1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: This is the Colts Free Agent Tracker, a look at 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: some key in house free agents this offseason in the 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. Here's the voice of 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: the Colts, Matt Taylor. U's fired up again. This is 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: our Free Agent Tracker podcast series here on Colts dot 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Com and the Colts Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor in 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: studio with Bill Brooks and Lara Overton, and today we're 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: talking all things Paris Campbell leading into NFL free agency 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: as that unfold starting on March the fifteenth. To this point, 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: we've talked about Ashton Dulan, Bobby o'kerk, Dennis Kelly, and 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: Matt Prior along the offensive line, Tae Kwon Lewis and 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Ben Manigou along the defensive line. But whenever we talk whiteouts, Lara, 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: we always have to welcome in the guy that's going 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: to bring the heat. Billy Brooks the Ring of Honor 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver for your Indianapolis Colts. Billy, you're ready to 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: go with Paris. I'm ready to go with Paris. I 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: like Paris. I'm ready to go. Question about it. Llo, 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: this guy, he had the breakdown on Ashton dolon so 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: he did such a good job on the first one 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, we had to bring him back. 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: So let's fire it up here with PC. This past season, 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Paris played in all seventeen games for the first time 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: in his career, compared to just fifteen games through his 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: first three years combine. We know the story there. Finished 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: his career or this past season, I should say, with 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: career highs across the board sixty three catches, six hundred 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: and twenty three yards, receiving three touchdowns, highlighted by a 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: thirty five yard game winning catch and touchdown against the 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders back in mid November. So Bill will 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: start with you, naturally, what did you make of campbell 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: season last year in terms of production and how he 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: was used throughout the course of the season. I think 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: last year Paris, coming in, especially from the three previous 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: years being injured, I thought he had a good season. 35 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought a young man that went through a lot, 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: not so much just physically. He went through a lot, 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: of course, unfortunate injuries that he'd had with a broken hand, 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: a broken foot, knee injury at one time, to another 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: broken foot in twenty and twenty one. Coming in last 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: year doing what he did getting over the hump. Mentally, 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: to me, it was more of a compliment for him 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: than just a physical aspect. So I thought he played well. 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: I thought he thought he did a good job, especially 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: run after the catch. I thought he did some nice 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: things and in regards for running after the catch once 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: he got the ball, especially as you talked about in 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: that Las Vegas Raiders game, he caught that one end 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: route and took it to the house touchdown. He was gone. 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: No one could catch him. He broke a tackle and 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: doing and catch him. So I thought he did a 51 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: nice job. And for him to have the confidence that 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: he did last year and show it and show up 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: in the games was tremendous for him. His consistency allowed 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: us to see so much of what we heard about 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: him coming out of Ohio State, namely that breakaway speed 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: that he was known for, and it was able to 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: finally be put on display a bit this season. And 58 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: he also was able to establish himself as more of 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: a consistent deep ball threat as well, which is a 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: great compliment to what you were getting over the course 61 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: of the season. From Michael Pittman Junior and from Alec 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: Pierce and you think about all of these things for 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: Paris and how successful this season was just purely in 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: the ability to stay healthy, be consistent, be available. And 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned his confidence. He was so candid. At the 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: end of the season. We had a pretty emotional conversation 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: at his locker and he said, I promised myself I 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: was going to start all seventeen games. I made that 69 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: promise to myself. He said, I never wanted anyone to 70 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: feel sorry for me. He never drew upon that from 71 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: what he's been through, but he said this meant a lot. 72 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: He took this whole season very personally. And imagine also 73 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: what Paris Campbell would have done if he wasn't rotating 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: through quarterbacks multiple times over the course of the season. 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: You think about he was able to be that type 76 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: of force, that type of factor within the offense, and 77 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: that was going back and forth between Matt Ryan to C. 78 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: M el Inger, back to Matt Ryan, back to C. 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: M el Inger, then to Nick Foles. You think about 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: all of those factors, Paris Campbell was your one consistent 81 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: in all of that. I have to ask you that, 82 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, put yourself in Paris ambule shoes. He talked 83 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: openly about that. At the end of the season, it 84 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: was tough. I mean every week you're seemingly being asked 85 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: to take on a different role or adjust to the 86 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: different quarterback that's out there. I mean, as a wide receiver, Bill, 87 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: how much does that matter? How much does that impact you? 88 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: It impacts you quite a bit. It manages a lot, 89 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: because when you have a quarterback that you've been working 90 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: with since training camp, Paris is working with Matt for 91 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: the most part during training ye like five weeks. Yeah, 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: ones and ones are working together, and you get accustomed 93 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: to that, and Past was getting accustomed to Matt, Matt 94 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: was getting accustomed to Paris. So you have a good 95 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: feel for one another when you're going out to the 96 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: games and you have a little a sense that, hey, 97 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, this is what he's thinking, So I need 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: to be here at this time, I need to do 99 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: run my route this way, and then then to go 100 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: back and forth as far as go from Matt to 101 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: Matt to Sam, Sam to Matt, Matt to Sam and 102 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: then go to Nick and whoever's playing back there. It 103 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: takes an adjustment and you don't actually feel as comfortable 104 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: as you do if you're working with one quarterback all 105 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: the time, So that's an adjustment and for him to 106 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: make that adjustment and actually play like there was no 107 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: change of quarterback. He just played kep on playing and 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: like Lara said, being very consistent. One of the most 109 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: consistent receivers we had this year going out there playing. 110 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: So give that young man a lot of credits. How 111 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: much more do you think we can see or get 112 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: out of Paris Campbell if he does come back in 113 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: free agency? I mean, what's his ceiling next year and 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: beyond compared to what he showed this past season. If 115 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: he does have quarterbacks stability, I think I think with 116 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks stability and what you saw this year from Paris, 117 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: I thought we got a taste of what he can do, 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: especially with his speed. As we talked about. One of 119 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: the plays I remember and against Washington was the wide 120 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: receiver screen that he caught on the sideline there made 121 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: a big play down the sideline, came the ball in 122 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: his hands in the open field and short passes and 123 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: as Laras said, using his speed, that four three speed 124 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: that he has and getting making big play. So I 125 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: think we could see a lot more of what Paris 126 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: can do, especially after him playing seventeen games. I'm having 127 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: the confidence now that he can go out there and 128 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: do it in the National Football League. I think you 129 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: can see more from Paris as he goes along. Yeah, Lara, 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: double back to something you said, how much of last 131 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: season for Paris Campbell. You talked about how free he 132 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: felt towards the end of the year, he was liberated 133 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and just was in a better headspace. How much of 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: last year proved that he's not the guy from the 135 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: first three years? Is the stigma over now with Paris 136 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: in terms of the injury label and all that it 137 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: certainly should be. I mean when you look at not 138 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: only the numbers that he put up, but also the 139 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: way that he approached the season, and he said, I 140 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: know what's being said about me. I know people think 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm made of glass and they say I'm injury prone. 142 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: And I get that there is that someone of a 143 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: stigma surrounding what my career has been. He owned every 144 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: bit of that and he drew motivation from all of that. 145 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: And so I think that's one thing is sometimes you 146 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: have guys who face the criticism and they hear it 147 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: and they almost build up more of a wall, right, 148 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: They become less and less accessible, right because they don't. 149 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: Paris did the opposite. It was almost like the more 150 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: criticism that there was, or kind of the more you know, 151 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: curiosity there was about him, he just said, okay, here, 152 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Yeah, absolutely, this is the point that 153 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: I was and to revisit something that I know we 154 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: talked about in game last season, Matt, but in case 155 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: people haven't been aware of it, there was a point 156 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: when Paris was coming back from his knee injury. Believed 157 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: that was in twenty twenty. They all do kind of 158 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: run together at some point, but it was when he 159 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: was coming back from his knee injury and he got 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: to a point in his rehab where he was not 161 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: seeing progress. He had this sticking point, Bill, I'm sure 162 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: you'd probably have felt that before, where you're on track 163 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and you're seeing this and you're seeing progress, then all 164 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you don't get to you don't check 165 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: that next box. And he went to the trainers and 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: he said, I'm not sure I can get past this. 167 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: This this could be the end of it. He thought, 168 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: not because he wanted to be done with football, but 169 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: purely because he didn't know if his body was going 170 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: to cooperate to allow him to get to the point 171 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: that he could play wide receiver in the National Football League. Again, 172 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: they shut the door. He sat down with a few 173 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: of the trainers. They had a very honest conversation, a 174 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: bit of a come to Jesus if you will, and 175 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: they talked through it for a really long time, and 176 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: so they were able to really hear him out, hear 177 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: where he was struggling, and then they were able to 178 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: come up with a plan for him. From there, they 179 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: had to go back, They had to take a few 180 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: steps back, revisit a few of the things that they'd 181 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: done earlier to be able to address that. And I 182 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: felt like for him to say all of those things 183 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: and to be that vulnerable was so important, not just 184 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: for all of us to be able to hear, because 185 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: he didn't know us any of that, but I really 186 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: felt like it was almost a cathartic thing for him 187 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: to really just open himself up to letting people into 188 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of what this journey has been. So 189 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't think there should be any hesitations about Paris 190 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Campbell's viability moving forward whatsoever, not only because of the 191 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: playmaker that he is, but also because of how important 192 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: he was this season to that locker room. He was 193 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: a steadying force over what was no lack of tumultuous season, 194 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, and thank goodness that didn't happen that way, right, 195 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: is his career continue to go on, he continued to 196 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: find a good headspace to you know, have the season 197 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: that he had this past season, and we'll see how 198 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: that translates into twenty twenty three, whether that's with the 199 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: Colts or somewhere else in the National Football League. But 200 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: since Hill you were on the topic of quarterback play, 201 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, just what would it be like to have 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: the same guy every week? What a novel concept, right, 203 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: But since the Colts are in a market or could 204 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: be in the market for a quarterback in the draft 205 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: picking number four overall here at the moment, what type 206 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: of quarterback potentially for next season best fits Paris Campbell 207 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: if he's on the roster. Well, I think when you're 208 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: looking at a quarterback anytime, looking at a quarterback mat 209 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: just with any pass Campbell or any receiver. You want 210 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: to quarterback that makes good decisions back there. First of all, 211 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: he has to make good decisions. And then second of all, 212 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: you want a quarterback that's going to be accurate, especially 213 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: with Paris Campbell going out there as far as throwing 214 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: the ball short intermediate routes, because I really believe getting 215 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: the ball, getting the ball in Paris Campbell's hands early 216 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: and letting him use his speed to break tackles, get 217 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: some yak yeah yards after the catch, I think is 218 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: a big plus for an offense. And I think so 219 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: if you have a quarterback that can, of course make 220 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: good decisions back there, get the ball into Paris's hands 221 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: when he's open, let him make some big play. I think, 222 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, but but I think there's people 223 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast right now screaming at their you know, 224 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: bluetooth speaker or in their car driving They'll say, well, 225 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: why haven't we done that already? Why why aren't we 226 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: doing that now? Well? Right, well, things happened, I mean, 227 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: and we thought in the past, we thought you were 228 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: going to get players that could do that, and you know, 229 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: unfortunately Paris has some unfortunate injuries that he wasn't available 230 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: the past three years before two and twenty two seasons. 231 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: So you know now that Paris is health healthy and 232 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: not knowing if he's gonna be back and not hopefully 233 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: if he is back. The quarterback that we need to get, 234 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: I think is someone that's gonna be accurate, make good 235 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: decisions back there. And of course you want a quarterback 236 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: that has a strong arm. They get the ball down 237 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: the field like you saw. I mean Nick Foles threw 238 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: it down to Paris and against the Giants, and you 239 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: made that catch down the middle of the field. I 240 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: don't know, forty yards or so. Sure. Yeah. And playmaking 241 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: ability too, Layer, I mean that's always thing. I mean 242 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: when the when the pocket is not perfect. I mean 243 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell is one of those guys that can turn 244 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: at that point, it's just backyard football like and create 245 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: a play for a playmaking quarterback like a Jalen Hurts 246 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: or Bryce Young or c. J. Strout or Will Levis. 247 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Depending on how the Colts want to play this and 248 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: how you know what route they want to go at 249 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. The next question I have for both 250 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: of you guys, Layer, I'll start with you. For me, 251 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, I think it's just it boils down to 252 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: between either, in my opinion, Paris Campbell or unique in 253 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: gock Way, depending on how you feel about either the 254 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: offensive priority or the defensive. But should Paris Campbell be 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: the highest prioritize, most coveted in house free agent for 256 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: the culture. I certainly think he should be up there. 257 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say, you know, one person 258 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: above any other, but I do. I think yes, he 259 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: should be given equal weight and equal consideration to anyone else, 260 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: is what I would say. Especially when you have an 261 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach walking in the door and you 262 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: look at the work that he's been able to do 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: with developing and utilizing a wealth of different weapons within 264 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: that Philadelphia Eagles offense, and what he was able to 265 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: do the last two years with the group that he had, 266 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: the group that he led there, it seems like that 267 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: that would be something for Shane steike In that would 268 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: be intriguing to want to not only have a playmaker 269 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: with the ability and the style of receiver that Paris 270 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: cambell is, but also because of the veteran leadership that 271 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: he brings, the studying force that he is, because you've 272 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: had Reggie Wayne As being almost that hybrid player coach 273 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: that that group really needed, because that group has had 274 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: such veteran leadership for so many years. When you had, 275 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, Reggie passing the torch to t Why and 276 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: then t Why passing that off to kind of a 277 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: combination of Michael Pittman and Paris Campbell, I would say, 278 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: as being the elder statesman of that group. And we 279 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: did see Michael Pittman grow into a more vocal leader, 280 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: more of a presence in a leadership role within that group. 281 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: But I think those two guys work really well in 282 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: compliment to each other, and you have a lot of 283 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: really young weapons within that group. Alec Pierce has a 284 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: lot of growing to do. He had some flashes, I mean, 285 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: incredible moments in his rookie season, but you know, he's 286 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: highly motivated to be able to grow. So I think 287 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: that the experience that some of the older guys can 288 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: bring to that group is going to be really important, 289 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: especially should you have a rookie quarterback who's gonna need 290 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: to lead on lean on this supporting cast arounding him. 291 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: That supporting cast of receivers, tight ends running backs, offensive line. 292 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: If you have good veteran presence in each of the 293 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: those areas, that can be a huge asset to the 294 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: development of a rookie quarterback. If that is the direction 295 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: that they're going in twenty three. I agree if you 296 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: have some veteran receivers out there that hey, no, this 297 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: is what this is how we look at it. This 298 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: is how we see the defense being run. This is 299 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: how we see the defensive back playing us. These are 300 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: the things that we can do. And if you have 301 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: veteran leadership at wide receiver, that can help a young 302 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: quarterback as it comes into the league and get get 303 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: him kind of situated and makes it feel a little 304 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: bit about all that responsibility that young QB potentially is 305 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna have. Exactly, he's gonna have to worry about the 306 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: defensive line front, he's gonna have to worry about the 307 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: sliding of the offensive line. Where are they going to 308 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: be where? I'm just talking like where's the cafeteria? All 309 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: that stuff. I agree, I agree he's gonna need a 310 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: lot of help, but having some veteran leadership out there 311 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: is going to help him tremendously, especially just get an 312 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: acclimated and adjusted to the National Football League veteran wide 313 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: receivers out there. You have Michael Pittman and you have 314 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: Paris coming back. That's going to help this young guy grow. 315 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And that's what you want, you want someone some players 316 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: out there that's going to help the young guy grow 317 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: and get better each week, weekend and week out. And 318 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: if you have that, that's gonna make the guy that 319 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: much better. And also it's gonna make the receivers that 320 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, it's Bill Brooks and Lara Overton. We're 321 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: breaking down Paris Campbell. Lastly, for both of you, it's 322 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: always a slippery slope when you try to predict the 323 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: free agent market. And yeah, you know the values of 324 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: other players on other teams and so on and so forth. 325 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: But Lara, how much demand do you think there's gonna 326 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: be for a healthy, now Paris Campbell, who's in a 327 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: good space both mentally and physical. I think there could 328 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: be quite a bit of demand. I was looking at 329 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: a few of the different notable, you know, wide receivers 330 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: out there, and there are some good, intriguing names who 331 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: are going to be available on the free agent market 332 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of teams are going to pursue. And 333 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, we saw teams last offseason spend heavily in 334 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: the free agent market. One thing I'm really curious about 335 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: is how aggressively does Frank Reich try to convince the 336 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Panthers to pursue Paris Campbell the same thing. I agree. 337 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one when you look at a team 338 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: that needs that type of help within their offense. That's 339 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: and it would be an intriguing spot where I'm thinking 340 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: of all of those because Paris doesn't have some of 341 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: the clout and the name recognition that a lot of 342 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: these other receivers do, maybe hasn't had the consistency season 343 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: over season as some of the others do. I believe 344 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Judu Smith, Schuster, you know, on that list of free 345 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: agents this years, Jacoby Myers, a couple of different guys 346 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: up there. So it makes sense that, you know, if 347 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Frank has a vision for building an offense, that could 348 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: be a pivotal piece to what you're growing and you're 349 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: building in that organization. So I think you might, you know, 350 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: have a little bit of competition for number one. I 351 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: agree with you, I think so. I think if you remember, 352 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Frank was very high on Paris coming in. He really 353 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: liked Paris. If you want to use Paris in different ways, 354 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: you still remember that fist bomp in those high fives exactly. 355 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So He's very high in Paris, 356 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: very like Paris a lot. And as Lara said, it said, 357 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: if you can bring someone that knows your system, understands 358 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: your system, bring him in there to help get that 359 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: system jump started. Paris could be that guy for them, 360 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: especially in the passing game. So someone that, hey, he 361 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: knows what Frank's looking for, he knows what he knows 362 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: what Frank wants out of a wide receiver and out 363 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: of the offense. So he can be that guy. And 364 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: I think outside of Carolina, I think there will be 365 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: some other teams interested in Paris. I think, I really 366 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: think so, because now they see that he can play 367 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: seventeen games, they see what you can do. And when 368 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: you have that type of speed, and Lara, you know, 369 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: there's you can't coach speed in the National Football League. 370 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: You can't coach that. You can't find that everywhere in 371 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: the National Football League. So someone that has that speed, 372 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: they can use Paris in a variety of ways to 373 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: get him some explosive plays and get their offense some 374 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: explosive plays. So I think Paris will get some interests 375 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: from other teams. It's good stuff right there. That's the breakdown. 376 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, the focus and subject of this Free Agent 377 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Tracker podcast with Bill Brooks Lara Overton. I'm Matt Taylor 378 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: in studio. We'll do it again next week. Next week 379 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: we're going defensive secondary Brandon Facon and Roddy McLeod in 380 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: one vignette, and then we're going special teams Matt Hawk 381 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: and Chase McLoughlin. Those two guys on special teams, they 382 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: are set to hit free agency as well. So again 383 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: for Bill and Lara, I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for listening 384 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: to the Free Agent Tracker Podcast. More to come as 385 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 1: we inched closer and closer to mid March and the 386 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: start of NFL free agency in the NFL New League year. 387 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: Come back next week for more Free Agent Tracker podcasts. 388 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: You're on the Colts Audio Network.