Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, sixteen, episode four.
Speaker 2: Of der Nilly's gay production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, December seventh, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, twelve seven two three good.
Speaker 2: What could that be? Oh, that's right. It's Pearl Harbor
Speaker 2: Remembrance Day, a day that will live in infamil also
Speaker 2: International Civil Aviation Day, National Cotton Candy Day, National Slime Day,
Speaker 2: National Illinois Day. Shout out Justin and my family, the
Speaker 2: Grays in Illinois. And also and our guest today, yes,
Speaker 2: y yeah, making that Illinois getting illinoisy in here makes yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it is today the first night of hanuku
Speaker 2: to I'm men just check because you know, everybody is
Speaker 2: on their own calendar. Where the fuck is it? See,
Speaker 2: this is how I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 1: I'ma find it calendars anti sis Yeah, the Google search
Speaker 1: is anti sament.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was taking this long. It was taking this long anyway. No,
Speaker 2: and also the first so we got all that happened. Wow,
Speaker 2: one day, everyone fantastic, amazing. What was the other what
Speaker 2: was the other thing? Pearl Harbor Illinois, Illinois, Illinois, Illinois.
Speaker 2: That's the one. Yeah, all right, well my name is
Speaker 2: something to say was the one I was for some reason,
Speaker 2: I was searching what day Easter is this year? Because wait, what.
Speaker 1: This is?
Speaker 2: This is just like dad ship, like I was. I
Speaker 2: was taught. My kids are asking what day Easter was
Speaker 2: this year, and it seemed especially early. It's like March
Speaker 2: thirty first this year, which seems seems too early to me. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm not something he.
Speaker 4: Could do his Hanka party and then just knock out
Speaker 4: Easter with the sand and I got put up the decorations.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well because like that, those those roaming holidays where like
Speaker 1: the you know, the date is not the same every year, can.
Speaker 2: Really throw you for a loop some easy, you know.
Speaker 1: Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Jojo. Found a
Speaker 1: bone and thought it was a femur. Doctor said it's
Speaker 1: much too tall, pointed out the little round bits at
Speaker 1: the bottom, said it must be giants balls, giant sack,
Speaker 1: giant sack, giant sack. That ain't no dino bone. That
Speaker 1: is courtesy of Blinky Heck.
Speaker 2: Get back the beetles.
Speaker 1: Get back to where we were in archaeology when we
Speaker 1: thought dinosaur bones were testicles. I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host mister Miles gram Well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mouthful, just a delicious word. There's two words to say,
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Speaker 1: Well done, Miles, well done Angrist, and I believe we
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Speaker 2: That yeah, he had a way with fake name. I
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Speaker 1: My Yeah, we are thrilled to be joined by one
Speaker 1: of the best podcasts hosts doing it anywhere. My old
Speaker 1: friend from the Correct Day is a Jeopardy champion, the
Speaker 1: host of the Wonderful podcast secretly incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's Ali, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4: And there's an Illinois day. I had no idea. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we had several weird holidays in Illinois, but I didn't
Speaker 4: know there was one for the state.
Speaker 2: Wait, there's weird. Wait what other weird holidays are there?
Speaker 4: They'll have weird Yes, maybe I shouldn't call it weird.
Speaker 4: But there's one called Kashmir Pulaski Day that is a
Speaker 4: sort of Polish American holiday specific to the Chicago area
Speaker 4: because there was huge in cration from Poland. But it's
Speaker 4: a revolutionary war hero and that would just be a
Speaker 4: day off from school. Sometimes sometimes you would get a
Speaker 4: day and march off and it's Kashmir Polaski Day.
Speaker 2: Oh shoot, okay, I love a state specific day off.
Speaker 2: That's mess true, since they have Patriots Day, I believe
Speaker 2: or like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the day of the marathon. So that
Speaker 1: that's yeah, like a little local holiday.
Speaker 2: I don't think we I don't think we have one
Speaker 2: in California.
Speaker 1: California. Yeah, No, I don't think so. No, you just
Speaker 1: get to live in California exactly.
Speaker 4: California is just confidently really cool all the time. Are like,
Speaker 4: have you heard of Kashmir Pulaski?
Speaker 2: And then here I met in California. I'm like, go
Speaker 2: on about Kasimir Pulaski. Yeah, I know none of his exploits.
Speaker 1: We were talking about days off, like unofficial days off
Speaker 1: before we started recording that, like when we would get
Speaker 1: to when our parents would like approve, like let us
Speaker 1: take a day off school. They're truly nothing better.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it feels like you're like a hostage
Speaker 2: negotiator and you've like pulled off the greatest deal. Like
Speaker 2: especially like in my house, never I tried to fake illness.
Speaker 2: My mom was onto my shit. I only did it
Speaker 2: like twice successfully in my whole life. Is when I
Speaker 2: put hot water from the kettle in my mouth and
Speaker 2: then put the fucking thermometer in so it looked like
Speaker 2: I had a fever even though my head didn't have
Speaker 2: a fever. Yeah, it sounds so painful. Well, I let
Speaker 2: it cool down like I was getting boiling water. Although
Speaker 2: the first time I put it in I fucked up
Speaker 2: and didn't let it cool it so my mom checked
Speaker 2: the first time I tried it, it said I had
Speaker 2: a fever of one hundred and twenty. She's like, well,
Speaker 2: She's like, so you're going to be dead, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm joking. Was like, no, we gotta cut you. We
Speaker 2: got you need surgery. And then the one time I
Speaker 2: got off was when I think I was telling you,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was telling you. Hdeo Nomo threw a
Speaker 2: no hitter for the Dodgers against the Rockies. My mom,
Speaker 2: I was like, can I go to school the next day?
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, yeah, this this feels right, this feels right. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's amazing. I think that's why I have such an affinity.
Speaker 1: So the Double A Tournament, the first two rounds of
Speaker 1: the n C Double A Tournament, I would my dad
Speaker 1: would occasionally take me out of school if there was
Speaker 1: like a couple.
Speaker 2: Of games nearby.
Speaker 1: We would drive and watch those, and those are some
Speaker 1: of the best.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I had any recurring ones,
Speaker 4: but I know that my dad would get taken out
Speaker 4: of school by his uncle for like a sick day thing.
Speaker 4: And then the little family joke was that the cure
Speaker 4: were braught worse at the White Sax Stadium, and so
Speaker 4: they would just take a tax game. Oh yeah, really
Speaker 4: that feels like that almost brought I love that story.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's not happening though. Yeah, He's like
Speaker 2: your healthy ideas. Yeah, we're not going to Komiski fam.
Speaker 2: So once you sit down.
Speaker 4: And study your books, it's truly Illinois Day. I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you had your own state wide holiday.
Speaker 1: I think our parents were just trying to make up
Speaker 1: for the fact that we didn't have those.
Speaker 2: Oh my my father in law he had He has
Speaker 2: a friend who he's been doing this for like fifty
Speaker 2: years or something, where it was called Dentist Day and
Speaker 2: you tell all your friends who have like jobs and stuff,
Speaker 2: be like, Y'll just call in a you got a
Speaker 2: dental appointment and come through to my house because I'm
Speaker 2: having a fucking party. And like, so people would come
Speaker 2: throughout the day basically all using the same excuse of
Speaker 2: like dental appointment to go to the party at this
Speaker 2: person's house. And I was like, that's fucking smart. They're
Speaker 2: like we all use the same bullshit excuse at the
Speaker 2: same damn time.
Speaker 1: Wow, so yeah, yeah, traditionally, hope you're not like blowing
Speaker 1: up anyone's spot right now.
Speaker 2: No, not, they're all we were all retired, they're not. Yeah, right, guy.
Speaker 1: Who always goes to the dentist the same day every
Speaker 1: year and then comes in hungover the next day, maybe that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: wearing the same thing from two days prior. All right, Alex,
Speaker 1: we're thrilled to have you here. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. There's a new kind of run of articles
Speaker 1: about like just kind of imagining, in the very realistic
Speaker 1: scenario where Trump wins the second term, what that second
Speaker 1: term would look like.
Speaker 2: And like there's.
Speaker 1: There's one Washington Post article that was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like nobody'd be able to stop him. He'd just be
Speaker 1: president for life. I'm like, that's not the.
Speaker 2: Rules, right, Like that can't be.
Speaker 1: But it was this conservative commentator who was writing the
Speaker 1: Washington Post. It was just like, yeah, we should stop
Speaker 1: pretending like this isn't happening. He's going to be the
Speaker 1: president for the rest of your natural life until he's dead.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that and what Trump is saying
Speaker 1: about it, because he seems like he's on board. Idy surprisingly,
Speaker 1: and we have our Time magazine person of the Year
Speaker 1: who the labor right, Yeah, no, organized labor.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, oh my no, well maybe disorganized labor.
Speaker 2: How many paper is that gonna sell?
Speaker 1: Hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, they went Taylor.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about this is like the first
Speaker 1: entertainer I think they've ever given it to other Like
Speaker 1: Lindberg was the first one, and I think in retrospect
Speaker 1: that was probably like more of a pop culture phenomenon
Speaker 1: than anything, Like he was just like a hot guy
Speaker 1: who flew a plane, but people were obsessed with planes
Speaker 1: and they were like, wave with the future, pal this
Speaker 1: this guy's the man. But yeah, like there's no singers
Speaker 1: who have won this before. It's pretty wild. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that before we get to any of it, Alex,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guest, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history?
Speaker 4: The actual most recent thing, which was surprising because I'm
Speaker 4: always googling stuff and researching for my podcast, But the
Speaker 4: actual most recent thing was just Red Pandas because we
Speaker 4: went to the zoo recently saw mcgaddin. They're fantastic. They're
Speaker 4: just really good right in your day. Go see a
Speaker 4: red panda online and in person if you can.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: What's the Are they big? They're smaller, right, red pans.
Speaker 2: They're like weight, They're way smaller than like normal panda
Speaker 2: or traditional bears. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They they're basically called pandas because they eat bamboo and
Speaker 4: part of their habitat is modern China and otherwise they're
Speaker 4: more related to raccoons and weasels and stuff, so they're
Speaker 4: a smaller size and they're absolutely adorable there. It's very
Speaker 4: fun to watch them move and climb and somehow their
Speaker 4: first tasts perfect all of the time. It's a great animal,
Speaker 4: really into it.
Speaker 2: I always just feel like I see that that Like
Speaker 2: there's that one video of the red pandas like going
Speaker 2: like this to each other. It is an audio. Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: they like they like greet each other like by raising
Speaker 2: like getting on their hind legs and then raising their
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm looking at it like hey, and I'm
Speaker 2: like little are they dangerous? Because like every time I
Speaker 2: see them, my girl, that's a pet right there? I
Speaker 2: mean obviously, morality aside I'm like, that would be a
Speaker 2: fucking dope, fucking Petrea. I'm gonna wife that animal's white
Speaker 2: material right there? What are you saying? I mean, just
Speaker 2: in a French of way.
Speaker 1: The greeting looks like they've heard the thing that you're
Speaker 1: like supposed to do when you see a bear a bear,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to like make yourself big, right, Like they
Speaker 1: heard that. When they see each other, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: as big as possible.
Speaker 4: Oh man, yeah, I don't I don't know if that's
Speaker 4: too simple of but it's just awesome. And and then uh,
Speaker 4: I also heard that giant pandas are getting taken out
Speaker 4: of US ZEUS or have been taken out because of
Speaker 4: relations with the country of China. So red pandas are
Speaker 4: the most exciting zoo panda right now in our country?
Speaker 2: Are are the big like the great pandas? Are those
Speaker 2: like on lease?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They're technically still either Chinese property or citizens or I
Speaker 4: don't know how the laws work exactly, but they're always
Speaker 4: being borrowed when they're in the US. Yeah right, they
Speaker 4: never take them back right right right. Wow, See that's
Speaker 4: called leverage. Right there, They're like, oh, you want to
Speaker 4: fuck around with semiconductors. Probably taken our pandas.
Speaker 1: Yes, we possess the list animals.
Speaker 2: Oh but does red panda? Somebody let me know. Can
Speaker 2: you kick it with a red panda and not be
Speaker 2: worried about like it ripping your face off a ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The movie Turning Red was somewhat misleading, I will say, because.
Speaker 2: In what what did you take from it? Exactly?
Speaker 1: That you're going to fly to the real world that
Speaker 1: I could turn into party isn't real, folks, doesn't exist?
Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't. It's giant though.
Speaker 1: The red panda is in that she she turns into
Speaker 1: a red panda that is the size of a giant panda, right, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, red pandas like a fox or a medium sized
Speaker 4: dog size.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty pretty chill.
Speaker 1: So I saw these at a zoo in West Virginia
Speaker 1: and they are absolutely adorable. Out your background. You have
Speaker 1: a zoo background, right, you've worked at zoo's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at a zoom call. I was like, that looks
Speaker 2: like a normal bedroom you have zoo? Why do I
Speaker 2: do what you say? Animals? Yeah? I was.
Speaker 4: I was a zoo tour guide at Brookfield Zoo outside
Speaker 4: of Chicago. Illinois Day. We're keeping it going. And I
Speaker 4: loved that. When I was four, I wanted to do it,
Speaker 4: and then when I was eighteen I got to. And yes,
Speaker 4: and I love going to zoos, especially around Thanksgiving because
Speaker 4: they're open every day usually because zoos know they have
Speaker 4: to feed the animals and care for the animals anyway,
Speaker 4: so they're often open almost all the days of the
Speaker 4: year because like why not sell tickets? Yeah, yeah, great
Speaker 4: holiday thing.
Speaker 2: Why now. I feel like I know a lot of
Speaker 2: like parents with younger kids in LA They're all like, oh,
Speaker 2: you got the zoo pass, like we got the annually,
Speaker 2: like we go win. We just pull up whenever to
Speaker 2: the La Zoo and my recollect I'm going to the
Speaker 2: La Zoo in like fifteen years. I'm like, yo, you've
Speaker 2: been the fuck the La Zoo that fucking place. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's cool now.
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm with them. It's good And yeah. I
Speaker 4: was just brought to the Brookfield Zoo as a kid
Speaker 4: to make myself run. Yeah, like like go run around
Speaker 4: with your brother and get tired.
Speaker 2: It was great. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then they turn around and you're like in the enclosure, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, zoos.
Speaker 1: I've been told like that there are some unexpectedly good zoos,
Speaker 1: like that the Fresno Zoo is really good in cool
Speaker 1: the southern California area, Like the La Zoo doesn't have
Speaker 1: a great reputation in LA. Like you don't hear a
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about it outside of LA. But
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. It isn't a little bit
Speaker 1: of disrepair. Like you can tell that a lot of
Speaker 1: the like buildings for for the humans were built in
Speaker 1: like the eighties and nineties, you know, like the stores,
Speaker 1: the motifs that they've selected or kind of eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties era.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just go check out your local, your local zoo.
Speaker 2: I mean also, I don't know Fresno colin Fresnel, so
Speaker 2: cow is a bit of a stretch because isn't like
Speaker 2: that dry Okay, I mean maybe like in the big
Speaker 2: maybe in the larger scheme of things, but I think
Speaker 2: a fresdent. I'm like, oh, that's we're about to be
Speaker 2: in the Bay area. Well, Alex, what something you think
Speaker 2: is overrated?
Speaker 4: The guy Napoleon Way guy, awful guy that guy and
Speaker 4: I saw the movie yesterday. The movie I think really
Speaker 4: doesn't like him, and I really appreciate that about the movie.
Speaker 4: They make it like a weird jerk who no one
Speaker 4: should like all of the time. It's great.
Speaker 1: Wait, so what what is your beef with Napoleon? Because
Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty good friends with him.
Speaker 2: Oh what's your famige? Bro? Yeah? Like what's your fucking problem?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they like moderating the discord and everyone's very mad
Speaker 4: at made typing right now. He is famous, but mainly
Speaker 4: for being a general and he basically just got like
Speaker 4: everyone in Europe killed for about fifteen years for his
Speaker 4: own personal gain, Like he didn't really have goals beyond
Speaker 4: being an emperor, and he kind of ruined the best
Speaker 4: parts of the French Revolution. He was a horrible guy personally.
Speaker 4: He institute at slavery in France after the revolution abolished it,
Speaker 4: like he should not have any good reputation at all.
Speaker 4: And the movie just treats him like he's a weird
Speaker 4: guy who's bad. So that's very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The Joaquin Special, Yeah, I weird recommend it seeing it
Speaker 4: just to see how weird it is. It's not a
Speaker 4: good movie, but it's a lot of just him shuffling
Speaker 4: around being unpleasant and also having a fully American accent.
Speaker 4: I assume French people are really upset about this movie.
Speaker 4: It's not a good Napoleon depiction.
Speaker 1: Mmm, like does he like fully American?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Does he have a regional accent? Do they go like
Speaker 1: bronks with it?
Speaker 2: Or is it just.
Speaker 1: Speaking TV English?
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm invading?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah, sure, fucking talking to Napoleon right now?
Speaker 2: Dog, Yo, you know you're speaking to him, bro, because
Speaker 2: I'll I'll go get him. He's about the head over
Speaker 2: to Corsica, Bro for his exile. I'll do that shit
Speaker 2: right now. Did he have though? He had?
Speaker 4: I think more than twenty mistresses is the estimation, and
Speaker 4: probably picked it up.
Speaker 2: I just always thought that was like a weird like
Speaker 2: historical myth or I didn't know if it was true,
Speaker 2: but I always for some reason people like, yo, he
Speaker 2: have syphilist was the thing I've heard about Napoleon. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that could just be based on bad rumors that have
Speaker 2: lasted for centuries.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, we just turned him into like an angry
Speaker 1: short cartoon character, like that's just how history worked. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like picture Danny DeVito trying to get Shorty, but
Speaker 1: like more more angry and that's who he is. But
Speaker 1: it feels like he's the first leader that is like
Speaker 1: similar to the leaders we had, Like just a narcissist
Speaker 1: like that, that is what was driving the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He was like I he guys heard about those narcissism shit.
Speaker 1: This shit goes hard. This is a great way to
Speaker 1: go through life. And everyone just was unprepared for it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I read the long biography of him last
Speaker 4: year and the like. Even people in France were kind
Speaker 4: of unprepared for him because he was very from Corsica,
Speaker 4: which a lot of French people thought was like separate
Speaker 4: and different, and they even thought he had a weird
Speaker 4: regional accent from Corsica. Like people would talk about how
Speaker 4: he spoke funny from a French perspective, and yeah, I
Speaker 4: think he just decided he was going to be the
Speaker 4: military dictator of the Earth and that's not like a
Speaker 4: great goal. I think heroes should have better goals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here those bad ideas to have like inceptioned in
Speaker 1: your brain that you can't shake. Yeah, Like God, I
Speaker 1: just can't get rid of this notion that everybody should
Speaker 1: be bowing to me in the whole world yeah, oh
Speaker 1: that's not good for anybody. Man, Well let me finish
Speaker 1: under the thread of death.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I've been saying man works, man child, Ridley Scott
Speaker 1: though he's he's just on a on a heater of
Speaker 1: of like making highly watchable not good movies. Let's like
Speaker 1: where he's at. That House of Gucci thing, was like
Speaker 1: what a great time at the movies and you just
Speaker 1: like walk away and you're like, man, that wasn't good.
Speaker 2: What the fuck was that?
Speaker 1: But like what a blast? Yeah, I like, I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 1: I'm always yeah, I always come with people are like
Speaker 1: it's not good, but like you should definitely go see it.
Speaker 1: And that was like definitely my review of the House
Speaker 1: of Gucci too. It's like, not not a good movie,
Speaker 1: but check it out, check better you better go. It's
Speaker 1: gonna make time disappear and stick with you in weird ways.
Speaker 2: Didn't he also do a Columbus movie with Gerard dep
Speaker 2: Pard That fourteen eighty two film was at him or
Speaker 2: did he write rhythm? He Oh yeah, he directed it. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: So he's on a fucking tear of being like yelling
Speaker 2: this guy fucking He was just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: the new world for everybody. Man complicated, really weird guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this movie made me reappreciate Gladiator, where he could
Speaker 4: just make up an exciting guy. Have to like to
Speaker 4: pick the guy who's horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Gladiator of Syphilis. Though you you asked that
Speaker 1: like a gotcha question when you ask me, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I did it. I did it as if everything
Speaker 2: I said that was preceding it was meaningless, because there
Speaker 2: was mainly just to get to the part that's what
Speaker 2: now that I read it, they were suspecting that's what
Speaker 2: was what led to his death potentially, like the symptoms
Speaker 2: that he was displaying there, like plus his you know,
Speaker 2: his habits of having many partners like yeah, you may
Speaker 2: have been that took him down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like devolving towards the end, supposedly
Speaker 1: like making bad military decisions that could also just be
Speaker 1: power and being fame famous, being fame.
Speaker 2: What Alex is something you think underrated?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a candy tip. There is an amazing
Speaker 4: candy in Canada called Coffee Crisp, and it's very good
Speaker 4: and I would really like to order some. I will
Speaker 4: probably get some later it's apparently hard to get in
Speaker 4: the US. Wikipedia wrongly told me it's at Wegmans. It's
Speaker 4: not at Wegmans. But anyway, Coffee Crisp. It's a candy bar.
Speaker 2: It's really good and I'm guessing it tastes like peanuts.
Speaker 4: It is. We have a friend in Canada. They drove
Speaker 4: down a while ago and like brought us some just
Speaker 4: basically gas station candy, and this thing blew my mind.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: It's a vanilla wafer like cookie and then soft coffee
Speaker 4: flavored candy filling in the wafer, and then coated and chocolate,
Speaker 4: so vanilla chocolate coffee altogether. It's just amazing. And you
Speaker 4: can get it for like a nickel in Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, you can get a thirty pack on Amazon, but
Speaker 1: the page is titled Nestle Coffin Crisp Coffee by that.
Speaker 2: Don't buy that. I would stick steer clear of that.
Speaker 2: I probably just yeah, hopefully one of your listeners or
Speaker 2: our listeners, can you know, just can traffic it down
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love something. It's great. It's like it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: There's not enough coffee flavored candy that's like normally available
Speaker 4: there's fancy kinds, but you can't just like get that.
Speaker 2: I just I love the slogan on this box of
Speaker 2: like the twenty four pack of coffee Crisp. It just says,
Speaker 2: coffee Crisp makes a nice light snack. I think so
Speaker 2: used to like American marketing. That's like, you fucking die
Speaker 2: if you don't need seven of these assholes. Like it's like,
Speaker 2: d this makes a nice light snack coffee Crispright.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or like a paragraph about like our corporate philosophy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one's just like from the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a crisp light snack for you. Oh so you're
Speaker 2: a Are you a coffee ice cream fan, Alex? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 2: so you like do you? And are you a regular
Speaker 2: coffee drinker? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay yeah, wow, okay take it.
Speaker 4: And really all like bitter flavors of stuff I'm pretty
Speaker 4: into too, especially as I've I've aged a little bit,
Speaker 4: Like when you're a little kid, you just want to
Speaker 4: catch up on everything, But now I like bitter, weird,
Speaker 4: dark flavors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all our tastes are childish compared to yours,
Speaker 2: is what you're saying. You like to talk about food
Speaker 2: because you just like to chew some aspirin tablets. You're
Speaker 2: more grown up than us. I get star and Nis
Speaker 2: just the actual plant, and I just chew on that
Speaker 2: all day, very very delicious, awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just reading a review of Barber Streisand's thousand
Speaker 1: page biography or memoir, and they were talking about her
Speaker 1: being like this huge coffee ice cream fan, and that's
Speaker 1: just it's like one of those things that they're just
Speaker 1: people who are like, yeah, no, why would you ever
Speaker 1: have anything else besides coffee flavored stuff? Like that's how
Speaker 1: my mom is too, Like it's just like, yeah, loves
Speaker 1: coffee ice cream, and I just don't see it. It's
Speaker 1: like such a specific thing that I just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not like it's not for me, I guess,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Barber Streisand's like, I'm just happy to eat
Speaker 1: coffee ice cream until I die after I finish this memoir,
Speaker 1: just like I'm.
Speaker 2: Out, baby, I'm out, and that after that going to
Speaker 2: my McDonald's downstairs. Fuck with me exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, We're back, And yeah, it seems like
Speaker 1: people are starting to come to terms with the possibility
Speaker 1: of a second Trump term.
Speaker 2: In their own ways.
Speaker 1: There's been a number of articles about the possibility of
Speaker 1: Trump's becoming president again and becoming a dictator. Yeah Napoleon
Speaker 1: style lady with syphilis, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I feel like a lot of the
Speaker 2: there are a lot of there've been just I think
Speaker 2: for the last year, I think I mean since he
Speaker 2: left office, people were like, wait till this guy comes back,
Speaker 2: like he's he's he's a raptor testing the fences, and
Speaker 2: he's the next time he goes for he's probably gonna
Speaker 2: do it better than the last time. And we've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of these quotes and like headlines, which I
Speaker 2: think half are intended for, like to help like people
Speaker 2: understand like what's at stake if you don't support Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: But then the other half is also, dude, it's like
Speaker 2: this is actually kind of serious and like what does
Speaker 2: anyone care? Maybe this is happening, or the way we
Speaker 2: report on presidential races have been like who's gonna win
Speaker 2: rather than like, uh, what's this guy saying? So there
Speaker 2: have been quotes from his allies that suggests he's like, yo,
Speaker 2: he ain't leave it. Like if he gets in, he
Speaker 2: ain't leave it. I mean he might if something might
Speaker 2: happen that would eventually oust you know, oust him, But
Speaker 2: in his mind, if he's there, he's holding onto that
Speaker 2: thing for dear life. He also has a website that's
Speaker 2: like literally we've talked about this project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: It's like literally outlining his plan to destroy the federal government,
Speaker 2: and it's put together by like very smart lawyers and
Speaker 2: like people who understand like how to potentially dismantle like
Speaker 2: the bureaucracy is in a way that benefit Trump and
Speaker 2: installing maga flunkeys, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he's not going if he wins this time,
Speaker 1: he's not going to the White House like with a
Speaker 1: look like he just saw a ghost on his face,
Speaker 1: like the first time, remember that like first ship to
Speaker 1: the White House where he's like, oh, what have I done?
Speaker 1: Like now he's going with like fucking armed guards ready
Speaker 1: to just like take Biden to the Hague or yeah
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: But then they're like they're like, actually, Donald, while you're here,
Speaker 2: why don't you have a seat two. Yeah, because we
Speaker 2: got you here at the Hague. Yeah, yeah, you got
Speaker 2: any any other former presidents with you? Oh all right,
Speaker 2: that'll do. That'll do. But yeah, it's clear that like
Speaker 2: all the warning sirens coming out of the media has,
Speaker 2: from the perspective of the right, created like a narrative
Speaker 2: for them to push back on, to be like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: they're like they're doing the thing where they're gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna alert the voting populace about how dangerous Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is and we need to kind of like maybe push
Speaker 2: back on that. JD. Vance was saying, you know, people
Speaker 2: need to take a chill pill, because like all this
Speaker 2: stuff is just worrying. It's just for no reason. That's
Speaker 2: not what's going on. Others are just very dismissive and
Speaker 2: laughing off the idea that Trump wants to become some
Speaker 2: kind of dictator, and that seems to be the tactic
Speaker 2: like with this second campaign, as it relates to like
Speaker 2: these very autocratic goals of his, is to treat the
Speaker 2: media's you know, reaction to his plans as these like
Speaker 2: lib freakouts, so his supporters and others that aren't that
Speaker 2: engaged can just mark it as like it's like the
Speaker 2: media overreacting. Again. I mean, look what he was, He
Speaker 2: that bad? I don't know. But meanwhile, there are many
Speaker 2: people who are completely unaware, you know too, There's like
Speaker 2: there's a huge part of the like voters who like
Speaker 2: when it comes to November of twenty twenty four, they'll
Speaker 2: do what they do. Others might not even be motivated
Speaker 2: to vote. But that's where like we're seeing him or
Speaker 2: the party sort of play into the thing of like
Speaker 2: out loud saying these dark things and like allowing it
Speaker 2: to be in the Washington Post or New York Times.
Speaker 2: But those people ain't reading that shit. So it's just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're all good. We're all good. But meanwhile, his like
Speaker 2: public statements make it very clear what his plans are,
Speaker 2: which is like revenge by any means. When he said
Speaker 2: like the vermin that he's gonna fucking seek out and
Speaker 2: you know, we finally get revenge on And this doesn't
Speaker 2: affect the support at all with his supporters. They all
Speaker 2: want in on the revenge tour. Yeah, but yeah, like
Speaker 2: so the the reason like I like I'm bringing this
Speaker 2: up though, is because like he's there was a Handity
Speaker 2: town hall that happened recently, and clearly Handity knew that
Speaker 2: like all this talk about how Trump's going to be
Speaker 2: a dictators, like, don't scare the fucking voters, Like, let's
Speaker 2: maybe like back off off that a little bit. He
Speaker 2: tried to change the optics by giving him some softball questions.
Speaker 2: And this was Trump like, just so you know, this
Speaker 2: is Hannity. He's like earlier in this event, he was like,
Speaker 2: and you're not going to like abuse your power, right,
Speaker 2: like this very unequivocally, and then tell me like what
Speaker 2: like they're doing now? And that's what He's like, Oh fuck,
Speaker 2: that's not that's not the answer we need. So here
Speaker 2: is his second go round of trying to get Trump
Speaker 2: to say, yeah, like you're not like gonna like fucking
Speaker 2: be a dictator anything. Right. You almost have to go
Speaker 2: to a break. I want to go back to this one.
Speaker 7: Issue though, because the media has been focused on this
Speaker 7: and attacking you.
Speaker 2: Under no circumstances. You are promising America tonight, you would never.
Speaker 3: Abuse power as retribution against anybody.
Speaker 4: Except for day one except what he's going pressing, except
Speaker 4: for day one, meaning.
Speaker 1: He's going I want to close the border, and I
Speaker 1: want to drill.
Speaker 2: That's not that's that's not that's not retribution.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be, you know, he keeps I love this guy.
Speaker 2: He says, you're not going to be a dictator.
Speaker 6: I said no, no, no other than day one.
Speaker 2: But he's trying to be. It's like part of him
Speaker 2: wants to be, like to wink at the things like
Speaker 2: you know what's coming, mushroom, Mussolini, baby, load up. Or
Speaker 2: he's also kind of like in this thing, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: by closing the border and drilling and maybe throwing my
Speaker 2: enemies in prison, maybe that's the party's not saying out loud,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's very interesting, is under those drills. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: I have not heard a lot of clips of like
Speaker 4: Sean Hannity doing stuff, and when it is, it's usually
Speaker 4: him like fighting with somebody. It's really sweet to hear
Speaker 4: Sean Hannity trying to help a guy like right, so
Speaker 4: when you say day one, you mean you mean just
Speaker 4: your policies, right, you mean just like it's very cute
Speaker 4: and sweet and the durable of him. That's great.
Speaker 2: This guy what it did? Shit? Look at him trying
Speaker 2: to help me this day one. Okay, well I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be a dictator. Maybe they're gonna call me Robespiere. Bro
Speaker 2: just waiting, fucking wait, So yeah.
Speaker 4: Like Beta Sean Hannity, very exciting, I'm very ad bored.
Speaker 2: Well you're not. But you don't mean it, do you?
Speaker 2: You don't, ah, come on.
Speaker 1: And you know this is the part of each act
Speaker 1: break where I start getting a little antsy because I
Speaker 1: haven't taken a hit off my vape for five minutes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. They like one of the.
Speaker 1: Washington Posts had this opinion piece by a conservative commentator,
Speaker 1: but I think it's like a never Trumper conservative commentator
Speaker 1: and they're basically like, yeah, comparing him to the power
Speaker 1: grabbing Roman emperor Julius Caesar. The lengthy article says neither
Speaker 1: the US Constitution nor the Supreme Court could prevent Trump
Speaker 1: being president for life if he wanted, which like.
Speaker 8: All right, Joe, you gotta do it now, then, Bro,
Speaker 8: you gotta do it now if the if the laws
Speaker 8: are that flimsy, then would be like the bodies should
Speaker 8: be like, actually, I'm I'm godhead for life, right.
Speaker 1: Like why why is this? We're just agreeing with that
Speaker 1: we're just like, yeah, it turns out like he can
Speaker 1: kind of do whatever he wants, because that's how serious
Speaker 1: this country is.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, remember we talked about this, and then
Speaker 2: after January sixth, there was like this whole thing, we
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta codify these rules because clearly people don't
Speaker 2: like if it's not written down into law. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: I ain't no law, I could just fucking steal this.
Speaker 2: I'll just fucking say I don't agree with the outcome,
Speaker 2: and I'm the president. Still, yeah, what happened to all
Speaker 2: the codification? I mean, I was this is where you know,
Speaker 2: you have you have yet really great allies of the
Speaker 2: right wing takeover and Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema as
Speaker 2: well as many others that are just I mean, I
Speaker 2: just don't it's weird. I think there's just this. Also,
Speaker 2: the energy we get from politicians is sort of like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: it's fine. This dude's fucking like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck he's saying, don't worry about it. And then
Speaker 2: on the other hand, they're like, no, this fucking guy's
Speaker 2: gonna fucking do something, and you're like, well, then how
Speaker 2: do you factor into all of this? But if it
Speaker 2: really is, like can you show like because the will
Speaker 2: to sort of protect the you know, the American democracy
Speaker 2: like that dissipated so quickly in Biden's first year that
Speaker 2: now like we're I don't know, like what the answer is,
Speaker 2: and if the only answer is just to be like,
Speaker 2: well then just breathlessly vote for like Joe Biden. That's
Speaker 2: also a little problematic for me because I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: we have to look at these presidencies as a way
Speaker 2: to keep building on something and have progress. Granted that's
Speaker 2: I don't know how realistic that is at this point,
Speaker 2: but it's just like all of it is just very disorienting,
Speaker 2: where it's like is it an existential threat or is
Speaker 2: it not? And if it is, what are you doing
Speaker 2: at this in with all these seats of power to
Speaker 2: try and do something about it? Because otherwise it just
Speaker 2: seems like y'all don't care either way what happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I I am so happy that people
Speaker 4: are making big predictions of how bad Donald Trump could
Speaker 4: be because he like did a January sixth He's that
Speaker 4: dangerous already in real life, right, It's ridiculous that anybody
Speaker 4: is trying to tell people to take a chill pill
Speaker 4: about him. It's he did he fomented an assault on
Speaker 4: the United States capital, and if he were anybody else,
Speaker 4: we would have like rounded him up with our military.
Speaker 1: But right, you know, yeah, but he's very popular with
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of certain type of people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's why, like with all the
Speaker 2: support for Biden going up and down, I mean, like
Speaker 2: a year is truly like in eternity and politics. I
Speaker 2: mean like when we were I remember like twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: going to twenty twenty, We're like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he might get a second term, and then COVID fucking
Speaker 2: hit and completely upended everything. I'm not saying there's gonna
Speaker 2: be some other pandemic, but like, things happen and people's
Speaker 2: calculate as changes. But like right now, it's not like
Speaker 2: the big A lot of the stories I'm seeing from
Speaker 2: Democrats are like, oh, they're going to stop using Bidenomics
Speaker 2: because it's just not like resonating with people. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to be talking about than just
Speaker 2: like what the hell good of a catchphrase Bidenomics is? Right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, it seems like kind of a mess.
Speaker 4: We should be saying a kind of Biden right now,
Speaker 4: we're winning.
Speaker 2: There we go. We don't worry, guys.
Speaker 1: We've got a group of the highest paid political operatives
Speaker 1: in Washington just focus testing various phrases around the clock.
Speaker 2: This one's in the bag.
Speaker 1: I do feel like I just have this sense that
Speaker 1: Democratic strategists and like people in Congress are like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes being like, guys, it's in the bag for Biden, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people the bad right now. But like nobody's going to
Speaker 1: actually vote Trump into office, Like they've seen how crazy
Speaker 1: it is and they've seen You've seen like how they
Speaker 1: actually have voted in the past few elections. And it
Speaker 1: just feels it feels like there's like something that they
Speaker 1: think they know that the rest of us don't know
Speaker 1: about this election, or else they would have their hair
Speaker 1: on fire, Like it feels like everybody should with staring
Speaker 1: down the barrel of this shit.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I think it's like it's also knowing
Speaker 2: like when to shoot the shot in the campaign. It's
Speaker 2: like they can't turn on the fire alarm till we're
Speaker 2: a little bit closer to election day. You know what,
Speaker 2: I mean because like you start doing that now, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll it'll last for a couple of months, but like
Speaker 2: you need it to be like you need to hit
Speaker 2: fever pitch in like the week before election day to
Speaker 2: get that turnout or whatever your voter registration drives are
Speaker 2: because and that's what I think makes it just also
Speaker 2: so cynical too, where they're like, dude, don't war, don't
Speaker 2: warn them about the collapse of American democracy, Like we're
Speaker 2: not gonna really take it seriously to like maybe like
Speaker 2: three weeks out from the Yeah, yeah, then yeah, it's
Speaker 2: got to be a concentrated rollout.
Speaker 1: Okay, if we learned anything, we won't scale. I won't
Speaker 1: scale Otherwise. We have the PR team from Barbie. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're this is gonna be fun. We have the PR
Speaker 1: team from Barbie. They're telling us to just keep our
Speaker 1: powder dry.
Speaker 2: Sit back.
Speaker 4: Yeah wait, also Barbie nomics slam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, actually we're good here, uh justin please cut
Speaker 1: that out. We have to get this clip it out
Speaker 1: and send it right to the button. The Biden team
Speaker 1: and maybe a vice presidential run from Miss Barbie just
Speaker 1: could thrown it out there.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine, like it like that kind of level
Speaker 2: of panic, like from the DNC, We're like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 2: I think Taylor Swift might have to be his running day,
Speaker 2: Like I think we're gonna have to do that. I
Speaker 2: honestly like, I don't know what else. I don't know
Speaker 2: what else is gonna move the fucking needle. In some
Speaker 2: of these swings state it's like maybe, like we did
Speaker 2: the polling, people like it. No, I'm on a positive
Speaker 2: that conversation has happened, like in higher, higher halls of
Speaker 2: power than I want to believe. Yes, I think look
Speaker 2: what it did for fucking Travis Kelsey in the NFL.
Speaker 7: People were out on the NFL people used to say
Speaker 7: that was like modern day like barbaric slavery, like just
Speaker 7: like you know, like just all these black players and
Speaker 7: like a white quarterback and all these head injuries and
Speaker 7: their disposable bodies, and now people.
Speaker 2: Fucking everyone loves it again because of Taylor. That is.
Speaker 4: That's a life I've never thought about it being one
Speaker 4: of the people running either of the major political parties.
Speaker 4: And just as you go through life, whenever a celebrity
Speaker 4: crosses your mind or radar, you just have the thought
Speaker 4: like should I make them the president? Yeah, would that
Speaker 4: work for me? Like what a weird way to live life?
Speaker 1: That was right, like in the post like Clinton, I
Speaker 1: remember a lot in like the George W. Bush era,
Speaker 1: Michael Moore would talk a lot about Oprah being the president,
Speaker 1: like how we got to get Oprah to run? And
Speaker 1: and I think that was like a popular idea is
Speaker 1: like we just need I mean, you see the way
Speaker 1: she can move books.
Speaker 4: You guys like, yes, I wish you can sell slankets.
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's like it's different, but that's almost
Speaker 4: happened mainly with generals. I read a biography of True
Speaker 4: Men and they talked about how Eisenhower got talked to
Speaker 4: by both parties before he took a look at politics,
Speaker 4: because they were just like, you'll definitely get elected, and
Speaker 4: you're awesome, Like he's much more impressive than a celebrity,
Speaker 4: but it was an option before because he was not
Speaker 4: in politics yet. And they were like, this is a
Speaker 4: free agent. Can I add him to my fantasy team?
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, exactly, Like this guy's on waivers you guys,
Speaker 1: a season winner just sitting out there on the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: Is he more impressive than all celebrities. We're about to
Speaker 1: find out because he is now in the same category
Speaker 1: as Taylor this year's.
Speaker 2: Person of the Year.
Speaker 9: We'll be right back, and we're back, We're back and yeah, anyway,
Speaker 9: Vice President Taylor.
Speaker 1: Have you read Taylor's autobiography yet or Taylor's biography?
Speaker 4: No, I'm getting to. I know Harry Truman was a
Speaker 4: huge fan. But that's why I know.
Speaker 1: Walter Isaacson is working on it.
Speaker 2: The guy. It's going to be added to his Genius trilogy.
Speaker 2: Taylor puts out a book. It's like the US Constitution,
Speaker 2: Taylor's version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor Swift has joined the likes of Adolf Hitler
Speaker 1: and Joseph Stalin on and you know many others.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the FDR as one of the most influential people
Speaker 1: in modern history. It is like so, first of all,
Speaker 1: we talked about how like the nominees included labor, which
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, that's definitely the pick, right, like that
Speaker 1: labor has had a huge year this year. They fucking
Speaker 1: stopped the entertainment industry, they stopped the and like bent
Speaker 1: the auto industry to their will. Like there's growing approval
Speaker 1: for the labor industry or for labor, which is unprecedented
Speaker 1: in modern America. Like that the idea of labor having
Speaker 1: a high approval rating in the United States, like very recently,
Speaker 1: it was like what, No, that's fucking socialist. Fuck that, man,
Speaker 1: So like there there's this huge movement, and that huge
Speaker 1: movement does not move papes if you put it on
Speaker 1: the cover. So they were like, fuck that. And also
Speaker 1: it's kind of a socialist choice for They're.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, let Jacobin make that their Person of the Year.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: But this is the first time, Like I was going
Speaker 1: back through the list of people who have won who
Speaker 1: like the People of the Year. They've never had anybody
Speaker 1: this just like entertainment.
Speaker 2: They have they have. It was Bono and Bill Gates
Speaker 2: and Melinda Gates were on the cover one year, but
Speaker 2: that was for their humanitarian work. Yeah sure, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying Bono did make it. Bono, Okay, Bono was
Speaker 2: like in the background. Yeah, he's typically part of the
Speaker 2: group that was celebrated as the People of the Year.
Speaker 2: So but he is, as I look at this, he's
Speaker 2: the only person. Maybe Ted Turner like is another sort
Speaker 2: of media adjacent but yeah, yeah, not.
Speaker 1: Like it's usually like billionaire They're like, yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: take people seriously unless they've made decisions that led to
Speaker 1: the deaths of many thousands of people. That's that's our
Speaker 1: kind of our sweet spot.
Speaker 2: He's looking at you, Kissinger seventy two. Yeah, right there.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it feels like kind of a
Speaker 1: safe pick, a greedy pick, and that you want to like,
Speaker 1: if you want that NFL halo, that Taylor Swift halo
Speaker 1: that even improved the NFL's approval ranking, then like this
Speaker 1: is probably the smart move from a business perspective. It
Speaker 1: does re raise the question of like is this accurate?
Speaker 1: Like it do what we you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: how religion has gone away or gone like the number
Speaker 1: of people who identify with religion has gone down significantly
Speaker 1: in the past few decades, and suddenly we now have
Speaker 1: these global pop stars who have fan bases that obsess
Speaker 1: over them and treat them like they are a sacred text,
Speaker 1: like treat their work like it's a sacred text. So like,
Speaker 1: maybe she is kind of a uniquely powerful, you know,
Speaker 1: city embolic figure in the history of the world. Because
Speaker 1: it does feel like a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: different deep human needs are aligning around her, and you know,
Speaker 1: pop pop musicians and movies and you know these modern
Speaker 1: myths that we have instead of religion more and more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it probably should have been Labor.
Speaker 2: I mean, are they are they even looking at her
Speaker 2: in that context or are they just being like, yo,
Speaker 2: she was she was popping this year and that's you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you're giving a very interest,
Speaker 2: like you're giving a charitable interpretation of them naming her
Speaker 2: person of the Year, where I don't disagree, like she
Speaker 2: has she's she's moving money like it's fucking all over.
Speaker 2: It's slashing around. Okay, it's just slashing around all this
Speaker 2: cap and what to do with all this money that's
Speaker 2: slashing around? That's the question on anyone's mind. And I
Speaker 2: get all the fans are dedicated, but I think, like,
Speaker 2: if you're really talking about like impact on the earth,
Speaker 2: like twenty eleven, and it was the protesters, like right,
Speaker 2: because that was the year of the Arab Spring and
Speaker 2: things like that. Time magazine made those people the people
Speaker 2: of the Year. And when you look at what has
Speaker 2: been happening with Labor, the amount of like of jobs
Speaker 2: of money and things that have been affected by organized labor.
Speaker 2: I think will completely blow out anything Taylor Swift has
Speaker 2: done if you're looking at like the raw economics of
Speaker 2: like what it means for these people to go on
Speaker 2: strike and the benefits that are going to reverberate from that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think to your point, like knowing that
Speaker 2: print is doing terribly in the digital era, like sometimes
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, yeah, you know, it's like people aren't
Speaker 2: gonna really argue with that. It might not be the
Speaker 2: best choice, but that cover is gonna sell like a
Speaker 2: motherfucker mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And I wish time would provide
Speaker 4: more like practical value to the country with this, Like
Speaker 4: I don't need help remembering Taylor Swift exists, and as
Speaker 4: we've been talking about strikes, my mind is trying to
Speaker 4: remember if there was a railroad strike and like trying
Speaker 4: to remember if there was a UPS strike or if
Speaker 4: they considered it, and like an article would help me
Speaker 4: remember that and reun it down, because that's that's somewhat
Speaker 4: difficult to keep in your head. And Taylor Swift is
Speaker 4: probably most of the screens in every building in the
Speaker 4: country right now. So I don't, I don't need help
Speaker 4: with that, That's okay.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. A lot of the writing, like I've read
Speaker 2: like the first third or of it, like and a
Speaker 2: lot of it is just talking about just purely like yo,
Speaker 2: she's so popping, like she's perfected the art of pop
Speaker 2: music this year. She's yeah, you know, she's omnipotent at
Speaker 2: this point. So like from that very yeah, from that perspective,
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, okay, that's fine, but a lot of
Speaker 2: like but is that contribution as significant to like the
Speaker 2: larger world? But again, that's I don't think anyone will
Speaker 2: ever agree on or the Time person of the Year
Speaker 2: should be. But not again, not that it means really anything. Yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 1: I think there's an interesting point to be made about
Speaker 1: like the role of pop and pop culture like growing
Speaker 1: and becoming more important. But I'm guessing it's not being
Speaker 1: made by Time magazine, which is, as I've said frequently,
Speaker 1: a garbage publication.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like trying to see if like even
Speaker 2: the word religion is in there, and it's only in
Speaker 2: there once to describe how people felt at her concerts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like it would be interesting to your point is
Speaker 2: to do a larger examination and be like it's not
Speaker 2: just because like, on its face, obviously she's had like
Speaker 2: she's been so significant to pop culture this year. It's
Speaker 2: actually all these other things that you're not looking at.
Speaker 2: I think that would have been something interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like, dude, look how much money she makes,
Speaker 2: like how much revenues generated from where she has a tour.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we get that, but like, give us
Speaker 2: something else, give us something more, because I'm sure there
Speaker 2: is something interesting. I mean, like we talk about her
Speaker 2: all like, we haven't really stopped talking about her since
Speaker 2: the Arrows tour kicked off because we're like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck is Clearly she's got she is in the fucking
Speaker 2: hearts and minds of people. Yeah, but a deeper examination,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like it's nothing ne a forensic analysis,
Speaker 2: but I think that there's something academic there that could
Speaker 2: be interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I want I want a Person of the Year Taylor
Speaker 4: Swift from any better media organization that would be great,
Speaker 4: Like some like a magazine that I think does good work.
Speaker 4: That would be very exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, Taylor Swift in the Halls of
Speaker 1: Power with did Mussolini ever win it. I feel like
Speaker 1: rings about they all did, Mussolini, rings a bell, they
Speaker 1: all did everyone. I mean, Hitler won it twice, you know.
Speaker 2: Nixon won it twice.
Speaker 1: You know, Nixon won it twice in consecutive years, and
Speaker 1: then the year after it was the judge who basically
Speaker 1: like ended his career.
Speaker 2: They were like, this guy.
Speaker 1: Nixon's on a fucking heater, folks, He's heating up, He's
Speaker 1: on fire.
Speaker 2: What happened? What now?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: What are is the next person of the year just
Speaker 4: automatically ever wins the next presidential election?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That seems like part of it too. They're sort of
Speaker 4: implying no politics happened this year, which is not true.
Speaker 4: But I feel like they're saving next year for politics.
Speaker 4: So they were like, let's have a treat in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, right, Like, let's let's goof off a little bit.
Speaker 1: Right right right, It's a fun like kind of goof
Speaker 1: off year. This is like senior Spring. You know, we're
Speaker 1: just chilling.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it gonna look like one of those
Speaker 2: things where like yeah, and then the next one is
Speaker 2: like Trump's like fucking you know, political enemies are Ye're
Speaker 2: like that was a weird transition. We went from Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift to fucking Stephen Miller. That was a dark time.
Speaker 2: That was a dark time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting to see where we're
Speaker 1: at this time next year. I mean looking back, like
Speaker 1: Greta Thunberg was the Person of the Year a mere
Speaker 1: like four or five years ago, and I mean right now,
Speaker 1: since then, we've solved climate change. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: what a time of gapsule. Oh oh wait, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I'm being told the Time magazine.
Speaker 2: Has just moved on from that. Yeah, yeah, because what's
Speaker 2: wild was like in twenty eighteen, it was like people
Speaker 2: like Jamal Hashoggi, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and like other journalists who are like killed like doing
Speaker 2: like work that it's like that's almost like crious exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the what's the scale? What's the measuring criteria we
Speaker 2: use for this?
Speaker 1: But the people who sum up like that, there's somebody
Speaker 1: whose job it is to like sum up the big
Speaker 1: group ones, and they always do the worst job, like ever,
Speaker 1: like right for the year that it was Zelenski, they
Speaker 1: made it the spirit of Ukraine and for it, like
Speaker 1: it's just really the guardians, the Hashoggi year was the
Speaker 1: Guardians with uh, you know, people writing about corruption around
Speaker 1: the world and right, yeah, that's silence breakers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like they forgot we should we shouldn't like
Speaker 4: focus on heroes too much. But I feel like they
Speaker 4: forgot that one person can represent a group of people. Like,
Speaker 4: so let's get to represent Ukraine. It is fine, that
Speaker 4: makes sense. You don't need to like invoke the spirit
Speaker 4: of Ukraine like it's a magic act or something.
Speaker 1: It's okay, the good Samaritans that Bono and Bill Gates want.
Speaker 1: That one's so wild, Like that's such a specific And
Speaker 1: this is when we realized that neoliberalism was going to
Speaker 1: work because Bono organized the Live eight concerts and the
Speaker 1: rest of the world's problems dissolved. That's that's what he
Speaker 1: helped to organize the Live eight concerts.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was just like we were just
Speaker 2: such in our peak too of like dystopian like you know,
Speaker 2: Iraq Afghanistan war type stuff that it's yeah, fucking Bono
Speaker 2: and ship for the concerts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like your runner of that year, the Black
Speaker 1: Eyed Peace.
Speaker 2: Let's get it started. Indeed, yes, all right, well, Alex Schmidt,
Speaker 2: what a pleasure having you on the show as always.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Always great streak.
Speaker 2: Where can uh where can people find you? Follow you?
Speaker 2: All that good stuff? I make it.
Speaker 4: I make a podcast called Secretly Incredibly Fascinating and my
Speaker 4: co host is the amazing Katie Golden, which is just
Speaker 4: awesome from Creature, Feature and more.
Speaker 2: But check it out.
Speaker 4: It's if you search secretly in your app. It's the
Speaker 4: red logo and I'm making tiktoks most days now, so
Speaker 4: find me on TikTok. It's fun.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, I'm going to follow you on TikTok. Yes,
Speaker 1: I start using TikTok. What what are some subjects that
Speaker 1: you recently discovered were Secretly incredibly flat fascinating.
Speaker 4: We had a listener request for ska music, so we
Speaker 4: did a whole thing about that, which was extremely fun.
Speaker 4: It turned out because I kind of missed goa music
Speaker 4: as a kid and learned a lot. And then we
Speaker 4: did Canada Geese recently, which I think is a really
Speaker 4: excellent winter holiday vibe if you want to do that
Speaker 4: one too. And of course Katie brings something extra to
Speaker 4: anything animals, She's great on everything, but we really nailed
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: I think Yeah, Canadian geese.
Speaker 1: The popularity of eating goose we were talking about on
Speaker 1: an upcoming episode. We will be talking about in an
Speaker 1: upcoming episode. But like the fact that like Christmas used
Speaker 1: to be goose season where we geese did. Did that
Speaker 1: go out of fashion because geese tastes bad? Or because
Speaker 1: people just like see too many of them in their
Speaker 1: day to day lives. Was that something that you guys covered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of like species of geese we
Speaker 4: farm and then we don't farm Canada geese, and apparently
Speaker 4: Canada geese taste amazing, and there's huge hunts to control
Speaker 4: the population. Now, so there's places all over the US
Speaker 4: and other parts of North America where people eat Canada
Speaker 4: geese oft and oh for population control.
Speaker 1: Oh, hunting Canada geese seems like the most unsporting thing
Speaker 1: that you could possibly hunt.
Speaker 2: Like they like you have to like run away from them.
Speaker 2: They're just like coming up to you and.
Speaker 6: Be like, like you really don't need like a duck
Speaker 6: blind in that case, those things just walk slowly towards you.
Speaker 2: In my experience anyways, amazing.
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess don't hunt them in the like
Speaker 4: town or park where that happens that the people will
Speaker 4: be that excited about your pig gun.
Speaker 1: But yes, right, I just use one of those ones
Speaker 1: that the end looks like a horn and it just
Speaker 1: blasts the big blast of smoke, you know what, And
Speaker 1: the only thing it does to the Canadian geese is
Speaker 1: that spins their beak around to the back of their head.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I have to spounack background. I think about
Speaker 4: Daffy Duck all the time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, her work the media you've been.
Speaker 4: Enjoying so and this is the thing on TikTok. There
Speaker 4: was an old Canadian children's show called nan Alan and
Speaker 4: it has become several different memes. And then my favorite
Speaker 4: one on TikTok has puppets on Nana Lane where one
Speaker 4: sings about who's this wonderful girl and she's like descending
Speaker 4: stairs and people are using it for very good memes
Speaker 4: on TikTok. It's great.
Speaker 1: Amazing miles people find you. Is there working media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying.
Speaker 2: At Miles of Gray all over the place pretty much.
Speaker 2: Find Jack and I on our basketball Podcastles Lusty's and
Speaker 2: you could also find me on the four to twenty
Speaker 2: Day Fiance Show with Sophia Alexandra, we talk about my
Speaker 2: favorite show ninety day Fiance tweet. I like from Katie
Speaker 2: Delaney at Katie Delaney tweeted, bro, are you seriously strumming
Speaker 2: My pain with your fingers right now? The goat when
Speaker 2: it just comes to just being like, are you this
Speaker 2: song lyric? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: But are you? What the fuck? What's that even mean?
Speaker 4: Nothing good?
Speaker 2: That's what I think. That's just the first thought. I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like the way I mean, I think the Robbie's version
Speaker 2: is like they're watching someone perform and like the everything
Speaker 2: they're performing is speaking directly to them.
Speaker 1: That the guitar, Oh my god, you're strumming my pain
Speaker 1: with your fingers like somebody's stopping it like a musician
Speaker 1: in the middle and be like, bro, are you are
Speaker 1: you serious right now with the scrumming of my pain?
Speaker 1: Are you with your fingers?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Less, yo, This motherfucker is singing my life with his words. No.
Speaker 2: I do not appreciate that. Nah, not like this. Huh huh.
Speaker 4: It does sound like a yell review of a concert,
Speaker 4: doesn't it anyway?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh tweet I've been enjoying trash. Jones tweeted, I love
Speaker 1: the moon because we both look bad in photos. But Jack,
Speaker 1: you still take a killer moon photo. Man, I will
Speaker 1: take a I was looking back through and I got
Speaker 1: some moon photos and they stink. My moon photos are
Speaker 1: back no, Like I was like, oh wait, you know
Speaker 1: to my son, my five year old, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this the moon is amazing. It's like so huge. Go
Speaker 1: stand like over there. I'm gonna get you with the moon.
Speaker 1: And it just the shittiest picture I've ever taken of.
Speaker 1: Someone figures out it's an optical illusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out it's not that the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just big in our hearts like me, you know,
Speaker 1: baden pictures, dig in your heart. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian. You can find
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Speaker 1: foot note or we link off to the information that
Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode, as well as a
Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song
Speaker 1: do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 2: This is an interesting I don't okay, So I always
Speaker 2: find tracks that are seeming like they kind of straddle
Speaker 2: many genres. This is from an artist from co diois
Speaker 2: the Ivory Coast named Creature Sonore s O n O
Speaker 2: r E. And the track is called Serenities Illumination. And
Speaker 2: it's clear that there's like these like afro beat, high
Speaker 2: life percussive elements, but also like there's like this sampling
Speaker 2: that's going on which kind of makes it feel kind
Speaker 2: of like vapor wavy. It's just super interesting and it's
Speaker 2: like it has a lot of heart to it, and
Speaker 2: it just feels like one of these like really interesting,
Speaker 2: interestingly assembled songs. So check this out. It's Serenity's Illumination
Speaker 2: by Creature Sonore.
Speaker 1: All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes.
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