WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5001 PART 2 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.119 Welcome to Pod Meets Twirled, a podcast that once chronicle 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.280 two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.200 but they watched a season and somehow walked away experts. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.080 From there, we ventured into Traders, the show I'd never 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.599 seen but Will swore he could win. And now we 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.639 turned to Survivor season fifty, the big One. This time 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.519 the roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.920 the first. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are wilfrid l, 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.280 who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Right or Strong, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.319 who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.720 best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization, one 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.320 who would never leave the woods if he could. Both 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:54.600 reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.840 fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.280 television history culminating in a massive season. This is Pod 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.920 Meets Twirled, Seeking Immunity. Okay, should we start recapping the 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:07.440 show now? 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:08.600 Yeah? 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.800 All right? So always, you know, they always arrive on 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.360 an island in a big group on you know, sometimes 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.160 they've done seasons where they're like on a pirate ship 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.520 or like a big boat. But for the most part, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.399 they get to a location like this and they all 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.400 just kind of stand there and meet each other. Yeah. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.080 In this case is really interesting because they all have 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.240 history with the show before. Yea, all have known. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.920 Of each other if they each other, Yeah. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.720 They've been a part of each other's seasons. It's yeah, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.760 this is an interesting one, and it's there's a lot 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.760 of names. There's a lot of people to keep up with, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:43.960 so I'm not really sure how we're going to go 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.280 through this, and like even we're going figure we're going 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.319 to figure out who they are. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.040 And obviously as they people get weeded out, it's going 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:51.240 to be easier to remember everybody. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.080 It's like Traders. Do you remember who did the first 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.440 twenty four people in Traders? Of course not, So we'll 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:55.800 get there. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.560 Overwhelming overwhelming, by the way. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.720 Here's the other thing I will say. It is a 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.160 It was a three hour. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.440 Premiere, two hours three really. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.720 I watched it on CBS. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.519 Oh, so you had the commercials, right, I had the 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.160 commercial So I watched it on Paramount Plus, so I 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.160 guess it was well commercial. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.360 Yeah, so you watch without commercials, there's no commercials on 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.200 Paramout Plus. Okay, so I have to get Paramoutplus. But 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.160 it was a three hour premiere. Yeah, it is not 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.160 hyperbole when I say there is nothing, and I mean 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:28.200 nothing I want to do for three hours you name it, sex, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.080 eating a good meal, watching a movie for three hours. No, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:34.640 there's nothing I want to. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:35.520 Do for three hours. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.320 Too much Survivor. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.720 Too much Survivor as the opening gambit, do an hour 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:41.720 maybe two hour long thing. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:42.320 Uh. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.320 The ads were insufferable towards the end. They were coming 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:47.720 every five second. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:49.840 I can't watch commercials, so I'm. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.480 Just gonna I'm gonna sign up for Paramount Plus today. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.639 So you watched it the same. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.600 Night, you watch it today, I watch it the next. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.720 There you go that. So I have to watch it 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.000 the next day without commerce. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:01.960 Yes what I got it? Yeah exactly. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.959 I watched it live and yeah, it goes up in 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.840 Paramount the next morning. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.200 So I watched it live. Yes, again, nothing I want 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.799 to do for three hours straight? Nothing? 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.400 Yeah, I did think after because you know, normally a 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.160 typical episode ends with tribal council and right the one 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.040 person getting voted out, and so it did feel a 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.959 little long when it continued into the next day, and 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.880 I was like, what are we doing and turns out 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.040 we're following. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.079 Yeah, you ended it was it was yeah, it was 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.919 Batman Returns and you are the second Christopher Nolan Batman 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.840 where you finished up with the Joker, and you're like, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:32.520 great movie. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.400 And it's like, wait, now there's two fays you should 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.200 have ended this. You should have ended this. Yeah, so 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:36.520 there you go. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.360 All right. So the main characters that we meet in 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.320 this first beach scene, I guess would be Jenna, who 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.840 is from the first season. Yeah, and I thought she 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.480 like amazing shape considering she did this twenty year twenty 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:52.680 five years years ago. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:53.600 Twenty five years ago. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.400 God, yeah, so she was only like twenty when she 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.560 did it or something. I mean, they all still look 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.280 so good, people who have did it, you know, fifteen 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.600 years ago. I'm like, how are they not? Like, man, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.840 I'm just I'm an old I'm an old dude. Man, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.360 I'm looking at this going like I would not fit 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:09.120 in on this beach. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.640 Yep, I thought the same thing. It's like, well, there's 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.680 no way I'm going to go anyway. But still, and 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.520 so Mike White is there and yeah, you know who 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.440 he is, right of course, and the second he got there, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.799 I was like, wait a minute, the guy who created 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.479 School of Rock is here. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.000 Yes, Like, so he's done amazing race with his dad, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.320 and he's a fan favorite. He's actually an incredible player 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.960 because he's socially wonderful in that he he reads people 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.479 really well. He doesn't manipulate or lie. Okay, for the 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.520 most part, he's just beloved people just like him and 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:47.000 they don't usually expect like a celebrity version of the show. No, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:48.839 he just always wanted to be on because it was 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.840 before White Lotus. It was you know, he was at 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.920 that time essentially like I guess he had done some 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.279 acting because I think he was in some of his movies. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.640 He was in School of Rock, he is Okay, yeah, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.320 he would give himself a small part, but no, he 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.520 was mostly like a nerdy TV writer and he was 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.839 just the biggest fan. And you know, now he's arguably 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:14.240 the most successful lauded writer on television and doing it 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.560 by the way, Yeah, isn't he great? Like that's the thing. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.160 Every he's beloved like he is, He's a beloved and 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.480 so it's really cool to see that he's coming back 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.360 and doing it because lord, knows he doesn't need the money. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:26.720 And they even say that, they're like, you don't have 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.160 to be here, and he's like, no, I want to be. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.280 Here, exactly want to do And you know, I love 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.400 that he even like gets choked up in that one 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.760 part when he's like, I've been in moments when I'm 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.560 working on White Lotus because apparently he writes every episode 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.520 of White Loads himself and directs them all. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.159 Do you hear how long the shoot was? 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.160 No, he says it when he goes it's. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.839 Like one hundred and thirty five days of shooting, strange directing. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.919 He's writing and directing everything, and you and I know 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.520 what that means. That's like, usually you have a showrunner 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.360 who has a team of writers writing scripts underneath them, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.400 and then a team of directors underneath them. So the 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.720 showrunner doesn't write every episode and direct every episode, and 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.560 he does. Yeh, that's insane to me. Yeah. So yeah, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.600 the fact that he is taking a break from that 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.040 show to go do this. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.480 Just be shooting a movie every day for five months, right, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:14.719 that's nuts. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:20.279 So then there's this guy Devon's Rick Devons, who the 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:21.680 idol guy who's. 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.200 Like, oh whatever, yeah, guy yeah. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.880 Okay, I don't remember this guy, so I don't know 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.240 what seasons he's from, but he seems like quite a character. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.680 And I guess his whole jam is that he always 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.839 finds the idols or whatever, and I love that he 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.320 just started looking for an idol. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.800 They also allude to the fact is he a weatherman 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.440 or a local newscaster or something like that. I think they. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.679 Alluded to that where they're like, he's the local weather 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:43.760 guy or something like that. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:44.640 So yeah, okay. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.200 Then you've got Siri, who is probably like one of 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.560 the most beloved survivor people. She's lovely and it's you know, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:55.200 her story is that she like. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.720 Got on the couch. I figured that out. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.760 Okay, I forget that's and it's it's true remarkable, like 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.400 how far she's gone and how far she's gone on 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.760 the show, because I think she's done it like three 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.839 or four times. And she's a great player. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.280 And again like not so much with the physical stuff. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:15.320 No, no, she always manages to I mean, like you 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.920 see in this episode, because she's lovely. Yeah, everyone likes her, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.000 you know, and and and yeah, be my superpower. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.560 I just get to try to get everybody. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.560 To like me, which is great. I mean that's basically 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.600 Mike does Mike White does that, Sar does that. I 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.120 think some of the smartest players, it's like, you know, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.560 one of the greatest strategies is to just partner with 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.760 like a really strong. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.600 Physical like like a giant guy like John. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.800 If you're like a social player, just latch yourself onto 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.360 that person, help them, tell them who to vote for, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.000 you know, and hopefully they trust you. So you see 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.440 these kinds of partnerships evolve, you know, where it's like 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.120 right and and that's something that I think maybe also 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:53.960 as a part of the new era versus the old era, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.520 because it used to be like such an individual game 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.680 that people would just like rise and fall based on 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.400 like just showing up in. Now everybody kind of comes 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.800 in knowing what their angle is going to be. Am 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.080 I going to be a challenge person. Am I just 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:08.840 going to be an alliance builder? Am I going to 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.080 be a villain ish type person? 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:11.720 Right? Gonna? 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.560 You know, and you see that that's also interesting. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.760 You see people that are clearly also trying to fight 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.200 against whatever previous persona. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.200 That that's what makes this season want yes to me? 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.800 And that's that's what you're that's probably what's going to 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.080 be the most confusing aspect of this for you. You know, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.640 it's just and luckily they're spelling it out, you know, 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.440 like they're saying, like Ozzie's like I got taken advantage 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.160 of every time, I'm not going to do that again, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.880 and so you you know, hopefully they'll just keep spound 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.000 that out, because yeah, even though I've seen a lot 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.120 of seasons, when I'm watching this, I'm I'm having a 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.000 hard time keeping track. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.240 It was like, wait, what was Colby known for? I 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.959 remember the Colby one. I remember parts of the Colby season. Actually, Okay, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.319 so I must have seen like a season and a 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.040 half because. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.880 I remember it's done more than one. But yeah, but 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:51.480 I saw that. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.800 I think it was the second season because if memory serves, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.200 the thing that made him so famous was the fact 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.600 that he essentially voted in such a way at the end, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.760 guaranteeing so somebody other than him one like he gave 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.840 it away. He could have, if memory serves, he could 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:11.120 have voted somebody out, which then left the villain and 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.640 him and everybody loved him. Or he could have voted 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.679 the villain out and there was an older woman there 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.640 who really needed the money, and he essentially knew. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:18.360 He was giving it away. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.120 Wow, and that's what he did, and he became hugely 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.640 honorable player. And then he went on from him right, Yes, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.320 I love totally Team Colby. So I watched another show 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.640 he hosted called Top Shot, where it's just all the 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.680 best marksmen from around the world doing all these different 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.640 shooting challenges. And I watched like three seasons of the 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.800 act and I find it totally fascinating, and he just 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.560 seems like a man's man, completely honorable. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.320 What you see is what you get. I dig that 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:41.800 I'm teaking. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.000 In general, I like a lot of these people. Yes, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.320 I like almost everybody except Coach for reasons that I've 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.800 already expl again, yeah, I don't know him, so yeah, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.200 it's not there are There have been seasons of Survivor 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.160 that are just toxic where you're just like really, oh yeah, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.920 and sometimes intentionally so like one of the most interesting, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.600 like sort of devastating seasons was they divided people by 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.480 race on purpose. Yes, so they all showed up on 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.120 the beach and then they were like, we're doing something 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.080 different this year, and all the Asian people, all the 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.240 black people, all the white people, and it was sing 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.400 weird dude, Oh, I know, and it was weird for them. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.440 And then of course they all had to come together eventually, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.480 because eventually you come down to an individual game, you 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.320 just form one tribe together. It was really weird, you know, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.120 and it led to a lot of awkward conversations. As 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.120 a course, they've done it where they've split them by generation, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.439 so they did like a generation Gen X versus millennials, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.559 and you saw like how the different stre like how 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.679 you and they were sort of they sort of forced 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.840 you to consider like what does it mean to be 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.600 a member of this race or a member of this 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.599 generation and identifying as part of that or not rejecting 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.319 that and sort of working against the show's construction, right. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:55.880 And then there have been sometimes where you just have 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.880 a tribe of like kind of nasty people, like you know, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.880 like they come together randomly and you're just like, ah, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.960 they're just they're gossipy or they're lazy or whatever. And 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.120 so you see these different dynamics. This season seems really 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.720 positive to me, Like I kind of like everybody and 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.079 I guess because they all come in with experience, they 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.040 all know that they can't get away with like not 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.960 working hard or not helping out, you know, Like the 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.600 one person is Rizzo. He's the twenty five year old, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.200 right and Colby, you know, is like that kid's But 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.200 by the end they have like a connection because I 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.880 think he sees the value of like, yeah, he's just 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.439 twenty five. He just doesn't know anything. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.920 He's also keeping arm morale up and hey, let's do 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.440 a fashion show and it's like, okay, you need that too, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:36.319 like which made me. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.120 Love Colby like that he was really just like one 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.040 thing and then be like you know what, Yeah, I mean, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.360 we're all it's it's a good season, man, it's a really. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:44.840 Good Okay, all right, good, Well, I'm glad I'm coming 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:45.839 back on it one. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.920 It's positive. It's definitely feeling positive. But yeah, it is 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.280 interesting to have this like this. We're not discovering their 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.360 personalities the way you normally are, do you know what 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.040 I mean? Like normally a game of survivor. This entire 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.760 first episode is just like who are these people? And 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.319 like what jobs do they have back home? Why did 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.560 they do this show? This one is like, well we 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.440 all know this band of you know, characters, and it's 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.880 so now we're kind of rooting for known personalities, which 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.000 is it's gonna be a different it's a different vibe. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:14.520 Has there ever been a season so I was curious 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.920 about this, ever been a season where you either get 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.120 to pick your own tribes or you do something to 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.000 pick a tribe as opposed to like, we've already picked 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:21.480 when you get in. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.280 They've done them random, they've done them random seasons. Yeah, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.600 I think it's been random, but I don't think it's 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.560 it's it's not usually I'm taking you like school yard pick. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.640 I don't think they've ever done that, but maybe they have. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.960 That's the thing. They tend to keep the show evolving, sure, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.760 which is smart. You know, it makes for good TV 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.200 because you always yeah. And then you know, as opposed 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.080 to traders, it's ay, they've seen, they've learned a lot. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.560 You know, they've had twenty five years to taste to 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.760 figure out what works and doesn't, and so they're usually 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:53.480 pretty spot on. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:54.040 Yeah. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.520 Right, So this season they're leaving it up to the 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.800 fans to decide, which means the fans have voted on 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.160 some of the rule dynamics that have changed throughout the years. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.880 So did you notice did you vote no? I wish 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:05.959 I had. I would have done it. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.640 Yeah, would you have voted the way that it seems 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.320 like the fans voted No. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.400 I can't believe they're making a murder for them. I 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.000 can't know, because that's if the first vote is whether 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.640 they get rice and supply. They have to earn it. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.880 They have to earn it, and they made them earn it. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:25.840 I absolutely, I think it's a struggle, you know, Like 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.760 I think it's such a struggle. It's enough of a 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.640 struggle that like, because you know, here's my problem. What 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.800 happens when you have to earn it is that often 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:38.319 because if you lose an immunity challenge, right, and that 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.920 means you're going to lose one of your members, you 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.640 have to vote somebody, You have to vote somebody out 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.839 that night. If that also means you don't get supplies, 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.280 your tribe is gets just getting weaker and weaker. So 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.560 to me, it has a snowball effect. So like if 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.080 you're a winning tribe, you just keep winning. So what 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.959 happens with these situations is there's often and this has 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.640 happened like a lot of years, there's just one tribe 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.360 that just keeps losing for the whole first like six episodes, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.640 So you're just watching these people get sadder, weaker because 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.319 they don't have fire, they're not getting food, they're not 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.120 getting rice, they're not getting their supplies, they're not getting fishing, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.080 so they're just so it it ends up being like 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.560 the winners keep winning and the losers keep losing vibe. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.719 So that's why I'm like, I like the idea of like, no, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.200 give them equal across the board to start, and then 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.280 you know, have it balance out based on who wins 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.360 the immunity challenges who doesn't, as opposed to like this 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:29.840 person won the first one and they're just going to 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:31.720 keep winning, which is already kind of feels like it's 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.760 going to happen that way. I don't know, all right, So, yeah, 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.400 the fans have decided to not give them rice or 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.080 supplies and unless they do this first challenge, and you 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.720 see that the challenges are usually pretty balanced as far 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.760 as there's like a physical component there. Yeah, there's a 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.800 puzzle element. Usually there's swimming, so it's this game is 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.760 really well designed as far as the challenges go. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.400 Yeah, it's tough though, because there's some designed or they 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.240 can target one person in the group to show how 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.640 weak they can be, which we saw in this episode 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.000 where it's like, uh yeah, it just makes that one 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.240 person look real bad. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:10.720 Well I forget who said it, but they were like, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.640 we bottlenecked on that one. Yeah, and it's true, like 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.600 that was the guy with the that was Beaty. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.760 That's what I call him, the guy from uh Beat's 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.840 also from Hunger Games. It's one of the guys who 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.560 won the Hunger Games. But he's like a he's a 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.600 nerds Christian. Yeah, who's a total nerd and and you 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.280 know those are my people and the idea that nobody 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.360 else everyone's like, you can make fire with glasses, Like really, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.520 you never burned ants as a kid with a magnifying glass, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:35.440 Like you've never heard of this. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.960 It's so cool though, I know. That made me so 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.640 happy that they figured out. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.080 Science and you start doing that in the first grade, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.960 I know, but it was nobody figured that out. Come on. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.000 It was really cool though. All Right, So the first 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.640 challenge is usually involve like mud and paint, and that's 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.440 because they want to have great opening credit sequences. Okay, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.720 so you always owed the opening credits were usually they 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.440 list all the people you know, all the survivors, and 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.360 you get them in shots with their names. So just 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.720 remind you of how that's how every episode starts, and 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.840 they always take all the footage of that from the 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.120 first challenge they're covered in mud or jumping out of 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.200 water or whatever. So this one they got to dig 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:21.280 under a log, right, and then grab a paddle through 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.800 a puzzle situation with like a metallic thing, then another right, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.720 So you see there's all these different roles. So it's 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.800 more about teamwork, right, It's it's more about figuring out 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.080 who on your team has what strength and like and 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.160 and you know, going selecting for them. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.840 Well, it's a brain, a brain and brawn as opposed 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.080 to brain versus you need to use everything. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.760 And it's just it's really about the stuff that we 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.720 don't get to see often, which is how they strategize 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.120 for the challenge because they have, like I don't know 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.800 how long before they actually run the race or whatever, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.240 to sit there and go, you're going to do this, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.280 I'm going to do that. And some of the most 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.480 interesting parts of Survivor are when you get to see 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.880 those conversations. They often edit them out mostly just they've 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.040 just edit around them. I would love to see them 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.160 because there have been times when somebody's like, no, no, no, no, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.199 I'm gonna be the one to do this, and then 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.520 they screw it up so bad that the rest of 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.280 the team is like, we knew you shouldn't have done that, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.600 and you know, it becomes part of the social dynamic 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.160 to whether you volunteer for certain things or if you're 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.560 the person who just never pulls your weight, Like at 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.560 a certain point, they're gonna be like, dude, we're losing 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.320 challenges or we're not doing as well as we could 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.760 because you're not doing anything, you know, and then then 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.600