1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeart Radio. Hey brain Stuff, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum here. The two mid term elections are fast 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: approaching in the United States, and if you live in 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: a state with a hotly contested race and watch television, 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: you're probably being blasted by political TV ads. By late September, 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: campaigns across the United States had already spent more than 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: six point four billion dollars on ads, including television, print, 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: and online, and are expected to spend a total of 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: nine point seven billion by election day in November, far 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: more than either the eight or twenty elections. This year's 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: record spending on TV and other types of political ads 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: reflects the high stakes of the two mid terms. The 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Senate is split fifty fifty and the Dempcrats hold the 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: House of Representatives by a slim nine seat majority. For 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: the article this episode is based on, has to Fork 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: spoke with Christopher Warshaw, a political science professor at George 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Washington University. He said campaigns hope that by buying a 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: few extra thousand ads, they can put their candidates over 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: the top and win control of the government for their party. 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: The American public is more polarized than ever before. But 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: there's still the swath of independent voters in the middle 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: who are trying to decide, and political ads, despite how 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: annoying and even stressful they can be, have proven effective, 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: especially in the tightest races. Even a bombardment of ads 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily turn people off. Warshop and two other researchers 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: published a study this year in the journal American Political 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: Science Review examining the effectiveness of political tv ads. They 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: found that basically the one thousand that is only modestly 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: less effective than the tenth presidential election was decided by 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: razor thin margins of victory for Republican candidate Donald Trump 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: in battleground states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. In Joe 32 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: Biden and the Democrats spent heavily on political tv ads 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: in those same battleground markets. As election day of approached, 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: pro Biden tv ads outnumbered pro Trump ads by over 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: five thousand in key markets like Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and by 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: over four thousand in Green Bay, Wisconsin. In their research, 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Warshaw and his colleagues estimated that for every additional thousand 38 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: TV ads a campaign runs compared to its opponent, it 39 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: can capture zero point two percentage points more of the vote, 40 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and the results of the presidential election seemed to bear 41 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: this out. In sixteen, Trump one Wisconsin by about zero 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: point seven percent, but in Biden one Wisconsin by zero 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: point seven percent. The same swing happened in Pennsylvania, in 44 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: Trump won by zero point seven percent, but in Biden 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: won the state by one point two percent. For their study, 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: Warshop and his co authors analyzed data for more than 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: two thousand, two hundred and fifty U S elections from 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: the year two thousand through and not just presidential races. 49 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: What they found was the tv ads had a much 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: greater effect on down ballot races compared with presidential contests, 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: three times greater effect for senate races, four times greater 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: for gubernatorial races, and twelve times greater for the more 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: obscure races like state treasurer. The reason, says Warshop, is 54 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: that the whole function of political tv ads is to 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: convey some sort of new information to the voter. Quote 56 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: at the presidential level, ads don't give you much new 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: information that you didn't already have. We already knew so 58 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: much about Donald Trump and Joe Biden and Barack Obama. 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Whereas the races for the House, or governor or Senate, 60 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: people are following those a lot less closely, voters might 61 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: not know anything about those candidates beyond their party affiliation. 62 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: For that target demographic of undecid I did swing voters. 63 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Any new information provided by a tv AD about a 64 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: state or local race could swing them in the campaign's 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: desired direction. Many studies have been done on the effectiveness 66 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: of political tv ads and have shown mixed results. Some 67 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: studies determined that these ads have limited persuasive power. Other 68 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: studies have shown that it's the nature of the ads 69 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: that's the issue, positive versus negative. While Warshaw and colleagues 70 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: didn't look at the content of ads in their study, 71 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: he did point us to another study that showed all 72 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: types of ads a positive, negative, partisan nonpartisan seemed to 73 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: have the same small effect on voting outcomes. But in 74 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: the game of tv ads, the point is not to 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: convince a registered Democrat to vote for the Republican candidate. 76 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: It's to speak to the independent voters. Warshaw reiterates that 77 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: their research showed a very small effect of tv ads 78 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: on influencing people to vote for a certain candidate with 79 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: the largest plausible effect being one or two percentage point. 80 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: So if he was consulting on a campaign on how 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: to spend its money, he wouldn't automatically recommend pouring millions 82 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: of dollars into TV ads. The needle might simply not 83 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: sway enough. But as we saw in the last two 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: presidential races, there are plenty of contests that have been 85 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: decided by less than one percentage point a. Warshaw says 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: that this is also a lesson for political donors who 87 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: want the most bang for their buck. A donation to 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: a presidential campaign is a drop in the bucket, but 89 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: that same donation to a down ballot race could buy 90 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: more ads that actually influence the outcome. However, it's important 91 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: to note that research into past behaviors like Warshaws, was 92 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: looking at data from a time when most American voters 93 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: watched hours of cable television every day. Their study ended 94 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: with data from between one though a quarter of all 95 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: cable TV subscribers cut the cord and switched to streaming. 96 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Projections say that fewer than half of all American households 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: will have cable TV subscriptions by digital ads like the 98 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: political ads you might see on Facebook or before a 99 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: YouTube video have been found to have an even smaller 100 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: effect on voters. But political advertisers are getting smarter now. 101 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: On ad supported streaming TV channels like Lifetime or Vice, 102 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: campaigns can run hyper targeted ads based on the subscribers 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: personal data. Because so many Internet platforms now collect and 104 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: sell our data, everything from what other things you watched, 105 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: read and buy, to demographics like age, gender and race 106 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: or ethnicity, to your voting record and the estimated value 107 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: of your home could all be influencing what ads your serve. 108 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: Just when you thought spooky season was over, You can 109 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: run from political ads, but you can't hide. Today's episode 110 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: is based on the article do campaign TV ads really 111 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: changed voters? Lines on hous to works dot com, written 112 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: by Dave Rouse Brainstuff it's production of by Heart Radio 113 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: in partnership with houst works dot com and it's produced 114 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: by Tyler Klang. Four more podcasts from my heart Radio, 115 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 116 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows