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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you all so

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Speaker 1: much as always for tuning in. Jay Paul Getty, John

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Speaker 1: Paul Getty jpg so cartoonishly jpeg, incredibly incredibly cheap jpeg.

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Speaker 1: Was he's a miser, He's a skin flint. He never

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Speaker 1: met a penny he didn't think should be his. Where

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Speaker 1: is the origin of skin flint? It makes me, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know we're a family show, but it makes me

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Speaker 1: think of skin flute. You can, you can, you can

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Speaker 1: what I always think of when I hear skin flint.

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Speaker 1: What is the origin? I must know it comes from

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Speaker 1: the fact that flint, as like flint, is such a

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Speaker 1: much more active part of most people's lives. For fire Man,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever music yeah jpeg, Oh man, I can't

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Speaker 1: believe we went through a whole episode without making that connection.

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Speaker 1: I have another there's another coworker of hours that I

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Speaker 1: call Jpeg. I used to call Casey Pegram see peg

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Speaker 1: and he didn't like don't like that, didn't like it,

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Speaker 1: didn't like it. He's a very particular dude. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. Lovely dude. I got to see uh Casey

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Speaker 1: year since we've seen each othern person. It was really lovely.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's super producer Max. Yeah, and you're an OL

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Speaker 1: and I'm Ben no Bro. You can call me no Bro.

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out that I'll let you

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Speaker 1: guys call me a million different nicknames. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I think um, y'all should just remember that. Okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: when it comes time to to deed our states to someone, yes,

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Speaker 1: you'll you'll ruin this this mbio. Well, first we have

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Speaker 1: to make it an empire. And what better way than

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Speaker 1: starting with part two of this two part series on

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Speaker 1: the saga of the Getty Family. With thanks our research

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Speaker 1: associate Dr Zach We saved this because we thought it

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Speaker 1: was a natural break in the story. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what kind of sound cues this results in, but we

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Speaker 1: need to all right, we'll we previously left you without

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Speaker 1: a dope beat the step two we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this kidnapping the golden Hippie of Rome,

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Speaker 1: John Paul Getty the third had been kidnapped. A ransom

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Speaker 1: note had been sent. The mob was after some of

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Speaker 1: that sweet, sweet Getty money. Now, kidnapping rich folks is

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Speaker 1: an age old enterprise. It continues here today. Be careful,

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Speaker 1: but or even just like kidnapping Americans of of of

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Speaker 1: but we have uh, we've introduced some of our characters here.

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Speaker 1: up beautifully his penny pinching had become legend. He eats simply,

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Speaker 1: don't know if I I'm sorry, I'm just I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of my my deepest fears. Let's

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Speaker 1: that's another word that Max next and now we're looking

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Speaker 1: business failure. Sir, I disrespectfully disagree. No joke. Priorities. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like what what what are you in

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Speaker 1: this for? You know? Is is I mean, we all

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Speaker 1: have we only have one life. He's just a weird

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Speaker 1: I even know what the guy looks like? You know?

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Speaker 1: All I know about him was that it was kind

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Speaker 1: You know, and I don't know. I don't get him.

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Speaker 1: I'm also not a good jillionaire because I do understand

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Speaker 1: people that can't reconcile, that will never be happy because

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Speaker 1: a year, You'll be all right. You'll think I'm doing okay,

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Speaker 1: You always will be unless you learn to define happiness

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Speaker 1: in terms of internal variables. Right, you are the main

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Speaker 1: character of their own. But with that, unless we I'll

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Speaker 1: step off the soapbox. I just feel strongly about this.

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Speaker 1: Unless we start moralizing or over moralizing, maybe we end

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Speaker 1: it here. Money always doesn't always make people happy. There's

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Speaker 1: some great Ted talks about this as well. I'm also

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Speaker 1: thinking of r s A Animate the It's a great series.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys seen that. I'm gonna send it to

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Speaker 1: you along with that other Saturday Night Live sketch you

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Speaker 1: mentioned in part one. Didn't forget. I'll send that right

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Speaker 1: after we get out here. But I think this story

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Speaker 1: how success can be defined, and gosh, yeah, just what

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Speaker 1: a wild ride. Thanks to everybody for tuning in. Thank

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Speaker 1: to alleged Getty Descendants super producer Max Williams for letting

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Speaker 1: us tell your family story I think maybe allegedly, sure, allegedly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as long as we put enough alleged least in there,

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Speaker 1: we're good to go. Thanks also to Alex Williams who

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Speaker 1: else no, and thanks to you, sir Oh. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: you as well, Chris Roscions here in spirit of course. Uh, clister,

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Speaker 1: did you say something about the clister? Not yet? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: There there he is? What is he coming by? We should?

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Speaker 1: We should? Uh? I don't know, burn some some sort

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Speaker 1: of demonic herb. Perhaps that will attract to attention, you know.

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Speaker 1: I hope he hasn't been kidnapped, sane. We'll see you

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