1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:01,639 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Ted Cruz week in Review, Ben 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Ferguson with you, and we had some really tough stories 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: that you may have missed that we talked about this week. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: First up, we're going to take some time and talk 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: about Charlie Kirk, our dear friend, and the assassination and 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: what comes next. 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: We're going to deal with that first. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about the persecution of Christians 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: in Nigeria and Senator Cruz is leading the way on 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: trying to stop what's happening on that and finally, some 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: shocking comments coming from Tucker Carlson on Osama bin Laden 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: and his family. It's the weekend Review and it starts 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: right now center. I also want to talk about there 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: is a question. I'm sure you've gotten it. I've gotten 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: it too, and that is what's next. This is a 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: moment where my nine year old asked me that I 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: think the toughest question I've ever been asked by him. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: When I put into bed last night, he knew that 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: daddy's friend had died, and he said, Daddy, is someone 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: going to shoot you for what you do? And I 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: gave him the best answer I could. I said buddy. 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: You know, daddy carries a gun. You know, Daddy shoots back, 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: and he just started crying. And I think there are 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: so many people right now that are worried about where 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: we are in this divide and this feeling that the 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: left is just wanting to take out anybody that is 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: successful in articulating conservative or Christian views. I do worry 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: about where we are as a country. I also think 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: that you and I and so many others that do this, 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: everybody that I've been texting and talking with, I don't 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: think any of us are going to back down. We 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: maybe do things a little differently, we may take different precautions, 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: but I don't think they're going to silence any of us. 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: I'm not backing down. This is my mission field. I 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: think you feel the same way I do. 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and and listen. I think Charlie inspired many people 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: to speak up and to be brave, to be courageous. 39 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: I think more people will be inspired. I will say 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: his assassination, it wasn't just a murder, it was an assassination. 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: He was taken out because of who he is and 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 3: because of what he was saying. And he was taken 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: out because of fear that what he was saying was 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: so persuasive that people wanted to hear it. Look, when 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: he went to a college campus, he welcome leftists to 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 3: come argue with him, to present their side of the story. 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: But but but the power of the truth he was 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: saying was what was dangerous. And and and look, I 50 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: I gotta say, I feel a little bit you and 51 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: I were not not alive when when JFK was shot 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: or or Bobby Kennedy was shot, or Martin Luther King 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: was shot. But I do kind of wonder if that 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: that's a little bit what this that felt like just 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: just I have to say, like seeing this happen, particularly 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: the parallel to President Trump's being shot in Butler, that 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: it was the same thing over and over again, and 58 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: it was it was almost a successful assassination of the president, 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: and tragically it was a successful assassination of Charlie. Like 60 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: what is going on that there is this hate? And 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: I got to say, by the way, we have seen leftists. 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: We saw people on MSNBC cackling. I saw an image 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: on Twitter of this one soulless young woman dancing and 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: singing that Charlie Kirk had been shot in the neck. 65 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: I wanted to. It made me physically sick, the the 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: the joy at at his being murdered. But rather than 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: focus on that hate, and we could play those clips, 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: but you don't need to hear those angry haters. I 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: want to focus, actually on on some people on the 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: left that took a right message, and one of them 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: was was sank Ungyar, whose I don't know him, but 72 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: he's he's. 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: Liberal, hardcore liberal. Yeah. Yeah, he's the young he's guy. 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: And he put and and and he got it right, 76 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: by the way. 77 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: So here's what he posted on x. He said a 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: while ago, I put out these rules for the Internet. 79 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: One when we disagree, we fight. Two we have a 80 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: beer afterwards. Three when we agree, we unite. I got 81 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: a lot of flax. Surprisingly for the line about the beer. 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: People would ask, oh, yeah, would you have a beer 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: with Charlie Kirk. Well I did, and I'm glad I 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: did because now I won't get to Yes. Charlie and 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: I disagreed a lot about really important things, but somehow 86 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: we didn't lose our humanity. We were still fellow Americans. 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: We can all choose to hate each other. Now that's 88 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: a normal human reaction. We can choose to blame each other, 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: and I'm sure we will endlessly, or we can defy 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: the voices of division in the country and have a 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: beer together this time in grief. If you really want 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: to strike back at whoever did this, listen to each other. 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: Instead of hating one another. They want us to hate 94 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: each other. Treating one another as brothers and sisters, as 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: a united America would be an historic act of defiance. 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: Since I'm on the left, I'll go first for everyone 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: on the right, and most especially the Kirk family. I 98 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: am so sorry for your loss. I share your grief, 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: and I want you to know that our hearts are 100 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: with you. I appreciate sink saying that I retweeted it 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: and just said, bravo, look like that. I don't want 102 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: to focus on the haters, on the anger, on the rage, 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: on the evil bile that we see, because that was 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: not Charlie's message. Charlie's message was one of love. It 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: was one of liberty, it was one of the Constitution, 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: it was one of the Gospel. It was one of hope, 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: it was one of faith. That's that that's where we 108 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: should focus. And I hope that that is a powerful, 109 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: powerful legacy coming out of the thirty one short years 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 3: that Charlie had on this earth. 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 112 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. All right, Sanata, 114 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: I want to talk about We're talking about standing up 115 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: for people of faith. And this is a story that 116 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: has certainly been unreported or underreported at best, and it 117 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: deals with what is happening with the persecution of Christians 118 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: in Nigeria. We also just had this attack, as you 119 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: mentioned at the beginning of the show, where sixty plus 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: were murdered. 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about this and what you're doing 122 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: to stand. 123 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: Up well in Nigeria. The persecution of Christians has been 124 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: nothing short of horrific, and I've spent my tenure in 125 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: the Senate advocating for those who are being persecuted for 126 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: their faith, advocating for Christians who are facing imprisonment and 127 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: torture and murder. The sheer scope of it in Nigeria's 128 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: staggering Boko Haram, the radical Islamist group in Nigeria since 129 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: their two thousand and nine insurgency Boko Haram has killed 130 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: over fifty thousand Christians in Nigeria. Over fifty thousand, and 131 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: that's according to a twenty twenty three report from the 132 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: International Society for Civil Liberties in the Rule of Law, 133 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: which is a Nigerian human rights watchdog. Over eighteen thousand 134 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: Christian church churches and over two thousand Christian schools have 135 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: been attacked during the same time period, and to put 136 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: that in comparison, the watchdog also concluded that thirty four 137 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: thousand moderate Muslims died from Jahadist attacks. So the Jahadas 138 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: they target, they target Muslims who don't embrace Jahad, but 139 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: they especially in Nigeria, target target Christians. Between twenty fifteen 140 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: and twenty twenty five, an estimated one hundred and forty 141 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: five priests were kidnapped in Nigeria. Multiple priest kidnappings have 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: happened this year, including one that Bokoharram carried out. In June, 143 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: the terror group abducted father Alfonsis Alfina, held him in 144 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: captivity for weeks before releasing him and thank god, he 145 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: was unharmed. Afina spent over fifty days in captivity and 146 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: he had previously spent six years in ministry in the 147 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: United States, and violence against Christians in Nigeria has been 148 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: a horrific problem. In June, just a couple of months ago, 149 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: Jihadis killed over two hundred Nijnigerian Christian villagers in a 150 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: farming community that is ninety seven percent Catholic. This is 151 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: a massive problem, and it's a problem that occurs with 152 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: the complicity of many officials, of judges, of ministers, of 153 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: officials in the Nigerian government. So what I did this 154 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: week is I filed legislation that's called the Nigeria Religious 155 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: Freedom Accountability Act of twenty twenty five and it does 156 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 3: several things. Number one, it requires the Secretary of State 157 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: to classify Nigeria as a country of particular concern and 158 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: that would add Nigeria to a list of countries where 159 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: religious freedom is severely limited. The State Department's list right 160 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: now includes Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, and 161 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: other nations outside the Western world. And severe violations of 162 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: religious freedom include torture without charges, force, disappearance, and other 163 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: flagrant denials of basic rights. Additionally, my legislation would ensure 164 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: that the State Department keeps the Islamist terrorist groups Boko 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: Haram and also isis West Africa designated as Entities of 166 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 3: Particular Concern, a classification for non state actors responsible for 167 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: egregious violations of religious liberty. Boko Haram's stronghold is in 168 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: northeast Nigeria and it has an acted presence in several 169 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: countries bordering Nigeria. In addition, my bill sanctions Nigerian government 170 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: officials who facilitate persecution against Christians and other religious minorities, 171 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: and if the bill were enacted, the State Department would 172 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: have ninety days to submit a report on the Nigerian 173 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: officials responsible for pushing blasphemy laws and for justifying violence 174 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: from Islamist groups. This is a very important role for 175 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 3: the United States to defend religious liberty, to defend persecuted Christians, 176 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: and it's been a passion of mine since getting elected 177 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: to the Senate thirteen years ago. 178 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, this is something that it really does concern me. 179 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: It worries me. 180 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: And we're seeing and witnessing now so much not just 181 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: anti Semitism, but just anti faith, anti Christian. 182 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: And it's happening not just around the world but also well, well, 183 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Monday's God. 184 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Monday's pod focused on how the Biden Department of Justice 185 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: actively discriminated against Christians and systematically targeted Christians. Now, thank god, 186 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: they weren't doing things on the level of Boghahram. They 187 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: weren't weren't kidnapping and murdering them. But there was religious discrimination. 188 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 3: And part of religious discrimination is the Biden administration effectively 189 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: turned a blind eye to the persecution of Christians abroad. 190 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: So it wasn't committed committing these atrocities, but it also 191 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: was not acting nearly as vigorously as it should be 192 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: to defend religious liberty abroad. 193 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. Great point there. 194 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: We're going to in this moving forward, hopefully we'll set 195 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: a standard that America is not going to just stand 196 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: by and allow this to happen. 197 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: Right Well, well, yes, and Ben, I'll give an example, 198 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: an example during the Obama administration, there was a young 199 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: woman in Soudan named Miriam Ibrahim, and Miriam Ibrahim was 200 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: sentenced to receive one hundred lashes and then to hang 201 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: by the neck until dead. 202 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 203 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: And her crime was being a Christian. 204 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: That's it. 205 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: For the crime of being a Christian, she was sentenced 206 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: to that. She was in a prison cell. She had 207 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: a toddler named Martin, who was eighteen months old, and 208 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: she was pregnant. She was pregnant. She gave birth to 209 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: a little girl named Maya. Maya was born in that 210 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: prison cell. Well, Miriam Ibrahim had her legs in leg irons. 211 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: She was in the mud, giving birth in leg irons. Now, 212 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: during the Obama administration, I repeatedly spoke out for Mariam Ibraham. 213 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: I went to the Senate floor, I spoke about Mariam Ibrahim. 214 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: I called for Sudan to release Miriam Ibrahim from this persecution. 215 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: Others spoke out, Other foreign governments spoke out. The Pope 216 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 3: spoke out in defense of Mariam Ibrahim. You know who 217 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't speak out in defense of her? 218 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Who is that? Barack Obama. 219 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: The entire course of his presidency, he would not say 220 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: her name. Samantha Power, who was Obama's ambassador to the 221 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: United Nations. I have a pretty good relationship with Samantha 222 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: and on Mary Ibraham. Samantha Power was actually quite good. 223 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: She spoke out urging Soudan to let Mary Ibrahim go. 224 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: I practically begged Samantha Power, why won't Obama say her name? Look, 225 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: we can disagree on political and partisan issues, but she's 226 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: in prison and sentenced to die for being a Christian. 227 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: The entire course of his president, I could not get 228 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: Obama to say her name even once. Ultimately, though, the 229 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: international pressure became so acute that the government of Sudan 230 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: gave in. 231 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: She was married. 232 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: Miriam is married to a man from New Hampshire, and 233 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: so Sudan released her and she came to the United 234 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: States to be with her husband. I met maryam Ibraheim 235 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: at a gathering and she was speaking about her experience 236 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: and speaking out for religious liberty, and I got to say, 237 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: Miriam is a tiny woman. She's maybe, I don't know, 238 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: five foot one. I would be surprised if she weighs 239 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: even one hundred pounds. She's a very very small woman. 240 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: And she was soft spoken, and I asked her, look, 241 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: you and I are both Christians. Are faith matters to us, sure, 242 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: But you know what, I've never been tested. I've never 243 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: been in prisons for my faith. I've never been told 244 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to die, we will murder you unless you 245 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: renounce your faith. I hope and pray and believe I 246 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: would do the right thing and say absolutely not. But 247 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: I've never been tested with that. 248 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: And so when I. 249 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: Met her, I asked her, I said, look, when you 250 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: were in that prison cell, when they are threatening to 251 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: torture you and murder you, when you're looking at your babies, 252 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: your your toddler son and your newborn daughter, and you 253 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: know that they're about to execute you, how did you 254 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: not lose hope? How did you not give in to despair? 255 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: And ben She looked at me, very very calmly, and 256 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: she just said Jesus was with me. 257 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 258 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: And it was powerful and and I'm hopeful that my 259 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: voice then played a part sure in ratcheting up the 260 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: pressure to get her released from prison. And so my 261 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: hope in Nigeria, I'm going to press to get this 262 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,239 Speaker 3: legislation passed. I want to see the Trump administration designate 263 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: Nigeria and use pressure. And in particular, there is power 264 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: to pressuring the Nigerian government officials because you know what, 265 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: ministers of foreign governments, they like to get visas and 266 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: take their wives to New York to go shopping. Yeah, 267 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: and if you sanction the individual government officials who are complicit, 268 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: who are facilitating it, who are enforcing and prosecuting so 269 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: called blasphemy laws that can have a real and powerful effect. 270 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: And so my hope is this legislation and shining a 271 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: light will protect the Christians who are in Nigeria and 272 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: will stop the wide scale and murder of the Christians 273 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: that has been going on in Nigeria. 274 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, aim into that as before. 275 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 276 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: on this topic, you can go back and dow the 277 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing. 278 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: I want to get back to the big story number 279 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: three of the week. 280 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: You may have missed. 281 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: Add number two to the list real quick because if 282 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: you go Hitler first, let's throw in their next for 283 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: especially for people that are i don't know, forty five 284 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: and under. The most evil guy that we probably saw 285 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: in our lifetime in real life, and that was a 286 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Osama bin Lauden, right like 287 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: throw him out there nine to eleven if you were alive, 288 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: if you remember it, Osama bin ladd is another one. 289 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: Don't don't side with Adolf Hitler. 290 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: And if you were my age, I'm forty four now, 291 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: don't whatever you do, don't side with Osama bin Laden 292 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: which brings us to this unhinged Tucker point number two. 293 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I just want you to listen to what 294 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: Tucker had to say about Osama bin Laden. Give a listen. 295 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 4: Let me just say I would be totally comfortable sharing 296 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 4: condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. I hate Asama bin Laden. 297 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to 298 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: say I'm sorry to his family that he has murder. 299 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's immaterial. I would say 300 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison. 301 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer, 302 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: but this is family, Like, that's okay. That's called like 303 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: human decency. And anyone who against that, yeah, and is 304 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 4: even setting up this. 305 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: Let me just be clear, if I meet any of 306 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: the Osama bin Laden family members center, I'm not gonna 307 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: walk up back. 308 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Let me give you. 309 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: American hug, real quick thoughts and prayers like, no, that's 310 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: not gonna happen. 311 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: Look, this is a bizarre position that that Tucker says 312 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: he's okay with giving condolences to Osama bin Lauden's family. 313 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: By the way, on his same reasoning, he'd be just 314 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: fine giving condolences to Adolf Hitler's family. Let me tell 315 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: you right now, I am not remotely sorry that Osama 316 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: bin Laden is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Adolf 317 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 3: Hitler is dead. By the way, I'm not remotely sorry 318 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Dahmer is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that 319 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: Ted Bundy is dead. I'm not remotely sorry that Charles 320 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 3: Manson is dead. Yeah, if people are evil, psychotic mass murderers, 321 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: then society celebrates that they are no longer with us. 322 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: There is justice. I believe in the principle of justice 323 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: and understand. Osama bin Lauden let out k Kaita. He 324 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: planned nine to eleven, he executed nine to eleven, in 325 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: which case nearly three thousand people, most of whom were Americans, 326 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: were murdered. On September eleventh, You and I were both alive. 327 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: I was in Washington, d C. Heidi was in the 328 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: White House at the US Trade Representative's office. On nine 329 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: to eleven. She evacuated the White House because those terrorists 330 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: were murdering people. I lost a friend of mine, Barbara Olsen, 331 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon when the 332 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: two towers collapsed in New York City. That was a 333 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: grotesque act of war. By the way, I'm also not 334 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: sorry that the kamikaze pilots in Pearl Harbor who murdered 335 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: American sailors, I'm not sorry that they're dead. There is 336 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: something bizarre. 337 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: There is a. 338 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: Moral relativism to saying, well, we should number one carry 339 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 3: out an incredible military act that takes out Wasama bin Laden, 340 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 3: but then number two express condolences to the family, to 341 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 3: the toddlers, We're so sorry we took out your psychotic 342 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: daddy who murdered nearly three thousand Americans. No, we're not sorry. 343 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 3: And this moral relativism, I gotta say it is a 344 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: weird thing. Yeah, when someone who considers himself calls himself 345 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: a conservative sounds exactly like Ilhan Omar, it is a 346 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: weird thing when a supposed conservative sounds like Rashida Talib, 347 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: sounds like the AOC and says, gosh, we ought to 348 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: be saying I'm sorry to Osama bin Laden's family. No 349 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 3: we should not. 350 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: By the way, it's also weird that he goes in 351 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: this way like attacking America in our foreign policy in 352 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: essence and anybody that doesn't feel sorry for Terris, while 353 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: also giving propaganda out there on behalf of Ladimir Putin 354 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: and Russia with the interview that he did with him, 355 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: and then going shopping at the grocery store saying how 356 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: great life is in Russia, which if you go twenty 357 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: miles outside of Russia in any direction of Moscow, it's 358 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: very different than what it looks like for the elite 359 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: that are in Moscow. And everything in his trip was, 360 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: by the way, also controlled. They only let you see 361 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: what they want you to see. It's not like he 362 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: can roam freely and decide, hey, I don't want to 363 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: go to your sure, you send me too, I want 364 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: to go to another one that ain't gonna happen. And 365 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: then then you go from this to what he had 366 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: to say about a terrorist organization that has killed countless 367 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: Jews and has said from the river to the sea, 368 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: they want to take out and annihilate all all Jews 369 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: in Israel. They want Israel to cease to exist. And 370 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: he's like, well, hold on a second, maybe they're not 371 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: a terrorist organization. Maybe they're just a political organization. We 372 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: should think about that. It's like, what the hell's going on. 373 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, give a listen to what he said about hamasbus 374 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: because this is utterly bizarre. This is where Tucker has 375 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: gone full on woke leftist and don't take my word 376 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 3: for it. Listen to Tucker. 377 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are 378 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 4: in Hamas. Okay, so like, what tell me you can't 379 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 4: claim there in Hamas? Will simultaneously claiming that Hamas is 380 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 4: uh you know, grupugie hotties, their Islamic extremists, which they 381 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true, 382 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: by the way, it seems more like a political organization, 383 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al Qaeda, 384 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: So it can't also be true that Christians are a 385 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: member of al Qaeda. Sorry, yeah, yeah, so then we 386 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: know they're not an Amas, So why did they get killed? 387 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 4: Why was their church? 388 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: Bloy? 389 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 2: I go back to this, and I again, it's like 390 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: he's become an apologist for a terrorist organization, and he's saying, well, 391 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: they're not really a terrorist organization. They they they're and 392 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: and then the Christian aspect of this intertwarting that they're going, well, 393 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: then why do we kill them. 394 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: We kill people that are terrorist centered. That's what we do. 395 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: Well, what he's saying there is bizarre. I don't know 396 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Let me be very clear. 397 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: Hamas is a terrorist organization. 398 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: He'll tell you that, Am I wrong? 399 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: Like they'll actually tell you they're a terrorist organization. They're 400 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: happy to tell you this and show you how good 401 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: they are at it. 402 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization. Isis is a terrorist organization. 403 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: This is not just a question of opinion. This is 404 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: a question of facts. So let's give some fact. Article 405 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: eight of the nineteen eighty eight Hamas Covenants states quote 406 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 3: jihad is its path, and death for the sake of 407 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 3: Allah is the loftiest of his wishes. This is who 408 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson is defending. Globally, HAMAS is designated a terrorist 409 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: organization by the United States of America, that as a 410 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: matter of federal law, by Australia, by Canada, by Paraguay, 411 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: by Israel, by Japan, by New Zealand, by the United Kingdom, 412 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: and the European Union. Now, HAMAS is not formally designated 413 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 3: by Arab countries, but HAMAS is a branch of the 414 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood. By the way, I have legislation in the 415 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: Senate right now to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a 416 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: terrorist organization because they unquestionably are. Article two of Hamas's 417 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 3: charter describes them as quote one of the wings of 418 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Umbrella 419 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: organization is designated as a terrorist organization in Bahrain, in Egypt, 420 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 3: in Saudi Arabia, and in the UAE. They have always 421 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: been a terrorist organization if you just look at Wikipedia. 422 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: No no friend of Israel, no enemy of Hamas. Here's 423 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 3: what Wikipedia says. Quote. From two thousand to two thousand 424 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: and four, Hamas was responsible for killing nearly four hundred 425 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: Israelis and wounding more than two thousand in four hundred 426 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: and twenty five attacks. According to the Israeli Ministry of 427 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs, from two thousand and one through May of 428 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, Hamas launched more than three thousand 429 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: Casam rockets in two thousand, five hundred mortar attacks into Israel. 430 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: And of course, Hamas is who carried out the October 431 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: seventh attacks, who sent death squads into Israel, where they 432 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: systematically went house to house murdering every person in the house, 433 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: targeting them because they are Jews. They murdered elderly people, 434 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 3: they murdered women, they murdered children, they murdered infants, they 435 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: murdered toddlers, They raped women and little girls, and they 436 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: murdered over twelve hundred Israelis, many of whom were Americans. 437 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: It's one of the worst terror attacks in history against 438 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: American citizens. And Tucker says, well, I think they're a 439 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: political organization. He bases this on the weird fact. Yes, 440 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: it is true that in the Gaza strip when they 441 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: had elections, Hamas won. The fact that the voters elected 442 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 3: a tort terrorist organization does not make them a political organization. 443 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: They were in elected office when they carried out the 444 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: October seventh terror attacks. And so I got to say, look, 445 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: this bizarre statement wasn't in the course of an episode 446 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 3: where Tucker was interviewing this disgruntled State Department employee who 447 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: was fired fired by the Trump administration, and he was 448 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 3: give him an opportunity. And by the way, he was 449 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: also slandering uh a young man who works for the 450 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 3: State Department works for Mike Huckabee, the President Trump's ambassador 451 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: to Israel, works for Marco Rubio, and and Tucker did 452 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 3: an entire segment attacking this young man. Why because he's 453 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: Mark Levin's stepson. I gotta say it is grotesque for 454 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: Tucker to go after Mark Levin. 455 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: He does, and let's explain why real quick, because I'm look, 456 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: Mark's a dear friend of mine in yours as well. 457 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: This is a relative, Mark Levin. Mark Levin is clearly 458 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: an advocate for Israel. He has stood there and for America, 459 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: let's be clear, and for America America. And so now 460 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: since Tucker Carlson, I guess is like, all right, well, 461 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 2: anybody under that I don't like, right, Mark Levin a 462 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: family member, Let's just hammer that person to somehow make 463 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: it hurt. I wish he had this much animosity towards 464 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin when he was interviewing him. 465 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: And by the way, not just Flatteriputine, he had the 466 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: president of Iran, and I mean it was a love fest. 467 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: I mean he practically spooned with the President of Iran. 468 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if he was big spoon or little spoon, 469 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: but there was no skepticism. And by the way, he's 470 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: literally interviewing someone who is actively trying to murder Donald Trump. 471 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: And this is a weird game. So listen. Tucker recognizes 472 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: that the folks that listen to him will get very 473 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: mad at him if he explicitly criticizes Donald Trump. So 474 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: what does he do instead? He just criticizes everything Trump does. 475 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: He blasts. He has a whole segment on how Mike 476 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 3: Huckabee is terrible. Well, who is it that appointed Mike 477 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 3: Huckaby the ambassador to Israel? That would be Donald J. Trump. 478 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: And everything he attacks about Ambassador Huckabee he is doing 479 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 3: on behalf of Trump. But Tucker is unwilling. He doesn't 480 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: have the courage, You don't have the backbone to actually 481 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: attack Trump, so he just attacks everything Trump does. He 482 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: attacks bombing Iran, Well, who was the command and chief 483 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: who made the order? And by the way, that was 484 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: an incredibly successful military operation that made America safer. I 485 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: gotta say, listen, if you say something publicly and the 486 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: words you said are indistinguishable from something said by Ilhan 487 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: Omar Rashida Talib, that ought to be a sign you've 488 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: got a problem. And I don't know what's going on 489 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: with Tucker. I don't know what is driving. It's one 490 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: thing to feel kind of isolationist and to say, gosh, 491 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: you know, I don't like wars. Okay, fine, that is 492 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: a view. And to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't like 493 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: wars either. Joe Biden and the Democrats get us in war. 494 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: President Trump has gotten us out of war. But getting 495 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: us out of war you do it through strength. And 496 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: getting us out of war does not mean that you 497 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: refuse to defend America. Fine, if Tucker wants to be isolationist, 498 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: knock yourself out. But this bizarre apology and defense of 499 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: Osa I'm a bin Lodden, the defense of Hamas, and 500 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: defense of the president of Iran, that is, there is 501 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: something unhinged. And I hope people around Tucker go in 502 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: and say, come on, man, yeah, come come on. Let's 503 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: say we love America and we're not gonna lie to 504 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: the American people. 505 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center, 506 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 507 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: with my podcast, and you can listen to my podcast 508 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: every other day. You're not listening to Verdict or each 509 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 510 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson Podcasts, 511 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.