1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Kruz ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: with you as always Happy Monday, and Senator it is 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: a prediction that you predicted a few weeks ago, and 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: it's dealing with Columbia University, but it's also dealing with 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: students that are anti Israel, anti Semitic, and now Donald 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Trump is paying off on one of his promises. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: You know, there's a phrase that's gone viral online. It's 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: fa fo And I got to say, there are a 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: whole lot of anti Israel, anti Semitic radicals that are 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: finding out what that means. And there are also a 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: lot of Ivy League administrators and professors who are finding 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: out what it means. You and I we interviewed on 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: this podcast. Pambondi, the Attorney General in front of SEAPAC, 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: we interviewed live and I predicted in that interview, I said, 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: the Trump administration is going to go after universities that 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: allow these radical anti Israel pro Hamas anti Semitic protests, 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: and they're going to go after them in a couple 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: of fronts. Number One, it is existing federal law under 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: Title six of the Civil Rights Laws that you cannot 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: create an environment that is hostile, that is discriminating against 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: people based on ethnicity or faith. And when you have 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: universities like Columbia and much of the rest of the 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 2: Ivy League that are allowing Jewish students to be afraid 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: for their lives. The Columbia Orthodox Rabbi, in the midst 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: of the very worst protest after October seventh, sent out 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: an email to the Jewish students on campus and said, 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: do not come into campus. You are not safe. Colombia 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: will not protect you. And what you and I predicted 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: on this podcast with Attorney General Pambondi is the Trump 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Department of Justice is going to come after these universities 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: and cut off their funds. And I said, you know what, 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: first in line is Columbia University because they've been the 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: most brazen about it. And I predicted second that we 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: are going to see these anti Semitic protesters who are foreigners, 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: We're going to see their visas revoked, and we're going 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: to see them deported. Well, all of that is happening 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: right now. This past week the news broke the Trump 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: administration is cutting off four hundred million dollars in federal 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: funding to Columbia University, claiming that it has failed to 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: take steps to confront anti Semitism on campus after Hamas's 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: October seventh attack on Israel. The cuts represent the federal 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: government's first round of grant cancellations for Columbia. According to 43 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: the administration's newly formed Anti Semitism Task Force, which is 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: leading the effort, Columbia has over five billion dollars let 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: me repeat that again, five billion dollars in active federal 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: grants that are being reviewed by the government. So four 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars has already been cut off, and they've 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: got a total of five billion dollars in federal grants 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: that are potentially on the chopping block. And let's be clear, 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: Colombia is just the first of those. But not only that. 51 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: On top of that, the news was broken in recent 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: hours that immigration agents arrest Palestinian activists who helped lead 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: the Columbia University protests. The Associated Press is reporting quote 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: federal immigration authorities arrested a Palestinian activists Saturday who played 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: a prominent role in Columbia University's protest against Israel, a 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: significant escalation in the Trump administration's pledge to detain and 57 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: deport student activists. Mahmoud Khalil, a graduate student at Columbia 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: until this past December, was inside his university owned department 59 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: Saturday night when several Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents entered 60 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: and took him into custody. His attorney, Amy Greer Toward 61 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: told the Associated Press. Greer says she spoke by phone 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: with one of the ICE agents during the arrest, who 63 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: said they were acting on the State Department orders to 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: revoke Khalil's student visa. Informed by the attorney that was 65 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: in the United States as a permanent resident with a 66 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: green card, the agents said they were revoking that instead, 67 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: according to the lawyer, as I mentioned Ben fa Fo. 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is incredible, and we got to remind 69 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: people how we got to this point, and a lot 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: of it was a revolving around when those three university 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: presidents went to Capitol Hill and even CBS News talking 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: about how the Columbia University president resigned after all this 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: anti semitism was allowed on campus. Here is how CBS 74 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: This Morning put it when it happened. 75 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: Another high profile college leader has resigned after the campus 76 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: unrust that we saw last spring. Columbia University president Manuch 77 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: Chaffique had been roundly criticized for her response to the 78 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: pro Palestinian demonstrations on that campus. The new school year 79 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: begins in just three weeks, so why now is the question. 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: As Tom Hansen reports, Chaffique is a third Ivy League 81 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: president to step down in connection to protests against the 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: war in Gaza. 83 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 4: Nearly four months after fierce protests over the Israel Hamas 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: war ripped Columbia University and backlashed by students, faculty, and 85 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: lawmakers alike over her testimony on Capitol Hill. 86 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 5: Anti Semitism has no place on our campus and I 87 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 5: am personally committed to doing everything I can. 88 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: The school's president, Menu Schaffique, stepped down Wednesday, just one 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 4: year into the role. In her resignation letter, Shaffik cited 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 4: the turbulent period, saying it had been quote a period 91 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: of turmoil where it has been difficult to overcome divergent 92 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: views across our community. Columbia University's encampment was the epicenter 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: of pro Palestinian protests across college campuses last spring. At times, 94 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: those demonstrations took a violent turn and resulted in mass arrests. 95 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: After Shaffik twice called in the NYPD to dismantle the 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: tent city, and culminating with hundreds of police office users 97 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: moving in to clear out protesters that occupied a campus building. 98 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: Shaffik's actions prompted criticism not just from pro Palestinian students, 99 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: but also Jewish students who said they lived in fear 100 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: on campus. 101 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 6: When they harangue us with chance of from the river 102 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 6: to the sea. Schaffique doesn't want us to believe our 103 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 6: own eyes and. 104 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: Ears, resulting in calls for her to step down, including 105 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: from lawmakers who visited Columbia during the protests. 106 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on 107 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: President Schaffique to resign. 108 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 4: Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, in a social media post 109 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 4: last night, wrote, Jewish students at Columbia beginning this school 110 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: year should breathe a sigh of relief for CBS Mornings. 111 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 4: I'm Tom Hanson. 112 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: When CBS News says that you're the epicenter referring to 113 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: Columbia University of all of the worst protests, you know 114 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: it was bad, and not only has you heard Speaker 115 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Johnson called for to resign, you called center for several 116 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: of these presidents of university to resign as well, and 117 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: that was certainly said in the right direction. But now 118 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: we're seeing the payoff from what Trump promised on the 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: campaign trail. 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: Well, sure, and you go back to last year when 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: you had the presidents of Harvard, Mit, and Penn all 122 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: testify in the House. It will go down in history 123 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: as the most disaster disastrous House testimony I think that's 124 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: ever happened. Within two weeks, two of the three university presidents, 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: Harvard and Penn both resigned. It was a hearing on 126 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: anti semitism where they basically explained they gave lots of 127 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: academic jumblie joke, but it's essentially what they were saying 128 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: is anti semitism. We don't know what it is, we 129 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: don't care to stop it because we're leftists, and that's 130 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: what universities are all about. And their complete obliviousness to 131 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: creating a hostile environment where a significant percentage of their students, 132 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: their lives and safety are in danger. It was really 133 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: astonishing and it's the fruit of the ideological rot that 134 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: has happened in our college campuses. Look, I've told the 135 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: story before of about a year ago I was meeting 136 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: with a very successful Silicon Valley entrepreneur, a man of 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: the left, a Democrat, who was expressing bewilderment. He says, said, 138 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: where is all of this hatred, this anti Semitism, this 139 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: anti Americanism on college campuses? Where is it coming from? 140 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: And I told him I referenced the last book I wrote, Unwoke, 141 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America, And I said, listen, 142 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: this is the fruits of cultural Marxism that have taken 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: over our universities and our institutions. And it goes back 144 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: to the nineteen sixties and seventies, sadly, to Mi alma mater, 145 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: to Harvard, where you had Marxist that came on to 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: the faculty and they began teaching and dividing the world 147 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: into a Marxist dichotomy where everyone falls into one of 148 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: two categories. You were either an oppressor or a victim. 149 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: And to the modern day leftist Jews are categorized as oppressors. 150 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: And importantly, I did not say Israelis. I said Jews. 151 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: If you are Jewish to a leftist, you are an 152 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: impressor period the end, and Palestinians in that taxonomy are 153 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: categorized as victims, and once you slot them into those 154 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: two categories, the leftist Marxist ideology as they support the 155 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: violent revolutionary overthrow by the victims of the oppressors. Which 156 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: is why you saw so many left wing radicals cheering 157 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: on the Hamas terrorists who murdered twelve hundred people on 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: October seventh, who raped little girls and women, and you 159 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: had these leftist radicals cheering them on our academic campuses. 160 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Are so sick. This is the ideology that is being 161 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: taught to our children. 162 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: It really is. And this is something that you guys 163 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: have also been focused on on Capitol Hill when it 164 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: comes to calling out the Biden administration for doing nothing 165 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: about the anti Semitic protests that took place on our 166 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: college campuses. And part of this is you got to 167 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: have a spotlight on it. 168 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: Yep. So this past week, the Senate Judiciary Committee had 169 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: a hearing on anti Semitism. Now, you might think, given 170 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: the massive rise in anti Semitism, particularly following October seventh, 171 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: given the acts of violence against Jews across America, you 172 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: might think the Senate Judiciary Committee would be looking at this. 173 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: Do you know how many hearings we had on anti Semitism. 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: When the Democrats had the gavel. 175 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and a lemon, say zero. 176 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Wow, you got it precisely right to the one hundred 177 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 2: deciml point that would be zero point zero zero zero. 178 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: They do not at all. 179 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: If you listen every day, I don't get these trick questions. 180 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: Right, even a blind squirrel, not a one. So a 181 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: month into the new Congress, Republicans of the majority, we 182 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: held a hearing this past week on anti Semitism. The 183 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Democrats were terrified. They didn't want to talk about it, 184 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: but but I took the opportunity. Listen. I gotta say, 185 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: this issue pisses me off what we've seen happen to 186 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: our school, and so I want you to listen to 187 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 2: my questioning of the witnesses and what I had to 188 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: say last week at the hearing on anti Semitism. Give 189 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: a listen. Anti Semitism is evil, it is wrong, and 190 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: it is flourishing with the acquiescence and in many cases 191 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 2: active participation of student of students, of faculty, of administrators, 192 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: and government officials. And sadly, the Democrat Party has a 193 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: deep and pervasive problem confronting this evil for the last 194 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: two years. In the wake of October seventh, this committee 195 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: held zero hearings on anti Semitism in the United States, 196 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: despite the fact that Republicans repeatedly called for it the 197 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: acts of violence. Prior to October seventh, three thousand, six 198 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine anti sentemitic incidents occurred in the 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: United States. Following October seventh, in less than three months, 200 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: that number spiked over five thousand. In twenty twenty four, 201 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: that number skyrocketed to ten thousand and five anti Semitic incidents. 202 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: This problem is particularly acute on our college campuses Columbia University. 203 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: Columbia University was a major epicenter where they encouraged, tolerated, 204 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: and celebrated this vicious and vile anti semitism. Rabbi Eli 205 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: Buehler emailed every Jewish student on campus and said quote, 206 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: the events of the last few days have made it 207 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: clear that Columbia University's public safety cannot guarantee Jewish student 208 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: safety in the face of extreme anti semitism and anarchy. 209 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: I would strongly recommend you return home. This is the 210 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: rabbi at the university saying your school will not protect 211 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 2: your safety, and Colombia didn't do a damn thing about it. No, 212 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the rabbi wasn't crazy. Here is 213 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: one picture taken on the campus of Columbia. In the 214 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: back are Jewish students waving American flags and Israeli flags. 215 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: In the front is a Columbia student wearing a mask. 216 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Because these cowards are oh so brave, they cover their faces, 217 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: holding a handwritten sign that says al Cassam's next targets. 218 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: Al Casam is the military branch of Hamas. Understand what 219 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: this student is saying. She is calling for the murder 220 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: of her Jewish classmates. And by the way, this student, 221 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: the internet being what it is, she's been identified now 222 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: on the Internet. This is not a Palestinian who's subject 223 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: to oppression. This is a rich, blonde girl from Atlanta 224 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: whose parents are multimillionaire real estate developers. And they got 225 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: so proud. I'm sending my child to an Ivy League 226 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: education where she'll be indoctrinated to dress up and advocate 227 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: Hamas murdering Jewish students because they are Jews. Now, if 228 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: you agree that is evil and vile, let me ask 229 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: you something. We're the Democrats. Not a one is here, 230 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: and it's because the Democrat Party has decided the pro 231 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: Hamas wing of the party is more important than protecting 232 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: Jewish students in America. And if you don't believe me, 233 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: maybe you'll believe Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer, texting with Columbia, 234 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 2: said the following On January fourth, then President of Columbia's 235 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: Shaffick explained to Shipman and her fellow co chair David 236 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: Greenwald that she had met with Majority leader Chuck Schumer, 237 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: who advised Shaefik that university's political problems about anti Semitism 238 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: are really only among Republicans. We the Democrats, we don't 239 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: care about this anti Semitism stuff. Ms Lewin, am I 240 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: the only person that has noticed that these anti Israel, 241 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: pro Hamas anti Semitic protests, that the tents all match. 242 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 5: No, you are not the only ones who have noticed. 243 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: Is it clear that there is significant money funding these 244 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: attacks on Jewish students and attacks on America. 245 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 5: It is clear that there is coordination and there must 246 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 5: be some common funding. 247 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: In the last two years under the Biden Justice Department. 248 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: Are you aware of any investigation to follow the money 249 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: behind these protests. 250 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 5: I am not. 251 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: Are you aware of anyone who has been indicted for 252 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: funding these protests? 253 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 6: I am not. 254 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: Are you aware of any university that has had their 255 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: Title six federal funds cut off because they've tolerated welcome, 256 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: celebrated in the center holly put out, had their own 257 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: officials cheering on anti semitism. Has even one university lost 258 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: their funding? 259 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 5: I am not aware of any university having actually lost 260 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 5: their fund. 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: And I'll point out also some of the defenders say 262 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: free speech, free speech. You're right, you have a free 263 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: speech writer as an American citizen to say vile, hateful, 264 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: bigoted things. Let me ask you something. If a university 265 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: student went into the public square dressed up in a 266 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: clan outfit, burned across and said we should murder African 267 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: American students, do you have any a doubt the university 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: would expel that student. 269 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 5: I am secarely certain that the universities would take action 270 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 5: and ensure that the policies. 271 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: They should expel them. If they're foreign students, they should 272 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: be deported. And mark my words, if you were horrified 273 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: at the anti semitism, you will see the Trump Department 274 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: of Justice follow the money Prosecute the people who are 275 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: paying for this, Prosecute those engaged in violence, and cut 276 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: off the money from universities that are tolerating and celebrating this. 277 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: That is the rule of law. And ask yourself, why 278 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: did the Biden Justice Department do absolutely nothing about this 279 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: horror that is unfolding center. 280 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable to hear you call it out, and 281 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: I do think we just have to remind people this 282 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: is systematic on our college campuses, especially the IVY leagues. 283 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I go back in my head to Harvard and just 284 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: a defiance of some of these individuals when they were 285 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: testifying before Congress. They had no problem standing with these 286 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: anti Semitic protesters. 287 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: Look, because they believe the same things that the administrators. 288 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: They have been teaching the same poison, the faculty has 289 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: been teaching the same poison. And I'll note that that 290 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: clip you played while I was questioning at the hearing 291 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: of anti semitism, as I noted, not a single Democrat 292 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: senator was in the room. The hearing room was empty, 293 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: and that really spoke volumes that they don't want to 294 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: talk about this, and the problem is a political problem 295 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: in today's Democrat party. There is a real and meaningful 296 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party, and the Democrats 297 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: are terrified of that pro Hamas wing of the Democrat Party. 298 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: The question I've asked repeatedly, and look, most of the 299 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: people who listened to Verdict are I think politically right 300 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: of center, are conservative or libertarians. But we actually have 301 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: fair number of reporters who listened to Verdict, and you know, 302 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm hoping we have a handful of open minded, free 303 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: thinking liberals, people who consider themselves left of center, but 304 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: recognize that if you want to actually have an intelligent 305 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: understanding of the issues, then you want to hear from 306 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: a wide spectrum of views and try to process and 307 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: ascertain what is right. If you at home are one 308 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: of those, Let's say you're a Democrat who lives in 309 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 2: New York City. Let's say you voted for Kamala Harris, 310 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: you voted for Joe Biden, maybe you voted for Barack Obama. 311 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: If you disagree with the Prohamas wing of the Democrat Party, 312 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: if you don't like the vile anti Semites that have 313 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: flourished on college campuses and that have threatened the safety 314 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: of Jewish students, you ought to ask yourself, very seriously, 315 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: what happened in the last week Columbia got its money 316 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: cut off? A one of the organizers of the protests 317 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: is going to be deported. Why didn't any of that 318 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: happen under Joe Biden? There was nothing to prevent the 319 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: Biden administration from doing this. They had every bit of 320 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: legal authority. As far as I can tell, they didn't 321 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: even investigate it. They didn't ask where the money came from. 322 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: I certainly asked the Attorney General in the FBI repeatedly 323 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: if they were doing that, if they were investigating it. 324 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: They refused to tell the Senate. They refused to tell me. 325 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: And we do know that no one paid any consequences 326 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: for it because no one was indicted, and that ends 327 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: up encouraging more of this. And you have to ask yourself, 328 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: was that an accident or was there a reason? Listen, 329 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: if Kamala Harris, god forbid, had been elected president November, Ben, 330 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: let me ask you this, what do you think of 331 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: the odds Columbia would have had that four hundred million 332 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: cut off if Kamala Harris were president? 333 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 6: No, zero percent? 334 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: And I bet you the anti Semitism would explode on 335 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: college chemists is because they would not have any worries 336 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: at trunction. 337 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: She might be marching with the Prohamas protesters. And by 338 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: the way, this organizer who's being deported, the odds of 339 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: his being deported if Kamala were president are zero. Elections 340 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: have consequences, and this issue, this issue matters. 341 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this one student and expand on 342 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: that just for a second, because I do think this 343 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: is probably, in my opinion, more than just a quote example. 344 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: For me, this looks like this is the beginning. This 345 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: isn't just a one off. I think it's very clear 346 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: that Trump administration is saying if you were here as 347 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: a student on a visa and you go out and 348 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: you participate in this, yes there's going to be accountability. 349 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: We're not screwing around. I don't think this is the 350 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: last time we're going to see this. 351 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: Well, and there was an example I use in my 352 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: Senate questioning that I want to flesh out a little 353 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: bit because some people will say free speech, free speech, 354 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: and it is absolutely right that an American citizen has 355 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: a right to engage in free speech and to say 356 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: things that are horrible, that are bigoted, that are hateful. 357 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: You have a right to say that. I will defend 358 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: your right to say that, but it doesn't mean that 359 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: you are entitled to be immune from the consequences of 360 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: what you say. And so one example I gave if 361 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: you're a university student, and let's say a university student 362 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: dressed in a clan outfit and went on to campus 363 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: and burned across and began screaming that we should murder 364 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: all the African American students. If that university student was 365 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: an American citizen, he or she would have a First 366 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: Amendment right to say that. But I think the odds 367 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: are one hundred percent the university would expel them. There 368 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 2: could be consequences for your speech when they are so 369 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: vile and hateful. And if someone did that, advocating for 370 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: the murder of their fellow students, they would be expelled. Now, 371 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be incarcerated. It is not a crime to 372 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: say that. But a university would be with it its 373 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: rights to say that we are not going to tolerate 374 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: this level of hate directed our fellow students. That is 375 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: what the Prohamas protesters were saying when they said from 376 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: the River to the Sea, when they said at the 377 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: University of Washington to Jewish students, you go back to 378 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: the ovens. They were arguing. When that Columbius woman held 379 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: the sign saying al Cassom's next target, pointing at Jewish students, 380 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 2: they were arguing for their fellow students to be murdered 381 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: in this instance because they are Jews. A university is 382 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: fully within its right to expel that student for doing so. Now, Secondly, 383 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: if someone is not a US citizen, if they are 384 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: on a student visa, a student visa is a privilege. 385 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: It is the United States making the decision. We think 386 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: it is beneficial to us to let you come to 387 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: our country and study in our schools. It is a 388 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: permissive grant. And if you are organizing radical protests and 389 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: harassing Jewish students with vicious anti semitism and mind you, 390 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: vicious anti Americanism, these bastards are burning American flags while 391 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: in many instances taking federal money in student aid and 392 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: basking the protection of the federal government. Listen, I am 393 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: confident this guy is not the first foreigner who has 394 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: been a radical who's been admitted under the Obama administration 395 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: and Biden administration. Who's going to have his visa revoked, 396 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: and who's going to be deported and he should. It 397 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that an American who said that says this 398 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: would go to jail for saying it. But there are 399 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: consequences for speech, and that is entirely consistent with protecting 400 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: robust free speech. 401 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Well, let's remind people, because I do think it's so 402 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: important that people just remember where this started. And I 403 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: want to go back to the Harvard president over the 404 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: students calling and you mentioned this for Intifada on campus. 405 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: It was a very simple question. She was asked by 406 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: lisaphonic and it didn't go well. And that's where I 407 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: think there was that first moment for many Americans that 408 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: couldn't believe, as you described it, of these radical extremists 409 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: taking over our IVY leagues, taking over our college campuses, 410 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: beneath the IVY leagues, and indoctrinating people with this type 411 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: of hate. Let's go back to twenty twenty three. This 412 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: was back in December. On December fifth of twenty twenty three. 413 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 7: Doctor gay, a Harvard student calling for the mass murder 414 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 7: of African Americans is not protected free speech at Harvard. 415 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 6: Correct our commitment to it's a yes or no question. 416 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 6: Is that corrected? 417 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 7: Is that okay for students to call for the mass 418 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 7: murder of African Americans at Harvard? 419 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 6: Is that protected free speech? 420 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 8: Our commitment to free school. 421 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 6: It's a yes or no question. Let me ask you this. 422 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 7: You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar 423 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 7: with the term into fada. 424 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 6: Correct. 425 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 8: I've heard that term, yes. 426 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 7: And you understand that the use of the term into 427 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 7: fada in the context of the Israeli Arab conflict is 428 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 7: indeed a call for violent arm resistance against the state 429 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 7: of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. 430 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: Are you aware of that. 431 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 8: That type of hateful speech is personally abhorrent to me? 432 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 7: And there have been multiple marches at Harvard with students chanting, quote, 433 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 7: there is only one solution into fada revolution and quote 434 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 7: globalize the into fada. 435 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 6: Is that correct? 436 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 8: I've heard that thoughtless, reckless and hateful language on our campus. 437 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 7: So based upon your testimony, you understand that this call 438 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 7: for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people 439 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 7: in Israel and globally. 440 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 6: Correct. 441 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 8: I will say again that type of hateful speech is 442 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 8: personally abhorrent to me. 443 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 7: Do you believe that type of hateful speech is contrary 444 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 7: to Harvard's code of conduct? 445 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 6: Or is it allowed at Harvard? 446 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 8: It is at odds with the values of Harvard. 447 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 7: Can you not say here that it is against the 448 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 7: code of conduct at Harvard? 449 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 8: We embrace a commitment to free expression, even of views 450 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 8: that are objectionable, offensive, hateful. It's when that speech crosses 451 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 8: into conduct that violates our policies against bullying? 452 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 6: Does that speech not cross that barrier? 453 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 7: Does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews 454 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 7: and the elimination of Israel? When you testify that you 455 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 7: understand that is the definition of into fada? Is that 456 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 7: speech according to the code of conduct or not? 457 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 8: We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a 458 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 8: wide berth to free expression, even of views that are objectionable. 459 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 6: You and I both know that's not the case. 460 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 7: You are aware that Harvard ranked dead last when it 461 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 7: came to free speech? 462 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 6: Are you not aware of that report? 463 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 8: As I observed earlier, I reject that characterization. 464 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 6: It's the data shows it's true. 465 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 7: And isn't it true that Harvard previously rescinded multiple offers 466 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 7: of admissions for applicants and accepted freshmen for sharing offensive memes, 467 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 7: racist statements, sometimes as young as sixteen years old. Did 468 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 7: Harvard not rescind those offers of admission? 469 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 8: That long predates my time as president, But. 470 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 7: You understand that Harvard made that decision to rescin those 471 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 7: offers of admission. 472 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 8: I have no reason to contradict the facts as you 473 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 8: present them. 474 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 6: Correct, because it's a fact. 475 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 7: You're also aware that a Winthrop House faculty dean was 476 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 7: let go over for who he chose to legally represent. 477 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 6: Correct, that was while you were dean. 478 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 8: That is an incorrect characterization. Avoid transfer. 479 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 6: What's the characterization? 480 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 8: I'm not going to get into details about a personnel matter. 481 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 7: Well, let me ask you this, Will admissions offers be 482 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 7: rescinded or any disciplinary action be taken against students or 483 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 7: applicants who say from the River to the sea or 484 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 7: into Fada advocating for the murder of Jews? 485 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 8: As I've said, that type of hateful, reckless, offensive speech 486 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 8: is personally abhorrent to me. 487 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 6: And today that no action will be taken. 488 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 8: What action will be taken when speech crosses into conduct 489 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 8: that violates our policies, including policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation, 490 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 8: we take action, and we have robust disciplinary processes that 491 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 8: allow us to hold individuals accountable. 492 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 7: What action has been taken against students who are harassing 493 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 7: and calling for the genocide of Jews on Harvard's campus. 494 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 8: I can assure you we have robust. 495 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 6: What actions have been taken. 496 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 7: I'm not askingations underway, I'm asking what actions have been 497 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 7: taken against and students. 498 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 8: Given students' rights to privacy and our obligations under FURPA, 499 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 8: I will not say more about any specific cases other 500 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 8: than to reiterate that processes are ongoing. 501 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 6: Do you know what the number one hate crime in 502 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 6: America is? 503 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 8: I know that over the last couple of months there 504 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 8: has been an alarming rise of anti Semitism, which I 505 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 8: understand is the critical topic that we are here to discuss. 506 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 6: That's correct it. 507 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm just going to stop it there, and I think 508 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: it's so important just to remind people of where we were. 509 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, Senator, elections have consequences. The good 510 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: news is she's no longer the president. 511 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: And that testimony ended her tenure within days. Any immediate 512 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: fallout of that testimony, she lost her job. Now, mind you, 513 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: Harvard gave her a cushy job paying her nine hundred 514 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year, so they're still she's just not 515 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: the president anymore. But they didn't run very far. 516 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: No, and others at least lost their jobs being in charge. 517 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: But like you said, I still think there's a lot 518 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: of this on college campuses. I still think it would 519 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: be flourishing if we didn't have Donald Trump in office. 520 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: And that's why this moment for us to not, as 521 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: I would say, stop, shine the light on this is 522 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: so vitally important. Fully agree, don't forget. We do the 523 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Hit that subscriber auto download 524 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: button wherever you get your podcasts. We will keep talking 525 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: about these important issues even after the media stops and 526 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: moves on to something else, because it is important and 527 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: the Senate and I will see you back here on 528 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning.