1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name they called me Ben. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Remember to say the whole 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: thing most importantly, you are you, You are here, and 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you two knows 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: weekly listener Mail episode. We always say that you, specifically 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: you are the most important part of the show, and 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: this is where we prove it to be the case. 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: So every week we take one of our favorite pieces 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: of listener mail and we share it with each other, 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: ed more importantly, with you. We've got we've got an 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: interesting GRABACTA. We've got some hot takes, gentlemen, we really do. 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: And we're going to begin with a message from Ed. Hello, 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: listen from Kentucky. I just lostened to COVID three. I 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: had no idea that there were people that actually believe 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 1: COVID had anything to do with five. That blows my arm. Yeah, 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: there's definitely a conspiracy to spread this conspiracy theory scientific 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: American General. I'd like to do a class action law 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: FOOD against them to remove the main scientific from their magazine. 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm signed up for a nationwide seminars teaching me how 25 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: five G definitely arms humans and we have proof of 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: this bull craft. This is so called experts making money 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: selling books, selling pamphlets, and holding red seminars to tell 28 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: us a bunch of monsense. Please still free to call 29 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: me back. Take advantage of my twenty years of being 30 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: exposed to radio frequency for the tall industry and my 31 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: experience with five because I have worked with five G 32 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: and then and I didn't get six. I'm so healthy 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: and I'm still working. Thank goodness. That's awesome. Now bye, 34 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: we'll tell us how you really feel ed. Ed is fantastic. 35 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: I took his advice and I gave him a call. 36 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: He left six messages in total, just so everybody knows um. 37 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: And much of it was about his work in the 38 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: cellular industry, in repairing, in mitigating issues, and doing all 39 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: sorts of things to install the infrastructure that we depend 40 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: on to use these tiny little mobile devices, the one 41 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: that you're probably listening to this on right now, and 42 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: my goodness, he felt so strongly about it. UH is 43 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: so strongly against the concept that the COVID nineteen or 44 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: coronavirus could have anything whatsoever to do with five G, 45 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: as well as the concept that five G itself is 46 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: somehow more dangerous than any of the other LTE versions 47 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: that have existed in the past. Um. I've got some 48 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: notes from him, but I just on the face of 49 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: that of what he's saying, how do you how do 50 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you guys react to it? Well? First off, Ed from Kentucky, 51 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for calling in. Uh. I can 52 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: confirm all the research that I've found shows that there 53 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: is a clear disconnect there from the way that COVID 54 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: operates of five G wouldn't do anything to help or 55 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: to hinder it. It's it's fascinating because you know, COVID 56 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: is just an iteration right of other related viruses, right, 57 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: it's novel, But it's novel the way that like Police 58 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: Academy four is the fourth and best police academy, you 59 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's it's not some new thing 60 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: that needs five G. However, Ed you hit on a 61 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: fantastic point that I want to go back to either 62 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: now or in the future, which is there is a 63 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy related to five G and COVID, and that conspiracy 64 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: is to spread disinformation about the two, and that conspiracy 65 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: is taking place, but on a state level, it is 66 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: a state sponsored conspiracy. Theory is propagated by the Russian government. 67 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: That is in my mind conclusive. That's really really interesting, 68 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: just the concept that it could be Russia or it 69 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: is Russia spreading it to to one end exactly to 70 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: to breed distrust and chaos. I suppose that would be 71 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: one of the primary reasons right to weaken your enemy 72 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: in some way. Right. The idea of asymmetrical information warfare 73 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: is it gives you a lot of bang for your 74 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: buck if you can't combat military and what was once called, 75 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, the normal ways of waging war. In our 76 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: earlier conversations about the kind of reasoning that goes into 77 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: Russian foreign policy, we talked a little bit about a 78 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: book called Foundations of Geopolitics. There's a guy who is 79 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: kind of like Alex Jones. If people in government paid 80 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: attention to Alex Jones and followed his advice, he was 81 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: very popular in Russia for a time. He influenced a 82 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: lot of military thinking. And one of the one of 83 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: the big missions of information warfare against the US at 84 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: least and against the West, UH in terms of Europe 85 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: as well, is to fracture and divide the conversation. So 86 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: the same the same operation that's propagating these myths that 87 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: just don't add up for everything we know about five 88 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: G and everything we know about viruses, they're also propagating 89 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: and disseminating information about UM for like they're aiding and 90 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: embetting supremacist groups right of of all stripes, of all types, 91 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: and the reason for this is to ultimately foment domestic unrest. 92 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: This conspiracy theory has been incredibly successful in the United Kingdom, 93 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: where people have literally been burning down five G towers 94 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: because they feel that they are, uh, they are propagating 95 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. I you know, I found this article um 96 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: or I guess it was a radio piece and NPR 97 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: just talking about like the anatomy of a COVID nineteen conpiracy, 98 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: and it kind of starts UM with this notion that, uh, 99 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, this was something that was created by global 100 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: elites like Bill Gates, etcetera UM that will in order 101 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: to UH force people to get vaccinations that are implanted 102 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: with tracking chips that are then activated by five G technology. 103 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: And then the only reason that we have to stand 104 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: six ft apart is because that's the military protocol distance 105 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: for which you know, people can accurately be scanned into 106 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: the system. And it just kind of escalates from there 107 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and then becaus more and more bonkers, And um, where 108 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: did this come from? Though? The whole five G thing, like, 109 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I just felt like it was just out of the 110 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: clear blue sky. I know there was a Twitter account 111 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: that was established early on that was spreading a lot 112 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: of this difference information called at five G Coronavirus nineteen, 113 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: which sent out about three tweets in just seven days 114 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and then was deactivated. That is that the origin that 115 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: you guys are familiar with? Or where where is this 116 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: coming from? Do you do? You guys remember when we 117 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: talked to David Ike, and I think we mentioned this 118 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: on an episode previously, but when we spoke with David Ike, 119 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: the last thing that he said to us before we 120 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: finished the discussion with him was that five He told 121 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: us about five G and how dangerous it is and 122 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: it's coming, ye, the New World Order is coming to 123 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: enslave us with five G. Yeah, that's an excellent memory, Matt. 124 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: You're right, and it was sort of like a teaser 125 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: right of a shape of things to come, but but 126 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: ultimately been. What I'm saying is that he he was 127 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: afraid of it then, and there were rumors about five 128 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: G and it's dangers then, far far before coronavirus was 129 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: ever a thing for us to worry about. That's yeah. 130 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: It's like a fear of technology in a way, I guess, yeah, 131 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: And it's something we see with any other rollout of 132 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: technology right when people were well, we can't say any 133 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: rollout because people were way less concerned about X rays 134 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: than they should have been. Uh, they were X raying 135 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: their feet at shoe stores as a novelty. But but 136 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: I think we see that. We've seen other concerns with 137 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: cell phones when cell phones in general rolled out right, 138 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and there were that you know, we can't fully dismiss 139 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: people's valid concerns about five G in general because the 140 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: technology doesn't have longitudinal studies. We know that a lot 141 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: of the alarmism about it is just that alarmism. But 142 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: there there's an interesting thing. I wanted to dry everybody's 143 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: attention to the work of a Harvard sociologist named Kathleen Carly. 144 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: She's made some great progress on studying the spread of 145 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: this misinformation. First off, the the the German nation of 146 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: this kind of story is actively obscured usually right like, 147 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: think about if you're running a puppeteering propaganda campaign, you 148 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: want to work through different proxies. Kathleen Carley found that 149 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: not only does false news seem to travel about six 150 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: times faster on social media than real news because real 151 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: news is a little less exciting, but she also found 152 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: that in COVID nineteen related activity on Twitter, seventy percent 153 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: of it was conducted by bots. Seventy percent of the 154 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: accounts relaying information about COVID nineteen also bots. So there's 155 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: something something stinky and the Twitter sphere there. Well, you 156 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: know who's not about you, guys. Ed I'm gonna give 157 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: you a rundown of the rest of the stuff that 158 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: he told me about. Okay, all right, So he's been 159 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: working in that field for twenty years. He installed the 160 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: original radios that are on the cell towers that were 161 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: used for LTE when LTE technology was first really introduced, 162 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: or he was he was a part of that, and 163 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: what they're doing now, at least with the company for 164 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: which he works, they are taking those same old radios 165 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: and just changing them a little bit for them to 166 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: work with the five G technology, because ultimately it's just 167 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: changing the wavelengths at which these things are going to 168 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: be transmitting, at least the big ones. When you look 169 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: a little deeper into five G, you realize that there 170 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: are three separate bandwidths essentially in which they function. The 171 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: one that you'll hear a lot about is the high 172 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: frequency ones, and that's where you have to be really 173 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: close or relatively close to the radio emitter to actually 174 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: get the technology to function. But he's working on, at 175 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: least to my understanding after speaking with that, he's working 176 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: on the big radios, the broadcasters essentially that are on 177 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: the large towers that you have to climb up. The 178 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: dude climbs up like two hundred to four hundred feet 179 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: just on an every three day job. Just you saying 180 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: that out loud gave me like vertigo. But he is 181 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: physically on like strapped to these giant antenna and climbing 182 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: up them and getting hit directly with these waves. The 183 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: technology of the radio waves and the the the RF 184 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: essentially interference is hitting him. And he said he's never 185 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: been sick because of any of this stuff. He has 186 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: been literally installing the five G and changing the tech 187 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: to make it five G and he's not feeling sick 188 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: at all, and he's been right in front of the things. 189 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Do they have to wear any kind of shielding at 190 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: all or like anything? You know, I would think just 191 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: even if you know it wasn't like proven to cause cancer, 192 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: which I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying, you know, 193 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: that level of of electro magnetic whatever it is, you 194 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: think they would wear something to to shield their innerds 195 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: from it. No, it's you have to be careful if 196 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: you're going to stand right in front of a few 197 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: of the different ones that you can encounter when you 198 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: go up on those antenna because there's several a lot 199 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: of times, there's several different types of emitters that are 200 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: on those things. There are a few that you have 201 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: to be careful of. He said, he got sick one 202 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: time from an FM radio emitter. Actually interesting, and it's 203 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: just because he happened. It happened to be transmitting so 204 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: um strongly that when he first arrives to the site. 205 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: He and the guy he was there with they could 206 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: hear the radio station coming through the steel leg of 207 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: the antenna. As they're about the climate. But but that's 208 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: like here in Atlanta, the Georgia State UH emitters of 209 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: I forget how many watts it is at the g 210 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: s U which is now the NPR station. They tan 211 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: w rs. They transmit at a very high rate there. 212 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: It's very powerful and some weird stuff can happen with 213 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: that transmission. A couple of last things, I promise um. 214 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: He did say there is one thing you need to 215 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: be careful with when you're using one G, two G, 216 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: three four five G technology, and he said, that's where 217 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: you keep your phone. He said, you've gotten antenna in 218 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: your phone, whatever you're using, and that thing, just like 219 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: the cell tower up there, is broadcasting because there's a 220 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: there's a feedback loop where there's an information loop that's occurring, 221 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: and at all times your phone is broadcasting through that antenna. 222 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: He said, Just don't hold it up to your ear, 223 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, like a phone, and don't keep it in 224 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: your pocket near your stuff you're at You're Australia, he said, 225 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: because that is genuinely dangerous. That's what he says. Wait wait, wait, 226 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: wait wait, So he's saying the phone is problematic, but 227 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: the giant emitters are harmless. That doesn't make any sense 228 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: to well, he said, According to Ed, it has to 229 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: do with proximity. All of this has to do with proximity, 230 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: and that's where you can come into problems because it's 231 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: broadcasting just you know, everywhere, in all directions, at all times, 232 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: and that is a type of radiation. So, Matt, one 233 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,359 Speaker 1: thing I think is incredibly important here about your conversation 234 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,479 Speaker 1: with Ed is the myth busting there about radio radio frequency, 235 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: because that's something that I think a lot of our 236 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: astute listeners tuned into poor choice of words maybe when 237 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: they said, wait, the radio waves that I hear in 238 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: my car, that that that is dangerous as opposed to 239 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: a cell phone. And then you nailed it with the 240 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: conversation about proximity. As far as we know, the science 241 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: today assures us that the radiation cell phones give off 242 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: is a low energy type of radiation, the low end 243 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: of the M spectrum. That means it's safer than the 244 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: high energy radiation like X rays or gamma rays. Those 245 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: are high enough energy to give off what's called ionizing radiation. 246 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: They can ionize an atom or a molecule. Why is 247 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: that important because that means it can damage cell d NA. 248 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: Why is that important because that can lead to cancer. 249 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: R F is not powerful enough to do that. But again, 250 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, as a as a lay person here, not 251 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: an expert, I think in general it's just it's just 252 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: smart not to have electronics by your unmentionables. I don't 253 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: think your brain. So Ben, just just to clarify for 254 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: for me, um So, it's about the size of the wave, right, 255 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: Like smaller waves can get inside you and like disrupt tissue, 256 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: whereas our F is larger, they're larger waves. And is 257 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the deal with five G, Like what differentiates five G 258 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: from four G? Is it the size of the wave 259 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: or is it like the means of transmission. I've always 260 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: been a little foggy on that too. There's a thing 261 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear bandied about all over the place online 262 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: right now, and that is millimeter wave technology. You're you're 263 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna hear that a lot, and five G is considered 264 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: this millimeter wave technology. But again, as we're kind of 265 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: talking about earlier, five G can function on several different bandwidths. 266 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: I think it's twenty eight giga hurts is the high 267 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: band that's the one that is potentially the version that 268 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: a long time ago when we made that episode, we 269 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: cited it as being potentially dangerous depending on how close 270 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: you are to it. Again, it's proximity, and I would 271 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: say there's also longitudinal studies that that we would need 272 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: to have to have a hundred percent science. But another 273 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: big myth, uh and Ed from Kentucky, I hope you 274 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: appreciate us busting this one. To five G is not 275 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: some new magic thing. Five G. The frequencies that are 276 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: used and what's been called five G have been used 277 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: in the past for play any of other stuff like 278 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: television broadcast. Right, So if five G is unsafe, then 279 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: five G has been unsafe for decades, you know what 280 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean. Does this have to do with the elimination 281 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: of like television broadcast over the air, and that's why 282 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: this is able to come in Okay. Ed described it 283 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: to me as in basically, the frequencies all just kind 284 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: of shifted hands where the police band radio or the 285 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: police radio bands changed with another thing because the television 286 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: bands went digital. And they all just kind of shifted 287 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: who gets to use what at what frequencies. That's interesting, okay, 288 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: because I remember when that happened, there was definitely talk 289 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: of some things to come, so I guess we really 290 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: kind of seeing it now. Interesting. So the last thing 291 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: I would just say about Ed is that it was 292 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: tremendously good to hear from somebody who actually does a 293 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: thing and understands the technology because he has to, because 294 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: he installs them and fixes them. Uh. It was tremendous, 295 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: really good to hear from him that in his twenty 296 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: years of experience he has had nothing but one time 297 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: where he felt a little sick because he was right 298 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: up against this giant FM radio emit her because he 299 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: was literally there and just really quickly. I wasn't trying 300 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: to question your your description of, you know, not getting 301 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: sick from the transmitters, but potentially being careful with the phone. 302 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I think I misunderstood the whole proximity aspect of that 303 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: when Matt was talking about in the first place. But yeah, 304 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: super appreciate the insider info here, so thanks so much. 305 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Ed from Kentucky. I don't know why I love I 306 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: love seeing people's names and whether they're from. So thank 307 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: you for tuning in. And it sounds like you are 308 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: very familiar with audio messages as well as their delivery, 309 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: So thanks for tuning into stuff they don't want you 310 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: to know, out of all the out of all the 311 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: other things we could have found, and we hope you 312 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: keep us in the loop as you see more things 313 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: developing here. And you know, as well as everybody else 314 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: familiar with the five G misinformation and disinformation out there, 315 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: way in let us know your firsthand experience. It's invaluable. 316 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: And with that, we're going to take a quick word 317 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, but we'll be right back with another 318 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: message from you, and we're back and we're going to 319 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: continue in our Corona virus theme here. UM specifically coronavirus conspiracies. 320 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Um I mentioned that piece on NPR that kind of 321 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: detailed the anatomy and the breakdown of how these conspiracies 322 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: uh sort of flow. UM, and we have a call 323 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: from an anonymous listener who had a question about another 324 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: one of those Hey, guys, I really love the show. 325 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: I've been a fan for quite some time and um 326 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: I figured after hearing the episode on COVID nineteen and 327 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: UM it's recent developments here in the US. I would 328 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: just throw out a couple of ideas that came to mind. 329 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: You know, obviously, it is a real pandemic and people 330 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: unfortunately are becoming seriously ill depending on their age and demographics. 331 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: But could this have possibly been a bio attack internalized 332 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: as a result of what was going on in Hong 333 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Kong um and maybe this was some response from the 334 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: government there. That's the possible idea. And then the other, 335 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, jarring thing about this pandemic is how much 336 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: coverage it's gotten in comparison to other previous pandemics that 337 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: arguably have had um more drastic and more devastating results. 338 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to discredit, you know, anyone who phycifically 339 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: knows someone who's been infected or those who have been infected. 340 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: Just some food for thought, and I hope everyone as well. 341 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the call um for first were 342 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: mainly going to addrest the first one there, but I 343 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to quickly what other pandemics is he talking 344 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: about that that didn't get as much coverage. I'm confused 345 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: about what he's referring to. Well, I mean, if you 346 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: look back historically, the h one in one that was 347 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: almost a pandemic or was well, no, it wasn't, but 348 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: it was an outbreak, pretty serious outbreak for each one 349 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: in one stars for several other But but I think 350 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: the reason those didn't this is much more all encompassing 351 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: because it's just more all encompassing, right, Like, it's like 352 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: absolutely a pandemic, and it is having real ramifications on 353 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: regular day to day activities more so than those did. 354 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: Even if they were technically more deadly, you know, they 355 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: affected a much smaller group of people. Am I misreading that? No? Okay, okay, 356 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: So we got that one out the way. The first one, 357 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: I think is a very interesting question. That's certainly one 358 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: that was has been bandied about a bit, and it's 359 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: this idea that could the coronavirus could it have been 360 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: a manufactured, purposefully released uh, example of bio terrorism. This 361 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: is something that's that's you know, been kicked around the 362 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: internet a lot since this came out, and I think 363 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: we can unequivocally say several things about about this question. 364 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: There's a really great article on the Washington Post um 365 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: written by a guy named Dan cassaz Ada, who is 366 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: a London based chemical and biological defense specialists UM who's 367 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: worked with the U. S. Army and the Pentagon and 368 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: the White House and also the Secret Service, and he 369 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: very specifically talks about how the United States hasn't had 370 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: a biological weapons division since the nineteen seventies. UM, So 371 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: that's a thing. So essentially, if we were to do this, UM, 372 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: not that the accusation is that we did it to 373 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: other countries or to ourselves or anything. UM, we would 374 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: essentially be breaking our own laws or we would be 375 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: going outside of our you know, programs that actually exist. 376 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: The most important part, though, is the logistics of it 377 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: just don't make sense for that application. UM. You know, 378 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: for a country to use this, uh is a biological weapon. 379 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: If that were the case, it's essentially so communicable that 380 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: and it's been spread just through regular transit and commerce, 381 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: UM that it just has there's no way of controlling 382 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: and there's no way of isolating it, uh to to 383 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: only your enemies. And obviously we're seeing this thing spread wide, 384 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: far and wide into every you know, possible nation that 385 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: exists on this planet. UH. You know, you don't want 386 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: to unlease something that you can't control, if that's your 387 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: if that's your goal. So to answer I think to 388 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: answer the question you started with, Noel, Yes, it absolutely 389 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: could be designed as a bioweapon if the people designing 390 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: it were terrible at their jobs and should be fired immediately. 391 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: Uh you mentioned the Washington Post article. Uh, yeah, I'm 392 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with that when I think that's from April, right, 393 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: and we had looked at as we said in a 394 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: previous episode our series on COVID, UH, the issue is communicability, right. 395 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: I think I overuse that fantasian reference with came mouse again, 396 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: but I would say another issue with it is the 397 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: lack of uh fatalities there. Right, It's the same old 398 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: conspiracy lore we've heard with people alleging the h i 399 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: V or AIDS acquired through hiv IS is itself a bioweapon. 400 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: The problem is if you want to use a bioweapon, 401 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: and human beings have been doing this for a very 402 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: very long time, then you want to first yeah, you 403 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: want to address what you're talking about or what the 404 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Washington Post talking about in terms of communicability and targeting capacity. 405 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: But secondly, you want to make sure that it actually 406 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: incapacitates people. And sometimes we conflate UH being fatal with incapacitating, 407 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: you just need the other army to not be able 408 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: to function. And if you're being very, very villainous, you 409 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: would want maybe if you're trying to wipe a population 410 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: out and you for some reason can't kill them all 411 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: at once, you would want to stare all eyes them. 412 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: And no one has made as far as we know officially, 413 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: no one has deployed a bioweapon like that. So if 414 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: if COVID nineteen was designed to be a bioweapon, it 415 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: was very poorly designed. It's kind of like making a 416 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of like building a pretty good car for 417 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a yacht race, right, you won't do very well once 418 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you get off the shore. It's like bringing a taser 419 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: to a machine gun fight. You know, I don't know 420 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: yours was better. Uh, but no, it's true. And also 421 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: like I didn't really realize, you know, a lot of 422 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: what we think of in terms of this article makes 423 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: this point beautifully in terms of like bio terrorism is 424 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: the idea of unleashing total chaos and annihilation, and just 425 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: like anarchy, like watching the world burn, just kill them all, 426 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: and that doesn't really make sense either. It needs to 427 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: be much more strategic than that and much more, like 428 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: you said, Ben controllable. Well what Okay, I don't even 429 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: want to say the things I'm thinking because I don't 430 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: want to lead to any more Internet rumor or fearmongering 431 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: or any of that, because we've talked about a lot 432 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: of this in those previous episodes, as you mentioned then, um, 433 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: and I don't want to go too far into it, 434 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: but it does feel as though if an actor, a 435 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: state actor, or even a segment within within that state, 436 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: wanted to do something that would cripple the current global 437 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: economy and the power players within that global economy, if 438 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: you created something similar to COVID nineteen and the coronavirus, 439 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: that could be effective even even if it did affect 440 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: your own country and your own economy in the state 441 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: where you're working. If the end goal is to cripple 442 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: the some of the major players in the global economy 443 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: more than you, I guess so that even if you 444 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: know you're going to take a bullet to the leg 445 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: or to the side, you're not going to take one 446 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: in any vital organs. If does that make sense? Yeah? 447 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really good point because we 448 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: have to consider the motivations if there is someone purposefully 449 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: crafting a weapon, if there's a weapon ear, a bio 450 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: weapon ear here, then what do they want? Do they 451 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: just want to see the world burn? Uh? If so, 452 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to maintain, uh, they could have done a 453 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: better job. It is a horrible disease that's leading to death. 454 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: But you know, again, to your point, Matt, maybe the 455 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: aim here is just to disrupt, not to not to 456 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: actually kill everyone who's contracting it. But to that point, 457 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: I would also advance, Well, I think you're you're making 458 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: a very fair point. We have to be careful to 459 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: recognize that there are numerous opportunists who are weaponizing COVID, 460 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: even if it was not meant to be used as 461 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: a weapon, they're weaponizing it for a political aim, or 462 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: their weaponizing it for an economic opportunity. Right this country 463 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: A is shut down, so come to country b our 464 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: factories are still open, you know what I mean? Like that, 465 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to have hatched the original conspiracy to 466 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: create your own conspiracy based on it, you know what 467 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's my opinion. Again, that's hypothetical. We 468 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: don't I don't have any proof. You guys might, but 469 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't have any proof that there's a that there's 470 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: that level of opportunism going on, but we do know. 471 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: You just have to read the news to know that 472 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: multiple uh political actors in multiple countries are definitely using 473 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: covid as as a framework for whatever goals they want 474 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: to accomplish. Now that's just politics. That's a really good point, agreed. Uh, Well, 475 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: I think we could take another quick break. Yeah, and 476 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: then we have one more UM listener message and we've 477 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: returned our last piece of listener correspondence. Today comes from 478 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Abbey with a question that I wanted to bring to 479 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: you all because I feel like this could be a 480 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: pretty strong future episode and I'm surprised we haven't talked 481 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: about it before. Hey guys, UM, my name is Abby, UM, 482 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: longtime listener and fan. UM. I just wanted to ask 483 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: if y'all had ever done an episode or any like 484 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: YouTube about standardized testing. And why I am specifically asking 485 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: is because I'm about to take the bar exam in July, 486 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: and UM, the measures that the National Board of Bar Examiners, 487 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: as well as each individual state have gone to to 488 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: protect and uphold this exam has been insane, and you 489 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: know they're still trying to hold it in the middle 490 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: of the pandemic UM, and you know, not a lot 491 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: of states are being very flexible. So I was just 492 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna see if you guys had ever done an episode 493 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: on standardized testing and UM, if y'all had ever done 494 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: some investigation into that, because it seems incredibly fishy and 495 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: clearly UM has shown evidence of being UM, you know, 496 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: having discriminatory outcomes, UM even just from the S A 497 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: T s too, like high school standardized testing and everything 498 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: like that. So thank you, thanks for calling in. Abby. 499 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: This is one of those increasingly rare moments for us 500 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: when we hear a topic and think, how the hell 501 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: have we not covered this over a decade or so 502 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: of doing this show in one form or another. Now, 503 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: if you are one of our US listeners, you know 504 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: exactly what Abby is talking about with standardized testing. Every 505 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: time throughout your grade school, college, and post college career 506 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: that you had to sit in a room, get a 507 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: timer from like a proctor, lift up a pencil or 508 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: a pen right, and you had to read a page 509 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: that was just these very weird specific instructions about how 510 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: to take the test, and then you had you know, 511 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: my favorite part of those little scantron or blue book things. 512 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Was always the one page that says this page was 513 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: intentionally left blank, and it's not blank because they wrote 514 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: this page is intentionally left blank on it. But you know, 515 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: it's weird that we have not done something about standardized testing. 516 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: I've mentioned it a lot on the air over the years, 517 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: the problems with defining, much less measuring intelligence. In the 518 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: very beginning, right, we know that the i Q test 519 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: has a ton of problems. We also know that standardized 520 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: testing it often falls short of its theoretical mark. We 521 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: know that it's a it's vulnerable to corruption on multiple levels. 522 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: We also know that they're brilliant. No fully, no hyperbole. 523 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: There are brilliant people who don't take test well, you 524 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's someone who can hear an 525 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: entire classical composition sit on piano and they can play it. 526 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: They could just hear it once and play it. But 527 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: maybe they have a really difficult time reading written paragraphs 528 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: or something, perhaps due to dyslexia or due to some 529 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: other uh specific learning ability in that in that cluster, 530 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: and without going into the idea of multiple intelligences and 531 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: things like that, we know that these kind of forms. 532 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: These forms of standardized testing can be misused, and they 533 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: can be abused, and we know that they also there 534 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: is very compelling evidence that they play a role in 535 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: what is sometimes called a performance gap across that's we 536 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: get one demographic of test taking population seems to do 537 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: better or worse than another demographic, and and you don't 538 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: really know why because by every other metric these students 539 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: are equal. M This is something we have discussed a 540 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: couple of times with regards to public education versus I 541 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: think it was charter schools. Maybe we had a conversation 542 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: about because of a listener prior to this UM. It 543 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: was a long time ago. So I'm just gonna echo 544 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: you Ben to say thank you to Abby for for 545 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: writing in about this UM. If you go online and 546 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: search for, you know, issues with standardized testing problems, any 547 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: whatever keyword you want to use, you will find many 548 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: of the issues that been just outlined for you. And 549 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: it's written by a lot of times professionals who have 550 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: been in the field, you know, as educators for decades, 551 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: who are just decrying the practice and saying, hey, there 552 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: is a better way. There has to be a better way. 553 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: We just need to get together and make it happen, 554 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: or change the standards to a different standard of testing, right. Yeah, 555 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: And there's there's one thing that we hit on. You know, 556 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: some of us on the show right now may have 557 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: a bit of personal bias because we have teachers in 558 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: our personal lives or our families. One thing I know 559 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: that a lot of our fellow listeners in the crowd 560 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: who are working in education now can agree to is 561 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: that depending on what part of the world you live in, 562 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: and depending on what part of the United States you 563 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: live in, uh, the system sometimes emphasizes teaching to the test. 564 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: The phrase teaching to the test means that a lot 565 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: of these kids may be stuck in a situation and 566 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: their instructors may be stuck in a situation where it 567 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: is more important to learn how to do well on 568 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: a specific milestone test than it is to actually learn 569 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: the skills being imparted, which is dangerous. You know. It's 570 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: also why we have cheating scandals, right because there's so 571 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: much emphasis placed on the importance of these standardized tests 572 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of teachers feel really helpless and they 573 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna lose funding or they're gonna lose 574 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: their jobs. If they don't make those numbers, it's all 575 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: a numbers game. So in Atlanta, in particular Atlanta Public schools, 576 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: we had a huge cheating scandal that was systematic, but 577 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: it was also like you understand where this is coming from. 578 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: Not to condone it, but it's definitely like the pressure 579 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: to make those quotas you know, is immense. So for 580 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: anyone who is currently raising a child, anyone who is 581 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: currently going through formalized schooling where where in these tests 582 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: are are critical. I want to give an impactful anecdote 583 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: that unfortunately happens more than once. This is how standardized 584 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: testing can play a huge role in people's lives. Suicide 585 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: rates in Japan go up when it's entrance exam season. 586 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: People will students will take their own lives if they 587 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: feel they have not qualified well or performed well. And also, 588 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: if we're teaching for or a test, if we are 589 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: teaching a specific performance, that is what a test is. 590 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: A test is a specific performance just like uh, you know, 591 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: without being dismissive, because a lot of smart people with 592 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: the best of intentions have worked on standardized testing, right, 593 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: it is teaching a performance. So at what point do 594 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: we lose critical thinking and prioritize wrote r O T E. Memorization. 595 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: It's dangerous because, at the risk of sounding cliche, the 596 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: big thing nobody tells you about standardized tests when you're 597 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: a kid is that you don't run into them often 598 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: in the real world. You know you're not going to 599 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: be in uh A lot of situations where all of 600 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: a sudden you have a multiple choice question and you 601 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: have fifteen minutes to figure out the word problem and 602 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: people tell you when to put your pencils up or down. 603 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: The world needs critical thinking, and it does need memorization, 604 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: and we do to have a standard to measure success. Right. 605 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: But the opponents of the current standardized testing systems will 606 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: point out that they, you know, their problems with a 607 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: questions about how much they do or don't prepare people 608 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: for the quote unquote real world. And then to the 609 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: bar exams specifically to the s A T s, to 610 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: the m cats and such. Those are industries. Those are 611 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: industries that make a huge amount of money. It's it's 612 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: a leviathan in the billions if you look at standardized 613 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: testing overall. So what is the impetus to change it? 614 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: If the motive is profit? And we're profiting. Why rock 615 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: the Apple cars? Why rock the scantry car? So yeah, 616 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: So so it was like s a T prep you know, 617 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: and like a CT prep that's an industry in and 618 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: of itself, you know, of scale. But you're right those 619 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: other tests there that actually the tests themselves are money 620 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: making industries. That's it's it's a really good pointed and 621 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: think about um. But you know, like to your point, 622 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: then I feel like all of the best stuff that 623 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: I learned in college I didn't learn in college. I 624 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: learned on the job. I learned just figuring things out 625 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: and having to kind of sink or swim. And I 626 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: certainly can't just fake your way through being a lawyer. 627 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: You definitely need like a wealth of like you know, 628 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: memorized information and case law and all that. But I 629 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: don't know, it's interesting that the wondering what the middle 630 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: ground version of that looks like. There there's an article 631 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: on Harvard Politics dot com just talking about a lot 632 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: of this, and they cite um Richard Rothstein as it's 633 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: the author of Class and Schools. It's a book that 634 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: you can find. It's actually out of stock in several 635 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: places that I've looked for it, but it really emphasizes 636 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: what you're talking about their null um and ben the 637 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: prep industry that is there, the test prep industry, because 638 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: there's so much to it there, the books, the actual 639 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: services that you can pay for. It all costs a 640 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: bunch of money. The only way you can get those 641 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: services is if you have the dispensable income to spend 642 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: on those things, right, And then you realize that what 643 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: you're actually or at least according to Rothstein, what you're 644 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: actually measuring by doing standardized testing, is the socioeconomic status 645 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: of that school district and that specific school. And that's 646 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: really what it becomes. So in this weird way, it 647 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: has more to do with real estate than anything else. 648 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: I don't know about anything else, but it definitely plays 649 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: a much more pivotal role. I mean, think about this. 650 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: You're a politician you want to get reelected, right, Or 651 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: you're a real estate developer you want to sell some 652 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: houses in a certain district or a zip code. You 653 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: want a metric. If you're a politician, right, or you're 654 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: a superintendent you're in the administrative field. You can't just say, 655 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: or you shouldn't be able to just say anecdotally, you know, 656 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: kids do pretty well in schools here. You want to 657 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: have a test that has appears to have good results, 658 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: and then you want to control those results such that 659 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: they always appear to be, if not great, improving right 660 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: on a study. As long as I'm in office, great. 661 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: And if you are real estate, um, if you're involved 662 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: in the real estate industry, of course, location, location, location. 663 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: I believe that schools and zip codes play to your appointment. Um. 664 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: I hope I didn't interject too soon. They play critical 665 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: role in the value of any house, even just a 666 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: plot of land, right, Yeah, I would say, And no, 667 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: you can probably speak to this before having a child, 668 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: Before thinking about having a child, even I never would 669 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: have considered that where I live is not it's not 670 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: gonna have anything to do with the house of the apartment, 671 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: wherever it is, how far away it is from the highway. 672 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: The number one factor is would I be comfortable sending 673 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: my child to the public schools in this area? Yeah? 674 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, well, no, I wasn't the ones that are 675 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: rated low. You look at those numbers and it has 676 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: to do with test scores, But it's scary when you 677 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 1: just see the number that's what three? Am I doing 678 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: good enough? For my child. But when you realize that 679 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: that number is actually has nothing to do with the 680 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: quality of the teacher, It's true, it's true. I completely agree, 681 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: And so we have her in a charter school now. Um. 682 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: And here's the thing too, with with everything being online now, 683 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean her her school is gonna be online for 684 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: at least the first six weeks, if not longer. I wonder, 685 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, if that that that's so so based on 686 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: technology and kind of standardization, and I don't know, I 687 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: worry that maybe it's gonna feel less one on one 688 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: and more kind of this hive mind kind of approach 689 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: to to teaching. Now, these are that related, But you 690 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: shod you see what I'm saying. Like the concern, I 691 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's just all of it worries me. 692 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm worried about a lot of stuff, you know, strange 693 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: times because especially when we consider to the note about 694 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: class as in socioeconomic class and opportunities for education, uh, 695 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: we we see that there is tremendous danger for students 696 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: in historically disadvantaged areas to efficial to essentially be run 697 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: out of schools because so many, so many places, uh, 698 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: prioritize education in their lip service and their speech to 699 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: the constituents, and they treat it in the opposite fashion 700 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to the line item budget under review. 701 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: I still remember I have many, many, many teachers in 702 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: my family, and I still remember how much blood, sweat 703 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: and personal tears these people put in as individuals just 704 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: to help kids because the the government and community that 705 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: was supposed to do it doesn't come through. I bet 706 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: if you back listening now, I bet if you pick 707 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 1: one teacher, one teacher out of your entire past from 708 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: pre K to college and probably grad school and on. 709 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: I bet if you just pick one teacher at random 710 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: and you asked them if they ever had to spend 711 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: out a pocket for their students, if they ever had 712 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: to work hours they weren't being paid, I bet you 713 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: they will say, yes, I can't give you an award 714 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: if you win that bet. But I bet you. I mean, 715 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: even when COVID kicked in Eden's teacher at the time, 716 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: it was, you know, the end of the school year 717 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,800 Speaker 1: and they had to very quickly transition. They they canceled 718 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: the standardized tests that because of that whole situation and 719 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: them not being able to prepare. But this teacher literally 720 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: ran around town meeting individual students and their parents to 721 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: give them their packet of like work from homework, and 722 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: it was like, not like you come to her, it 723 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: was like she came to you, and it was after hours, 724 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: and it was like, I mean she did stuff like 725 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: that all the time. I mean, it's a calling, you know. 726 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: It's certainly not something you do for the glory or 727 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: like the uh hell even the appreciation from your superiors. 728 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's something you do because you're you're called 729 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: to do it and you're needed, and the reward comes in, 730 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: like you know, seeing kids grow into amazing human beings. UM. 731 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: So that's pretty awesome that you can have that kind 732 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: of influence on kids. But you're right, there's so much 733 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,479 Speaker 1: of that out of pocket spending on school supplies because 734 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: the budgets are so slashed, you know. It's Yeah, just 735 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: to bring this all back full circle for this episode, UM, 736 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: as we're recording this, there are students across the world, 737 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: across the United States especially, that are getting ready to 738 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: go back to school, whether virtual or physical. There are 739 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: teachers right now maybe listening to this while they set 740 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: up their classroom, maybe while they are thinking about how 741 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: the heck they're going to keep themselves and those children 742 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: safe in that environment and in a lot of places 743 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: like here in Atlanta, the official response to this pandemic 744 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: isn't even inked on paper. Mhm. The plan is there 745 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: is no plan. So thank you to all of those people. Yeah, yeah, 746 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much, man, I'm so glad you said that. 747 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: Thank you to every single educator out there, Yes, including 748 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: educators administering the bar exam. Uh. In the interest of time, 749 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: I feel like this has to be a full episode, 750 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: just diving into some of the numbers behind congressional acts 751 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 1: and the private companies that are making hand over fist 752 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: money here. It's clear that there's a number of things 753 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: afoot here. As for the bar exam, it's really interesting. 754 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: My friends, my friends who have taken it, Uh, tell 755 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: me a lot about the multi state how some things 756 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: apply in one state but not in another state. Uh. 757 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: And we'd like to we'd like to dive into this more. 758 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: One thing we can assure you here, Abby, however, is 759 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: that there is definitely a profit motive involved. This is 760 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: not standardized testing, is not a non profit institution. Would 761 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: that make it better? We don't know, But if if 762 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: you guys are okay with that, I would love to 763 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: make this a future episode and teachers, educators, former past, future. 764 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. Let us know what 765 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,800 Speaker 1: you think about standardized testing. Let us know your war stories. 766 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: If you like ed from Kentucky, have firsthand experience with 767 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: five G and have heard radio stations through steel on 768 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: a tower, we want to hear from you. And if 769 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: you like our anonymous caller, have some information about COVID 770 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: or bio weapons in general, or about COVID as a bioweapon, 771 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: let us know. 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