WEBVTT - The Packard Bell Story

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to Tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Andy wrote, you cover Packard Bell before? Probably well, Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't covered Packard Bell before, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it now so that shows you. Well. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>little confrontational there. I'm sorry Andy to know what came

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<v Speaker 1>over me, but yes, it's time to talk about Packard

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<v Speaker 1>Bell now. For someone my age, the name Packard Bell

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<v Speaker 1>brings to mind an army of IBM PC clones in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties and nineties. I'll get into what that

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<v Speaker 1>means later on, but while I think most folks around

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<v Speaker 1>my age associate Packard Bell with inexpensive and frequently mocked

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<v Speaker 1>personal computers. The company's origins, or at least the origins

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<v Speaker 1>of the name of the company, go back much, much further.

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<v Speaker 1>The full story of Packard Bell is one of entrepreneurship, innovation, acquisitions, betrayal, death, resurrections,

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<v Speaker 1>and fading into the sunset only to come back. The

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<v Speaker 1>story shares some parallels with other company stories like a TORII,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll explain that a little bit further on. For now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with a man named Herb Bell. Kind of Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the history of both the company and this founder are

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<v Speaker 1>a bit muddled. Some history state that Packard Bell should

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<v Speaker 1>trace its origins to nineteen twenty six. Others say no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it should be nineteen thirty three. The company itself was

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated in ninety five, according to The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times also says that Herbert Bell was

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<v Speaker 1>born in eighteen ninety in Rock Valley, Iowa, but other

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<v Speaker 1>sources say he was born in Burlington, Wisconsin. So, as

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<v Speaker 1>you guys can gather, this is a somewhat difficult story

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<v Speaker 1>to tell, but hey, history is more than just dates.

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<v Speaker 1>And places right. So we'll just accept that there is

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<v Speaker 1>some confusion about the details of this history, or that

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with a multiverse, parallel dimension situation here. Either

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<v Speaker 1>of those I think work as a get out of

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<v Speaker 1>jail free card in this situation. So when Herb Bell

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<v Speaker 1>was growing up in either Iowa or Wisconsin, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily dreaming of building an electronics company. I should add

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely grew up in Burlington. I found newspaper articles

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<v Speaker 1>from Burlington that talked about it. So it might be

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<v Speaker 1>possible that he wasn't born there, but he definitely grew

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Herbert Bell was actually born Herbert Anthony Zwiebel.

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<v Speaker 1>He had four brothers, Arthur, Albert, Elmer, and Willard. Between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ten and nineteen fifteen, these brothers all left home

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<v Speaker 1>to quote make their way in the world end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert left Burlington in nineteen twelve to go to Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 1>He found work with the Mitchell Automobile Company, where he

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<v Speaker 1>worked until nineteen eighteen, at which point he set out

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<v Speaker 1>to make a company of his own. In partnership with

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<v Speaker 1>his brothers Arthur and Albert, they formed the Zwiebel Brothers Company.

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<v Speaker 1>And they manufactured tires and related equipment for vehicles. A

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<v Speaker 1>bit later, they brought in brother Elmer, also known as Bub,

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<v Speaker 1>and he owned the Bub Body Company. The four brothers

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated the two companies together, forming a voltron of car

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<v Speaker 1>part companies. I guess. In nineteen twenty one, the brothers

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<v Speaker 1>decided to sell this business. They turned it public and

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<v Speaker 1>they handed it over to a new board of directors,

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<v Speaker 1>and they pocketed the cash. They all packed up and

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<v Speaker 1>moved to California because actually their parents had relocated to

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<v Speaker 1>California back in nineteen nineteen, so they were following behind.

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<v Speaker 1>They had made a good amount of money by building

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<v Speaker 1>up their business and then selling it, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>looked for what would come next. For Herbert that would

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<v Speaker 1>end up being electronics. He became interested in the young industry.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just starting to to really flourish in the

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles area around this time, so radio was very young.

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<v Speaker 1>The first license radios to stations in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>began to broadcast in nineteen twenty, so this is still

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<v Speaker 1>very very early in the history of radio. And her

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<v Speaker 1>Bell was one of those tech entrepreneurs who would establish

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<v Speaker 1>a well worn tradition. By this time today. He started

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<v Speaker 1>his company in a garage, actually his parents garage to

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<v Speaker 1>be precise. He began to learn how to build radio

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<v Speaker 1>sets and the ins and outs of electronics. His early

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<v Speaker 1>work focused on providing coin operated radio sets for hotel lobbies.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine that you're in a hotel lobby, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>radio there. You actually have to put a coin in

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<v Speaker 1>and then it will play whatever station you tune it

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<v Speaker 1>to for however long. The coin operation thing lasts interesting concept.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert made his brother Albert a partner in the business,

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<v Speaker 1>but this early company didn't establish itself, and by nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine it was out of business. Undiscouraged, Herbert Bell

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<v Speaker 1>found a financial partner in a certain Simtir Edward Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>if You're nasty, and together they formed the Jackson Bell

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Company. Jackson Bell radios are to this day sought

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<v Speaker 1>after by collectors. That being said, according to the Radio

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<v Speaker 1>History Museum, Jackson Bell wasn't really in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing radios so much as it was all about marketing radios.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual radios, again according to the Radio History Museum,

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<v Speaker 1>were made by a company called Gilfillan Brothers Radio Company.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether Jackson Bell made their own radios or not as

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a moot point, because it wasn't around for

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<v Speaker 1>very long. It got started in nineteen thirty, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was out of business by nineteen three. This was during

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<v Speaker 1>a truly tumultuous time in economic history. In nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>stock prices in the United States began to plummet, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a massive crash in the market on October. The

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<v Speaker 1>economic all outstretched all around the world and it would

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<v Speaker 1>take a decade to get back to where the market

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<v Speaker 1>had been before the crash. This was the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see what's so great about it. The Swiebels

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<v Speaker 1>company was, like many others, affected by this fallout, and

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers folded their business. Part of the problem was

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<v Speaker 1>due to a bigger company making some rather broad changes.

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<v Speaker 1>That company was our c A, which I have actually

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<v Speaker 1>covered in previous episodes of Tech Stuff, multiple episodes in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go back through our archives and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to those. The Swiebel Brothers had a license to sell

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<v Speaker 1>our c A radios, but when the company introduced a

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<v Speaker 1>new type of radio that made the ones that the

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<v Speaker 1>Sweebels had in their inventory completely obsolete. As we will,

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<v Speaker 1>company really began to struggle. Jackson Bell just couldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. They now had products that were hard to

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<v Speaker 1>sell right at the beginning of a severe economic depress,

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<v Speaker 1>so they couldn't move their inventory, they couldn't afford to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in the new technology, and they just had to

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<v Speaker 1>close up shop as a result. Now, this is why

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<v Speaker 1>some histories say that Packard Bell cannot use nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six as the starting point, because even though that's when

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<v Speaker 1>Herb got into the electronics gig, the companies he founded

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<v Speaker 1>all ceased to exist by the early nineteen thirties. Herb

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<v Speaker 1>was down, but he wasn't out. He and his brothers

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<v Speaker 1>changed their last name to Bell officially, mostly to americanize

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<v Speaker 1>their names a bit more, even though they were all Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen thirty three, her Bell would strike up

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<v Speaker 1>a new partnership to launch another electronics business, this time

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<v Speaker 1>with a guy named Leon Packard Packard Bell. Packard was

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<v Speaker 1>able to secure investments from his family to start up

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<v Speaker 1>this new business. Some reports say he used a trust fund,

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<v Speaker 1>some say that it was an uncle who lent the money,

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<v Speaker 1>but in any case, he was kind of the cash

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<v Speaker 1>behind the whole business. And again the business was called

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<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell, but Leon Packard wasn't part of this company

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<v Speaker 1>for very long. He apparently got unhappy with the way

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<v Speaker 1>her Bell was pushing things. Bell was aiming for more ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive radio sets, and Packard was worried about it

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<v Speaker 1>getting priced out of the market. So Herb would end

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<v Speaker 1>up buying out his partner sometime in either nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four or nineteen thirty five. Again I found sources that

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<v Speaker 1>gave conflicting dates, but it did happen right around that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there was no longer a Packard at Packard Bell,

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<v Speaker 1>but the company had established the sort of brand name,

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<v Speaker 1>so rather than mess with that, they stuck with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Packard was gone, but Packard Bell remained. The first

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<v Speaker 1>product out of Packard Bell, as far as I can determine,

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<v Speaker 1>was a rebranded Jackson Bell tabletop radio called the Model

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. A tabletop meaning this was a radio that

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<v Speaker 1>could sit on a table, as opposed to a giant

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<v Speaker 1>console radio that was a free standing piece of furniture.

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<v Speaker 1>They still were pretty big and they involved a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of artistry. The cabinets that were made for these these

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<v Speaker 1>radios often are gorgeous. In fact, that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why UH collectors seek out these antique radios. They

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<v Speaker 1>were also very specific to the regions where they were produced.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say more about that in a second. So Urban

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<v Speaker 1>his brothers maintained close business relationships. And the brothers had

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<v Speaker 1>all founded their own businesses, and we're manufacturing various components

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<v Speaker 1>and her Bell would package them together as finished radio.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of them were making electronics, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>were cabinet makers, and collectively they were all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>creating the pieces that would allow Packard Bell to sell

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<v Speaker 1>finished radios. So Packard Bell was really more of an

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<v Speaker 1>assembly company, not a manufacturer. They took the component it's

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<v Speaker 1>from the other brothers organizations. One interesting thing Bell did,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, was he customized his radios for the

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast region. Remember they were located at a California

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than simply creating a radio with a dial

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<v Speaker 1>that has all the different radio frequencies marked on it,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually listed out the radio stations with their respective frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that you have a radio station called

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just say Bob, and the radio station Bob is

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<v Speaker 1>at a M seven fifty and instead of having it

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<v Speaker 1>saying just a M seven fifty. You would actually write

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<v Speaker 1>out Bob on the dial, so people could dial directly

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<v Speaker 1>to whichever radio station they were interested in. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to hunt through the frequencies. And Bell was primarily

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<v Speaker 1>selling radios to people on or near the West Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>so he could do this. It was called stationizing, and

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<v Speaker 1>he could do it because he wasn't selling radios to

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<v Speaker 1>people in other parts of the world, where the radio

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<v Speaker 1>stations would be totally different, and for those frequencies. It

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<v Speaker 1>would actually take several years before the company would start

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<v Speaker 1>to sell radios beyond this immediate region. The nice thing

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<v Speaker 1>was you didn't have to remember about which station was

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<v Speaker 1>using which frequency. You just set the dial to the

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<v Speaker 1>station you were interested in because things were right there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the story goes that the inspiration for doing this

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<v Speaker 1>all came from Mama Bell. Now I don't mean mob

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<v Speaker 1>Bell the phone company, but rather the mother of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bell brothers. Herbs said that his mother complained about the

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<v Speaker 1>printing on radio dials and that it was too difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for her to read those numbers and thus be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tune the radio to the station she wanted. Packard

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<v Speaker 1>Bell licensed some of our CIA's radio technology and incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>that technology into their own radios. Or Bell led his

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<v Speaker 1>company into establishing a pretty solid reputation upon the outbreak

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<v Speaker 1>of World War Two in Europe. Then Packard Bell began

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<v Speaker 1>to branch out from radios and we're done building components

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<v Speaker 1>and technologies for the US military. One of those technologies

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<v Speaker 1>was the transponder. Now, Packard Bell did not invent the transponder.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't created out of Packard Bell. British engineers actually

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<v Speaker 1>created the first transponders, but Packard Bell helped develop them

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<v Speaker 1>and manufacture them. So what the heck is a transponder. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an electronic component. Technically, it's a transceiver that's used

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<v Speaker 1>in aircraft. During World War Two, it served as a

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<v Speaker 1>way for radar stations to identify whether a detected aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>was friendly or not. The idea was actually incredibly simple.

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<v Speaker 1>You would outfit your aircraft with these transponders, which, upon

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<v Speaker 1>receiving a signal, could send out a message that contained

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<v Speaker 1>the identifying information of that aircraft. In fact, it could

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<v Speaker 1>just contain a signal, a simple signal. So essentially this

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<v Speaker 1>plane was saying, hey, it's okay, I'm a buddy, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm not I'm not one of the enemy. And

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<v Speaker 1>the British called this tech a parrot transponder. The parrot

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<v Speaker 1>would squawk or send out its message. American engineers called

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<v Speaker 1>it identification friend or foe or I F F for short.

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<v Speaker 1>Creating unique codes for aircraft would come a little bit later,

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<v Speaker 1>but that would help too. So now not only did

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh, this is a friendly aircraft because it's

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<v Speaker 1>responding to the signal and giving me the appropriate response.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can actually get specific unique signals, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can say exactly which aircraft it is. Not just that

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<v Speaker 1>it's friendly, but I know which one it is. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if the enemy figured out that Allied planes were sending

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<v Speaker 1>back signals, the odds of them picking an existing signal

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<v Speaker 1>to masquerade as a friendly aircraft would be slim. The

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<v Speaker 1>one big problem was that the transponder signals were strong

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<v Speaker 1>enough to muck up radar stations. So an incoming signal

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<v Speaker 1>from a transponder was powerful enough that it would completely

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<v Speaker 1>cover a radar screen. It was like you had an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous puddle of ink covering up your screen, except it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, points of light. So pilots were instructed instead

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<v Speaker 1>to turn on their transponders when they were prompted by

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<v Speaker 1>radio operators. The informal way, as I said, was to

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<v Speaker 1>call this squawking. So to squawk your parrot is to

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<v Speaker 1>turn on your transponder so it sends a message back

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<v Speaker 1>down to the ground. Then you're supposed to turn it

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<v Speaker 1>back off again because you don't want to flood the

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<v Speaker 1>radar stations. Eventually, this technology found its way into civilian

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft and it became a way for air traffic control

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<v Speaker 1>to identify aircraft in specific airspace, and when paired with

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<v Speaker 1>other electronics, the transponder could send back specific information beyond

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<v Speaker 1>just the identity of the aircraft. It could also send

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that aircraft's altitude, and pilots could set transponders

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<v Speaker 1>to send specific messages when other communications systems failed. If,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, their radio failed, the pilot could set a

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<v Speaker 1>transponder so that the code sent to a t C

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<v Speaker 1>would correspond to an emergency message such as may day,

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<v Speaker 1>or communications are down or even hijack, So pilots can

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<v Speaker 1>squawk if they're in trouble. They can set their transponder

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<v Speaker 1>to that specific code to indicate the issue, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency system as well as an identification system. Transponders

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty interesting. For one thing, they only allow codes

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<v Speaker 1>with digits between zero and seven, or at least the

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<v Speaker 1>original ones did. But to explain why that is why

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<v Speaker 1>they could only use between zero and seven would take

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more time away from our topic. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to spare you. Guys. You're welcome, but maybe someday

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go into a full episode about transponders. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>been warned, But for now, let's take a quick break. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell continues to put together radios and make military

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<v Speaker 1>components all throughout World War Two, and the company was

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<v Speaker 1>doing pretty well. Like it wasn't going gangbusters, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was profitable. It was still focused on that regional market,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's still making radio sets for people on the

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<v Speaker 1>West coast of the United States, still going with that

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<v Speaker 1>stationized approach to the dials. After the war, Packard Bell

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<v Speaker 1>finally incorporated, at least according to The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>in its obituary for her Bell spoiler alert or Bell

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<v Speaker 1>passed away a long time ago. But Packard Bell also

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<v Speaker 1>began to enter into a new industry. They began to

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<v Speaker 1>get into television manufacturing. Television's back then were similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the old school radios. They tended to be pretty large

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of furniture, often housed in cabinets. The earliest ones

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<v Speaker 1>I know about from Packard Bell were three models that

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<v Speaker 1>the company introduced in nineteen. Two of those were console models,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially the cabinet style. I was just talking about these

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<v Speaker 1>free standing pieces of furniture that had television sets inside them.

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<v Speaker 1>The third model was a tabletop model, and so in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the television was inside a wooden frame another

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<v Speaker 1>like wooden cabinet, but it was small enough to sit

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<v Speaker 1>on a table as opposed to stand freely on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>The screen on the tabletop model, and the smaller of

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<v Speaker 1>the two console models was ten inches on the diagonal,

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<v Speaker 1>just ten one zero. The larger console had a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>inch screen. It also had a radio and a phonograph

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<v Speaker 1>built into this thing. I imagine it had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a monster. The company would continue producing television's,

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<v Speaker 1>branching into color TV a decade later, and I've covered

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<v Speaker 1>how TV works several times, so don't worry, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go on a how television works tangent here. Packard

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<v Speaker 1>Bell found success in the television market, just as it

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<v Speaker 1>had with the radio market, and before long the company

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<v Speaker 1>was selling its products across the United States. This also

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<v Speaker 1>meant finally abandoning that stationized approach to radio dials, because

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<v Speaker 1>now the frequencies weren't corresponding to the same radio stations.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no guarantee that the person who was buying

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<v Speaker 1>your radio would have access to the exact same radio

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<v Speaker 1>stations as what you were putting on the dial, so

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<v Speaker 1>they get rid of that. By the mid nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>things were good enough with Packard Bell for them to

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<v Speaker 1>go public, with the company to go from private company

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<v Speaker 1>to publicly traded company, or Bell would step down as president,

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<v Speaker 1>but he would remain on the board of directors for

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<v Speaker 1>several more years. In the meantime, the company wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>stretch a bit more to get into some other industries,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they created a new division focused on building

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<v Speaker 1>out computers. Now this was still in the late nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not talking about personal computers here. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about many computers, kind of the the bridge between mainframe

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<v Speaker 1>systems and the desktop machines that we would later know

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes love. So These were computer systems that were

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<v Speaker 1>meant to do number crunching for stuff like research facilities

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<v Speaker 1>or universities, or the military, or sometimes really big companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell hired a former US Air Force meteorologists named

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<v Speaker 1>Max Palevski to spearhead the computer efforts. Polevski had really

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<v Speaker 1>begun to study computer science after working with people like

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<v Speaker 1>von Neumann, so he was coming into this really jazzed.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first computer that Packard Bell would build would

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<v Speaker 1>be called the p B two fifty. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>computer built on the principles of the Automatic Computing Engine

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<v Speaker 1>or ACE. That the computer system that was designed by

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<v Speaker 1>the great Alan Turing himself. The ACE marked the first

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<v Speaker 1>truly electronic stored program all purpose digital computer. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of words, so let's break it down a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. The all purpose part is really easy. So

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<v Speaker 1>early on, engineers built a lot of specific purpose computer systems.

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<v Speaker 1>These were designed to handle a very narrow spectrum of tasks,

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<v Speaker 1>and these machines had a streamlined design for that purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when I say streamlined, I don't mean in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of physical structure, because all these machines were big and unwieldy,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather in terms of the systems architecture what it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually processing information for. So these specific machines were

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<v Speaker 1>quite good at handling the problems that fit within their design,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were incapable of running any other kind of

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<v Speaker 1>process outside of that purpose. And all purpose or general

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<v Speaker 1>purpose computer could run any program within that computer's capabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a narrow spectrum of programs. Turing's design was ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that his colleagues ultimately decided that they

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<v Speaker 1>had to compromise on that vision quite a bit when

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<v Speaker 1>building out the actual computer. Otherwise the engineering requirements were

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<v Speaker 1>going to just be too severe, so they made a

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<v Speaker 1>much more modest machine called the Pilot Model ACE. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty. Packard Bell's p B two fifty followed uh

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<v Speaker 1>in the design philosophy of ACE. It wasn't exactly a copy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was built on those same basic principles. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about electronics stored. Well, one thing the PB

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty sported was magneto restrictive memory, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>a type of delay line memory for computers. Now, you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard me talk about random access memory or RAM,

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<v Speaker 1>and if not, I'm sure you've encountered at least the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of RAM. RAM is a type of storage that

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<v Speaker 1>allows computers to process information without pulling it from a

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<v Speaker 1>hard disk or disk drive. It's a temporary type of

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<v Speaker 1>storage meant to facilitate calculations to make stuff faster. I

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like in it to short term versus long term

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<v Speaker 1>memory for humans, but that's not really an apples to

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<v Speaker 1>apples comparison. It's just kind of useful to say. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have something in your short term memory that's right

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<v Speaker 1>there and you're working with it, it's really easy. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have to remember something that happened a long time

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<v Speaker 1>ago that takes more time. It's similar to that concept,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not a one to one analogy. Well, delay

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<v Speaker 1>line memory is even different from that. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not random access. Delay line memory is sequential, so

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<v Speaker 1>the data is organized in the order that it was entered.

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<v Speaker 1>It has this predetermined ordered sequence. It's also totally weird

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it in context of modern computing.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how it worked. In the original incarnation of delay

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<v Speaker 1>line memory, the system would convert data into sound waves,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would actually become an acoustic form of information,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it would send that acoustic wave. These sound

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<v Speaker 1>waves through a medium that put the brakes on those

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<v Speaker 1>sound waves. You know, sound travels at different speeds through

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<v Speaker 1>different media, right, it travels through water more slowly than

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<v Speaker 1>it travels through air. For example, in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>the early delay line memory models, they use tubes of

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<v Speaker 1>liquid mercury. The sound waves carrying data would slow down

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<v Speaker 1>as it would transfer into the liquid mercury, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would continue traveling until I reached the far end of

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<v Speaker 1>the tube of mercury, wherein it would hit a sensor

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<v Speaker 1>that would allow it to re electrify the signal for

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<v Speaker 1>processing a process. Signal could then be sent back through

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<v Speaker 1>the tube. Now you could set up such a system

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<v Speaker 1>to store that data to it barily, and the way

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you would do it is you would constantly send the

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<v Speaker 1>same signal back and forth through the tube until you

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>needed it. The site make likened this to using an

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<v Speaker 1>echo to do the same thing. So imagine that you're

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<v Speaker 1>standing in a canyon and you need to remember something

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<v Speaker 1>like someone's just told you some numbers and you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>remember them, so you shout it out really loudly, and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of moments later, you hear the echo of

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<v Speaker 1>your shout coming back to you, So it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>just remembered the number you yelled out. But hey, that

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>echo is gonna fade away, right, It doesn't stick around forever,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe you don't need the information at that exact moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means after you hear the echo, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to shout the same thing again to continue to preserve it,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on and so on until you finally get

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where you actually have to use that

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<v Speaker 1>information and then you can stop shouting it back out again. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing is happening in delay line memory. The

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>system sends data through this journey because it's going to

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>need that data later. It doesn't need it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say the data completes this journey, the computer

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<v Speaker 1>still doesn't need the information. Well, then it just repeats

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<v Speaker 1>the incoming message and sends that data back out on

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<v Speaker 1>the journey again. One downside of this is that when

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<v Speaker 1>the computer does need the information, it has to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for the data to complete whatever leg of the journey

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<v Speaker 1>it's on, so you can't just call up information instantaneously.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually a bit of a delay. Computer systems like

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<v Speaker 1>the PB two fifty relied on this type of memory

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<v Speaker 1>as did more well known computers like the UNIVAC one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty interesting way to store information and fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>different from how we do it now. So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty darn cool. Not necessarily the most convenient

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing it, and not necessarily the most satisfying

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<v Speaker 1>way if you need information right away now, granted, the

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<v Speaker 1>delay is typically on the order of milliseconds. It might

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<v Speaker 1>be long enough for there to be a perceptible delay,

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't like you were waiting around forever. But

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<v Speaker 1>still it wasn't instantaneous. The PB two fifty did not

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<v Speaker 1>have a CPU chip, because this was before transistors were

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>a viable option for that kind of thing. Instead, the

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>central processing unit was a series of logic boards that

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>were wired together, and these logic boards processed data one

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<v Speaker 1>bit at a time, sequentially. In other words, I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of one of these PB two fifty computers

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of looks like a pair of large

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<v Speaker 1>briefcases or the old school style suitcases that are sitting

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<v Speaker 1>side by side on top of a little pedestal stand,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's a typewriter like thing next to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That typewriter like saying was actually a teleprinter called a

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<v Speaker 1>Frieden Flexo writer. Super cool old school to tchnology here,

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<v Speaker 1>but outside the scope of what we're covering, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna leave it be. The computer division of Packard Bell

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>was essentially a subsidiary of the larger Packard Bell Electronics

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>or Packard Bell Corporation. It would continue to make computer

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:20.360
<v Speaker 1>systems until nineteen sixty four. That's when the company Ray

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Theon made Packard Bell Corporation and offer it couldn't refuse.

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Ray Theon purchased the computer division. By this time, Palevski,

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 1>the guy who had spearheaded the PB two fifty, he

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 1>had already left Packard Bell at this point. He actually

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>took several top level engineers with him all the way

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen sixty one to form another company called

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Scientific Data Systems of California or STS, that would subsequently

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>get acquired by Xerox by the end of the nineteen

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>sixties and made Polevski very wealthy. So you might think

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>that it was this computer division of Packard Bell that

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>would ultimately emerge in the nineteen eighties as the company

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>behind all those personal computers, all those IBM clones, And

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you'd be so totally wrong. I mean, you could argue

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>very convincingly that the Packard Bell of the eighties and

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>nineties fame had nothing whatsoever to do with the original

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell at all. But it had a little more

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to do with the Packard Bell Corporation than it did

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>with Packard Bell computers. Now this came as a surprise

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>to me as I was doing this research. I thought,

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>surely this computer division is what ultimately evolved into the

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell PCs. But no, so, Raytheon buys the Packard

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Bell Computer Division and essentially folds it into the larger

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>company of Raytheon. Raytheon is another company I'm going to

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>have to cover at some point. It also has a

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty bumpy history, which I guess you could expect from

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>a company that's in the military and defense industry. But

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>we're going to close that chapter of our story here

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Computer division effectively merged into the rest of

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Raytheon and was no more. So let's get back to

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the Packard Bell Corporation, the one that was still making

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 1>radios and television sets, because that still existed. That parent

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>company soldiered on a little bit longer, but in nineteen

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. So just four years after Raytheon had bought

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the computer division, a suitor came calling to Packard Bell Corporation,

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and this was Teleedne. Tele Dine started as a microelectronics

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and control system company, and it began all the way

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen sixty. By all the way, I mean

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>eight years previously. So tele Dine had a slightly different

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>strategy when it came to establishing itself. It was not

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the type of company that built lots of R and

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>D facilities and manufacturing plants. Instead, tele Dine was all

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>about acquiring other already established companies, such was the case

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>with the Packard Bell Corporation. By the end of the

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, tele Dine had acquired around one hundred companies. Yikes,

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's ten companies a year if you divide it up

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that way. Now, some people mark this as the death

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of the original Packard Bell. Though tele Dine did offer

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>some products with a tele Dine Packard Bell branding into

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, they stopped sometime around nineteen seventy four.

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>So this means we could say Packard Bell's original lifespan

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was from nineteen twenty six to nineteen sixty eight or

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three to nineteen seventy four, or nineteen twenty

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>six to nineteen seventy four, you get it. The company

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>is something of an enigma when it comes to talking

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>about its lifespan. Between nineteen seventy four and nineteen eighty five,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell essentially remained nothing more than a brand name

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>owned by tele Dine, but not actually used on anything.

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>There were devotes of the brand, people who loved particular

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>radios or television sets, or collectors who were seeking a

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>specific model to complete their collection. And antique radio scene

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>grew out of Los Angeles and Packard Bell radios were

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a top commodity. But otherwise the name was languishing. And

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that will bring us to the next phase in our

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>story and an Israeli tank driver named Benny Allagam. But first,

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. Okay. So Packard Bell had

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>its rise and fall as a radio and television company.

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Or Bell had resigned from the board back in nineteen

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>sixty two. He remained on as a sort of advisor

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>for a short while, continue to have an office in

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles headquarters, but he passed away in nineteen seventy.

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So how did Packard Bell come back as a brand

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen eighties and what connection did it have

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>to this company? Well, enter Benny Algam. He was born

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in Israel in nineteen fifty three, and he's generally pretty

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>quiet about his personal history. In fact, he's also pretty

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>quiet about his professional history in a lot of ways.

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But he attended college in the United States, studying engineering

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and business at the California State Polytechnic University in the

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies. By the early nineteen eighties, he and two

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>other Israeli American businessman, Jason bars Lay and Alex Sandel,

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>formed a company called cal Abco c A L dash

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>a b c O. This was a wholesaler of computer

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>components like memory chips. The early eighties offered a special

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for people who were in the computer business. And

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about this many times before IBM had dipped

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>its corporate tow in the world of personal computers. Previously,

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>IBM had marketed almost exclusively to big businesses, but the

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>company explored the PC market by building computers using off

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the shelf components kind of like the ones that cal

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Abco sold and landing a license with Microsoft for the

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>DOSS operating system. But here's the kicker. IBM didn't secure

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>an exclusive agreement with Microsoft, which meant Microsoft could license

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that same operating system or a slight variation of it

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to any other computer manufacturer. And since IBM was using

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>off the shelf components rather than designing a proprietary machine

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>built exclusively on IBM technology, this made it possible for

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>anyone with the know how to build similar machines using

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a similar operating system. And that would mean a customer

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>could go out and buy a less expensive computer from

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>some other manufacturer and still run the same software and

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>tended for the IBM machines. The first company to do

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>this was Compact in n Two other companies would follow suit,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and the era of the IBM clone PC began. We

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>called them clones because they weren't made by IBM, but

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>they could run the same software that was designed for

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>IBM computers. But Allergem and his business partners saw another

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>opportunity within this world. See these other companies that were

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>making IBM PCs were still aiming primarily at the business market,

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and that might include some smaller businesses that otherwise would

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>never have invested in computers and not just you know,

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>big corporations, but it was still largely a focus on

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>productivity machines. Alagam and his partners saw the chance to

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>market to the average American. Now. To do it, he

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>would need a company that could build inexpensive computers at

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>scale and at an efficiency that would allow him to

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>sell PCs at a much lower cost than his competitors.

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.479
<v Speaker 1>And he wanted a name for this company that would

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>give him a marketing edge. That name would be you

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 1>guessed it, Packard Bell. Now I'm not sure if Alagam

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>was going after that name with the intent of muddying

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:15.479
<v Speaker 1>the waters, but I'm not not saying that that wasn't

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the case. See, the name Packard Bell wasn't in frequent

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>use by the nineteen eighties, and it was easy to

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>associate it with other entities. One was Bell Labs, the

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>R and D arm of a T and T. Another

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>was Hewitt Packard, the tech company that had been around

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen thirty nine. Or you might even just associate

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it with the original Packard Bell that made radios and TVs.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>The marketing for the new PC company definitely leaned into

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>this because their slogan was America grew up listening to us.

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>It still does, which you know, it seems to at

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>least imply that this is the same company that was

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>making radios and TVs back in the fifties and sixties.

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But the truth is this new company had nothing to

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>do with any of the other companies, but it did

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>benefit from that association. Alagam purchased the rights to the

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell name from Teledne and the new Packard Bell

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Company established sometime around nine n six. Another big step

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Alagam made was to form partnerships with retailers. Typically, to

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>purchase a computer, you would have to go to like

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>a hobby store or a computer store, which could be

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty intimidating for the average person, or you were ordering

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>direct from a big business because you were placing an

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 1>order for a company. So in that case, you're like

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>ordering tens or hundreds of computers, not a single computer

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>for a average person. But Aligam saw the opportunity of

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>reaching a broader customer base by selling computers through consumer

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>retail stores like Sears and Walmart, and later on like

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Best Buy in Circuit City. He started to form business

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:05.720
<v Speaker 1>relationships with these companies and secured agreements to sell Packard

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Bell PCs in their stores. In return, he would send

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell employees to help train up the store staff

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>on how to understand, talk about, and ultimately how to

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>sell these PCs. The new Packard Bell would actually be

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 1>a pioneer in a few fields early on. So, for example,

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.240
<v Speaker 1>with early PCs, it was pretty standard for a customer

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>to have to install the operating system and any initial

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>software themselves. You would get your computer home, you would

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have a whole bunch of disks for whatever operating system

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you were in. You'd have to you know, boot up

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>into the bios and then load up the operating system.

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Computers didn't come with stuff preloaded on it back in

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>those days. This was another barrier to entry for a

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of people. Not only were computers expensive, it was

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>intimidating to buy them and to set them up. So

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in nine seven, Packard Bell became the first IBM PC

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>clone manufacturer to offer computers with a preloaded operating system

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and software bundle, thus again lowering that barrier of entry.

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The following year, Packard Bell established a toll free support

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>telephone line so customers could call and get help setting

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>up or maintaining a computer. In nine, Packard Bell would

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>be the first company to sell computers with Intel's Pentium

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>processor as the CPU, as well as the first to

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>sell a computer with a CD ROM drive. So how

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>was a budget PC company able to get out in

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>front of its competitors in this way? One large part

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it came back to those business relationships I mentioned earlier.

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Customers would have conversations with sales people in stores like Sears,

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.359
<v Speaker 1>and those sales people would report back and word would

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>get back up the chain to pack or Bell about

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>what customers liked, what they didn't like, what they were

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>looking for. So company executives learned about how people wanted

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff like a machine capable of running a CD ROM

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and that meant that one it needed to be a

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Pentium and two they need to include cd ROMs in

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>order to meet that demand. It also helped that Packard

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Bell had established an extremely nimble manufacturing process. Everything was

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>really efficient, and reportedly the company was even capable of

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 1>assembling machines running on one type of component in the

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 1>morning and then swap out their assembly line to cover

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a totally different set of components for a different model.

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>By lunchtime, so you can be making say a three

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>eight six computer in the morning and swap over to

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>pentium by lunch. This is a big deal. Bigger companies

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.760
<v Speaker 1>couldn't move this fast, so Packard Bell was hearing about

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>customer needs early and then able to respond to them

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 1>faster than they're larger competitors were capable of doing. The

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>company also tried out different desktop computer designs. The general

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:07.760
<v Speaker 1>design philosophy was pretty industrial and utilitarian and boring. Around

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that time, your standard computer was either a tower or

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a tabletop PC that took up a good amount of space.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell introduced computers with smaller form factors, and they

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>tried to get away from the boring, beige tower design. However,

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>we have to look at some of the bad stuff too.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Sure the company was aggressive and producing machines for much

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>lower costs than the competition, but that doesn't mean the

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>machines were good. If you do a search on Packer Bell,

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna find a lot of articles that named the

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.760
<v Speaker 1>company as the worst brand of PCs in the nineteen nineties.

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Heck PC magazine, in their Top ten Worst Computers of

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>All Time, listed all Packard Bell computers at number one,

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>not a single model. They said Packard Bell in general

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>was the worst PC. So what was actually going on? Well,

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a big part of this had to do specifically with quality.

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>A lot of customers were displeased with their purchases, having

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>various components failed. The computer just wasn't working really well.

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 1>But how much is a lot? Well in, Packard Bell

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>revealed that it had a return rate of about seventeen percent. Now,

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the average in the market was closer to seven percent,

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>so this was more than double the average. So nearly

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty percent, or nearly one out of every five computers

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>were being returned to Packard Bell. So their reputation for

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>unreliable computers wasn't exactly unearned. Now, it didn't start out

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>that way. The early computers were considered to be pretty reliable.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>They weren't exactly premium machines, but for the price, they

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>were serviceable. However, as chip manufacturers, and really, I guess

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I should just say Intel, because that's what Packard Bell

0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>went with. As Intel produced faster processors, Packard Bell's quality

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 1>began to slip. Packard Bell leaned hard on the Intel

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<v Speaker 1>inside sticker that was placed on every computer because the

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<v Speaker 1>Intel name gave a lot of cashe to Packard Bell,

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<v Speaker 1>and the general thought was that a cheap computer with

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<v Speaker 1>an Intel processor is still better than an expensive computer

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<v Speaker 1>with some other company's processor in it, like an a

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<v Speaker 1>m D processor. But that wasn't necessarily true. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that was the perception. On top of that, Packard Bell

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<v Speaker 1>was using a lot of components that were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little odd. Some of them were produced by other

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<v Speaker 1>companies that the owners of Packard Bell also just happened

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<v Speaker 1>to own. Funny thing that this meant that when one

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<v Speaker 1>of those parts failed, as they frequently did, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>just go and grab a replacement version off the shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't go and get some generic power source, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to order special parts because as those were

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that would only work with those Packard Bell computers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were also typically fairly expensive, they also were

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily more reliable than the part you replaced, so

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you might have to keep replacing the same part with

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<v Speaker 1>the same machine if you stuck with it. That meant

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<v Speaker 1>that Packard Bell didn't get a whole lot of repeat

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 1>business people would get burned by it, and then they'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what I'm going to spend a little more

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>money and go with one of the competitors. Magazines gave

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the computers bad reviews. Like I mentioned earlier, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a glut of models Packard Bell models on the market,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them were indistinguishable from each other. You

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<v Speaker 1>could buy essentially the same Packard Bell computer from Sears

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<v Speaker 1>or Walmart or Circuit City, but each of those computers

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<v Speaker 1>would have a different model number that indicated that it

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>was a computer sold through this specific chain. Otherwise they

0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 1>were all identical, but it got confusing. In nineteen a

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<v Speaker 1>French company called Group Bull made a deal with Packard

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Bell that gave Group Well nearly ownership of the company,

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<v Speaker 1>and another company, and Japanese electronics company called inn e

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<v Speaker 1>C took pretty much the rest of the ownership of

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Packard Bell and integrated Packard Bell within EC computers. This

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<v Speaker 1>would turn out to be what we call a bad decision.

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<v Speaker 1>See Packard Bell was on the downward slope. The company's

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<v Speaker 1>reputation was shot. Everyone associated their computers as being cheap

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 1>and unreliable technology. The bad reviews were killing sales and

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 1>competitors were catching up. In addition, combat one of the

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<v Speaker 1>big competitors to Packard Bell had been accusing Packard Bell

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<v Speaker 1>of building computers with recycled parts but still selling the

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>computers as if they were brand new, and comback actually

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<v Speaker 1>filed a lawsuit and stated that this was a case

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 1>of unfair competition. An EC would later settle this lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>out of court, but the damage was done in part

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<v Speaker 1>because Packard Bell executives consistently argued that using recycled parts

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<v Speaker 1>really wasn't that big a deal and why are you

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<v Speaker 1>so upset man. On top of that lawsuit, there were

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<v Speaker 1>these new budget like low cost PC companies that were

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>coming out, like E machines. Do you guys remember the

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<v Speaker 1>machines that also cut into Packard Bell's game by Alagam

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and n AC were no longer seeing eye too. I

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>remember NYC came in and essentially bought Packard Bell. So

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Alagam either left or was forced to leave Packard Bell.

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<v Speaker 1>He would go on to become a real estate guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he spent the last couple of decades trying to

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<v Speaker 1>build tall condos in Beverly Hills, California, not too very

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>much success. An EC kept pouring money into Packard Bell,

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<v Speaker 1>but was on the losing side, dropping a couple of

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>billion into the venture overall, before they finally made the

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>decision to shut down US operations entirely and thus only

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 1>sell Packard Bell branded machines in Europe. So in two

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand we saw Packard Bell go away. In the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand six, NBC sold Packard Bell to the

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<v Speaker 1>person who used to own Drumroll Please E machines. Packard

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<v Speaker 1>Bell was folded under a holding company called PB Holdings,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lenovo actually entered into talks to acquire this holdings

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>company and thus the Packard Bell brand the following year

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand seven, but they were beaten to the

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<v Speaker 1>punch by another company. A Sir so Acer took on

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<v Speaker 1>seventy ownership of PB Holdings, the company that owns the

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.839
<v Speaker 1>brand Packard Bell. Acer was trying to prevent Lenovo from

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<v Speaker 1>getting a foothold in the European market. Now recently here

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, a holding company called p b

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<v Speaker 1>X Holdings purchased the Packard Bell I p and you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually find very cheap computer with the Packard Bell

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<v Speaker 1>branding on them again in the United States, but these

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<v Speaker 1>have no connection to any of the previous Packard Bells,

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<v Speaker 1>including the personal computers of the nineteen eighties and nine nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>apart from the name. Now, this again reminds me of Atari.

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Atari was a company that got really big, collapsed in

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<v Speaker 1>on itself, then essentially had its parts sold off, including

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<v Speaker 1>the names, and after a while, the names were the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that really remained. There were no other components

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 1>from the companies that actually remained with it. It was

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 1>just the brand name. And you have to ask yourself,

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.359
<v Speaker 1>is that really the same thing? If all that's left

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.879
<v Speaker 1>is the name is does it have any meaning to it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you could argue that for marketing purposes

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<v Speaker 1>it still does. But that is the Packard Bell story,

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<v Speaker 1>a really confusing, weird one that is continuing kind of

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but really it's like we keep seeing a different James Bond,

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 1>right exce that every single James Bond has absolutely no

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>connection with any other James Bond. That's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>it works. I hope you guys learned something and enjoyed

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