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Speaker 2: Such. All right, guys, we're getting closer. Welcome into a

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Speaker 2: brand new episode of Chargers Weekly. We're about a week

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Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty four NFL Draft and as always,

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Speaker 2: joined by Matt Muddy Smith. Buddy, I think the people

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Speaker 2: have heard enough of us over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you introduce a friend of the show to

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Speaker 2: our listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is our fan appreciation episode. If you will,

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Speaker 3: the amount of incoming for suggesting. It could be O line,

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Speaker 3: it could be Byron Murphy. Maybe it's the first corner.

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Speaker 3: Could it be an edge? All of those things will

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Speaker 3: be put, will be put. We'll put a pin in

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Speaker 3: it for today because Matt Harmon does as good of

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Speaker 3: a job as anyone. When it comes draft time and

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Speaker 3: you want to talk about wide receivers, that is what

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Speaker 3: this pod is going to be going into the draft

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Speaker 3: on a twenty fifth in the first round, the number

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Speaker 3: It's reception perception dot com. UH follow him on all

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Speaker 3: the social media channels. Again, there is no better wide

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Speaker 3: receiver resource you can get, and UH, you know think

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Speaker 3: about this because the three of us work together at

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Speaker 3: NFL Network at NFL dot Com. It's it's like all

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Speaker 3: your favorite bands, may they stay together forever. And that's

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Speaker 3: what this is right here. You reunion of sorts, Matt.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for a liit man. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Well, so many things to say. I mean literally, I

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Speaker 4: have the record all your favorite bands by.

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Speaker 3: Don I think I didn't notice there, but this this guy,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is an outflute pro over here.

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Speaker 4: That's the first thing. It's great to see both you guys.

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Speaker 4: It's awesome to talk to you, especially about this particular

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Speaker 4: topic because listen, I I often push back sometimes when

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Speaker 4: away with one of these top wide receivers. So let's

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Speaker 3: Muddy kick it off. Well, I'll start with this Matt

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Speaker 3: who's your favorite? Because they may have their picks, It's

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Speaker 4: So my mission statement with this draft class is that

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Speaker 4: we have to debate everything. Everything has to be a debate.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got to have hot takes. In my personal opinion, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: So but the reason why, obviously Chargers fans are really

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Speaker 2: We hear so much about how deep the class is,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm boring, and I have Brian Thomas as my

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Speaker 4: Like they're clearly in that tier. I think Brian Thomas

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Speaker 3: But you know, with reception perception, you've been doing it

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Speaker 4: The Tier one receivers, No, Like, I think there's a

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Speaker 2: So, Matt last April, we knew this was coming. We

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Speaker 4: the worst players sampled in reception perception history. We're talking

433
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Speaker 4: about like justin Hunter twenty fourteen, we're talking about, you know,

434
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 4: Devin Functius, like DeVante.

435
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Speaker 3: Park talking first rounders. We're talking like undrafted free agent level.

436
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 4: No, actually we're just talking about honestly, we're talking about

437
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 4: like first round busts like Jalen Rager. We're talking about

438
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 4: you know Marquise Lee, right, you know these guys. Davante

439
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 4: Parker I mentioned, is a guy who scored that way

440
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,719
Speaker 4: early in his career, and he had that like kind

441
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 4: of I think even at his peak, DeVante Parker is

442
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 4: secretly my buddy James Co's favorite player in the NFL.

443
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Speaker 1: But I like guys those are my Yeah. Yeah.

444
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 4: He co owns a site based on receiver separation and

445
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 4: he likes the guy who can't separate.

446
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: So but anyway, shout out to James and DeVante Parker exactly.

447
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 4: But anyway, so that's kind of the bucket of players

448
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,959
Speaker 4: that Quentin Johnson was was scoring in which, you know,

449
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 4: not all of those guys, like I mentioned Parker, He's

450
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 4: probably like an average starting ex receiver as best. Davante

451
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 4: Adams famously is a guy that went from when early

452
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 4: on in his career he was like a bottom five

453
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 4: all time scorer in reception perception to literally like the

454
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 4: ninety ninth percentile. You know, whenever you see a guy

455
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Speaker 4: have a poor rookie season or whatever, people always say, well,

456
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 4: maybe he's an next DeVante Adams. Well, so far, in

457
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 4: my charting sense twenty fourteen, there had never been another

458
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 4: Devonte Adams. It's just been one, and I'm not betting

459
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 4: on that historical outlife. So that in his rookie season

460
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Speaker 4: is where Quinton Johnson is tracking but let's flip it

461
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 4: back to the first question there, which is his prospect profile.

462
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 4: To me, you look at his reception perception prospect profile,

463
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 4: you see a guy that can win on sort of

464
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: what we talk about with Brian Thomas, like a small

465
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 4: handful of routes. Like I think Brian Thomas is the

466
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: kind of the actualized version of what of what people

467
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 4: wanted Quinton Johnson to be last year. He's kind of

468
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 4: a better performer there. But like he can win on

469
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 4: slant routes, he can win on go routes and some

470
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 4: of these kind of like post routes as well. But

471
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 4: his work against press coverage was not good from a

472
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 4: prospect standpoint, his work as a just pure outside receiver

473
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 4: was not going to be great. This was clearly a

474
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 4: guy I haven't even talked about his contested catch rate

475
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: and like struggles tracking the ball down the field. This

476
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 4: is the guy that you would easily watch and say, Okay,

477
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: we need to put him off the ball, we need

478
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 4: to put him in motion. What we can't do is

479
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: just say, oh, big fast guy, let's put him at

480
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 4: X receiver and have him run vertical routes against pressman coverage. Unfortunately,

481
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: most of his rookie season was spent playing X receiver,

482
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 4: running vertical routes against pressman coverage. Like I think that

483
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 4: was a disservice to him as a player. Which Look,

484
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 4: the Chargers had Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, and you know,

485
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 4: they had Josh Palmer, who I think was always going

486
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 4: to kind of be that third receiver last year or

487
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 4: an ideal world if nobody got injured. The problem is,

488
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: like guys get injured, especially those guys had had issues,

489
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 4: especially Mike Williams and Keenan Allen had had injury issues,

490
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: So it was kind of a risky bet, especially you know,

491
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 4: if we're talking about like a coaching staff that was,

492
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 4: you know, kind of on the ropes a little bit

493
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 4: obviously eventually lost their job. I don't know if you

494
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: want to take a peer developmental player kind of like

495
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: this in the first round, but they did, and that's

496
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 4: really what ended up happening. So to me, I think

497
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 4: he was set up to fail in this role in

498
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 4: his rookie season. But I don't think there's completely no

499
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 4: chance that he develops into a contributing wide receiver in

500
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: this room. Like, but it's gonna have to come with

501
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 4: somebody else playing that X receiver position, which to me

502
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: is why a part of why I thought Marvin Harrison

503
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 4: here makes so much sense is just because you could

504
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: throw him in an X and like, all right, now

505
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 4: we play Quinton off the ball. We want to get

506
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 4: him on these crossing routes so he can make plays

507
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 4: in splay in space like he did in college. So obviously,

508
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: like I said, from a historic success rate standpoint, he's

509
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: in a not ideal group. But there have been players

510
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: like I bring up that Devonte Parker example, who ended

511
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: up having like a career role even if their rookie

512
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 4: seasons got off to a rough start. That's kind of

513
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: where I'd put Quinton Johnson right now and sort of

514
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 4: what I think could become of his career.

515
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Speaker 2: Buddy, I was just gonna say, fit, fit is so

516
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: important and in getting him in the rights positions to

517
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Speaker 2: be successful, and that's what the hope is with this

518
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: new coaching stuff.

519
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the thing I think. You know, it

520
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't benefit anyone to say, what were they

521
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: thinking we should have taken say Flowers or Jordan Nadison.

522
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 3: Why would you you know, that's he's on the Chargers.

523
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: He's on the Chargers for another three years, hopefully four years,

524
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: because he plays good enough that they pick up his

525
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: fifty year option, and even that's a discount. But in

526
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 3: Matt that kind of goes back to the question about

527
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: taking the X. So he doesn't have to be the X,

528
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: so we can be the D. Or he's a gigantic slot,

529
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: you know, which look game in sixth basically you know,

530
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 3: not quite that big, but still a tall slot.

531
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Speaker 1: So let's say they do trade down.

532
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: Let's say they trade to Minnesota and they get eleven

533
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: and they get twenty three, and now they've taken their

534
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: corner D tackle or O tackle at eleven and at

535
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: twenty three, same deal, you know, taking the other O

536
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: tackle you know, maybe D N corner, whatever it may be.

537
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: And now they're staring at wide receiver, you know, at

538
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: thirty seven. Give us an idea, because let's just I

539
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: want to keep playing this thing out. It's not Lad macconky,

540
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: it's an X. Is there an X that you think

541
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: has graded out that could end up, you know, being

542
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: a starter day one at pick thirty seven because of

543
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: how deep this class is.

544
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what's funny about this position and kind

545
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: of like the Chargers fans being, you know, like I said,

546
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: rightfully obsessed with taking a receiver at five because these

547
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: guys are so good. But this this position is deep

548
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 4: this year, and I'm telling you it's been deep the

549
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 4: last four years, and it's probably gonna be deep the

550
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: next four years, you know, because there's just so many

551
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: quality receivers and if you want to get a good

552
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: room together around justin Herbert like, you can absolutely potentially

553
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: double tap this position where hey, maybe we don't have

554
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: an X available at thirty seven because kind of answer

555
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: your question there, I think Ady Mitchell is gonna be

556
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: off the board in the late first round. I don't

557
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: think he's gonna be there. And then I'm starting to

558
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: kind of like, I don't know that there's another X

559
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: that i'd like to take there. Because Troy Franklin played

560
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: X receiver at Oregon, He's probably the next guy that

561
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: might be available in that thirty seven range. But man,

562
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: he is rail finn, and I think we're going to

563
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: run into similar problems where he played X in college.

564
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: Let's throw him out there in the NFL. I just

565
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: don't know that that's gonna work. I think he's got

566
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: the technical nuance that you want to see from a

567
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 4: route running perspective, and normally guys like anyway that's followed

568
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 4: reception perception knows. I'm actually like kind of size agnostic.

569
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't normally harp on receiver size over and over again.

570
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 4: But we've got two guys in this class with Troy

571
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: Franklin and Xavier Worthy, where the size shows up in

572
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: so many of their reception perception marks. You know, people

573
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 4: want to be like, oh uh, what about Tank Dell

574
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: last year? Well, Tank Dell had a eighty third percentile

575
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: success rate versus press at that size in college. These

576
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: guys don't have that. So with Troy Franklin, I think

577
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: he'd be kind of the other vertical option that you

578
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 4: might consider in that spot. But I don't know that

579
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: he can be an X receiver. So again, sort of

580
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 4: kind of playing this exercise out a little. Maybe we

581
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: just say, hey, thirty seven the best receiver on the board.

582
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: We don't really care like what his position is. We

583
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: just take him, even if it isn't a guy that's

584
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: going to play X. But then maybe you come back

585
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 4: in the third round or at a different pick and

586
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 4: then maybe you're looking at the like Javon Baker types.

587
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 4: I think Baker's a guy who profiles similarly coming out

588
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 4: of school to Michael galla Up, a guy that at

589
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: Colorado State who showed he could play X and for

590
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys before he tore his ACL was kind

591
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: of quietly really solid X receiver that I always kind

592
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: of liked ahead of consensus, so that that would be

593
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: sort of where we're going later on the draft. But

594
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna be in a bit of a

595
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: tough spot if you're looking for a pure X receiver

596
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: at thirty seventh overall, because I think Brian Thomas is

597
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: gonna be gone and I think Adie Mitchell is definitely

598
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: gonna be gone in the first round.

599
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: Now, what about speed? We know about Xavier Worthy, but

600
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: this team, as you mentioned, they've been lacking that speed

601
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: receiver that you feel like would be a perfect match

602
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: for Justin Herbert in his arm and keep defenses. Honest,

603
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: if you had to identify some some receivers with some wheels,

604
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: maybe in third round later, who would those guys be.

605
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give you a couple of names here. One

606
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: that I think is like you would have minus odds

607
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 4: to be a charger, and then one who I think

608
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: has like no shot to be a charger, we'll go.

609
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: We'll go with no shot first, and that's Jermaine Burton

610
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: out of Alabama, who has some pretty serious character concerns.

611
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Chargers are gonna be kind

612
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: of willing to do that, but man.

613
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah he'll be.

614
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: I may or may not have been talking with somebody

615
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: on Friday who basically said, yeah, book a third round.

616
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 4: He'll be a chief, he'll be a pro pro bowler.

617
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, get used to that. But I say that

618
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: to say, like the film on him is wild, and

619
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 4: like from a speed perspective is incredible. I think he

620
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: separates at all three levels. Like I can imagine Justin

621
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 4: Herbert flinging bombs to Jermaine Burton down the field, who

622
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: just demolishes man coverage and takes over games with that speed,

623
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: takes over the opposition with that speed, very similar to

624
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: like Carson Palmer and John Brown in his career. I

625
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: think I think there's like John Brown sort of comps

626
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: with Jermaine Burton, but he's a bigger player than John

627
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: Brown was, And like the long, Chris, I'm sure knows

628
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: this doing my podcast back in the day at the

629
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: at the NFL how much I loved John Brown back

630
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: in the day.

631
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Judge, So that's high praise for me.

632
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: So the guy I think is much more likely maybe

633
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: minus odds to be a charger is obviously Roman Wilson

634
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: from Michigan, who I do not think has the skill

635
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: set to be a high volume player in the NFL.

636
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: But he's one of these players where you look at

637
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: his overall profile and there's a lot of questions, but

638
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: then you kind of parse things out a little bit

639
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: and these specific routes that he's good on, these big

640
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: over routes, I can see him getting a lot of those,

641
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: like shot plays, big over routes on play action in particular.

642
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: So if they want to run the ball and they

643
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: want to use somebody from a speed perspective, I think

644
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: he does fit in that regard.

645
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: Speaking of Wilson, one of the things that jumped out

646
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: at me, Matt and I'd love to know at reception

647
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: perception if if you, I'm sure you do, but how

648
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Speaker 3: you great it like that dude snatches the ball better

649
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: than anyone, Like when he's running, he does not gather.

650
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: Those hands are there and it's just you know, he

651
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: really snatches the ball. And that was something that that

652
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: jumped out with with Quinton is that body catcher would gather.

653
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: We're dog friendly, don't worry about it, would gather and

654
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: and you know, you see the bobbles and the drops

655
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Speaker 3: and like where do how do you value that and

656
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: how much are you looking at? How does he catch

657
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: the ball? Does he break stride? Is he catching it

658
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: out in front of him? And obviously a lot of

659
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Speaker 3: that's quarterback dependent, so you know kind of where you

660
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: at with that sort of that that particular skill set.

661
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: I think it's something that's more important now than it's

662
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: ever been, and it's always been something that's important to me.

663
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: Guys that can I am obsessed with guys that can

664
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Speaker 4: transition from route runners to catchers two yards after catch

665
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: threats immediately and seamlessly. I do think Malik Neighbors does

666
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: that really well. Obviously at the top of the draft.

667
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, we just talked about Troy Franklin, right,

668
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: He's a guy that I think really struggles with that.

669
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Speaker 4: I don't think he to me, it's it's a lot

670
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: of it comes down to confidence and like trust in

671
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: your your route running, trust in in in confidence really

672
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: like confidence in your hands and confidence to just take

673
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: hits over the middle. You look at Troy Franklin's like

674
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: success right by route chart, the dig route and the

675
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: slant router has two of his worst routes, and I

676
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: don't think it's.

677
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: A technique issue. I just think it's a confidence issue.

678
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: He's looking, he's looking.

679
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: And because he knows if I get hit, I might

680
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: drop the ball. And I already dropped the ball enough.

681
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: Had a conversation with Pukinakua at the Super Bowl Media

682
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: Week where he talked about that was really the thing

683
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: that got Matthew Stafford's attention immediately. And number one, you

684
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: can actually I think the the post draft clip that

685
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: the Rams put out of Sean McVay talking about why

686
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: they while they drafted him was just the confidence through

687
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: the catch point and like he's just he was explaining

688
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: basically on these like dig cut routes and off dagger

689
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: concepts where he would just get the ball and always

690
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: like be right in the right position in transition to

691
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: immediately to a yak threat. That is something that I

692
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: think is super valuable in all receivers in today's NFL,

693
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: especially because we're so inbreaking route heavy, we're so play

694
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: action heavy, or we're really trying to get these crossing

695
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: routes and these dig routes are that you want to

696
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: win the battle of the middle of the field. I mean,

697
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: how many times did we talk about in the playoffs,

698
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: guys where like, all right, Detroit Lion, San Francisco forty

699
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: nine ers, who's going to win this games? Whoever wins

700
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: the middle of the field, whoever whichever offense is able

701
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: to control that middle of the field. So if you're

702
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Speaker 4: going to do that, you need to have guys that

703
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: are confidence in their hands and can have an ability

704
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: to transition from route runners to catchers very cleanly.

705
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're just being polite, but do

706
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: you not see that with Roman Wilson? Did that not

707
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: jump out at you in terms of how he catches

708
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Speaker 3: the ball?

709
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Speaker 4: No, I think he's got great hands. I do think

710
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: he has really good hands. I just I struggle a

711
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: little bit. This is like the one area where I

712
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 4: actually like Roman Wilson as a player a lot is

713
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: on this specific instance that we're talking about, and on

714
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: these inbreaking routes. I think that's a but my question

715
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Speaker 4: is what's beyond that, right, which is why I can

716
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: envision him being like a guy that you throw the

717
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: ball to maybe five times per game, which, hey, the

718
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 4: Chargers could use someone else to throw the ball five

719
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: times to per game. I just think, like when I'm

720
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Speaker 4: grading prospects overall, he's gonna end up being a little

721
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Speaker 4: lower than some of these guys that I can see

722
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: developing into being like one hundred and twenty type target players,

723
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Speaker 4: which there are.

724
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys in this class.

725
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Speaker 4: I don't think Ruman Wilson necessarily is one of them,

726
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of guys that I do think

727
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: have this skill set. He's not the first one that

728
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: jumps to mind, but he's definitely in the category.

729
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Speaker 2: Matt, you mentioned Pookinakua. It's a it's a great segue.

730
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Speaker 2: Who is this year's Pookin Nakula? Who's the receiver that

731
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: we're not talking about.

732
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Speaker 3: Baking a rookie record from the fifth round exactly?

733
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Speaker 2: But but who's the guy who we're not even talking

734
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Speaker 2: about that if he gets put in and it's all

735
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: about too, it's about fit, it's about this right situation.

736
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Speaker 2: But yeah, who could come in rookie year and not

737
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Speaker 2: come out of nowhere but like make a really big

738
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Speaker 2: impact his rookie season.

739
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's not talk about like guys that are going

740
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Speaker 4: to be I think in consideration in like round two.

741
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: By the way, just to follow back on the other point,

742
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: I do think Xavier Leget is a little underrated on

743
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: like the what we were just what we were just

744
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: talking about money that specific expect the rest of his game.

745
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Speaker 1: I got quite.

746
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Speaker 3: Overrated, right, Like people are freaking out over him and

747
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: he looks like he's a little look. I love the physicality,

748
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: but I just feel like we get this guy every year, right,

749
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: Like every year people get enamored with size and he's fast,

750
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, but can he run?

751
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: He actually can he run routes?

752
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a developmental player at twenty three years old

753
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 4: and his fifth year in college and like there you go.

754
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 4: Is he just out there out athleting people? I mean, yeah,

755
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: is he gonna do that in the NFL?

756
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

757
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Speaker 4: So he's a guy that we're deployment really matters, like

758
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: my reception, perception data, my data tracked. She would show

759
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 4: you the guys that score below the thirty fifth percentile

760
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: against man and press coverage like that, which, by the way,

761
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: he does and Keon Coleman does. Although Keon Coleman and

762
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: they really got to are pretty good zone beaters. These

763
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: guys all have to transition to slot like they have

764
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: to and otherwise they're like the list of in the

765
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: prospects I've charted. It's like a bunch of career flameouts

766
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: and then guys who have made transition the big slot

767
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 4: receiver position. But I do think both those guys show

768
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 4: that ability that we were talking about where they can

769
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: have confidence with their hands and move immediately to yeah threat,

770
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to bring them up in that

771
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: regard to that's But yeah, with with Leget especially, I'm.

772
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Speaker 1: Like, man, this is a big projection, but he's fun

773
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: to watch.

774
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Speaker 4: But on your question Chris about like a guy who

775
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: might come out of nowhere, Yeah, I don't want to

776
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: say this guy is gonna be like the next Puka

777
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: Nakua and like, yeah, just break a rookie record whatever.

778
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: But of course I do think Malik Washington is a

779
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: really good player at a University of Virginia. It's kind

780
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 4: of close to here Charlottesville, where I currently live now,

781
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: so you know, no bias there. I mean did if

782
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: you think I was watching UVA football on Saturdays, I

783
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: was not. But he did break a school He did

784
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 4: break two school records this year after transitioning or transferring

785
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 4: from Northwestern, and basically when he got there, the coaching

786
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: staff was just like, We're gonna build the whole offense

787
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: out of you, which is really crazy considering he was

788
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: like a somewhat productive player in Northwestern but really took

789
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: to that role. A guy that can play out of

790
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: the slot, great hands. I like his route running, I

791
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: like his field for space. So he's a guy that

792
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: I do think could be like a Day three type

793
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: of surprise. Maybe he ends up going to the third round,

794
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: honestly because he was so productive and people are always

795
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: looking for that type of slot receiver. He's somebody that

796
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 4: I think won't get a lot of buzz, isn't getting

797
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: a lot of buzz, but high character, Hi the work

798
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: ethic player, a guy that is going to, like I said,

799
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: catch everything. So I like him better than your typical

800
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: what I always call like the bunny hop slot receiver

801
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: arch type. You know, like Wanda Robinson went the dang

802
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: second round a couple of years ago, and I like

803
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: moll League Washington a lot better.

804
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Last thing for me, Matt, and we appreciate it. Again,

805
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: it's reception perception dot com, get over there, follow him

806
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: out on all the social channels, watch the pods with

807
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 3: James co. They're great. This is a wide receiver draft.

808
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: The Chargers are going to draft a or a few

809
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: wide receivers, so you might as well brush up and

810
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: plagiarize all of his work and make it look like

811
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: you're the smartest person exactly. So I'm gonna finish with

812
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: what could be a negative or it could be a

813
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: positive for our friend, our new general manager, Joe Ortiz,

814
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: and just kind of where because I know you continue

815
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: to track pros. It's not just rookies, and this is

816
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: for the draft. This is you know, your your reads

817
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: on wide receivers of the NFL, your thoughts on you know,

818
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: moving Keenan Allen for a fourth because he wouldn't take

819
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: a pay cut from twenty three million bucks and where

820
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: you've seen his game go and Mike Williams, you know,

821
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: for fifteen million bucks and watching him walk out the

822
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: door and kind of what you had seen from those two.

823
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: I think Mike's different because of the injuries, but just

824
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: specifically Keenan and all the people that were, you know,

825
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: belly aching about how you're only going to get you know,

826
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: a fourth rounder for this guy, and why would you

827
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: move him in the first place, all that sort of

828
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 3: stuff that kind of came out of that move.

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Speaker 4: Mike Williams is hard because of the injury. I will

830
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: say I think Mike Williams at his peak was a

831
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 4: better separator than given credit for. Like people think all

832
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: he does is just win jump balls, to the point that,

833
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: like I he's not on in my holy trinity of

834
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: like cops you can't use during draft season, which right

835
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 4: now is Deshaun Jackson, Stavante Smith and it's it's Deebo Samuel,

836
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: like you use that draft company Like Nope, probably not.

837
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: Those are like one on one players. Mike Williams isn't

838
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: quite that guy. But anytime you're like, oh, well he

839
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: can't get separation, he'll just be Mike Williams.

840
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

841
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 4: Also, you know there's been some volatility there at times

842
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: with that outside receiver position for the Chargers, but specifically

843
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: with Keenan Allen. I say this a lot. The one

844
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: thing I am least confident in projecting with reception perception

845
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 4: is the age cliff. There are times where it's obvious.

846
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: A great example of that is twenty seventeen Des Bryant.

847
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 4: You look at his reception perception results throughout his career,

848
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: and then you look at that twenty seventeen season, we

849
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: go from a lot of green to a lot of red.

850
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: It's just like screamingly obvious, like, oh man, this guy

851
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: has fallen off a cliff. You'll lo and behold that

852
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 4: Cowboys release him. He doesn't sign with the Saints until

853
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: November of twenty eighteen, despite our former employer NFL Network

854
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: giving like round the clock coverage to where says, Brian

855
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 4: kind of sign in March. Maybe should ask me anyways,

856
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's obvious. I'd agree things turned out well,

857
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: but anyways, So sometimes it's obvious like that. Other times

858
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: there are guys that sort of have this like steady

859
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: sort of decline and then the cliff is not obvious.

860
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 4: And you know, I think Keenan Allen is in that

861
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: he's in a decline. Like to me, he can say

862
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: he had his best season in twenty twenty three, and

863
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: statistically he did. I think the film would disagree. I

864
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: think reception perception would disagree, which, by the way, is

865
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: no shame to Keenan Allen. He thirty one years old,

866
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 4: thirty two years old. Like yo, we all get old, man,

867
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: we all decline a little bit. And he's he is

868
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: within every bit of his right to say, Nope, I'm

869
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: not taking a pay cut because somebody will pay me this.

870
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: You guys know this as big media bros. You're worth

871
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 4: what somebody will pay you. And if somebody will pay

872
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen that money, like, he's again within his right

873
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 4: to say, I can go get that money elsewhere, I'm

874
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: cool with. That's tough because I am a sentimental man

875
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 4: that loves to see one player play with one team

876
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: for the course of his career.

877
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Speaker 1: But it's a business. Again.

878
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Speaker 4: I think if you're the Chargers, especially a new coaching staff,

879
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: looking at this without that much sentimentality, you can see

880
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: that he has taken a step back. And again we're

881
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: talking about a player that was consistently over the ninety

882
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: six percentile against press and man coverage throughout the course

883
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: of his career, and then the last few seasons there

884
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: has been a slight dip. Now that does not mean

885
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: he is about to fall off a cliff, because I

886
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: think Keenan Allen has shown you the last three years

887
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 4: that when he's on the field he's still really good

888
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: on the short and intermediate routes, especially around the line

889
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. I mean, I'm not the only one that

890
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: said this, I know plenty of people said this, but

891
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: he might be one of the most quarterback friendly receivers

892
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: you can go out and get for a future number

893
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: one pick if you're Caleb Williams in the Chicago Bears.

894
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: So I like the move. From their standpoint, I do

895
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: understand the Chargers looking at this and saying, yeah, stat's aside. Look,

896
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: you guys are following the Chargers fans are, obviously, And

897
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: what have we all been saying about the Chargers offense

898
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: the last year is like, we can't throw the ball downfield,

899
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: We can't throw the ball downfield. Well, your number one

900
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: receiver is a guy who doesn't went on downfield routes anymore,

901
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: and then there's a huge cataclysmic drop off to everybody

902
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: else on the roster. The Bears will not have that

903
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: problem because they have DJ Moore like they can, I think,

904
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: actually get the best out of Keenan Allen going forward

905
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 4: more so than the Chargers can, honestly. So I think

906
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: it's just everything kind of comes to it a head

907
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: here where he's a player that's in a slight decline

908
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: but isn't quite like Alan Robinson I talked about earlier

909
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: as a Roma Dunesday comparison. He was another guy and

910
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: why the age cliffs are tough that had a similar

911
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 4: sort of drop off in his last couple of years

912
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: with the Bears, where from a success rate versus man

913
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: coverage standpoint, he's gone from that ninety six percentile to

914
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: maybe eighty fifth, then down to seventy fifth. Like again,

915
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: still quality scores, but there's that little, just slight tick down,

916
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: and then you see him in his first year with

917
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: the Rams, You're like, oh, oh, it's over. It's over. Yep,

918
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: hell of a time for all of us, but it

919
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: is over. And that's sort of the tough part with

920
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: receiver age cliff. So yeah, there's a chance that Keenan

921
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: Allen goes out there in twenty twenty four with the

922
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 4: Chicago Bears and like looks exactly like he did with

923
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 4: the Chargers last year, which is not his peak play

924
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: of course because he's thirty two years old. Just the

925
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: reality of the situation, he's not his peak level play,

926
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 4: but he's still a very, very good, high quality starting

927
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: slot receiver. There is also the chance that he goes

928
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: out there and he looks like twenty twenty two Allan

929
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 4: Robinson with the rams and just that unknown combined with

930
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 4: the price tag, I think is where the Chargers review

931
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: of the situation.

932
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: Matt, my final thing ninety seconds, I'm going to make

933
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: you the general manager of the Chargers, and you have

934
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: to build out the rest of this wide receiver room,

935
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: whether it's the draft, free agency. What are you doing

936
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: at five? How would you build it out here? As

937
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: we get you out here?

938
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that.

939
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: I if it's me, if I'm the gneral manager of

940
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: the Chargers, I understand that we want to build through

941
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: the trenches.

942
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: But this is a unique opportunity.

943
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: In my personal opinion, with all my wide receiver bias admitted,

944
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 4: I think this is a unique opportunity to take a

945
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 4: top tier prospect at fifth overall and pair him with

946
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert for the next decade plus and never think

947
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: twice about the number one receiver position. If Marvin Harrison's there,

948
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: I would take him. If Harrison's off the board and

949
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: Roma Dunsay and Elik Neighbors are there, I would take

950
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: Roma Dunza because I think that's just the type of

951
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: value I have on a Dounsay as a player. And

952
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, then I think we slot Quentin Johnson in

953
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: at flanker and we just try to see if that

954
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: can work. But I don't want to necessarily count on him.

955
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: I think Josh Palmer can play a little bit of slot.

956
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: I think he can play like as a big slot receiver.

957
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 4: I think he could play flanker as well. But I'd

958
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: like to add one more body as well. Whether that

959
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: comes on it probably day three of the draft. I

960
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: don't see a free agent receiver out there that I

961
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: want to bring into this room, and like, really, I

962
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 4: don't know that there's necessarily a high quality tributor out there.

963
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: I'd take another shot in the draft at it. I'd

964
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: take them Elik Washington, I would take a Jalen Polk,

965
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: although Pete Traeger put him in the first round of

966
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: his mock today.

967
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you.

968
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: Actually it was pretty crazy, yeah, but I mean, shoot,

969
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: we go all Huskies here in the wide receiver room.

970
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: But I would take Roma June's Aaron Marvin Harrison at

971
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: fifth overall and figure out the rest of it later

972
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: because I think it's a unique.

973
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: Opportunity, right and free agents. DeVante Parker's off the market,

974
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: so you can't go out.

975
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna he's up there with the Eagles.

976
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: You know, can't get him by James going at Eagles

977
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: Parker Jersey.

978
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. Be sure to watch James, watch Matt.

979
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: They do the pod.

980
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: They'll be doing a live stream for Yahoo during the draft.

981
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: Check that out and obviously subscribe to reception perception. It's

982
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: it's great stuff, Matt. We appreciate it. Mayor Brothers el

983
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: Comino run forever. I'll leave you with that.

984
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, buddy. Thank you guys for having me. It

985
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: was awesome. Thank you that you're the best.

986
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: We We recorded this a little bit early because our

987
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: boys going to Hawaii. So if there is a if

988
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: there's a major trade that happens in the next twenty

989
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: four to forty eight.

990
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: Hours and we didn't talk about it an emergency with

991
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: an absolutely if there's a major trade, then then I

992
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: will do it.

993
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I will do it my tie in hand.

994
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: The shapes of Waikiki absolutely beautiful, all right.

995
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: For the Mats, Matt Harmon and Matt Muddy Smith, I'm

996
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Chris Hayrey. This has been Chargers Week.