WEBVTT - How the TERFs Ruined Cycling 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:10.119 Wonderful good podcast introduction boys the West part of the podcast. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.920 Maybe that could just be hor retro, Hi Mayre, how 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.320 are you we're doing a podcast? 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.320 I've been feed a the chess world has decided that 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.960 my chess powers are too strong, and I'm now I'm 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.520 now being discriminated against. It's a good time, very excited. Yeah, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.000 having a great time with my biological advantage at chess. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.400 Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, you've got to reach 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:42.159 those those chess pieces somehow, and it's old to do 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:43.400 with your hip angle. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.080 Trying to my wrists are too powerful. This allows me 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.880 to write down my moves faster than my opponent, thus 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.320 giving me an advantage on the clock. I can also 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.000 reach the clock faster. Incredible stuff happening in the world 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.040 world of chess. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.480 Not just chess, sadly, but the fact the Turfs have 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:10.880 got their clause, I guess, into many sports, which is 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.480 what we are talking about today. Specifically, I thought we 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.200 could talk about how the Turfs were in cycling, Yeah, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.000 because that is the thing they have been trying to 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.120 do for some time. It's a thing I've written about before, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.479 and hopefully a thing I'll be able to write about again, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.559 and unless the cycling press just kind of gives itself 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.360 over to the turf, which doesn't seem to have done, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.200 to be fair, generally, generally dicycling press, I think it's 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.759 fair to say, has lacked an intersexual analysis of anything. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.280 But they've been better on this than I had expected, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.480 especially the outlets which are not run by white sis 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.800 heat dudes in Boulder, which, to be fair, is a minority. Yeah, strange, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:57.240 that odd? How odd? But yeah, shouting in particular to 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.720 Outside for including a gear guide to the gear the 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:05.000 cop used at the twenty sixteen RNC, which could perhaps 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:10.280 be included as the most tone deaf article ever written. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.880 incredibly comment and then to leave it up in twenty 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.919 twenty to not like cover your tracks. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.520 You know, this is one of those. This is one 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.280 of those like when the workers take Boulder like no 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.000 biker will go hungry moments. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.079 Ah Yeah, Boulder, Colorado is a special place for bad things. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:30.760 I won't say bad things to happen because they had 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:37.400 not a format shooting, but like social Yeah, intersexual analysis 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.760 has not made it to Bolder savvy. Great, great shame. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.760 But when I'm talking about Boulder today, we're starting out 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.560 with a little discussion of cyclo cross. So, cyclo cross. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.560 Are you familiar with cyclo cross? Mire? No, okay, so 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.200 it's a fundamentally silly sport in which I've competed, of course. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.600 It's it's when competitors race skinny tired drop bar bikes 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:09.440 on off road course. Yeah, I would please google preps. Okay, 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.120 I'm going to send you one one cyclic cross video. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.440 It is iconic for people who are who are at home. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.840 The videos called is joey Okay, we can we can 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.040 have mere reacting live. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.560 The first picture that I saw when when I googled 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.200 this is two people not riding on the two people 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:32.520 carrying their bikes. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.600 Yes, so this is a thing. Right, you get really 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.720 good at cycling, you train your entire life and then 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.840 and then in cyclic costs are parts where you have 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.080 to get off. Unless you're very talented. You can hop 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:49.040 the barriers. I've tried that with mixed success or you 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.120 can also you can ride the stairs, but you do 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.160 have to be a bit of a boss. So there 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.920 are barriers and challenges which you have to get off. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.520 It's called field riding in Dutch, which is about right 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:10.880 writing have you watched the video will include a link 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.840 in the note to everyone else of it. Did you 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:15.880 watch it with the sound on? 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.680 Yeah? Okay, I'm trying to figure out how to describe 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.080 this effectively. What has happened is this guy Okay, so 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.160 these guy's like going at full speed and then while 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.760 the bike is still moving, he's attempting to get off 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.400 the bike before he gets to this barrier, and he 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.200 like he just goes. He does not get offentime. The 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.400 bike's going too fast and he like he is he's 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.159 like sprawling, but in mid aires he's flying off his 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.160 bike over this barricade thing. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:51.680 EDGs. It is incredible. Yeah, all the time people are 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.680 shouting his name. And that's what you're supposed to do. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.919 You're supposed to dismount and just carry the speed. You 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.599 kind of you can thwing your leg through a thing, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.960 your leg to outside and then carry a speed and 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.719 jump and then hop back on it. It's a very 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.040 strange sport, right, And a big part of cyclo cross 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:12.320 is heckling. So the crowd will heckle you, right, they will. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.240 They'll do all kinds of things like often like crowd 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.200 hand ups are a big thing in cycle across. So 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.200 like I've been handed dollar bills. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.479 Yeah, what is happening in the sport? 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.800 Oh yeah, it's very funny. And the moment, you're not 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.120 compective if you're just grabbing ship off the spectators. So like, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.240 like I remember racing in Las Vegas at night. There 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.479 was a race in Las Vegas at night, and I 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.440 ain't gonna win right like then, so I'm just grabbing 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:48.640 dollar bills and shoving them down my like like people 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.400 will hand you like drinks. I've had beer hand ups, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.719 donut spake, and one notable occasion a cookie that was 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.880 not just a normal cookie, which you should fucking disclose 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.320 to someone before you get to Yeah, that was a 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.840 bad day. I also had a pretty rough traumatic brain 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.400 injury that day. Oh no, yeah, I'd already sustained brain injury. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.800 And the cookie. I thought my blood sugar was low, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.919 so I was like, yeah, I'm going to get that 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.440 cookie and it's going to be great. It was not. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.000 It wasn't the blood sugar. It it was affected my cognition. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.520 So cyclo cross is fun and silly, and heckling is 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.679 part of it, but like heckling occurs within a certain 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.960 certain bounds right, Like you're not supposed to be mean, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.279 it's just supposed to be funny, like everyone's supposed to laugh. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.920 So I think in twenty twenty one everyone was rather 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.640 it's funny signed as a part of it too, right. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.160 But in twenty twenty one we saw some shit that 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.080 was distinctly not funny when a group called Save Women's 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.920 Sport posted up at the race and held what were, 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.800 as you can probably guess by the name, transphobic science 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.239 throughout the race. So a lot of people were upset 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.760 by this, and by their own admission, nobody wanted them there. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.920 One woman told the protesters your shiit feminism isn't welcome here, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.320 which I think would be a great T shirt. If 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.440 she's listening, please will license your T shirt from you. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.000 And they were pretty rarely rejected by most of the community, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.920 which is great, But the bigotry they bought really wasn't 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.280 a surprise to anyone who'd been paying attention to online 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.120 discourse for a while, especially with respect to cycling. The 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.160 harassment of trans cyclists has been escalating for years. For 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.880 at least five or six years now, the governing body 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.280 USA Cycling has known about this and chosen to have done 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.200 nothing to stop it. Right, So this particular focus on 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.239 cycling came about in twenty eighteen when anti transcardras began 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.920 to focus on the sport because of the success of 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.640 a woman named Veronica Ivy. She wasn't called Veronica Ivy 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.240 at the time, and she was using she had a 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.480 different name then, but that's her name now, so I'm 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.080 going to use that name out of respect for her 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:03.520 choice for that to be her name. She she won 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.239 a world championship in the women's thirty five to forty 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.800 four spring category. Now, like, I have no disrespect at 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.960 all for masters athletes. It's great. I'm glad people are 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.680 out there exercising. This is not the same as an 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.520 Olympic gold medal, right, like the big I would I 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.400 mean people may disagree. The biggest determinant of your ability 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.360 to win a master's track cycling gold medal is the 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.000 amount of free time you have to exercise and the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.880 amount of money you have to buy fast gear and 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.640 get to the event. Right, wait, what what is like? 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:38.320 The difference between masters is it's competitions for older people. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:43.120 So it's so in cycling you have juniors and there 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.079 are various you know, obviously the eight year olds don't 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.920 compete with eighteen year olds, but up to eighteen is 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:51.680 juniors espoirs is eighteen to twenty three. We use a 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.280 French name because you know, you want to be all 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:59.480 what is what is what? Jesus Christ? Yeah, this French 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.720 name under twenty three, right, you can call it if 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.600 you want it to be an angler phile. And then 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.920 from there you go into the elite competition. Elite competition 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.000 is it's actually eighteen and like an eighteen year old 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.240 could compete in an elite competition, so could a fifty 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.599 year old, right, But it's the highest level of competition. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.360 And then you get protected age categories again once you 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.240 get to thirty five, so thirty five to forty four, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.600 forty five to fifty four going ten year blocks, right, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.520 and that's for people who are only of that age. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.080 Now it's the older you get, the less competitive it gets, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.000 just because more people will fewer people will be racing. Right, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.280 But thirty five plus masters sometimes they call it baby masters, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.720 is not. You don't have a significant decrease in your 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.000 endurance performance at thirty five, so like some of these 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.880 people are still very good, and that's why they call 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.520 it baby masters, I guess. But like track cycling is 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.920 not a big sport to begin with, right, that's going 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.439 around in circles on an indoor velodrome. Master's track cycling, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.520 it's a smaller sport. And then I know some excellent 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.320 masters track cyclists who just don't care to go to worlds. Right. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.679 They've been professional cyclists, are very high level amateur cyclists, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.960 and once you reach your mid forties, some people don't 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.600 care to travel and spend that money and do that competition. Right. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.240 San Diego has a really great track scene. Some people 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.360 who I know very well have recently won multiple world 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.000 championships on the track, like, we have a very thriving scene, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.679 but not all of those people even care to go 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.160 to La to race worlds like, let alone travel across 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.840 the world. Right, So it doesn't necessarily truly mean the 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.800 people who win Masters are the best athletes in the 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.640 world for their age group. And certainly I wouldn't say. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.000 There are lots of things that make this competition unfair. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.880 One of them is how much track bikes cost, how 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.120 much track time costs, and how much travel costs to 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.600 get to the event. But of course it didn't matter 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.479 to these people, right, What mattered is that a transfoman 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.720 had won, and she became the center of the culture war. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.640 And this was really at least the first one that 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.080 I was aware of, a sort of instance of someone 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:12.280 a trans person winning a very a notable event in cycling. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.680 And maybe trans people have been competing in elite races 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.040 in cycling for forty years, like Wally Cameron was the 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.000 first trans woman to race in a World Cup, and 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.839 Money's been racing for a while, and no one said shit, 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:32.160 no one cared, right, But around twenty eighteen, the culture 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.480 war around trans people was becoming heightened, and so people 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.800 got mad about her wing the race. And since then 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.200 there's been this steady increase in transphobic sentiment towards by Crass. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.959 It's really the sort of leading voice in this has 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.360 been former probke Grace at Inger Thompson. She's been joined 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.280 by a few amateur women in various fields voicing their 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.240 feelings about the participation of trans women. And Thompson has 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.439 made a lot of statements, some of which I'll, you know, 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.320 choose not to share with you. You can google them 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.760 if you want, but most of them will be like 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.040 she misgenderous people all the time, right, that that's what 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.400 you can find her on Twitter, misgendering people. And I 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:16.000 think that that is kind of the giveaway that this 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.079 isn't necessarily about sport, right. And I think that it's 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:25.200 really important that people, regardless of where you stand on sport, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.960 understand that this is a wedge and it's a wage 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.080 that's designed to push trans people out and away from 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.360 femininity in a way, from inclusion. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.360 Yeah. I think one of the reasons why it's important 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.920 is that it's a way of focusing the discourse like 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:50.600 on trans people, on like really really weird interpretations of 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:55.280 physical characteristics. Yeah, and this is something that you can 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.400 use to sort of like, you know, this, this is 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.000 the wedge that you can use to sort of like 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 tear this sort of issue open. It's been really really 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.440 effective at this, and it's also been like, you know, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.640 it's something that's sort of like vaguely plausible, plausibly deniable, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.960 and it also plays on a really kind of effective 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.480 branding strategy that these people had, which is that, like, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.839 you know, if people remember what feminism was like in 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:25.000 like the twenty tens, it was almost entirely about you know, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.760 not just in the twenty tens, like you even sort 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.480 of previous to this, right, Like the notion that like 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.840 women are weaker than men was something that was like 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.560 like broadly considered to be sexist, Like that was not 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.400 a feminist thing that was like like women are weaker 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.120 than men. And then you know, you get you're when 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.600 you're getting into people complaining about like like trans women, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.319 like being on Jeopardy or like this shit that's happening 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.960 in chests that we're going to talk about later, it's 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.960 like okay, Like if you go back in time to 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.719 before sort of trans arrangement syndrome set in, like and 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.120 you told someone that in the future, this person is 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.679 going to be arguing that like like like trans women 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:10.079 have a biological advantage in Jeopardy because men are smarter 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:11.920 than women. They'd be like, what the fuck are you 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.800 talking about? Like this person is like a neo Nazi. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.000 Yeah, it's oh that women are only defined by their 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.000 ability to bear children, right, and and then that is 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.280 your sole characteristic and value as a woman, Like yeah, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.120 and like like this. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.160 Is and this is something that you know if you 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.520 go back to like Simon before God I hate French 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.920 it's really a true it's a truly terrible language. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.800 That's the official stance of this podcast, Anti French Action. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.440 Yeah yeah, but like you know, I mean, you know, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.080 like you actually read the Second Sex, and like in 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.000 the Second Sex is talking about you know, literally like 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.280 her famous line it's like women, like no one is 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.960 born a woman like women is made right because it's 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.160 it's it's it's it's it's a social process, not a 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.320 biological one. And then you know, and and but because 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.960 there was like a kind of cultural victory for feminist 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.320 where it suddenly became really really difficult to be a 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.320 mainstream person and like call yourself, like call yourself an 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.560 anti feminist, Like all of these people who believe all 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.720 of the same shit that like phylish Lafley did, like 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.440 have to relabel themselves feminists. And you know, and sports 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.040 is the sports the thing they picked to do that 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.680 because sports is the like it's the area they can 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.880 pick where they can, like with some plausible deniability, start 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.560 doing all of this like oh, women are inherently weaker 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.520 than men and have to be protected from men like 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:32.600 shit again. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.640 Yeah yeah, and it's yes, it's very much like un 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.160 recontstractive stuff that we would have seen if not feminist 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.920 twenty years ago. Now sadly it's being advanced by people 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.720 laying claimed to feminism. I guess yeah. So in the 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.600 most recent Phyclocross Nationals, trans athlete Austin Cillips finished third 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.720 at the event, local John Browann gun club members had 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.760 attended to step in and protect transathletes what's governing body 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.760 wouldn't And it was actually a really I mean, what 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.240 you saw was a lot of discourse online about Austin 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:13.400 quote unquote blocking uh and SIS woman athlete, and then 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.880 you saw like a lot of people sort of saying 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.880 that and like SIS women had been I guess, like 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.280 you know that Austin's inherent biological advantage I'm using heavy 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.280 scare quotes here had allowed her to come third. She 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.520 got beaten by two SIS girls, right, Like this is. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.960 Always the thing like that. There was one of these 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.840 in skateboarding where like this turf skateboarder was like yelling 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.640 about how she'd been beaten by a trans woman and 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.560 you look at the results. She lost to an eight 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.280 year old. She was outplaced by an eight year old, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.640 like shot the fuck up bullshit, like. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.960 And a lot of the discuss about like Austin quote 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:55.920 unquote blocking someone like I don't know, but to me, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.960 it very clearly seemed to come from people who hadn't 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.960 watched many other bicycle competitions, right, Like that's what we do. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.840 You push on each other, you lean on each other. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.760 Like if you didn't do that, people would follow over 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.159 a whole lot more. It's a race, you're trying to 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.520 get to the finish line first. But she didn't do 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.720 anything that anyone else wouldn't have done. And at the 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.720 time Turfs kind of tried to make this a big 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:21.159 deal but were unsuccessful. And it was not really until 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.920 Austin won a race in New Mexico, a big race 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.800 tour of the Healer, that it became again, Like it 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.919 wasn't twenty eighteen a very big deal? Right? So one 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.160 of the key leaders, as I said, is Inga Thompson. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.240 Inga's a very accomplished cyclist, There's no doubt about that, right. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.720 She's a Bicycle Hall of Fame inductee, five time national champion, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.240 three time Olympic team member, a Tour de France firm, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.560 and a podium finisher, a three time silver medallist at 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.240 the U Show World Championships, but I think she's arguably 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:57.720 more famous now for her anti trans bigotry, and she's 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.600 appeared she tried to encourage cyclist to take a knee 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.440 in protest at the ucis transgender inclusion Yeah, which like. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.320 Fox News finally finds something that they're for. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:19.160 Yeah, they've finally. She was actually removed from her role 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.760 on the board of a France based American protein for 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.399 her statements there. I thought that their statement is kind 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.080 of interesting. They said, if shared in the absence of politics, 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.800 her knowledge and experience would benefit many in advanced cycling 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.360 for everyone. However, she has decided to dedicate her time 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.280 to excluding people that otherwise currently eligible to compete and 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.280 UCI events. She is also tempted to use our team 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.359 as a platform for political activity, which like is a 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:49.399 very neutral stance, but it's also it's also like it's fine, right, like, like, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.879 our cycling team isn't here to hate trans people. If 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.480 you're going to use it for hating trans people, please 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.040 go somewhere else like it. It doesn't you don't have 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.080 to like take a hugely radical stance to be like that, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.560 this isn't a hate platform for hate speech. Like like 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:09.440 go away, and that they added to be clear, Miss 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.359 miss Thompson is entitled to her opinion's an advocacy, but 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.399 her methods and personal attacks are inconsistent with ciniska's mission 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:19.159 to advanced opportunities for women. These methods, well documented on 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.720 Miss Thompson's social media presence, include dehumanization of transgender people, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.440 spreading misinformation, demagoguery, and personal attacks on anyone who opposes 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.240 her views spellow alert that includes me. She doesn't like 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.840 me it all, I don't don't be mean to trans people, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.159 don't missgender my friends. So I did think it was 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.080 very funny that like this team isn't like the like 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.879 I don't knowe that like the woke team for woke people. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.440 They're just trying to get along with helping women cycle 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.639 and they can't do that if they're one of their 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.240 board members is so consumed by hate that no no 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.159 one wants to have anything to do with it. So 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.400 in the wake of this protest, the twenty twenty one 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:03.359 Save Women's Sport protest fliletted they're unofficial with USA Cycling, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.119 published an open letter calling for the resignation of the 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:12.520 organization's CEO and the safe sport coordinator Kelsey Rickson, who's 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.360 responsible for preventing hate speech and bullying. They gather one 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.159 hundred and five signatures from racists and other cyclists in 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.200 support of their demands, and a day after they sent 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.199 the letter, De Martini announced he was stepping down. So 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.439 he has a bit of a failure of just like 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.600 there's a statement he made an interview where he said 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.720 it would be different if our athletes were going to 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.560 be affected. When he was talking about bands for trans 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.119 athletes in interscholastic sports, he said, we don't believe they 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:45.320 will be which look in technical and in technical sense 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.240 because cyclists could be for clubs, not schools. They might 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.400 not have done. But if you think that a ban 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.000 on trans kids playing at school isn't going to affect 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:58.320 participation in trans athletes in all sports everywhere, either completely 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.639 myopic or bearing your bigotry. He claimed he was quoted 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.080 out of context, but it was part of a pretty 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.000 big block quote. I don't see how that could be 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.120 taken out of context. They did say at that time 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.840 that they're against any legislation limits trans inclusion. It's worth 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.760 pointing out that cycling has a body as to all 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.080 Olympic sports. It should prevent hate speech, bigotry, and bullying, right, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.520 And that's called Safe Sport set up in twenty seventeen, 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.480 and that was following what happened at USA Gymnastics, right, 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:34.040 which was widespread sexual abuse of athletes. People I'm sure 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.159 will remember that Safe Sport, I feel fairly confident in 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:42.840 saying has completely failed in preventing abuse, preventing harassment, preventing bullying. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.040 What it has done is is perhaps given a legal 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.960 shield to governing bodies, so has prevented them getting sued. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.840 But it's done nothing to prevent this kind of bullying, 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.760 which is why athletes and the community have had to 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.280 taken upon themselves to do that. Right, Like, if there's 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.560 one thing you should expect a governing money to do 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.440 to make sure everyone feels safe at races. But people 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.880 were legitimately worried about racing in areas where they knew 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.480 there were a lot of not just turfs, but like 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.080 groups like the Proud Boys right, who have kind of 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.600 hung their hat on transphobia. I know people who didn't 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.840 go to races in areas where they were worried about that. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:25.720 I know people who, like you know it went out 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:27.560 of went to an effort every day to drive a 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.720 different way back to their hotel at races because they're 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.080 worried about like people genuinely felt unsafe doing something that 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:39.199 no one should feel unsafe doing, which is playing. So 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:47.080 as I said, you know who won't make you feel unsafe? 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:53.359 I I'm going to say the products and services, and 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:54.400 then I'm gonna. 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.119 They will wrap you up in a cocoon like blanket 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.480 of gold and coin and meal kits. How can do 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:06.679 you not feel so safe when you're surrounded by Reagan coins? 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:08.800 No one fact checked. 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.800