WEBVTT - Take Two w/ Jenna Elfman 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:07.040 It's been so long since I have um seen and 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.559 worked with Jenna Elfman. She reached out to me on 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.080 Instagram and I instantly like pink her back and said, 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.160 oh my god, Hi, how are you. I'm so curious 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.800 about so many things, you know, particularly like what's her 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.200 life like? I know she doesn't live in l A anymore. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.080 I know she's homeschooling her kids. So here goes. I'm 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:33.560 very excited to talk to my friend Jenna Alfman. Hi, Hi, Okay, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.599 wait a minute, why do you look so good? This 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.559 is like a podcast. Well, I don't know. Well, you 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.479 do look really good. Wow? Thank you? Did you do 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.120 it yourself? Yeah? Really? Come on? How did you get 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.040 your hair looking like that? No? My hair. I had 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.600 blow drive this morning. But I can't do if I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:56.400 want you, I just I hate it because it's my hair. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.840 I don't have to. Yeah, well you look good. How 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.720 about your makeup? Did you about yourself? Yes? I did 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:08.800 my own makeup. I used Jones Road Beauty. Oh yeah, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.080 what do you? Thank you so much? You're welcome. I 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.119 bought some under a different alias, and then you sent 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.200 me some amazing things like incredible and it wasn't the 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.040 same I bought, so that was great. There was no 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.560 I love it so good. Thank you, thank you. Well. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.960 You know, it's so funny because we've reconnected after all 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.600 these years on Instagram where you said something really nice 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:36.600 and I'm like, whoa wait, Hi. So first of all, Hi, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.360 Hi Bob. So good to see you. Yeah, it's good 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.319 to see you too. Remind me because I don't remember 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.680 how long ago we worked together. I think you were 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:52.960 still on Darman Greg. Yeah, I think it was twenty 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.840 two years ago. Oh my gosh, because it was Academy 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.480 Awards after party. Oh my god, amazing memory. It's so 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.960 funny when I think back at my life back then. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.040 I don't always remember the details, but I remember how 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.679 much I liked working with you, always how easy or 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.799 makeup was but to do because you're so naturally pretty. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.639 But just how much I enjoyed working with you. Because 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.520 there are so many celebrities I don't have those find 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.000 fuzzy memories. Oh that makes me happy. Thank you, And 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.480 it's the same, you know. I think one of the 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.560 things that I that made me reach out to you 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.320 again when I saw your post was just I was 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:42.080 reminded by how sincere and genuine you are and and 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.800 how much you care you know, And it's um, it's 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.960 funny with beauty because it can, by default, it kind 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.960 of can land in you know, a very sort of 0:02:54.960 --> 0:03:01.440 self centered or sort of frivolous, you know whatever. It 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:07.080 can go there, especially with celebrities or whatever, and your 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.160 whole point of view especially I mean not for me 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.320 to evaluate and tell you what your your point of 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.840 view is, but what I received from your communication was 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:23.040 just it was so much leaning into the beauty of 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.240 being a woman, like the value in the world that 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:33.960 a woman brings, and aligning that natural value, aligning the 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.960 products and the application thereof and the whole concept around 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:43.200 it to enhancing the natural beauty of just being a woman. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.400 And and I just love that so much. And whenever 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.240 you communicate on your social media, it's always encouraging women 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:56.480 to find like there's something special for every single individual. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.400 Every person has their own magic. And I just feel 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.600 like you leave into that and your products support finding 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.080 that for yourself and and anyway, I just was like, ah, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:13.160 I love that so much, especially you know, aging and 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.320 and everything. And it's funny too. I don't mean to 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.720 be on a rant, but like with with aging two. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:25.320 To me, it's it's like improvement. Aging to me is 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.400 an upward spiral, not a downward one, because I have 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.920 so much knowledge and experience, and I have my own 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.960 point of view and I know it's my own now, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.200 and it's just everything you said and I felt it 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.160 felt so where my head and heart is at, you know, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.880 And I just wanted to acknowledge that when I reached 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.560 out to you well, as someone that always interrupts people, 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.720 I made sure I didn't because what you were saying 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.440 like means so much to me. And just ironically, my 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.960 head of marketing, who is my son, has been saying, Mom, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.040 we can't put in words what you do and what 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.279 you think and and so we're looking for a rand 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.960 marketing person. But we just recorded everything you said. So 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.279 I'm going to like play it for my son because 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.560 it was it was said exactly the way I feel 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.400 and think. And aging, first of all, like is such 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.680 a positive. And I'm so much older than you are, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.400 which I never realized. I mean, I turned sixty five 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.680 this year, so you know, how how do you I'm 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.680 I'm fifty now, I'll be fifty one in September. Okay, 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.479 you know and like it's crazy. Fifty sounds so young 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.160 to me. You know, it's crazy. You know it's crazy. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.200 And you've got two little boys. I do, but one 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.279 just turned fifteen this wu and your son you work 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.039 with your son. My heart just like totally skipped a 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.800 beat because the idea, the idea of like, it must 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.680 be amazing, Bobby. You put all this time raising your 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.920 kid and now they're working for you and you get 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.520 to see all of the values and knowledge that you 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.680 know landed, what didn't land or whatever. But to be 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.240 working together, I was like, oh my god, it feels 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.520 like a dream come true to me. Yeah, dream or 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.800 you know, not the easiest thing in the world. You know, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.920 you were who worked towards everything. Not only is my 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.760 son who he's my my head of marketing, his wife, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.320 who's expecting my first grandchild, is the head of social 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.240 So you know, it's a very interesting thing. But you 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.760 know my yeah, I had little kids when I worked 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.359 with you, and now they're thirty, two, thirty, and I 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.920 did have a third of twenty now he's twenty four, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.400 and so you're in the fun stuff. Does it feel fun? 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.880 It is fun. I was just before we before I 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.680 got up to put my makeup on. I was having 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.520 an afternoon snuggle with my boys in bed, and I 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.000 feel so lucky that they're twelve and fifteen and they 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.640 I was like, okay, guys, I have to get up now, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.320 and they were like wrapping their arms around me, going no, Mama, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.359 more snuggle And we were just laying there watching the 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:05.760 Office and laughing and stuggling, and it's I am in 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.760 the fun zone, it is, but they're you know, preparing 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.800 them for life. Especially my fifteen year old. He's very 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:18.240 like looking towards the job and driving and apprenticeships, and 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:23.040 it's it's very I feel like all of the oil 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.640 of motherhood leading up to this moment is now like 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.000 going to manifest, and is the opportunity to point out 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.120 all those things in the real world, Like really that 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.480 I've been talking to him about. He has kind of 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.640 something to compare it to. Now, you know it's not 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.800 just mom lecture lessons. Well, do you know that whenever 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.040 he's rude or mean or whatever the moments are, it's 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.560 because he's preparing to like be independent from you. I 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.440 had to read a book the first time because I 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.920 was like devastated, and it's really it's true, and they 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:01.640 all come back you know, so is so plus thanks. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.480 I know, I know, but you know, you burn and 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:10.560 melt and sweat and worry and cry and hope, and 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.440 no one thanks you till maybe they're in their twenties 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.440 and they get out in the world and then they 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:20.680 see maybe that not everyone is has values the way 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.280 they do, where has manners the way they might, and 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.440 then they call you hopefully and go, oh wow, I 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.400 get it now, thank you. I have some perspective. I 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.440 called my mom because I was like, mom, my work 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.559 ethic and people at the at the job really really 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.920 appreciate um all the things that I do and you 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.160 taught you and dad taught me all of that, and 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.600 they really see that not everybody has that. I just thought, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.120 I don't know, and thank you. I get why you 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.640 were strict. I get why you didn't let me party. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.800 You know, I get the curfew time. I understand, like, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.160 I get it, and I just was like, oh my god, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.240 thank you. You know, I grew up here in l A. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.960 Here I'm in Austin. I grew up in l A. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.600 Are you a movie kid, like, were your parents in 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:11.600 the industry? No, my dad worked for Huge Aircraft, and 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.000 my mom was full time mom and would sometimes work 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.720 part time jobs at the ballet studio, you know, where 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.240 I was studying because I was trained to be a 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.360 professional dancer, and I was a professional dancer. So my 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.079 whole upbringing, every day after school, six days a week, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.280 was not at the mall or anywhere else, but it 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.840 was in the ballet studio training. And was Darmin Gregg 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.920 your first big like breakthrough star moment. Yeah, I had 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.720 just done one uh series right before that. That was 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.640 my first series regular and before that was you know, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:53.079 just auditions and guest star roles and um for six 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.200 months before that. So and I had just gotten an agent, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.439 you know, UM, so that I did that one series 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.920 called Town Knees and I got noticed from that, and 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.600 twenty century Fox gave me a development deal based on 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.720 my work on that and then gave me a list 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.920 of writers that they had deals with and said, pick 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:14.920 whoever you want to create a show for you amazing um. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.800 And so yeah, I had met with one set of 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.200 writers and they were like, oh, we're really interested, but 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.760 we're already developing something. We have to wait till next year. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.559 And I just I could tell I felt I knew 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.920 I had momentum, and I didn't want to lose the momentum. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.319 So I was like the next on the list, you know. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.000 And so um, that's how German Grand came about. And 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.400 how many years were you on the air? That ran 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.160 for five years, but it was you know, every every 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.880 season was twenty two to twenty four episodes, so they 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.520 were big long nineties sitcom seasons, you know. And has 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.760 your kids saying that the series, yeah, barely, They like 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.319 really don't have any interest in watching me on television 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.400 because I'm with them all the time. They're like, why 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.600 am I watching you? You're sitting right here my mom, Like, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.880 I don't know, I know, you're yeah, you're funny. We 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.760 have fun Like I don't need to watch you do something. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.760 So every time I watch Fear the Walking Dead, you know, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.760 they're into the Walking Dead universe and they like that 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.720 I'm in that. So they'll watch my episodes of Fear 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.040 the Walking Dead. Well, it drives me crazy that the 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.040 kids in my office, you know, if they haven't seen 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.280 it on Nick you know Nickelodeon, Like I had Harry 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.920 Connack Jr's kid in the office. I'm like that her 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.119 father's Harry Connick Junior. They looked at me like who, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.360 I'm like, do you not know who Harry Conna Jr? 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.000 Like you you know, how do you not know who 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.120 Blondie is? Like? Guys? So you know? But uh yeah, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.280 So what do you miss the most about that period? 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.760 And what is the most fun thing that you are 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:49.600 doing right now? Um? I think I don't know. You know, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.000 there's no social media when I was doing Darmind greg um, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.720 and there was a focus to the work and to 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.240 the experience of being on set. The structure of doing 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.679 press was very different, you know. The it was just 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.240 you had you know, you had more viewers because there 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.360 were less networks. There was no streaming, there was you know, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.240 so we were doing like twenty two million viewers every 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.800 week like that was regular. And I think I just 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.679 I think I missed the power of the focused audience, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.440 you know. Um there was just something to that. Uh. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.199 And it meant something if you were succeeding on a show, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.319 it really meant something and it and it meant something 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.080 to your own contribution as an artist and everything like that. Um, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.959 what I love doing now that was the opportunity, the 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.560 fact that I've had a long career and in my 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.520 late forties, getting Fear the Walking Dead and having the 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:57.760 opportunity to totally reinvent myself, to lean into human storytelling 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.240 from my point of view as a woman now and um, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.080 and my character is incredible. What they write for me 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.600 to do is like such a blessing. So I'm really 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.760 enjoying the fact that I feel like I'm starting brand 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:15.040 new and everything feels new and challenged in the most 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:20.560 incredible way. And and and it's a fandom and it's 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.040 like a whole other experience and I really love that. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.280 But the fun part is that when I meet the 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.400 fans from the Walking Dead universe, they're like, I loved 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.360 you and Darman Gregg so they have this Dharma and 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.760 Greg love too. And they've accepted me into this you know, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.760 apocalyp post apocalyptic drama. And it's just that's been really 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.679 cool and I feel so grateful. So who do you 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.559 What do you hear most like from which place to 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.360 people know? You know? Um, well, probably I get a 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.000 lot of June from Fear the Walking Dead, but now 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.400 it's a blend. They're like, oh, June, but I've always 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.360 loved you since Starma, you know, um but you know 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.360 Fear the Walking deads. I think Aims is one of 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:06.000 their biggest international shows. Um so and Darmond Gregg was 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.560 in every country. So that's just been a really nice 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:15.320 um blend of bringing audiences together that that's been really 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.920 really great and I it means so much to me 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.000 when because with Fear the Walking Dead, it's so character 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.960 driven and your characters go through so much, and the 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.560 the fans really really lean in with their heart and 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.720 soul into your character's journey and they feel the emotions 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.960 you feel, they're right there with you. And so when 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.880 you see people on the street and they and I 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.560 love my character and I am so committed to my character, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.960 and I'm really into the Walking Dead universe and I 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.280 love all of it. And so when they got June, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.320 I love, I love how you played that thing or 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.760 that moment or oh my god, my heart broke for you, 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.840 like they're invested, and I just find that so special 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.720 and cool. And you, I mean, you want a Golden 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:07.120 Globe and Emmy to Emmy nominations. So do you go 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.400 to the award shows now? Have because this is all 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.560 for Darman Gregg? Right, Yeah, that was for Dharmin Greg. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.560 I haven't been only because I started having my kids, 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.640 and I really I find when I'm at work, as 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:28.000 you know, as any working mother knows, when you're away 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.240 from them, you feel you should be with them, and 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.960 when you're with them, at after a certain point, you 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:38.040 start longing for. It's raising children's very creative, but you 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:43.840 long for also your own personal creative outlet. And so 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.920 I just when I started having my kids, I didn't 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.800 go to events unless it was directly connected to something 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.320 I was doing, because I knew that when I am working, 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.200 it's so hard being away from them. So when i'm not, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.960 I'm really with them. And even when I am working, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.800 I'm very much with them. They usually bring them with me. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.800 It's easier when they were a little younger, you know, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.760 you can just tote them around and stuff, but now 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.600 they've got their lives and their friends, so I really 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.080 take time off when I'm not working, I really am 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:27.160 with them. Well, it's so funny because I was just 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.240 wondering because I'm sure when you are going to the 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.360 award shows and you were younger, I mean, there was 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.360 an excitement, but there also must have been an angst 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.400 about what do I look like? Do I look good enough? 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.600 I don't know. You all worry about different things, like 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.640 what did you worry about? And do you think you 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.160 would still worry about the same things now? A hundred 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.080 percent would not worry about the same things now, not 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:54.080 even close zero. No, what I did worry about though? 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.160 I had that and i've you know, had time to 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.880 look back on all of that now, And it's funny, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:05.840 it's almost childlike your anxieties when you go to event 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.960 press events because you're you know, when you're a kid 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.439 in school, you don't want to get in well, if 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.680 you're a good kid, you don't want to like get 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.800 in trouble, and you want to please people, and you 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.520 want to be accepted and you don't and you want 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.760 to be admired and all of these like panicky, weird 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:29.000 like why you know? And once you crossed the threshold 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.960 for me anyway of like my late forties into fifties, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:40.080 I so understand the value of my own integrity based 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.200 off of what I observed in my life and my 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.840 own knowledge and knowing what I know has so much 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.399 value to me and nobody can take it away or 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.360 touch it, and it's gold and that to me, when 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.840 I'm now on a red carpet or doing press, I 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.720 am so in the pocket of my own experiential knowledge 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.240 that I don't care what anyone thinks, you know, I'm 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.520 not there to please anybody. Um there experience. Yeah, and 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.840 are you dressed differently? Did you try to fit something? 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.800 And now you just know what you are and what works? Yeah. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.639 I wanted to like be you know, sort of I 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.000 want people to dig me, you know, And now like 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.720 I totally don't care if they do. And I dress 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.679 for what sparks joy and what I love or what 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.639 just feels fun, just because it brightens my spirit, and 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.560 that has so much value. I think you really start 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:41.080 seeing what, what does, what's valuable, what is important? Like 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.000 what actually is gold and what's fool's gold, you know, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.439 and getting approval from others as fool's gold. It's it 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.399 has it does the next day, they're not there with you, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.199 nothing nothing they they're not there with you in the 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:59.960 hard times. Impressing them has no long term meaningful value 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.440 you because they're not there when life gets hard, and 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.879 when life gets hard, you're there with your own abilities 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.040 and your true friendships. And like, to me, that's the gold. Well, 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.840 it's funny because the invitations fly in, you know, after 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.760 COVID they fly in, and it's like, do I have 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.480 to go get an outfit where I'm going to be 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.240 uncomfortable and get my hair done, in my makeup and 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.280 worry about it, or can I just go to my 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.480 friend's house for dinner, you know, with wet hair and 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.000 a ponytail. And it's like not even I don't think 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.720 twice about it. Where I used to like, oh my god, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.520 I should really be there. There's gonna be all these 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.679 great people, and now I'm like I don't want to 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.720 do it. You know. It's like to get me somewhere, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.480 it has to be like a value add for me personally. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.920 It's like I want to be with other women who 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.680 are helping other women who are powerful and who are 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.879 smart and not just you know, wearing a flower dress 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.439 and twirling. So totally yeah, yes, yes, I feel like 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.199 if there's you know, very interested in people, like I 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.320 just think people are very interesting and um, you know, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.479 if it's an event where I feel like I'm gonna 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:09.199 learn something or I'm going to have a great conversation, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.880 even if it's like a superficial fluff event. But if 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.879 there's someone I know that's going to be there that 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.679 I can like have a really great conversation with and 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.280 like have a takeaway, especially like a great woman who 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:26.240 I admire or something that I wouldn't have the opportunity 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:31.560 to have that experience otherwise, then I'm like, yeah, maybe 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.199 you know, like you said, where you can have a 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.280 great conversation, there's a takeaway. It's it's it's an enhancement 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:38.600 or can I you know, am I going to be 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.400 speaking where I can maybe enhance someone else or inspire 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.920 somebody to make the world better because I don't need 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.200 the like green check mark of who wore it best? 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.520 Like I. It's like, yeah, you also have a change 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.760 ability to parent or joy and you also have this 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:01.680 long term relationship marriage with your husband. Um and it's 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.399 his real name Body, Yeah, born and raised Body. He 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.280 had a very hippy mother, yea from like was he 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:12.159 from like Colorado or something or a heart of Hollywood 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.840 like sunset and conga. Wow? Okay, And and what are 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.679 the you know, what are what are the challenges trying 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.320 to like figure out, you know, how to make him 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.399 happy and your kids happy and your career and forget 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.280 about the fourth thing, which is you Like, I'm only 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.760 asking because I understand it, but what are the challenges 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.920 for you? Yeah? Uh, you know. A long time ago, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.880 I happen to read this article, this interview with Madonna 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.919 and a fashion magazine, and it was long before I 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.080 had kids, but she had kids and they were young 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.040 at the time of this article, and I just this 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.159 lodged in my mind. She she was just because she 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:51.719 was asked the same question, like, how do you do 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.919 it all? How are you Madonna and a mother? You know? 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.600 And she said time management, and that just like stuck 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:04.359 in my head. And I really really have become a 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:08.400 big fan and user of time management. Uh. It's amazing 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.400 what you can get done in a day if you're 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.239 organized enough. Sometimes I had a protest about being too 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.800 organized because it just felt unfun to me. And I'm 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.800 much more fly by the seat of my pants if I, like, 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.280 if I didn't have other people who like needed me 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.040 to fulfill certain needs, I would just float through my 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.840 days enjoying the spontaneity of life. That's my happy life. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.800 But there's too many things that need to be in harmony. 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.359 So it's really It's taken me a long time to 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:42.800 find my my best working practice for being organized, and 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.240 it sounds really technical, but I'm going to share it 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.560 here because I never know if there's another one. It 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.679 took me forever to find a work system for me, 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:55.159 and I finally found one. It's very administrative, though, but 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.560 I finally figured out because I'd have like too many 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.639 to do list because I wear so many hats, and 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.720 I thought we'll have a to do list for each hat, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.120 and then it's like, well, that's way too many pads 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.800 of paper. And so what I ended up doing is 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:12.439 I made a preprinted daily form that has all my 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:18.200 hats on it, all my areas of demand, which you know, um, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:22.879 from homeschooling my kids and their needs of doctor appointments 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.800 and whatever, to my own podcast, to working on my 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:32.959 own script, to my own doctor appointments, to exercise, et cetera, nutrition, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.959 And I have one big old to do list, and 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.440