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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast Finale Edition

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Speaker 2: Part two. Ben is at a conference right now, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to meet with a panel of our Bachelor

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Speaker 2: faves and we're going to just get their opinion on

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Speaker 2: the finale. His his, uh, what would you call it? Rachel?

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Speaker 2: It's a Rachel rakia with us right now. Grants, it's

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Speaker 2: not a bad decision to pick somebody that you think

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Speaker 2: you're properly fit with. What's the bad decision here is

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Speaker 2: that you told the other girl it was her the

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Speaker 2: whole time.

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Speaker 3: Crazy crazy and going off that I don't even feel

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Speaker 3: like we were shown as like much as he did

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Speaker 3: say that, Like, I feel like I didn't realize so

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Speaker 3: she was sitting down on the couch. How much of

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Speaker 3: a switch up I guess this was. I don't know

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Speaker 3: the whole time I thought she was running away with it.

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Speaker 3: But as viewers like, we know, sometimes it's not how

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Speaker 3: you think it it. So I'm curious to hear your opinion.

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Speaker 2: Well, I gave my opinion for our audience to know

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Speaker 2: in the episode with Ben. Mine is just so I'll

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Speaker 2: just briefly summarize it here. I just I think that

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Speaker 2: he wanted somebody to date and not somebody to necessarily marry,

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Speaker 2: because he knew that Letia was like, we're on the

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Speaker 2: marriage path, We're on the kid's path within two years,

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Speaker 2: this is our timeline. I think he just knew that

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Speaker 2: with Juliana he could have more fun, he could kind

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Speaker 2: of play by year.

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Speaker 3: I also feel like there was I'm actually kind of

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Speaker 3: shocked they with this like confusion storyline because watching this

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Speaker 3: last episode, I feel like he could not be more

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Speaker 3: obvious it wasn't Letia.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I didn't mention that. Yes, I didn't mentioned

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Speaker 2: that with Ben. I think that he was like really

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Speaker 2: happy to see that, like the Juliana's connection was catching

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Speaker 2: up with Latia because I think he started to feel

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Speaker 2: the Litia relationship was too heavy.

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Speaker 3: And the second he sat down with his dad, which

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Speaker 3: by the way, his conversation with his dad was probably

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Speaker 3: my favorite part of the episode, but not.

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Speaker 2: For me, not the not the final conversation with the dad,

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Speaker 2: but the conversation that he had during one of the

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Speaker 2: girl meet and greets where the dad started crying about

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Speaker 2: how he was going to be involved with his life going.

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Speaker 3: I know, and like, even after everything that he opened

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Speaker 3: up about on Gen season, like seeing this kind of

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Speaker 3: all come to a close for him, it was very nice.

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Speaker 3: But the second he started mentioning, he started like throwing

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Speaker 3: in seeds of doubt about Latia and about the king.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just so confused because Grant is thirty one,

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Speaker 3: and did he not say he wants kids? Like when

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Speaker 3: do you want those kids? It just felt like he

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Speaker 3: was looking for an excuse to pick Juliana. I don't

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Speaker 3: even know if it was that. It just felt like

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Speaker 3: he was looking for something.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought this up because this is

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Speaker 2: stuff that I didn't talk about with Ben. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: think that he made that comment to his dad saying

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Speaker 2: like I played basketball my whole twenties, And it sounded

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Speaker 2: as if he wanted to say but couldn't say because

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Speaker 2: he's a bachelor. But it sounded like he wanted to

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Speaker 2: be like, and now I just want to have fun,

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 3: To travel, I want to like, you know, you're picking

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Speaker 3: your two decisions. Here are someone who is a little

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Speaker 3: bit older and who's ready for the family and ready

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Speaker 3: for every single thing that you said you wanted. First episode,

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Speaker 3: you stood there and you said, this is what I want.

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Speaker 3: But now you have this option. Okay, Juliana, she's a

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Speaker 3: little just a tiny bit younger, and it doesn't feel

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Speaker 3: like to him maybe as much pressure. And now that

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Speaker 3: this is really coming into the engagement, which all these

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Speaker 3: men too, I think don't realize they're actually getting engaged,

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Speaker 3: I know, like across the board. And I think now

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Speaker 3: he's like, oh shit, I'm getting engaged and now I

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Speaker 3: because I do think he has a great connection with Juliana.

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Speaker 3: But as a viewer, this definitely was a crazy switch

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Speaker 3: up at the end, but not at the very last minute.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he was conflicted at last minute.

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Speaker 2: I think that that was kind of built up too.

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Speaker 2: I think what he was conflicted about was that he

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Speaker 2: had said so many things Latia that he was like,

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Speaker 2: how do I get off the hook here? Uh huh,

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Speaker 2: I've just buried myself in lies, like this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm scared about, not necessarily who I'm gonna who

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Speaker 2: I'm drawn to picking.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and I'm I actually am shocked too that

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Speaker 3: they It feels like they protected him a lot with

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Speaker 2: We think that they took a lot out of that,

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Speaker 2: like deciding term oil moment, because like he just they

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Speaker 2: teased it all season long, like he's gonna have He's

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Speaker 2: gonna go in thirty minutes beforehead not knowing. But we

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Speaker 2: didn't really see any of that emotional debate in his I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't see any debate. I saw him sit down with

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Speaker 3: Litia and basically try to get her to like have

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Speaker 3: and she's like, no, it's fine, it's totally fine. We

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Speaker 3: could discuss how you feel in those three years, Like

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Speaker 3: she was literally saying, like anything you want, here's the plattern.

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Speaker 3: It just felt like he was trying to get hurt

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Speaker 3: a doubt because he was doubting. But then she said

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Speaker 3: that he was saying, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't they air that, like genuinely, where's the footage

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Speaker 3: of that? Because I believe her. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I believe her too, and I'm dying to know

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Speaker 2: what was said in the finale. Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 2: Fantasy sweep, the Fantasy sweep. And I also would love.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they would never do this to a lead,

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Speaker 2: though maybe there was like one lead, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: I thought they were like protecting him, like especially having

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Speaker 3: the panel of leads come up and to distuss that

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Speaker 3: was crazy and I feel like it was overlooked how

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Speaker 2: You're right, that was a defensive mode.

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Speaker 3: That was them being like you love you love Charity,

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Speaker 3: you love Gary. Look they did it too, you hate Clayton.

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Speaker 3: It felt like that's exactly what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: I love getting your take on that. That is so

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Speaker 2: so true. See overlooked in a dirty way, like you

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Speaker 2: know how like they they totally produced Jen's finale in

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Speaker 2: a dirty way where it was like, how could you

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Speaker 2: do this to her? So it's almost like they did

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Speaker 2: the opposite here where they were like too kind to him. Yes,

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Speaker 2: because if we wanted to do him dirty, then we

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Speaker 2: FaceTime with Lttia's mom being like, wrap up this sh

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Speaker 2: now it's her.

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Speaker 3: And him being like she said on their last chance date,

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Speaker 3: he said, I can't wait to get engaged tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now aired.

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Speaker 3: If that actually aired and the FaceTime aired, the world

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Speaker 3: would be destroying him where now, I feel like I've

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Speaker 3: seen a lot of people like hating on Latia. Really, yes,

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Speaker 3: have you not seen people are like the switch up

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Speaker 3: of the Tia was crazy. I'm like, he's lucky she

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Speaker 3: didn't freak out on him. She thought it was her.

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Speaker 2: She used her brain and not a lots as much

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Speaker 2: sas as she could have. She did use SaaS but

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Speaker 2: it was well articulated.

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Speaker 3: She is so much class. I would have been first

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Speaker 3: of all, me and you would have just been crying,

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Speaker 3: like emotional message. She was in shock, and I thought

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Speaker 2: She did, She really did, which is crazy. I love

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Speaker 2: I love your take care. So seeing Clayton up there,

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Speaker 2: basically I love you too? Did he say I love

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And she told me I'm the first one he said

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Speaker 3: it to an eight years So of course I also

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Speaker 3: thought it was just I'm like, oh, it's just me,

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Speaker 3: like you always.

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Speaker 2: It's just you. Yeah. So how do you feel in

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Speaker 2: Latilla's shoes having been in such similar shoes, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, no matter what he said to me,

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Speaker 3: I always knew there was a chance, like.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't me because he said things like I love you,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't say you're the one stop the show.

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Speaker 3: No, she never said that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just think I was so aware of like the environment,

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Speaker 3: it would like I really thought I was running away

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Speaker 3: with it. But I can't imagine how she felt being

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Speaker 3: told I love you, it's you. Yeah, like that's end game.

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Speaker 3: Cut the tapes, he said. I think he did say

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Speaker 3: something along the lines of that in his Fantasy Sweet interview,

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Speaker 3: but I have no idea how she held it together.

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Speaker 2: So well, Well, I would still love to see you

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Speaker 2: in Bachelor and Paradise, which I know that you probably wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna do That's okay, I respect it. You

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Speaker 2: know that would have been your fourth show and you

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Speaker 2: were a lead, so you don't want to do Bachelor

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Speaker 2: of Paradise twice. But listen, what do you think about

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Speaker 2: the whole adding the goldens in?

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that, No.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, nobody cares about my opinion. I already

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Speaker 2: gave it your turn. I hate it, okay, Ah, that's

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Speaker 2: the general consensus. It seems like people really did want

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Speaker 2: the Goldens to have their own mingle show, but they

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Speaker 3: I think there is just a special thing about Golden

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Speaker 3: and what makes it different is that it is wholesome

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Speaker 3: and it truly is about like finding love, and it's

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Speaker 3: such a deeper message. And I think Paradise just is messy.

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Speaker 3: It's produced to be messy. That's why people like it,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think watching them be messy is going

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Speaker 3: to give me entertainment. So feel like we have to

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Speaker 3: realize that everyone on that beach is an adult. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like producers are looking at it like, oh, clearly,

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Speaker 3: you know the Goldens are just gonna be interested in

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Speaker 3: the Goldens and they're gonna do But it's like they're

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Speaker 3: all adults, Like who knows, Like what is going to happen? Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It just feels like a mess waiting

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Speaker 3: to happen unless they are separate. I don't know. Not

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Speaker 3: that's something bad would happen, but it just feels like

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Speaker 2: I think to them, it sounds like a show that's

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Speaker 2: enticing for people to watch who've never watched before, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be like, wait, there's old, older people dating on

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Speaker 2: a beach, and it's like it's like Love Island with

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Speaker 2: young people like, I mean, with older people like I

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Speaker 2: gotta check this one out. So that's I think it's

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Speaker 2: for getting new viewers in. I mean, this sounds awful.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this sounds awful, maybe, but I don't want them

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Speaker 2: to like I'm tired of them stealing the younger people's

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Speaker 2: thunder there are it. I feel like I feel like

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Speaker 2: they're kind of just taking up space for there to

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Speaker 2: be more bachelor young couples that, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm obviously saying this from somebody who met my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. And I also I was talking

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Speaker 3: to someone about this last night, and I mean, if

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Speaker 2: We just didn't need extra in Paradise because Paradise already

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Speaker 2: I feel it's like you feel like that's not wholesome.

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Speaker 3: Like I know, but do people want to watch old

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Speaker 2: I think that maybe they do. You don't think people. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get Bob and because Bob and

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Speaker 2: Tester are coming up next, and you know they're they're

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No in there, I'm talking about their actual physical age. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I am so so so happy that I

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Speaker 4: That's all I'll say. Because if I was.

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Speaker 2: Are they gonna be at the same Rose ceremonies? Like

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Speaker 2: that would be weird, now, that would be crossing a line. No, No, it's.

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Speaker 3: Just and it's also like these like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, it just are uncomfortable. I would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Rachel, thanks for giving me your take,

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Speaker 2: and I love that it was different than what HA

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Speaker 2: see you next thing. You the greatest, all right, We'll

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Speaker 2: see you next time. There will always be so many

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Speaker 2: next times with Rachel. All Right, see you, Rachel. Trista

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Speaker 2: Sutter's here, guys. I need to pick up where I

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about the Golden Golden's in Paradise and

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the Goldens like their drama.

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Speaker 6: And actually the fact that Leslie's going to be on there,

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Speaker 6: And maybe the reason one of the reasons that I

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Speaker 7: But I also.

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Speaker 6: Feel that, like I'm starting to feel kind of what

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Speaker 6: I feel that sometimes at my age, and I feel

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Speaker 6: And they deserve love, you know, they deserve to find

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Speaker 7: They are great.

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Speaker 6: Television, and I think, why not, like let them not

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Speaker 6: you know, of entertainment.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're saying the exact opposite of what

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Speaker 2: I just said. I go, I feel like they're they're

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Speaker 6: I think it is because it was such a success.

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Speaker 6: You know, that's I would I would think. But you

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Speaker 7: It's never been done before.

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Speaker 6: We'll have to see if people like it, if they

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Speaker 6: what the hell am I doing here? Like I should

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Speaker 6: not be here. Who knows, Like, who knows what's going

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Speaker 6: to happen. It will all depend on the cast. And

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Speaker 6: it's really funny because we Bob and I just had

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Speaker 6: this was an announcement.

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Speaker 2: And he had just broken up with his girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: Yes, basically I think that he was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: you know, maybe Golden.

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Speaker 7: Bachelor, like if I was asked to be the Bachelor.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think I think it'll be really interesting.

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Speaker 6: I love the cast members that they've had. The only

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Speaker 6: fact that they don't have a lot of cast to

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Speaker 6: and maybe that's why they're combining it, you know.

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Speaker 7: And I wonder also how that's gonna work, Like.

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Speaker 6: Are they all going to be in the same you know,

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Speaker 6: they going to separate them and have them join together

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Speaker 6: like just hanging out during the day. Like I'm really

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Speaker 6: you know, how they're gonna do dates, if it's going

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Speaker 6: like Zoe was up there and I'm thinking, gosh, you know,

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Speaker 6: there are relationships where there's a huge age gap, Like

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's their hope?

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Speaker 6: I mean maybe for the producers because it would get

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Speaker 6: people talking. I don't see it happening, but I'm just really,

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Speaker 6: It's actually kind of exciting and it's getting us all talking.

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Speaker 7: So I think that's smart.

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Speaker 2: Who has not been announced that you would most certainly

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Speaker 2: like expect to see there.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I don't even know who's been announced.

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Speaker 2: I would expect to see Nancy there. Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: I guess I always see is Leslie and Gary. Yep,

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Speaker 2: beat a big Gary, not no bachelor Gary. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just like assuming that, Oh my god, how I'm forgetting

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Speaker 2: her name? Who's the third woman?

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Speaker 7: Susan?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 7: Not Susan and Cathy.

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Speaker 2: Susan and Kathy obviously are going to be there, obviously.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll be there for sure.

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Speaker 2: And then and then who was it April? Why don't

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Speaker 2: want to April? April?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, April.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if they'll bring her back because there was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. And then Nancy, of course,

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Speaker 2: I think all the men want to see Nancy. And

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Speaker 2: then what about Faith Faith?

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Speaker 7: I love Faith. I wonder if she would do it.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I feel like, if they don't have

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Speaker 6: out at the beach. Hopefully it's going to be at

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Speaker 6: also think Jonathan would be great. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: he knew about Bachelor in Paradise when we talked to him.

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Speaker 6: I would love to see him on there. Oh and

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Speaker 6: Jonathan from Gentran season, I don't know if he's been announced.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely been there. He's great.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, what about like.

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Speaker 6: Not old school, but older school people like Mike Johnson

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Speaker 6: and right, like, yeah, I would love to see him definitely.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who's single who was a bigger name back in

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Speaker 7: Yeah, right, yeah, right, no.

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Speaker 6: I And I'm you know, I think it'll all work

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Speaker 6: Letia because there's not going to be a bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I was telling Ben. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Latia has to be in Paradise, and he was like.

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Speaker 7: No, he doesn't think she'll do it.

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Speaker 2: I think that Ben has like thing about Paradise. He

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Speaker 2: was never there, so I think that there's like almost

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Speaker 2: sort of a stigma. Event I might be wrong. He

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Speaker 2: should be here to answer for himself, but he says

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Speaker 2: he doesn't see her doing that. And I'm like, if

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Speaker 2: there's no Bachelor Wrette, you gotta do.

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Speaker 6: It right, and it's another chance to meet somebody, especially

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Speaker 6: if you were pretty serious.

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Speaker 7: And it seemed like she was pretty serious.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she might still be heartbroken even though she

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Speaker 2: No, she's done, she's done. That was the kind of

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Speaker 2: breakup where she like doesn't even have to mourn it

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Speaker 2: because he was, as she said, such a different person

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Speaker 2: than she thought he was. That like, she's like, oh, whoops,

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Speaker 2: I was in love with somebody who was like kind

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was heartbreaking to me, but I was like,

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Speaker 6: you go, like, just speak your truth. I loved. One

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Speaker 6: of my friends texted me and she's like, oh, oh

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Speaker 6: my gosh.

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Speaker 7: She is such a rock star.

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Speaker 6: And her clarity, like she really was just so clear

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Speaker 6: in her thought process and like her like the way

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Speaker 6: that she's arrested.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like why, I'm like, it's like the hand

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Speaker 2: of Brown moment, you know, Yeah, why can't I be

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Speaker 2: like that when I'm upset, Just be like boom boom boom,

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Speaker 2: they're my points. You can't retaliate.

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Speaker 7: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 6: She was so clear and very articulate and so mature,

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Speaker 6: and she had all the receipts, you know, like she

440
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 6: was like, you said this, you said this, you said

441
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 6: it then then, and you said it the day before.

442
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 7: Like I don't know, I don't know. Grant and.

443
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 6: Juliana seem really happy, and I'm happy for them, and

444
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 6: I hope that it works because that's just who I am. Like,

445
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 6: I want all the couples to work out. But I

446
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 6: feel like unless Julianna doesn't watch the show, which could

447
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 6: possibly be the case because a lot of them don't

448
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 6: watch the show, I think she might have a hard

449
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 6: time with what happened between Grant and Matia.

450
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: I was very interested. I was very interested by the

451
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: fact that they seemed so happy dory hunky dory when

452
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 2: they met at the end on the couch, because I

453
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: was assuming that they would be like, oh, we've gone

454
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: through it.

455
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 7: Right, you're so right.

456
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 6: I was expecting that too, and they seem really happy.

457
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 6: So I wonder if she hasn't watched the show and

458
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 6: she's just trying to stay away from the gossip and

459
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 6: people talking about it, who knows. I feel like that's

460
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 6: kind of the only way you can be successful.

461
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Is if you just kind of it.

462
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look at like Dez and Chris.

463
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 7: You know, I feel like her.

464
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 6: I don't think she said it was isn't exactly the same,

465
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 6: but I feel like her, and I think it was Brooks.

466
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 6: You know there was something between them and I Chris

467
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 6: didn't watch the show and.

468
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: Look at them.

469
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 7: They've got three kids now, you know, very happy.

470
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: Good good point. This almost is the most similar. That's

471
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: the most similar scenario that I can think to this

472
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: because they were just the entire time it was Brooks,

473
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: give me Brooks, gave me Brooks, and then it was like, no,

474
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: it's Chris. And I was like, oh, was that your

475
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: default exactly? But we now know that we know that

476
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Juliana was not his default girl. No, he definitely picked her.

477
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: But I do think that he picked her because he

478
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: wanted to date someone, because they said he said, I'm

479
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: looking to have fun now after playing basketball for like

480
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: my twenties, and it's like, wait a second, this is

481
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: what Rachel just brought up. Didn't you start this season

482
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: being like I am ready to be serious right now?

483
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 6: One hundred. He definitely said that, and I think that's

484
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 6: too bad. You know that he got to the end

485
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 6: and he was like, oh, well, this whole timeline like

486
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 6: like Lytia was saying, like, I told you about my

487
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: timeline the second week, why are you bringing it up

488
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 6: the day before?

489
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: It was his way of getting out of it.

490
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I bet.

491
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 6: And I wonder if like the compatibility between them in

492
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 6: you know, more intimate moments was.

493
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 7: Made him happier with Juliana.

494
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: Who knows.

495
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 6: Okay, maybe there was more physical compatibility between them, and

496
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 6: he realized that later on. I don't know, but if

497
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 6: I was Letia, I would be pissed too, because he

498
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 6: definitely if he said all of those things, and I

499
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 6: one hundred percent believe that he said those things to her,

500
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 6: that that is one hundred percent leading her on, like

501
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: and he was like, what do you think that I was?

502
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 7: Did he say leading you on or misleading? Do you

503
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 7: think that I was leading? And She's like, yes, you.

504
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: Said let's get engaged tomorrow.

505
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 6: I know, and actually I So it's funny because Ryan

506
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 6: ended up watching the last half of the show with me,

507
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 6: or the last little part, like maybe fifteen minutes, and

508
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 6: I was like, that is why you don't tell people,

509
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 6: at least multiple people that you love them, Like you

510
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 6: don't say all of these things you have to be

511
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 6: thoughtful about what you're saying. And with Ryan and I

512
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 6: it was similar in the well the opposite. So I

513
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 6: didn't say I love you to anybody, and I waited

514
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 6: to even tell him even though I was in love

515
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 6: with him until we were standing face to face and

516
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 6: getting engaged because Alex Michelle told me two days before

517
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 6: the final Rose ceremony that he was going to pick me,

518
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 6: and so I totally went into it thinking, like Letia,

519
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: like I'm getting engaged today and it just breaks your heart,

520
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 6: Like as didn't tell me all of the rest of.

521
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 7: Those things that Grant told Lytia. So I don't, and

522
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 7: I don't.

523
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 6: I don't claim to know what she's going through in

524
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 6: terms of that, but I do know that it is

525
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 6: heartbreaking when you are thinking one thing that your life

526
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 6: is about to change in the best way then the

527
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 6: way that you hoped for when you started the show,

528
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden you're like.

529
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa is this reality? Like what is happening?

530
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, he just took it a step further because now

531
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: on the show you're like, oh, if you say I

532
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: love you doesn't mean it's necessarily me because we've seen

533
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: it before where it's not actually that person and if

534
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: you are a scholar of Bachelor history and you're on

535
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: the show, you could know that. Yeah, and the but

536
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: Grant really took it a step further by saying like

537
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: you're the one stop the show blah blah blah, and

538
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, totally they they protected him.

539
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, no kidding.

540
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 6: They did not show any of that to us, just

541
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 6: until the very end. So I mean, Letia will land

542
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 6: on her feet. She is I feel like the whole package.

543
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, my gosh. I just I love her. If

544
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 7: they were having Bachelorette she would be but never chee win.

545
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: I felt more connected to her than I felt connected

546
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: to a Bachelor contestant in a while.

547
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I loved her.

548
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I guess Joey. I guess we all like Joey. Actually,

549
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: I liked Joey on Charity season was great, Yeah, but

550
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: I didn't like wasn't like obsessed with it, Like, of

551
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: course not suss with Joey, but like I didn't think.

552
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: I didn't think like, wow, this is a great Bachelor

553
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 2: character until he was like announced as the lead. Then

554
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: he like had that haircut and like kind of a

555
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: glow up and he was, and everybody was making like

556
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: the tiktoks about it, and I was like, Oh, I

557
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: love what he's doing for the franchise, and I feel

558
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: like I love what Latilla has done for me. Is

559
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: a your as well. Finally somebody who I'm like, no, girl,

560
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: you rock. You find someone really really deserving of you.

561
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 6: Yes, she deserves it. And I really really really hope

562
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 6: that she opens up her heart again because when she

563
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 6: said that, I've never said I love you to anybody

564
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: I've ever been in a relationship with, because I feel

565
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 6: like it opens the doors to me being hurt or

566
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: it's more likely that I'm going to be hurt or

567
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 6: that's going to be taken away from me. Oh. It

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 6: broke my heart because I was like, she just opened

569
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: up and did this, and then she got her heart broken.

570
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 6: So I really really hope that that doesn't dissuade her

571
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 6: from opening her heart again.

572
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, Well we have Bob coming on next.

573
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you think that Bob would be

574
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: especially wonderful at talking about recording this episode.

575
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 6: I think the Golden stuff for sure, because he's met

576
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: a lot of those people you know with you or

577
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 6: you know, I don't. I don't know that you were there,

578
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 6: but I feel like he's met a bunch of the

579
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 6: Golden people, so I think he'll have a good insight

580
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: into how that's going to go down. And I think

581
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 6: he'll he'll speak his mind when it comes to how

582
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: he feels about Golden Bachelor in Paradise just in general,

583
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 6: you know, yeah.

584
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, alrighty, thanks Trista. We're going to get him on now,

585
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: talk about I know he'll be so good. Oh yeah, Trista,

586
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: thank you so much for all of your thoughts.

587
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 7: Of course, thanks for having me.

588
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: Bob.

589
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Hello there, Well, hi, Hi, how are you?

590
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 5: I am great? How are you doing today?

591
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I wanted to ask you because Trista

592
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: told me that you would have some interesting insight into

593
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: this announcement that Paradise is going golden.

594
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 8: So yes, I'm actually very excited about this, and I think,

595
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 8: you know, I've had some conversations with people where they

596
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 8: think it could be a little gross.

597
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 5: I think it could be a little awesome, you know.

598
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I love the building cast.

599
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 8: I spent a lot of time with them, and I

600
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 8: feel like there's a couple of people there in particular

601
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 8: who will be really fun and make it very memorable.

602
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't know. I mean, what are

603
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: your thoughts on it?

604
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: Well, my thoughts are probably unpopular. I just like, I

605
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: don't want more, I don't want time taking away from

606
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: the Traditional Paradise. I would have liked a totally separate

607
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Golden Golden in Paradise. Yeah, or at least like a

608
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: separate show. So we have two hours of Traditional Paradise

609
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: and then like an hour of Golden Paradise. That'd be

610
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: fun on a different day. Usually it's like Monday and Tuesday.

611
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: So I'm down for that. Do you see there being

612
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: a possible problem with like there being a crossover couple?

613
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 8: Wait a minute, are you telling me that they're going

614
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 8: to have Goldens on the same season with the traditional.

615
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: Yes?

616
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 5: Oh, I thought it was going to be all Goldens.

617
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no.

618
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: Oh boy, Young Young and there's a crossover couple.

619
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: What in the world.

620
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, now I'm bothered.

621
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't say that I'm bothered, but now I'm like,

622
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 8: I'm a little taken aback.

623
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm a little little taken aback. That's interesting, that's interesting.

624
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 8: Okay, now I see why why there's uh, I see

625
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 8: why there's.

626
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: The apprehension now, all right, So.

627
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 8: Yes, I can see the apprehension. I don't foresee a

628
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 8: crossover couple. I foresee everybody staying in their lane.

629
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: It could be across flirting.

630
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

631
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 8: A couple of the a couple of the you know,

632
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 8: the golden guys will probably flirt with everybody, right, especially

633
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 8: if they cast a few people on there.

634
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: I could see that double standard. It'll be sort of

635
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: sweet to see if the younger guys are flirting with

636
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: the older ladies, but it would be so creepy to

637
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: see the older guy looking at the younger women.

638
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's gonna need to be some camp counseling prior

639
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 8: to arriving to that island, and it's gonna have to

640
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 8: be like, okay, guys, look, stay in your lane, don't

641
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 8: be that creepy grandpa. And then you know, all right,

642
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 8: young young dudes, you can be flirty and fun, but

643
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 8: don't go you know, don't.

644
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, be ridiculous. I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.

645
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 5: It's definitely gonna be interesting. Now that. Wow, I totally

646
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: misunderstood what was happening here.

647
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 8: Oh my God, Okay, I got a whole new reboot

648
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 8: on my thought process, I was thinking full golden Paradise,

649
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 8: and I thought that'd be awesome. And then but I

650
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 8: also thought, like you were saying, like a conventional paradise

651
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 8: or dare we say, a younger paradise as well. And

652
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 8: so that's kind of what I was thinking, was two

653
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 8: separate shows running at the same time. I didn't realize

654
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 8: that they'd be running at the same place at the

655
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 8: same time that that could be interesting.

656
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: It's it's unclear how they will handle where, who's day where,

657
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: and it'll be at a new resort. So what's your

658
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: general takeaway.

659
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 8: You know, I mean, okay, I feel I watched I

660
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 8: watched an episode that you invented recently about your thoughts

661
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 8: on I'm not really feeling like you've gotten to know

662
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 8: this bachelor. And I feel the same way like I

663
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 8: feel like i'm sort of I feel like I like them,

664
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 8: I like what I know, but I don't feel like

665
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 8: I'm not to that next level where I feel like

666
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 8: I know this dude, super nice guy yep. And so

667
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 8: I'm hopeful, you know, I'm hopeful about this one that

668
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 8: it all works out and and you know, I mean

669
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 8: I was. I was hoping for that union. I was

670
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 8: hoping for the two of them to end up together.

671
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: You were hoping for Juliana.

672
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 8: I actually was, yeah, And I know I think I was.

673
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 8: I was a rarity there as well, right, because everyone's

674
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 8: sort of but see, here's my here's my thought process.

675
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 8: Like I feel like, you know, what's old is new again, right,

676
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 8: And what The Bachelor did on this particular season was,

677
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 8: I think was what they used to do back in

678
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 8: the early seasons, where they always make you think the

679
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 8: runner up is going to be your you know, the

680
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 8: final Rose recipient, and so you buy it's by everything

681
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 8: that you're watching on the show. You're like, oh, it's

682
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 8: obviously going to be Letia, Whereas I, on the other hand,

683
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 8: was like, I feel like this is an old school

684
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 8: bait and switch move they're doing to me. I think

685
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 8: Juliana is the one that he's vibing with, and they're

686
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 8: trying to make me think it's the other one l

687
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 8: And so I was sort of like banking on Juliana,

688
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 8: and I do think they have like, you know, here's

689
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 8: what's going to be tough, right, is that every season

690
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 8: and we know of one in particular very well. That

691
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 8: ends with the guy saying he loves both women.

692
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: He's already done his rant about it today.

693
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, but I understand it, like I really

694
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 8: do understand it, and I don't think people who don't

695
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 8: go through a show like this could possibly understand it

696
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 8: that how is it at the end of the season,

697
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 8: I end up saying I love you to two different people.

698
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 8: I will say on my season, I definitely had very

699
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 8: strong feelings for both of my final too, and so

700
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: I almost did the opposite, Whereas you know, because of

701
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 8: my fear of emotional commitment at that time, I like

702
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 8: put the brakes on completely and didn't propose to anybody.

703
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: Right was that the right answer? I don't know.

704
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 8: But you see these people that go through this experience,

705
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 8: and at the end of it, they're like sitting there,

706
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 8: really torn between two people, and it doesn't seem like

707
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 8: that should be the case that anyone would have that

708
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 8: kind of feeling. But when they do, you know, and

709
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 8: then they make their decision, I feel like maybe that

710
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 8: gives them a better chance of you know, they they've

711
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 8: been through a little bit of trial and tribulation. They

712
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 8: had to make a decision that wasn't obvious. And you know,

713
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 8: I mean I always think about for me, you know,

714
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 8: I mean I was unlucky in love until my wife now.

715
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: And you know, I when we first were.

716
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 8: Together, I remember thinking, well, this is just gonna be

717
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 8: casual because I don't I don't want this, you know,

718
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 8: to I don't want to be in a serious relationship.

719
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 8: And you know, the whole time, like jokingly, twelve years

720
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 8: later with two children, and she's always like, yeah, we

721
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 8: got two casual kids. We spent twelve casual years. You know,

722
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 8: she mess with me. But you know, sometimes I feel

723
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 8: like maybe people go through that challenge early and then

724
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 8: they end up on the other side of it and

725
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 8: they're so thankful they went through it, you know. And

726
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, I think that there's something

727
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 8: to it. I don't know, if you're outside of the

728
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 8: circumstance of the Bachelor, Aura, does that argument stand. No,

729
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 8: it doesn't, but you know, in these circumstances, maybe it does. Bob.

730
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: I appreciate that perspective because it is different than what

731
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: us ladies have been talking about earlier in the episode.

732
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: So thank you for that, and I get it.

733
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 8: I think I think if I'm a lady and this

734
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 8: dude is told and I have to watch this finale

735
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 8: where I know I'm going to be the one with

736
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: the ring at the end of this thing. And I

737
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 8: see him telling another girl the same thing he told me,

738
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 8: I would lose my mind.

739
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob, thanks for joining us. We're gonna get Susie

740
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: on here next and awesome. See we'll see her take

741
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: on all of this.

742
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 8: I'm excited to hear it. Thank you for having me, Ashley,

743
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 8: always a pleasure.

744
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Joy Mexico. Bye, Nah, Susie Evans is joining us. Now, Susie,

745
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: you were the winner of a season in which the

746
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: lead said I love you to multiple people, led on

747
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: multiple people. You might want to say, how does it

748
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: feel being in Juliana's shoes?

749
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: Now?

750
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 8: Oh?

751
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 4: I had so much empathy for her last night and

752
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: compassion for both of them because it was just it

753
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: was so sad to watch here because you're like watching

754
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: Letia go through this and you're like rooting for her

755
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: and you're like, grand so worse, Oh my god, how

756
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 4: did he do this? And then you see that he

757
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: also like has this strong relationship with Juliana and he

758
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: loves her too, and that she's this beautiful, kind person

759
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: and like she just yeah, it's so it's so complicated.

760
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: It feels like it feels like shit. If I'm being honest,

761
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 4: like I remember that feeling, and it's like, Okay, nobody

762
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: wants to celebrate us. Nobody wants to, you know, embrace us,

763
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: like we came off and we felt Me and Clayton

764
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: felt like the rejects of like Bachelor Nation for a

765
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: long time, to be honest, and it's like it's a

766
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: really hard position to be in, but it's tough. I'm like,

767
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 4: I just sent to your message before getting on here,

768
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: like you did amazing and you know I'm here for you.

769
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: Oh that's sweet, because yeah, that's my issue. It's like

770
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Julianna, have absolutely nothing against you. I'm just

771
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: not thinking about you today. I'm just thinking about let

772
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: yeah I know.

773
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

774
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: That was like the press little press thing we did

775
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: after our season. Every it's like we joined. It's like, okay,

776
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: we're the happy couple and it's like so Gabby and

777
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: Rachel and I was like, oh no, we're not going

778
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: to talk about Clayton. I okay, cool, coo cool, Like

779
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 4: it's it really is like you know, that's just how

780
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: it goes for in these scenarios. Specifically, I think.

781
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you saw Clayton last night. You were in

782
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: the audience.

783
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we sat like kitty corner to each other's

784
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: right behind me.

785
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: How U how long has it been since you guys

786
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: saw each other?

787
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: I think I saw him last summer.

788
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not like super awkward if you guys

789
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: get put together in a moment like that.

790
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: We talked so much shit. Literally, the producers were like, hey, like,

791
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: is Clayton's going to be there? I don't know, And

792
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 4: they texted him and I was like, oh my god,

793
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: no worries. And he wrote back, was like she's the worst.

794
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: Don't sit here by me. And they're like, oh god,

795
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen. He's like, you guys, I'm kidding. We're fine.

796
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Yeah. So what do you think about the

797
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: fact that they seemingly I want to say that they

798
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of they protected they protected Grant by like having

799
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: a panel with Clayton on there, just just to kind

800
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: of show like, hey, guys, this happens. Sometimes people are

801
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: really confused at the end and they say, I love

802
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: you to two people. And then they also didn't show

803
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: us a lot of the times that Grant had said

804
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: really affirming things to Latia.

805
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: I know, well that's the hard part because as as

806
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: much as I do want to celebrate Grant and Juliana,

807
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: I also am like realistically it felt messed up like

808
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: watching it and it's just really complicated. But I do

809
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: have a lot of compassion because I know, like first hand,

810
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: I read Clayton's journal. He literally sat down and he

811
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: like like showed me the pages of his journal where

812
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: he like genuinely thought he was in love with three

813
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: people and was so confused. And so I obviously don't

814
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: know the position Grant was, and it seemed like he

815
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: was like Julia or you know, all in on Latia,

816
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: and then it seemed like there was a switch up.

817
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think the show, I mean

818
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: to an extent, I feel like people didn't embrace this

819
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 4: season entirely, which I feel like Clayton went through that

820
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: same thing, where like from the get go, like people

821
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 4: weren't really like into it, and you have to have

822
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: something to root for, and we don't have a Bachelorette season,

823
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: so we don't so Latia is just going out into

824
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 4: the world right now, so it's like you got to

825
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: root for somebody, so they're really like they have to

826
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 4: do something. And I think Grant is a good person.

827
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: He I do just think he was confused. So I think, yeah,

828
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 4: I think the panel was a good idea because it

829
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: is true even like Charity, who I think is like

830
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: so respected and so like she's, you know, just this

831
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: great person in bacheloration that people like look to and

832
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: are like, oh, she's like her relationship is working. She's

833
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: a good human. But she told to people that she

834
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: loved them too, and she's like it is very confusing

835
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: when you get to the end.

836
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I just feel like it was

837
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: I know that I feel like a broken record. We've

838
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: been recapping this episode for like two hours now, and

839
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: I just keep coming back to the fact that like Clayton,

840
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: even he was a very flawed bachelor, but he seemed

841
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: to be like racked over his decision making, and like,

842
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, we had like these huge emotional moments from him. Yeah,

843
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: and with Grant, it was just kind of like, Okay,

844
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: here's my decision. It was hard. Yeah, we didn't we

845
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: didn't get a lot of emotion from Grant.

846
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: I yeah, you know what. I thought that too. I

847
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: felt like there wasn't a jump the fence. He wasn't

848
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: saying I'm so broken we didn't get sat But I

849
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: will say, and this is just me looking at the

850
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: at his face. He looked sick to his stomach the

851
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: last like two episodes, I know, and like every time

852
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 4: I would see him, I was just like, he either

853
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: has a stomach bug or like he has major anxieties.

854
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: I was like, I've been there and I know that feeling,

855
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: because his face just looked like he just looked unwell.

856
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: Even when he was like talking to both the girls,

857
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: I was like, he doesn't look good. But I don't

858
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: know if that's because he was like so stressed about it.

859
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, we never saw this emotional breakdown. But then

860
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 4: I'm also like, some people aren't like that.

861
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: It's probably what it was. He probably very vocal about

862
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: his anxieties.

863
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 4: That's true, but I know, I mean, you're a crier.

864
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 4: I'm a crier. I'm a baby, so it's like I

865
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: can't relate. I'm like I would literally be in shambles.

866
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I'm so weirded out. By it. Yeah,

867
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: it keeps it all in. I can't really Susie any

868
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: final thoughts about this season.

869
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: Oh man, I guess just like my thoughts are like

870
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: to everybody, I'm like, be kind. It's like, it is

871
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: so hard to be in that position. It really is

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Speaker 4: so hard to be on such a public platform and

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Speaker 4: not feel like people want to celebrate you or your love.

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Speaker 4: And like, yeah, you know, I hope that it's the

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Speaker 4: right they're the right match, you never know, but if

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Speaker 4: nothing else, I hope that they're both okay and that

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Speaker 4: people are nice to them online for the most part.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can give Grant a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a hard time, but like, but don't give Juliana anything.

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Speaker 4: She's she's apposed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Juliana is one percent out of this equation. It's

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Speaker 2: glad that they're moving to Boston to be close to

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Speaker 2: her family because I just think that was a non negotiable.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would love a follow up with her

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Speaker 2: dad to see like what he really thinks after watching this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's painful, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all righty Well, thank you Susie, and thank you

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Speaker 2: to everybody on this panel, and thank you all out

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Speaker 2: there for listening to us recap Grant season, and up

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Speaker 2: next we have Actulor in Paradise, which, Susie, are you

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Speaker 2: going to be there with Justin?

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, we'll throw Clayton in too, why not, let's all.

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Speaker 2: Both of them. I know that you and Clayton won't. Ever,

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Speaker 2: that's not a reconcilable path. I don't think that I

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Speaker 2: with Justin. I think that would be some big emotions there.

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Speaker 4: I'd be sick to my stomach. Yeah, I got I

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Speaker 4: think everyone has big decisions to make.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, and I think I'll see you all there.

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Speaker 4: You think so?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so, all of you, all three of us,

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Speaker 2: all three of you.

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Speaker 4: It's X on the Beach.

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Speaker 2: I like that already. Yeah, let's call it Bachelor of

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Speaker 2: Paradise meets X on the Beach. See you guys, bye.

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