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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Our guest tonight is Oran McIntyre. He
Speaker 1: is with The Blaze. He's got the Ordin McIntyre podcast
Speaker 1: over there. He was born in Florida, grew up all
Speaker 1: over the South, son of a military officer, a very
Speaker 1: high wattage individual. I'm really good forward to talking to him,
Speaker 1: just based on his very excellent Twitter or in. Thanks
Speaker 1: for being with us, man, great, great to have you
Speaker 1: on the program. Yeah, thanks for having me tell me
Speaker 1: about foxes and lions in the context of politics America
Speaker 1: and Nicolo Machiavelli's seminal work The Prince, which I know
Speaker 1: you've recently cited all these things together in a sub stack.
Speaker 1: Break this one down for me. I thought it was
Speaker 1: fascinating your most recent analysis on this. Oh thanks, no, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Machiavelli had this comparison between foxes and lions, and
Speaker 1: his advice for rulers is that you should be clever
Speaker 1: like a fox and be able to avoid traps, but
Speaker 1: fox as well, clever can't really actually fight, say a
Speaker 1: pack of wolves, and so you also need to have
Speaker 1: some of the aspect of the lion, the ability to
Speaker 1: fight back, you know, just kind of bruce strength out
Speaker 1: of certain situations. And guys who kind of continued in
Speaker 1: Machiavelli's political tradition, guys like Alfredo Pardo kind of extended this.
Speaker 1: He called them type one and Type two derivations or residues,
Speaker 1: but it's easier to just go foxes and lions. And
Speaker 1: basically he said that, you know, each leadership classes has
Speaker 1: got an ad mixture of kind of your clever people,
Speaker 1: the people who are looking to kind of manipulate situations,
Speaker 1: alter things, look around corners, explore new ideas, and then
Speaker 1: it has your core of people who are strong, paytriotic.
Speaker 1: They're about keeping institutions rock solid and perpetuating tradition, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so your fox type leaders are
Speaker 1: the ones that are going to get you out of
Speaker 1: situations where you need cleverness, nimbleness, eth ability to manipulate systems,
Speaker 1: and your lion type leaders are the ones that are
Speaker 1: going to get you out of situations where you need
Speaker 1: kind of that martial strength and that kind of wherewithal
Speaker 1: to carry through those difficult situations. And at the beginning
Speaker 1: of most civilizations you have very lion type leaders, but
Speaker 1: as you kind of go on, you end up with
Speaker 1: more fox type leaders. And we're in a situation right
Speaker 1: now we're almost entirely dominated by foxes and not lions.
Speaker 1: I would think maybe the animal that comes to mind
Speaker 1: is jackasses or donkeys, depending on who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It certainly also has some political connotations there for which
Speaker 1: party seems to be doing the craziest stuff these days.
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing that I know you've written about
Speaker 1: the notion of using this conpt of the democratic machine
Speaker 1: as a way as of actually avoiding accountability. Because one
Speaker 1: thing that I talked about during COVID was the whole game,
Speaker 1: the whole time was somehow there were endless orders and
Speaker 1: you weren't in charge, meaning you, the American citizen person,
Speaker 1: individual of anything, but nobody was really responsible for making
Speaker 1: sure that you were subject to constant, endless orders that
Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. How does that work? Well? One
Speaker 1: of the great things about democracy for people in powers,
Speaker 1: it tends to obfuskate who's actually delivering kind of the rulings. Right,
Speaker 1: if you have a king in charge, you may hate
Speaker 1: that king. You might be terrible, it might be a tyrant.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know who
Speaker 1: sent the guys who are kicking your door down, right,
Speaker 1: Like you understand who's in charge. When you have a democracy, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a system. These people are supposed to
Speaker 1: be representing you. They're supposed to be popular. Sovereignty means
Speaker 1: you select your leaders, and that means that really, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, even if a leader did
Speaker 1: something wrong, it's kind of your neighbors job to vote
Speaker 1: them out. Right. It's the person down the street who's
Speaker 1: the one who put that person into power. And so
Speaker 1: you don't really have a one singular person. You have
Speaker 1: a distributed network of people who are kind of in
Speaker 1: theory responsible for the action, but aren't really always able
Speaker 1: to be held accountable, which is why you know, you
Speaker 1: might vote a guy out of office, maybe end up
Speaker 1: getting rid of a Joe Biden or whatever. But Joe
Speaker 1: Biden's not running the country. I mean, who are we
Speaker 1: kidding here, right, It's the guys behind Joe Biden. It's
Speaker 1: the people that you don't really have the ability to
Speaker 1: hold accountable. That are the ones who are going to
Speaker 1: be there once he's gone and still be making decisions
Speaker 1: in places like the deep state. And I mean this
Speaker 1: in the most general way, like I just want to
Speaker 1: know where you go with this. Who does run the
Speaker 1: country right now? So I think the big thing we
Speaker 1: have to understand is that really at this moment, our
Speaker 1: country is run by an oligarchy. I mean, we're run
Speaker 1: with the distributed system, and that system crosses many different disciplines.
Speaker 1: You do have people in the government of or that's
Speaker 1: the formal hand of power, but much of this power
Speaker 1: is also spread across what conservatives like to think of
Speaker 1: as the public private distinction. That public private distinction does
Speaker 1: a lot of work for people, but actually what really
Speaker 1: happens is that, as we've seen with things like the
Speaker 1: Twitter files, these private companies work hand in glove with
Speaker 1: government agencies and non government agencies all the time. An
Speaker 1: attempt to censor and control political opinion and make sure
Speaker 1: the right people get money, the right people get elected,
Speaker 1: the right kind of things are disseminated through all of
Speaker 1: our consistency making apparatus. And when that's happening, really the
Speaker 1: story is in charge at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it would be nice if you
Speaker 1: could point to one person and say, hey, this is
Speaker 1: the guy who's actually running things. But we really have
Speaker 1: is a feeling across a whole class of people in
Speaker 1: political Washington, the permanent bureaucracy, Corporate America, the media, who
Speaker 1: all have similar values, they all share similar goals, and
Speaker 1: they work together constantly to steer the country in a
Speaker 1: particular direction, even if there's not one guy handing out orders.
Speaker 1: Do you think enough of the country learned the appropriate
Speaker 1: lesson the very I would argue painful lesson about authoritarianism
Speaker 1: from the whole FAUCII COVID lockdown mass because for me
Speaker 1: the midterm elections, which I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that people have been and can point too as
Speaker 1: to what happened there, I was like a single issue
Speaker 1: voter on that. I'm obviously somebody who's votes Republican. I'm
Speaker 1: a conservative, But even if the Republican Party had done
Speaker 1: what the Democrats did over the course of COVID, I
Speaker 1: honestly would have been a single issue voter on that.
Speaker 1: I felt it was so beyond what you could even
Speaker 1: ever expect anyone to do in this country, but they
Speaker 1: did it. What happened well, I think the vast majority
Speaker 1: of people, you know, in at least the political commentating sphere,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people, myself included, expected there'd
Speaker 1: be some kind of you know, backlash when it came
Speaker 1: to the midterms, and I think the truth is that
Speaker 1: a lot of people just kind of onboarded this now
Speaker 1: as part of life. I think, unfortunately, a large amount
Speaker 1: of the country is now more or less onboard with
Speaker 1: this level of manipulation. They probably can't do the full
Speaker 1: lockdown the way they did last time. They probably have
Speaker 1: to ease it in a little more next time. But
Speaker 1: I think you do have a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are willing to kind of go along with this. There
Speaker 1: are states like Florida that did, you know, push back
Speaker 1: against this, and in many ways they prospered because of it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you have a large number of people who migrated down
Speaker 1: to Florida and kind of bolstered to Santis's power in
Speaker 1: the state due to the stance he took through COVID.
Speaker 1: But the downside of that, even though I think there
Speaker 1: are upsides, is all the people who didn't like what
Speaker 1: was happening in New York and all those other states.
Speaker 1: They're gone now there's no one left to push back.
Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I was a New Yorker born
Speaker 1: and raised New York City, Manhattan, went to Catholic school there,
Speaker 1: the whole thing, right, the whole nine yards. And I
Speaker 1: can tell you or in that it transitioned at some
Speaker 1: point from I can't believe how incompetent and outrageously wrong
Speaker 1: and thuggish the Democrat administration of the city is to
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my fellow New Yorkers are going along
Speaker 1: with this and they think it's fine, and they're actually helping.
Speaker 1: They were kind of the volunteer Stazi for MASK and
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine and all these other programs. And so I
Speaker 1: just for me, that was it done. And so I'm
Speaker 1: also now a Floridian. I know you were born in Florida.
Speaker 1: I'm a Floridian like many others that have fled. And
Speaker 1: I do think that this has resulted in changes that
Speaker 1: we're just beginning to understand for what this means, not
Speaker 1: just from the for the electoral map, but also for
Speaker 1: the country and which states are going to be leaders
Speaker 1: going forward of the movement. I think New York and
Speaker 1: California are now on trajectory of almost inevitable catastrophe, particularly California.
Speaker 1: But I want to come back to that in a second.
Speaker 1: I've got a whole bunch more questions we're talking to
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your takes, particularly on Twitter, because you
Speaker 1: think through these issues, you have original ideas and you
Speaker 1: bring insight into them. If you could get conservatives forget
Speaker 1: about the if you get conservatives to focus more on
Speaker 1: one thing right now in the country, what would it
Speaker 1: be and why? Yeah, That's a really tough one because
Speaker 1: the battle is so multifaceted right now, I guess one
Speaker 1: of the things I would ask conservatives to understand is
Speaker 1: kind of where victories come from. Right, we look at
Speaker 1: so many of these elections, We look at so many
Speaker 1: promises that people in the GOP and elsewhere make over
Speaker 1: and over again the same thing, and people, you know,
Speaker 1: look and they look at the results and they say,
Speaker 1: how do we keep moving to the left? How do
Speaker 1: we keep winning elections in these different areas? But nothing
Speaker 1: actually gets done? And then you look at something like
Speaker 1: Elon Musk buying Twitter, right, and you know, he's not perfect.
Speaker 1: I have my own problems with Elon Musk, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, his purchase of Twitter did
Speaker 1: way more to destroy parts of the progressive narrative and
Speaker 1: break the stranglehold and the obvious station. They were all
Speaker 1: to a bring to what was happening with things like
Speaker 1: government and you know, the FBI requesting censorship. That's a
Speaker 1: much more powerful blow than you know, some piece of
Speaker 1: legislation that never gets to enforce somewhere. And that's not
Speaker 1: to say that, of course, laws and elections don't matter.
Speaker 1: They do, but understanding that victories don't just come through
Speaker 1: getting another Republican elected, because if there's not an apparatus
Speaker 1: to hold these people accountable, and if there's not other
Speaker 1: avenues on which you're making gains culturally, in the business field,
Speaker 1: in the law field, all over the place, then you're
Speaker 1: going to end up losing. It's not just one point
Speaker 1: of a battle. It's an entire war, and you have
Speaker 1: to actually look at the whole field. You can't just
Speaker 1: focus on well, eventually I'll just get Donald Trump or
Speaker 1: run to Santa Selected and they'll sweep in and fix everything.
Speaker 1: That's not how it's going to work. There are there
Speaker 1: are no silver bullets. I think conservatives have started to
Speaker 1: see that a little bit more, and I think a
Speaker 1: part of that or in would be the recognition that
Speaker 1: our side seem to think that we could either seed
Speaker 1: the platforms and institutions of power and influence on the
Speaker 1: other side entirely, things like academia, or we could just
Speaker 1: fight for some scrap that will call neutral space. And
Speaker 1: increasingly I think there's been an awareness of one. If
Speaker 1: you give the other side all the institutions and levers
Speaker 1: of power, you're going to lose irrespective of this is
Speaker 1: even outside of elections, right, if they have academia, Hollywood, news, media,
Speaker 1: law these days, by the way, law schools are just
Speaker 1: churning out, you know, woke activists with jds, all these things,
Speaker 1: all these different places. You know, the the dominance that
Speaker 1: the left has even had in the nonprofit sector, I
Speaker 1: mean areas, it's think, what, of course there's enormous dominance
Speaker 1: and nonprofits and you know, different aspects of giving. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there's been an awakening? Do you think
Speaker 1: that there's enough of a sense that we have to
Speaker 1: compete on many many platforms, battlefields whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call them, or else, they're just going to keep getting
Speaker 1: their way one way or the other as the country
Speaker 1: moves on. I think there is some awareness of that now,
Speaker 1: but it's still an uphill battle. Conservatives still have again
Speaker 1: this idea of really limited government, and you know it's
Speaker 1: that's the key, as long as you don't get the government,
Speaker 1: as long as long as you don't try to impose
Speaker 1: your will and someone live and let live. Right, And
Speaker 1: this sounds great in theory, it's kind of what we
Speaker 1: all want. Yeah, the neutral space, yea neutral space, sure,
Speaker 1: exactly right, right. But but but the key is, like,
Speaker 1: there is no value neutral government institution. There's no value
Speaker 1: neutral institution period And a lot of conservatives or people
Speaker 1: who have kind of been schufed out of the progressive
Speaker 1: movement want to believe that we can return to some
Speaker 1: kind of mythical time in like the nineties, where there
Speaker 1: was no influence on these kind of things. But the
Speaker 1: truth is that someone's values were always being pushed, someone's
Speaker 1: agenda was always being pushed, And we've got to recognize
Speaker 1: that has the left gotten crazier in the last five
Speaker 1: years faster? Obviously it's moved further left, But has the
Speaker 1: acceleration been something that you feel is noticeably at more
Speaker 1: of a breakneck pace? Or are we just waking up
Speaker 1: to the project that they've been engaged in, say on
Speaker 1: gender rights and the train gender issue for the last
Speaker 1: twenty years, But now we're at like that, we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're defending on our own five yard line, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is it have they just gone
Speaker 1: for it much more aggressively in the last few years,
Speaker 1: or are we just realizing now this has been pushed
Speaker 1: and we're basically at the final stages. I think it's both.
Speaker 1: I think you're right that we are on the five
Speaker 1: yard line and all of a sudden people are like,
Speaker 1: oh man, are we losing this thing? What's going on? Right?
Speaker 1: I think it has been a very long march for
Speaker 1: the institutions. I think this battle has been ongoing for
Speaker 1: a very long time. But it is also accelerating because
Speaker 1: the left feels like it has this complete hegemony over
Speaker 1: the institutions and they can just kind of flex. They
Speaker 1: don't have to really have ideological justifications anymore. Then it
Speaker 1: really need to have any kind of you know, lip
Speaker 1: service to free speech or the neutral battlefield or anything
Speaker 1: like that. They're in the right. They have the moral power,
Speaker 1: they have the the you know, functional power. They don't
Speaker 1: really need to pretend anymore that they're playing this game
Speaker 1: so they can go faster. But the battle has been
Speaker 1: there for a very long time. I do think that
Speaker 1: we see that what you just mentioned about how they
Speaker 1: just do stuff that is well, it's obviously true with
Speaker 1: It was most apparent with the social media companies because
Speaker 1: I still remember ten years ago when I first got
Speaker 1: into this game at the Blaze. By the way, we'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about him. Did you know that
Speaker 1: I'm a Blaze alumni. I'm one of the Blaze original gangsters.
Speaker 1: Like I go way back to the beginning when Glenn
Speaker 1: was talking about this thing he's going to create called
Speaker 1: the Blaze, and anyway, we'll talk about that a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I remember that the notion that Twitter would take
Speaker 1: action against people based upon just not liking what was said.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was it was offensive to Twitter executives.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have there're a free speech company. And
Speaker 1: then it turned into oh, well, we just make mistakes
Speaker 1: sometimes and we're just trying to keep people safe and
Speaker 1: this is about safety, and the mistakes seemed to go
Speaker 1: and get conservatives only, but it's really about safety. And then,
Speaker 1: as we know, in the ear of trumpet, turned into
Speaker 1: shut up, what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 1: And I think that's been actually really clarifying. I think
Speaker 1: people have seen, oh, that's what they do when they
Speaker 1: can get away with it. Yeah, the left never really
Speaker 1: cared about free speech, right. These people always had an agenda.
Speaker 1: They had a very specific plan for what society should
Speaker 1: be in all of those plans were really terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: the left is a movement that is built on the
Speaker 1: destruction of healthy hierarchies and natural boundaries and social order.
Speaker 1: And so they want to break down things like family.
Speaker 1: They want to break things down like faith, They want
Speaker 1: to break things down like property rights. This is all
Speaker 1: stuff they want to take down. And they haven't been
Speaker 1: shy about this for many decades. But you know, even
Speaker 1: though they had these really dangerous ideas free speech right,
Speaker 1: you had to hear them out. And so they use
Speaker 1: that as a tool to enter institutions and work their
Speaker 1: way in an acquire power. But now that they have
Speaker 1: that power, they're not dumb enough to leave that on
Speaker 1: the ground so someone else can pick it up and
Speaker 1: wield it against them. They're the ones in the citadel now,
Speaker 1: and they're definitely going to make sure that you don't
Speaker 1: have the option to push back. Is already where where
Speaker 1: you think conservatism is is losing the battle for hearts
Speaker 1: and minds, where in particular, you just say, how are
Speaker 1: we not doing better on that one? How is it
Speaker 1: possible that we're not just trouncing them in the realm
Speaker 1: of public opinion on this issue because of how it's
Speaker 1: being presented or how the politicians or the party are
Speaker 1: making the case. Yeah, I mean, there's so many cases
Speaker 1: where the framing from conservatives is just horrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: for instance, you'll notice that conservatives are always willing to
Speaker 1: talk about like how the Democrats are the real races, right,
Speaker 1: Like this is the constant refrain from Oh it's it's really,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's the left that
Speaker 1: hate minorities or whatever, and that just plays so poorly
Speaker 1: because the left owns the public definition of these ideas.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether you believe that you know, racism has
Speaker 1: a very specific definition or not. I think most of
Speaker 1: us do. But it doesn't really matter. Because all the
Speaker 1: people who actually cancel people, all the people actually deal
Speaker 1: out damage to people, get their bank accounts shut down,
Speaker 1: get people taken off of jobs, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: they're on the left. They're the ones that actually control
Speaker 1: this thing. And so when you try to wield the
Speaker 1: same weapon of the left back at them, what you
Speaker 1: do is you end up reinforcing their frame. And we
Speaker 1: do this on all kinds of issues. Oh, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's the left. I really believe this,
Speaker 1: and it just ends up giving your enemy more powerful
Speaker 1: weapons to continue to use because they're the ones that
Speaker 1: actually own the mechanism that punish people about us. I
Speaker 1: totally agree with that. I would also I would add
Speaker 1: into this. I always say it's fine to call out hypocrisy,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit like when people tell the
Speaker 1: guys the thugs that go into a Dwayne Read in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and fill a bag full of stolen stuff,
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you shouldn't take that. They don't care.
Speaker 1: And when we tell the left they're being hypocritical, it's
Speaker 1: fine to call it out. I mean, and we're going to,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we should confuse the left is
Speaker 1: hypocritical on a whole range of issues with we're going
Speaker 1: to shame them by calling out the hippoc Hypocritical is
Speaker 1: who they are. It's actually about it's about hierarchy, it's
Speaker 1: about power structure. The whole point to what you're saying
Speaker 1: about racism is that they get to say it's not
Speaker 1: even possible, for example, to be for there to be
Speaker 1: racism against white people because of power hierarchies, Like they'll
Speaker 1: actually make that claim, which would seem to undermine the
Speaker 1: very definition of racism. Yeah, I mean, Sheila and Jackson
Speaker 1: Lee just introduced a bill basically trying to specifically ban
Speaker 1: the political speech of white people. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, who are we kidding here? Right, Obviously that's
Speaker 1: racism by any definition, specifically targeting the speech of one race.
Speaker 1: But they're left don't care. They don't even blink. In fact,
Speaker 1: like you said, they've worked this ideology of you know,
Speaker 1: there is no such thing as racism against white people.
Speaker 1: And basically, like everything they talk about, they give lectures
Speaker 1: on this to multibillion dollar corporations and academia. Right, So
Speaker 1: this is like a key part of the leftist you know, contradiction.
Speaker 1: But they don't care because, like you said, it's about
Speaker 1: the hierarchy. They get to wield the definition, they get
Speaker 1: to cancel people due to this charge. You don't because
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong team. That's the end of the issue.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, As you and I are talking right now,
Speaker 1: there are reports out that he is considering We were
Speaker 1: just talking about Twitter a minute ago, so I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this considering coming back to Twitter. As as
Speaker 1: a Twitter user, I find this to be very entertaining
Speaker 1: and amusing. As somebody who would like to see a
Speaker 1: Republican president in twenty twenty four, I'm a little more
Speaker 1: on edge about it. What do you think, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Right.
Speaker 1: So the thing, his tweets are amazing, Like I just
Speaker 1: that hour conceed right away. Yeah. Yeah, the man is
Speaker 1: a savant on Twitter. There's just no other way to
Speaker 1: say it. I mean, here's the thing about Trump. He
Speaker 1: was never a great governor, right, he was never. But
Speaker 1: his main power, his superpower, the thing that people really
Speaker 1: love him for was his ability to take it to
Speaker 1: the media and take it to the left. Right. He
Speaker 1: said the things people wanted said. He went after the
Speaker 1: people who people wanted to be punished for their ugly
Speaker 1: lies that they tell about people all the time, and
Speaker 1: Trump was willing to do it. Maybe because he's a
Speaker 1: master at this, maybe because he just didn't know where
Speaker 1: the lines are. But either way, Trump is a heat
Speaker 1: seeking missile for the left and he drives them absolutely bananas.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's enough to get him elected
Speaker 1: president again, but it does mean he's in the very
Speaker 1: effective Twitter user. I think that one thing that Trump
Speaker 1: There are some areas where I think Trump just doesn't
Speaker 1: get nearly enough credit, even from supporters or people like me.
Speaker 1: Voted for him. I may assume you voted for him too,
Speaker 1: you know, just because it's They're the areas where I
Speaker 1: think Trump really likes to just take credit. He likes
Speaker 1: to do the victory laps. And know there are others
Speaker 1: where I say, hey, big guy, you know you did
Speaker 1: an amazing thing here. On China trade policy, for example,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration has essentially just continued the Trump China
Speaker 1: trade policy because everybody realized when it was implemented, oh,
Speaker 1: actually this needed to be done right. The US Mexico
Speaker 1: Canada Agreement NAFTA was basically negotiated and decided before anybody
Speaker 1: was even really only internet. I mean, it's been decades.
Speaker 1: That was the right thing to do. Another area, though,
Speaker 1: where I think he doesn't get enough credit or enough
Speaker 1: specific credit. Maybe this kind of goes to your point
Speaker 1: about the media. I think Trump broke CNN. I mean
Speaker 1: CNN is in disarray at you know, they had huge firing.
Speaker 1: CNN Plus is dead. I think Trump essentially mortally wounded
Speaker 1: CNN as a news organization. Yeah, the most valuable thing
Speaker 1: Trump did was just get the media to rip their
Speaker 1: masks off, right, Like, there's no way you can go
Speaker 1: back to some veneer of neutrality, you know, pretend that
Speaker 1: you're Walter Cronkite delivering you know, straight news when you've
Speaker 1: seen these guys just shriek at Donald Trump for years
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think it's incredibly valuable. And don't
Speaker 1: get wrong, he did have government governing accomplishments. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he didn't, but yeah, the most powerful thing he
Speaker 1: did by far was discredit the media. And I just
Speaker 1: love the fact that when he called them fake news,
Speaker 1: it seems like such a schoolyard taunt at first, but
Speaker 1: it really got to them. It really bothered them at
Speaker 1: a deep, at a visceral level. And I think they
Speaker 1: to your point about how it exposed them, they couldn't
Speaker 1: help themselves. I mean they were making arguments. Washington Post
Speaker 1: writers are making arguments about I think as an entity
Speaker 1: honestly made the argument, well, in the era of Trump,
Speaker 1: the truth is anti Trump. So it's not you know,
Speaker 1: we're not being opinionated by being anti Trump, that's just
Speaker 1: what the truth is. I mean, they created these really
Speaker 1: orwellian mind loops for themselves. You think you think he's
Speaker 1: going to be the nominee, what's your take on I
Speaker 1: would have said yes until a few weeks ago, and honestly,
Speaker 1: my faith is a little shaken. I think Trump would
Speaker 1: have been the best option. I loved Santis. I'm a Floridian.
Speaker 1: I think he's an amazing governor. I think he has
Speaker 1: incredible potential in the Republican Party. But I just think
Speaker 1: that he's more valuable right now showing people how to
Speaker 1: build a power structure outside of Washington, how to effectively
Speaker 1: lead outside of Washington, how regional leadership can be far
Speaker 1: more important than some bill passed in DC. I think
Speaker 1: he's incredibly valuable in that role. And I think Trump,
Speaker 1: in his ability to kind of defeat the media, is
Speaker 1: kind of the best weapon you can wield in Washington,
Speaker 1: because I don't think big changes are really coming at
Speaker 1: the federal level. But which you can do is put
Speaker 1: someone there who will destroy the media. But it does
Speaker 1: feel like Trump lost a step. It does feel like
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the fight in him anymore. I hope
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I hope he catches a second wind. I
Speaker 1: just age as a factor. With all this, I would
Speaker 1: say to people the difference I've even seen in family
Speaker 1: members between their six You know, in my experience, I
Speaker 1: could say, family members in their sixties, they're still challenging
Speaker 1: me to push up contests, and you know they're still
Speaker 1: got a Once you get into your late seventies, it's
Speaker 1: you know, you got to take care of those people
Speaker 1: a little more. There's a little less energy, there's a
Speaker 1: little I think that's just there, which is why the
Speaker 1: whole Biden phenomenon is just it's beyond it's beyond irresponsible
Speaker 1: to have made this guy president. There is this moment
Speaker 1: now where you have the classified documents that have been
Speaker 1: strewn around, and I think they're just having a hard time.
Speaker 1: Even the spin machine, you know, the apparatus of disinformation
Speaker 1: that the Democrats run, doesn't really know how to play this.
Speaker 1: Do you think it goes anywhere? Though? Meaning do you
Speaker 1: think that this has ramifications for the Biden presidency or
Speaker 1: is this just a thing that like Hunter Biden, which
Speaker 1: should have been right, that should have been the big
Speaker 1: thing that oh the Biden crime family, but it didn't.
Speaker 1: So what do you think with this one? It's tough.
Speaker 1: You know, part of me just wants to say, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they dropped this the way they did after the mid
Speaker 1: terms so they could kind of get it through the
Speaker 1: news cycle as fast as possible and then move on.
Speaker 1: But the slightly more conspiratorial part of me says, someone said,
Speaker 1: we're done with Joe after this election. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: very obvious that a lot of these documents probably could
Speaker 1: have been shown at any time, and when you have
Speaker 1: this many showing up in so many different places simultaneously,
Speaker 1: it's either a very bad cleanup operation that's just kind
Speaker 1: of feeding the stuff and hoping it goes away, or
Speaker 1: it's just something that was meant to kind of make
Speaker 1: him disqualified so someone else can step in that role
Speaker 1: later on. I want to get into a little bit
Speaker 1: of or in lore we come into our next topic
Speaker 1: here to second as in how you got into this game,
Speaker 1: some of your background on all that, maybe even I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're if you have any particular hobbies
Speaker 1: you want to dive into all things or in McIntyre
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Speaker 1: Or so I like to ask, because I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you a little bit about some of
Speaker 1: the blaze stuff. How did you get into this game? Man?
Speaker 1: What was what was the beginnings of you making these
Speaker 1: arguments and getting in the fight to help save the country.
Speaker 1: You know, is very weird. I've someone who went to
Speaker 1: school for politics. I've always been interested in politics. I
Speaker 1: remember listening to political talk radio and I was ten
Speaker 1: and trying to call in because you know, it was
Speaker 1: very normal. And uh, when I got out of college,
Speaker 1: I ended up working at politics a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then I became a reporter for a few years. Nothing big,
Speaker 1: just with a local paper doing where politics down in Florida?
Speaker 1: Where down in Southwest Florida? Down southwest Florida. Oh nice,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a nice You know, some people get
Speaker 1: stuck in like you know, northern North Dakota doing their
Speaker 1: local reportings. So Southwest Florida is pretty nice. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If he end up on you know, world class beaches,
Speaker 1: when you have to do your reporting. It's not the
Speaker 1: worst thing they ever happened, but yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: was doing that, and as I was watching all these
Speaker 1: elections and things they were going on, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, things aren't working the way that I
Speaker 1: think they're supposed to. Politics isn't functioning the way that
Speaker 1: I thought it should. And then when we hit especially COVID,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, Okay, this is insane. The
Speaker 1: Constitution isn't protecting the rights that it's supposed to. Why
Speaker 1: are people standing up for this? What's going on? And
Speaker 1: that's kind of when I fell down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: I started doing a bunch of reading. I started listening
Speaker 1: to different voices, looking at older political theory and trying
Speaker 1: to understand kind of how this applied to the world
Speaker 1: and what was happening around me. And I started writing
Speaker 1: and recording YouTube videos. And that's kind of how I
Speaker 1: got started. What were some of the most in that
Speaker 1: process that you're talking to, that sort of transition into
Speaker 1: taking an active hand in the ideological battle here for
Speaker 1: the soul of the country as a conservative were some
Speaker 1: of the most important books, Like Because one of the
Speaker 1: things I always get and I'm sure people would ask
Speaker 1: if I didn't ask you, is give me some books
Speaker 1: that will really, you know, give me something to work with,
Speaker 1: will inspire me, will teach me, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole deal. So what do you What are some
Speaker 1: of the ones that come to mind for you? Sure?
Speaker 1: If you want to understand politics right now, I think
Speaker 1: one of the key books is The Machiavellians by James Burnham.
Speaker 1: He summarizes what's come to be called Italian elite theory,
Speaker 1: and it's really the Machiavellian descendant of political analysis. And
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty important if you kind of want
Speaker 1: to understand what's happening now. A lot of people forget
Speaker 1: James Burnham. He was the guy who helped found the
Speaker 1: National Review, uh, you know, and along with Buckley and
Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't read them anymore. But
Speaker 1: it's actually really powerful analysis. I'd say Christopher Caldwell's book,
Speaker 1: uh about the entitlement Age, Age of Enlightenment engine Titlement, Right,
Speaker 1: that's a really powerful book. I think it's it's making
Speaker 1: the rounds now with a lot of people and kind
Speaker 1: of understanding that better. But it's really powerful. It makes
Speaker 1: a lot of arguments about kind of the civil rights revolution,
Speaker 1: and even though it is very well meaning and intention
Speaker 1: the legal for ramifications became extra constitutional and kind of
Speaker 1: what that's done. That's, for instance, a lot of conservatives
Speaker 1: when they think they're talking about, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: this trans kids type stuff debate, they think you're having
Speaker 1: a debate about biology. I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: what is a Woman is a hilarious movie. It's it's
Speaker 1: very good, but that's not actually the debate you're having.
Speaker 1: You're actually having a debate about civil rights, which is
Speaker 1: why courts are now using trans ideology to separate children
Speaker 1: from their parents. They're using civil rights ideology as the
Speaker 1: way to kind of cleave their way into the family.
Speaker 1: Bertrand de Juvenal has a book on power. It's another
Speaker 1: great one about kind of how political power works. I
Speaker 1: could kind of do this forever, so you just stop.
Speaker 1: Mean when it came. By the way that the people
Speaker 1: that are listening to this, the people that are watching this,
Speaker 1: they're taken to this is I get more requests for this.
Speaker 1: Usually with me, I'll get into history record, history book recommendations.
Speaker 1: I love reading, you know all. I have a couple
Speaker 1: of periods I particularly like. It's interesting you're you like
Speaker 1: Machiavelli so much. I find the sixteenth century Mediterranean world
Speaker 1: to be absolutely fascinating. So the Siege of Malta, the
Speaker 1: Battle of Lepanto, the various major Christian Muslim clashes that occurred,
Speaker 1: things like that. I've done a whole podcasts on them.
Speaker 1: So I like that stuff a lot. But on the
Speaker 1: political science side and political theory, which is what you're
Speaker 1: you're giving us now, you know, I think people need
Speaker 1: more good recommendations. I'm not taking shots out in particular,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people out there now on
Speaker 1: the right. Look, ghostwriters are all over the place. People
Speaker 1: are having all kinds of stuff ghost written, and there's
Speaker 1: this industry of churning out these very like oh, this
Speaker 1: is just a version of what I say on my
Speaker 1: show Everyday Books. And look, that's fine, and people, you know,
Speaker 1: it's capitalism, and I get it. But there are books
Speaker 1: that you read and you actually have an addition to
Speaker 1: your skill set to think about these issues. And I
Speaker 1: think that what you're talking about those are books that
Speaker 1: fall into that category. I mean, you do you do
Speaker 1: you know had Lee arcis the political theorist he ever
Speaker 1: heard of? Hadley Arcis. He was. He's the single It's
Speaker 1: not famous like people who were talking about the only
Speaker 1: conservative AMers College where I went, and has written a whole.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called First Things. He used to
Speaker 1: be an associate editor at National Review. I think for
Speaker 1: a while, or I think First Things magazine. Um, but
Speaker 1: this is something we would I would always talk about
Speaker 1: when we would have these meetings. He had this thing
Speaker 1: called a Committee for the American Founding. We sit around
Speaker 1: and just going over what books were we even being
Speaker 1: assigned in the political science course. If I wanted to
Speaker 1: learn about you know, fanal obviously marks, you know, go
Speaker 1: go down the list, go down the list of super unhappy, miserable,
Speaker 1: malcontents who wanted to destroy their societies. A lot of that,
Speaker 1: but anything that was useful in the contemporary context for
Speaker 1: a conservative, or even just to understand the constitution, natural law,
Speaker 1: and a sense of philosophy that isn't rooted in nothing
Speaker 1: matters and you should just you know, you should just
Speaker 1: give up. That was hard to find. So I think
Speaker 1: some of the books that you're giving a favorite history period,
Speaker 1: since we're all that, actually give me favorite history period,
Speaker 1: and or you get a couple of book recommendations you're
Speaker 1: gonna throw to this this group, what would it be.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Rome, so I really enjoy
Speaker 1: kind of all things Rome. If I was going to
Speaker 1: pitch one thing on learning about the Roman Empire in Republic,
Speaker 1: I'd say the History of Rome podcast is probably the best.
Speaker 1: Listen to it. Yeah, he's very good, and he's also
Speaker 1: written a couple of books about both Roman history, and
Speaker 1: I think he also did one about the Marquis de Lafayette,
Speaker 1: so he's got a couple of those as well. So
Speaker 1: it's very good. I read years ago Gold's Worthies how
Speaker 1: Rome fell about, you know, the decline and fall of
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, which I thought was interesting. A big
Speaker 1: part of it was the dissolution of borders and the
Speaker 1: growth of bureaucracy beyond that which could be even vaguely
Speaker 1: accountable to the people. Start to say, that doesn't that
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy, mister Oran,
Speaker 1: when you start to make some of these some of
Speaker 1: these comparisons, Um, are you optimistic about the future of
Speaker 1: the country, How would you put yourself on that scale? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it depends on what you mean by optimistic.
Speaker 1: I am optimistic that at the end of this there
Speaker 1: will be an opportunity for America and for Americans to
Speaker 1: kind of forge a new positive identity that leads, you know,
Speaker 1: to a better vision of what's going on. But I
Speaker 1: think we've got some some rough times ahead. We've got
Speaker 1: a lot of those bureaucracy are our institutions are sclerotic,
Speaker 1: they are worthless in many ways. We can't you know,
Speaker 1: planes can't take off. We don't know how to make
Speaker 1: antibiotics here anymore, you know, we don't know how to
Speaker 1: provide energy. I mean, we know how to provide energy,
Speaker 1: we just decide not to do it right. Like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of huge problems with our institutions right now,
Speaker 1: and they have to go through massive periods of change,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think some of those are going to
Speaker 1: require people to kind of have more difficult times before
Speaker 1: they're willing to kind of stand up and make those changes.
Speaker 1: But once those changes get made, I think much better
Speaker 1: times could be ahead. Mentioned the energy thing. Just recently
Speaker 1: there was the Greta Thunberg posing for her arrest photos
Speaker 1: at I didn't it was like a natural gas field
Speaker 1: or something. I can't even I don't even know where
Speaker 1: it was, some fossil fuel thing that allows us to
Speaker 1: have you know, heat and electricity. And she's like, I
Speaker 1: hate this. How is it that adults take I think
Speaker 1: she's eighteen or nineteen now, so she you know, she's
Speaker 1: considered technically an adult, but obviously she's just basically teenager.
Speaker 1: Doesn't know anything. How is it that adults take this
Speaker 1: individual seriously? Like, you know, did you ever see I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Jake Tapper, CNN top top folks over there
Speaker 1: would sit down and interview Greta Thunberg, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't understand how any adult, period, whether they're on
Speaker 1: the news or anywhere else, could sit down, you know,
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper had her on all these people. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just going through the CNN lineup. She doesn't know anything,
Speaker 1: and she's supposed to reorder trillions of dollars of the
Speaker 1: global economy because she has like a frownie face. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Yeah, I guess the question is, does anyone
Speaker 1: really think that she has original ideas? Maybe they do.
Speaker 1: I mean, what she really is as an avatar of
Speaker 1: the revolution, She's got the people behind her that kind
Speaker 1: of prop her up. She's artificial through and through, and again,
Speaker 1: this is nothing against her. She probably really believes what
Speaker 1: she believes in. I'm not angry at her, but there's
Speaker 1: an entire apparatus that's holding her up in geo complex,
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you're talking about, and they have
Speaker 1: a particular agenda. And she's very useful because in our
Speaker 1: culture we've coded this idea that the revolution is young, right,
Speaker 1: like young people lead the revolution, they distribute the wisdom
Speaker 1: to the old fuddy duddies who don't understand what's coming next.
Speaker 1: You know, she's fighting for her future because she's the
Speaker 1: one who's going to have to live in the planet.
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, you know. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty interested in arguments about conservation. I think the
Speaker 1: right should be more interest in, you know, honoring the planet,
Speaker 1: making sure that you know nature are people on the
Speaker 1: writer or hunters, fishermen, they love this stuff, right, and
Speaker 1: I think they are kind of naturally people who want
Speaker 1: the world to be taken care of, but they want
Speaker 1: it in a way their civilization is going to continue.
Speaker 1: They don't want, you know, to have rolling blackout throughout
Speaker 1: the country. Because you know, someone wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that they can go ahead and manufacture electric cars at
Speaker 1: a profit, right, Like, that's not really what people want
Speaker 1: when they think of as conservation. Yeah. Well, there's always
Speaker 1: this game that's played where they'll say, well, don't you
Speaker 1: want clean water to drink? And it's like, yeah, every
Speaker 1: everybody wants clean that. I've never met the conservative who says,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You know when when there's a community
Speaker 1: like Flint, for example, there's lead in the drinking water,
Speaker 1: you know, too bad. No, everyone says that we need
Speaker 1: to have clean drinking water. That's that's a huge failure
Speaker 1: of of of of governance there, and that's a huge
Speaker 1: failure of the authorities that are in charge of this.
Speaker 1: But they go, don't you want clean water? And then
Speaker 1: it's so we need to have carbon offsets so that
Speaker 1: John Kerry and not feel bad about himself for flying
Speaker 1: on a private jet to Davos to talk about how
Speaker 1: we can't have gastos Like you know what's it's always
Speaker 1: they start with these things like, well don't you want
Speaker 1: the most don't you want to be able to breathe
Speaker 1: clean air and drink clean water? And say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then somehow it's what we see going on at
Speaker 1: Davos with eat the bugs, ride the bicycle. Shut your mouth,
Speaker 1: be cold in the winter. Yeah, all the solutions are
Speaker 1: funneling more money into the pockets of their supporters, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's how you can tell that their agenda is just bunk.
Speaker 1: They don't actually care about this stuff. What they care
Speaker 1: about is enriching their patrons. And that's something that I
Speaker 1: think the right needs to understand. The left is very
Speaker 1: effective because the left is built on rewarding its supporters.
Speaker 1: I mean, say what you want about these people. People
Speaker 1: on the left expect to get paid, right, They expect
Speaker 1: money to flow into their pockets, either through social programs
Speaker 1: or through business investments, this kind of thing, right, I
Speaker 1: think just that's such an important point. I try to
Speaker 1: get people on understand one of the things. There are
Speaker 1: things the left just does better. The Democrats do better
Speaker 1: than Republicans or conservatives. And one of them is they
Speaker 1: take care of their soldiers. You know, if people understand, oh,
Speaker 1: on the left, if someone gets fired or they do
Speaker 1: something crazy, or they're caught with the plagiarism or whatever,
Speaker 1: they always resurface somewhere else and if they do something
Speaker 1: egregious at the FBI, but it helped the Democrat, they
Speaker 1: get a CNN contributorship, they get a book contract, they
Speaker 1: could put on the boards of companies. There's this whole
Speaker 1: apparatus that takes care of their team, and that means
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: go back in history, the armies that win are the
Speaker 1: armies generally that are getting paid or where there's some
Speaker 1: sense of benefit to the people who are involved in fighting.
Speaker 1: And yet on our side, I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of the time it's yeah, you know, go bankrupt, let
Speaker 1: the left destroy you. That's the cost of doing business.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, I think we need to learn a lesson. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge issue, especially when I talk to conservatives.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had more of an upportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to people who are higher up on the food chain here,
Speaker 1: and I constantly hear like, oh, well, why why doesn't
Speaker 1: everyone just stand up and speak the truth? Why don't
Speaker 1: they all just have the courage of their convictions and
Speaker 1: make their voices heard. And it's like, have you been
Speaker 1: out there? Do you understand what happens to people? They
Speaker 1: don't eat, they can't ever get a job again, They
Speaker 1: get destroyed on social media. None of the friends will
Speaker 1: talk to them. And where are you at this moment.
Speaker 1: You're out there defending some guy like Bill Maher who
Speaker 1: hates you, instead of standing behind average people who really
Speaker 1: stand up and really sacrifice something in the fight against
Speaker 1: this kind of ideology that you say everybody really needs
Speaker 1: to stand up against. You're absolutely right. The left takes
Speaker 1: care of their own. If you fail on the left,
Speaker 1: you have someone behind you to pick you up, deliver
Speaker 1: you a check, make sure you've got a job. When
Speaker 1: you're on the right, they'll burn you in a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's just somehow part of our culture. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you fought a good fight. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: go live in penury, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you're on your own. You're like, wait a second, look
Speaker 1: at all the Russia collusion lunatics. They're all financially better
Speaker 1: off now because there was a hit against Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and against Republicans and there they all have contributorships, they
Speaker 1: get board seats, they get totally taken care of. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not just ten percent for the big guy. There's
Speaker 1: ten percent for a lot of people. By the way, word,
Speaker 1: how how long have you been with the Blaze. I
Speaker 1: just started here a few months ago, started in November.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yeah, I mean I remember I started there
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. I was at the Blaze for almost
Speaker 1: six years, and I gotta tell you it's it's such
Speaker 1: a cool place. I first of all, I would ask
Speaker 1: you to please pass along to Glenn that I send
Speaker 1: a hug and I say thank you for starting my
Speaker 1: media career, because Glenn Beck did that for me. And
Speaker 1: you know, Glenn created whatever analogy you know people like best,
Speaker 1: but he created the farm team for the rest of
Speaker 1: conservative media back I'm talking when he when he just
Speaker 1: got it started. I mean, now you got all these
Speaker 1: big names there and it's become a big company. But
Speaker 1: he brought people in like I had no media experience
Speaker 1: and never published anything, and the Blaze hired me and
Speaker 1: taught me how to how to do this stuff. So
Speaker 1: I owe a debt of gratitude to all of them.
Speaker 1: How are things How are things going over there these days?
Speaker 1: Like what kind of shows you get to do? And
Speaker 1: just just tell me. I kind of have a little
Speaker 1: nostalgia here for the Blaze like, what's going on over there?
Speaker 1: No wild because you know, I was just doing this
Speaker 1: at home and my spare time, you know, posting. You know,
Speaker 1: my face wasn't even out there until you know, six
Speaker 1: to eight months ago. And so to go from that
Speaker 1: to being on the blaze has been very wild. You know,
Speaker 1: you come out and meet Glenn Beck and the super
Speaker 1: nice guy, but he kind of had to go ahead
Speaker 1: and do something. And I'm sitting in a green room
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I guess someone told Glenn
Speaker 1: that I was a big history guy, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he just comes in and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to go see my history museum. Like he's just,
Speaker 1: you know, super nice about it. Showed me all this
Speaker 1: wild stuff that he's collected over the years. It's totally amazing.
Speaker 1: Have you had. The best thing is when you're hanging
Speaker 1: with Glenn and he'll be you're talking to history with them.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's like you remember, you know, I
Speaker 1: remember what was going on, and you know it was
Speaker 1: Breed's Hill. It wasn't really Bunker Hill, even though people
Speaker 1: think of it as a Battle of Bunker Hill and
Speaker 1: the whole Paul Revere thing. Glenn'll be like, you want
Speaker 1: to see the stirrups that Paul Revere had on his
Speaker 1: horse that night, and he just kind of like whips
Speaker 1: them out and for you like, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know he can do that. It's very real. It noo
Speaker 1: that Yeah, that was a very real thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: you can't let people touch this stuff, like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Like this is raceless. He's got quite a
Speaker 1: quite a personal historical collection. It's it's it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Do you guys still have the Forrest Gump bench down there? Yep,
Speaker 1: it's it's in the in the studio down there. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Well look around a congratulations on that. I
Speaker 1: mean it's a great place to be, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and and it was so it's essential now, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, because we need more platforms. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is uh, this is something that conservatives still haven't really
Speaker 1: figured out how to do. I mean we're getting a
Speaker 1: little bit here and there, but it's been you know,
Speaker 1: talk radio, Fox News and then a lot of places
Speaker 1: kind of struggling. You know, the Blaze has really built
Speaker 1: itself into an institution and a place that can you know,
Speaker 1: has a big role in I think the fight in
Speaker 1: the culture ahead. So that's very cool. So give my
Speaker 1: regards to the folks, the folks from there, and dude,
Speaker 1: I had I had great memories. I really enjoyed my
Speaker 1: time at the Blaze. Oh. What I was gonna say though,
Speaker 1: was it was like Glenn brought together. He was like
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier and they're all these misfits that he put
Speaker 1: together that had some skills. But you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were new and there are people the people know now.
Speaker 1: I was there. Will Kine over Fox News was there, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he brought in Tommy larn early in her career.
Speaker 1: He brought in um oh gosh, I'm trying to I
Speaker 1: used to see Guy Benson and Jedediah Biela and Pete
Speaker 1: Hegset like so many of these names ever know now
Speaker 1: from Fox News got their start back in twenty eleven
Speaker 1: at the Blaze because there just weren't that many places.
Speaker 1: I mean, even you've got your podcast now, but you
Speaker 1: get to go right that you can do um all
Speaker 1: the I can't even think of all the different shows
Speaker 1: over there now. Steve Days, how's he doing? By the way,
Speaker 1: Steve is really great? No he yeah, he was actually
Speaker 1: the first guy on the Blaze to have me on,
Speaker 1: even before you know, I had interacted with anyone else
Speaker 1: over there. And yeah, I've also gotten to be on
Speaker 1: Ali Stuckies Show and then Glenn Beck and everything. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's an amazing how he's done a phenomenal job
Speaker 1: building building her podcast. Um, and you know Steve Day's
Speaker 1: game respects game. You know, he's a high he's a
Speaker 1: high watched guy too. And then just with Glenn, I mean,
Speaker 1: Glenn is he's you know, they're they're people in our
Speaker 1: business who are really smart and good at what they do.
Speaker 1: And then the people who are they're like a talent
Speaker 1: they have, They're talented in a in a performance. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's true politicians to write their politicians who
Speaker 1: are good at governance. And and then there there's the
Speaker 1: X factor thing Glen's at. Glen's an X factor guy.
Speaker 1: You know, Glenn has an ability, a storytelling and connection
Speaker 1: ability that I've I mean, I've seen other people that
Speaker 1: have similar skills, but I've never seen anybody who has
Speaker 1: it the way Glenn does. Yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: reason that he still has the following he does, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty impressive and he draws all kinds of
Speaker 1: people when in with it. I couldn't believe I was.
Speaker 1: I was on my way out of the studio and
Speaker 1: then just like Research Dreyfus shows up out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: like he's just doing a show with Glenn that day.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's the kind of things that
Speaker 1: happened to Oh yeah, he's like random Hollywood actors were like,
Speaker 1: especially if they're a little stealth conservative, they'd swing by.
Speaker 1: And you know, Glenn has he's got a lot of friends,
Speaker 1: a lot of places. It's pretty funny. Anyway, give them
Speaker 1: my warm regards the rest of the team there, Man
Speaker 1: and Oran, where can people go to check out your
Speaker 1: podcast and uh see see your very excellent analysis. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: no thanks. They can go of course to Oran McIntyre's
Speaker 1: show is on all your major podcast platforms now. I
Speaker 1: also have the YouTube channel, which is kind of where
Speaker 1: it all started and everything still goes up there, and
Speaker 1: now things are on Blaze TV as well. They just
Speaker 1: actually got everything started with that today. So you can
Speaker 1: go to any of those platforms and catch the show
Speaker 1: or in thanks so much for being on the box.
Speaker 1: Sex and show Maam. We'll talk to you soon. Absolutely
Speaker 1: thanks for having Man