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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Our guest tonight is Oran McIntyre. He

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Speaker 1: is with The Blaze. He's got the Ordin McIntyre podcast

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Speaker 1: over there. He was born in Florida, grew up all

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Speaker 1: just based on his very excellent Twitter or in. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us, man, great, great to have you

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Speaker 1: on the program. Yeah, thanks for having me tell me

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Speaker 1: about foxes and lions in the context of politics America

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Speaker 1: and Nicolo Machiavelli's seminal work The Prince, which I know

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Speaker 1: you've recently cited all these things together in a sub stack.

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Speaker 1: Break this one down for me. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: fascinating your most recent analysis on this. Oh thanks, no, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Machiavelli had this comparison between foxes and lions, and

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Speaker 1: of certain situations. And guys who kind of continued in

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Speaker 1: Machiavelli's political tradition, guys like Alfredo Pardo kind of extended this.

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Speaker 1: He called them type one and Type two derivations or residues,

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Speaker 1: but it's easier to just go foxes and lions. And

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Speaker 1: basically he said that, you know, each leadership classes has

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Speaker 1: got an ad mixture of kind of your clever people,

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Speaker 1: alter things, look around corners, explore new ideas, and then

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Speaker 1: it has your core of people who are strong, paytriotic.

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Speaker 1: They're about keeping institutions rock solid and perpetuating tradition, that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so your fox type leaders are

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Speaker 1: situations where you need cleverness, nimbleness, eth ability to manipulate systems,

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Speaker 1: of most civilizations you have very lion type leaders, but

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Speaker 1: as you kind of go on, you end up with

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Speaker 1: now we're almost entirely dominated by foxes and not lions.

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Speaker 1: I would think maybe the animal that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: It certainly also has some political connotations there for which

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Speaker 1: it tends to obfuskate who's actually delivering kind of the rulings. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like you understand who's in charge. When you have a democracy, well,

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Speaker 1: as the public private distinction. That public private distinction does

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Speaker 1: and so you know, it would be nice if you

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Speaker 1: could point to one person and say, hey, this is

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Speaker 1: political Washington, the permanent bureaucracy, Corporate America, the media, who

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Speaker 1: all have similar values, they all share similar goals, and

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Speaker 1: Do you think enough of the country learned the appropriate

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Speaker 1: the midterm elections, which I know there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: But the downside of that, even though I think there

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Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I was a New Yorker born

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Speaker 1: also now a Floridian. I know you were born in Florida.

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Speaker 1: But I want to come back to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your takes, particularly on Twitter, because you

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Speaker 1: bring insight into them. If you could get conservatives forget

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's enough to get him elected

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Speaker 1: president again, but it does mean he's in the very

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Speaker 1: effective Twitter user. I think that one thing that Trump

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Speaker 1: There are some areas where I think Trump just doesn't

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Speaker 1: get nearly enough credit, even from supporters or people like me.

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Speaker 1: Voted for him. I may assume you voted for him too,

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Speaker 1: you know, just because it's They're the areas where I

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Speaker 1: think Trump really likes to just take credit. He likes

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Speaker 1: to do the victory laps. And know there are others

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Speaker 1: where I say, hey, big guy, you know you did

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Speaker 1: an amazing thing here. On China trade policy, for example,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration has essentially just continued the Trump China

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Speaker 1: trade policy because everybody realized when it was implemented, oh,

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Speaker 1: actually this needed to be done right. The US Mexico

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Speaker 1: Canada Agreement NAFTA was basically negotiated and decided before anybody

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Speaker 1: was even really only internet. I mean, it's been decades.

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Speaker 1: That was the right thing to do. Another area, though,

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Speaker 1: where I think he doesn't get enough credit or enough

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Speaker 1: specific credit. Maybe this kind of goes to your point

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Speaker 1: about the media. I think Trump broke CNN. I mean

447
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Speaker 1: CNN is in disarray at you know, they had huge firing.

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus is dead. I think Trump essentially mortally wounded

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Speaker 1: CNN as a news organization. Yeah, the most valuable thing

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Speaker 1: Trump did was just get the media to rip their

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Speaker 1: masks off, right, Like, there's no way you can go

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Speaker 1: back to some veneer of neutrality, you know, pretend that

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Speaker 1: you're Walter Cronkite delivering you know, straight news when you've

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Speaker 1: seen these guys just shriek at Donald Trump for years

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think it's incredibly valuable. And don't

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Speaker 1: get wrong, he did have government governing accomplishments. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he didn't, but yeah, the most powerful thing he

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Speaker 1: did by far was discredit the media. And I just

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Speaker 1: love the fact that when he called them fake news,

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Speaker 1: it seems like such a schoolyard taunt at first, but

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Speaker 1: it really got to them. It really bothered them at

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Speaker 1: a deep, at a visceral level. And I think they

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Speaker 1: to your point about how it exposed them, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: help themselves. I mean they were making arguments. Washington Post

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Speaker 1: writers are making arguments about I think as an entity

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Speaker 1: honestly made the argument, well, in the era of Trump,

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Speaker 1: the truth is anti Trump. So it's not you know,

468
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Speaker 1: we're not being opinionated by being anti Trump, that's just

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Speaker 1: what the truth is. I mean, they created these really

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Speaker 1: orwellian mind loops for themselves. You think you think he's

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Speaker 1: going to be the nominee, what's your take on I

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Speaker 1: would have said yes until a few weeks ago, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: my faith is a little shaken. I think Trump would

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Speaker 1: have been the best option. I loved Santis. I'm a Floridian.

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Speaker 1: I think he's an amazing governor. I think he has

476
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Speaker 1: incredible potential in the Republican Party. But I just think

477
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Speaker 1: that he's more valuable right now showing people how to

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Speaker 1: build a power structure outside of Washington, how to effectively

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Speaker 1: lead outside of Washington, how regional leadership can be far

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Speaker 1: more important than some bill passed in DC. I think

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Speaker 1: he's incredibly valuable in that role. And I think Trump,

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Speaker 1: in his ability to kind of defeat the media, is

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Speaker 1: kind of the best weapon you can wield in Washington,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think big changes are really coming at

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Speaker 1: the federal level. But which you can do is put

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Speaker 1: someone there who will destroy the media. But it does

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Speaker 1: feel like Trump lost a step. It does feel like

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the fight in him anymore. I hope

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I hope he catches a second wind. I

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Speaker 1: just age as a factor. With all this, I would

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Speaker 1: say to people the difference I've even seen in family

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Speaker 1: members between their six You know, in my experience, I

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Speaker 1: could say, family members in their sixties, they're still challenging

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Speaker 1: me to push up contests, and you know they're still

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Speaker 1: got a Once you get into your late seventies, it's

496
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Speaker 1: you know, you got to take care of those people

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Speaker 1: a little more. There's a little less energy, there's a

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Speaker 1: little I think that's just there, which is why the

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Speaker 1: whole Biden phenomenon is just it's beyond it's beyond irresponsible

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Speaker 1: to have made this guy president. There is this moment

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Speaker 1: now where you have the classified documents that have been

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Speaker 1: strewn around, and I think they're just having a hard time.

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Speaker 1: Even the spin machine, you know, the apparatus of disinformation

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats run, doesn't really know how to play this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it goes anywhere? Though? Meaning do you

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Speaker 1: think that this has ramifications for the Biden presidency or

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Speaker 1: is this just a thing that like Hunter Biden, which

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Speaker 1: should have been right, that should have been the big

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Speaker 1: thing that oh the Biden crime family, but it didn't.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think with this one? It's tough.

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Speaker 1: You know, part of me just wants to say, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: they dropped this the way they did after the mid

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Speaker 1: terms so they could kind of get it through the

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Speaker 1: news cycle as fast as possible and then move on.

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Speaker 1: But the slightly more conspiratorial part of me says, someone said,

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Speaker 1: we're done with Joe after this election. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: very obvious that a lot of these documents probably could

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Speaker 1: have been shown at any time, and when you have

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Speaker 1: this many showing up in so many different places simultaneously,

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Speaker 1: it's either a very bad cleanup operation that's just kind

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Speaker 1: of feeding the stuff and hoping it goes away, or

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Speaker 1: it's just something that was meant to kind of make

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Speaker 1: him disqualified so someone else can step in that role

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Speaker 1: later on. I want to get into a little bit

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Speaker 1: of or in lore we come into our next topic

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Speaker 1: here to second as in how you got into this game,

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Speaker 1: some of your background on all that, maybe even I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you're if you have any particular hobbies

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Speaker 1: you want to dive into all things or in McIntyre

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Speaker 1: a second, But I want to speak to the pro

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Speaker 1: life community for a moment here, because, as you know,

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Speaker 1: even though there was this big Supreme Court decision, there's

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Speaker 1: still abortions happening a lot of states, and they're happening

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Speaker 1: every day in huge numbers, and it's a tragedy. It's

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Speaker 1: really sad, but the pro life community can do something

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Speaker 1: about it. There are ways that you can get in

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Speaker 1: this fight for life, and the Preborn Pregnancy Clinics are

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Speaker 1: one of those ways. The Preborn Pregnancy Clinics have been

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Speaker 1: helping women for years by providing them with free ultrasounds

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Speaker 1: as well as counseling, care material assistants. They're helping moms

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Speaker 1: through that difficult moment when they're deciding whether or not

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Speaker 1: to have a baby, and if the mother chooses to

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Speaker 1: have that baby and give her child life, then they

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Speaker 1: continue on with all the help she needs to bring

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Speaker 1: it to a successful pregnancy, and then afterwards as well

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years after the baby is born.

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Speaker 1: And this all starts with the ultrasound, the free ultrasound

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Speaker 1: that they give. So please donate to Preborn if you

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Speaker 1: can today, dial pound two five zero, say the keyword baby.

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Speaker 1: That's pound two five zero from your phone and say

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Speaker 1: the keyword baby. Your donation entirely goes towards saving babies

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Speaker 1: lives and is also entirely tax deductible. Twenty eight dollars

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Speaker 1: can pay for an ultrasound, So two hundred eighty dollars

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Speaker 1: ten ultrasounds, you can save ten babies lives. Think about

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Speaker 1: the impact you can have here. Dial pound two five

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Speaker 1: zero and say the key word baby. Um all right?

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Speaker 1: Or so I like to ask, because I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to you a little bit about some of

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Speaker 1: the blaze stuff. How did you get into this game? Man?

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Speaker 1: What was what was the beginnings of you making these

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Speaker 1: arguments and getting in the fight to help save the country.

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Speaker 1: You know, is very weird. I've someone who went to

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Speaker 1: school for politics. I've always been interested in politics. I

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Speaker 1: remember listening to political talk radio and I was ten

565
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Speaker 1: and trying to call in because you know, it was

566
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Speaker 1: very normal. And uh, when I got out of college,

567
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Speaker 1: I ended up working at politics a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: then I became a reporter for a few years. Nothing big,

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Speaker 1: just with a local paper doing where politics down in Florida?

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Speaker 1: Where down in Southwest Florida? Down southwest Florida. Oh nice,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a nice You know, some people get

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Speaker 1: stuck in like you know, northern North Dakota doing their

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Speaker 1: local reportings. So Southwest Florida is pretty nice. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If he end up on you know, world class beaches,

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Speaker 1: when you have to do your reporting. It's not the

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Speaker 1: worst thing they ever happened, but yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: was doing that, and as I was watching all these

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Speaker 1: elections and things they were going on, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, things aren't working the way that I

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Speaker 1: think they're supposed to. Politics isn't functioning the way that

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Speaker 1: I thought it should. And then when we hit especially COVID,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, Okay, this is insane. The

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Speaker 1: Constitution isn't protecting the rights that it's supposed to. Why

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Speaker 1: are people standing up for this? What's going on? And

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Speaker 1: that's kind of when I fell down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: I started doing a bunch of reading. I started listening

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Speaker 1: to different voices, looking at older political theory and trying

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Speaker 1: to understand kind of how this applied to the world

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Speaker 1: and what was happening around me. And I started writing

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Speaker 1: and recording YouTube videos. And that's kind of how I

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Speaker 1: got started. What were some of the most in that

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Speaker 1: process that you're talking to, that sort of transition into

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Speaker 1: taking an active hand in the ideological battle here for

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Speaker 1: the soul of the country as a conservative were some

595
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Speaker 1: of the most important books, Like Because one of the

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Speaker 1: things I always get and I'm sure people would ask

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Speaker 1: if I didn't ask you, is give me some books

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Speaker 1: that will really, you know, give me something to work with,

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Speaker 1: will inspire me, will teach me, you know what, you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole deal. So what do you What are some

601
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Speaker 1: of the ones that come to mind for you? Sure?

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Speaker 1: If you want to understand politics right now, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the key books is The Machiavellians by James Burnham.

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Speaker 1: He summarizes what's come to be called Italian elite theory,

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Speaker 1: and it's really the Machiavellian descendant of political analysis. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty important if you kind of want

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Speaker 1: to understand what's happening now. A lot of people forget

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Speaker 1: James Burnham. He was the guy who helped found the

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Speaker 1: National Review, uh, you know, and along with Buckley and

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't read them anymore. But

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Speaker 1: it's actually really powerful analysis. I'd say Christopher Caldwell's book,

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Speaker 1: uh about the entitlement Age, Age of Enlightenment engine Titlement, Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a really powerful book. I think it's it's making

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Speaker 1: the rounds now with a lot of people and kind

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Speaker 1: of understanding that better. But it's really powerful. It makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of arguments about kind of the civil rights revolution,

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Speaker 1: and even though it is very well meaning and intention

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Speaker 1: the legal for ramifications became extra constitutional and kind of

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Speaker 1: what that's done. That's, for instance, a lot of conservatives

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Speaker 1: when they think they're talking about, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: this trans kids type stuff debate, they think you're having

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Speaker 1: a debate about biology. I mean, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: what is a Woman is a hilarious movie. It's it's

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Speaker 1: very good, but that's not actually the debate you're having.

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Speaker 1: You're actually having a debate about civil rights, which is

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Speaker 1: why courts are now using trans ideology to separate children

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Speaker 1: from their parents. They're using civil rights ideology as the

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Speaker 1: way to kind of cleave their way into the family.

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Speaker 1: Bertrand de Juvenal has a book on power. It's another

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Speaker 1: great one about kind of how political power works. I

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Speaker 1: could kind of do this forever, so you just stop.

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Speaker 1: Mean when it came. By the way that the people

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Speaker 1: that are listening to this, the people that are watching this,

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Speaker 1: they're taken to this is I get more requests for this.

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Speaker 1: Usually with me, I'll get into history record, history book recommendations.

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Speaker 1: I love reading, you know all. I have a couple

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Speaker 1: of periods I particularly like. It's interesting you're you like

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Speaker 1: Machiavelli so much. I find the sixteenth century Mediterranean world

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Speaker 1: to be absolutely fascinating. So the Siege of Malta, the

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Speaker 1: Battle of Lepanto, the various major Christian Muslim clashes that occurred,

641
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Speaker 1: things like that. I've done a whole podcasts on them.

642
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:40,137
Speaker 1: So I like that stuff a lot. But on the

643
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Speaker 1: political science side and political theory, which is what you're

644
00:33:42,857 --> 00:33:45,017
Speaker 1: you're giving us now, you know, I think people need

645
00:33:45,217 --> 00:33:48,417
Speaker 1: more good recommendations. I'm not taking shots out in particular,

646
00:33:48,457 --> 00:33:49,617
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people out there now on

647
00:33:49,657 --> 00:33:53,137
Speaker 1: the right. Look, ghostwriters are all over the place. People

648
00:33:53,177 --> 00:33:55,177
Speaker 1: are having all kinds of stuff ghost written, and there's

649
00:33:55,177 --> 00:33:58,137
Speaker 1: this industry of churning out these very like oh, this

650
00:33:58,257 --> 00:34:00,017
Speaker 1: is just a version of what I say on my

651
00:34:00,097 --> 00:34:03,417
Speaker 1: show Everyday Books. And look, that's fine, and people, you know,

652
00:34:03,457 --> 00:34:06,257
Speaker 1: it's capitalism, and I get it. But there are books

653
00:34:06,257 --> 00:34:09,257
Speaker 1: that you read and you actually have an addition to

654
00:34:09,337 --> 00:34:11,217
Speaker 1: your skill set to think about these issues. And I

655
00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:13,177
Speaker 1: think that what you're talking about those are books that

656
00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:15,657
Speaker 1: fall into that category. I mean, you do you do

657
00:34:15,697 --> 00:34:18,617
Speaker 1: you know had Lee arcis the political theorist he ever

658
00:34:18,617 --> 00:34:22,937
Speaker 1: heard of? Hadley Arcis. He was. He's the single It's

659
00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:25,097
Speaker 1: not famous like people who were talking about the only

660
00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:28,457
Speaker 1: conservative AMers College where I went, and has written a whole.

661
00:34:28,537 --> 00:34:30,417
Speaker 1: He wrote a book called First Things. He used to

662
00:34:30,417 --> 00:34:33,697
Speaker 1: be an associate editor at National Review. I think for

663
00:34:33,737 --> 00:34:37,017
Speaker 1: a while, or I think First Things magazine. Um, but

664
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Speaker 1: this is something we would I would always talk about

665
00:34:39,217 --> 00:34:40,817
Speaker 1: when we would have these meetings. He had this thing

666
00:34:40,817 --> 00:34:43,297
Speaker 1: called a Committee for the American Founding. We sit around

667
00:34:43,297 --> 00:34:46,737
Speaker 1: and just going over what books were we even being

668
00:34:46,737 --> 00:34:49,257
Speaker 1: assigned in the political science course. If I wanted to

669
00:34:49,377 --> 00:34:54,617
Speaker 1: learn about you know, fanal obviously marks, you know, go

670
00:34:54,617 --> 00:34:57,817
Speaker 1: go down the list, go down the list of super unhappy, miserable,

671
00:34:57,897 --> 00:35:01,337
Speaker 1: malcontents who wanted to destroy their societies. A lot of that,

672
00:35:02,217 --> 00:35:05,057
Speaker 1: but anything that was useful in the contemporary context for

673
00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:08,497
Speaker 1: a conservative, or even just to understand the constitution, natural law,

674
00:35:08,897 --> 00:35:12,097
Speaker 1: and a sense of philosophy that isn't rooted in nothing

675
00:35:12,137 --> 00:35:14,617
Speaker 1: matters and you should just you know, you should just

676
00:35:14,697 --> 00:35:17,057
Speaker 1: give up. That was hard to find. So I think

677
00:35:17,137 --> 00:35:20,177
Speaker 1: some of the books that you're giving a favorite history period,

678
00:35:20,217 --> 00:35:22,817
Speaker 1: since we're all that, actually give me favorite history period,

679
00:35:22,937 --> 00:35:25,817
Speaker 1: and or you get a couple of book recommendations you're

680
00:35:25,817 --> 00:35:27,497
Speaker 1: gonna throw to this this group, what would it be.

681
00:35:29,177 --> 00:35:32,337
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Rome, so I really enjoy

682
00:35:32,497 --> 00:35:34,017
Speaker 1: kind of all things Rome. If I was going to

683
00:35:34,057 --> 00:35:37,257
Speaker 1: pitch one thing on learning about the Roman Empire in Republic,

684
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Speaker 1: I'd say the History of Rome podcast is probably the best.

685
00:35:40,857 --> 00:35:43,857
Speaker 1: Listen to it. Yeah, he's very good, and he's also

686
00:35:43,897 --> 00:35:47,417
Speaker 1: written a couple of books about both Roman history, and

687
00:35:47,457 --> 00:35:50,177
Speaker 1: I think he also did one about the Marquis de Lafayette,

688
00:35:50,617 --> 00:35:53,137
Speaker 1: so he's got a couple of those as well. So

689
00:35:53,177 --> 00:35:56,857
Speaker 1: it's very good. I read years ago Gold's Worthies how

690
00:35:57,057 --> 00:36:00,297
Speaker 1: Rome fell about, you know, the decline and fall of

691
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Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, which I thought was interesting. A big

692
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Speaker 1: part of it was the dissolution of borders and the

693
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Speaker 1: growth of bureaucracy beyond that which could be even vaguely

694
00:36:07,617 --> 00:36:11,617
Speaker 1: accountable to the people. Start to say, that doesn't that

695
00:36:11,657 --> 00:36:14,777
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy, mister Oran,

696
00:36:14,857 --> 00:36:16,377
Speaker 1: when you start to make some of these some of

697
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Speaker 1: these comparisons, Um, are you optimistic about the future of

698
00:36:20,097 --> 00:36:24,417
Speaker 1: the country, How would you put yourself on that scale? Well,

699
00:36:24,857 --> 00:36:26,697
Speaker 1: I think it depends on what you mean by optimistic.

700
00:36:27,537 --> 00:36:31,817
Speaker 1: I am optimistic that at the end of this there

701
00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:35,937
Speaker 1: will be an opportunity for America and for Americans to

702
00:36:36,057 --> 00:36:40,417
Speaker 1: kind of forge a new positive identity that leads, you know,

703
00:36:40,457 --> 00:36:43,057
Speaker 1: to a better vision of what's going on. But I

704
00:36:43,057 --> 00:36:45,137
Speaker 1: think we've got some some rough times ahead. We've got

705
00:36:45,177 --> 00:36:48,977
Speaker 1: a lot of those bureaucracy are our institutions are sclerotic,

706
00:36:49,057 --> 00:36:52,097
Speaker 1: they are worthless in many ways. We can't you know,

707
00:36:52,137 --> 00:36:54,257
Speaker 1: planes can't take off. We don't know how to make

708
00:36:54,257 --> 00:36:57,017
Speaker 1: antibiotics here anymore, you know, we don't know how to

709
00:36:57,057 --> 00:36:59,097
Speaker 1: provide energy. I mean, we know how to provide energy,

710
00:36:59,137 --> 00:37:00,977
Speaker 1: we just decide not to do it right. Like, there's

711
00:37:01,017 --> 00:37:04,777
Speaker 1: a lot of huge problems with our institutions right now,

712
00:37:04,857 --> 00:37:07,297
Speaker 1: and they have to go through massive periods of change,

713
00:37:07,337 --> 00:37:09,417
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think some of those are going to

714
00:37:09,497 --> 00:37:12,097
Speaker 1: require people to kind of have more difficult times before

715
00:37:12,097 --> 00:37:14,537
Speaker 1: they're willing to kind of stand up and make those changes.

716
00:37:14,977 --> 00:37:17,377
Speaker 1: But once those changes get made, I think much better

717
00:37:17,417 --> 00:37:21,257
Speaker 1: times could be ahead. Mentioned the energy thing. Just recently

718
00:37:21,257 --> 00:37:27,977
Speaker 1: there was the Greta Thunberg posing for her arrest photos

719
00:37:28,577 --> 00:37:30,657
Speaker 1: at I didn't it was like a natural gas field

720
00:37:30,737 --> 00:37:32,537
Speaker 1: or something. I can't even I don't even know where

721
00:37:32,577 --> 00:37:35,857
Speaker 1: it was, some fossil fuel thing that allows us to

722
00:37:35,857 --> 00:37:37,617
Speaker 1: have you know, heat and electricity. And she's like, I

723
00:37:37,657 --> 00:37:43,137
Speaker 1: hate this. How is it that adults take I think

724
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,257
Speaker 1: she's eighteen or nineteen now, so she you know, she's

725
00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:47,977
Speaker 1: considered technically an adult, but obviously she's just basically teenager.

726
00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:50,617
Speaker 1: Doesn't know anything. How is it that adults take this

727
00:37:50,777 --> 00:37:53,857
Speaker 1: individual seriously? Like, you know, did you ever see I mean,

728
00:37:53,897 --> 00:37:57,857
Speaker 1: you know, Jake Tapper, CNN top top folks over there

729
00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:01,657
Speaker 1: would sit down and interview Greta Thunberg, and I just

730
00:38:01,737 --> 00:38:05,537
Speaker 1: I don't understand how any adult, period, whether they're on

731
00:38:05,537 --> 00:38:07,657
Speaker 1: the news or anywhere else, could sit down, you know,

732
00:38:07,737 --> 00:38:09,737
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper had her on all these people. I mean,

733
00:38:09,737 --> 00:38:13,377
Speaker 1: I'm just going through the CNN lineup. She doesn't know anything,

734
00:38:13,897 --> 00:38:16,817
Speaker 1: and she's supposed to reorder trillions of dollars of the

735
00:38:16,817 --> 00:38:19,817
Speaker 1: global economy because she has like a frownie face. I

736
00:38:19,817 --> 00:38:24,297
Speaker 1: don't understand. Yeah, I guess the question is, does anyone

737
00:38:24,377 --> 00:38:26,897
Speaker 1: really think that she has original ideas? Maybe they do.

738
00:38:26,937 --> 00:38:28,777
Speaker 1: I mean, what she really is as an avatar of

739
00:38:28,817 --> 00:38:31,577
Speaker 1: the revolution, She's got the people behind her that kind

740
00:38:31,577 --> 00:38:34,977
Speaker 1: of prop her up. She's artificial through and through, and again,

741
00:38:34,977 --> 00:38:37,297
Speaker 1: this is nothing against her. She probably really believes what

742
00:38:37,377 --> 00:38:39,897
Speaker 1: she believes in. I'm not angry at her, but there's

743
00:38:39,897 --> 00:38:42,857
Speaker 1: an entire apparatus that's holding her up in geo complex,

744
00:38:42,857 --> 00:38:44,897
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you're talking about, and they have

745
00:38:44,977 --> 00:38:48,017
Speaker 1: a particular agenda. And she's very useful because in our

746
00:38:48,097 --> 00:38:51,337
Speaker 1: culture we've coded this idea that the revolution is young, right,

747
00:38:51,417 --> 00:38:54,537
Speaker 1: like young people lead the revolution, they distribute the wisdom

748
00:38:54,577 --> 00:38:57,777
Speaker 1: to the old fuddy duddies who don't understand what's coming next.

749
00:38:57,857 --> 00:39:00,097
Speaker 1: You know, she's fighting for her future because she's the

750
00:39:00,097 --> 00:39:01,657
Speaker 1: one who's going to have to live in the planet.

751
00:39:02,017 --> 00:39:04,537
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, you know. And to be honest,

752
00:39:04,577 --> 00:39:08,537
Speaker 1: I'm pretty interested in arguments about conservation. I think the

753
00:39:08,657 --> 00:39:12,257
Speaker 1: right should be more interest in, you know, honoring the planet,

754
00:39:12,257 --> 00:39:15,137
Speaker 1: making sure that you know nature are people on the

755
00:39:15,177 --> 00:39:17,697
Speaker 1: writer or hunters, fishermen, they love this stuff, right, and

756
00:39:17,737 --> 00:39:20,497
Speaker 1: I think they are kind of naturally people who want

757
00:39:20,577 --> 00:39:22,297
Speaker 1: the world to be taken care of, but they want

758
00:39:22,337 --> 00:39:25,097
Speaker 1: it in a way their civilization is going to continue.

759
00:39:25,137 --> 00:39:27,817
Speaker 1: They don't want, you know, to have rolling blackout throughout

760
00:39:27,857 --> 00:39:30,537
Speaker 1: the country. Because you know, someone wanted to make sure

761
00:39:30,577 --> 00:39:33,657
Speaker 1: that they can go ahead and manufacture electric cars at

762
00:39:33,777 --> 00:39:36,657
Speaker 1: a profit, right, Like, that's not really what people want

763
00:39:36,657 --> 00:39:39,657
Speaker 1: when they think of as conservation. Yeah. Well, there's always

764
00:39:39,697 --> 00:39:43,217
Speaker 1: this game that's played where they'll say, well, don't you

765
00:39:43,257 --> 00:39:45,737
Speaker 1: want clean water to drink? And it's like, yeah, every

766
00:39:45,777 --> 00:39:48,977
Speaker 1: everybody wants clean that. I've never met the conservative who says,

767
00:39:48,977 --> 00:39:51,177
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You know when when there's a community

768
00:39:51,177 --> 00:39:53,097
Speaker 1: like Flint, for example, there's lead in the drinking water,

769
00:39:53,217 --> 00:39:56,177
Speaker 1: you know, too bad. No, everyone says that we need

770
00:39:56,217 --> 00:39:58,737
Speaker 1: to have clean drinking water. That's that's a huge failure

771
00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:01,577
Speaker 1: of of of of governance there, and that's a huge

772
00:40:01,617 --> 00:40:03,417
Speaker 1: failure of the authorities that are in charge of this.

773
00:40:03,897 --> 00:40:06,657
Speaker 1: But they go, don't you want clean water? And then

774
00:40:06,657 --> 00:40:09,017
Speaker 1: it's so we need to have carbon offsets so that

775
00:40:09,097 --> 00:40:12,257
Speaker 1: John Kerry and not feel bad about himself for flying

776
00:40:12,257 --> 00:40:14,297
Speaker 1: on a private jet to Davos to talk about how

777
00:40:14,297 --> 00:40:17,817
Speaker 1: we can't have gastos Like you know what's it's always

778
00:40:18,177 --> 00:40:20,457
Speaker 1: they start with these things like, well don't you want

779
00:40:20,497 --> 00:40:21,977
Speaker 1: the most don't you want to be able to breathe

780
00:40:22,017 --> 00:40:24,417
Speaker 1: clean air and drink clean water? And say, well, yeah,

781
00:40:24,457 --> 00:40:28,417
Speaker 1: and then somehow it's what we see going on at

782
00:40:28,497 --> 00:40:32,737
Speaker 1: Davos with eat the bugs, ride the bicycle. Shut your mouth,

783
00:40:32,857 --> 00:40:36,537
Speaker 1: be cold in the winter. Yeah, all the solutions are

784
00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:39,577
Speaker 1: funneling more money into the pockets of their supporters, right, Like,

785
00:40:39,617 --> 00:40:41,937
Speaker 1: that's how you can tell that their agenda is just bunk.

786
00:40:42,017 --> 00:40:44,457
Speaker 1: They don't actually care about this stuff. What they care

787
00:40:44,457 --> 00:40:47,937
Speaker 1: about is enriching their patrons. And that's something that I

788
00:40:47,977 --> 00:40:50,617
Speaker 1: think the right needs to understand. The left is very

789
00:40:50,657 --> 00:40:54,177
Speaker 1: effective because the left is built on rewarding its supporters.

790
00:40:54,337 --> 00:40:56,457
Speaker 1: I mean, say what you want about these people. People

791
00:40:56,457 --> 00:40:59,217
Speaker 1: on the left expect to get paid, right, They expect

792
00:40:59,497 --> 00:41:03,297
Speaker 1: money to flow into their pockets, either through social programs

793
00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:06,177
Speaker 1: or through business investments, this kind of thing, right, I

794
00:41:06,217 --> 00:41:09,417
Speaker 1: think just that's such an important point. I try to

795
00:41:09,417 --> 00:41:11,417
Speaker 1: get people on understand one of the things. There are

796
00:41:11,417 --> 00:41:14,817
Speaker 1: things the left just does better. The Democrats do better

797
00:41:15,097 --> 00:41:18,337
Speaker 1: than Republicans or conservatives. And one of them is they

798
00:41:18,377 --> 00:41:21,977
Speaker 1: take care of their soldiers. You know, if people understand, oh,

799
00:41:22,017 --> 00:41:24,137
Speaker 1: on the left, if someone gets fired or they do

800
00:41:24,217 --> 00:41:26,817
Speaker 1: something crazy, or they're caught with the plagiarism or whatever,

801
00:41:26,937 --> 00:41:29,897
Speaker 1: they always resurface somewhere else and if they do something

802
00:41:30,097 --> 00:41:33,137
Speaker 1: egregious at the FBI, but it helped the Democrat, they

803
00:41:33,177 --> 00:41:35,857
Speaker 1: get a CNN contributorship, they get a book contract, they

804
00:41:35,897 --> 00:41:38,497
Speaker 1: could put on the boards of companies. There's this whole

805
00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:41,297
Speaker 1: apparatus that takes care of their team, and that means

806
00:41:41,337 --> 00:41:42,697
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot, right, I mean, you

807
00:41:42,777 --> 00:41:44,897
Speaker 1: go back in history, the armies that win are the

808
00:41:44,977 --> 00:41:48,497
Speaker 1: armies generally that are getting paid or where there's some

809
00:41:49,057 --> 00:41:52,497
Speaker 1: sense of benefit to the people who are involved in fighting.

810
00:41:53,057 --> 00:41:55,097
Speaker 1: And yet on our side, I feel like a lot

811
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:58,137
Speaker 1: of the time it's yeah, you know, go bankrupt, let

812
00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:00,617
Speaker 1: the left destroy you. That's the cost of doing business.

813
00:42:00,697 --> 00:42:05,337
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, I think we need to learn a lesson. Yeah, no,

814
00:42:05,457 --> 00:42:08,777
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge issue, especially when I talk to conservatives.

815
00:42:08,977 --> 00:42:10,657
Speaker 1: You know, I've had more of an upportunity to talk

816
00:42:10,657 --> 00:42:12,537
Speaker 1: to people who are higher up on the food chain here,

817
00:42:12,737 --> 00:42:14,897
Speaker 1: and I constantly hear like, oh, well, why why doesn't

818
00:42:14,897 --> 00:42:17,257
Speaker 1: everyone just stand up and speak the truth? Why don't

819
00:42:17,257 --> 00:42:19,777
Speaker 1: they all just have the courage of their convictions and

820
00:42:19,817 --> 00:42:22,377
Speaker 1: make their voices heard. And it's like, have you been

821
00:42:22,377 --> 00:42:24,777
Speaker 1: out there? Do you understand what happens to people? They

822
00:42:24,817 --> 00:42:27,817
Speaker 1: don't eat, they can't ever get a job again, They

823
00:42:27,817 --> 00:42:30,337
Speaker 1: get destroyed on social media. None of the friends will

824
00:42:30,337 --> 00:42:32,497
Speaker 1: talk to them. And where are you at this moment.

825
00:42:32,497 --> 00:42:34,457
Speaker 1: You're out there defending some guy like Bill Maher who

826
00:42:34,497 --> 00:42:37,777
Speaker 1: hates you, instead of standing behind average people who really

827
00:42:37,857 --> 00:42:41,497
Speaker 1: stand up and really sacrifice something in the fight against

828
00:42:41,497 --> 00:42:44,217
Speaker 1: this kind of ideology that you say everybody really needs

829
00:42:44,217 --> 00:42:46,617
Speaker 1: to stand up against. You're absolutely right. The left takes

830
00:42:46,657 --> 00:42:48,257
Speaker 1: care of their own. If you fail on the left,

831
00:42:48,457 --> 00:42:51,097
Speaker 1: you have someone behind you to pick you up, deliver

832
00:42:51,137 --> 00:42:53,377
Speaker 1: you a check, make sure you've got a job. When

833
00:42:53,377 --> 00:42:56,057
Speaker 1: you're on the right, they'll burn you in a minute. Yeah,

834
00:42:56,097 --> 00:42:58,617
Speaker 1: And that's just somehow part of our culture. It's like, yeah,

835
00:42:58,737 --> 00:43:01,617
Speaker 1: you know, you fought a good fight. Now, you know,

836
00:43:01,737 --> 00:43:03,377
Speaker 1: go live in penury, you know what I mean, Like

837
00:43:03,417 --> 00:43:05,977
Speaker 1: you're on your own. You're like, wait a second, look

838
00:43:06,257 --> 00:43:09,857
Speaker 1: at all the Russia collusion lunatics. They're all financially better

839
00:43:09,897 --> 00:43:12,497
Speaker 1: off now because there was a hit against Donald Trump

840
00:43:12,497 --> 00:43:16,657
Speaker 1: and against Republicans and there they all have contributorships, they

841
00:43:16,657 --> 00:43:20,057
Speaker 1: get board seats, they get totally taken care of. You know,

842
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:21,617
Speaker 1: it's not just ten percent for the big guy. There's

843
00:43:21,657 --> 00:43:23,457
Speaker 1: ten percent for a lot of people. By the way, word,

844
00:43:23,497 --> 00:43:26,297
Speaker 1: how how long have you been with the Blaze. I

845
00:43:26,497 --> 00:43:28,657
Speaker 1: just started here a few months ago, started in November.

846
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:32,457
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yeah, I mean I remember I started there

847
00:43:32,497 --> 00:43:34,257
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. I was at the Blaze for almost

848
00:43:34,377 --> 00:43:38,817
Speaker 1: six years, and I gotta tell you it's it's such

849
00:43:38,817 --> 00:43:41,377
Speaker 1: a cool place. I first of all, I would ask

850
00:43:41,377 --> 00:43:44,257
Speaker 1: you to please pass along to Glenn that I send

851
00:43:44,297 --> 00:43:45,857
Speaker 1: a hug and I say thank you for starting my

852
00:43:45,897 --> 00:43:49,257
Speaker 1: media career, because Glenn Beck did that for me. And

853
00:43:49,857 --> 00:43:54,897
Speaker 1: you know, Glenn created whatever analogy you know people like best,

854
00:43:54,897 --> 00:43:58,817
Speaker 1: but he created the farm team for the rest of

855
00:43:58,857 --> 00:44:01,137
Speaker 1: conservative media back I'm talking when he when he just

856
00:44:01,177 --> 00:44:02,577
Speaker 1: got it started. I mean, now you got all these

857
00:44:02,617 --> 00:44:05,017
Speaker 1: big names there and it's become a big company. But

858
00:44:05,217 --> 00:44:07,057
Speaker 1: he brought people in like I had no media experience

859
00:44:07,097 --> 00:44:10,977
Speaker 1: and never published anything, and the Blaze hired me and

860
00:44:11,217 --> 00:44:14,177
Speaker 1: taught me how to how to do this stuff. So

861
00:44:14,377 --> 00:44:16,177
Speaker 1: I owe a debt of gratitude to all of them.

862
00:44:16,497 --> 00:44:18,817
Speaker 1: How are things How are things going over there these days?

863
00:44:18,817 --> 00:44:20,617
Speaker 1: Like what kind of shows you get to do? And

864
00:44:20,657 --> 00:44:22,577
Speaker 1: just just tell me. I kind of have a little

865
00:44:22,657 --> 00:44:25,137
Speaker 1: nostalgia here for the Blaze like, what's going on over there?

866
00:44:27,337 --> 00:44:29,577
Speaker 1: No wild because you know, I was just doing this

867
00:44:30,097 --> 00:44:33,497
Speaker 1: at home and my spare time, you know, posting. You know,

868
00:44:33,537 --> 00:44:36,177
Speaker 1: my face wasn't even out there until you know, six

869
00:44:36,217 --> 00:44:39,177
Speaker 1: to eight months ago. And so to go from that

870
00:44:39,257 --> 00:44:42,017
Speaker 1: to being on the blaze has been very wild. You know,

871
00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:45,217
Speaker 1: you come out and meet Glenn Beck and the super

872
00:44:45,337 --> 00:44:46,697
Speaker 1: nice guy, but he kind of had to go ahead

873
00:44:46,737 --> 00:44:48,977
Speaker 1: and do something. And I'm sitting in a green room

874
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:50,857
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I guess someone told Glenn

875
00:44:50,857 --> 00:44:52,657
Speaker 1: that I was a big history guy, and all of

876
00:44:52,697 --> 00:44:54,177
Speaker 1: a sudden he just comes in and he's like, hey,

877
00:44:54,217 --> 00:44:56,177
Speaker 1: you want to go see my history museum. Like he's just,

878
00:44:56,257 --> 00:44:58,577
Speaker 1: you know, super nice about it. Showed me all this

879
00:44:58,697 --> 00:45:02,057
Speaker 1: wild stuff that he's collected over the years. It's totally amazing.

880
00:45:02,177 --> 00:45:03,937
Speaker 1: Have you had. The best thing is when you're hanging

881
00:45:03,977 --> 00:45:06,297
Speaker 1: with Glenn and he'll be you're talking to history with them.

882
00:45:06,297 --> 00:45:08,617
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's like you remember, you know, I

883
00:45:08,617 --> 00:45:11,097
Speaker 1: remember what was going on, and you know it was

884
00:45:11,177 --> 00:45:13,257
Speaker 1: Breed's Hill. It wasn't really Bunker Hill, even though people

885
00:45:13,297 --> 00:45:14,937
Speaker 1: think of it as a Battle of Bunker Hill and

886
00:45:15,137 --> 00:45:17,817
Speaker 1: the whole Paul Revere thing. Glenn'll be like, you want

887
00:45:17,817 --> 00:45:20,577
Speaker 1: to see the stirrups that Paul Revere had on his

888
00:45:20,657 --> 00:45:22,497
Speaker 1: horse that night, and he just kind of like whips

889
00:45:22,497 --> 00:45:24,097
Speaker 1: them out and for you like, oh my god, you

890
00:45:24,097 --> 00:45:27,377
Speaker 1: know he can do that. It's very real. It noo

891
00:45:27,457 --> 00:45:29,217
Speaker 1: that Yeah, that was a very real thing. I was like,

892
00:45:29,457 --> 00:45:31,337
Speaker 1: you can't let people touch this stuff, like what are

893
00:45:31,337 --> 00:45:33,457
Speaker 1: you doing? Like this is raceless. He's got quite a

894
00:45:34,017 --> 00:45:36,977
Speaker 1: quite a personal historical collection. It's it's it's pretty amazing.

895
00:45:36,977 --> 00:45:40,977
Speaker 1: Do you guys still have the Forrest Gump bench down there? Yep,

896
00:45:41,057 --> 00:45:44,017
Speaker 1: it's it's in the in the studio down there. Absolutely,

897
00:45:44,097 --> 00:45:46,177
Speaker 1: it's cool. Well look around a congratulations on that. I

898
00:45:46,177 --> 00:45:48,977
Speaker 1: mean it's a great place to be, uh, you know,

899
00:45:49,017 --> 00:45:51,857
Speaker 1: and and it was so it's essential now, but it's

900
00:45:51,897 --> 00:45:53,937
Speaker 1: you know, because we need more platforms. I mean, this

901
00:45:54,057 --> 00:45:58,377
Speaker 1: is uh, this is something that conservatives still haven't really

902
00:45:58,377 --> 00:46:00,537
Speaker 1: figured out how to do. I mean we're getting a

903
00:46:00,617 --> 00:46:02,897
Speaker 1: little bit here and there, but it's been you know,

904
00:46:02,937 --> 00:46:06,497
Speaker 1: talk radio, Fox News and then a lot of places

905
00:46:06,577 --> 00:46:08,617
Speaker 1: kind of struggling. You know, the Blaze has really built

906
00:46:08,657 --> 00:46:13,657
Speaker 1: itself into an institution and a place that can you know,

907
00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:16,337
Speaker 1: has a big role in I think the fight in

908
00:46:16,377 --> 00:46:19,257
Speaker 1: the culture ahead. So that's very cool. So give my

909
00:46:19,337 --> 00:46:22,377
Speaker 1: regards to the folks, the folks from there, and dude,

910
00:46:22,377 --> 00:46:24,817
Speaker 1: I had I had great memories. I really enjoyed my

911
00:46:24,857 --> 00:46:26,937
Speaker 1: time at the Blaze. Oh. What I was gonna say though,

912
00:46:26,977 --> 00:46:28,657
Speaker 1: was it was like Glenn brought together. He was like

913
00:46:28,737 --> 00:46:32,057
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier and they're all these misfits that he put

914
00:46:32,097 --> 00:46:34,817
Speaker 1: together that had some skills. But you know, we were

915
00:46:34,857 --> 00:46:36,937
Speaker 1: we were new and there are people the people know now.

916
00:46:37,297 --> 00:46:40,657
Speaker 1: I was there. Will Kine over Fox News was there, Uh,

917
00:46:40,817 --> 00:46:43,537
Speaker 1: you know, he brought in Tommy larn early in her career.

918
00:46:43,577 --> 00:46:46,457
Speaker 1: He brought in um oh gosh, I'm trying to I

919
00:46:46,497 --> 00:46:50,617
Speaker 1: used to see Guy Benson and Jedediah Biela and Pete

920
00:46:50,697 --> 00:46:53,297
Speaker 1: Hegset like so many of these names ever know now

921
00:46:53,377 --> 00:46:56,737
Speaker 1: from Fox News got their start back in twenty eleven

922
00:46:57,377 --> 00:46:59,697
Speaker 1: at the Blaze because there just weren't that many places.

923
00:46:59,897 --> 00:47:02,297
Speaker 1: I mean, even you've got your podcast now, but you

924
00:47:02,337 --> 00:47:05,057
Speaker 1: get to go right that you can do um all

925
00:47:05,057 --> 00:47:06,697
Speaker 1: the I can't even think of all the different shows

926
00:47:06,697 --> 00:47:09,857
Speaker 1: over there now. Steve Days, how's he doing? By the way,

927
00:47:10,337 --> 00:47:12,377
Speaker 1: Steve is really great? No he yeah, he was actually

928
00:47:12,417 --> 00:47:14,137
Speaker 1: the first guy on the Blaze to have me on,

929
00:47:14,217 --> 00:47:17,577
Speaker 1: even before you know, I had interacted with anyone else

930
00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:19,777
Speaker 1: over there. And yeah, I've also gotten to be on

931
00:47:19,817 --> 00:47:22,977
Speaker 1: Ali Stuckies Show and then Glenn Beck and everything. So yeah, no,

932
00:47:23,057 --> 00:47:25,097
Speaker 1: it's it's an amazing how he's done a phenomenal job

933
00:47:25,137 --> 00:47:28,657
Speaker 1: building building her podcast. Um, and you know Steve Day's

934
00:47:28,737 --> 00:47:30,537
Speaker 1: game respects game. You know, he's a high he's a

935
00:47:30,577 --> 00:47:33,617
Speaker 1: high watched guy too. And then just with Glenn, I mean,

936
00:47:33,657 --> 00:47:37,177
Speaker 1: Glenn is he's you know, they're they're people in our

937
00:47:37,177 --> 00:47:38,977
Speaker 1: business who are really smart and good at what they do.

938
00:47:39,017 --> 00:47:41,417
Speaker 1: And then the people who are they're like a talent

939
00:47:41,617 --> 00:47:45,337
Speaker 1: they have, They're talented in a in a performance. You know,

940
00:47:45,377 --> 00:47:47,737
Speaker 1: I think it's true politicians to write their politicians who

941
00:47:47,777 --> 00:47:49,857
Speaker 1: are good at governance. And and then there there's the

942
00:47:50,017 --> 00:47:52,417
Speaker 1: X factor thing Glen's at. Glen's an X factor guy.

943
00:47:52,497 --> 00:47:55,577
Speaker 1: You know, Glenn has an ability, a storytelling and connection

944
00:47:55,617 --> 00:47:58,617
Speaker 1: ability that I've I mean, I've seen other people that

945
00:47:58,657 --> 00:48:00,937
Speaker 1: have similar skills, but I've never seen anybody who has

946
00:48:00,937 --> 00:48:03,817
Speaker 1: it the way Glenn does. Yeah, I mean there's a

947
00:48:03,857 --> 00:48:06,257
Speaker 1: reason that he still has the following he does, right,

948
00:48:06,457 --> 00:48:09,257
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty impressive and he draws all kinds of

949
00:48:09,257 --> 00:48:12,377
Speaker 1: people when in with it. I couldn't believe I was.

950
00:48:12,497 --> 00:48:14,057
Speaker 1: I was on my way out of the studio and

951
00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:16,497
Speaker 1: then just like Research Dreyfus shows up out of nowhere,

952
00:48:16,537 --> 00:48:18,177
Speaker 1: like he's just doing a show with Glenn that day.

953
00:48:18,177 --> 00:48:19,337
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's the kind of things that

954
00:48:19,337 --> 00:48:22,217
Speaker 1: happened to Oh yeah, he's like random Hollywood actors were like,

955
00:48:22,297 --> 00:48:24,617
Speaker 1: especially if they're a little stealth conservative, they'd swing by.

956
00:48:24,777 --> 00:48:26,697
Speaker 1: And you know, Glenn has he's got a lot of friends,

957
00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:28,857
Speaker 1: a lot of places. It's pretty funny. Anyway, give them

958
00:48:28,857 --> 00:48:30,417
Speaker 1: my warm regards the rest of the team there, Man

959
00:48:30,457 --> 00:48:33,297
Speaker 1: and Oran, where can people go to check out your

960
00:48:33,337 --> 00:48:38,657
Speaker 1: podcast and uh see see your very excellent analysis. Oh yeah,

961
00:48:38,697 --> 00:48:41,697
Speaker 1: no thanks. They can go of course to Oran McIntyre's

962
00:48:41,697 --> 00:48:45,097
Speaker 1: show is on all your major podcast platforms now. I

963
00:48:45,137 --> 00:48:47,097
Speaker 1: also have the YouTube channel, which is kind of where

964
00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:49,297
Speaker 1: it all started and everything still goes up there, and

965
00:48:49,697 --> 00:48:51,897
Speaker 1: now things are on Blaze TV as well. They just

966
00:48:51,937 --> 00:48:54,617
Speaker 1: actually got everything started with that today. So you can

967
00:48:54,697 --> 00:48:56,897
Speaker 1: go to any of those platforms and catch the show

968
00:48:57,537 --> 00:48:58,937
Speaker 1: or in thanks so much for being on the box.

969
00:48:58,937 --> 00:49:02,017
Speaker 1: Sex and show Maam. We'll talk to you soon. Absolutely

970
00:49:02,057 --> 00:49:02,697
Speaker 1: thanks for having Man