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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran,

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 3: Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ Is King.

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Speaker 4: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so,

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Speaker 4: Robinson had become more political and had started to lean

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Speaker 4: writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate,

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Speaker 4: a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in

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Speaker 4: several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and

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Speaker 2: Audrey Hale March twenty seventh, she killed six people at

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Speaker 2: the Covenant School in Nashville. We now have the forensics

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Speaker 2: on Audrey. I will remind you it's very sensitive because Audrey.

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Speaker 2: So Audrey was trans but was holding her her themselves

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Speaker 2: out as a female at home and then male sometimes

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Speaker 1: I want to hear barking, I want to hear screaming

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Speaker 1: and howling.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear horse noises, I want to hear moaning.

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Speaker 2: Way are the generals.

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Speaker 6: Robin Westman, twenty three year old transgender Minneapolis shooter who

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Speaker 6: of disturbing demonic beliefs.

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Speaker 4: They live.

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Speaker 5: We got him.

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Speaker 7: Authorities identified the suspected gunman and Wednesday's fatal shooting of

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Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk as twenty two year old Tyler Robinson of Utah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ladies and Genthn welcome aboard today's edition of Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily. And I wanted to take a little bit

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Speaker 1: of time to do a special deep dive and a

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson. And there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions about this. There's been a lot of theories about this.

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Speaker 1: But then one day, a couple of weeks ago, something

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Speaker 1: someone had reached out to him, someone who was a

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Speaker 1: so after that person reached out, this leaker, this whistleblower

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Speaker 1: this toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology,

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Speaker 1: And so when you dig through these leagues, and there

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Speaker 1: What's the backstory, How did this happen, Why did this happen?

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Speaker 1: twisted world of Tyler Robinson today. Liz Wheeler is joining

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Speaker 4: On September tenth, twenty twenty five, the roommate received a

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Speaker 4: text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: It Hio check with celch We're back live here Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily. And of course, as we're talking about all

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Speaker 1: of this, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring on

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Speaker 1: someone who's been doing so much yeoman's work on it herself.

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Speaker 1: It is my friend Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz

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Speaker 1: Wheeler Show.

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Speaker 8: Liz. Welcome to hu E.

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Speaker 5: Vans Dally, Hi Jack, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So just on a on a on a you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is a very interesting story

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Speaker 3: did not see these leaks. This insider, this individual who

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Speaker 3: context into how these individuals or how Tyler Robinson specifically,

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Speaker 3: be honest, I didn't see this report until about two

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Speaker 3: And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos

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Speaker 5: And it leads you down.

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Speaker 3: This investigative path to as you said.

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Speaker 1: It hadn't crossed over into conservative media at all or

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what the state of Tyler Robinson's

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Speaker 10: Daily investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on Casing's

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and

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Speaker 8: These logs, these texts.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Liz, I, because I've been, you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twiggs had been drinking,

437
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: somebody crossed the line. Maybe Lance Twiggs had sexually groomed

438
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Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him. Again, the reason

439
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of

440
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: basic morality.

441
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Speaker 5: When you engage in in.

442
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Speaker 3: Moral acts, it twists your moral compass into allowing yourself

443
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Speaker 3: to be convinced that wrong is right and right is wrong,

444
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: which clearly applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made

445
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: when he he's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk.

446
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: The other part of this Jack, the other part of

447
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: the sexual relationship that's relevant is during these times of

448
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: Lance Twiggs's spirals, as described by this friend, where he

449
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: would go two or three days without sleeping. He'd talk

450
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: to Chat gpt in on it like you can't even

451
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: it's not you can't read it, it's not real words.

452
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: He's talking in gibberish to Chat GPT, he's talking to

453
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: people in gibberish. It appeared that Tyler Robinson was still

454
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Speaker 3: engaging in sexual activity with Lance Twigs.

455
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Speaker 5: So there's that's not healthy, that's not normal.

456
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Speaker 3: You have to wonder then, what this dynamic between these

457
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Speaker 3: two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance

458
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: Twigs also would even when they had people over in

459
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 3: their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and

460
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times

461
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Speaker 3: when he was barely able to communicate with the guests

462
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Speaker 3: in his apartment.

463
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Speaker 8: That's right.

464
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Speaker 1: And I read those messages as well, and I read

465
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Speaker 1: with this friend, and you know, sometime roommate was reacting

466
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Speaker 1: to and was describing and it's just it's so depraved

467
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: and it's so gross, and at the same time it's real.

468
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Speaker 8: It's all real.

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Speaker 1: And when you read through it and you say, what

470
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Speaker 1: type of twisted person could.

471
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Speaker 8: Possibly get up on a roof and shoot Charlie Kirk?

472
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Speaker 1: And then you read this and you say, well, you know,

473
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Speaker 1: it sounds like this type of twisted, demented person would

474
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Speaker 1: commit such an act of the evil right back, Jack Pisobic,

475
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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler, Human Events.

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Speaker 7: Daily there's some published reports out there that this individual,

477
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 7: the roommate, may have been transitioning.

478
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Speaker 8: Did that correlate with what you saw?

479
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely.

480
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Speaker 3: Please then see have an a friends tis Yeah, yeah,

481
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: the roommate.

482
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 4: Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved

483
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Speaker 4: in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police

484
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Speaker 4: that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,

485
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,

486
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from

487
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Speaker 4: Robinson which said, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard.

488
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note

489
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: that stated quote, I had the opportunity to take out

490
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Selwick, We're back live here, Human Events Daily,

492
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Speaker 1: wrong with Liz Wheeler.

493
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Speaker 8: We're talking about the twisted.

494
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Speaker 1: World of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic

495
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Speaker 1: relationship and Liz.

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Speaker 8: We were just chtting during the break. But it wasn't

497
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 8: just alcohol.

498
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the leftism which has come out in

499
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: so much of these leaks. The hatred of Charlie Kirk

500
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: and all conservatives really, but also the the rampant use

501
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: of We talked about alcohol, but also drugs and something

502
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Speaker 1: called black market HRT.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this might be one another one of the

504
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: underreported aspects that's truly critical to this story. This insider,

505
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, describes Lance

506
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Twigs as not just drinking too much alcohol, but as

507
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: a frequent user. I think you said evaped THHC, that

508
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: he used shrooms, he used LSD, he used molly. He

509
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: described him as a heavy drug user. In addition to

510
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: the fact that Lance Twigs, obviously born a biological male,

511
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: was at some point in the transition quote unquote to

512
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: a female, meaning that he was identifying it seemed maybe

513
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female.

514
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: But that identity or that transition included using hormone replacement

515
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor that

516
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: he had gotten just from a local drug dealer. I

517
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: suppose that's how you get drugs on the black market,

518
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: meaning we don't know the dosage, we don't know if

519
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: it was contaminated, we don't really know what was in it.

520
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: We don't know how this was affecting his mental state.

521
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: We I mean, for all we know, this could have

522
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: been something that was more toxic than just hormone replacement

523
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: therapy is in and of itself, let's just say that.

524
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: And the way this friend describes Lance Twigs's life, it

525
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: seemed like this drug use was not just frequent, It

526
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in

527
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: Lance Twigs. Periods of time when he was going days

528
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: and days without sleeping, when he was obsessively talking and

529
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: gibberish to chat, GPT, when he was having tantrums in

530
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Speaker 3: his own room, when he was screaming at people for

531
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Speaker 3: touching his trash piles in his nest.

532
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's all connected.

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Speaker 8: Jack, Oh, it is all connected.

534
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Speaker 1: And what's interesting too, is that when you look at

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to say it, there was one

536
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Speaker 1: another piece there where the friend, the leaker, mentions that

537
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Speaker 1: he believes that Tyler Robinson was shall we say, sexually inexperienced,

538
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Speaker 1: that he was a virgin when he moved in with

539
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Speaker 1: Lance Twigs. And I realized while looking at some of

540
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Speaker 1: this stuff and reading through that it actually sounds like

541
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Speaker 1: this was inceell behavior from Tyler Robinson's case, That's okay,

542
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: he's an Inceel, right, So we certainly have I heard

543
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: so much of that and so many times where these

544
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: downwarthy mobile white males have you know, kind of been

545
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: in this in cell community. But here's one yet again

546
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: who's responding in rape in an enraged fashion in cell rage,

547
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: which is certainly something that's been studied. But in a way,

548
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: it's almost like and and this is just my opinion,

549
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is in the evidence, but it's

550
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: almost like he was searching for a way to lose

551
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Speaker 1: that virginity.

552
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 8: He was searching in a way.

553
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: To be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors. The drugs,

554
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: the perverted sexual activity, the furry behavior, the furry porn,

555
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: the cub porn, all of this is a sort of

556
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: way to dive in after having been you know, considered

557
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: himself an in cell prior to this, and you know,

558
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: then just kind of overdoses on these internet subcultures, completely

559
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: snaps and in a way, you know, people are saying, well,

560
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Speaker 1: did he do this as an active romance or an

561
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: act of love with with twigs and I think I

562
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: think he was doing it looking for some kind of validation, right,

563
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and it's just my opinion, but almost looking for you know,

564
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: like like an act of praise. He wanted praise for us.

565
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: He wanted to impress Twigs. Look what I did for you.

566
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: Look what I've done for you. And and you know,

567
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: of course, you know Twigs even responding saying that I

568
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: didn't know you wanted to do something like that. But

569
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: when you really get into these motivations and all of

570
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: this is certainly going to come out of trial, so

571
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: we're getting, you know, an early look at it, but

572
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be something that comes up the

573
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: motivation of what could drive someone to do something so horrible,

574
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Speaker 1: And I think this does It doesn't answer all the questions,

575
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: in fact, gives me many more questions, but it gets

576
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: you part of the way there.

577
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much speculation that could that we

579
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: could engage in when it comes to this, and I

580
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: in a sense want to avoid the speculation and just

581
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: follow the facts. I think you're correct that it raises

582
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: a lot of questions, and if I were the FBI,

583
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: I would pursue some of the questions that you mentioned.

584
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Another aspect of the of the word that you mentioned

585
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: this this in cell culture, would be the lockdowns. Were

586
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: these individuals subjects to social isolation?

587
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: Were their schools shut down?

588
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: Where did they were they reduced to being chronically online?

589
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: Is that when their radicalization or their mental instability began.

590
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: I'd certainly, if I were the FBI, be interested in

591
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: looking into that because it is I mean, if we're

592
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: going to try to get an idea of the totality

593
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: the context of these individuals, their lives, and their beliefs,

594
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: what motivated Tyler Robinson to commit to such a heinous, horrible,

595
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: evil act.

596
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: You do have to look at every aspect of what has.

597
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: Formed and informed this person, whether it is their religion,

598
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: their relationship with their family, their political views, their drug use,

599
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: their alcohol use, their friendships, their online habits, their sexual habits.

600
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: All of these things play into it and form the

601
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: totality of evidence. And you have to wonder, or I

602
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: wonder I should say, and if I were the FBI,

603
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: I would be investigating this. When this type of chronically

604
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 3: online behavior, this foray or experimentation with these extreme things

605
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: drugs and sex free pornography, specifically, the transgender ideology, when

606
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: that began and where it came from, Well.

607
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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and that's actually not not that

608
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I cite these guys very often, but there was a

609
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Speaker 1: piece in The New Yorker a couple of weeks ago,

610
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: and it was called how Monsters Went from Menacing to Misunderstood?

611
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: And they just in the subhead they wrote, for most

612
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: of human history, monsters were repugnant, aberrations, breaches of the

613
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: natural and moral order. What's behind our relentless urge to

614
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Speaker 1: humanize them? And so I think that's something that you know,

615
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: we really as a society have, you know, you call

616
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: it Disney movies, Pixar, et cetera. You know, we were

617
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: always sort of looking for the whole movie series Wicked

618
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: is about trying to humanize and the Wicked Witch and saying, oh,

619
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, she was just misunderstood and actually Dorothy was

620
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the bad one and see, you totally don't get it.

621
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: And Maleficent was a whole series like this too, also

622
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: pushed by Disney. And so there's there's all these these

623
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Speaker 1: these things and pushed throughout our culture where we take

624
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: the monstrous and we say no, no, it's just misunderstood.

625
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: But we can't do that from a legal perspective and

626
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: from a societal justice perpective.

627
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 5: Can we No, And I don't. I don't think that

628
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: that's what this is.

629
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Speaker 3: I think understanding the totality of what formed the ideology

630
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: that motivated Tyler Robinson, who is alleged by authorities who

631
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 3: have assassinated Charlie Kirk. I think the reason to investigate

632
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: the background in the context of him and his motivations and.

633
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 5: His ideological formation.

634
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: Is because this is an increasingly common ideology among young

635
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 3: men in our country, whether it's these radical trans groups,

636
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 3: whether it's in Antifa. There is a lot of left

637
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: wing violence that is happening right now in our country,

638
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: and it is important in order to protect our families

639
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: and our communities and our our nation, the fabric of

640
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: our nation at large, it's important to understand why this

641
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: is happening and how these people are being formed into

642
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: the revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they are because they

643
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: aren't born like this Jack, They're not born Marxists, they're

644
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: not born murderers. That something happens between the moment they

645
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 3: leave the womb and you know, the moment that they

646
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 3: pull the trigger and assassinate our friend Charlie Kirk. Something

647
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: happened to indoctrinate them into this evil ideology. And you

648
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: and I are both Catholic. We know that we have

649
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: we have been given free will. We as humans have

650
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: the choice to choose God or to choose Satan. And

651
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: if Tyler Robinson is convicted of the crime that we

652
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: think he committed, then we know that he chose evil

653
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: and he should be held accountable for that, both in

654
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Speaker 3: front of his creator and in a just society like ours.

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Speaker 5: No one's trying to step away from that.

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Speaker 3: But larger picture, if we are facing the ongoing threat

657
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Speaker 3: of similar crimes being committed against those that we love,

658
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Speaker 3: we need to understand the formation of these people so

659
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Speaker 3: that we can make an effort as a society to

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Speaker 3: stop it.

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Speaker 8: It's really as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: And when I served at Guantanamo Bay and came face

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Speaker 1: to face with radical Islam and some of the most

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Speaker 1: horrific Radical ISLAMI killers that our country has ever seen,

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Speaker 1: I still spent time trying to unpack their radical ideology

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Speaker 1: and learning about what it was about Radical Islam that

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Speaker 1: made them commit the acts that they did. It didn't

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Speaker 1: mean that that it absolved them from the acts or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 8: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: It was about understanding an ideology and an enemy that

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Speaker 1: was facing my country, my family that needed.

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Speaker 8: To be stopped. We'll be right back, Jack of SOVIEC.

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Speaker 9: Whiz Wheeler.

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Speaker 4: Am filing a notice of intent to seek the duck penalty.

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Speaker 4: I do not take this decision lightly, and it is

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Speaker 4: a decision I have made independently as County Attorney, based

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Speaker 4: solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of

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Speaker 4: the crime.

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Speaker 8: All right, Jack Rezovic back live here.

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Speaker 1: Human Events Daily were on with Liz Wheeler, and the

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: more and more that I read about the twisted world

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Speaker 1: of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigged, it reminds me so much.

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Speaker 8: Of the story. You know. The case was called the

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Speaker 8: Crime of the Century. Leopold and Loeb.

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Speaker 1: Leopold and Lobe were two American murderers in nineteen twenty

687
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Speaker 1: four in Chicago, and there are several movies about this,

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00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: one of which has Jimmy Stewarts now for Hitchcock movie.

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Speaker 8: It's a great one.

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Speaker 1: And they the two of them, were highly intelligent, they

691
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Speaker 1: were highly successful scholastically, and yet they decided to prove

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Speaker 1: their intellect and to prove how better they were than others,

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Speaker 1: that they would kidnap and murder a fourteen year old

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Speaker 1: named Bobby Franks, who they knew. And they were two

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Speaker 1: people who were caught and had done this because simply

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Speaker 1: they decided to to show their prowess. Now they were

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Speaker 1: given life in prison. They were not executed. I believe

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Speaker 1: they should have been executed because again, in this case,

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Speaker 1: they made this decision, They made this horrific decision to

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Speaker 1: do this. And we know that Charlie Kirk was a

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Speaker 1: believer in the death penalty, that Charlie Kirk was someone

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Speaker 1: who read the Bible and said, this shows me that

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Speaker 1: God has ordered the death penalty for those heinous crimes.

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Speaker 1: And funny enough, or funnily enough, I suppose I should

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Speaker 1: say that their defense attorney was none other than Clarence

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Speaker 1: Darrow himself. Yes, the very same Clarence Darrow from the

707
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Speaker 1: Scopes monkey trial, a famous atheist in his own right

708
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: and chipped away at American justice and American capital punishment.

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Speaker 1: And so we see a lot of similarities. We see

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Speaker 1: because there was a lot of sexual activity and what

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Speaker 1: they claimed was abuse, and they were in a homosexual

712
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Speaker 1: affair with themselves.

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Speaker 8: That's why it reminds me. Reminded me so much of this.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Liz, when we look at the totality

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Speaker 1: of all of this, you know, Leopold and Loebe, that

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Speaker 1: was one hundred years ago, exactly one hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: under one.

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Speaker 8: And here we are one hundred years later.

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Speaker 1: And the only difference I suppose you could say is

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just homosexuality, it was transsexuality.

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Speaker 8: In this case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the connective tissue.

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Speaker 3: There is godlessness, right, both of which are voch of

724
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Speaker 3: which require it in order to be a practitioner.

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Speaker 5: Listen, Jack.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things too, about the transgender

727
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Speaker 3: ideology we have talked, or we had begun to talk

728
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Speaker 3: as as a nation, not just in the conservative movement,

729
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: about this thread of violence that is included in the

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Speaker 3: transgender ideology, and I think it's worth noting how it

731
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Speaker 3: applies to this case too. I wrote a book two

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00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: years ago about the assault on America's kids, and I

733
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Speaker 3: noted that at the time, critical race theory was the

734
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Speaker 3: thing that was the topic that was you know, young

735
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Speaker 3: white children in school were being told that they were

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Speaker 3: irredeemably racist because of the color of their skin. There

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Speaker 3: was nothing they could do about it, because of crimes

738
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Speaker 3: or wrongdoings that were committed by generations ago by people

739
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Speaker 3: who happened to share the same skin color. Young black

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00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: children were being told that they were pressed based on

741
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: the color of their skin. There was nothing they could

742
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Speaker 3: do about it, and this creates in children such an

743
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: incredible self loathing. Imagine being told that you're evil and

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Speaker 3: there not because of anything you've done or thought or said,

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Speaker 3: or how you've treated other people.

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Speaker 5: But just based on what you look like, based on

747
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Speaker 5: who you are.

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Speaker 3: Conversely, imagine what it's like to be told that you're

749
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Speaker 3: oppressed and that you're never going to succeed based on

750
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Speaker 3: just what you look like. This creates an identity crisis,

751
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Speaker 3: and intentionally so in young children.

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Speaker 5: And I call it the one two punch.

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Speaker 3: So children are being indoctrinated in critical race theory, and

754
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Speaker 3: especially this applies to young white children for the purpose

755
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Speaker 3: of this illustration. They have their identity torn down, they

756
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: feel self loathing, and that's the first punch and incomes

757
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: this second ideology, this transgender ideology that says, listen, you

758
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: might have been labeled as the oppressor because of the

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Speaker 3: color of your skin, and there's nothing you can do

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Speaker 3: to redeem yourself from that.

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Speaker 5: But I'm offering you this anecdote.

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Speaker 3: I'm offering you the opportunity if you put on the

763
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Speaker 3: mantle of the transgender ideology, if you reject who you are,

764
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Speaker 3: reject your parents, reject your person, reject your God, reject

765
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Speaker 3: your body, then you.

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Speaker 5: Can be one of us. You can be one of

767
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Speaker 5: the victims. You can be one of the oppressed, and

768
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Speaker 5: you're no longer the bad guy.

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Speaker 3: We will give you back your self worth and your

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Speaker 3: identity if you take.

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Speaker 5: On an artificial identity.

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Speaker 3: And it served as this one two punch to transfer

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Speaker 3: form young people from just normal kids going to school

774
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Speaker 3: operating in society to these radical revolutionaries. And both Tyler

775
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Speaker 3: Robinson and Lance Twigs are of the age that they

776
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Speaker 3: would have been victims of this one two punch, not

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00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: just in public schools, but in society at large. That

778
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: young white men are told that they're disgusting because they're white.

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00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: They're told that they're.

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Speaker 3: Evil, and the only thing they can do is reject

781
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: their biolog their god given biology, and become something else.

782
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Speaker 5: And what happens when they do this.

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Speaker 3: The only requirement in order to go from being an

784
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: oppressor to being oppressed is that you reject all objective reality,

785
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: that you pay fealty instead to the Marxist ideology. And

786
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: you have to sometimes be willing to give your very

787
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: life to overthrow the oppressors who now want to genocide

788
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: you as the oppressed. And what happens is these young

789
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: people are not just mentally ideologically brainwashed, they are now

790
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Speaker 3: willing to physically carry out this ideaology.

791
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Speaker 5: It turns them into essentially comic causes.

792
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Speaker 3: These these suicide actors in a sense for the Marxist

793
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: dialectic that underpins the transgender ideology, and of course that

794
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: element exists. I know Tyler Robinson wasn't the one who

795
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: was transitioning. He wasn't on the hormone replacement therapy, but

796
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: he was engaging in sexual activity with someone who was

797
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: so at the very least intellectually, he was captured by

798
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Speaker 3: this ideology too.

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Speaker 1: Most likely, No, there's no question, and I was just

800
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: pulling up some other stuff on Leopold and Lobe. By

801
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: the way, for folks who might not know, the Alfred

802
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: Hitchcock movie is rope by the way, Jimmy Stewart, It's

803
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: just a fantastic It's a classic. I think most of

804
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Speaker 1: the film, or possibly all the film, was done in

805
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: one shot. Richard Loeb was seen as the dominant one, charismatic, confident,

806
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: obsessed with crime, as an intellectual gang Leopold who was

807
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: the one who obsessed and idolized over Lobe. He was

808
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: highly intelligent IQ over two hundred by some estaments, but

809
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: became emotiontionally dependent on Lobe, deeply infatuated with Lobe, willing

810
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: to go along with anything that Lobe wanted, and in

811
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: their relationship, Leopold often deferred to Lobe's wishes both sexually

812
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: and in their criminal activities. Liz I got to say,

813
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be going down the rabbit hole

814
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: on this for the rest of the evening because the

815
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: similarities are just so stark, and they're both eighteen, and

816
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: they were eighteen and nineteen at the time of the crime,

817
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: were they Yep.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty wild. I mean, that's pretty wild.

819
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Speaker 3: I suspect Jack that if we the public were given

820
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Speaker 3: access to, you know, the accounts of Lance Twigs and

821
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson and said like listen, here's their online footprint,

822
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: here's their computer, here's their phone, Like, go nuts, find

823
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Speaker 3: out what they looked up, what they read, what they wrote,

824
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 3: what they watched, what they did. I suspect you would

825
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: find trails that would lead you back to stuff like that.

826
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Speaker 1: Right, And of course you know and by the way,

827
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Speaker 1: like I want to be very very clear about this

828
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Speaker 1: that I'm just talking about. You know, this previous case

829
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: we're theorizing where we're looking at some of these leaks

830
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: and asking questions. I don't know or have any evidence

831
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: in any way to say that Lance Twigs was involved

832
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: in this. The evidence doesn't seem to show that. The

833
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: evidence seems to show that in this case, it was

834
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: not something that they planned together. It seems like it

835
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: was something that Tyler Robinson, again based on the evidence

836
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: that Tyler Robinson did on his own as a form

837
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Speaker 1: of pleasing to Twigs, as a form of wanting to

838
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: receive praise, which would also fit in with being emotionally dependent.

839
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Speaker 1: So he's wanting that praise, but again being highly intelligent.

840
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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 1: They mentioned that Tyler Robinson was in an electronics program

842
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: and excuse me, an engineering program, that he was someone

843
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: who was highly intelligent as well as Twigs himself had

844
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: been a former gifted student, but they had both sort

845
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: of dropped out of their respective program, so you see.

846
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Speaker 8: A lot of the similarities. Only about a minute left.

847
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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler, thank you so much for doing the yeomen's

848
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: work on this, doing the heavy lifting. Where can people

849
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: go to get everything that you're going to be putting

850
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: out on this?

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00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me Jack. You can go to

852
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash Liz Wheeler. You can follow me

853
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: on x X dot com slash Liz Underscore Wheeler. And

854
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: we have video on Spotify now, so if you go

855
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: to Spotify app and search the Liz Wheeler Show, we

856
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 3: are on there too, and it's censorship free, so it's

857
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: a great app.

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Speaker 5: If you're not able to catch us live.

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Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely incredible, And I know that a lot

860
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: of people are gonna be listening to this live and

861
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: I really do hope that this and that you know,

862
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: share it with others, that you get it out there,

863
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: because we know there's been a lot of questions about this.

864
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: We have a lot of questions as well for those

865
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Speaker 1: of us who knew him, and as we start to

866
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: get answers, we can start to unpack the twisted and

867
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: demented truth about what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk

868
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: and his family deserves that, and his kids deserve that.

869
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Speaker 8: So that's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, As always, you have my permission to

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Speaker 1: lay a short