1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeartRadio, Hey brain Stuff, 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Lauren Boblaban. Here in no period of American history, not 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: in its founding, nor at the height of its most 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: soaring successes, during none of its many wars, nor in 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: the often brief years of peace in between, has xenophobia 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: not been a problem. This fear and hatred of people 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: perceived as foreign or other isn't always blatant. Xenophobia even 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: appears at times to be on the decline, say after 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: the signing of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: But other times it seems to spew with fury and 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: venom unapologetically from the mouths of common citizens and former 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: presidents alike. It's a fact of American life, never easy 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: to face, and never ever pretty. For the article this 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: episode is based on How Stuff Works. Spoke with Erica Lee, 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: a history professor and the director of the Immigration History 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Research Center at the University of Minnesota. She's also the 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: author of the book America for Americans, A History of 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Xenophobia in the United States. She said to me, when 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I see xenophobia throughout history, I see it as changing, morphing, adapting, 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: but not necessarily going away. It's very common to be 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: swept up in some of these moments. The concept of 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: xenophobia is often muddled with isms like racism, which is 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: the belief that our race determines our traits and that 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: a particular race is inherently superior, or nativism, which is 25 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: favoring current inhabitants over new immigrants, And to be sure, 26 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: xenophobia goes hand in hand with both. It's sometimes hard 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: to tell them apart, but all of these root from mistrust, 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: moving into fear and hatred of people who are not 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: us or not from here, which of course raises all 30 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: sorts of questions like who exactly are we and who 31 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: is from here? It's a riddle that's especially pertinent in 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: the United States, which is a nation of immigrants and 33 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: is supposedly, if not always factually welcoming of them. It's 34 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: important to note, though, that xenophobia is alive and thriving 35 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: in many parts of the globe and has been forever. 36 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: But it's because of America's self billing as a haven 37 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: for immigrants that we have some splainin to do when 38 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: it comes to our deeply embedded history of xenophobia from 39 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: the very beginning. Many who came to America, even if 40 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: that immigrated only recently themselves, cast a squorely eye on newcomers, 41 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: a meaning those newcomers have battled discrimination and worse. A 42 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: German and Irish Catholics the mid eighteen hundreds were shunned 43 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: and even killed. Campaigns against them claimed that they couldn't 44 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: be good citizens because that only vote the way of 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: their priests. Through the eighteen hundreds, Chinese immigrants were said 46 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: to be cheap laborers taking away jobs from real Americans. 47 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: In the early nineteen hundreds, Italians were branded criminals. During 48 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: the Great Depression, twenty percent of Mexican Americans were deported, 49 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: more than half of whom were American citizens by birth. 50 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Japanese Americans were interned during World War II. Today, Muslim 51 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: and Middle Eastern Americans are branded terrorists. Many of these groups, 52 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: even long after they've woven themselves into the fabric of 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: American society, but after generations still grapple was xenophobia. Lee 54 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: explained that it's at the crux of a uniquely American dichotomy. 55 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: No other country has allowed more immigrants to settle and 56 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: more refugees of safe haven than America. Today, about twenty 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: eight percent of Americans are immigrants or US born children 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: of immigrants, some ninety million people. Yet no country has 59 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: deported more immigrants some fifty seven million since the late 60 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. Lisaid it points to a contradiction that is 61 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: as old as the United States. We have these very 62 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: conflicting notions about who an American could be. There were 63 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: very romantic proclamations that an American is someone who chooses 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: to be an American as long as you had it 65 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: in your heart to accept the ideals and the values 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: of the United States. Than we unlike countries that were 67 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: based on a monarchy or hereditary citizenship, but we had 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: this much more inclusive definition of American citizenship. And in 69 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: many ways that was true, but in many other ways 70 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: it was very narrow. For example, the first law about 71 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: naturalization was passed in seventeen ninety, and it was relatively open. 72 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: It said that quote any alien being a free white 73 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: person end quote could apply for citizenship as long as 74 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: they lived in the United States for at least two years. 75 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: But that law, of course excluded enslaved people from Africa, 76 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Native Americans, and others. Even when the US has taken 77 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: steps that would seem anti xenophobic. There have been stumbles 78 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: and pushbacks. For example, the Immigration Act of nineteen sixty 79 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: five overturned immigration quotas that were based on national origins. 80 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: Originally designed to favor immigrants from European countries, the law 81 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: paved the way for millions of legal immigrants from Latin 82 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: America and beyond, and for an increase in illegal immigration 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: as well, and all of that spurred some xenophobic reaction. 84 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: The nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute wrote about this in twenty 85 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: fifteen a quote. The law's proponents see it as a 86 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: historic success and assert that the estimated fifty nine million 87 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: immigrants who have come to the United States since its 88 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: passage as of twenty fifteen have made the younger, infused 89 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: it with diversity and talent, and generated prosperity and economic growth. 90 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Critics contend that high admission levels of diverse groups of 91 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: immigrants have created more competition for low skilled US workers 92 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: and shattered the country's cultural homogeneity. Lie said, the connection 93 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: with racism is really powerful, So what's wrong with racism? 94 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: It treats people unequally, it demonizes entire groups, is dangerous 95 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: and threatening. Either because they're racially different, or they practice 96 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: a different faith, or that they're just thought of as 97 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: inherently dangerous, and we treat them as a group rather 98 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: than treating them as individuals. On top of all of that, 99 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: our government is made up of people, and sometimes people 100 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: codify those ways of thinking into law. It's hardly the 101 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: self evident truth etched forever into the Declaration of Independence 102 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: that all men are created equal, but it's undeniable at 103 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: this point. America, again, like many other countries, has asenophobia problem. 104 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: It's deep rooted and insidious and it won't be cured 105 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: anytime soon. But that doesn't mean there's nothing we can do. 106 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: From our interactions and our daily lives to our voices 107 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: in the government, we can all fight against hate and discrimination. 108 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: The first step may come from within, learning to identify 109 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: hateful rhetoric wrapped in the guise of national pride or 110 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: personal gain, and to think critically about why people would 111 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: promote that hate and fear. What do they have to 112 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: gain from making you afraid of your neighbors instead of 113 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: talking about the systemic institutional problems that are making both 114 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 1: your and your neighbors lives harder. On a community level, 115 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you can provide practical support to the diverse cultures that 116 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: add so much to our lives by supporting the local 117 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: businesses like restaurants run by immigrants, and by supporting local 118 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: events from international artists like cultural festivals, theater concerts, and 119 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: film screenings. Online and in three dimensions, you can call 120 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: out hate speech and bigotry. Let the people you're acquainted 121 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: with know that dehumanizing stereotypes are never funny. On the 122 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: flip side, it can be better to not interact with 123 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: people online who you don't know, and sometimes feeding the 124 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: trolls can only further their spread on social media. Also, 125 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: if it's safe for you to do so, stand up 126 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: to real life bullies by calmly making your presence known, 127 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: asking the victim of the harassment if they'd like your support, 128 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and then, if so, de escalating the situation by remaining 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: calm and being attentive and empathetic while attempting to remove 130 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: people from the location or situation. Finally, vote in national 131 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: and local elections. Your vote is mutual aid. There are 132 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: lots of resources online for how to help fight hate 133 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: like xenophobia. The United Nations has a bunch of great material. 134 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: It's scary out there, but after all, we're all just 135 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: human people in this together. Today's episode is based on 136 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: the article why Zenophobia Thrives in Troubled Times on how 137 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Stuffworks dot Com, written by John Donovan. Brain Stuff is 138 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio in partnership with how Stuffworks 139 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: dot Com and is produced by Tyler Klang. 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