1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: doctor Paul Thomas with us Paul, So we're talking about 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: the vaccines. Should you should you not? It's a tough 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: call for a lot of parents. What do you recommend? Well, 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: I wrote a book, The Vaccine Friendly Plan, and so 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: I would recommend anybody that really wants to get a 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: lot of detail on the finer points of why you 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: might do one now, weight on others, etc. Read The 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Vaccine Friendly Plan. It's a complicated topic, right, and very emotional, 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: and exactly so I think it's important for your listeners 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: to understand there is no such thing as a completely 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: safe vaccine. It's a pharmaceutical product. When you inject it, 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: you're injecting anergens, but you're also injecting toxins, adge events 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: and things like that, and so there's a side effect 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: risk profile, and of course there's benefits as well. And 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: for some vaccines they're very effect even others are hardly 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: effective at all. And so it's always, in my opinion, 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: it should be an informed consent process where you are 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: given the risks and the benefits and then you really 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: give it some thought where it gets really tricky and 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: emotions run high. As take, for example, the measles situation. 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: So we have a measle's outbreak that's not as scary 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: as the media is drumming it up to be. Nevertheless, theoretically, 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: and it's not even theoretically, there is a death rate 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: from measles. So what is that death rate? The CDC 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: quotes one in a thousand. It's actually more like one 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: in ten thousand. How do I come up with that number? 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: Let's go back to nineteen fifty seven, the year I 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: was born. That's the cutoff year. You were born fifty 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: seven or earlier, you're immune. We all had measles at 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,919 Speaker 1: my age. Yeah, and so, and we're immune for life 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: after that. You probably need to be vaccinated to be immune. Well, 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: what was the death rate in the Unite estates before 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: we started vaccinating for measles? It was about four hundred 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: and fifty cases a year. Well, there was about three 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: and a half to four million births per year. That 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: works out because everybody got the measles absolutely. Oh my god, 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: I remember befoining to school. Everybody, I mean the whole 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: class got it. Yeah, everybody got the measles. So if 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: you have four hundred and fifty deaths out of four 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: million people, that's about one in ten thousand. That's the 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: same death rates we have for going under anesthesia. And 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: I think, you know, nobody freaks out about going to surgery. 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, of course it's scary and you could die, 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: and it's but it's at that level of scariness and 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to minimize it. If you've lost a 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: loved one to measles, it's horrific, of course it is. 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: But the flip side is there's also risks from the vaccines, 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: and what is that risk. Well, we don't really know 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: exactly what the death rates are because we have a 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: very poor system of tracking side effects from vaccine. And 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: it's very political, isn't it, Paul. Of course it's absolutely so. 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: There was a good study on seizures. A Danish study 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: of half a million kids found that one in six 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: hundred and forty kids would get seizures from the MMR. 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: Only one point six percent of those seizures were reported, 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: so to the VERIS system, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: and that's the problem. The side effects from vaccines are 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: horribly underreported. Now, right before we went on break, you 60 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: were asking me about autism and vaccines. And here's the thing. 61 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: You go to the CDC website and it says categorically 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: there is no link. However, CDC whistleblower William Thompson, he's 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: an MD. He was in charge of these study commissioned 64 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: by our government to study whether or not there was 65 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: a link between MMR and autism. They found a link. 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: They destroyed the data, but he kept it and became 67 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: the whistleblower to say actually there was a link, and 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: he regretted that they had not followed protocols, etc. Etc. 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: So we have that evidence that there was a link. 70 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: We recently, on full measure, Cheryl Atkinson just January sixth 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: of this year, exposed the fact that doctor Zimmerman, Andrew 72 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: Zimmerman was the star witness for the government on the 73 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: case of five hundred families who had autistic kids were 74 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: going to try to get compensation from vaccine court. And 75 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: he testified in the first case that he didn't see 76 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: a link between that child's vaccines and their autism. But 77 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: then he went to the DOJ, the Department of Justice 78 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: attorneys and said I have seen other cases where the 79 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 1: vaccines did cause autism. They fired him and just took 80 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: his quote out of context dismissed all five hundred cases. 81 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: So that's sort of the politics of this whole business. 82 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Now I'll tell you my own story. So I've been 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: a busy p attrition for thirty years. In two thousand 84 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: and four or five, six and seven, I was in 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: a big group pediatric practice in my own patient population. 86 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: I had a kid who was normal at one regrets 87 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: into severe autism by age two, so one a year 88 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: for four years. And the first time you see that 89 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: as a pediatrician, you go, oh, it's a coincidence, because 90 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: you're being taught there's no link between vaccines and anything. 91 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: Second time you see it's like, oh, two coincidences. And 92 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: by the fourth time I went to my partners, I said, 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: I cannot continue to do business as usual. I've been 94 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: learning too much about the problems of toxins and vaccines. 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: Too many vaccines too soon will cause developmental problems through 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: a process called immune activation. If you overactivate the immune 97 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: system in a very young infant, it causes developmental delay issues. 98 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: We know that aluminum and vaccines is neurotoxic and we 99 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: have aluminium and vaccines at levels that exceed the FDA limits. 100 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: So there's problems, right. So I start my own practice, 101 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I gather some data. I start having an incredible experience 102 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: which I outline in my book, The Vaccine Friendly Plan. 103 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: And so I have seen a huge reduction in autism 104 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: by vaccinating differently. And of course that's controversial, just to 105 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: throw that on the airways, but I say that because 106 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: it really when it comes to something as controversial as measles, 107 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: there is some value in having not some there's huge 108 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: value in having society largely protected. Well, why are we, Paul, 109 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: those fifty seven and earlier immune now from getting the 110 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: measles and kids nowadays aren't what happened. Well, when you 111 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: get a natural disease, the immune response is much more robust, 112 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: so you have lasting immunity and a much stronger immune response. 113 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: Now when you vaccinate the measles, vaccine in the MMR 114 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: is actually quite effective. When you get one MMR, it's 115 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: somewhere between ninety three and ninety five percent effective, and 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: if you take a booster when you're age four to six, 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: you can bump that rate up to about ninety eight 118 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: to ninety nine percent. We really only need about ninety 119 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: percent of the population protected to prevent measles cases from 120 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: sort of sweeping the community. So that concept of herd 121 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: immunity or community immunity, when you get up to above 122 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the population is vaccinated, that's good enough 123 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: to keep measles from taking hold. And in fact, even 124 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: in this large outbreak that's happened in my area, the 125 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: community is protected. I mean, if you saw the list 126 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: of all the places people have been, from the airport 127 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: to the major basketball stadium, to tons of offices and 128 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: Ikea and all these places, and nobody, not one person 129 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: has caught measles from all of those exposures. Why that's 130 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: because we have adequate level of protection within the community. 131 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: In fact, we know in this country that level is 132 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: so good in every state that they've declared measles has 133 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: been eradicated from the United States. Now, our measles as 134 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: bad as chicken pox or vice versa worse because chicken 135 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: pox we started that vaccine in nineteen ninety five, and 136 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: prior to the vaccine there were about fifty deaths per 137 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: year from chicken pox. So my kids all had chicken pox, 138 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, naturally, naturally. Yeah, And when we rolled that 139 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: vaccine out, it was actually justified on a financial basis, 140 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: not because you know, fifty deaths wasn't enough to justify 141 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: the cost, but they justified it by saying, you know, 142 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: think of all the parents not having to leave work 143 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: to care for sick kids. And so that's how we 144 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: justified that program. What's happened, however, is we now have 145 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: a hundred deaths per year from shingles, and shingles is 146 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: the same virus. It's the chicken pox virus that's been 147 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: just living in the roots of people who are either 148 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: vaccinated for chicken pox or had chicken pox naturally. And 149 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: the shingles story is just going to get worse and worse. 150 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: And here's why. Back when my kids had chicken pox, 151 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I was around them, and that acted as a booster 152 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: to my own immunity. Right, and you had chicken pox, 153 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure as a kid exactly, Okay, all had chicken pox. 154 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: And then when each each new wave of kids would 155 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: get chicken pox, our immunity would be boosted. And so 156 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: shingles was a very rare thing. Uh, you know back 157 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: can you can you get shingles now? You, Uh, sure, 158 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: I could, but I won't, and I'll tell you why. 159 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: I being a pediatrician, I still see cases of chicken pox, 160 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: so I am naturally being boosted. You know, at least 161 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: every year, I'm seeing a case or two of chicken pox. 162 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: So every time the viruses around you that boost your 163 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: own immunity exactly. But the general public is no longer 164 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: be exposed to chick pox because the vaccine has worked 165 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: quite well, so chicken pox is now rare. I mean 166 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: there's families I wish I could have a chicken pox party, 167 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and I'm telling them good luck because I literally see 168 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: just one or two cases a year, and I'm a 169 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: busy pediatrician. Whereas you know, back before the vaccine, you 170 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: saw chicken pox all the time. Well, what are the 171 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: biggest outbreaks of viruses right now? Polio's gone? Right? Oh sure, yeah, 172 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: Polio's eradicated from all the Americas, and you know the 173 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: big the big things that we still see are of course, influenza, 174 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, the flu, that vaccine is notoriously ineffective. 175 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: Every year, there's hundreds of thousands of respiratory specimens sent 176 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: into labs to test for the flu. And the on 177 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: average there's only sixteen percent are found to be the flu. 178 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: So when we doctors have severe cases of what we 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: think is the flu, in generally less than ten percent 180 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: it's actually influenza. And so you know, the whole, the 181 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: whole thing, I mean, CDC statistics will will lump influenza 182 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: and pneumonia and then they'll say, for example, I think 183 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: it was in two thousand and one, they said they 184 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: were like sixty two thousand people died of the flu. Well, no, 185 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: actually there were only it was mostly attributed to pneumonia 186 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: and there were only two hundred and fifty seven that 187 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: were flu, but only eighteen cases were actually positively identified 188 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: as flu. So you go from sixty two thousand being 189 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: reported as the death from the flu in reality, we 190 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: only know that it was eighteen. And this is just 191 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: something that's going on with their campaign to try to 192 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: get everybody to take a flu shot. That whole. That's 193 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: one of the least effective vaccines. But the other another 194 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: virus that's very hard for little children is RSV respiration 195 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: and sitial virus. It causes bronchiolitis, which is a wheezing pneumonia. 196 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: Those little babies can get really sick from that one. 197 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: And then there's a host of viruses what we call enteroviruses. 198 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Polio is an interovirus, but there are many, many others, 199 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: just as there are lots of different strains of the flu. 200 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 201 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to Coast 202 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: am dot com for more