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Speaker 1: So welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica

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Speaker 1: and I'm Nila and it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, we are in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we finally made it to New York and, as

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Speaker 3: you guys know, through heavy, heavy stalking, we have finally

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Speaker 3: secured Sean King and his wonderful wife Ray King. So

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on our show.

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Speaker 4: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: And it wasn't stalking. It was, at the very least,

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Speaker 5: it was pleasant stalking.

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Speaker 4: Unpleasant stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure y'all have if you guys want to, who

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Speaker 3: Sean King is. I don't know where you've been, but

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Speaker 3: he's a social activist, journalist, father Ray.

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Speaker 6: His wife is a diversity director, educator mother. I guess.

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Speaker 3: So we're just really excited that you guys came on.

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Speaker 3: Our community is pumped as fuck, so thank you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, as you guys know, our stocking skills have

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Speaker 7: really solid creeps.

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Speaker 6: It's straight creeps.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, persistence, persistence and consistency gets you where

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Speaker 7: you want to go. But honestly, you guys, we have

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Speaker 7: been discussing this for a long time and there was

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Speaker 7: like a manifestation. We talked about manifestation. Manifestation a lot

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Speaker 7: on our podcast, and as you guys know, we've we

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Speaker 7: started this thing just the two of us. We were

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Speaker 7: not really podcasters, and now we're here. And there was

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Speaker 7: one day She's like, did you know Seawan was following us?

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Speaker 7: I was like, seawanha, So Seawn King, I'm like, are

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Speaker 7: you sure? And so the stalking began. We discuss very

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Speaker 7: candidly our blackness, how much that affects us as mothers

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Speaker 7: and motherhood as women, and you know, as raising two

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Speaker 7: black daughters, black daughters, and so this is this is

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Speaker 7: very important to us.

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Speaker 1: This is very special to us.

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Speaker 7: We're really happy to have you here because we appreciate

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Speaker 7: your work that you do and how transparent you are,

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Speaker 7: because I feel like there's not a lot of people

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Speaker 7: doing what you do, and I commend you for that.

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Speaker 1: It's super necessary.

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Speaker 7: We're in a very strange time of blackness. To the

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Speaker 7: naked eye, it could seem like, oh, everything's becoming so

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Speaker 7: diverse and you know, blended, but that we all know

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Speaker 7: that that's not always true.

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Speaker 2: No, especially like I think you know, there are some

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Speaker 2: by which you could say, oh, look at all the

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Speaker 2: progress we've made. You know, we had a black president

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Speaker 2: and all these other kind of things. But what I see,

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Speaker 2: and especially in my diversity work, is we have an

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Speaker 2: unearthed like the deep stuff, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's the time we're in. Now

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Speaker 2: we're not asking for and you know, thankful for our

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Speaker 2: ancestors who who who did demand the water fountain access

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Speaker 2: and the school access and all those kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: But now we're we're digging deep in and saying, like,

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking about? What's in your mind? You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, where are your biases? And like

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Speaker 2: doing that work, it's unearthing some ugly stuff, you know,

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Speaker 2: and people.

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Speaker 7: Don't want to unearth the ugly stuff. But you can't

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Speaker 7: get to uh, you can't get to the end goal

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Speaker 7: without really discussing the route, yeah, which really fucking bothers me.

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Speaker 3: And the generational trauma of it all, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: and why we do the things we do and react

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Speaker 3: the way we react, you know, and unlearning things just

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Speaker 3: within our community yep, and as parents and as people

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Speaker 3: and trying not to pass those things on to our children.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I know you all are interviewing us, but now

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Speaker 2: you said something and I have a question for you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, like raising two black girls and talking

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Speaker 2: about unearthing the generational stuff and the trauma, like have

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Speaker 2: your girls come to you yet with the I want

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Speaker 2: the straight hair, and I want my skin to be

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Speaker 2: this color, not that, not that so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank God, we'll be I'm very I talk about how

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Speaker 3: beautiful my daughter's skin is since the day she came.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't even know she knew what I

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Speaker 3: But I've been about her her because my daughter's darker

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Speaker 6: Go even harder, you know.

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Speaker 3: And so no, my daughter definitely is proud of that.

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Speaker 3: But the long hair. And Sean and I were talking

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Speaker 5: Told him how you went to the to the black

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Speaker 6: Was so mad.

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Speaker 2: How is a target in the middle of Brooklyn not

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Speaker 2: selling any dolls of color?

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Speaker 4: Like it was crazy to me.

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Speaker 6: No, it's it's so important.

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Speaker 3: And we only buy our daughters black and brown dolls

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Speaker 3: because I was saying, like they have all their life

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Speaker 3: to have to see European beauty standards and be I

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Speaker 3: hope not but influenced by that. But I want to

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Speaker 3: set that foundation now where they see themselves and that's

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Speaker 3: what they consider beautiful, and they can consider everything else beautiful,

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Speaker 3: but I want them to look at themselves and be like,

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Speaker 3: oh no, yeah, this is what I aspired to be.

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Speaker 2: When I posted about it on Instagram, I had someone

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Speaker 2: send me a message and they were saying, you know, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know I'm not trying to be ignorant here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know it's coming right. Yeah, I'm not trying

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Speaker 4: to be ignorant here.

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Speaker 2: But why does it matter if they don't have any

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Speaker 2: black dolls? Was that a Was that a black person

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Speaker 2: of color? Or is that a white man? Okay, yeah

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Speaker 2: that was a white man. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: That was one of our first posts. Like, like that

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Speaker 7: was another thing. We live in the valley in LA

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Speaker 7: we both grew up under like being one of maybe

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Speaker 7: three black kids. We didn't we grew up in the

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Speaker 7: same place, but not as friends, but like elementary school,

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Speaker 7: junior high high school until I went I went to

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Speaker 7: Clark but that was mandatory for me. My parents, like

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Speaker 7: you have to go to HBCU because this is not it.

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Speaker 7: But I recognize how how delicate white feelings are, how oblivious.

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Speaker 1: White feelings are, and I know that I need to

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Speaker 1: work on it, but it enrages me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that white fragility.

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Speaker 6: Do you know that I love it?

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Speaker 2: Robin DiAngelo, I think, But yeah, But I told the

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Speaker 2: person like, Okay, you know what I'm indulging, you know,

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Speaker 2: and and let me just help you understand why it

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Speaker 4: Child and why that matters.

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Speaker 2: And having raised four daughters, now I can't escape the

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Speaker 2: I want my hair to look like this. And it's

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Speaker 2: like you talked about being intentional, and I always felt

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Speaker 2: like I was so intentional and raising them and still

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Speaker 2: like every child, every last one of them, comes up,

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Speaker 2: I have to read the same books, have the same conversations.

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Speaker 2: And it's because in part they can walk into Target

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Speaker 2: and not see any dolls that look like them, and

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Speaker 2: that means something that is telling them who matters, who's important,

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Speaker 2: who's beautiful, who's worth representing? Right, It doesn't come from nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's so important and I know, like Jamila, like,

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Speaker 3: our friends be thinking we're crazy. They're like, because I've

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Speaker 3: had a few friends and as has she buy.

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Speaker 6: Our daughter's white dolls. And I'm like take us by

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Speaker 6: And they're like, you're being extra. And I'm like, I'll.

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Speaker 5: Be extra because it takes me an extra because all

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Speaker 5: the pressure.

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Speaker 1: It's extra.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna happen. Inevitably, she's gonna go see him. I'm

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Speaker 6: never gonna not let her.

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Speaker 3: If she wants to go see the movie, I'm ana

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Speaker 3: let her see the movie, right, you know, But like also,

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Speaker 3: I just I want her first standard.

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Speaker 6: Of beauty to be herself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just as much as you know, the white kids

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Speaker 5: Get that privilege. See that stuff is on default for them,

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Speaker 5: you know exactly, from the princesses to the ads, to

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Speaker 5: the magazines. It's kind of defaults with that standard of beauty.

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Speaker 5: So we have to kind of operate outside.

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Speaker 2: Of the system, counteracting in From the beginning, I got

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Speaker 2: his mom. His mom is a little white lady from Kentucky, Okay,

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Speaker 2: rural Kentucky. And you know, when we had our first child,

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Speaker 2: almost eighteen years ago, now a daughter, you know, she

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Speaker 2: would do the white doll thing, but only for a

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Speaker 2: little bit until I had to explain to her, like,

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Speaker 2: I know what she looks like because our oldest daughter.

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Speaker 4: Kenny, is his same color.

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Speaker 2: But she's going to grow up and be black and

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Speaker 2: be considered black, and it's just important to me that,

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Speaker 2: you know, she she has images that reflect then, so

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Speaker 2: now his mom, she will show up to rural Kentucky

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Speaker 2: walmart and show all the way out she is the

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Speaker 2: can I see your manager about the dolls not being

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Speaker 2: on the shelf now right?

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Is indigenous.

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Speaker 5: There is kind of a scale of it, just it

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Speaker 5: just depends. So Malana is kind of in the middle there,

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Speaker 5: you know what.

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Speaker 7: I have to check myself though, because sometimes I can

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Speaker 7: get really short and I can get really irritated, and

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Speaker 7: irritation because they're not going to get it. But I realize,

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Speaker 7: if I, if I really so it's reluctantly, if I

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Speaker 7: really want my white friends to understand where I'm coming from,

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Speaker 7: I have to chill. And I have I mean I

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Speaker 7: shouldn't have to, but like just like that book, that

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Speaker 7: guy came scrolled like, came not minding his business, in

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Speaker 7: your DMS, asking really clear questions that you should probably

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Speaker 7: just step out of yourself for eight seconds and realize

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Speaker 7: it takes us to have these conversations.

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Speaker 6: It's a re education.

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Speaker 5: Well see, I asked people to question do you want

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Speaker 5: And sometimes sometimes you can be heard and be effective.

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Speaker 5: Like just last week, you all know, we were fighting

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Speaker 5: to save this man, Rodney Reid, who's on death row.

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Speaker 5: We made hundreds of thousands of phone calls, and I

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Speaker 5: give people instructions on how to make these calls. Yes,

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Speaker 5: and so I said, listen, I know you're angry, I

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Speaker 5: know you're irritated, but I promise you if you call

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Speaker 5: and you're anger and irritated, it just doesn't work. It

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean it's not true. But like if you are

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Speaker 5: if you're if you're nasty, if you have an attitude, like,

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Speaker 5: none of that stuff is effective in certain places. I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying there's not a place for it, but like

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Speaker 5: if you're actually trying to communicate a complicated truth that

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Speaker 5: somebody leaves with, sometimes there's a place for attitude with

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Speaker 5: that and sometimes not. And it just depends on what

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Speaker 5: your goal is, Like do you want somebody to just

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Speaker 5: kind of feel your frustration in the moment then catch

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Speaker 5: your attitude.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's immediately. They're not going to hear you.

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Speaker 3: It's going to go in and out the ear. It's

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Speaker 3: it's I really like, actually the other.

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Speaker 6: Day, it's so funny. Did I tell you about this?

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Speaker 5: I think?

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Speaker 3: So my dad has a friend who he's a white man,

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Speaker 6: I'm saying that word forever. I'm like, how the hell

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Speaker 3: And he was and I was, He's like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: It's changed so much. Such whyse but so shocking to

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Speaker 6: This don't look good for you. He looks like My

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Speaker 1: I said, Daddy, her dad's real Chill my dad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I was like and I'm look, I don't want

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Speaker 5: Too comfortable now, I know what that is. What it

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Speaker 4: But like I wonder if that's changing.

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Speaker 2: Like when I'm in schools now, particularly the middle schools

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Speaker 6: They don't take offense.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely, I was in I was in the line

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Speaker 7: I just especially where we're from in the La the Valley.

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Speaker 7: So like they use the term blackfishing perplexed. So like, okay,

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Speaker 7: So now we're in I mean, and we've always been

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, like your grandmother's grandmother was not, you know

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Speaker 2: They can't relate to that, like it feels like such

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Speaker 1: The everybuke it. I don't agree, No, I get it.

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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, for me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, I was.

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Speaker 7: In lying at Crave and some like Latino guys behind

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Speaker 7: And I was like, okay, I guess I guess my

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't even let Sean use it right Well, I'm like,

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Speaker 5: So you said you have beef with Drake, you have

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Speaker 5: I think what you were saying is it's like I

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Speaker 7: I'm on the fence about like wait, when can't you

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Speaker 7: Do you think that we as black people should not

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: No, I use it.

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Speaker 6: I mean I just do.

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Speaker 2: I grew up using it. I still use it sometimes.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't identify as black.

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Speaker 2: Nigga, nobody's black and Sean on the inside, right and

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Speaker 2: so fine, But he doesn't. It's not like he uses it,

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Speaker 2: and I'd be like, what'd you say? Like he doesn't right,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Say that I've ever see when we were growing up. See,

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Speaker 5: No, okay, we're almost.

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Speaker 6: Almost did you did you grow up mostly amongst I.

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Speaker 1: And experiencing it outside of the household.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, So we I mean, it was a

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Speaker 2: And your mom grew up in us to you know,

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Speaker 2: So why your mom wasn't talking about and racism like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she wasn't saying so much. I don't see color.

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Speaker 5: As much as she taught me about fairness, she taught

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Speaker 6: Do you have siblings.

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Speaker 5: I have an older brother who just passed away last

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Speaker 5: was a was a big deal.

443
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Speaker 6: Of course I could only imagine just not in your household.

444
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just just like an elephant outside

445
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: of the house.

446
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that My mother was aware it existed, but

447
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 5: there was very little she could do to prepare prepare

448
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 5: me for what was out there in the world. And

449
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 5: so I think you, I think there's going to be

450
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Speaker 5: a generation of particularly white mothers raising black children who

451
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously there's a whole litany of issues that

452
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 5: come out of that, but one of the things is

453
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: just the struggle to prepare that child for the world

454
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Speaker 5: that they're going into.

455
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Speaker 7: You know, right, I have so much to say, Well,

456
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Speaker 7: A I think I want you guys, have you guys

457
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Speaker 7: have kids?

458
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: You guys have how many kids five kids.

459
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 7: Obviously, like you said, in the black community, especially in

460
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 7: the work that you do, that's something like these conversations

461
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 7: are constantly coming up, and like I think, just being

462
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 7: black periods especially, you know, there's things.

463
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: That you inevitably learn.

464
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 7: You know, maybe you don't walk outside at night with

465
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 7: a hood on, maybe you don't drive with a fitted

466
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 7: cap on. And then so when, especially in La, interracial

467
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 7: dating is huge, and I'm not saying anything's wrong with it.

468
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 7: You know, love people, love who you love. But when

469
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 7: you have white parents raising non white children, Black children

470
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Speaker 7: in particular, and you're raising them to think there is

471
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Speaker 7: no color and you're a mixed boy or you're a

472
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 7: mixed girl, that's just.

473
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's such a disservice, you.

474
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Speaker 7: Know what I mean, because you're going to go out

475
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 7: into the real world and be ef and shocked, you know.

476
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: Like, well, white people often think their whiteness is going

477
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: to protect those children, right, and so.

478
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 4: Their proximity to whiteness means.

479
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Speaker 2: Like you're, Okay, I have a friend and her father

480
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: lives in like rural Texas or whatever, but he has

481
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Speaker 2: a black grandson who was adopted. Now father is like

482
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: a Trump supporter loves Fox News or whatever. And my

483
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: girlfriend is always like, but what about your black grandson, right,

484
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: And he's just and she's just like, you know, what

485
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: are you gonna do when he comes to visit you

486
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: and you know he's in your neighborhood and somebody stops

487
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: him or looks at him different, like Trayvon Martin and

488
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: he and so the father's just like, oh, well, you know,

489
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: I know everybody.

490
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: I'll just go.

491
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: Tell them, you know, beforehand, like, hey, this is my grandson,

492
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: you know. And she's just like, do you hear yourself

493
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: right now? Like that you even have to go through that,

494
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: doesn't that tell you something that that is what's required

495
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: in order for your black grandson to be safe in

496
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Speaker 2: your own neighborhood.

497
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's how I would compare it, Like it wasn't

498
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 5: until until we got married, and then even when our

499
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: daughters got older. Men men, for instance, have very little

500
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 5: understanding of what women deal with day to day to

501
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 5: day like I because I literally never expec experience the

502
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: harassment or here in New York, the cat calling, like

503
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 5: women don't do that to men in New York. I've

504
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: never experienced it. And so it wasn't until my wife

505
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: and kids would come home, My wife and teenage daughters

506
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: would come home and say this happened or that happened,

507
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: that I started to understand it. And so what you get

508
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: is a relatively good natured white man who has again

509
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: like the equivalent of like a first grade IQ on

510
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 5: things of race, Like they literally don't understand it in

511
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 5: the same way that it's taken me being deliberate to understand, like,

512
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 5: oh shit, this is what women deal with, you know,

513
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 5: eighteen hours a day. Like I told this story before

514
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 5: that this was a solo Dad O'Brien was the lead

515
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: anchor on CNN in the morning, and I went in

516
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 5: to the studios I think I was here in New

517
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 5: York to the studios to see her, and she explained

518
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 5: this is like was a the height of her career

519
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 5: at CNN, And she told me that to that very day,

520
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 5: when she wanted a story to get approved by her bosses,

521
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 5: that she would ask some of her white male friends

522
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 5: to pitch the story as if it was their idea.

523
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 5: And I had a thought, like, holy shit, this is

524
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 5: Soladad O'Brien. She had won all the awards, she was

525
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: the lead anchor in the morning show, and she told me,

526
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 5: she said it was equal parts because she was a

527
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 5: woman at CNN and all the decision makers were men,

528
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 5: and because she was a black woman at CNN, and

529
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 5: like this notion that there are just levels and layers

530
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 5: of sexism in society. Men don't understand it. And that's

531
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 5: helped me communicate to other people like, hey, this is

532
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: also what white folk are dealing with that when they

533
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: make a comment on Instagram like Hey, I'm sure I'm

534
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: being ignorant, but can you explain this to me? It

535
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 5: is no. They are literally ignorant to it. So the

536
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 5: question comes like who's going to educate them? And is

537
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: that our responsibility? And if not, whose responsibility is it?

538
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 5: You know? Right?

539
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: No, and and and that's even with going back to

540
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: my my dad's friend and my other friend being so upset.

541
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: I was like, I know you're upset, but let's use

542
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: this as an opportunity.

543
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 6: Is open to learning. He wants to learn.

544
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: He's apologetic, and he wants to know how he can

545
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: fix it, you know, And that's all you can hope for, honestly,

546
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: I mean, because nine times out of ten, it's like, right,

547
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: like you this is what I don't get. I didn't

548
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: do nothing wrong, yeah, you know, so unfortunately, I mean, yeah,

549
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate I have to appreciate the fact that he

550
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: wants to learn that I mean, and that that in

551
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: itself is you know, a little sad.

552
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: But it's such a little bar that's right, right, but like, but.

553
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 6: That's where we're at. That's where we're at. So I

554
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 6: don't know, well.

555
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: We we got.

556
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 7: We got really into our conversation early. We usually play

557
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 7: a game with our guests to get to know them,

558
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 7: but we've obviously done some of research, so we like

559
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 7: got ahead of ourselves. We play a game called Trigger,

560
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 7: and the game is we'll say a word and you

561
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 7: just say like your first instant response, and it's just

562
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 7: called trigger.

563
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So I think since you're both here, I think

564
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: we're going to just bounce back and forth. So Shan answers,

565
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: you answer, and.

566
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: This is trigger. Okay, Okay, Okay, hold on, are.

567
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: We answering the same question.

568
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Then comes to mind first?

569
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 6: Okay?

570
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: And Dan, you'll say one to me. Okay, got it?

571
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'll start with Sean love, hate, marriage, hard, purpose,

572
00:28:51,040 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: this life, college, spillman, expensive, still hanging.

573
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: Black women love pet peeve lying favorite food?

574
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: Uh, cookies, I mean I got I gotten really into

575
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: a certain type of cookie that we have there, Tats

576
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 5: tates cookies that I love. Uh.

577
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: United States crazy pregnancy.

578
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: Oh that's that's tricky. I'm not a one word guy,

579
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 5: so it's hard for me to put one word on anything. Uh,

580
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: they were, they were hard, but they were beautiful.

581
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 6: I said, beautiful, Reality TV.

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: Stupid, worst.

583
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 6: Worst habit?

584
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 5: Oh wow, you see this is hard for me. Deep.

585
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

586
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Worst habit? Oh wow. Uh Ray, you could

587
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 5: probably answer that on me better than I can answer.

588
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: For Oh, that's right. We did discuss today. How not

589
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: self aware?

590
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: You are?

591
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 7: Right?

592
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

593
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the worst habit?

594
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 5: I don't know all my cars? My cars stay junkie, Yeah,

595
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 5: super junky.

596
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: Welcome to Jamila, Best memory, Jamaica, Kim.

597
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 6: Kardashian trying, She's trying, parenthood.

598
00:30:50,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: Tricky, sex, good, I like it, Instagram fun, equality goal,

599
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: Boxers of Briefs, briefs on him. Yeah, Amanda Seals, I

600
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: got words.

601
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you handle as judgmental white women.

602
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: Oh, how do I say this?

603
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 6: Problematic cannabis?

604
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 5: Uh? The first thing that cross my mind is we

605
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 5: just wek.

606
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: We drink of choice, newbie.

607
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: Alcoholic, Like, yeah, I'm a ready sours.

608
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: No, what what is it called?

609
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 6: Aperol sour?

610
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

611
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: Operall spreads to me.

612
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: No, No, that's what most people think. No, I like

613
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: an apperall sour.

614
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: In your opinion of it for someone din't like to drink.

615
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Favorite music genre hip hop, favorite rapper nas, Black Lives Matter.

616
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, it's a baby baby.

617
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: Childhood jump rope Rodney Reid mm hmm. Just think justice,

618
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 6: biggest regret.

619
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 4: Oh, taking over Sean's Twitter account.

620
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 5: It sounded that's great.

621
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 6: Trump asshole, Biden, God give up? Yeah, Warren Smart, Sanders cool, Kamala, Oh,

622
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 6: I wish.

623
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 5: Somebody would wish you had gotten this one.

624
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 6: You can answer from.

625
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: Senator I think Senator Rihanna.

626
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: Smells great.

627
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: You know what everyone says that it's a thing.

628
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: It is a thing, and I didn't know that. When

629
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: we went to the Diamond Ball. My teenagers were like,

630
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: did she smell good? And I was like, what are

631
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: you talking about?

632
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: They're like, MoMA's the whole thing, and I was like,

633
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: she smelled really good.

634
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 6: She wouldn't come out with a new line of sense.

635
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: L G.

636
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 6: B t Q plus Oh just equality. Favorite movie?

637
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: Oh, John should have gotten it one.

638
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: I hate movies, but I'm gonna go I like boys

639
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: in the hood, Tupac or Biggie.

640
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: Biggie what, Yeah, I like them both. I like them both,

641
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 5: but I'm more of a biggie guy.

642
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 6: Religion.

643
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 4: Can I repeat a word?

644
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 5: Or sure? Ye?

645
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: Ablematic?

646
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 6: Jay Z or Nash.

647
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: Jay Z?

648
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 6: Damn y'all are still married?

649
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: Yeah? I thought I thought jay won the battle. Now

650
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: I've been a little frustrated with jay Z lately, but

651
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 5: hip hop I would pick jay Z.

652
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Are you frustrated because it's NFL decisions?

653
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm frustrated with a lot of those NFL decisions.

654
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: Outside of that, I don't have a whole lot of complaints.

655
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: But Trump or Bush Bush for sure.

656
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: Monogamy, Oh, faith and just faithfulness is what comes to mind.

657
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: Colorism, Oh, colorism m.

658
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 6: Hm, outdated black men?

659
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. I'm just trying to sum it up in

660
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 5: one word. I'm going to say hard working, but I know, yeah, hardworking.

661
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: Single mom, respect, New York, crowded, l a.

662
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 6: Fake, it's all the ones that aren't from there. I

663
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 6: swear Kaepernick courageous. Worst decision.

664
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: Oh man, worst decision, Lord, We've made so many of them.

665
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: Most of the worst decisions.

666
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 4: I made one to live with my worst decisions.

667
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe your word is shown.

668
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I wouldn't say that we turned out

669
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: all right.

670
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: Worst decision.

671
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: I would say that time we moved to Kentucky for

672
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: a few months, that was.

673
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 5: A really yeah, that was a horrible Well, our.

674
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: Grandparents had just passed away, so we were in our

675
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: feelings like we had not lived at home since we

676
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: left for college. And I think we were just like nostalgic.

677
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: And it lasted for a few months and then we're like,

678
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: we live from Kentucky.

679
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 5: We went from Kentucky.

680
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: To New York.

681
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 6: Insecurity.

682
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, I'm terrible at this. Hard. It's hard insecurity.

683
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 5: It's a process.

684
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: Gary Webb, I don't know who that is. You know

685
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 6: who that is.

686
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: It's a journalist.

687
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, why is he talking bad about us?

688
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: We know him.

689
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Write this down. No, actually that they made him. They

690
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: made a movie about him.

691
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 5: I watched it, but you didn't watch it.

692
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: Did he get killed?

693
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 6: Yeeah?

694
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 7: Okay he he Allegedly he was one of the big

695
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 7: reporters that outed Reagan for basically inventing the war on

696
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 7: drugs imber and and conveniently, seven years after he was

697
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 7: he stepped down from his uh the editor or whatever

698
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 7: as as a writer. He was he's committed suicide by

699
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 7: gunshot twice, which is twice in the head.

700
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: Impossible.

701
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's very weird.

702
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: No. I love Gary Webb though. Yeah. It was a

703
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: courageous journalist, great journalist.

704
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: You knew him.

705
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: No, No, this love is work.

706
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, god it was yours real.

707
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: Fear, useful, freedom, hard, it's hard earned and that's it.

708
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, can I fix something?

709
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to fix l A.

710
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't mean to say that, girl, you.

711
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Ain't the first one.

712
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 5: It's cool.

713
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: We lived in California for about three years in Orange County,

714
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: and I would say like I thought that people were

715
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: so nice and like really polite.

716
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: But I did, I really did.

717
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 7: I felt like everybody was yeah, and then they'll talk

718
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 7: ship when you walk off the room, right.

719
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Or just like we should get together, but they don't

720
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: mean yeah, that's like that's what I'm referring to.

721
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 7: Those are there's a lot of transplants, and it is

722
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 7: very fake. It's I mean ship, it's we're I mean

723
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 7: not where we come from. But like you know, the Kardashians, Calabasas,

724
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 7: It's very like.

725
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: It's just I think people moved to La with this

726
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: idea of what Holly, what it's supposed to be, and

727
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: then they act a certain way and I'm like.

728
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 5: What is this?

729
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: I guess this is this.

730
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: Is what Hollywood looks like. Yeah, that's my favorite interaction.

731
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 7: I mean and interpretation. Oh wow, those are triggers. Brought

732
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 7: up so many questions. Now we only have so much time,

733
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 7: and anything you want to touch on, go ahead, Amanda.

734
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, okay, let's be real. This whole Rodney

735
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 7: read which big ups to you. That was an amazing

736
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 7: outcome that he I was really nervous. I was just like,

737
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 7: I was like, please God, please God, let this man.

738
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 7: Let these people have a soul and and and do

739
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 7: the right thing.

740
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 4: It went so long with nobody saying anything.

741
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 7: I was like on Instagram, like listen here, sir, at

742
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 7: the very tonight and look into your soul.

743
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 5: See. The thing is the governor was the attorney general

744
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: for years before he became governor, and so he was

745
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: a prosecutor, an attorney attorney general and became governor. So

746
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: he understands the power of holding those cards very close

747
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 5: to your chest. He gave no clues, no indications, Like

748
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 5: we even had people on the back end that were

749
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 5: can He said nothing to nobody, and we were told

750
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: he never made a decision. Actually, so even though Rodney

751
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: Reeve's execution was stopped, it wasn't because the governor signed it.

752
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 5: The courts intervened. And I actually have known Amanda off

753
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: and on for several years. I showed I showed raise

754
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 5: some tweets where she had posted several years ago where

755
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 5: she thought I should win a Pulitzer Prize. And my

756
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 5: beef was not so much with her. Like her stick

757
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 5: is she flips on the camera and gives her thoughts

758
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 5: on something. It just so happened that the thing she

759
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: flipped her camera on to talk about had major consequences.

760
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 5: This is a man who was still on depth role.

761
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: And I got the impression that she had searched Twitter

762
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: and Google for maybe thirty or forty minutes and saw

763
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: some bs and then film her video. And there were

764
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: lots of horrible inaccuracies in the video. And my major

765
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: beef with it was that when her video went viral

766
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: for a lot of people. It was their first time

767
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: hearing these things she was sharing about Rodney Reid, and

768
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 5: they just weren't true. And it's actually dangerous for Rodney Reed.

769
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 5: So I get her wanting to share her views. But

770
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 5: if the governor and the other people who make decisions

771
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: about Rodney Reid, if they really get the impression that

772
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 5: millions of people don't give a shit if he lives

773
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: or dies, it changes the burden on them. And in

774
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 5: just kind of a fun nine minute video, she caused

775
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 5: a lot of people to say, Oh, I don't really

776
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: care anymore.

777
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 6: Right, he doesn't deserve Yeah, And here's the intention.

778
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: And it was just just the level of misinformation, right,

779
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: So like you're gonna ask questions and pose things and

780
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: introduce all this doubt in there, you know, don't say

781
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: things like he killed somebody who is literally still alive.

782
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

783
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: And then other people after that were saying, well, Sean,

784
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: you never disclosed this when literally on his Instagram he

785
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: addressed it several times, showing clips of doctor Phil talking

786
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: about it, showing clips of the woman's friend talking about it,

787
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: so to act like, you know, he was hiding this

788
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: information because him alone, right, come on, like, are you serious.

789
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 5: Here's the thing. The Innocence Project has had Rodney's case

790
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 5: for eighteen years. They have more integrity, more decency. Almost

791
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 5: ninety five percent of the cases that try to get

792
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 5: covered by the Innocence Project they decline. They are putting

793
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 5: their full weight behind Rodney's case. And so there are

794
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 5: these open accusations against Rodney that they refuse to prosecute

795
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: him for. And doctor Phil kind of brashly confronted Rodney

796
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: on all of those things that Rodney said to doctor Phil.

797
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: What his attorneys say, like, please take me to court

798
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 5: on any of these So what the prosecutors like to do.

799
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: They like these allegations to just float around and create

800
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: a negative impression, but they won't actually charge or try

801
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: him with it. And what people say that's just complete

802
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: misinformation is that once you're in jail or once you're

803
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 5: on death row, that you never go to court for

804
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: anything else. It's not true. I literally talked to legal

805
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 5: experts who said three or four hundred people a day

806
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: across the country are pulled out of jail for other

807
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 5: crimes and go back to court. And so it happens

808
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: all the time. Rodney is saying, please take me to

809
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: court on each of these, please show us the rape kits,

810
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 5: release this evidence. And the prosecutors and police have said

811
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: that they've lost most of the evidence, that it has

812
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 5: been destroyed, and so all that happens now is they

813
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: just weaponize it to cause him harm, and it does

814
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: cause him harm. It causes people to say, like, I

815
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: don't know, and in this case, anybody who looks at

816
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: this case has real doubt. But then you float this

817
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 5: other randomness out there that he's never been convicted of.

818
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 5: It just causes a lot of doubt. And I think

819
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: what hurt me most about what she said is that

820
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 5: it really bothered Rodney Reed's family, who is stressed beyond measure.

821
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 5: This is not. This for them is not a trending topic.

822
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: This is not but it has been. Yeah, we know

823
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: his mother, Sondra, this is her son, right, this is

824
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: somebody you know. We're connected here at this table in

825
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 5: part because we're parents. And I had the thought and

826
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 5: not to like pull the parent card. I saw a

827
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: lot of people talk about Rodney Reid, and I could

828
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: tell the difference between who had kids and who didn't.

829
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 5: And I found a lot of people talking real flippantly

830
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 5: about him that didn't have kids, and I still even

831
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 5: though he Rodney read is older than me, having met

832
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 5: his mother, this is her baby. And well, listen.

833
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: I have things to say you and got me with

834
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 4: this wine, which on purpose.

835
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: Of our podcast was let's make us feel comfortable.

836
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: I have to say some things.

837
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be crazy, but I do to Sean's

838
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: point about people who have children and who don't, I've

839
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: often felt that way, even about people who had spouses

840
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: and who didn't, and and the way that they could

841
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: talk about Sean and say things about him and then

842
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: not expect me to respond or come to his defense

843
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: or even my own defense and say, you know, oh,

844
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: she's fighting his battles. It's like you don't understand what

845
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: it's like to have a spouse, my husband right for real,

846
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: and like a husband that I've been with.

847
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: Since I was fifteen years old.

848
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: So I've seen every you know, iteration of this man,

849
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: know the ins and outs, and so like, what do

850
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: you expect? Really like, I'm just gonna keep allowing you to.

851
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: To say all these things.

852
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: And then the minute that I enter into the fray,

853
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know he's letting me fight

854
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: his battles, Like, no, it doesn't work like that.

855
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: They're our back, right, I mean, I mean it's fortunately

856
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 3: and unfortunately we live in a world of social media

857
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: that can be used for good, like you've used it.

858
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: But also there's these people that become and I don't

859
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: want to say like insta activists, but like people that

860
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: and and there's good behind it because they're becoming more

861
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: socially aware, they're educating themselves. They're not always educating themselves

862
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: in the proper way, but they have these platforms like

863
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: Amanda where she can she can go off and people

864
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: because they trust her because you know, she is a

865
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: black woman in a familiar face that and she's also

866
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: she's she's incredible woman in many ways, and so they

867
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: trust her. So when so when they hear something like

868
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: this and then she has her following, it's it's a

869
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 3: it's a slippery slow.

870
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: Right, it gets tricky, right, Like you don't know who

871
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: to believe, Right, you have these people out here that

872
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: you trust, you follow them, You believe what they have

873
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: to say about Black lives matter, You believe what Amanda

874
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 2: has to say about black women and how we rock

875
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: and all those kinds of things, and so it makes

876
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: it really tricky when they when they say these other things,

877
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, you know what I'm saying, Like they're

878
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: not like just outright trolls, you know what I'm saying

879
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: that you can dismiss so easily.

880
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 7: I just feel like when you have a platform, whether

881
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 7: you be a comedian or a rapper or you know,

882
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 7: whatever you do, especially as black people, there's a responsibility

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Speaker 7: to do some research. I mean, I feel like even

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Speaker 7: with Kanye, you know, he makes great music, that's great, but.

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Speaker 1: Then you go sit down with Trump and you wear

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Speaker 1: this dumb ass hat.

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Speaker 6: Then I have to question if.

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Speaker 7: I like your music right because you're playing in a

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Speaker 7: field that you don't need to play in.

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Speaker 6: You need to have a seat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: There was no real like that whole thing, there was

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Speaker 7: no real angle. Just to be annoying.

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Speaker 2: I keep waiting for one, like don't you keep like

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Speaker 2: I'm just it's it's a secret meeting that's going to

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Speaker 2: help us.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna help us do something right better.

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Speaker 5: I actually like to really break it down. I think

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Speaker 5: you know, Obama was caught on on audio calling Kanye

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Speaker 5: a jackass. This is when he went Obama was Obama

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Speaker 5: was still president and they canceled. Also, there was something

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Speaker 5: that Kanye was going to perform at that they ended

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Speaker 5: up not doing. I honestly think that it just mattered

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Speaker 5: to Kanye that he got a little bit of love

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Speaker 5: and attention from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: You think it was that something?

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely, it was. I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think. I think.

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Speaker 7: I mean, people said it was like a publicity stunt.

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Speaker 7: And I hate to use that word because that like,

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Speaker 7: you're Kanye West. Do you really need to have a

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Speaker 7: publicity sign? How about just keep delivering good music, nigga.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's so detrimental.

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Speaker 7: I think it's so detrimental when we have a president

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Speaker 7: that's literally like endorsing concentration camps and babies are being

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Speaker 7: murdered and taken and separated from their families, and then

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Speaker 7: you go and wear his hat and go sit down

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Speaker 7: and have a meeting.

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Speaker 1: I don't I can't endorse that.

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Speaker 7: I can't endor it's hard for me to like your

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Speaker 7: music now because you're endorsing something you don't really even

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Speaker 7: know why you're endorsing it. It doesn't support people that

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Speaker 7: look like you and the struggle and I that's the issue,

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Speaker 7: and even like with Amanda and wait and then also

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Speaker 7: you have children, and then you have children black children,

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Speaker 7: and I think you know, like I know, there was

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Speaker 7: a comment recently about you telling saying about Kim like

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Speaker 7: she likes being on camera.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think there was anything wrong with that comment.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a little made.

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