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Speaker 1: Of course, one of the big stories both here and

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Speaker 1: nationally is the death of a Jewish man. He was

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Speaker 1: at a demonstration in Thousand Oaks. Apparently they were on

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Speaker 1: different sides of the street, those who were pro Palestinian

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Speaker 1: and those who were pro Israel. Apparently one of the

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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian demonstrators came across the street and had a

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Speaker 1: confrontation with sixty nine year old Paul Kessler, and Kessler

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Speaker 1: eventually fell back and hit his head. Today at a

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Speaker 1: press conference, we didn't get a lot cleared up. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they do believe that the head injury was the cause

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Speaker 1: of mister Kessler's death, but there's a lot of other

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Speaker 1: things in dispute. The other person is only being described

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Speaker 1: as a fifty year old man from Moore Park. They

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Speaker 1: have not named him, they have not arrested him. And

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Speaker 1: what we learned today from the Ventura County Sheriff Jim

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Speaker 1: Fryhoff is that there are conflicting accounts and they're still

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Speaker 1: sorting through this.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk now with Jonathan Oswalks. He first

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Speaker 2: met the victim, Paul Kessler, a week ago before the incident,

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Speaker 2: and they had both gone to observe another pro Palestinian protest,

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Speaker 2: and they got together again the next week at this

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Speaker 2: intersection in Thousand Oaks, and they met Sunday at about

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Speaker 2: two o'clock, and he'll tell us the story of what happened.

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Speaker 2: Are you there, Jonathan Oswoks, Yes, well, thanks for taking

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Speaker 2: time to come on the show. So you met with

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Speaker 2: Paul Kessler just a week before. How did you make

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Speaker 2: his acquaintance. First of all, thanks for having me. I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to tell the story of how and what we

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Speaker 2: were up to together. I met Paul through the social

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Speaker 2: media app next Door. We both live in the same

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Speaker 2: neighborhood basically, and I had noticed an uprising in social

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Speaker 2: media where there was a lot of antisemitic rhetoric being

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Speaker 2: clustered all over social media. There were protests and counter

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Speaker 2: protests not only in the United States but throughout the world.

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Speaker 2: You've seen this yourself.

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Speaker 4: I took to the next Star app and I said,

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Speaker 4: this can't this can't happen in our community at there's

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Speaker 4: a large Jewish population here. We have to go out

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Speaker 4: and show our support for the fourteen hundred victims that

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Speaker 4: were viciously, brutally and nighacally.

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Speaker 3: Killed.

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Speaker 4: Animals don't even kill the way Hamas killed these people,

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Speaker 4: taking babies and putting them in ovens, cutting a baby

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Speaker 4: out of a mother's womb. And I felt very strongly

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Speaker 4: about this and wanted to be there to stand on

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Speaker 4: the shoulders of these giants that came before us, the

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Speaker 4: six million, one thousand, four hundred victims, and now one

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Speaker 4: four hundred and one. Paul Kessler, So we met on

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Speaker 4: next door. He was He was one of those guys

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Speaker 4: I would say, if he was in for a penny,

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Speaker 4: he was in for a pound. And I never met

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Speaker 4: him before. I had no idea what he looked like.

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Speaker 4: But when I first met him a week ago Sunday

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Speaker 4: this past I was actually kind of impressed with his

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Speaker 4: attitude and his He had a lot of spunk and moxie.

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Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't a very big person from a

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Speaker 4: looked like David from the fable David and Goliath and

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Speaker 4: and I. We spent some time together that Sunday. We

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Speaker 4: walked through the crowd. They harassed us. We had asked

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Speaker 4: them back a little bit. Uh, And it was all

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Speaker 4: fun and games really until somebody pulled a.

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Speaker 3: Gun on me.

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Speaker 4: We shouldn't say, yeah, yeah, it actually flashed a gun.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that, physically pulled it out and waved

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Speaker 4: it at me, pulled up his sweatshirt to show me

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Speaker 4: that he had a gun under there. And I was

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Speaker 2: But were you face to face arguing with the pro Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: The week before?

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Speaker 1: The week before?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when somebody pushed you off the curb and flashed

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Speaker 2: a gun? Was was that a really close contentious exchange?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Come on, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so you decide to come back again this

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Speaker 2: past well wait, wait a.

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Speaker 3: Minute, though.

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Speaker 4: After the gun was flashed, uh, nine to one one

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Speaker 4: was called and the police came out. The Venture County

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Speaker 4: sheriffs absolutely nothing. Who flashed the gun at you? I

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Speaker 4: got a picture this guy right here, Well where is he?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, that's your job, And I said, and

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Speaker 4: by the way, sheriff, how this works is they're on

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Speaker 4: four corners. On this corner. Maybe his hood is up

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Speaker 4: corner here, maybe his mask is up on this corner.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: So there's like, what like sixteen permutations of what kind

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Speaker 4: of change a person can makes. What shirt on, swet

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Speaker 4: shirt off, what up?

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Speaker 3: Put down? Mask on, mask off? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what that's what they were doing. They

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Speaker 2: were changing their luck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was they would rotate from station to station,

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Speaker 4: a station being a corner. Some of them would actually

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Speaker 4: change their appearance slightly by doing that. So what happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What so what happened next?

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Speaker 4: So the sheriff was trying to tell, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Sheriff's arrived. There's probably four or five of their SUVs

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Speaker 4: that Sunday, and they're like, well, which one is he?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, here, this one in the picture, Well,

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Speaker 4: where is I don't know where? It's your job to

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Speaker 4: find him. Well, you know, if you can't point him

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Speaker 4: out to us, I'm like, look, the guy pulled a

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Speaker 4: gun on me. You line them up all against the wall, all.

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Speaker 3: You there?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess his phone connection went down.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can take a break and recon because we

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Speaker 1: didn't get to Sunday that was the week before he's describing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with a guy flashed his gun. Right, we're talking to

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Speaker 1: a man by the name of Jonathan Oswacks. He's sixty

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Speaker 1: nine years old. He said that he met mister Kessler,

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Speaker 1: the man that died in the altercation on Sunday in

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Speaker 1: Thousand Oaks, Paul Kessler, and they met up that Sunday's

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Speaker 1: demonstration where he had pro Palestinians on one side the

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Speaker 1: he can tell us what he saw as one of

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Speaker 1: the witnesses as to what may have happened to Paul Kessler,

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Speaker 1: who eventually hit his head and did not recover from

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Speaker 1: his injuries. That's next. Johnny Ken CAFI AIM six forty

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Speaker 2: We continue with Jonathan Oswax. He was with the victim

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Speaker 2: from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul Kesler died as you probably know by now

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Speaker 1: a demonstration on both sides of the Israeli Palestinian question

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Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks. Kesler apparently was approached by a Palestinian

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Speaker 1: protester and he felt hit his head. He did not

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Speaker 1: recover from those injuries. So this is a big story

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Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out sheriff officials in Ventura

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Speaker 1: County that's exactly what happened. There's a fifty year old

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Speaker 1: man that apparently had the encounter with Kessler, but he

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Speaker 1: has not been arrested. He lives in Moore Park. So

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Speaker 1: we'll bring on Jonathan who was there and did just

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Speaker 1: of the week before Meetler.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, if we can, just because we have we have

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Speaker 2: a time limit. We went through you and Paul Kessler

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Speaker 2: protesting and having a scuffle with the pro Palestinians the

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Speaker 2: week before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want to correct you on something. You

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Speaker 4: said protester approached and then Paul fell when you were

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Speaker 4: describing this. That's not accurate.

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Speaker 1: All right, tell us what happened on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: This pasty the man that ultimately hit Paul and killed him, Well,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to refer to as the murderer tried to

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Speaker 4: engage with me on the other side of the street.

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Speaker 4: He tried to antagonize me by sticking the bullhorn in

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Speaker 4: my ear from right behind and yelling, Alakbar, God is great.

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Speaker 4: You know, Palestine will be free from the river to

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Speaker 4: the sea and out to pat I'm not gonna curse

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Speaker 4: on your show. But I turned around and I told

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Speaker 4: you're assaulting me with that thing. Get out of here. Oh,

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Speaker 4: you look like you could use some water. Do you

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Speaker 4: want some water or something to eat? I said, I

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Speaker 4: appreciate it, but I want nothing from you except for

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Speaker 4: you to get out of my space.

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Speaker 3: Now beat it.

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Speaker 4: And he couldn't antagonize me, so he went across the

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Speaker 1: Paul Kessler. What happened when he approached Kessler.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, he tried the same tactic, putting the

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Speaker 4: megaphone in Paul's ear. But Paul had told me prior

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Speaker 4: to us even going out there to protest. He said,

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Speaker 4: you know, when somebody puts a megaphone in your ear

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Speaker 4: for the purposes of a protest, there's a California penal

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Speaker 4: code that I CPC. I don't know, you can, let

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Speaker 2: Generally, what crime would it be? Just in general terms,

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Speaker 2: it's an assault, okay? And so he so he he

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Speaker 2: shouts into the megaphone into Kessler's ear, and then what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, CPC two forty, he shouts. And I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you know Paul gave him the same speech.

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Speaker 3: That I did.

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Speaker 4: But then I saw that, you know, the megaphone, you know,

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Speaker 4: come crashing down on him.

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Speaker 1: How did he hit him with the megaphone? What did

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Speaker 1: he do? Did he raise it in the air, did

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Speaker 1: he side with it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: He From where I was standing, I could clearly see,

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Speaker 4: first of all, this man was taller, and the megaphone

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Speaker 4: just comes, you know, right across.

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Speaker 3: It was easy to see.

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Speaker 4: The big white megaphone had a big red mouthpiece on it,

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Speaker 4: and it had a huge long lanyard that was probably

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Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty four inches long, and I could see

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Speaker 4: the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what did he do with the megaphone? How did

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Speaker 2: he hit Paul Kestler?

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Speaker 3: Punched him in the mouth with it?

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Speaker 1: I shoved it straight on into his face.

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Speaker 4: I looked to me as if it would you know,

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Speaker 4: as you know, it came down sort of like a haymaker,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know.

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Speaker 4: I could see from the pictures of Paul where his

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Speaker 4: mouth is cut, you know, hit him right in the

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Speaker 4: mouth right, which they talked about. The medical examiner talked

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Speaker 4: about that today, that the cut on his mouth was

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Speaker 4: consistent with being hit in the face with that, and

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Speaker 4: that obviously sent well, I'm swimming. It knocked Paul back

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Speaker 4: on his heels, and he fell and struck the back

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Speaker 4: of his head.

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Speaker 1: The sheriff said, they're not sure whether or not the

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Speaker 1: blow of the face caused the fall. You feel differently, Yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: The sheriff. Sheriff wasn't there. I was there.

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Speaker 1: Well, how come you're quoted in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: is saying you saw him swing the megaphone toward mister Kesler,

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Speaker 2: All these individual decisions on how people vote has led

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the people they interviewed actually are

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Speaker 2: My son had a baseball tournament there, and it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so more than one hundred thousand Californians moved to

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Speaker 2: Gash not New Jersey, Gash in Texas to ninety one

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Speaker 2: So that's the only pleasant surprise you get out here anymore.

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Speaker 1: six four seven eight eight six. Well, this also had

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Speaker 1: to happen. We have a reported death from someone who

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Speaker 1: used ozempic for quick weight loss. Ozempic, of course, is

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Speaker 1: a drug that's mostly for people who are diabetic. But

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that happens is there's

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Speaker 1: weight loss, and that makes sense because often people with

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Speaker 1: diabetes are often overweight. One of the side effects can

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Speaker 1: be uh, gastro paresis, and that apparently is what this

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Speaker 1: woman suffered from in Australia. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: read these other side effects have been reported because they're odd.

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Speaker 1: Ozmpic finger, ozmpic burp, ozmpic butt, ozmpic face, and my

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Speaker 1: favorite weird dreams about celebrities that happens when you take

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Speaker 1: this drug.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't heard that. No ozempic finger is what exactly

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Speaker 2: does it say?

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Speaker 1: No, let's see there's a link. Yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: can tell you what exemp You wanted to know what?

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Speaker 1: I all?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Oxempic finger. Oh, it's because people on ozempic aren't just

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Speaker 1: dropping pants sizes, finger and wrist sizes are shrinking too,

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Speaker 1: and that's the reason behind ozempic face. The face caves in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you end up looking older and gaunt, you know.

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Speaker 1: And these women are upset they're losing their precious engagement

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Speaker 1: rings because it falls off their finger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have some facial fat, it actually makes

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Speaker 2: you look younger because it makes you look like you

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Speaker 2: have a baby face.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you get rid of all your face fat, then

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Speaker 2: you look old and shriveled and the wrinkles become more pronounced.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so ozempic face is a real thing, ozempic finger.

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Speaker 1: What was the other thing, ozempic burp? But I guess

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Speaker 1: if the drug works on your gastro system, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna have burps and.

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Speaker 2: Falls seems worse. Uh burps smell like rotten eggs, sul

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Speaker 2: furious burps.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's the whole thing is to curb your appetite into.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're worse when the patients begin taking their drugs

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Speaker 2: or step up to higher doses. They have a website

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Speaker 2: every ozmpic side effect explained.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and I'll bet your Osempic butt is when your

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Speaker 1: your butt shrinks. And people like bubble butts now, don't they?

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Speaker 1: Ummm yeah, yeah, your buttney.

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Speaker 2: It gives you a surprising and unfortunate flabby appearance in

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Speaker 2: the face or in the butt, or in both. And

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Speaker 2: then then they get to the gastro paresis, which this

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Speaker 2: woman died from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Trish Webster and she was trying to

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Speaker 1: lose weight to be able to fit into a dress

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Speaker 1: for a daughter's wedding. She did die officially from gastro

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Speaker 1: and testin illness. They have not officially linked it to OZMPIC,

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Speaker 1: but the family says she took it and they found

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Speaker 1: her basically unconscious with a brown liquid oozing from her mouth.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what that seems to be.

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Speaker 2: It is like your your it's stomach paralysis.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that gastro parice?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it doesn't empty into the intestinal system.

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Speaker 1: So she lost thirty five pounds in five months. She

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Speaker 1: took some prescription injection called sexenda along with those epic Oh,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like too much.

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Speaker 2: The stomach empties too slowly or stops entirely. It can

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Speaker 2: make it difficult to eat or drink. So I guess

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Speaker 2: your food and drinks start backing up. God knows what

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Speaker 2: the brown liquid was that was leaking out of her mouth.

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Speaker 1: A cute gastro intestinal illness is what they say she

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Speaker 1: officially died from, but they have not linked it to

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Speaker 1: a zempic or a sexenda hair loss. But her husband's

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Speaker 1: quite confident that's what did her.

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Speaker 2: In fatigue, dizzyness, muscle loss, Oh, zempic dreams. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal had a story.

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Speaker 1: I really about a lot of celebrities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that one.

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Speaker 1: You just again, though these may most people may use

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Speaker 1: it ug lose weight and have none of these things.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a possibility, I'd say, it scares me off.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want a zempic face.

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Speaker 2: I don't want my stomach to seize up paralyzed. Conways here, hey, now.

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Speaker 6: Hey, now, there's a fire still going on in Orange County.

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Speaker 6: One of those last you know hangars that was built

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Speaker 6: out of wood back in World War Two, caught on fire.

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Speaker 6: They say it might burn for the next four or

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Speaker 6: five days. So if you live in Orange County, you

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Speaker 6: know what I'm talking about. That huge ass hangar there.

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Speaker 6: Bad vibes, bad vibes. Your guys ever been to that hanger?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, never heard of it?

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Speaker 1: I have you have? Oh it's nice, it's beautiful. So

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Speaker 1: madat would you should have blimps there?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Nobody cares you brought it up, I know, but they

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Speaker 6: put it in the news. I'm like, nobody cares about

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Speaker 6: that thing. And then we also have Remember we were

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Speaker 6: you know, that big website.

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Speaker 1: We were right, they were.

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Speaker 6: They were valued at forty three billion dollars at one point. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know what their value is today, forty three dollars.

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Speaker 6: Not a lot of shares. It's horrible. Well, remember there

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Speaker 6: was a Yahoo. Remember when Yahoo was going to be

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Speaker 6: sold for fifty six billion dollars and the CEO said no,

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Speaker 6: they wanted more. And now it's worth you know, eight cents.

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Speaker 6: But it's amazing how greedy people are where you get

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Speaker 6: an offer for fifty six billion dollars and they say no.

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Speaker 1: I take it. Yeah, right, you take it.

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Speaker 6: You come from a financial background and accounting ken, right, you.

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Speaker 1: Get out of there. That's right, I always have. Everything's

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Speaker 1: a pyramid scheme.

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Speaker 2: I just told my son that if if you work

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Speaker 2: somewhere in anybody ever offers you a seven figure contract,

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Speaker 2: sign it that minute, Yes exactly, just sign it right

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Speaker 2: away and shut up. Don't shut up, don't think about it,

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Speaker 2: shake their hands, say thank you, and get out of

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Speaker 2: the room.

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Speaker 6: I remember being at the radio station I used to

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Speaker 6: work for, and I went on a sales meeting with

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Speaker 6: Bob Moore, who was the general manager.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys know sure, And we're sitting there.

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Speaker 6: It was a big auto dealership and he said, guys,

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Speaker 6: He goes, I love the station. I'm gonna sign right now.

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Speaker 6: And it's a big check. It was a big deal.

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Speaker 6: And I look around and go, wow, you're a big

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Speaker 6: Lakers fan. And he put his head down and I go, oh,

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Speaker 6: what's going on. He goes, I'm a huge Celtics fan.

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Speaker 6: But the Lakers beat the Celtics in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 6: my friend having and I have agreement. I got to

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Speaker 6: decorate my whole office with Lakers stuff for an entire year.

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Speaker 6: He hates the Lakers, love those bets. So we leave

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Speaker 6: the room and Bob Moore kicks me in the ass

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Speaker 6: and he goes, buddy, look, you don't know this because

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Speaker 6: you're young and stupid. But once they say yes and

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00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: they sign a check, you got to shut the f up.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's a golden rules. I should take it

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Speaker 1: and run. That's a true story, man.

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Speaker 6: And then we have a La City council wants to

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Speaker 6: ban overnight RV parking on multiple streets, which means more

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Speaker 6: than one.

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Speaker 2: They're good, they don't. Well, there's a lot of breakthroughs

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Speaker 2: this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then we.

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Speaker 6: Got this this poor guy, this Kessler guy out in

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Speaker 6: thousand os you know, he's an American first, and he

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Speaker 6: got wiped out in one of these protests.

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Speaker 1: It's just a horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 2: Thing it is, and that they got they gotta charge

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Speaker 2: the guy with something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, Well, I.

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Speaker 6: Tell you where there was a tiny silver lining is

589
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: once the guy got hit or once he fell to ground,

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00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 6: he was bleeding. One of the first people that knelt

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Speaker 6: over to try to help him out was dressed up

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Speaker 6: in you know, the in Palestine gear and all that stuff. So,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, that would have happened in any

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Speaker 6: other country. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Conway's up next.

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