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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, then happy early fourth of July. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to believe that we're already into July, halfway through

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. It's just crazy how much time is flying.

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Speaker 1: But as much as I would like to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, good things, positive things, what have you, the

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Speaker 1: unfortunate thing is that if you watch the Braves game tonight,

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Speaker 1: we were reminded that even though we're in July, not

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Speaker 1: much has change when it comes to the Braves performance.

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Speaker 1: A very disappointing four to nothing loss to the Angels,

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Speaker 1: a game that the Braves honestly had to have, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss it and in a variety of

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Speaker 1: different ways, but it's always of me and my podcast

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Speaker 1: partner here, Steven Tobert. Steven, I know that you have

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Speaker 1: plenty to say, and you are very valid in what

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Speaker 1: you were going to say, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: with you a get buddy, Hope, all's been well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, my friend? Honestly, talking with you is

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Speaker 2: my favorite part of this is not anything to do

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Speaker 2: with the Braves. Just talking to you, Sean, because once

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Speaker 2: we actually get to the topic of the Braves, it

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Speaker 2: just kind of pisses me off to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: Like this team is. Yeah, I mean, it's the same

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Speaker 2: shit that we've watched. How many times have we watched

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Speaker 2: this game? Great starting pitching, can't do a effing thing

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Speaker 2: on offense all night long. You finally give up a

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Speaker 2: bullpen's been decent the last few weeks, but it has

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Speaker 2: a bad night tonight. They give up four runs. Never

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Speaker 2: even I mean the couple of times they even sniffed

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Speaker 2: now Ronald Acuna Jr. Can't even hit like that was

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Speaker 2: at least the one thing we had one enjoyment I

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Speaker 2: had of watching this the two things I enjoyed watching

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Speaker 2: about this team with Chris Sale and Ronald Coy Jr.

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Speaker 2: For a long time. Now Chris Sale's hurt and Akunya

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Speaker 2: is in a slum. I mean, what the hell? Like

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Speaker 2: I don't I have to force myself to turn these

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Speaker 2: games on at this point, Like we do a podcast

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Speaker 2: and we have to talk about it, and we get

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Speaker 2: paid to talk about it, and like that's basically the

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Speaker 2: only reason I watch now is because I know I

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Speaker 2: have to do a podcast afterwards. I know I need

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Speaker 2: to know what happened and the particulars, the details. But like,

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Speaker 2: if I was just a normal fan and I didn't

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Speaker 2: have this, there's not a chance in hell I'd be

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Speaker 2: turning these games on. I can't believe there are people

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Speaker 2: that still pay to go to that park and watch

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Speaker 2: this team. Watch this. You gotta take four hours with

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Speaker 2: your family and go watch this team live and pay

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Speaker 2: out the lazoo for parking and foo. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: not a you. There's not a chance in hell I

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Speaker 2: I am right now. I'm just kind of fed up.

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Speaker 2: I'm fed up with this whole group.

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Speaker 1: That I can't blame you, and you know where we're You know, again,

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Speaker 1: when we do this podcast, we're here to give you know,

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Speaker 1: we're here to cover the team. We're here to give analysis,

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Speaker 1: but also honest opinions, whether win or lose and just

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Speaker 1: we're right back into the same vicious circle of it's just,

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Speaker 1: thing that Ronald o'cuna junior struggles is also parallel with

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Speaker 1: was the best hitter in baseball. The Braves were ten

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Speaker 1: and four over that fourteen game stretch. Well, it's no

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Speaker 1: Braves have now lost seven of eleven. But we'll get

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Speaker 1: to the lineup of just a moment. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the one positive that came from tonight, steven,

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Speaker 1: and that is Grant Holmes. Grant Holmes once again was

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Speaker 1: absolutely at the top of his game, no runs allowed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, Strider's fallen back and Grant Holmes

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Speaker 2: like his repertoire of off speed pitches is truly absurd.

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Speaker 2: I mean, hitters have they have no clue what to

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Speaker 2: He's legitimately nasty. Like I said this on I think

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're when you're a mainly a forcing

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Speaker 2: the other parts of this team were operating the way

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Speaker 2: because if they were, this team would be firing on

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Speaker 2: all cylinders and winning, you know, eight out of every

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Speaker 1: Him, absolutely. But the thing about it is is that

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Speaker 1: The Braves have now been shut out in three of

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Speaker 1: it comes to this Braves offense, they have been shut

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Speaker 1: and it just it. I can say all those words,

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Speaker 2: I want to give you a stat. The Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: three games. The Los Angeles Dodgers have given up. They

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Speaker 2: have allowed three hundred and ninety runs this year. Three

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety. Keep that number in your head. Three

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety runs is how many the best team

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Speaker 2: currently eight games under five hundred have given up three

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Speaker 2: something happened organizationally where they changed something? Were they changed approach?

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Speaker 2: looking through the Braves approach in twenty twenty three, their

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Speaker 2: and I don't know where it came from. Where this

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Speaker 2: But what they've done is they've sabotaged the very best

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Speaker 2: was built on offense. They locked up all of their

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Speaker 2: to reverse course. They need to tear up whatever this

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Speaker 1: No, it's a fair assessment, and that's that's that's what

430
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Speaker 1: it comes down to, like it did at this point

431
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: in time, the offense has to carry us. And the

432
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: only thing that they have.

433
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: Been they don't even hit homers anymore. They're like twenty

434
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: fourth in homers tho, when Marlins are about to pass them,

435
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 2: and the number of homers hit. Think about that. They

436
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: don't even hit homers anymore. They don't even hit the

437
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Speaker 2: ball over the fence.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the famous quote is we they are

439
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: who we thought they were. Well, we unfortunately are who

440
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: we feared we would be. And that's that's that's where

441
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: we are. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Sprave squad,

442
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to get into you know who,

443
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: potentially we could see the Brave's party ways with when

444
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: it comes to jerks and profar, but at this point

445
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of.

446
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: It's gotta be for do Goo. Yeah, Michael Harris is

447
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: also got awful, but like Michael Harris can at least

448
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: play defense. Forridugo can't do anything. He can't run, he

449
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: can't play defense, he can't hit. I'm assuming he can

450
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: drive a car.

451
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

452
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what Alex Rondugo can do, but there's

453
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: not a thing on the baseball field. Maybe he needs

454
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: to get away from the Braves and rediscover his talent.

455
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hilarious if he signs for somewhere else

456
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: and remembers how to hit like Alex Radugo average like

457
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: eleven twelve homers a year. For his entire career, he

458
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: has not come within a fifty feet of hitting a

459
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: home run with the Atlanta Braves, like literally they are.

460
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: They are getting players in who have like decent track reachers,

461
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: track records and zapping them of all of their offensive talent.

462
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: I have no idea how it's impossible to take this

463
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: number of quality major league hitters and quite literally zap

464
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: them of all talent on offense of all power. It

465
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: is literally watching space jam. I really feel like I

466
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: am watching the Monstars come onto a basketball court with

467
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: a ball and zap all the talent out of all

468
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: of the hitters, where they don't even try to hit

469
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: homers anymore. I don't. It doesn't make any sense. It

470
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: doesn't make a damn look of sense. What's happened to

471
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: the talent of this offense. It has to be organizational.

472
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Speaker 2: It can't be this widespread and not be organizational. They've

473
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: changed something. I don't know what, but good lord, you're

474
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: gonna get passed by the Marlins and a home runs hit.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, somebody needs to find a water bottle, right

476
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: a COONa secret stuff on It just passed around.

477
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: To me and I don't want to hear about the ball. Listen,

478
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: I understand the ball is different. The Dodgers are still hitting,

479
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: the Yankees are still hitting, the Phillies are still hitting,

480
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: the Mets are hitting. You're being You're about to be

481
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: out hit by the Marlins. This is not just the ball. Like,

482
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: the ball is different. That's one hundred percent true. But like,

483
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: why is it only affecting you?

484
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Speaker 1: Why is it?

485
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: And like Ronald outside of the last two weeks, Ronald

486
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: was still hitting homers. Why isn't Austin Riley hitting hitting homers?

487
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: I keep hearing it's about the ball. Aaron Judge is

488
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: gonna hit seventy homers this year, Cal Rawley's gonna hit sixty.

489
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Speaker 2: Austin Riley can't hit the ball that those got. I mean,

490
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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about the ball. I don't

491
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: want to hear it. Something happened with the approach of

492
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: this team, and until that changes, nothing else matters. And

493
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't mean just this year either, by the way,

494
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean with this group the next few years. If

495
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: this is the offense we're gonna get, you might as

496
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: well tear it down and start over, because this is

497
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: not gonna be good enough. Ever, at any point, what

498
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: if you don't get unbelievable starting pitching like they have

499
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: this year, They've got unbelievable starting pitching. They can't do shit.

500
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do if you have average starting pitching? Absolutely,

501
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's the last rant. I'm just I'm done.

502
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Speaker 1: Wow. I think that it is perfectly valid for this

503
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: to be the reaction that you have, because again, we're

504
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: now a year and a half in seeing this like that.

505
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: To your point, that's the other thing that we're looking at.

506
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: We are now a year and a half removed from

507
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: how historical the twenty twenty three offenses. In other words,

508
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: we've moved far past it. But I think that it's

509
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: to the point to where everybody should just, unfortunately accepted

510
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: the definition of this team offensively now is what we've seen.

511
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: The identity of what this team is right now offensively

512
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: is what we've seen for the past fifteen months, rather

513
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: than what they were in twenty twenty two and twenty

514
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Speaker 1: twenty three. It's unfortunate. It starts with the correction of

515
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Michael Harris, Azzy Alby's and Austin Riley changing from plateauing

516
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: when they should be in the peak of their careers,

517
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Speaker 1: changing from that to getting back to what made them

518
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Speaker 1: so successful. We haven't even talked about the fact that

519
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: we're right now in the midst of matching season for

520
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Austin Riley. I believe that I probably talked about it

521
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Speaker 1: more than anyone. I don't mean to sound arrogant insane that,

522
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Speaker 1: but I've talked about it because I felt that it

523
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Speaker 1: was a very valid point. We right now are in

524
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Speaker 1: the mid when Austin Riley is supposed to be one of,

525
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Speaker 1: if not the best hitters in the National League, if

526
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: not all of baseball, and right now he unfortunately is struggling.

527
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Speaker 1: And until that changes. To your point, Stephen, the outcome

528
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Speaker 1: of this does not change. The Braves are eight games

529
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,640
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530
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Speaker 1: Steven, let's touch on the other you know news that

555
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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier today. You know, we talked about the

556
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Speaker 1: Chris sale news, the actual move that happened corresponding with that,

557
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: the Braves adding Hunter Stratton. Now, listen, I don't think

558
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Speaker 1: that we need to spend a bunch of time on

559
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: this At the end of the day, he was organizational

560
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: depth as of reliever for the Pirates. He's coming over

561
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: to the Braves. There wears some you know, potential, you

562
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: know positive, you know, there were some you know, encouraging

563
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: things that he showed last year. This year has not

564
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: been very encouraging at all. Again, I know that he's

565
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: not more than organizational depth, but he is within the

566
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: He is within the organization. Now. This also could mean

567
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: that we could continue to see some roster moves when

568
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: it comes to this Braves team as they're trying to

569
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: really fill up that bullpen over the next few weeks.

570
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Your thoughts just kind of on the the inclusion of

571
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Speaker 1: Stratton now in the Braves organization.

572
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sure, I don't care. He's a he's

573
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: a filler. I mean, he's he's got a little bit

574
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: of major league experience. It was actually decent last year

575
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: with the Pirates, but like he wasn't even on the

576
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: Pirates major league team. He was in their Triple A team,

577
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: So like that should probably tell you he's he's not

578
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: gonna be much. I mean he was he couldn't make

579
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: the majors in the Pirates organization, so of course I

580
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't be talking a bad about the Pirates because they're

581
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: about to pass the Braves in the standings as well,

582
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: So maybe we should reassess where we put ourselves in

583
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: the hierarchy of the National League. Yeah, he throws hard.

584
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, Hunter Stratton could have been

585
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: my waiter at dinner last night. I would have. I

586
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: couldn't pick him out of a lineup. So, you know,

587
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: relievers with with eras and fips in the fours or

588
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: I mean you can hit it. You know, you can

589
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: throw a stone and find ten of them. So I'm

590
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: not gonna spend too much time breaking this guy down.

591
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: It's just he's organizational depth. He'll probably come up at

592
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: some point just to help fill innings. Again, he does

593
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: throw hard. He throws like ninety seven, ninety eight. I

594
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: think he averages like right at ninety six. Doesn't strike

595
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 2: a lot of guys out. It's probably a pretty straight

596
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: fastball if I'm guessing. But yeah, just organizational depth. It

597
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: is notable that he's on the forty man. I mean,

598
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: that's not just anybody. There's obviously only so many of

599
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: those guys around. So my guess is you'll see him

600
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: at some point in twenty twenty five, especially if this

601
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: year keeps going the way it's going.

602
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Speaker 1: And of course the other you know, thing to look

603
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: forward to when it comes to profar, you know, coming

604
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: to the lineup tomorrow, DiDia for Wintes will be taking

605
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: the mound for his third start. Now, his first two starts,

606
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, there have been some encouraging signs, but there's

607
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: also been clear indications that he should not be in

608
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: a major league rotation right now. And that's not a

609
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: negative towards for Winnss. That's just simply due to the

610
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: fact that he's twenty years old. He shouldn't be in

611
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a major league rotation right now. And I do think

612
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: that we're kind of to the point to where, you know,

613
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: if win Tes comes up and he has another you know,

614
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: questionable game tomorrow night, he struggles once again, and it's

615
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: very possible because again, as you mentioned, this Angel's lineup

616
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: has been pretty good as of late. If he struggles

617
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: again tomorrow night, I do think that you need to

618
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: start having the conversation. Okay, he's done his part, he's done,

619
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Speaker 1: We've asked, it's time to move on to another option.

620
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Speaker 1: Even if he has a good start. It probably is

621
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: to the point of having that conversation, but at least

622
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: excited to see what he can offer. But the thing

623
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: about it is is that for the Braves, based off

624
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: what occurs last night, your probably going to have to

625
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: make a movie in the near future, especially if you

626
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: want to have any shot of trying to get this

627
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: season back on track.

628
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a bit surprised they haven't made a move

629
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: for a starter of some sort. Again, Scott and I

630
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: did the emergency show when we got this news about

631
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: sale ten days ago. I don't remember how long ago

632
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: it was, and I really thought Alex would go get

633
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: someone like, not anybody good or great, just someone who's

634
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: a little more prepared to pitch in the majors than

635
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: a twenty year old kid who's barely pitched above a ball.

636
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: But they have it, and maybe that's an indication that

637
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: they're you know, maybe that should tell us something that

638
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: they haven't went out and gotten anybody. Maybe they're about

639
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: done with this team as well. I wouldn't be stunned,

640
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he did, he did. He shouldn't

641
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: be in the majors. He's not ready. And again, there's

642
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with not being ready. He's twenty years old.

643
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Speaker 2: What were you doing at twenty? I wasn't ready to

644
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Speaker 2: pitch in the majors. I mean I was barely a

645
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: functioning human being at twenty.

646
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: So like I was, I was pitching in the majors.

647
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're sewn, You're Sean Coleman.

648
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Speaker 1: He's two. That curve ball was massive.

649
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be the show, that's right. So yeah,

650
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: I like he shouldn't be up. But who else do

651
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: they have? I mean, obviously they don't have any confidence

652
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: in anybody else at Triple A, because if they did,

653
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: they would have already made that move. It's not like

654
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: Pintes has looked unbelievable. I mean, if they had literally

655
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: anyone else, if hersta Waldrip had shown even a glimpse

656
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: of promise in the last few weeks, he'd be up.

657
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: I can't even name for you other guys in the

658
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: rotation at Triple A. I think Ian Anderson at one

659
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: point was they signed him back. I think he got

660
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: hurt though. I don't even know who else. Nobody good obviously,

661
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: so I really thought they'd make a move maybe When

662
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: sale went down, the front office was like, what's the

663
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: point you know, maybe they're done with this season two.

664
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Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see, but I mean the Braves

665
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: need him to be decent tomorrow. I don't expect it.

666
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Like I said, the Angels were one of the hottest

667
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: offenses of baseball coming into this series. That's how good

668
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Grant Holmes was tonight. But you saw once the bullpen

669
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: came in, the Angels kind of looked the part again.

670
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: They mash, they hit a ton of homers. They did

671
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: what the Braves used to do, which is hit a

672
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: bunch of homers. So I don't expect it to go

673
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: well tomorrow, but I've been wrong before. Maybe Profar will

674
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: spark something. Nita Kunya to listen. I was rough on

675
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: a Cunya earlier. He was never gonna run a twelve

676
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: hundred ohps all year. He was always gonna hit a slide.

677
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't mean to take it out on Ronald. He's

678
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: been unbelievable. He's gonna make the All Star team, which

679
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: is awesome. He deserves that. He's just been in a

680
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: slide for about a week, striking out a bunch. He

681
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: had a bat at bat tonight with a run around third.

682
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: It's not his fault. Like I don't. I'm not gonna

683
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: take it out on Ronald. He's just in a funk

684
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: right now. But the Angels have their two bests eyes

685
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: going tomorrow or in the next two days, and Kakuchi

686
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: and Soriano so in the bravest of their two worst

687
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: pitchers going in the next two days, and Flints as

688
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: an elder. So you know, if I'm being honest, my

689
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 2: optimism level is not high.

690
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: And let's also be honest again, you know, pointing out

691
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Speaker 1: that the main point of talking about Ronald's struggles is

692
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: not the fact that it's disappointing to see Ronald struggle.

693
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: It's it's perfectly acceptable to see someone go through a

694
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: week or so of struggles like he's going through. The

695
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: thing that is so painful, though, is how obviously dependent,

696
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: how dependent this team is on Ronald Acuna Junior having

697
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: to be the best hitter in baseball for them just

698
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: to be able to win a game at the level

699
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: that they need to.

700
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's gone on base three times every night,

701
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: they're they're screwed.

702
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.

703
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: No one's getting on three times every night. You're gonna

704
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: go through a week, a two week, three week, slump.

705
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. It's baseball, And like this team is

706
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: just in no way capable or in any way prepared

707
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: to deal with like Ronald Lacuna Junior not being awesome

708
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: for any length of time and unfortunately he's been enough

709
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: funk for a week and they can't score. Yeah, yeah,

710
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: that's not his fault. That's not his fault. It's everyone

711
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: else's fault. Like he's gonna go through a funk. I

712
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: didn't mean to put as much blame on as I

713
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: did earlier in the show. He's gonna go through a funk.

714
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: Need other guys to.

715
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: Hit, Yeah, yeah, If Ronald Lacuna Junior and Matt Olson

716
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: not being at the level of top ten MVP hitters,

717
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: if that not happening is the reason why you can't

718
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: win games. It's not on them.

719
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Speaker 2: Not even win games. You can't score a single damn run,

720
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: not a single run. They've been shut out, what three

721
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: three out of the last five games or something like that.

722
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: If on the coone Junior's not all basset three times,

723
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: they forget winning. They can't score.

724
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's painful, and that's just that's just what it

725
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: comes down to. There's no other way to put it

726
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: other than right now. It used to be an absolute

727
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: positive to watch this Braves team play. It used to

728
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: be a pleasure to be able to see how awesome

729
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: this offense was. Now it's painful. It's very painful to

730
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: watch this team play. It is July first, and I

731
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: can tell you this, for the part of Braves country

732
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: that is Hawks fans, I feel very confident they would

733
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: much rather spend their day talking about what the Hawks

734
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: are doing when basketball season is more than three and

735
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: a half months away, rather than what the Braves are

736
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Speaker 1: doing right now. And it's July first, with the All

737
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Star Game being in Atlanta ten days from now, that

738
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Speaker 1: is a shame.

739
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Speaker 2: And I'll say this, I don't need twenty twenty three.

740
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Speaker 2: I don't need them to be the greatest offense that

741
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Speaker 2: ever lived. Right now as a team, they have a

742
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: lower WRC plus than the Marlins and the Guardians, two

743
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: teams who are known for not being able to hit,

744
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: two teams who spend zero money on their offense. The

745
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: Brains are like twenty third or twenty fourth in Baseball

746
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: in WRC plus. I don't need the greatest offense that's

747
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: ever lived. But you should with the talent they have,

748
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: they should be top ten, top twelve. Like being this

749
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: low with this amount of talent is a travesty. And

750
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: they did it to themselves. And that's what really pisses

751
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: me off. They did it to themselves. They changed something.

752
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what, but they have changed their approach.

753
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: They've gone super passive. Maybe it was to get more walks.

754
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, we saw a Zuna taking

755
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: all of these pitches earlier in the year and not

756
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: really drive the ball, and like, you know, it's a

757
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: little weird, but he's taken walks and it's like the

758
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: whole team just decided we're not driving the ball anymore.

759
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: We get into a three to zero count, a three

760
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: to one count, we get a fastball down the middle,

761
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: we're taking it. It's so weirdest think I don't understand.

762
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: And that's what pisses me off is it's self imposed.

763
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: It's self sabotage, and I don't get it. And until

764
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: they fix it, it doesn't matter about anything else, because

765
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: we've seen that even with great pitching, they can't win.

766
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: They that's how bad the offense is. So until this changes,

767
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 2: literally nothing else matters on this team. Nothing. It doesn't

768
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: matter for twenty twenty five. It doesn't matter for twenty

769
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: twenty six because it's the same group next year. By

770
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,479
Speaker 2: the way, all of those extensions means it's the same

771
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: group next year. And so until it changes, until they

772
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: go back to being able to hit at even a

773
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: league average rate, nothing else matters.

774
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: And the thing is, again, you know, I've harped on

775
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: it over the past month month plus. When this team

776
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: scores five runs, they will win at the rate that

777
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: they need to. Over that fourteen game stretch. Before they've

778
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: lost seven out of their last eleven, they were ten

779
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: and four over that fourteen game stretch they scored five runs.

780
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: If they could score five runs, hell, if they could

781
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: even score four point five runs, put four point five

782
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: runs per game somewhere in the middle there, they would

783
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: be league average. They would be winning at a frequent pace.

784
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, I know many have had have

785
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: looked forward to, you know, some a little bit of

786
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: ranting here and there when it comes to this team.

787
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: That's kind of the point that we're at. But the

788
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: thing is, baseball still occurs tomorrow. I know that some

789
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: may see that more as a threat then something to

790
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: look forward to. But Jerkson profar as back DDR F

791
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: one ts is on the mound. Perhaps the Braves can

792
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: get a win and we'll be here to cover it

793
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: all for you. Brad Rowland, Scott Coleman, We'll be back

794
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: with you, Steven as we wrap up this edition to

795
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the hammertet Ritory Podcast. Anything else from you, sir?

796
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: I just want to reiterate that point from earlier. The

797
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: Braves have allowed sixty fewer runs this season than the

798
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Dodgers and are fifteen games behind them in

799
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: the standings. Just think about that. Sixty fewer runs the

800
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Braves have allowed than the Dodgers and they're fifteen games

801
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: behind them in the standings. That's how bad the offense

802
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: has been, which it's it's actually quite hard to fathom

803
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: how bad the offense has been. But that's how bad

804
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: they've been. And that is where the braid. That is

805
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: why nothing else matters. That is why the Braves find

806
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: themselves where they are and until that changes. Twenty twenty five,

807
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, however long this group

808
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: is together, and it's a long time with these extensions,

809
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: until that changes, nothing else matters.

810
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: It's purely offensive to watch this offense right now, the

811
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Speaker 1: best way I can put it. Thanks so much for

812
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: joining us on this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast

813
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: and again, hey, there will be more Hammer Territory podcasts

814
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Speaker 1: as we move forward through the rest of the month

815
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Speaker 1: of July going into the rest of the season. So

816
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: much to come up. One thing that we did not

817
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: mention Ronald Accouna junior. The top vote that are now

818
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: in the outfield. You have till tomorrow to vote. Make

819
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: sure you do that to be able to support Ronald.

820
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, if there's one thing to look forward to,

821
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: Ronald and the home run derby Ronald starting the outfield

822
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: for the Braves, that would be a great thing with

823
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: the All Star Game being in Atlanta. You can find

824
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