1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian, and you may not even see it 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: with a smoke machine, not to not to blow smoke. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: And Upon intended that car doctor you like this In 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: twenty years you could take this gig from me. You 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: know that you could be the next car doctor. Welcome 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Nanian the Car Doctor, 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: call in the garage to orders are open, but I 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: am here to take your calls at eight five five 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: five six. And now he running. Little Bowen last week 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: was so darn cute. You know. I don't know if 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: I told you guys the backstory of that, but we 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: were at the Coastal Virginia Auto Show and um uh 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: you know his grandfather and Bowen, um, the little four 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: year old were sitting out in front watching us during 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: the time we were up there on stage, and um, 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: you could see Bowen was really in of cars, right. 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: He's clutching his match box and he's pointing at all 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: the cars and the new cards and he wouldn't stop talking. 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, this kid's gonna make a great radio interview. 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: So I motioned to the grandfather, said, hey, can we 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: get Bowing up here? And one of the one of 25 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: my producers down there, They went over, they got him, 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: They talked to the grandfather, so they bring him up 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: on stage. This kid wouldn't stop talking until the mic 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: went on, and and then he wouldn't and and um, 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: and you know, kid, it's a national radio show. You 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: know you want to grad kid, it's a national radio show. 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: This is your moment, right, And it was really funny. 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: He wouldn't talk to me, but he would talk to 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: grandpa alright, because I guess that's stranger danger thing kicked in. 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what it was. But even though 35 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: Grandpa and grandma was right behind them, and Grandma was 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: kind of like patting him on the head, like speak 37 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: say something, right, you can see the anxiety in poor 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Grandmam's eyes. And um, towards the end he warmed up. 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: And if you get a chance, you go back to 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: last Saturday's show and catch the second hour, the last 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, the clip where Bowing is in it. When 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Bowen takes us to commercial we're the car doctor. We're 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: going to commercial, right, I'll never forget that. That was 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: The grandfather looks at me and he goes, well, I 45 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: think he's getting the hang of it. Yeah, I think so. 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: You know it's and that's when I knew my gig 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: was in trouble. And as a matter of fact, the 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: good news is Bowen signed the contract, so nice working 49 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: with her on will be out the first of the year. Yeah, 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you he was. It was. It was just 51 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: a good time. Um. The back story, the back back 52 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: story there is his grandfather listens to us down Louisiana 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: where we're on a couple of radio stations down in 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: New Orleans, and they listened to us down there, and 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: they came north to Virginia Beach to spend some time 56 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: with Bowen because Bowen's dad is serving on an aircraft 57 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: carrier thank you for your service, bones debt and that 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: he was shipping out tuesday. So the grandparents wanted to 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: give Bowen's family, his mom and dad some time to 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: spend time together before you know, the dad shipped out 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: and he wanted to he wanted to show Bowen cars 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: and you know what a great thing, right, we don't. 63 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: We don't do that enough. We're not We're not teaching 64 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: the next generation a out cars. It's just it's it's 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: becoming all push buttons now and um it's it's it's 66 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: it's got to be done. We've got to show them 67 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: and teach them about cars. Anyway, this is the Car Doctor. 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: We do fix cars. That's what this radio show is 69 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: partly about. It's also talking about cars as we like 70 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: to do. And there's a couple of things I want 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: to talk about this hour. Jimmy Johnson's retiring from racing. 72 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: The first Saudi women driver is gonna race a car 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: in the Kingdom. We're gonna talk about that this hour. 74 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: But right now, let's get over to Bob and Yonkers, 75 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: New York. Oh seven Catty sts and some questions. Bob, 76 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm doing good? Thank you. I learned 78 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot over the years just listening to you in 79 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: your podcast. Anyway. UM, I got a two thousand and 80 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: seven Cadillac STS, which is the need of lower control 81 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: on bushings. Um, so I'm gonna basically replace the whole 82 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: lower control arms. I've been working on costs many years, 83 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, and many of these pairs I do in 84 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: my driveway, Uh something new. I check the internet, watch 85 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: YouTube videos, see what the procedure entails, and if it's 86 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: within my means, you know, I'll do it. So now 87 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: with the weather changing um and seeing that there's some 88 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: specific talk requirements of these boats on the control arms 89 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: the ball joint, I'm contemplated bringing it to my local 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: mechanic who I've been using for many years. The problem 91 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: is he's a mechanic that never relies on the talk 92 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: wrench and his impact tool is always the go to 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: tool of choice. You know, I don't mind who disassembling 94 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: with the impact tools, but you know, to reassembly if 95 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: he can get you know, reach the boat with the 96 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: impact tools. He just used the impact tool and goes 97 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: to the town on it. So my question is just 98 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: how important is the bolt specs on a local control 99 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: on replacement? You know. When I brought it up to 100 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: the mechanic, basically he's just saying, you know, I've been 101 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: doing this for years. You know, I don't worry about it, 102 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: but I'm somebody that's very careful about, you know, the 103 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: procedures on my vehicles, And I know, Kid and Bob, 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: I really commend you for that. You know, how important 105 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: is it take your mouth shut and hold your nose? 106 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: How important is it to breathe? You know, it's it's procedural. 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I say to shop 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: owners and mechanics everywhere when we start talking about you know, 109 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: while I still use my air gun, and I still 110 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: do it this way, and I still do it that way. Yeah, 111 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: how's that working out for you? You You know someone once 112 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: asked me, do I run my business different today than 113 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: I did twenty years ago? I tell him, point blank, 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: I run my business different today than I did a 115 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: year ago. Every six months, the business reinvents itself at 116 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: metamorphosis into something else. Whether it's procedurally, or whether it's 117 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: where we're sourcing parts, or how we're sourcing parts, or 118 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: what information systems we're using predominantly or how we're using them. 119 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Just something changes. You have to evolve. This This industry 120 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: is about evolvement and evolution and continuing to update and change. 121 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: What you're talking about is General Motors is in their 122 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: suspension components. Probably beginning around the late nineties early two thousands, 123 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: everything went to torque to yield bolts t t Y 124 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: l uh t T talk to yield you t T Y. 125 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: I think there's always another talk to yield length or 126 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: something bolts, But the issue is just tightening them again 127 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: runs the risk of the bolt not having a proper torque, 128 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: be loosening up or see snapping failing um actually creating 129 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: uh an issue. So every time we go to work 130 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: on any front suspension, we're always torking everything, and you know, 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: it's it's always new bolts were required, and you know, 132 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: do we do it every time? We try to do 133 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: it every time. We try to have good consciousness. Sometimes 134 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: it's I'm not gonna stand up here in the line 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: say yeah, we're perfect. Sometimes General motors can't get us 136 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: the bolts. Uh. You know, sometimes we can't get the 137 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: parts because it's back ordered, or it doesn't exist, or 138 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: it's obsolete. But we're we're gonna be very careful to 139 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: tork those things to spec. Now, some of the specs 140 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of make me wins a little bit. It's you know, 141 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: it's sixty ft pounds in in an eighty degree turn, 142 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: and you're like, really, um, that's a heck of a 143 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: lot of clampload. But that's what they want. That's what 144 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: the engineers want. Are there are the control arms aluminum 145 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: or steel? Um? I think they're aluminum. And that's and 146 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why all right and and 147 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and wait, Wally finds out way way do you try 148 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: one of these? You're trying to tighten um a control 149 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: arm and knuckle arrangement where the knuckles aluminum and the 150 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: control arm is aluminum, and you put the ball joint 151 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: on it, or you put the nut on it and 152 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: use an air gun and you it's so tight you 153 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: actually split and break the knuckle. And I see guys 154 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: doing that alright, Uh, you know, con protect themselves. I 155 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: mean a lot of these shops. You know, this guy 156 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: happens to let me, you know, I could watch the 157 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: repair and I know you know he always goes to 158 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the impact to him because he's done some of my 159 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 1: front hubs. Then he just goes to town on the hub. Yeah, 160 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: that don't want you in the shot man, How do 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: you how do you know that it's being done right? 162 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, other than I bring it up to your 163 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: shot You don't you don't you you just you You've 164 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: got to trust that you know there there using proper procedure. 165 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: And while while mechanics need to expect more of consumers, 166 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: consumers need to expect more of mechanics. I think it's 167 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: gonna become a two way street. I really question where 168 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: the next five years is gonna take us and how 169 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna get there, and and part of the problem 170 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be it's gonna be a slow evolution. It's 171 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna be a slow change because, you know, North Jersey, 172 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: North Jersey, I think the fleet of cars is newer 173 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: than perhaps um certain parts of Oh. I don't want 174 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: to pigeonhole anybody, but I'm gonna say I'll say Virginia 175 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: just because I was there last week. You know, are 176 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: there are there older cars in Virginia? Yeah, I think 177 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: there are. I think from what I was saying, what 178 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: I observed out on the street, and I think the 179 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: technology evolution is a little slower in that part of 180 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: the country. Based on what I'm seeing. There isn't a 181 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: new BMW dealer every ten miles or so as it 182 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: seems in North Jersey. In the New York metro market, 183 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: it's different, alright, not bad, it's just different. So the 184 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: need for a torque to yield fronts. The space engine 185 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: repair is going to take a little longer to get 186 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: there on a regular, steady basis. I think that the 187 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: consumer has to look at everything that the mechanics doing, 188 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: but I also think the mechanic has to expect the 189 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: consumer to let go of of how it's being done. 190 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: They've got to trust, you know, let them. I'll give 191 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: you an example, um, and then I'm gonna run. We 192 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: We had a new customer commit in the last two months. 193 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: She's driving a Chevy Suburban and I can see that 194 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: a she has different expectations than what I expect and 195 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: be she doesn't really let you evolve those into what 196 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: I consider safe repair. And I'm on the I'm on 197 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: the I'm right on the cusp of cutting her loose, frankly, 198 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: because it's just it's just becoming too much work. But 199 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: part of the problem is you can just tell the 200 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: shops she's been going to. It's a non technical term 201 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: or schlocky. You know what schlocky is, Bob. You know 202 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: you can see that like the oil drain plug, the 203 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: oil drain plug had a gasket on it. The g 204 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: ask it was actually deformed and crushed onto the drain 205 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: plug so bad that I wanted to replace it. I 206 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: had to use a pair of dikes to cut it 207 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: off and split it, holding it in a vice with 208 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: a hammer and a chisel. It was just crazy. Just 209 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: put the put the dollar thirty seven gasket on the 210 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: drain plug. How hard is this? All? Right? When they 211 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: when they dropped the filter, when they lowered the filter 212 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: off the car instead of using a green funnel and 213 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: making a you know, nice need oil change. There's oil 214 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: everywhere underneath the four wheel drive pan. But that's okay 215 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: to her. She you know, she was telling me about 216 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: that she had some oil leaks going on, but she 217 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: knew it was from the oil change, and then I 218 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't really pay attention to it. But my point becomes 219 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: that also there were there was oil coming down the 220 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: back of the motor. There was oil in areas that 221 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: indicated to me rear main seal. So you know, she 222 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: had her own set of expectations trying to save money, 223 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: and the shops had their own set of expectations rushing 224 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: through the job, and they were kind of a perfect fit. 225 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: But I don't I don't know that the future holds 226 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: for that because they're gonna run into torque to yield 227 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: bolts and diagnostics at such a high level that the 228 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: future and technology is gonna define who can fix them 229 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: and where we fix them and how we fix them. 230 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: And you know why I try to do all my 231 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: repairs because I know what I do gets done right. 232 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's something that I can't do then I 233 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: gotta rely on another shop. But I keep I keep 234 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: telling my wife. She says, when are you gonna retire? 235 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: And I keep saying, when I can find somebody to 236 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: fix cars? Um, you know, because I just I just 237 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just you know, I know 238 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: there's guys out there, and I know you can find them, 239 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: but it just takes a bit of work to do. 240 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: It's hard. You know, you go to you go to 241 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: these local autopods stores in my area. You know, when 242 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: you pull into the parking lot and there's there's guys 243 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: just doing repairs right, and a lot not even licensed 244 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: and stay tolerated. Yeah, and that just I've seen that. 245 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: I know that part of Anchors and the Bronx, and uh, 246 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: it's mind boggling. And you wonder, you wonder for how long? 247 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: And and but they're also older cars. You know, those 248 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: are older cars and that's what allows that. And that's 249 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: what you know. Again, technology hasn't caught up to it. 250 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Give it five years. That's gonna have to go away 251 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: because the technology is gonna change, and um, it's gonna 252 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: force those guys that you know. Technology is gonna force 253 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: everybody to update or evaporate as we used to say 254 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and like to say, Bob, I appreciate the call and 255 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: the good luck in the hunt, keep us, keep us informed, 256 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: and the thanks for being part of the Car Doctor family. 257 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm ronanading the Car Doctor. We are back right after this. 258 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: That's right. If you call and we're not live, you 259 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: can leave a message and we'll call you back to 260 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: get you on the air with Ron eight five five 261 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron here he is. 262 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: Let's get out over and talk to Trevor in nine. Trevor, 263 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help Hi? Yeah, 264 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I just bought this UM two thousand sixteen derhamac gmc UM. 265 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I just picked it up for the deal a not 266 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: too long ago and brought it home the next day 267 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: I would start and uh, anyways, I brought it back 268 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: to Deal and they charged it for like four hours, 269 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: brought it back home the next morning, which start brought 270 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: it back. They put two new batteries in it, good 271 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: to go. Took it home to a check engine line 272 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: next day. So I brought back to Deal. I come 273 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: to find out it was a check engine line for 274 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: deaf heater, reluctant deaf eater, and they didn't for the 275 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: deaf fluid. Yeah, so they did replace the deaf, cleared 276 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: the code and check engine lines no longer, but they 277 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: put a deaf eater thing in there. Um, I'm just 278 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: kind of leary now because they had the truck for 279 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: a week while I'm working on I don't know if 280 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: there was the powers back or or what. They never 281 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: told me about the even the truck back anyway, and 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: that I'm just I'm kind of leary about the truck. 283 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: I still got thirty days. Yeah, yeah, So let me 284 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: comment about the parts thing. First. Um, we did a 285 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: we had to rebuild. We had to overhaul of reaction 286 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: on a twenty twelve Chevy Tahoe this week and it 287 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: took three days to get bearings out of General Motors. 288 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: And when the customer asked me why, I said, well, 289 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: they're they're on back order. You know, GM's coming off strike. 290 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: So GM is still hasn't really caught up. It's gonna 291 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: be another thirty to forty days, they say, before GM 292 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: catches up to back filling all the back orders and 293 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: things that we went missing as a result of the strike. 294 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: So that could be part of the reason. So just 295 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: as as a reasonable answer, Now, how many miles are 296 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: on this thousand? So did you happen to buy an 297 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: extended service plan? I didn't? Okay, Um, can you I can? Yeah, 298 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: but I'm under the pression that GM has their warranty. 299 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: They they do, But you know what, the engine is 300 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: not going to be the piece that fails, all right, 301 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: and the trans won't fail in a hundred thousand generally 302 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: not all right. Usually what goes bad with these are 303 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: globe plugs, globe plug controllers, once in a while a 304 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: bad injector. Um. You know, so you're really buying a 305 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: service policy for all the exterior peripheral stuff. Now the 306 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: first question I've got, you know, because you're asking me, hey, 307 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: is the truck worth keeping? Why did you buy a diesel? 308 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted one, not that I 309 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: really do. I just wanted one to road. You know, 310 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: if you're if you're towing, if you're hauling, if you're 311 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: plowing snow, I think it diesel is the perfect fit. 312 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: You know. But but but otherwise it's like trying to 313 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: buy a Volkswagen and put a family of five in it. 314 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: It's just a bad fit. It just doesn't work, you know. 315 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: It's it's things get tight, things get and and and unfortunately, diesels, 316 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: as they evolved, get expensive to repair and maintain. Now 317 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: it could be that this vehicle now it's three going 318 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: on four years old, whoever had it before you? But 319 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: you know they they traded it in because they knew 320 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: it was getting right to that stage where stuff starts 321 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: to break. Just being honest, right, I mean, listen, if 322 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: we had this talk beforehand, this would have been the conversation. 323 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: This would have been to come to Jesus conversation. And 324 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you really need a diesel, that's a 325 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: heck of a truck. But understand, you know, it takes 326 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: very specific maintenance instructions and procedures. It takes very specific 327 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: quality of repair parts. It's it's not something you can 328 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: short change or cheat, all right, And you really need to, 329 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: You really need a guy that speaks Diesel to work 330 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: on it and service it. Now. You know, if you 331 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: can do that, great, I'm all four, all right, but 332 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: just just understand that. Now come back to the first 333 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: part of your question. They had it for a week, 334 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: and you know, what is this a sign of? So far? 335 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: What you're telling me are pretty much the standard things 336 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: that break on those trucks. They did have def tank 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: heater issues. They do have globe plug issues. You'll probably 338 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: start the pop globe plugs in it, one or two 339 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: at a time. You know, things like that are gonna 340 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: come up. The good news is that if you do 341 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of work the bugs out of it between now 342 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: and the next hundred in the first hundred thousand miles, 343 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna find that that vehicle probably runs three four 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: hundred thousand miles UM with some basic maintenance and traditional 345 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: maintenance that a diesel would take and you know, give 346 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: you good service. But a diesel is a very unforgiving 347 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: animal in that they really require somebody that speaks the language, 348 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: and Billy Bob's garage isn't gonna be able to fix it. 349 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's either some it's either somebody specific 350 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: at the dealer or it's somebody And I apologize that 351 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: there's a Billy Bob's garage out there that's competent, that's 352 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: listening to the show. But just know what, I call 353 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: him like I see him, brother, Um, you know, or 354 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's. It's a great vehicle to have 355 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: a great relationship with a mechanic, one on one and 356 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: somebody that you trust that when he tells you, hey, 357 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: you know what, Trevor, it's gonna need this in the 358 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: next six months, you believe him, all right. And um, 359 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, just as important with gas, it's even a 360 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: little bit more important with diesel, so that you get 361 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: good maintenance and good service and good repair. But if 362 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: you don't need it, get rid of it and get 363 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: a gas vehicle. Um, you don't need the experience and 364 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: the thrill of it, just for the heck of it. 365 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the Car Doctor. We'll be back 366 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: right after this. Eight by five zero nine zero the 367 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: phone number running in the Car Doctor service. You want 368 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: to get on, give us a call eight five zero 369 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I was reading the latest issue of 370 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Haggarty and um, you know when you have a class 371 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: of car, class of car insurance. You can get a 372 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: copy of this. And they talk about the Fords that 373 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: beat Ferrari. Um they're they're referencing Um four versus Ferrari 374 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: the movie that's out that you gotta go say. It's 375 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: just it's just so cool and um they talk about 376 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: these cars and and and what they are, and they 377 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: they you know, they sell now publicly. You can go 378 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: buy a four g T forty at your local Ford 379 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: dealer or where have you. They're only a half a 380 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. So if you got five thousand, I wonder 381 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: what the least payment is on a G T forty, 382 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: right with at least one I am. But it's just 383 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: it's just how this movie has caught everybody's attention. And 384 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: they've still got um G T forty chassis number P 385 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: ten forty six, which is the car that Bruce McLaren 386 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: and Chris Amon drove to the Lamon's victory and sixty six, 387 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: which is in the movie. By the way, I want 388 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: to tell you how it ends, but um, that's the 389 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: car they drove when they beat Ferrari Uh in the 390 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: in the Lamans Um. As a matter of fact, it's 391 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: interesting to note I should point this out. In the race, 392 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: they call it Laman, but in reality it's Lamans. I 393 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: believe they left the s off in the movie because 394 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: it was something about trademark infringement and they didn't have 395 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: clearance to use Laman's. Um. Just if somebody goes to 396 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: the movies, take note and let me know if that's true. 397 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I had heard that the other day. I was talking 398 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: to somebody about it. But um, just just crazy stuff. 399 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. P zero four P zero 400 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: four twenty is a catalytic converter fault code that everybody 401 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: seems to get, and it's it's probably one of the 402 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: more common fault codes now. Immediately, everybody tends to think 403 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: P zero four twenty cat efficiency, and what's the first 404 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: thing they want to put on the car a catalytic converter. 405 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: But it's not always the case. There are other things 406 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: that can affect a PAS effect and create a P 407 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: zero four twenty. Let's understand what a catalytic convert the 408 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: job is first, all right. A catalytic converter is an 409 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: emission component and its job is to help reduce vehicle 410 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: tail pipe emissions. All right, catalytic converter. It requires heat 411 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: catalytic and it converts, it changes, so it's a catalytic converter. 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: It requires heat to operate as specific levels to reduce 413 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: tail pipe emissions when cat efficiency is measured, and they 414 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: do this by in simplest terms, there's an oxygen sensor 415 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: in front of the catalytic converter that measures oxygen content 416 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: of the exhaust and there's oxygen. There's an O two 417 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: sensor on the outlet side of the converter that measures 418 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: oxygen content. They're looking for a changing up and down 419 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: voltage signal going in, which means that the fuel mixture 420 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: is in continuous loop or closed loop operation. It's in 421 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: feedback control, and they're looking for certain moments of higher 422 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: voltage out of the downstream or after cat O two, 423 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: showing that the catalytic converter is storing oxygen to help 424 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: reduce emissions when needed. All Right, I often think of 425 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: think of a catalytic converter as a fact guy sitting 426 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: at a sandwich at a counter at a in a subshop. Right, 427 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: He's sitting there chomping away and eating and eating and 428 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: eating and eating and eating, and he's just storing oxygen 429 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: and storing oxygen and storing oxygen, and then all of 430 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: a sudden he burps and he releases oxygen. Okay, the 431 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: moment where he burbs is the moment where the O 432 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: two voltage on the downstream mode two drops low. All right, 433 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I got this from I was watching Mikey eat lunch 434 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: today before the show, and Mikey had pastrami today. It 435 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: looked really good. And that's the moment when it's measured. 436 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: The computer knows when that's gonna happen, and it measures it. 437 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: It looks at how long it stores oxygen versus how 438 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: long it doesn't store oxygen, And at the moment when 439 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: it measures that, it decides, hey, is this being efficient 440 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be. The number is that a 441 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: catalytic converter has to maintain a seventy percent And I 442 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: think now it's up more towards efficiency. Record of volume 443 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: of oxygen coming in versus volume of oxygen going out, 444 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: how it's stored. P zero four twenty happens. Okay, P 445 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: zero four twenty happens because the the downstream ODE two 446 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: is reporting a lower voltage than it's expected. So the 447 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: computer thinks Hey, it's not storing oxygen. The systems running 448 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: two lean. A couple of things can affect and cause 449 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: that other than a catalytic converter. Things to look at, 450 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: and even if you can't get the technical or the 451 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: mechanical side of what I'm saying, just think about these 452 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: things to look at this which this is your takeaway. 453 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: This is what you need to remember. Number one, engine temperature. 454 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: Engine temperature is so critical to catalytic converter operation. A 455 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: week ago, I had a two thousand eight believe it 456 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: was Toyota camera and a seven or eight that had 457 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: a P zero four twenty CAT efficiency fault. And the 458 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: CAT itself had failed because the exhaust flange just before 459 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: the downstream OH two had rotted away an extra oxygen, 460 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: which is another way that catalytic converter efficiency full codes 461 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: get generated um leaking exhaust. So the CAT had to 462 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: be replaced due to mechanical failure to the structural failure. 463 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: It was an exhaust league put a CAT on it 464 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: and reuse the O two is there was no reason 465 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: not to change the or to change and they came 466 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: out fine, and I drove the car and it wouldn't 467 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: set the catalytic converter monitor. I couldn't get it to run. 468 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: And when I thought about it, and I said, that's 469 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: so odd because I know the CAT wasn't working properly 470 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: as a result of the exhaust league that couldn't be repaired. 471 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: I said, what else can do this? Let's look at temperature. Now, 472 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: this particular a car, the cool thermostat opens it approximately 473 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty two degrees if I remember right, 474 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's full bore warmed up around a 475 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: hundred nine. This vehicle was struggling and barely maintaining a 476 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy six degrees and fully warmed up over time. 477 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: It might just make a hundred and eighty two thermostats BED, 478 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: or something's causing the engine not to come up to temperature. 479 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: Went through some tests thermostats BED, put a thermostat in it, 480 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: and now the CAT monitor ran. As soon as the 481 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: temperature got up to eight degrees, I could watch using 482 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: mode six, I could watch how the the the the 483 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: system reacted and within three minutes of hitting that temperature, 484 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: I saw the CAT monitor run. So a thermostat can 485 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: cause it. Exhaust leaks can cause it surely problems with 486 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: the two center, but oh to cents or failures. Generally 487 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: you're measured and tested it other ways. In O B 488 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: D two they will look at performance, they will look 489 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: at um time to close loop. They will look at 490 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: response ratio, how many times acrosses the midpoint. So there 491 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: are other factors to dwell on, and my experiences ben 492 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: O two's are going to be measured as a failure 493 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: in other ways, not necessarily a P zero four The 494 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: point of this is P zero four twenty or P 495 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: zero four thirty cat efficiency fault. You know what, think 496 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: a little outside the box. Yeah, it's it's probably a cat, 497 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: but it can also be other factors contributing to it. 498 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: Oil consumption is another one to just mention before we 499 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: go to before we take the pause, because you've got 500 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: to realize that oil consumption means the engines burning oil. 501 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: It's coding the catalytic converter and the O two sensors 502 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: with oil. It's insulating them from their reaction time. It's 503 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: slowing things down. And that makes the argument for doing 504 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: fuel system cleaning ever so important, because good fuel system 505 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: cleaners will help clean up um on an engine that's 506 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: got oil consumption issues and won't necessarily make it like no, 507 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: but it can help lengthen the life of a vehicle 508 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: that's marginal and perhaps on its way out. Just trying 509 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: to buy some more time. Point of contention, something to 510 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: think about. A five nine zero zero ronin of the 511 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Car Doctor coming back right after this. Um, you know 512 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: where I really messed up this year? Um, I should 513 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: have come out with the car Doctor T shirts before 514 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: Christmas and we could have gotten we could have given 515 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: away for Christmas present. I have to make a note 516 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: to self. I want to get the tar car Doctor 517 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: T shirts ready for spring. Just thinking out a lot 518 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: of folks, I was thinking, you know what have I 519 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: I drive along and I'm thinking what do I need 520 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: to do next? And I'll be kind of what you 521 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: got car Doctor T shirts for those loved ones? No, 522 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any yet, so no letters are fan 523 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: mail please. Um. Speaking of fan mail, here's an email. 524 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: This comes to us from Mark Ron great podcast. I 525 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: have less heat on the driver's side. It is cooler 526 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: than the passenger side. Every placed the heater corps last 527 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: year as a normal maintenance, changed all the hoses, cap 528 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: and thermostatic. No difference I did let it run without 529 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: the cap to burn out the air for a couple 530 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: of hours and had great heat tested it with an 531 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: I R heat gun. I'm out of ideas. Thanks for 532 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: your input. Does anybody want to answer this question? What's 533 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: the one thing that's missing from this email? What kind 534 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: of car is it? He doesn't say, there's nothing here 535 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: that says and I'm looking at this seven times. Um. 536 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: I had Mikey look at it, and he's smarter than 537 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: me because he runs the board with all those buttons 538 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: on it, and he didn't see it either. So Mark, 539 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you tell me what kind of 540 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: car it is, I'll fix the problem for you. This 541 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: comes to us from Andrea. Andrea writes in roun Mi 542 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: Honda court twice has shown low oil pressure indicator, immediately 543 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: went to a gas station, had oil put in. Well. 544 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: But okay, wait, My question is why does the maintenance 545 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: why the maintenance minder, why the English why the maintenance 546 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: minder light did not come on? When I checked the 547 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: trip a it says oil life left, I think is 548 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: what she's trying to tell me. Andrea, First of all, kiddo, UM, 549 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: the low oil pressure indicator doesn't necessarily mean it's out 550 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: of oil. If it's out of oil. If it's out 551 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: of oil, that's right. But you know checking the oil 552 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: and maybe you're saying you check the oil or someone 553 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: check the oil at the gas station, um and they 554 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: had oil put in. The question is how much oil? 555 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: The maintenance light doesn't necessarily tell you that the vehicle 556 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: is low on oil. It's trying to make a calculated 557 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: approximation of when the vehicle is coming due for its 558 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: next oil change, based on operating procedures, how far you're 559 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: going at, what temperatures, how long between warm up, short 560 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: trip driving, long trip driving that thing. It's a calculated 561 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: algorithm based on that the low oil pressure indicator. If 562 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the low oil pressure intercator light came on or the 563 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: gauge red law I'm assuming it's a light, then you 564 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: know you were probably down. On a Honda, you were 565 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: probably down better than three quarts of oil. So the 566 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: real question is is it leaking it three quart oil 567 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: leaks since last oil change. If we want to assume 568 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: a normal time frame of five months, five thousand miles, 569 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're halfway through the life cycle. Since 570 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: it says on the on the trip minder for oil. Um, 571 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: by now the oil should be hitting the back bumper, 572 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: so you know, run your hand along the back edge 573 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: of the we're bumper and if it comes up wet 574 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: with oil, you know how big the leak is. But 575 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: if there is no leak, that cars burning oil, And 576 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: as I said in my previous portion, you're going to 577 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: see that at some point you're gonna reduce catalytic inverter 578 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: life and O two center efficiency because they're gonna become 579 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: coated with oil because it's burning it out the engine. Um, 580 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: you may want to have a mechanic check it out 581 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: and be aware of it and just stay on top 582 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: of oil consumption. But that's not gonna solve the problem. 583 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: It's just going to continue to get worse and evolved. 584 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: James writes in Hey Ron, I've got a two thousand 585 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: one Chevy Malibu three point one leader engine co j C. 586 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: There's a way to write an email. It's right in 587 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the beginning sentence. Right, I've got a two thousand one Malibu. 588 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: The engine has a surge. It is very apparent going 589 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: up hills. I fixed all the vacuum leaks if it's 590 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: deploys and wires, no codes. Do you have any ideas? Thanks? James, Um, Yes, 591 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: let's get out over to Frederick. Now I'm only kidding. 592 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: I'll answer James is um. Uh. First of all, all right, 593 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: codes aren't the defining moment? All right? Uh? You know, 594 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: don't think that. Well, if it has no coach, there's 595 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: no fault. Sometimes we count on coach to give us 596 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: a direction. But there are other things you can do here. 597 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: For example, if you've got a scan tool that reads 598 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: data stream and you feel that this is an engine 599 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: surge and not transmission related, Let's look at fuel trim. 600 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: Where's fuel trim? Fuel trim is probably you know, I 601 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: thank God for fuel trim every day. I can tell 602 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: so much on how that engine is running in terms 603 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: of fuel mixture balance. And you know how happy you're 604 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: unhappy it is based on that. So let's look at 605 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: fuel trim. Let's try driving this. This probably has D 606 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: with a circle and then regular drive and then uh 607 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: to one on the shift indicator. Let's try running in 608 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: in D or at the moment when the surge occurs. 609 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: If we're an overdrive, tap the brake pedal. That'll pop 610 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 1: it out of overdrive. It will change transposition or transgear 611 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: position or lock up on the converter, and it will 612 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: possibly eliminate it. Maybe the trans itself is misbehaving and 613 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: that's what's causing a problem. Last, when you scan it 614 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: for codes, did you scan for codes in O B 615 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: D two only or did you do year make model 616 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: your make models specific. Sometimes you'll see different fault codes there. 617 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: O B D two is a great place to start. 618 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: But when you're looking for a hardcore problem, looking at 619 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: everything is always a great idea. I'm Rondonady in the 620 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: car Doctor zero nine zero. We're back right after this, 621 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: Rondonading in the car Doctor here to'll kind of wind 622 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: things down this hour. Jimmy Johnson's retiring, right eighteen years 623 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: of racing in NASCAR. UM, Jimmy Johnson has announced that 624 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: uh um, he's coming towards the end and after next 625 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: season after he's supposedly gonna hang it up. So you know, um, 626 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: we say thank you for the for the excitement, and 627 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: uh it's been great to watch a legend in the 628 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: making and uh, you know, Jimmy Johnson one more season 629 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: and then on the other side, first Saudi women driver 630 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: to race a car in the Kingdom. Um, in Saudi Arabia. 631 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and say this name correctly. Rema Jufali 632 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: is set to blaze a trail and a male dominated motorsport. 633 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: The article talks about is the first Saudi woman to 634 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: race in the kingdom, which is huge over there because 635 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: women barely had the right to drive, barely had the 636 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: right to you know, do much of anything over there 637 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: except be women in a sense. And uh, um, it's 638 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: nice to see, you know, some trailblazers. Maybe we'll have 639 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Saudi women drivers over here in NASCAR soon to kind 640 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: of edge out Jimmy Johnson and NASCAR, and you know, 641 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: maybe the changing of the guard kind of thing. I'm serious, 642 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: you know what it's it's um, it's it's just an evolution, right, 643 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: Automobiles just continued to evolve and and change society in 644 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: ways that you don't even realize it and until it's 645 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: until it's happened, and um, you know it's it's there's something, 646 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: you know. I keep coming back to the coach of 647 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: Virginia Auto Show last week, and once again I want 648 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: to take a second and just say thank you to 649 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: everyone at AM seven nine d W and I us 650 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: the hospitality the show. Um, you know, in the midst 651 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: of all the chaos that was going on, and there 652 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: was a little bit of chaos going on trying to 653 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: do a radio broadcast in the midst of a of 654 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: an auto show like that, we still got the job 655 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: done and it was it was a team effort and 656 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: uh um, I'm grateful to have had everybody there supporting us. Um. 657 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: You could see the the the the the care and 658 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: the concern of everybody, Um to enjoy the show, but 659 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: that the show was a success, and you know, it 660 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: really was Americana. I've been to sporting events and I'm 661 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: not trying to you know, downplay. You know, you go 662 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: to a football game and there are some unruly fans. 663 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. You go to a baseball game, there's 664 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: some unruly fans. You know, at a car show. What 665 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: I witnessed at the Coastal Virginia Auto Show, everybody was there. 666 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: There was there was no preconceived attitudes. Everybody was glad 667 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: to answer questions. Everybody was proud of their accomplishment. Uh. 668 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: The general then with the split Pea Green Monte Carlos, 669 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: you know he was it was an older fellow, but 670 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: you could see that was that was his pride and joy. 671 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: The people that were watching the Duisenberg, they knew what 672 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: they had, They knew it was a piece of cultural history. Um, 673 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: much beyond the value. Okay. The people and the armed 674 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: forces that were there representing our armed forces, thank you 675 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: for your service. Um everyone everyone just helped make it 676 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: a great show and we were glad to be part 677 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: of that and very grateful. I'm Ronandi in the car doctor, 678 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: reminding you once again good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 679 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: Let's see you