Speaker 1: Hi, how Beauty transa.
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 3: Hi, Hey, welcome back to another episode.
Speaker 2: Of Beauty Tramp.
Speaker 1: I just I just got back from the vocal seminization surgery.
Speaker 3: Your voice cut out there for a second. That was crazy.
Speaker 4: They did a.
Speaker 3: Quick snip and was sent me on my way and
Speaker 3: she's all the better for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel great.
Speaker 3: Can you like belt us a tune really quick?
Speaker 1: I'm on too many purpose that the surgery is very,
Speaker 1: very very painful. I don't tell you that.
Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like it was.
Speaker 1: They don't tell you what it was a success.
Speaker 4: That sounds like. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't have insurance, so they could
Speaker 1: they could take it back at any moment.
Speaker 3: They could come reap you, repell your vocal cords.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what if they just burst.
Speaker 2: Open up, open up this. We're gonna we're gonna know
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 4: They talked about place they took your vocal surgery. What
Speaker 4: have they done to our girl.
Speaker 5: Worse?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said we're gonna actually make it worse this time.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think this was kind of just
Speaker 4: how I sounded before. I think so too.
Speaker 3: Well, Jamie, I'm really excited about today's episode we're going
Speaker 3: to be discussing electoral politics in the United States, particularly
Speaker 3: the Southern United States.
Speaker 4: Let me clear my let me clear my throat. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 4: I had a hair ball. Handball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the show, the actual show that we're here for.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, today we're we have on the
Speaker 3: pod a friend of Janey's. We're discussing the American electoral politics.
Speaker 2: Wait, you gotta say the thing, Harmon, You got to
Speaker 2: say friend of the show, a friend of the show,
Speaker 2: not just not just a friend of me, a friend
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 4: It's true. He is a friend of the show.
Speaker 3: And he is quite cute too, you know, I will say, Okay, John,
Speaker 3: all right, we thought you were you were cute, So
Speaker 3: all right, let's.
Speaker 2: Go, let's go, let's go play. Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that we should comment on our guests our
Speaker 2: looks more often.
Speaker 3: I think we should. We really should. No, I think
Speaker 3: we should call them ugly when they're okay, yeah, we should.
Speaker 3: We should start doing that dirty horror. Today we have
Speaker 3: an ugly guest on the pod.
Speaker 2: Today, we have an ugly horror on the show to
Speaker 2: talk about what it's like to be an ugly.
Speaker 3: Horror and the difficulties that come along with that. But no,
Speaker 3: Josh is not just cute, he's also very very smart.
Speaker 3: You know him by editger Mintim iner Mintum on.
Speaker 2: All of the things, that's inermentum. I know, it's very
Speaker 2: hard for as inermental.
Speaker 4: It's in mintm.
Speaker 2: That's inermental.
Speaker 3: They need to put that in the Kim Gordon bye
Speaker 3: by side. And I can't tell if it's at ensurementum.
Speaker 2: That just sounds like phonetically you guys, let me say
Speaker 2: something about mentum. Uh, he's a guy, he's a he's
Speaker 2: a man. Yeah, he's a man. We got a man
Speaker 2: on the show today, a.
Speaker 4: SIS man on the pod today. Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for our listeners that are the kind to
Speaker 2: like spray paint bathrooms with like SIS people, go home,
Speaker 2: hold your hold your gay little horses for one second.
Speaker 2: Ed Insermentum is a man who's done a lot of
Speaker 2: very good writing about uh trans politics and is someone
Speaker 2: that I wanted to have on the show to give
Speaker 2: us a very kind of more grounded, sober, sober eyed
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very facts over feelings.
Speaker 3: Look at we're facts of feelings here at Beauty Translator.
Speaker 2: Truly like messy, horrendous world of trans politics. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that we've kind of avoided talking
Speaker 2: about on this show, just not not because we're scaredy
Speaker 2: cats of of political themes, but because we do want
Speaker 2: to make the show. Yeah, we want We don't want
Speaker 2: to be doomers. We want to have a fun show.
Speaker 2: I want to be fun for everyone. So this will
Speaker 2: be the show that is. And it's not it's not
Speaker 2: just fun because it is fun, but it's also really
Speaker 2: really smart. And I've liked this kind of ebb and
Speaker 2: flow we've had of having, like you know, like shows, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a two IQ episode and then a five thousand
Speaker 2: IQ episode, So so put your Yeah, this one broke
Speaker 2: the IQ thermometer. It's it's hot, it's spicy, and I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of it. It's very it's another very very
Speaker 2: good episode for you guys. So if you're got your
Speaker 2: your electoral hat on, if you like, if you like graphs,
Speaker 2: you like data data, yeah, yeah, if you Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have with us Daddy data.
Speaker 3: Daddy Data is here to lay down the law, to.
Speaker 2: Tell us, So what's going up, what's going down, who's in,
Speaker 2: who's out?
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's good. It's a good combo.
Speaker 6: So it is.
Speaker 3: And I will say, Janey, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: felt this way. I mean I left this interview with
Speaker 3: Josh feeling a lot more hopeful about the prospect of
Speaker 3: trans politics. At least of course, we still have a
Speaker 3: huge problem with rising fascism in the.
Speaker 4: United States, but yeah, I would agree. So get ready to.
Speaker 3: Listen to our interview with Josh at Indermentum, the guy
Speaker 3: who correctly predicted the twenty twenty two election results. So yeah,
Speaker 3: let's get into it.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is like opposite day to our
Speaker 2: episode with Hesse, where we had like a fun day
Speaker 2: talking about investigation, key weird trans stuff and transvestigation, and
Speaker 2: now we're having a somber day where we reflect on
Speaker 2: where we're at as a society. Yeah, and we're doing
Speaker 2: that with our friends of the show at Injerumentum, who
Speaker 2: is a subsidis Josh twitch streamer, podcaster. I think I've
Speaker 2: got all those things, unless there's something else you want
Speaker 2: to have On.
Speaker 5: Twit like a year, but I'm going to go back
Speaker 5: once I have more time.
Speaker 4: Cool Cool.
Speaker 2: We wanted to catch up with you because you have
Speaker 2: written some excellent stuff on substack about trans legislation and stuff,
Speaker 2: And I want to just say at the top that
Speaker 2: like this is something that we don't touch on a
Speaker 2: lot specifically because like last season, like when Carmen would
Speaker 2: have me on like as a guest and we would
Speaker 2: like try to talk about this stuff, like it just
Speaker 2: became very like heavy and very like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: we want to mostly like make this like a fun show.
Speaker 2: And I still think this episode will be fun, but
Speaker 2: like I just find myself not having too much to
Speaker 2: say about it, Like I only want to touch on
Speaker 2: this stuff if there's like something tangible that we can
Speaker 2: do or if there's something funny.
Speaker 5: I absolutely agree. Yeah, I only write about it after
Speaker 5: there had been like a set of notable results. I
Speaker 5: don't like kind of dwelling on it or repeating myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's that's one thing I appreciate about your
Speaker 4: writing is that.
Speaker 2: It feels I don't know, like it's it's just it's
Speaker 2: so doomor like it's such a doom Leyden kind of
Speaker 2: like atmosphere. We talked about how like last Pride month
Speaker 2: was like the most depressing Pride month ever. You know,
Speaker 2: you had like fucking like face tattoo trappers, like like
Speaker 2: making like harassment campaigns against like targets, and like there
Speaker 2: was just the bud light stuff.
Speaker 4: There was just like a.
Speaker 3: Headline after headline of like shitty things like going on
Speaker 3: with transit people in gay people.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like with with your writing, you
Speaker 2: you provide some necessary contexts that, like, I mean, in
Speaker 2: particular the one that you made last year about how
Speaker 2: this is a very like losing strategy and you're one
Speaker 2: of the few people to kind of sound the alarm
Speaker 2: that this is not a viable, like political strategy, even
Speaker 2: if it does stoke up some fervor in the like
Speaker 2: right wing base.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of the main thesis I have it.
Speaker 5: Like there's two parts of it. What is this is
Speaker 5: an elite project. It's not like some mass public response
Speaker 5: to this. This is really being cooked up by a
Speaker 5: sort of class of media figures and political kind of
Speaker 5: consultants and think tanks, and it has been kind of
Speaker 5: transposed from on top to the bottom, which is I
Speaker 5: think that's an important distinction, because people I think can
Speaker 5: be scared of this is some kind of natural reaction.
Speaker 5: There's obviously a constituency for it people are bigoted, a
Speaker 5: homophobics and transfers. But this wasn't like a natural public
Speaker 5: response to like anything that was going on. It was
Speaker 5: you can track this just going into like the first
Speaker 5: article that I wrote, you can track it very clearly
Speaker 5: to the end of gay marriage is a political wedge issue,
Speaker 5: very like the decade from like the mid twentusands to
Speaker 5: mid twenty tens when gay marriage went from being pretty
Speaker 5: unpopular to a super majority position that everybody agreed with,
Speaker 5: and that left the right without like a very necessary
Speaker 5: tool for them to kind of divide people and get
Speaker 5: them on their side, like they did in elections of
Speaker 5: the early two thousands. So they go to trans stuff,
Speaker 5: like in transphobia, not because there's some huge public backlash,
Speaker 5: not because there's anything that trans people are necessarily doing,
Speaker 5: but because it's like they see it as the next
Speaker 5: best option. It's kind of like a tactical retreat and
Speaker 5: finding a new enemy to go after. But it's not
Speaker 5: nearly as well considered as the anti gay stuff. It's
Speaker 5: very hasty, and you see time and time again that
Speaker 5: like it doesn't like convince people, and it like it's
Speaker 5: another big point that I think is important to make
Speaker 5: is that I don't want to say that people are
Speaker 5: necessarily very like anti transphobic or necessarily pro trands. It's
Speaker 5: just an issue they don't really think about all that often,
Speaker 5: So they're not going to go out of their way
Speaker 5: to be anti trans. They're probably not going to go
Speaker 5: out of their way to be really pro and either.
Speaker 5: It's just that they're going to be alienated by the
Speaker 5: side that talks about it the most instead of the
Speaker 5: issues that they actually care about. So you can correlate
Speaker 5: this obsession with the issue to a very poor electoral
Speaker 5: track record.
Speaker 4: For sure, it's fake and in other words, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: That's that's been a longstanding beauty translated truth is that
Speaker 2: like most people are just indifference. Like most people, like
Speaker 2: if you ask like a stranger on the street, like
Speaker 2: they're just indifferent. They don't particularly they might like at worse,
Speaker 2: like think like it's kind of weird or they don't
Speaker 2: understand it. And to be honest, I think that's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. I don't need people to
Speaker 2: like understand the ins and outs of how a trans
Speaker 2: person feels.
Speaker 4: I don't need to explain like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Born in the wrong body, like I don't care, Like
Speaker 2: I would much rather have someone just be like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, the the Berita that I see every morning
Speaker 2: has weird hair and the and the pen that says
Speaker 2: she hers, So I guess she's nice.
Speaker 4: She makes a good Americano.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm like as assist straight person, I
Speaker 5: can't say, like, I understand that's why I'm not trans,
Speaker 5: but like it's not like my thing. But that's kind
Speaker 5: of where I'm at.
Speaker 3: Some I think that you do you yeah, yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: I mean it's and I think that's part of the
Speaker 3: reason why it becomes well for me, I in my mind,
Speaker 3: why we we become the next easiest target because people
Speaker 3: are so ambivalent in the sense like they could like
Speaker 3: most people really don't know that many trans people or care.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously now more people know trans people than
Speaker 3: they did before, but most people aren't thinking about these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's also absolutely a thing that like,
Speaker 2: I don't know really like hurts. The like anti trans
Speaker 2: like movement is that nowadays most people I don't know
Speaker 2: about most people, but a lot of people at least
Speaker 2: know a trans person. They have someone in their life
Speaker 2: and their family at their work, you know, like I
Speaker 2: work in public, like I work in like restaurants and
Speaker 2: shot and I've had a lot of people like say
Speaker 2: to me that, like they I'm like the first transperson
Speaker 2: they've worked with.
Speaker 4: And I'd say, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting because like it's good for
Speaker 2: it's it's good for me, and it's good for all
Speaker 2: of us because I'm like really really cool. So like
Speaker 2: if I'm the first trans person that they know, then
Speaker 2: they're gonna think all trans people are really dope.
Speaker 4: Really really cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, really really dope with a lot of flag
Speaker 5: and cool. Yeah, this is a very old poll, but
Speaker 5: like one of the more striking results that I found
Speaker 5: when I was doing this, the first thing that I
Speaker 5: talked about in my first article that is, I think
Speaker 5: you could say as a genesis for like this whole
Speaker 5: political saga was the twenty sixteen North Carolina governor's race.
Speaker 5: So just north of us, those losers out there, there
Speaker 5: was one who first started this and tar heels.
Speaker 2: What the is that? Yeah, it's like if you clean
Speaker 2: your clean your boots, they got tar all over them.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, And it's like a racist name shoes, anything
Speaker 5: going on it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't even know the etymology of that, but it's
Speaker 4: it's always.
Speaker 5: The anemology is actually from the Civil War there was
Speaker 5: a North Carolina like regiment that was commanded by General
Speaker 5: Stonewall Jackson, and they did not retreat during a battle.
Speaker 5: They said, oh, they have tar heels. So yeah, so
Speaker 5: it's it's a racist background thought with.
Speaker 3: The Native American tribes that like use that as like
Speaker 3: early shoes.
Speaker 4: It's so stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, no, they would use they would use like
Speaker 3: they would cover their feet and.
Speaker 4: The bottoms are there.
Speaker 5: Actually you actually I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, all right, we can't cut that out
Speaker 2: now because he's right. I feel like that would get
Speaker 2: Really this is like.
Speaker 3: We're at trivia and like and like we had submitted
Speaker 3: Josh's answer and then my answer was the right answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then the most insane person at the table's the
Speaker 2: right answer.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It was it was related to like or people
Speaker 5: having actual like tar or rast on their yes.
Speaker 4: So that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, I love I love that the gay people got
Speaker 2: it right because it has to deal with fashion.
Speaker 4: Fashion, and now we have LIBERTONI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were saying, uh, Carolina, Yeah, what the
Speaker 2: fuck happened in North Carolina.
Speaker 5: So North Carolina became like so after twenty ten. In
Speaker 5: the twenty ten elections, Republicans had a lot of victories
Speaker 5: in a lot of states, and they used the very
Speaker 5: kind of loose electoralized in a lot of these states
Speaker 5: to basically establish themselves in power forever. Like this happened
Speaker 5: in Wisconsin and North Carolina and Kansas, so they basically
Speaker 5: were totally immune from any voter backs. Lastly, apps were
Speaker 5: raun guarantee that they would have state legislative majorities like
Speaker 5: no matter what, no matter what the electric results were.
Speaker 5: So they started looking at certain states as a laboratory
Speaker 5: like laboratories for right wing policies, and they used different
Speaker 5: kinds of policy regimes in different states. Like in Kansas,
Speaker 5: they greatly lowered the tax rates and it became like
Speaker 5: their laboratory for low taxes. It was a complete disaster.
Speaker 5: Actually it has Democrat governor now because of it. It
Speaker 5: like really damaged their party there. But North Carolina was
Speaker 5: their state for social policies. So when the Republicans took
Speaker 5: a trifecta gi trifectas when you have the governorship and
Speaker 5: both houses of the state legislator, you have total power
Speaker 5: in the state. They started like passing really draconian right
Speaker 5: wing social policies. They did voting restrictions, they were puilt
Speaker 5: civil rights laws, they did voter It was like this
Speaker 5: was where they were doing it. So the local municipality
Speaker 5: is in North Carolina, which are more bar and left wing,
Speaker 5: started like saying, Okay, we got to check what these
Speaker 5: guys are going to do next. We have to prepare
Speaker 5: for this. And the Charlotte City Council decided that they
Speaker 5: would pass an ordnance that would protect gender identity in
Speaker 5: Mecklenberg County or the city of Charlotte. And this I
Speaker 5: don't think that had actually changed anythink it was just
Speaker 5: like a preemptive kind of maneuver. But it took a
Speaker 5: rose the sailing to the issue to the North Carolina
Speaker 5: legislator and they totally freaked out and they overreacted by
Speaker 5: saying that like like those types of not only could
Speaker 5: those types of protections not be passed, but every county
Speaker 5: in the state had to follow by a new right
Speaker 5: wing policy where trans people couldn't go to the bathrooms
Speaker 5: that assign that matched with their gender identity. This was
Speaker 5: the first bathroom bill, and it became a huge issue
Speaker 5: in North Carolina in twenty sixteen because this was very
Speaker 5: early on and people looked at this and they just
Speaker 5: saw it his blatant discrimination, like it was just going
Speaker 5: after like they couldn't understand it. And companies, many of
Speaker 5: whom had transgender employees, were looking at they were like, well,
Speaker 5: we can't send our employees to this state. We can't
Speaker 5: do that. It discriminates against them. So a lot of
Speaker 5: companies in twenty sixteen started canceling projects in North Carolina
Speaker 5: because it was totally new and it costs North Carolina
Speaker 5: four billion dollars. And that's just the projects we know
Speaker 5: were canceled. There are probably a lot that were considered
Speaker 5: but weren't done in the state because of that. So
Speaker 5: this bill becomes incredibly unpopular because it's seen as discriminatory
Speaker 5: because it has a huge economic impact. And in May
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, CNN had a national poll and they found
Speaker 5: that sixty percent of people nationally opposed the North Carolina
Speaker 5: bathroom bills, where they forced trans people to go to
Speaker 5: the bathrooms that didn't match with their identities. And this
Speaker 5: was despite eighty five percent of people on the survey
Speaker 5: said they had never met a transgender person before, which
Speaker 5: really surprised people involved in this because they assumed that
Speaker 5: people had to know people. Hey, marriage, sir.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's easier to discriminate against
Speaker 2: someone if you've if you're never met of someone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know background.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But this policy was inpopular despite that, Like people
Speaker 5: just saw the discrimination and they disapproved of it. So
Speaker 5: what happens in North Carolina is that this becomes sort
Speaker 5: of an albatross around the neck of the governor there,
Speaker 5: who in twenty twelve was elected in a landslide victory,
Speaker 5: Pat McCrory. He's the former mayor of Charlotte. Seems this
Speaker 5: mot already was very popular, but he faces a challenge
Speaker 5: from the state attorney general there, Roy Cooper, and Cooper
Speaker 5: makes the bathroom building a huge deal. He says like
Speaker 5: he won't enforce the law in his capacity as attorney general,
Speaker 5: which is a huge kind of like taking a big
Speaker 5: stand on that. He says that he'll repeal it, and Cooper,
Speaker 5: as a result of this, goes from trailing in the
Speaker 5: polls to leading in nearly every single survey. And what
Speaker 5: happens at the end of twenty sixteen is that Trump
Speaker 5: ends up winning North Carolina solidly, the Republican centator there
Speaker 5: ends up winning even more, but Cooper ends up winning
Speaker 5: his race as a Democrat by a very small margin.
Speaker 5: So there were tens of thousands of Trump voters who
Speaker 5: wanted against their own party in the governor's race over
Speaker 5: trans issues. And this is an immediate sign that people
Speaker 5: are not like fucking with this kind of attack, and
Speaker 5: like that's kind of the first kind of confrontation of this,
Speaker 5: and at least Republicans that back off the issue for
Speaker 5: a number of years and they only like there's kind
Speaker 5: of a quiet like from twenty seventeen to about twenty nineteen,
Speaker 5: and they only really start getting like crazy about it
Speaker 5: again around twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: It's about kids and or that's the kind of the
Speaker 3: way in on these issues is about kids in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, this was something we me and you talked
Speaker 2: about a long time ago, also about how it seems
Speaker 2: very like difficult to like fight against because like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like like protecting the children, like it's something
Speaker 2: very like personal to people, Like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: shifting the framework because it's like no we're not being
Speaker 2: bigoted against you. You are enforcing this thing on our
Speaker 2: kids and you're mutilating them and and doctrinating them.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it makes sense, you know, it feels like
Speaker 5: it would be compelling. But what's remarkable is that, like
Speaker 5: I actually tracked this, you can find when they shift
Speaker 5: the messaging and they explicitly say in the articles at
Speaker 5: the time that this is a change in messaging on
Speaker 5: the issue. We're moving away from bathroom bills. That was
Speaker 5: a flop.
Speaker 4: Wow, this is this is over, Like I mean, bathroom
Speaker 4: bill is sinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're saying that they're not doing that
Speaker 5: anymore and that they're moving on to the kids and
Speaker 5: sports stuff because they say explicitly that it pulls better.
Speaker 5: They say that they can the messaging and that the
Speaker 5: kids and so this is a track this.
Speaker 2: No I've heard this before, that like the bathroom bill flopped,
Speaker 2: so like they kind of like did more of a
Speaker 2: census and saw that Americans care like the most about
Speaker 2: like this this abstract idea of like fairness, yea, and
Speaker 2: what's more fair than like a sport, you know, And
Speaker 2: so that like like threatening like the idea of like
Speaker 2: competition and like sports. It's like, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: kind of like threatens like the American ideal that like
Speaker 2: you can achieve if you try, and like I don't know,
Speaker 2: sports are emblematic of that.
Speaker 4: YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: But yeah, what you're saying is that they like they
Speaker 2: the bathroom mill was too stinky and no one latched
Speaker 2: onto that. But fairness and sports because everyone obviously cares
Speaker 2: about women's high school sports, if Americans care about anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just said that they changed the strategy. I
Speaker 5: didn't say that it worked because it's still good. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is the big reveal here. So the race that
Speaker 5: they tried this out in is the Kentucky governor's race
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen. This is Kentucky. This is a very
Speaker 5: conservative stand is one of Trump's best states in the
Speaker 5: entire country. It is North Carolina, it's a little more purple.
Speaker 5: This is extremely conservative. If culture war messaging is going
Speaker 5: to work anywhere, it's going to work in Kentucky. No
Speaker 5: offense to Kentucky's But I think you know what's going
Speaker 5: on there, like you know better than me. Yeah, But
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, the Republican governor there is once again
Speaker 5: very unpopular he's trailing in the polls to Andy Bascher,
Speaker 5: who will think I'm going to bring up a lot
Speaker 5: over the course of this episode. He's a pretty major
Speaker 5: character here. Bascher is like a very kind of old,
Speaker 5: like very kind of dying to read kind of Democrat.
Speaker 5: His father was the governor of the state, he was
Speaker 5: the state attorney general. He like has a kind of
Speaker 5: appeal to like white rural conservatives that other Democrats just
Speaker 5: don't have. Now, so Bisher is actually contending for the
Speaker 5: Kentucky's governor's races. It's like a pretty big deal, and
Speaker 5: Republicans are scrambling to kind of save this and they
Speaker 5: bring in this organization called the American Principles Project, and
Speaker 5: these guys like come up constantly in this story. They're
Speaker 5: like one of the leading groups for this kind of
Speaker 5: anti trends messaging. Like the guy like who runs it
Speaker 5: is the world's biggest viapper of all time. He talks
Speaker 5: to everybody. He just like tries to sound cool and
Speaker 5: he always get yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I have not
Speaker 5: seen this guy to cline a mediator, but he is
Speaker 5: a lunatic and it creates these great anecdotes. So he
Speaker 5: this guy Terry shilling. He shows up, he's like, we're
Speaker 5: gonna save Matt Bevin, the Republican. We're gonna win this race,
Speaker 5: and we're gonna do it by attacking the cher on
Speaker 5: being pro trends in girls' sports. And they say that
Speaker 5: like this is gonna like save the race for Bevin.
Speaker 5: But he loses. He loses the race.
Speaker 2: It's so it's just so silly, like yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like like literally saying the sentence like we're going to
Speaker 2: hinge this race on high school women's sports.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And yeah, wow. Another thing I'm kind of like realizing,
Speaker 2: like as I was like kind of like rereading some
Speaker 2: of your articles this morning, a lot of this like
Speaker 2: it's just like very mean spirited, and I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of people really like realize like yeah, like sure,
Speaker 2: the because I've had trouble a while kind of like
Speaker 2: finding the reverse uno to the like we're targeting your
Speaker 2: kids and it's like you're bullying children. You're making laws
Speaker 2: to like prevent one high schooler in Nebraska from prevent
Speaker 2: from playing tennis.
Speaker 5: Well that is actually I'm not to go on to
Speaker 5: this is a bit like this is four years later.
Speaker 5: But so what happens immediately after this is the Scherling
Speaker 5: says that, like, oh, we lost the race, but it
Speaker 5: was a victory. What we flipped x amount of votes
Speaker 5: for Bevin. We know this for sure based on our pulling,
Speaker 5: this city is going to win. But they insist that,
Speaker 5: like they like were really successful and they nearly save
Speaker 5: the race room and they go on and they like
Speaker 5: get some more influenced. The Trump campaign is actually very
Speaker 5: wary of it. They try to do kind of a
Speaker 5: pro gay like kind of yeah there was a flag, yeah,
Speaker 5: but that was in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. He
Speaker 5: had like Trump bride hats.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I remember that. I remember the gays
Speaker 3: for Trump people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, bride rallies were like they're saying that immigrants are
Speaker 5: trying to kill our gay people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Christian Walker went to one of them, I want
Speaker 3: to say, yeah in Lah Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So they were trying this angle and it doesn't work obviously,
Speaker 5: Like they're trying to like kind of split the trans
Speaker 5: community from the A community, and they're just like no show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the LGB without the tea. It's like, yeah, they're like.
Speaker 5: Nobody dies into that, Like it's been LGBT forever. Stop
Speaker 5: trying to change it.
Speaker 4: I feel like that could only work in fucking Britain.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like oh yes, I don't know, Like my
Speaker 2: I hate like if you are one of those gay
Speaker 2: people who's like I don't fuck with trans people like
Speaker 2: you just you don't go outside, Like there's no way
Speaker 2: like you can like go to like gay bars the
Speaker 2: like interact with your community and like just straight up
Speaker 2: be like yeah, but I hate trans people like you
Speaker 2: just sound like a fucking loser, like growth, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a quote on this. Let me
Speaker 5: try to find it.
Speaker 2: A loser with no friends, Yeah, a loser with no friends.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's they like these NGOs that are run by
Speaker 5: like pro equality stuff like just said, like you're just
Speaker 5: trying to separate us from that. We're not going to
Speaker 5: buy into that. It's clearly a.
Speaker 4: Scheme, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's only something that exists online. They
Speaker 2: just can't be people that go outside and interact with.
Speaker 5: This is the online stuff is an overriding theme. So
Speaker 5: what happens is that, like so Terry Shearing comes back,
Speaker 5: the app comes in, They're like, oh, the Trump campaign
Speaker 5: doesn't want us to do the anti trans stuff. They're
Speaker 5: trying to be woke, but we're going to do it anyways.
Speaker 5: So he really starts sending like thousands of texts saying
Speaker 5: that Biden wants to do sex changes of seventy year olds.
Speaker 5: It doesn't work. Yeah, none of the states that he
Speaker 5: targets actually vote read. So usually this would be like
Speaker 5: a like a terrible like it's over for him. He
Speaker 5: tried twice and it just isn't working, like it's joker
Speaker 5: for Terry shilling. But what happens after twenty twenty is
Speaker 5: the results are a lot closer than people thought they
Speaker 5: would be. So Democratic strategists freaked out, like they have
Speaker 5: a complete meltdown. They're like, we were too woke. The
Speaker 5: wokeness is killing us. We were supposed to beat Trump
Speaker 5: by ten points, but we only beat them by five.
Speaker 5: This is a catastrophe. We have to be less woke.
Speaker 5: And that gives a lot of fodder to these anti
Speaker 5: trans groups that are kind of struggling for funds and
Speaker 5: contention where they can quote like Democratic strategists saying that,
Speaker 5: like all these guys know exactly what they're doing. They
Speaker 5: nearly won the election. They're geniuses. They're killing us. They're
Speaker 5: going to win every seat for the next fifty years,
Speaker 5: so that gives them a huge lease on life. And
Speaker 5: this is after January sixth, where Trump is kind of
Speaker 5: in the background and like there's a huge kind of
Speaker 5: crisis of identity with Republicans, and this is the context
Speaker 5: in which the anti trans stuff really takes off because
Speaker 5: it hits all of the boxes. It provides them with
Speaker 5: a new kind of message they hadn't really tried nationally before.
Speaker 5: It promises them that they're going to start winning elections
Speaker 5: again using it, and it like it's a big thing,
Speaker 5: and they like being biggest, so they just it's like
Speaker 5: it's perfect for them. So in around and then like
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one, they really luck out because in Virginia,
Speaker 5: when Glenn Youngkin, who is a very strong candidate in
Speaker 5: his own right, benefits from the collapse of Afghanistan happening
Speaker 5: right before the election in Virginia by his approval rating tanks,
Speaker 5: he shoots up in the polls and he wins very
Speaker 5: He runs by about two points in Virginia on a
Speaker 5: platform the kind of pioneered the anti trans stuff that
Speaker 5: was that is to the state their most significant victory.
Speaker 5: That is, you can't take that away from them. I
Speaker 5: guess like that was pretty impressive. I mean like like
Speaker 5: the Virginia was a Biden plus ten state, like we
Speaker 5: managed to win, like sure, but what people missed a
Speaker 5: lot is that that was just one part of a
Speaker 5: larger overall message that cast him as a moderate. He
Speaker 5: didn't run as a he wasn't perceived as a culture warrior.
Speaker 5: But then in twenty twenty two, they all try to
Speaker 5: imitate him. They don't do it the way, they don't
Speaker 5: have the yunkin riz and it flops years.
Speaker 2: Yeah that, yeah, I do want to ask though, like
Speaker 2: even if it's not winning like like races, what do
Speaker 2: you make of like all of the kind of like
Speaker 2: individual like legislation that goes around Like like this was
Speaker 2: something we kind of like touched on maybe before we
Speaker 2: were recording, but like, uh, like Car like used to
Speaker 2: bring up to me like I used.
Speaker 3: To you know, I used to cover like every week.
Speaker 3: I thought like, oh, you know, I'll just like cover
Speaker 3: trans news, and then that became very very depressing because
Speaker 3: every week it's just like different. It's just like I'm
Speaker 3: basically just like screaming, like ah, and it's like nothing
Speaker 3: to do about that. It's really just creating a bunch
Speaker 3: more fear in the trans community, which is I feel
Speaker 3: like half of the tactic there. But we are still
Speaker 3: I mean that being said, I keep seeing people say
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty four has had more anti trans bills
Speaker 3: introduced than twenty twenty three, But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Bill and productions aren't really a good way to track
Speaker 5: this in my opinion. Anybody can introduce a bill doesn't
Speaker 5: mean they's pass It's just it's a way for people
Speaker 5: who want fundraising their virtue signal, like, oh I introduced
Speaker 5: the kill trans, people like, give me donation so I
Speaker 5: can get it past or somebody like like most of
Speaker 5: them are in blue stage any chance of passing or
Speaker 5: just trying to get flout right right.
Speaker 2: You also touched on something kind of interesting with the
Speaker 2: North Carolina bathroom bill thing and how it lost them
Speaker 2: a lot of money. And I feel like the sad
Speaker 2: fact a lot of the failures of this and you
Speaker 2: see this with our with our boy mister ron Dion
Speaker 2: desantas Loss who took a huge l fighting against Disney,
Speaker 2: woke Disney right, and now.
Speaker 4: They're brainwashing the kids, grooming the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like I can't help but think that
Speaker 2: a big reason why he's lost and all. A big
Speaker 2: reason a lot of this loss is because like when
Speaker 2: like bigotry is one thing, you know, but when it
Speaker 2: starts actually hurting the pockets of the people who actually
Speaker 2: run this country, that's when the politicians are going to lose.
Speaker 2: Like that, Like I feel like if the bigotry could
Speaker 2: just come off like without any you know, financial losses,
Speaker 2: they'd probably get away with a lot easier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: It's a weird mix of it because like even when
Speaker 5: they started, they are starting to bring the bathroom bills
Speaker 5: back that has occurred in recent years. But like it's
Speaker 5: I don't think that every state that has passed anti
Speaker 5: trend stuff is necessarily passed a bathroom bill. Not everybody
Speaker 5: really gets ahead of themselves, like the way that some
Speaker 5: states like Orida have done. It's one thing when you're
Speaker 5: trying to make like the businesses themselves obviously is the
Speaker 5: spectrum of business or cowardly on this and don't really
Speaker 5: care about the actual rights, Like who would have thought,
Speaker 5: But it was easy for them to make an example
Speaker 5: out of one state. But when it's like half the
Speaker 5: country's passionate stuff. They kind of just like whatever, like
Speaker 5: we can't like doing this type of thing for fifty
Speaker 5: percent of America. So like that was never a long
Speaker 5: term strategy. It was helpful that like it helped defeat
Speaker 5: them and like give them a big black eye. But
Speaker 5: what ry Cooper did was very unique. But I did
Speaker 5: show that, like, when faced with even the smallest bit
Speaker 5: of material consequences, people are going to go out of
Speaker 5: their way to be anti trans if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right, right.
Speaker 2: That's kind of why the Target and bud Light situations
Speaker 2: kind of stuck out to me because like I feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like capitulating to the right
Speaker 2: wing in that regard in the way that both of
Speaker 2: those companies did was so like counterintuitive because like if
Speaker 2: they just I don't know, like if they if they
Speaker 2: said nothing, I don't think anything would have happened and
Speaker 2: it would have just blown over. And also they could
Speaker 2: have taken like another route entirely where they were like
Speaker 2: hell yeah, bud Lights the gay beer, and then like
Speaker 2: every like liberal in the world would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: two bud Lights for me, you know, like like they
Speaker 2: would buy it. Extra harder because everything.
Speaker 4: In this country is so it's it's just I mean,
Speaker 4: you had bud Light for your cookout, Jane, I did?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 2: Because it was their weepest serious I did.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I was selling Lope beers for two dollars. It is
Speaker 2: because it was the cheapest one to buy at Costco.
Speaker 2: They were very I guess that was a good thing,
Speaker 2: and mid bud Life very cheap.
Speaker 4: And then they they.
Speaker 3: Bounced back with like the Camo packaging or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah right, but it was so easy to
Speaker 5: do business in this country.
Speaker 4: Like who was who was that fucking dumbass that it was?
Speaker 2: The Was it the Daily Wire guy that tried to
Speaker 2: make uh woke woke candy bars.
Speaker 5: Or that's a Daily Wire thing they do? Stupid?
Speaker 2: They did woke beer, didn't they do a woke beer?
Speaker 5: Anti woke beer?
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm sorry anti woke beer.
Speaker 5: There was one Trump hat that he sold in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty that just said woke on it. It was like
Speaker 5: a Plexit type thing. But like they are, they might
Speaker 5: have claimed woke.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, they claiming the reclaiming, reclaiming woke.
Speaker 2: I like imagining like a like a doctor strange love
Speaker 2: like scene or like Peter selling like Trump should go woke.
Speaker 5: They tried doing that in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Literally, yes, I wanted to ask you a little bit
Speaker 3: about Georgia for a second. I mean, Georgia is unique obviously,
Speaker 3: like it's probably the most blue state in the South,
Speaker 3: I would guess.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you have this.
Speaker 5: Point Virginia, which I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're so far up there.
Speaker 5: No way, they're all in the DC suburbs, is not,
Speaker 5: You're not real.
Speaker 4: There are They're the Richmond north of French Literally are
Speaker 4: this hounds? To me is like the Bible Belt And
Speaker 4: that's a I'm sorry North Carolina, Yes exactly, but no,
Speaker 4: so like.
Speaker 3: Georgia, you know, so okay, what's unique about all of
Speaker 3: this to me? Like from my perspective is I know
Speaker 3: that like trans people, out of all the places in
Speaker 3: the United States, we majority of trans people live in
Speaker 3: the Southeast United States?
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 4: That is true?
Speaker 5: That like the census South? Is it like a plurality
Speaker 5: or a majority? God, he's like plarity. It's the most
Speaker 5: of a group of under fifty percent.
Speaker 4: Let me look, let me look, Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: didn't go to college.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, yeah, I think it's because a plurality of
Speaker 5: people who've been in the South that's defined by the census.
Speaker 4: But there's like a I mean, we got a lot
Speaker 4: of faggots down here for okay.
Speaker 3: Williams Institute. Yeah, this is from the Williams Institute. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to drop the image and you helped
Speaker 3: me decipher this. Okay, this is from I think twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a plurality, but it's like the more trench
Speaker 5: people live there than any other area. Yeah, you can
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. It's probably because like you know, those.
Speaker 5: Are the census regions. It includes like everything from Maryland
Speaker 5: to Florida.
Speaker 2: So okay, it's just okay, I could see like the
Speaker 2: South is like it's like desolate and boring and like
Speaker 2: you know, you're like alone on your farm and all
Speaker 2: you have to do is like try on your sister's
Speaker 2: clothes all day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just look a little like I know that the South,
Speaker 5: according to the census regions is like very highly populated,
Speaker 5: but even this is like this pretty disproportionately high numbers here.
Speaker 3: And I will say so like in Georgia, we really
Speaker 3: haven't seen quite as many of these bills introduced. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are probably if I had to, if I had
Speaker 3: to guess, I would say more trans people exist in
Speaker 3: Georgia than any other state in the South.
Speaker 4: I think that's likely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Andy, Atlanta is a very good Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can throw can hit a trans person in
Speaker 4: any direction.
Speaker 3: Of the craziest thing about Atlanta is that we only
Speaker 3: had our first facial feminization sergeant move here last year,
Speaker 3: and we have no doctors here that perform bottom surgery
Speaker 3: any kind, sex reassignment surgery of any Well, yeah, it is,
Speaker 3: but it's like why, you know, in my mind, it's
Speaker 3: like we've been here for so long, it's like there's
Speaker 3: like this commit and it's like why. But apparently it
Speaker 3: has to do with the hospitals not allowing that to happen.
Speaker 3: But what I wanted to ask you is why you
Speaker 3: think Georgia is able to kind of stay clear of
Speaker 3: a lot of this Because we've got Florida that just
Speaker 3: now reversed everyone's apparently they're reversing everyone's driver's licenses now
Speaker 3: to match their yeah, birth sex, whatever. And then you've
Speaker 3: got like all these other Tennessee like it's like across
Speaker 3: the right exactly. So Georgia has somehow stayed pretty out
Speaker 3: of it. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if it's go by bill introductions, then I
Speaker 5: think it's because the Republicans here run a pretty tight ship.
Speaker 5: They're not going to have random members like just putting
Speaker 5: out like nonsense. Yeah, Like I remember that there had
Speaker 5: one guy who went crazy and like saying that they
Speaker 5: should kick out Fanny Willi from dubiting Trump and came
Speaker 5: him out of their podcasts. Like they're pretty professional about this.
Speaker 5: But a lot of it goes back to the nature
Speaker 5: of our governor, the great Brian Kemp, the focus Republican
Speaker 5: and all of them, who is in a very interesting situation.
Speaker 5: He came to office in twenty eighteen on a very
Speaker 5: very conservative platform. He was a Trump endorsed guy. He
Speaker 5: made a bunch of more experienced candidates off of that endorsement.
Speaker 5: But after the race here went for Biden. He got
Speaker 5: in Trump's hire because he certified the election. This litally
Speaker 5: burned all the bridges he had at that wing of
Speaker 5: the party and he was forced to kind of find
Speaker 5: his own way forward. I thought he was kind of screwed.
Speaker 5: I thought that he might not survive the primary, especially
Speaker 5: when Trump got Purdue, who's not a great politician, but
Speaker 5: he's a former satary profile as a name. But he
Speaker 5: killed Perdue. He crushed him in the primary by like
Speaker 5: fifty points. He won every single county in the state.
Speaker 5: It was a huge show of force. And that is
Speaker 5: but Kemp in an interesting position where he is definitively
Speaker 5: broken away from the Trump wing of the party. So
Speaker 5: he has his own brand as kind of I wouldn't
Speaker 5: say anti Trump, but not outwardly pro Trump. So you're
Speaker 5: definitely a guy who has like clearly stepped away from
Speaker 5: him and is his own man, right, and this has
Speaker 5: made him very, very popular. He won the last governor's
Speaker 5: race by a larger margin than almost every other Republican
Speaker 5: besides Rappensburg.
Speaker 4: He did have kind of a weak candidate or of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my Yeah, that was my first article.
Speaker 5: I don't think that he's like a god or anything.
Speaker 5: Obviously benefited from that. I've been governoring in the first place.
Speaker 5: Abrams through that election.
Speaker 4: Amazing that they did that rematch.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it is a terrible idea. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: what happens is that Kemp ends up winning by a
Speaker 5: large margin, and a lot of it is because he
Speaker 5: did for a Republican in twenty twenty two. He does
Speaker 5: very well in Atlanta in the suburbs. He has numbers
Speaker 5: in Faulton County that haven't been seen since Mitt Romney.
Speaker 5: He does relatively well in Cobb County and Gwenett County
Speaker 5: and America yea my home when rules. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 5: that's like the whole area where Kemp is it's very well.
Speaker 5: And the contrast with that is in the same race
Speaker 5: we had Walker versus Warnock, and Walker ran on a
Speaker 5: very conservative platform. He was doing ads. I certainly saw
Speaker 5: it repeatedly with Riley Gaines, another very weak candidate. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because Walker was such a personal fuck up. He tried
Speaker 5: to lean really hard in on the anti trans stuff.
Speaker 5: There's an awesome quote from him.
Speaker 2: His cave was really funny, Like, even though it was terrifying,
Speaker 2: it was very funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Herschel is a complete fuck up of a candidate.
Speaker 5: He's like, people have no confidence in him. He's a
Speaker 5: told joke. Nobody wants him to be their center. Warnock
Speaker 5: himself is very strong incumbent. Uh so he has to
Speaker 5: start leaning. He tries leaning on the anti trans stuff.
Speaker 5: Not really the sharpest guy in the drawer can't really
Speaker 5: like our TikTok messaging in the way other cannabis maybe could.
Speaker 5: There's a quote for him where he says, I don't
Speaker 5: even know what a pronoun is, So this is what
Speaker 5: we're dealing with here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that awesome like anti transports. I remember, like,
Speaker 2: I remember how that was in the ads all the time.
Speaker 2: It played like before every YouTube video I want, so
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that vividly. That was one of the
Speaker 5: things that got me this idea for this because I
Speaker 5: was like following the runoff very closely, and the early
Speaker 5: voting signs were excellent for Democrats, Like it was obvious
Speaker 5: that Warnock was on a path to wind the entire time.
Speaker 5: And I always contra like there was black turnout of
Speaker 5: thirty five percent. It was nuts, Like you could have
Speaker 5: the race was basically over before election day because they
Speaker 5: did so well. And I was looking at that stuff,
Speaker 5: and I was looking at these ads where he was
Speaker 5: like Riley games every two fucking minutes, and I was like,
Speaker 5: maybe there's something going on here. But Anyways, so Walker
Speaker 5: runs in this platform, and in the places where Camp
Speaker 5: does very well, he completely collapses. It's like a complete devastation.
Speaker 5: He does far worse than even Trump and a lot
Speaker 5: of these suburban counties. I think he gets like single
Speaker 5: digit support, and like Clayton County he loses like by
Speaker 5: three hundred thousand votes in the cab and Faulton. Warnock
Speaker 5: cracked sixty percent in Cobb County. He wins East Cobb. Wow, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: Warnock won East Common. That's how much stuff is changing.
Speaker 4: It still had to go to a runoff, though, which
Speaker 4: is kind of very.
Speaker 5: Close given the circumstances where Camp was winning by eight
Speaker 5: points in the same ballot. I think Warnock did very impressively.
Speaker 5: He won hundreds of thousands of Camp voters. Really, nobody
Speaker 5: else did it like him that year.
Speaker 2: But I also love the moment when he pulled out
Speaker 2: his sheriffage. Oh he cluched it, his little plastic triff badge.
Speaker 5: Yeah he was. He was great.
Speaker 4: When never anybody's like, you can't break out props.
Speaker 3: He gave us Christian Walker, who is by far our
Speaker 3: greatest Christian Walker.
Speaker 4: It was like the Jedi.
Speaker 5: Cool God Ultimate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's so funny. I wish we could have more
Speaker 4: like stupid people like that.
Speaker 2: You just have it being entertaining, Like I'm jealous that
Speaker 2: New York gets Eric Adams and we get Andre Dickens.
Speaker 2: Like Andre Dickens is so boring. I'm always trying to
Speaker 2: find something. I found this kind of funny video of
Speaker 2: him talking to Joe Biden and he's like showing him
Speaker 2: like a train. It's pretty cool. But other than that,
Speaker 2: it's just like I met him and he has very
Speaker 2: soft hands. I'll say that, oh yeah, knows the trans
Speaker 2: memes is a very beautiful wife and very soft hands.
Speaker 2: It felt like the King of the Hill when I, uh,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it was like the opposite.
Speaker 4: I was like them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So anyways, the whole point about that story is is
Speaker 5: that there's Kep is a pretty savvy guy. I'd say,
Speaker 5: you don't get sixty percent approven ready in a swing
Speaker 5: state for no reason. And he is looking at this
Speaker 5: and he sees that he ran in a more relatively
Speaker 5: moderate reputation and he did very well. Walker tries to
Speaker 5: leverage the culture worst stuff and he totally flops. So
Speaker 5: they have passed a lot of stuff here, like We're
Speaker 5: not like some like safe Haven by anything. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: I think that he can look at that stuff. And
Speaker 5: he's always been obsessed with winning back the white suburban
Speaker 5: mom vote in the suburbs. That's why now theyated left floor.
Speaker 5: He thought that.
Speaker 4: I forgot about her. Oh my god, I forgot about
Speaker 4: that psycho.
Speaker 3: She was like in culter reanimated basically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was kind of an obsession. That's been an
Speaker 5: obsession of him since his first race. Many nearly had
Speaker 5: lost because the suburban vote turned away from his party,
Speaker 5: and he's accomplishment for himself. He actually just did pretty
Speaker 5: well in the suburbs, like I said, but he can't
Speaker 5: do it for the rest of his party now, and
Speaker 5: I think he's very ambitious. They're all signs indicate that
Speaker 5: he plans to run against Oustoff in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 5: which will be a very kind of clash of God's Movement.
Speaker 5: Like that'll be very like intense matchup.
Speaker 2: Kemp is a very like I don't know, he's a
Speaker 2: very kind of like old school like Republican in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, it's a very like free Truma Republican.
Speaker 4: He feels like a Purdue from my estimation, yeah, he's been.
Speaker 5: Forced into that. He was fine being a Trump Republican,
Speaker 5: but the wheel of fate deemed it not to be
Speaker 5: his destiny. I mean, yeah, I think he's in a
Speaker 5: good position now and it's made him very popular when
Speaker 5: people perceive him as a moderate when he's not place
Speaker 5: he's the base is still happy with him, like the
Speaker 5: Trump hating him, and there are worse places to be
Speaker 5: for sure. He also like very connected with business. He
Speaker 5: doesn't really want to be known as like the firebrand,
Speaker 5: like kind of lunatic right wing. So if like eure
Speaker 5: a company that wants to start out operations in the Southeast,
Speaker 5: and you're seeing all this controversy in Florida and not
Speaker 5: that much in Georgia, Atlanta looks more enticing to you,
Speaker 5: And I'm sure that's on his mind. Well, that's kind
Speaker 5: of been a tradition for governors here. Nathan Deal famously
Speaker 5: vita the Regious Liberty Bill at the same time that
Speaker 5: the bathroom bill thing was going on in North Carolina,
Speaker 5: and then he got hundreds of millions of dollars and
Speaker 5: investments from companies in North Carolina. So it's kind of
Speaker 5: that informs their reasoning. They know the benefits of kind
Speaker 5: of making Georgia kind of more known as a more
Speaker 5: moderate state of these things, well, obviously not being moderate
Speaker 5: in any actual sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess the last little thing I'm worried
Speaker 3: about that. I just want you to put at rest
Speaker 3: for me, because you have put a lot of my
Speaker 3: fears that he ease, I will say, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: The uh fucking kN Paxton, the Texas Attorney general, total psycho. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so recently we know that last year he uh asked
Speaker 3: for a registry of all the people who have changed
Speaker 3: their their sex in the state of Texas. Well, now
Speaker 3: he asks the state of North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I want to say, the same thing, What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Why is he so obsessed?
Speaker 4: He's a chaser?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he wants our phone numbers and addresses.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Paxton is a very special guy. He very nearly got
Speaker 5: impeached by Republicans in Texas. Probably maybe more extreme than
Speaker 5: anybody else in the country. Just very out there. I
Speaker 5: can't really say what he's doing, but is probably bad.
Speaker 5: He really sucks. So is he asking like other states
Speaker 5: a setup tro rams are for them to give him
Speaker 5: their information.
Speaker 3: He's asking them to send them the information that they have,
Speaker 3: like the States.
Speaker 4: Let me pull it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this could like just play into Joss's
Speaker 2: theory about like when something gets too like repulsive and
Speaker 2: like gross and like I don't know, like that it
Speaker 2: just it just becomes like a turn off like that.
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like this could be someone who's
Speaker 2: you know, like trying to like climb their way up
Speaker 2: in the Republican establishment.
Speaker 5: By ruined like they tried to kick him out. They
Speaker 5: really he's so very much a base guy now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4: I also this is like tangential.
Speaker 2: But like when we're talking about Georgia and it being
Speaker 2: like sort of moderate, it kind of slipped my mind
Speaker 2: that we have a homegirl MTG.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how we forget to talk about her.
Speaker 5: She's nowhere near her as Georgia is. She's outside of Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah to her.
Speaker 4: I've been to her.
Speaker 3: Her district. It's the same place where the house from
Speaker 3: Stranger Things season four is. Yeah, and I went to
Speaker 3: go see this. I saw Jonathan Byers in my coffee shop.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, did you get a handy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I don't watch that show.
Speaker 2: Which one is that guy? He's like the hot one kids.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, he's in a Yeah, he's the
Speaker 2: one that like helps out the kids. I've seen like
Speaker 2: the first like two seasons, and then I would have
Speaker 2: a third season. I was like, this ship's for babies.
Speaker 4: I don't like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Stranger Things cast is like a menace around Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They are always looming around every corner. You could run
Speaker 2: into one of them.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm I completely derailed us. But yeah, so Kim
Speaker 3: Paxson is just to chase her. We have nothing to
Speaker 3: worry about, thank you, Josh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I kind of like the beast set at the end
Speaker 5: of the first article, which is that as they make
Speaker 5: train stuff PARTI isan issue, like a lot of other
Speaker 5: policies in this country, is going to be polarized by state.
Speaker 5: So in blue states run by Democrats, there are They've
Speaker 5: actually passed a number of very strong trans protection trans
Speaker 5: refugee bills, like Minnesota and Washington passed them. I think
Speaker 5: a lot of other states. Michigan did it too. They're
Speaker 5: under a new Democratic majority.
Speaker 4: Michigan is great for trans stuff.
Speaker 2: Like from what I have a friend who just moved
Speaker 2: here from Detroit and she's obsessed with the Whipmer. She
Speaker 2: got like ff as like for free and stuff there,
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty incredible. Yeah, what they're doing my peach
Speaker 2: state health plans is happening in Michigan.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, incredible things. Yeah, that's that is interesting because
Speaker 5: somebody did say, oh, there's no place you can live
Speaker 5: as a trans person with good laws where it's not
Speaker 5: like four thousand dollars a month in rent. I was like,
Speaker 5: Michigan is kind of cheat.
Speaker 2: I feel like Greston Whitmer also like handles the trends
Speaker 2: stuff fair very well, but just not engaging with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. She just like shows up to like stuff with
Speaker 5: pry Pride flags and it's like, oh, I'm being pro gay.
Speaker 5: I love equality in Michigan being tolerant and that it's
Speaker 5: like the like the Trans People Militarization Act of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. I gotta get everything to
Speaker 6: Edger before we wrap up.
Speaker 3: What do you think twenty twenty four into twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five looks like as we get into it. I know
Speaker 3: it's it's not easy to summarize, I'm sure, but if
Speaker 3: you just want to give it some of your thoughts, this.
Speaker 5: Is going to be the weirdest, most boring election ever
Speaker 5: because under the hohood you have crazy shit going on.
Speaker 5: Like there's some crazy shifts that are happening. Big moves
Speaker 5: are going on. Hispanics are becoming Republican, contactors are becoming Democrats.
Speaker 5: Black people are still Democratic, but they're slightly more Republican.
Speaker 5: So you can see crazy stuff happening, but at the
Speaker 5: top level it's very kind of static. The polls have
Speaker 5: shown a small Trump lead over the last couple of months. Biden,
Speaker 5: I think, is what the worst person they could nominate
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's Trump's not a good candidate for the public.
Speaker 5: Worst yea coughing baby versus coughing baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's going to die first.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's the next article. What if they
Speaker 5: both die in the same day?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 4: Oh man, wow, amazing.
Speaker 5: I haven't may talk about this is like the worst
Speaker 5: of I should ever. So it has not been decided
Speaker 5: this early since eighteen twenty four. I calculated it. This
Speaker 5: is if I can like the candidate that point, I
Speaker 5: don't know necessarily. He has a lot of liabilities. He's
Speaker 5: obviously very unpopular and damaged political brand. He has an
Speaker 5: appeal right now. I think it's hard for people to
Speaker 5: kind of understand it as kind of the competence candidate
Speaker 5: where he's like, Biden is the guy everything's going to
Speaker 5: hell under Biden. He's already can't handle anything. Put me
Speaker 5: in there and I'll be tough and on top of things.
Speaker 5: That appeals to people in the light of some of
Speaker 5: the things that have happened. I think, especially with the
Speaker 5: violence overseas, you've Trump really did gain as a result
Speaker 5: of that, is, Yeah, ticked up a little bit, necessarily
Speaker 5: because people like are pro Palestine and they hate Biden
Speaker 5: because he's like, no, like supporting his real too much
Speaker 5: because it all it's just it looks like it's all
Speaker 5: going to hell and he's not taking care of it.
Speaker 2: Now. I can speak personally for myself and our listeners
Speaker 2: can yell at me if they want, but I'm not
Speaker 2: voting for Joe Biden, and it's because of supporting a
Speaker 2: genocide and Gaza.
Speaker 4: I think it's horrendous, and I think that's.
Speaker 3: Pretty much how every like queer and trans person that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of people that are saying that,
Speaker 2: and I don't invince that I'm not convinced that it's
Speaker 2: enough people to like cost Biden the election by.
Speaker 5: Any means, but those here can be really close, do
Speaker 5: you think so? Do you think in twenty twenty the
Speaker 5: I think the racer was decided by ten thousand votes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I mean it was. I could be wrong,
Speaker 4: but like I I don't know. It is fascinating.
Speaker 2: It is interesting because never in my fucking life what
Speaker 2: I've considered that, like the issues of Palestinians would be
Speaker 2: like something that people care about. Like it's just it's
Speaker 2: really it's really surprising to me, and it really goes
Speaker 2: a lot to show about how.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, it's I don't prism for dissatisfaction people feel
Speaker 5: about his presidency in general. I think he doesn't listen
Speaker 5: that he's out of touch. He has old war mongering,
Speaker 5: like the DC establishment policies, and it's a it makes
Speaker 5: people feel like they're vindicated and their frustration with him.
Speaker 5: It's just it's a culmination of years of kind of
Speaker 5: or political management. It's like, that's not all that it is.
Speaker 5: But the reason why I think it's struct such a
Speaker 5: cored with people is that people already didn't like this
Speaker 5: fucking in the first place. At kind of attached to
Speaker 5: something that they didn't really buy into, and now he's
Speaker 5: being like terrible. It's like this is the final strung.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be fucking with this. Uh it could.
Speaker 5: The races with Trump are always historically so close, like it,
Speaker 5: I don't want to ever kind anything out as having
Speaker 5: an impact, right, but yeah, his Biden's problem right now
Speaker 5: is a base problem. He's actually holding up relatively well
Speaker 5: with the Republican like white swing voters. He's just doing
Speaker 5: terribly with non whites. He's doing terribly with young voters.
Speaker 5: And that is why he's losing right now. So it's
Speaker 5: like they were so focused on guarding their rear flank
Speaker 5: that they neglected their center.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Cool. Well, damn, there's like so I wanted to talk
Speaker 4: about like so much.
Speaker 2: El It's like John Futterman and Cott City and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck that guy guy makes me so mad. That picture
Speaker 2: of him in that dumb ass fucking shirt.
Speaker 5: You know that he like had a really good election
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two and it was kind of cool.
Speaker 5: I know by five points he was a Birnie guy.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: You know he's like he's really Zionist, even like the
Speaker 5: first senator.
Speaker 4: Like literally like how to stroke that made him assigned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, I don't want to keep you
Speaker 2: all day, and I don't want to go on too long,
Speaker 2: so hit us with your plugs.
Speaker 4: And I listened to you.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah at Intrementum dot news. Hopefully you can look
Speaker 5: at the show description. That's always very helpful. Yes, we
Speaker 5: want to bet and I have a Twitter with the
Speaker 5: same name, which is where most people probably know me.
Speaker 5: It's like there's more followers and write newsletters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I follow the newsletter. It's great.
Speaker 2: All of our listeners would get a lot out of it,
Speaker 2: particularly the article heads out there, of which I know
Speaker 2: there's probably the big trends.
Speaker 5: One is free, that is free for everybody to read.
Speaker 3: Hy we've given Josh official ally status for the one
Speaker 3: won the Ally Championships.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you.
Speaker 5: I did get an award from a local Jewish trans
Speaker 5: thing a couple of years ago, and like it kind
Speaker 5: of makes sense. I guess now. This was like before
Speaker 5: I had done anything. It was just a family friend
Speaker 5: who knew that I liked politics, and I just don't
Speaker 5: like this award that I hadn't done anything.
Speaker 2: For no clue.
Speaker 3: Well, now the awards and you can corrected it. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for being here.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Before we take.
Speaker 3: Voicemails, we have some news to share with the listeners.
Speaker 3: Janie's new music video has just dropped.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by the time, by the time you're listening
Speaker 2: to this, you can stream it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Stream Janie's new song. Check out her new music video.
Speaker 4: I am in it, Carmen Zenna, I am in it
Speaker 4: being cute and stabbing men. You know, she's in it.
Speaker 2: She's being cute.
Speaker 4: I've got men tied up, you know.
Speaker 2: Thank you again for being in my video.
Speaker 4: It was so much fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun until the allergy was really set down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was doing like poison damage to all of you.
Speaker 3: She was doing poison damage all of us. She really
Speaker 3: took that Midsummer to the next level. And she was like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna put real fucking rose petals on
Speaker 3: these masks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I was.
Speaker 2: It was more kind of it's kind of an American
Speaker 2: beauty thing if you think about it.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't even think about it. All the rose fuddles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm feeling that. Okay, So check out Janie's
Speaker 3: American Beauty on YouTube.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna walk this bay. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to be associated with
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 3: Oh I forgot about Kevin Spacey, but you know, he
Speaker 3: is in one of my favorite movies, Midnight in the Garden.
Speaker 3: I'm Good and Evil, So he's not a lot of
Speaker 3: really good movies. He is, And that is what's so
Speaker 3: disappointing about like gay pedophiles. I guess that they're just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most disappointing thing about gay pedophile is that
Speaker 2: they're in really good movies.
Speaker 3: But I will never forget Kevin Spacey's response to coming
Speaker 3: out about the pedophilia allegations was to come out as gay.
Speaker 2: And he thought that that was he thought he cooked,
Speaker 2: He thought.
Speaker 4: He cooked, he cooked.
Speaker 2: It's like it is really funny.
Speaker 4: No, dude, that doesn't make anything better, Like, yeah, but
Speaker 4: who's laughing?
Speaker 2: Now he killed all the witnesses and now he's just free,
Speaker 2: like everyone that was gonna testify died and like a
Speaker 2: mysterious no, really yeah no, that's actually true.
Speaker 4: I'm not even making that up. Even the guy, the actor,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I know that there was like four or five
Speaker 2: people that were going to testify against Kevin Spacy and
Speaker 2: they all like died in my serious ways.
Speaker 4: So he got off.
Speaker 3: They like basically stacked themselves into a suitcase and threw
Speaker 3: themselves out of a fucking hotel window.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: like Russia, Like you can look it up.
Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if the top of my head,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's you can look this up. It's pretty
Speaker 2: cool victim. I mean it's it'd be cool if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for covering up pedophilia. But what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what, Yeah, I'm reading about this. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I know, people think I'm crazy and then they do
Speaker 2: one Google search and they're like, oh, she's.
Speaker 3: Kevin Spacey's accusers died in twenty nineteen. That is insane.
Speaker 3: Ari Bam, a former Norwegian Royal who accused actor Kevin
Speaker 3: Spacey of sexual assault in twenty seventeen, died by sude
Speaker 3: Norwegian Royal.
Speaker 2: I know, right, I feel like a guy that owns
Speaker 2: a really nice like tuna factory the air to a
Speaker 2: fortune of like canned fish that's called like clip clip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking wow, Wow, So Kevin Spacey has like he
Speaker 3: has like some house of house of cards like connections.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm scared of Kevin Spacey now we Yeah you
Speaker 3: should be. That's horrifying.
Speaker 4: Anyway. Should we take a voicemail?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love so.
Speaker 7: Hello Governor. It's a longtime listener here from the UK
Speaker 7: aka Turf Island. I'm just looking for some advice on
Speaker 7: voice training and when to do it in a busy schedule,
Speaker 7: How do I fill it in? And how do I
Speaker 7: deal with your reactions? It's something quite abrupt compared to
Speaker 7: the visual transition, or in your opinion, is it even necessary?
Speaker 7: Is there too much pressure for trans girls to train
Speaker 7: their voice or am I just wanting to radiate my
Speaker 7: trans joy?
Speaker 5: Thanks?
Speaker 7: Keep with the good work, guys.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, dude, I can't help you sound
Speaker 2: normal like har you're you should ask a British person
Speaker 2: that's that already sounds American, because I don't know how
Speaker 2: to undo what's going on there, how to.
Speaker 4: Get rid of that accent.
Speaker 2: I think you're just gonna sound British for life. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe study like uh, I don't know, like Daniel day Lewis.
Speaker 4: Or something like that. That's like get into some mental acting.
Speaker 2: I'm just teasing. I'm just accents are kind of cool.
Speaker 2: But Carmen should take this over because I talk like
Speaker 2: a fucking teenage boy.
Speaker 3: So no, okay, Well, first of all, my first thing,
Speaker 3: my first response to this is no, you shouldn't have
Speaker 3: to do anything unless that is something that particularly bothers you.
Speaker 3: So if you want to improve your voice, then you
Speaker 3: should do that. You shouldn't do it for any other
Speaker 3: reasons other than that. But of course it does help
Speaker 3: with passing. I started voice training when I was about
Speaker 3: fifteen to sixteen years old, and I will admit I
Speaker 3: don't even have the most feminine voice. I downloaded a
Speaker 3: fucking app year.
Speaker 2: Your voice is.
Speaker 4: Your voice is insanely cut. Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: I downloaded an app the other day that told me
Speaker 3: I sound like a man, though, so.
Speaker 2: Don't voice up. What was it?
Speaker 4: I've had like five of those apps on my phone. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't recommend it, but I think the best way
Speaker 3: to go about voice training is to first of all,
Speaker 3: you just have to get over the embarrassment of sounding
Speaker 3: of thinking you sound silly because the first thing that
Speaker 3: happens when you try to speak in a higher register
Speaker 3: is you feel uncomfortable because you think you sound like
Speaker 3: mini mouse or you know, like somebody like trying to
Speaker 3: portray a female voice. But that kind of uncomfort you
Speaker 3: have to just kind of like work through that because
Speaker 3: the more that you do, the easier it becomes, and
Speaker 3: the more relaxed it becomes. And I remember when I
Speaker 3: first found you have to really find your voice first.
Speaker 3: And I've talked about this a lot, and I used
Speaker 3: the Deep Stealth, I used their Femini Finding your Female
Speaker 3: Voice videos.
Speaker 4: You can find them on YouTube, and I use those. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a lot on tiktoks there is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But once you find your female voice and you
Speaker 3: know what that register is, you have to practice in
Speaker 3: it for a while. But then I would say after
Speaker 3: it's just like if you're trying to improve your posture,
Speaker 3: if you're trying to improve a habit or anything like that,
Speaker 3: it kind of naturally like becomes normal for you, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense. So like after I would say like
Speaker 3: three or four weeks of trying to talk consistently and
Speaker 3: that register, it starts to feel a little bit more
Speaker 3: relaxed and like you're not really like forcing yourself. It
Speaker 3: starts to feel a little bit more natural. So it
Speaker 3: just takes practice. I say, do it at night, do
Speaker 3: it in the mirror, do it whenever you're alone.
Speaker 4: That's what I did.
Speaker 3: Anytime I was alone, I was just practicing my voice.
Speaker 3: I would just recite to myself, this is the voice
Speaker 3: that I want to use. This is the voice, and
Speaker 3: you know, over and over again. But again, I don't
Speaker 3: think that trans women should feel pressured to improve their
Speaker 3: voice because it is something that is very difficult to do,
Speaker 3: and I think that is like a part that needs
Speaker 3: to be acknowledged about it too. I'm pursuing vocal feminization
Speaker 3: surgery for myself. I'm having I have a consultation on
Speaker 3: April first, April Fool's.
Speaker 4: Day for some reason.
Speaker 3: And you know, even with vocal feminization surgery, you still
Speaker 3: have to do vocal training after that fact. So if
Speaker 3: you want to feminize your voice, there is no way,
Speaker 3: there is no avoiding vocal training. If you don't want
Speaker 3: to feminize your voice, then I say more power to you,
Speaker 3: because quite honestly, you sound pretty like I would say
Speaker 3: androge like kind of like like in the middle of
Speaker 3: those two registers already. I don't think finding like increasing
Speaker 3: your pitch would be that much harder.
Speaker 2: But I sorry, yeah, go ahead. I have a few suggestions. One,
Speaker 2: get yourself on.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Two if you don't want to do that, well, I
Speaker 2: gotta be honest. I uh fucking hate vocal training. It's
Speaker 2: something that makes me really really really really really mad.
Speaker 2: I don't really like this is about to be me
Speaker 2: getting like genuinely vulnerable. But I don't really like listening
Speaker 2: to my voice at all, which sucks because like I
Speaker 2: make music and sing and have.
Speaker 4: A show and I have to hear it quite a lot.
Speaker 2: Just the other day, I was trying to like find
Speaker 2: like a clip for the show to like make like
Speaker 2: like a TikTok or like Instagram reeal with, and I
Speaker 2: got really sad listening to myself because I also work
Speaker 2: in the service industry and I speak a lot to customers,
Speaker 2: and it's the kind of thing that, like it makes
Speaker 2: me really upset because like, I know I look good,
Speaker 2: like I know I do yes, and I feel like
Speaker 2: content with where I'm like at in my like gender transition.
Speaker 2: Like there's certainly some other stuff that I would like
Speaker 2: to do, but nothing that like keeps me up at night, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wish I was this, I wish I was that.
Speaker 2: Like no, I'm like happy, and it took a long
Speaker 2: time to like get here, but I am genuinely like
Speaker 2: happy with who I am. And the thing is, like
Speaker 2: I I think that if there wasn't this like extra
Speaker 2: kind of element of like because your voice is like
Speaker 2: how you're perceived, you know, so like I I don't
Speaker 2: mind like my voice like to like I know, I
Speaker 2: just said it bothers me, but it bothers me because
Speaker 2: I hear what other people are hearing, and that's what
Speaker 2: bothers me. I think with no added like stimuli, I'm
Speaker 2: fine with my voice. I think I sound cool, like
Speaker 2: I think I like. I think I sound cool, Like
Speaker 2: I like the way I talk, I like the way
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm happy with it. But I've tried vocal
Speaker 2: training a lot because I don't want to get fucking
Speaker 2: clocked all the time.
Speaker 4: I hate getting clocked on the phone.
Speaker 2: I get yes sired all the time on the phone
Speaker 2: all the time at drive throughs, and it happens at
Speaker 2: work all the time too, And I feel like it's
Speaker 2: like absurd because like I look like a girl in
Speaker 2: every conceived a way.
Speaker 4: But there's just that.
Speaker 2: Little thing that's off that makes people who are fucking
Speaker 2: stupid just misgender me. And it sucks. And there's nothing
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've tried a lot, and I want
Speaker 2: I want to do better and to be honest, like
Speaker 2: I do. I do kind of use like a customer register. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have. I have a good like customer service voice.
Speaker 2: But like when I'm like hanging out like this, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is how I talk like on the show, Like
Speaker 2: this is like more or less how I talk like
Speaker 2: outside of you know, in any situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't really have like much advice. Really.
Speaker 2: I've heard other people say that you should just like talk, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Carbon said, like just just talk a lot, just practice,
Speaker 2: just feel around with it definitely, like watch videos like
Speaker 2: see like what.
Speaker 4: You uh, because there is like a certain you know
Speaker 4: method to it, certain like breathing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing that frustrates me is that like I
Speaker 2: know all that stuff and I still am not that
Speaker 2: good at it, and I feel like it it just
Speaker 2: requires like a level of discipline that like it. It
Speaker 2: makes me really really sad, honestly, it makes me really upset,
Speaker 2: Like thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I will say like yes to acknowledge all that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's all very real and it's very very difficult
Speaker 3: to practice, and it is discouraging because yeah, it's it's difficult.
Speaker 4: But then the.
Speaker 3: I guess for me why I had such an easy
Speaker 3: time with it is because I was just stuck at home.
Speaker 3: You know, I was sixteen fifteen, stuck at home the
Speaker 3: middle of Lawrenceville, and it was the one thing that
Speaker 3: I saw that I it was like the only thing
Speaker 3: in my life that I had any control over at
Speaker 3: that time, you know what I mean. So I just
Speaker 3: really really really honed in on that. But then I
Speaker 3: will say, like my voice, like you know, even when
Speaker 3: I'm talking on the pod, I do kind of talking
Speaker 3: a slightly higher register than I normally do because you know,
Speaker 3: I can kind of talk a little more relaxed, a
Speaker 3: little more vocal fry and stuff like that. And like
Speaker 3: when I'm on the phone with my friends and stuff,
Speaker 3: we're just hanging out, you know, that's how I talk.
Speaker 3: But it's it's one of those it's it's just one
Speaker 3: of those kind of realities of being trans is like
Speaker 3: it's just yeah, it's like do you voice train or
Speaker 3: do you not? And you know there's pros and cons.
Speaker 3: Obviously a big motivating factor for me was, yeah, I worked,
Speaker 3: I worked in retail and I worked, yeah, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to like stop getting clocked and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And so see, the thing is like, if no one
Speaker 2: would ever clock me from my voice, I wouldn't vocal
Speaker 2: train because I don't really I don't really care that much.
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not something that personally gives me dysphoria.
Speaker 2: It's just that I know that like the way I present,
Speaker 2: like there was so many things that did give me dysphoria,
Speaker 2: like having facial hair, and then I got laser you know, done,
Speaker 2: Like it's over, Like I feel a lot better.
Speaker 4: Good for you, d This is something that, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: This is something that like you have to like work
Speaker 2: at more a lot more than any of those other things.
Speaker 2: And it's also something that like some people are really
Speaker 2: really good at and then some people are not, and
Speaker 2: I'm just fucking not good at it.
Speaker 4: I'm just not that good at it.
Speaker 3: And well I just want you know, when I hear
Speaker 3: you talk, Janie, I hear Janie and I don't hear
Speaker 3: anything else and you sound like a woman to me.
Speaker 3: You sound like a California stoner lesbian to me.
Speaker 2: A lot of people say I sound like I'm from California.
Speaker 3: You do have like a California kind of like vocal fry,
Speaker 3: kind of like valley girl kind of like like you
Speaker 3: just sound a skater girl to me.
Speaker 2: You know, it's because I literally am stupid. Gag me
Speaker 2: with a spoo oh and also also the second part
Speaker 2: of your question. I also so don't think that like
Speaker 2: it's like necessary I have. I have a I hang
Speaker 2: out with a lot of friends that have quite clocky
Speaker 2: and honestly, I think it's kind of cool. Like it's
Speaker 2: definitely one of those things that like when you see
Speaker 2: like a trans girl who's like looks really really sexy
Speaker 2: cunty and then she's got like that kind of like
Speaker 2: clocky voice, like it's.
Speaker 4: Like cool, like, oh yeah, I can hang with her.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, you don't. You don't have to like take
Speaker 4: it to I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, you don't always have to like walk around like
Speaker 2: trying to be like like just you know, like find
Speaker 2: out like like even if you just like because this
Speaker 2: isn't how like I talked like when I was like
Speaker 2: presenting like mail. You know it, I did, I did.
Speaker 2: I did change it to a degree. But that's what like,
Speaker 2: that's like what I'm saying, Like, I changed it to
Speaker 2: the degree that like made me happy. And even if
Speaker 2: it's not like the degree that's like mega passoid, you know,
Speaker 2: always getting gendered correctly everywhere, it still is the degree
Speaker 2: that makes me personally like I think it's cool, Like
Speaker 2: I think I sound cool. So I guess at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I damn, I just kind of
Speaker 2: therapied myself because yeah, I think that is something that
Speaker 2: that will make you feel better, is if you just remember, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: even if I'm not like one hundred percent passing, I'm
Speaker 2: out of part that you're making progress where I sound cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm where I'm like happy. Exactly if people misgenders me,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna punch him in the time, do a chair
Speaker 2: and pull all their teeth out, exactly. That's all that
Speaker 2: That's all that's gonna happen. The other simple is that
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 3: Thing I was gonna say too that helped me a
Speaker 3: lot was female finding female vocalists that I like felt
Speaker 3: like I could emulate their voice, you know, So like
Speaker 3: I always go for Share, I always go for Madonna,
Speaker 3: I always go for Gwen Stefani because they tend to
Speaker 3: have like a slightly deeper kind of voice than like,
Speaker 3: you know, like fucking pan pink Pants thrusts or something
Speaker 3: like that. You know, like they have like a lower register.
Speaker 3: And so I would find myself when I was really young,
Speaker 3: singing along to these songs and trying to like match
Speaker 3: the register.
Speaker 2: You know, Christina who Christina Aguilo. No, that's a fucking fergie.
Speaker 2: Miley has, Like Miley Cyrus has like a fucking class
Speaker 2: She like a guy. Yeah, yeah, she's like she's like
Speaker 2: clocked up for real. She really does have like the
Speaker 2: most like clockystis woman. For there's people that like, there's
Speaker 2: like trans people that have been like transvestigating her, thinking
Speaker 2: that she's like on tea.
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding, she'd be cool. I love that.
Speaker 3: I love when trans people start transvestigating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love when I love I love trans behavior,
Speaker 2: trans people behaving in a totally normal fashion exactly.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing. You know, So yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: do it if you want, fuck it if you don't,
Speaker 3: and you know, do it. Do what makes you happy, girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of trans advice just
Speaker 2: inevitably does come back to like do what makes you happy, period,
Speaker 2: And there is kind of a The shitty thing about
Speaker 2: being trans is that there is kind you are kind
Speaker 2: of pulled between the worlds of like me making myself happy,
Speaker 2: doing something for myself, and then we live in a
Speaker 2: society other people, Yeah, and then living in a society
Speaker 2: that like thanks your like crazy, you're stupid, and like
Speaker 2: having that perception of you, and you just kind of
Speaker 2: have to like balance out, like I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: it's like building. It's like making a build in like
Speaker 2: a like Skyrim. Got everything comes back to Skyrim because
Speaker 2: because Sky, because Skyrim's a simulation of the world we
Speaker 2: live in today, we live we are Skyrim. Where could
Speaker 2: you believe it?
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