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Speaker 1: It's time for our weekly conversation with Pride of the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars running back Fred Taylor and the Jags are back

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Speaker 1: stateside after wins in London. Unprecedented first off to play

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Speaker 1: games in London, but to win two games in London

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Speaker 1: in the same season. So the Jags team, Fred, that

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Speaker 1: was one and two and trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Did they figure it out in London?

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Speaker 2: You know what, JPI, I can't answer that question if

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Speaker 2: they figured it out, But what I can say is

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Speaker 2: we've both said that London has been kind to the team,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 2: they went there and they found their stride. Have they

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Speaker 2: figured it out? You know, they have an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: play the division leaguing Coats, so that'll be another good

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Speaker 2: test for them and then we'll be closer to that answer.

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Speaker 2: But again, salute to those guys for you know, going

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Speaker 2: across the pond, refocusing after losing two in a row,

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Speaker 2: and they just refocused and played like they look like

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Speaker 2: a totally different team in both ball games. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: definitely got a big salute to them.

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Speaker 1: Brett really was defensive minded. They held the Falcons down

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Speaker 1: obviously in the Wembley game, and then they were facing

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Speaker 1: the second best scoring offense in the NFL and the

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Speaker 1: Bills at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium, a team that had beaten

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Speaker 1: the last three opponents they played by twenty eight points

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Speaker 1: or more. I mean, this Bills team was rolling. So

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Speaker 1: the Jags defense has found a way and they've been

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Speaker 1: a really steady group this season overall, especially against the run.

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Speaker 1: That's where it starts. If they can stop the run,

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Speaker 1: then they can maybe affect a quarterback, even if they

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Speaker 1: aren't getting sacks and numbers. It's an effective group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's the theme has definitely pivoted since

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Speaker 2: the start of the season. The offseason expectations were that

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Speaker 2: the offense was just gonna come out and just light

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Speaker 2: it up and carried his team. Yet the defense said, no, wait,

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Speaker 2: you can't forget about us. We're not the little other

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Speaker 2: in this thing. We're gonna do our part. And they've

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Speaker 2: done that each and every week, well minus the Houston game.

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Speaker 2: You know, we can toss that one out. That one

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Speaker 2: is behind them. I'm sure they're ready for the next

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Speaker 2: matchup versus the Texans. But they played very well against

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Speaker 2: high level opponents. They battled against the Chiefs. There the

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Speaker 2: offense couldn't execute it in the red zone. This time around,

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Speaker 2: against a high powered Bills team, they battled just in

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Speaker 2: total opposite fashion the offense. They were able to really

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Speaker 2: pound the ball and keep the ball away from Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen in the Bills offense and slow him down.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So the defense certainly made it a business trip, and

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Speaker 2: I think we'll continue to see a lot more of

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Speaker 2: that as the season progresses.

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Speaker 1: Bret Taylor with us. They'll need to bring it this

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Speaker 1: week against the running game of the Indianapolis Colts. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss last week went off for a big number

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Speaker 1: on the ground and their win. And Jonathan Taylor is back,

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Speaker 1: and he's got a contract and he's coming off with

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Speaker 1: the ankle issue, so they do have two running backs

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Speaker 1: back there. Fred, So this is priority number one for

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Speaker 1: the Jags defense.

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt. You know, that's certainly without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Zach Moss, he had a monstrous day. I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: see Taylor twenty eight back, irregardless of the outcome, I'm

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Speaker 2: just glad he's back. In his contract situation hopefully is

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Speaker 2: completely behind him. The Jags do have a big test.

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Speaker 2: But what I've learned from my playing career is that

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Speaker 2: you know, one week you can have these big numbers

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Speaker 2: and then the next week you think, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: do it again. It doesn't always work that way, you know,

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Speaker 2: no matter what, it doesn't work that way. And I

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Speaker 2: think Zack Moss he probably you know, shot his shot

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Speaker 2: a week too soon. You know, he hadn't played a

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Speaker 2: defense like the Jaguars defense. The Jaguar has been really

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Speaker 2: out against the running every game this year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they've been so good against the run, and I think

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Speaker 2: they'll continue to trend. So I'd expect the coaches to

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Speaker 2: be held under one hundred yards rushing and that that'll

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Speaker 2: in turn helped the Jaguars get the win.

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Speaker 1: Right of the Jaguars running back Fred Taylor with us

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Speaker 1: And speaking of running backs, Travis et In Jr. Went

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Speaker 1: off on the Bills at Spurs last week, especially in

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Speaker 1: the second half fourth quarter when the game was really

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Speaker 1: I mean, Travis etn Really stepped up big and I

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Speaker 1: don't think he ever wants to leave London. He had

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Speaker 1: his career best game last year in London, and then

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Speaker 1: he had his second best career game in the second

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Speaker 1: time London leading rusher in NFL history. He passed Frank

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Speaker 1: Gore in the game against the Bills last week. Go aside,

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Speaker 1: what style? What is it about Travis's style, the way

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Speaker 1: he's run this year that's made him so effective. He's

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Speaker 1: now fifth in the league in rushing.

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Speaker 3: You know, Travis, he's patient. You know, he's patient.

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Speaker 2: The run game didn't start out, you know, quite like

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Speaker 2: any of us expected it too to start the season.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, the team has a new toy

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Speaker 2: and Calvin Ridley, so they've sort of leaned a lot

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Speaker 2: more on the past game. But now they understand, you

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Speaker 2: know what a new play caller. I think he gets it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think he understands that. You know, in

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Speaker 2: the run game, you can have a two yard game,

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Speaker 3: Travis Etn is that type of back.

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Speaker 2: You know, he understands the run game, He understands run

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Speaker 2: game efficiency. He just continues to grind away. You know,

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Speaker 2: he gets he understands the efficiency and that you have

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Speaker 2: to get the tough four, you know, and then from

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Speaker 2: that some some bigger moments will happen, and you can't

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Speaker 2: get frustrated. No matter what, you can't get frustrated. And

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Speaker 2: that's a part of the patients I'm talking about. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's a team player. You know, they brought in a

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Speaker 2: young running back in Tank Bigsby, and you know, Travis

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Speaker 2: he's a guy who's quite naturally. He's only in his

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Speaker 2: He's still a young player, but this guy is the

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Speaker 2: limit for him. We talked about when he came back

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Speaker 3: We talked about his power.

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Speaker 2: Comes through his pad level and his quick decision making

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Speaker 2: and when he sees those holes, he has an extreme

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Speaker 3: You know. I think he's readiest at.

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Speaker 2: The point in the season when it starts to get

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Speaker 2: Jaguars are going to outrush them simply because I believe

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Speaker 2: they've found a nice niche and they put it on films.

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Speaker 2: Other teams see it now. Other teams have to find

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Speaker 2: a way to stop it, and is not going to

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Speaker 2: be easy.

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Speaker 1: Bret Taylor with us. You know, last year Travis would

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Speaker 1: get hit and just blasted, like head over heels. He's

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Speaker 1: And you said, at the pad level and things and

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It also helps when you have a quarterback who's playing

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Speaker 1: at a high level on top of that running game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, they had two sack fumbles last week.

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Speaker 1: One of those not his fault. The second one you

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Speaker 1: that's really what you want and make a big taking hits.

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Speaker 1: The Zay Jones touchdown last week, I mean, driver got

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Speaker 3: You stood in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's something that can carry a team and

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Speaker 1: carry them even further than they might by themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe in that same play, the touchdown play,

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Speaker 2: didn't they call a personal a file versus the Bills defender.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's standing in the pocket. But Trevor's been

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Speaker 2: having a good season. You know, he's been questioned here

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Speaker 2: and there. But if you look at the accumulation of

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Speaker 2: little whispers, And I think those whispers come through expectations

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Speaker 2: from the fan base a lot of times from you

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Speaker 2: know myself.

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Speaker 3: Former players. But I get it.

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Speaker 2: So I would never ever bash or trash Trevor because

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Speaker 2: I think he has what it takes to be the

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Speaker 2: and hopefully to a super Bowl here and in their future.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's having a good season. And I

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Speaker 2: think the more we see from Travis etn the more

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Speaker 2: when you get that mix and teams don't know, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't cheat the run game because we got a

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Speaker 2: vice versa. Then the Jaguars offense guy is the limit.

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Speaker 2: And you couple that with the way the defense is playing.

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville should rightfully get back in the lead in this

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Speaker 2: get some good home field advantage throughout, and hopefully they

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Speaker 3: Man and I will be their front row.

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Speaker 1: Well, Fred, let's not put the carto.

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Speaker 2: I get it, you know, but I do know they

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Speaker 2: say you got to speak things into existence, and you know,

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Speaker 2: that's just the optimism in me and just kind of

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Speaker 2: looking at what the possibilities are because it is a possibility.

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Speaker 3: You know, you hit your stride at certain points of

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Speaker 2: I saw one of those NFL ranking things JP they

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Speaker 2: still got the Bills ranked number one. Huh, like you

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Speaker 2: just got beat. I wanted to say something else, but

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Speaker 2: you just got your butts beat. And the team that

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Speaker 2: beat you that ranked number ten on the PFI NFL rankings.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand all of that nonsense, you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the optimism says, and my experience also shows

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Speaker 2: that when teams have a good running game and a

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Speaker 3: Then you win. You win. So I think their position

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Speaker 3: to start bringing along multiple.

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Speaker 2: Wins back to back to back to back to back

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Speaker 2: to back to back, and all of that good stuff

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Speaker 2: until we backed up in you know, backing up the

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Speaker 2: big buses in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Pret Taylor.

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Speaker 1: You know, the only place rankings matter is college football.

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Speaker 1: So the rankings don't matter.

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Speaker 3: They just bait.

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Speaker 1: Sinker in clickbait.

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Speaker 3: That is certainly clickbait. I just look at it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even come in JP because I'm like this football,

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Speaker 2: it's it's this. This is the age of football, the

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Speaker 2: technology and analytics, and you know the statistic that you

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Speaker 2: just mentioned that Travis is better in this year versus

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Speaker 2: last year. When I was there, we just ran the

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Speaker 2: damn ball like whatever it was, that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: And if we led in this and led in that.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day we were like, oh

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Speaker 2: he leads in Russian or receiving for running backs or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't yards have to contact and this. After that,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm ana throwback. Channing and Ryan like to say

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Speaker 2: I played with Dick Bucket's Rest in Peace and a

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Speaker 2: few other guys back in the early fifties and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I digress. It's pretty simple, wins. I just want

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Speaker 3: to see wins. I don't care about stats.

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Speaker 2: I want to see wins because if I cared about stats,

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Speaker 2: then now I can have another argument about this Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowl and all this other stuff where the top three

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Speaker 2: should be the ones voted in and not the beauty queens.

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Speaker 3: But I digress again. And that's that.

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Speaker 1: A good way to wrap it up this week. I

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Speaker 1: think I got you going. We could go for another

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Speaker 1: hour on this.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we can definitely go. You ready, Let's go.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you the post game, Fred, have a

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Speaker 1: good one, all right, be ready.