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Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 4: Greg rose thal in this week for Dan Hansens in
Speaker 4: the host chair in the Chris Westling podcast studio, surrounded
Speaker 4: by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Patrick Claybon.
Speaker 3: Let's get after it.
Speaker 5: Let's get after it. Why not, we're here, the lights
Speaker 5: are on. Yes, let's let's acquire.
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Speaker 4: I do want to hear the new Patrick Clayban theme
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Speaker 3: This episode when it just feels right.
Speaker 4: Eric, but this one especially puts me in a nice
Speaker 4: mood and a cloudy, uh, kind of stormy day here
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Speaker 5: You're whimsically waiting through uh, a quaint neighborhood.
Speaker 6: Do you feel they've captured you had some issues with
Speaker 6: them not actually capturing maybe your full personhood in some
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, how could you hit a thirty second song?
Speaker 4: The van contains multitudes, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is yeah, we I talked over the best part,
Speaker 5: but yeah, it's you.
Speaker 6: Were going to play these for your for your wife
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Speaker 2: We have not I should have gotten to that point.
Speaker 3: Okay, use it when you need it.
Speaker 4: We're reminding you, well, yeah it maybe it's not going
Speaker 4: to work in the way Mark and visioned.
Speaker 6: Well, no, I just I think it's a it's a
Speaker 6: you don't just you you find that right.
Speaker 3: Which is just a hammer drop.
Speaker 4: I would say, I would suggest maybe just play for
Speaker 4: the whole family and say, isn't this cute?
Speaker 3: There's something fun at work today? Yeah, with daddy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's I don't think it's using it to its
Speaker 6: maximum potential.
Speaker 3: But that's fine. We'll see.
Speaker 5: Hey, it's your progative, it's your Hey, there's great news
Speaker 5: from work. And then it's like, oh what is loads
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Speaker 3: How are you doing? Mark?
Speaker 6: I'm good, thank you. I arrived here very very early
Speaker 6: this morning.
Speaker 4: I mean, how are you doing this week without Dan?
Speaker 4: You know, famously you started this podcast on the back
Speaker 4: end of the damaging program without me and without you know,
Speaker 4: and without West.
Speaker 3: So you and Dan go back further. It's like a
Speaker 3: missing appendage for you.
Speaker 6: When he is out of this it is it feels
Speaker 6: I feel it's two weeks in a row where we
Speaker 6: haven't had our full cast.
Speaker 3: I don't I find it.
Speaker 6: Typically i'd be one that's not here for one of
Speaker 6: those two weeks, so to be the person here it's
Speaker 6: been odd. But you know I also went when people
Speaker 6: on vacation, we have a code not to f with
Speaker 6: each other on text, and like I texted Dan once
Speaker 6: or twice and then felt bad about it. It's like
Speaker 6: you're forgetting he's not even in the continental United States
Speaker 6: right now, so.
Speaker 3: It's where he is. It's like six hours earlier, I believe.
Speaker 3: So you don't.
Speaker 4: You don't want to be thinking about work when when
Speaker 4: you're gone, but you know it's unavoidable.
Speaker 3: It happens when you're built for it. Look, we're built
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 4: It's April fourth, we're only three weeks away here from
Speaker 4: the draft sneaking up on us, and we talked top
Speaker 4: ten mock with Josh Norris earlier in the week. This week,
Speaker 4: we're going to go through as many teams as we
Speaker 4: can get through with burning desires Penny into this NFL draft.
Speaker 4: You know, a basic show might call them, you know,
Speaker 4: team needs or whatnot. But this is a little deeper
Speaker 4: than just like a need. Yeah, sometimes your body needs something,
Speaker 4: but sometimes your body has a burning desire. Yeah, wants
Speaker 4: and needs are not all created equal, and these are
Speaker 4: burning desire, right. And some of these teams, you know,
Speaker 4: with what's even happened this week, I can think a
Speaker 4: few teams suddenly like we've got major holes to fill
Speaker 4: on our roustler. And look, we've hit the top ten
Speaker 4: pretty hard. So we're going to try to mostly focus
Speaker 4: on teams outside the top ten. But if we have
Speaker 4: some that we haven't really hit on within the top
Speaker 4: ten or a special need, there's no rules in these games.
Speaker 3: We will do that.
Speaker 4: But before we do that, we got a big time
Speaker 4: trade to talk about.
Speaker 3: So let's get to some news here.
Speaker 1: Allen, out of the gun, takes the high stop, throws
Speaker 1: should have left it the five flowers his shoulder into
Speaker 1: the enisode touchdown Buffalo, a three yard splash from Allen
Speaker 1: to Diggs and the Phils leading nine to three.
Speaker 4: That was the Divisional round game winning touchdown by Stefan
Speaker 4: Diggs during the twenty twenty season, his first in Buffalo.
Speaker 4: His last proved to be the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 4: He is headed to the Houston Texans. And I did
Speaker 4: want to play that clip just as a reminder because
Speaker 4: I think it's getting lost in these last few days.
Speaker 4: What a ridiculous success the Stefan Diggs trade to Buffalo
Speaker 4: was not that I should have to point this out.
Speaker 4: That was a season where he led the NFL by
Speaker 4: the way with one hundred and twenty seven catches fifteen
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five yards in only four seasons. He
Speaker 4: had well over five thousand yards for this team, and
Speaker 4: they were, you know, by some measures in terms of
Speaker 4: point differential and everything like that, and wins like as
Speaker 4: successful as any team in the NFL over the last
Speaker 4: four seasons, not named the Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 4: but he is headed to Houston. It's a fascinating trade.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of angles we can get to.
Speaker 4: Let's start from the Buffalo side. Mark, when you saw
Speaker 4: that this happened on Wednesday, did it feel to you
Speaker 4: like it came out of the blue? Were you surprised?
Speaker 4: Where do you want to go with it?
Speaker 6: I read it described as sort of stunning and shocking,
Speaker 6: and very few stories hit that world for me at
Speaker 6: this point. But I think we had talked about open
Speaker 6: mysteries to the offseason and think like unfinished business coming
Speaker 6: out of last season even the year before. It's like,
Speaker 6: what is the future between Stefan Diggs and the Bills.
Speaker 6: And so from that angle, I am not stunned by
Speaker 6: the move. I think what they got for it is
Speaker 6: going to rankle feathers with Bills fans, and I understand
Speaker 6: that the money side of it is a labor for
Speaker 6: the front office this season. But I feel like in
Speaker 6: terms of Stephan Diggs, this is Stephan Diggs the person,
Speaker 6: like the player fell off a cliff a little bit
Speaker 6: after Joe Brady took over. He was, you know, top
Speaker 6: three in yards receiving, led league in receptions, you know,
Speaker 6: when they were about five and five, and then the
Speaker 6: coordinator switch happened and Stephan Diggs was not used the
Speaker 6: same way. I don't really buy this. He's not the
Speaker 6: same guy anymore. I think he can go have a
Speaker 6: great one year at least with the Texans. But the Bills,
Speaker 6: I think have gone into a soft reboot mode a
Speaker 6: little bit, and Diggs his future here felt a problematic.
Speaker 6: Just was too many reports instances ideas that behind the
Speaker 6: scenes he was difficult and there was a schism between
Speaker 6: he and Josh Allen, and I'm starting to believe that
Speaker 6: that was more true than I might have six months ago.
Speaker 5: And the schism, essentially right, wasn't something that developed in
Speaker 5: twenty two if we're to believe I'm a skeptic about
Speaker 5: I don't think Stephan Diggs is a demonstrably different person
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four than he was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: I think the groundwork had been laid a long time
Speaker 5: ago by taking people who were prone to say those
Speaker 5: sorts of things and giving them the information to say, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, the Bills, and there's frustration all the Stefan
Speaker 5: Diggs this, and then you get all these smoke fire conversations.
Speaker 5: I think Stefan Diggs is one of the better receivers
Speaker 5: in the National Football League. I think Brandon Bean does.
Speaker 5: I think Nick Cassario does right. But the Bills, as
Speaker 5: we a conversation we have all the time about the
Speaker 5: Saints about managing the salary cap.
Speaker 2: There's different ways to do it.
Speaker 5: The Bills went down a particular route, and now that
Speaker 5: they are within the consequences of the particular route that
Speaker 5: they went down, and I don't think that they're a
Speaker 5: better football team. I think it's a preposterous idea to
Speaker 5: say that the vibes or it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: he was a problem and the relationship, I mean, get
Speaker 5: open and have your spectacular quarterback throwing the ball like
Speaker 5: who cares. He was a part of a change, a
Speaker 5: shift in this franchise where Bills fans saw incredible success
Speaker 5: because he was.
Speaker 4: There, right, I think that's all true, and yet I
Speaker 4: do think in sports sometimes the relationship runs its course
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and these are humans. And being said
Speaker 4: as much, Patrick, he admitted, like, look, the Bills, especially
Speaker 4: for the twenty twenty four season, are in a worse
Speaker 4: place today than they were yesterday.
Speaker 2: Are we better today? Probably not.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a work in progress and we're going to
Speaker 7: continue to work on that. I would just hope that
Speaker 7: people know I'm as competitive as hell, and I'm not.
Speaker 7: I ain't giving in.
Speaker 4: I've I want to push back a little bit on
Speaker 4: this idea that though, yes, the Bills are resetting and
Speaker 4: making some hard decisions and they're going to be a
Speaker 4: very different team next year than they were this year.
Speaker 4: But I see where being is I mean from in
Speaker 4: the sense that it's like, why wouldn't they be one
Speaker 4: of the absolute favorites in the AFC. Still, I do
Speaker 4: think people are just jumping to this idea that they're
Speaker 4: like a deeply diminished team when I look at their
Speaker 4: roster and I see one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: the NFL, the best offensive line that the Bills have
Speaker 4: had since they've been there, some young, exciting, dynamic talent
Speaker 4: in Kincaid and Cook and Shakir who aren't ready to
Speaker 4: be like superstars, but it's something to work with.
Speaker 3: You do still have the rest of the offseason.
Speaker 4: The Bills have shown and they don't have much cap room,
Speaker 4: but they have shown that they're good at picking up
Speaker 4: different little pieces. And then when I look at the defense,
Speaker 4: like it's a really good defense and it's a really
Speaker 4: successful coaching staff.
Speaker 3: So to me, I look at them.
Speaker 4: They've defended their title in the AFC East three years
Speaker 4: in a row, four total, done it three times a
Speaker 4: defensive and I look at it and having gone through
Speaker 4: it as a Patriots fan and seeing what the Chiefs
Speaker 4: have done in other successful organizations. A lot of times
Speaker 4: when you go into a season and there was a
Speaker 4: lot of change, but the quarterback and the coach are
Speaker 4: really good and kind of the bedrock of what the
Speaker 4: team has been good. That's the year everyone sleeps on
Speaker 4: them and it's like, no, a lot of what's good
Speaker 4: about this organization is still there.
Speaker 3: And the odds are they're not going to make.
Speaker 4: The super Bowl this year, because the odds are every
Speaker 4: year no one team is going to make the super Bowl,
Speaker 4: especially in the Patrick Mahomes era, and then people will
Speaker 4: be disappointed in them. But I would put them right
Speaker 4: there with the Chiefs or behind the Chiefs as one
Speaker 4: of the most likely teams to make it back. And
Speaker 4: sometimes hard decisions have to be made. And I do
Speaker 4: think this was just a personal thing. It was a
Speaker 4: financial thing and a personal thing that they were going
Speaker 4: to take this crazy, big cap hit at some point
Speaker 4: when they divorced from Diggs, and it could have been
Speaker 4: this year, it could have been next year, and they
Speaker 4: kind of decided maybe this year makes more sense when
Speaker 4: we can get a second round pick back.
Speaker 3: And there's just a lot going on and it feels
Speaker 3: I guess the.
Speaker 6: Confluence of all those issues, Yeah, that's why the move happened.
Speaker 6: And I don't think it's that big of a mystery,
Speaker 6: But in terms of just keeping the Bills situated right
Speaker 6: behind the Chiefs with Josh Allen like and the fact
Speaker 6: that they're an incomplete picture, and they could pick up
Speaker 6: three wide receivers in the draft and one of them
Speaker 6: could hit, and then you've found you're justin Jefferson possibly right,
Speaker 6: But that's an incomplete score right now.
Speaker 3: We don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: But from a perception angle, if you're a Bills fan
Speaker 6: and your Super Bowl window is sitting there wide open,
Speaker 6: and you move on from six of your eight captains
Speaker 6: from a year ago, the team does look different. And
Speaker 6: I think Brandon Bean at least is being honest, like,
Speaker 6: I don't know if they've gotten better. I don't think
Speaker 6: we have at this point, but we'll see what's to come.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing, and I appreciate the honesty because
Speaker 5: it's just a preposterous to me, right, a preposterous idea
Speaker 5: to say that Stefan Diggs was that much of a
Speaker 5: problem emotionally, that he was holding the team back that
Speaker 5: much and that was the reason why you got right
Speaker 5: out of your own stadium in the snow against the Bengals,
Speaker 5: or the reason that everything fell apart last year. I
Speaker 5: understand there was a crucial drop in a playoff game,
Speaker 5: but the reason he's dropping the ball because he's open.
Speaker 5: Right to drop a ball like that, you have to
Speaker 5: get open in the first place, Like he's still capable
Speaker 5: of doing that, And like Marquez Valdez, Scantling was making
Speaker 5: great plays in the bad So were you thinking like
Speaker 5: MVS is greater than stuff on. It's just I just
Speaker 5: have a tough time believing that the downside of not
Speaker 5: having them on your football team anymore. Going to another
Speaker 5: game in the AFC that is probably going to the playoffs,
Speaker 5: you could could seriously consider the possibility that you're playing
Speaker 5: good stuff on Diggs if you're fortunate enough to make
Speaker 5: it to the playoffs. I don't necessarily buy that the bet.
Speaker 5: I get it Greg that they're still a good team,
Speaker 5: but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't buy that they're better.
Speaker 4: I just think sometimes these are humans and the smoke
Speaker 4: that we're talking about, like there were there were issues
Speaker 4: here in terms of him staying away from the team
Speaker 4: last year. They had certainly they had the blow up
Speaker 4: after the playoff loss that that he was upset about,
Speaker 4: and I heard I heard information, and they talked about that,
Speaker 4: and I you just heard publicly from Josh and Steffan
Speaker 4: that it wasn't maybe as tight as it used to be.
Speaker 4: And I did think it was interesting that Brandon Bean
Speaker 4: talked about Josh Allen being informed at various stages of
Speaker 4: this process that, yeah, despite all the reporters passing along
Speaker 4: the news, like I saw something in the Athletic that's like, oh,
Speaker 4: they fully planned to have Digs on their roster and
Speaker 4: they weren't just blowing you know, hot air.
Speaker 3: They've finally just gotten off or they liked.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't buy that, especially when I hear
Speaker 4: this from Brandon Bean.
Speaker 7: Josh and I have a pretty regular conversation on things,
Speaker 7: and I think it's important for me to make sure
Speaker 7: if I think something could happen, to make sure he's
Speaker 7: not blindsided. And so I would, you know, without going
Speaker 7: into the discussion with Josh when the last time we
Speaker 7: spoke was, I did alert him that, you know, there
Speaker 7: had been some inquiries and it wasn't one off the table.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just that, you know, I think this
Speaker 6: this was a possibility going back for a while to
Speaker 6: the Combine meetings. Now what's happened. It happened quickly this week,
Speaker 6: and I'm with you, it's personal. Like I think Tim
Speaker 6: Graham on The Athletic wrote a pretty involved, intense piece about,
Speaker 6: you know, point by point of what happened. But I
Speaker 6: would just say in general, like, if I'm the rest
Speaker 6: of these AFC heavies, I would be annoyed that you
Speaker 6: just turned the Houston Texans volume up even more. Like
Speaker 6: you want to tell me about a team that's right
Speaker 6: behind the Chiefs on paper, It's not the Bills.
Speaker 3: To me, it's the Texans.
Speaker 6: And it's like, thank you Buffalo for making this AFC,
Speaker 6: you know, evolving powerhouse even more glowing and unusual to
Speaker 6: deal with.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's hit it from the Texan side, because
Speaker 4: what an offseason that they have had. They give up
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty five second round pick, but oh, by
Speaker 4: the way, they got a Day three pick, a Round
Speaker 4: five pick this year back, and a twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: sixth round pick back. And the more I thought about,
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, those two picks are pretty significant.
Speaker 4: Someone actually did the you know, trade value chart of
Speaker 4: those two picks, one of them being this year versus
Speaker 4: the second round pick next year, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the Bills win that trade in a vacuum, but like
Speaker 4: just in terms of the picks being traded, but not
Speaker 4: by that much.
Speaker 3: So actually it was.
Speaker 4: Almost like a face saving move that, Okay, we did
Speaker 4: get one second, but we had to give up two
Speaker 4: picks back plus Stefan Diggs, and so that really makes
Speaker 4: it look like it was more of a salary dump
Speaker 4: than anything.
Speaker 3: It was a mix.
Speaker 4: It was a salary dump more than getting the draft asset.
Speaker 4: And Houston has to be freaking thrilled that they have
Speaker 4: Nico Collins, Stefon Diggs, Tank Dell, and Dalton Sultz as
Speaker 4: their top four pass catchers. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: you like Noah Brown, John Metchi, Robert Woods are still
Speaker 4: on this roster. It's gonna be a great group of
Speaker 4: in terms of competition, in terms of depth on that team,
Speaker 4: it is awesome. And I think Stefan Diggs is gonna
Speaker 4: give you the best Stepan Diggs possible at thirty one,
Speaker 4: not that you weren't getting it Buffalo, but he is
Speaker 4: going to be ready and he's going to be on
Speaker 4: a team that can use him. And maybe the numbers
Speaker 4: aren't quite as high as peak Buffalo days. Because there's
Speaker 4: so much competition for catches, but that he is still
Speaker 4: a really dynamic receiver for CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud and gives and.
Speaker 5: Gives the Texans so much just in terms of opportunity
Speaker 5: and what they can do. And not to mention that
Speaker 5: they bring in Joe Mixon the off season as well,
Speaker 5: who's soaked it literally almost never came off the field
Speaker 5: for the Bengals. So he had two AFC contenders that
Speaker 5: are going to have a couple of their best offensive
Speaker 5: players playing against them potentially down down the stretch and
Speaker 5: maybe even in the playoffs. But it's there's so much
Speaker 5: because you go from a group that's like young and exciting,
Speaker 5: and Brown comes on mid to late last season as well,
Speaker 5: and it's like where are these contributions and then there's
Speaker 5: just so much and it's it's almost like where's the
Speaker 5: where's the crack going to be?
Speaker 2: Like what's what's the flaw?
Speaker 6: And it's yeah, the roster is like is pretty wild
Speaker 6: on offense considering where they were two years ago. I mean,
Speaker 6: very few team have transformed that quickly like the Bills
Speaker 6: around Josh Allen did and now they're going in the
Speaker 6: other direction. You kept Bobby slowick and this stuff on
Speaker 6: Diggs thing does not need to be a three or
Speaker 6: four year commitment. The guaranteed money runs out after this year.
Speaker 6: If he turns into a problem or he doesn't, he's
Speaker 6: the same player. You don't even have to have him
Speaker 6: on this roster next year.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: There is something to me about wide receivers landing a
Speaker 4: new spot and just you getting the best possible version
Speaker 4: of them for a year or two. Not like you
Speaker 4: wouldn't later, but I just think it's a natural human
Speaker 4: thing that you land in a new place and you
Speaker 4: want to be at your very.
Speaker 6: Best a new house guests and these are very polite
Speaker 6: and then like if they're there too long and their
Speaker 6: border like.
Speaker 4: In terms of Digs, like he'll have a Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame case someday if he continues on this path.
Speaker 3: I think of someone who.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh yeah, well, like I tweeted this out
Speaker 4: that like, multiple things can be true. I don't think
Speaker 4: it was a crazy move by the Bills in this
Speaker 4: spot that it might have been time and and okay,
Speaker 4: but it also is an amazing move for the Texans
Speaker 4: and they're going to get the best version of Digs
Speaker 4: and got a lot of responses from Bill's well, how
Speaker 4: are you gonna get the best version of him coming
Speaker 4: off his worst season at thirty?
Speaker 3: When does that ever happen?
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, well, if you wanted to ask
Speaker 4: Randy Moss, Terrell Owens in the way that I'm talking
Speaker 4: about this Steve Smith at aged thirty five in Baltimore,
Speaker 4: and like, yes, Steve Smith and some of the like
Speaker 4: in Smith's case, he had at her numbers sometimes earlier.
Speaker 4: But I mean the best version possible where it's a
Speaker 4: career resurgence, it is an excellent player, and guys that
Speaker 4: get open like Diggs, that that travels in slok will
Speaker 4: I think know how to use them.
Speaker 3: And Nico to me is a is a one.
Speaker 4: Basically he's a T Higgins maybe, and and so Digs
Speaker 4: and him are ones together with Dell. It's just it's
Speaker 4: freaking amazing because the Texans are ready. We're going to
Speaker 4: be a team that people myself included thought like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, why can't they make the Super Bowl this year?
Speaker 4: And this puts it on another level. I think they
Speaker 4: need some interior offensive line help. I do think there's
Speaker 4: some issue there. They don't have any guys on their
Speaker 4: defensive line other than Anderson, which is a big other
Speaker 4: than that, they've really developed it or any younger, So
Speaker 4: they need some people for the future there. They certainly
Speaker 4: need a cornerback other than Derek Stingley. This is not
Speaker 4: a perfect team. Their defense was playing better late last season,
Speaker 4: but they were kind of averaged throughout last Like, it's
Speaker 4: not a perfect team, but man, I would not be
Speaker 4: surprised if it's Texans Chiefs kickoff.
Speaker 2: Especially when you consider CJ.
Speaker 5: Streup that was not just first season, but Bobby Slowick's
Speaker 5: like first play college, Like, there's only an opportunity to
Speaker 5: go up here. I guess unless, right, the whispers about
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs, maybe he goes in and he ruins everybody's relationship.
Speaker 3: I'm just okay, happen to me.
Speaker 2: On specifically what Stefan Diggs did.
Speaker 6: So well, there are like there are anecdotes of him
Speaker 6: just generally that when like when his brother tweeted out
Speaker 6: that he should be not on the Bills rescue him
Speaker 6: kind of thing, and he had a chance to address
Speaker 6: it and he didn't. He stuck up for his brother,
Speaker 6: not the Bills. And there were like four or five
Speaker 6: situations like he did have a tweet this is well,
Speaker 6: I don't think that there's stuff we don't know about
Speaker 6: it tweet him.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's anything crazy, but he did have
Speaker 4: a tweet this week that was literally a day before
Speaker 4: this trade, whereas you can't make this up. At the
Speaker 4: Peaky Pirate asked Josh benefit from having a top tier receiver?
Speaker 3: Yes, is he essential to success? No?
Speaker 4: And Diggs responds, you sure, and it's it's it's just
Speaker 4: these little things, and I think it's natural because of
Speaker 4: course Josh benefits and it's essential.
Speaker 3: To have like great receivers. But it's all.
Speaker 4: I just think it's been a little bit of a
Speaker 4: credit issue between Diggs and Allen and that it might
Speaker 4: have been a little bit of an impersonal thing.
Speaker 3: And it is what I heard.
Speaker 4: Between them when they were yelling and stuff that I
Speaker 4: do think there was a little bit of like who
Speaker 4: is more important to this team?
Speaker 3: Who made who?
Speaker 4: And if you're the two most important players on your team,
Speaker 4: have a little bit of an issue in terms of
Speaker 4: sharing credit. And we've seen this from the best players
Speaker 4: of all time. It's happened the best organizations of all time.
Speaker 4: It broke up Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones for twenty
Speaker 4: years broke up. Stean Davison K that's an issue, then
Speaker 4: then maybe okay, that's the time in there having an
Speaker 4: interpersonal thing and it's it's totally natural, but it.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's a time to break it. It really happened in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: It's we wish we could have managed things a little
Speaker 5: less differently yas the time and what are we doing
Speaker 5: right now with the opportunity that.
Speaker 2: We have to try to be successful?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And if you're telling me that, if you can't
Speaker 5: just get over it and make it work with a
Speaker 5: very talented person, then I question, I question how much
Speaker 5: you really want to win.
Speaker 4: But if you've just went through a season where you
Speaker 4: went into that season as an issue and then you
Speaker 4: came out of this season and you feel like no
Speaker 4: one solved it, whether it's Stefan Josh, the coaches, the
Speaker 4: front office, then I just think in football like they can,
Speaker 4: they can still be a strong organization. And maybe you're
Speaker 4: right that they're taking they know they're taking a step back.
Speaker 4: By the time didn't didn't feel crazy to me.
Speaker 6: I just think you added the other the money side
Speaker 6: of it, the fact that you get to pick out
Speaker 6: of it on some level his age. Maybe you don't
Speaker 6: believe that with the dude, the offensive corner they have
Speaker 6: that he thrived last year and it just kind of
Speaker 6: all fits together. I mean, but there's a track record
Speaker 6: of stuff on Diggs being a slightly diva ish wide
Speaker 6: receiver at multiple stops like that, Like that's that's a
Speaker 6: hymn thing.
Speaker 3: He's the through lines.
Speaker 4: The money side of it is crazy, though. They're taking
Speaker 4: a huge dead cap at over thirty million dollars to
Speaker 4: trade one of their best players, which really hurts, and
Speaker 4: they probably were gonna have to take a similar issue
Speaker 4: hit if they did it next year, and they just
Speaker 4: decided let's take it all this year. They're not gonna
Speaker 4: spread it into next year, being talked openly of Actually
Speaker 4: they have a little less cap room now. They'll be
Speaker 4: able to freeze them up with one of their post
Speaker 4: June first but they have very little money to spend.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to sign their draft picks.
Speaker 4: It is crazy, and it's mismannered that you are taking
Speaker 4: that big of a capit to get rid of one
Speaker 4: of your best players on a contract you signed a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. That's that's a mistake, and and
Speaker 4: you it's partly, I would say, even largely because of
Speaker 4: the mistakes you made elsewhere on the roster, primarily von Miller.
Speaker 5: And it does help with perception, perhaps on the fan
Speaker 5: base side and probably on the ownership side, if you
Speaker 5: float a lot of conversation about how insufferable this person is,
Speaker 5: but makes it.
Speaker 4: But to be fair, I to be fair, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's out of not infer because I don't think
Speaker 4: it's insufferable. But I think Stefan Digg's heart essentially supported
Speaker 4: the idea that, like there were some issues there between
Speaker 4: him and Josh Allen. When your brother's out there saying that,
Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, if the money is the same,
Speaker 4: passive aggressive ways on that side too, to maybe get
Speaker 4: out of there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if the money is the same and you're in
Speaker 5: building full of people that don't want you there, then
Speaker 5: why would.
Speaker 2: You be there?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could talk about this one forever. It is
Speaker 4: really a fascinator. Not that feels a little bit like
Speaker 4: I just mean like it is one of the more
Speaker 4: fascinating trades I can remember in a long time in
Speaker 4: terms of great players still playing well. Going from one
Speaker 4: contender to another. One is an example Houston of a rebuild.
Speaker 4: And I don't really believe in rebuilds in the NFL,
Speaker 4: but you gotta say Houston did it. They got lucky
Speaker 4: because look, CJ. Stroud could have got taken number one,
Speaker 4: and they would have taken Bryce Young and maybe very
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of this doesn't happen, or there
Speaker 4: are various things you get lucky.
Speaker 2: Or maybe Bryce would be successful.
Speaker 6: I mean, right, well, they got lucky that they were
Speaker 6: able to trade their last quarterback for like four kingdoms.
Speaker 4: But they they went through a couple a couple of
Speaker 4: seasons where it was truly tear it down to the studs.
Speaker 4: Nick Casario is still there, and just a couple of
Speaker 4: years later they are now competing for a title and
Speaker 4: the Bills are doing the thing that's even harder, which
Speaker 4: is the most successful run they've ever had since since
Speaker 4: the lost Super Bowls. To me, like the most consistent
Speaker 4: team in the NFL over the last five years other
Speaker 4: than the Chiefs and the Digs. Is what put them
Speaker 4: over the top. That trade was an absolute sick success.
Speaker 4: The thing that was crazy to me was yesterday hearing
Speaker 4: some people pushing back on that it was like that
Speaker 4: was an absolute win no matter how this ended, do
Speaker 4: you agree? Bills fan Eric Roberts before we take a break,
Speaker 4: looking back on his time with the Bills, I mean
Speaker 4: it was fun. I'm not gonna lie, but he will
Speaker 4: be remembered because I mean the end was messy.
Speaker 3: It could you know, have gone.
Speaker 8: A breakup's never easy, but things were definitely different between
Speaker 8: him Josh's first few years in Buffalo. Hey, we played
Speaker 8: Madden together. We're brothers, and that kind of, like Sideline
Speaker 8: love kind of evaporated, and you know, obviously during games
Speaker 8: you see him kind of john at each other, and
Speaker 8: the Bill's fandom is like Josh is the savior, you know,
Speaker 8: so that people are gonna side with Josh. I mean,
Speaker 8: he don't get me wrong. I I have a dig
Speaker 8: signed jersey in my closet. So like he was pivotal,
Speaker 8: essential to the success they've had over the last four seasons.
Speaker 8: But I think in many ways they found a way
Speaker 8: to win without him. I mean, like Mark kind of
Speaker 8: pointed out when they did this run to make the playoffs.
Speaker 8: He started the season I think five out of six
Speaker 8: games one hundred yards and then he kind of just
Speaker 8: wasn't there, so I think they found a way. I
Speaker 8: think they're going to go through Kincaid. I don't think
Speaker 8: Curtis Samuel and Shakir and Hollins are.
Speaker 3: They're not the answer. They're not the answer, But piece is.
Speaker 3: I think where you need to find, you got James Cook.
Speaker 8: Josh Allen is RB one in most cases, I just
Speaker 8: think it's a change of times.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is the Bills went let's count him
Speaker 4: up from nineteen ninety nine until twenty nineteen, so that
Speaker 4: is a clean twenty seasons without winning ten games. They
Speaker 4: got that ten win season before Diggs arrived there, but
Speaker 4: that team was a little lucky to get there. Then
Speaker 4: the next four years thirteen wins, eleven wins, thirteen wins
Speaker 4: eleven and if you look at the hold on, if
Speaker 4: you look at the point differential, though even better than
Speaker 4: the Chiefs the last couple of years. They have been
Speaker 4: one of the best teams in the NFL for four
Speaker 4: street season. Digs isn't by the only reason why, but
Speaker 4: he is a big reason.
Speaker 6: That's that's fine because relative to what the Bills fans
Speaker 6: and what the Bills dealt with for in eras in
Speaker 6: a row. I get it, but there's still three four
Speaker 6: other teams that won the Super Bowl during the Stephan Diggs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know it's not met.
Speaker 6: It's like it's nice to have a thirteen win season
Speaker 6: and eleven win season, but it's like, I don't want
Speaker 6: to hear that they're more successful than the Chiefs and
Speaker 6: some some some subtilities like.
Speaker 3: Not in the tangle. The Chiefs win super Bowls as
Speaker 3: a team, right. I didn't say the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying other than the Chiefs, like they've been
Speaker 4: as consistent in what I don't know, but a team
Speaker 4: that is successful, because you're going to be looking back
Speaker 4: on these as the.
Speaker 3: Good old day.
Speaker 8: I had a blast watching Digs in no way in
Speaker 8: my life. Good riddance. I mean, you know, there are
Speaker 8: some things to stick out because of the messy end
Speaker 8: to it all. But like I loved having step on
Speaker 8: the team. I don't see I don't definitely I've you
Speaker 8: that we are not the Bills are not better.
Speaker 4: I mean the crazy thing is they had a legit
Speaker 4: chance to win the Super Bowl last year. I mean
Speaker 4: they they played them even in that game and they
Speaker 4: didn't come through, and who knows what would have happened,
Speaker 4: but it didn't happen. We're gonna take a quick break
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna get to burning desires of teams
Speaker 4: around the NFL.
Speaker 6: He's from Alabama, you're just hair has a lamaabon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've just been to a barber where you've
Speaker 5: found here, So I don't know, am I I'm still
Speaker 5: in the lama ring.
Speaker 6: I'd have to investigate alama closer, but maybe a lama
Speaker 6: after they were shaved down that you know, it gets
Speaker 6: hot in the summer.
Speaker 4: I lived near a lama farm growing up, not a lie. Uh,
Speaker 4: and you know they got to shave them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were they Were they meet lamas or were they?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: They do lamas for what would you call it? Would
Speaker 2: that be wols?
Speaker 3: Actually don't even Yeah, I think that's why they had them.
Speaker 6: Was a lama farm in Massachusetts. That's sort of not
Speaker 6: the first place I would target for that.
Speaker 3: You know, where I grew up.
Speaker 4: There are all sorts of farms in western Massachusetts, fruit farms,
Speaker 4: animal farms.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not gonna name it.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe he doesn't want his name out there,
Speaker 4: but yeah, a guy, a kid who was in my
Speaker 4: class his family owned the Lama farm. And yeah, once
Speaker 4: it started getting hot, you see those Lamas there goes
Speaker 4: the wall.
Speaker 3: Is that it No, it's in Wilbraham, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Is well, don't don't do them out.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it'll be on another farm though it'll be
Speaker 4: good for business. I have no idea if it's still open,
Speaker 4: but it was right nearby. And no, I don't think
Speaker 4: there's that much of a resemblance between Patrick and those Lamas.
Speaker 4: But look, if Lamas looked like Patrick Claybond, people would
Speaker 4: like Lamas more. I feel like lamas don't get a
Speaker 4: lot of love out there. You know who's gonna get
Speaker 4: a lot of love. Teams we haven't talked about in
Speaker 4: a little while, so, uh, we're gonna go through as
Speaker 4: many teams as we can, uh, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 4: about the burning desires that these teams have heading into
Speaker 4: the NFL Draft. And I guess I would put it
Speaker 4: to you guys, we'll try to get through as many
Speaker 4: as we can. I know team, you know, everyone likes
Speaker 4: to hear their team talked about, So we're not gonna
Speaker 4: go too long.
Speaker 3: But I would say.
Speaker 4: To my friends Patrick and Mark just I think start
Speaker 4: as strong as you can, because we don't you never
Speaker 4: know how many we're gonna get through the most burning
Speaker 4: of desires where the loins are just on fire.
Speaker 3: Start with those, and let's start with Mark Stesler.
Speaker 6: I have been looking around at a number of different teams,
Speaker 6: and the one that stands out for me in terms of,
Speaker 6: like you've got a glaring hole. Now are we saying
Speaker 6: this has to be like the first round? It's somewhere
Speaker 6: because it's not the greatest position. If there's a number
Speaker 6: of teams out there that that I think need uning backs.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because I think it's just issues. It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter where you fill them.
Speaker 6: And it's and we do talk about this team, but
Speaker 6: I look at the Dallas Cowboys as a team that
Speaker 6: like they've made They've shipped around their offensive line a
Speaker 6: little bit. It's not the strength that it was once
Speaker 6: and it hasn't been for years. But like, you've got
Speaker 6: issues at center potentially, but they're starting running back is
Speaker 6: douce Von, who I think is an interesting We went
Speaker 6: to training camp and kind of fell in love with them.
Speaker 4: Maybe Rico Daubto, I would say, but if they had
Speaker 4: to play a game today, right.
Speaker 6: And there's whispers that they're going to bring back Ezekial Elliott,
Speaker 6: which to me just flies in the face of everything
Speaker 6: that they're attempting to try to tell anyone that they're doing.
Speaker 6: They're doing very little. There are a couple decent running
Speaker 6: backs in this draft. Maybe it's not first round, but
Speaker 6: I need to see this team bring in some juice
Speaker 6: and bring in some youth and not re sign Zeke
Speaker 6: Elliott who is three or four years away out from
Speaker 6: being the guy he once was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the bargain shopping, just if I know that
Speaker 5: there's been a whole lot of all in criticism, like
Speaker 5: anytime anybody else does something, it's oh or the cow
Speaker 5: really all in. It can't be just bargain shopping the
Speaker 5: whole way through and trying to get a draft steal,
Speaker 5: like at some point they have to be proactive, enshuring
Speaker 5: a significant part of what this offense has been in
Speaker 5: the past four to five years. And I'm with you, Mark,
Speaker 5: Zeke can't be the answer. And I don't even know
Speaker 5: who the running back would be if they were to
Speaker 5: try to reach in round two or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's a horrible.
Speaker 4: It's a short but we say that, and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of good rookies that come out in the middle
Speaker 4: rounds every year, and some of these seem excite.
Speaker 3: It depends on who you listen to.
Speaker 4: Trey Benson or Marshall Lloyd sound to me like guys
Speaker 4: who would have a chance to come in and fill
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty five carries at a high level
Speaker 4: if you can block for them.
Speaker 3: But that that's.
Speaker 4: Part of the issue. I'm glad you mentioned the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: They were one of the eight or so teams I
Speaker 4: had the biggest star round because pick a position. This
Speaker 4: roster suddenly has also sorts of issues. Interior offensive line
Speaker 4: major issue. I'm assuming Tyler Smith is gonna play left tackle,
Speaker 4: but he was one of the best guards in the
Speaker 4: league I thought last year, so it could be left
Speaker 4: tackler guard. But like suddenly, you really need a center
Speaker 4: and a guard. You need a running back. That was
Speaker 4: next on my list. I think you need a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: You're okay for twenty four with Lamb Cooks and Tolbert,
Speaker 4: but you need to start developing another receiver there. They
Speaker 4: kind of fell apart last season because they didn't have
Speaker 4: anyone to play linebacker when vander esh got her, and like,
Speaker 4: linebackers are no longer important until the point where they're
Speaker 4: like ending the seasons for the Eagles and the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: and I think there's gonna be a little bit of
Speaker 4: a correction, and like they've kind of reached last year
Speaker 4: for Mazzie Smith in the first round in Luke Schoonmaker,
Speaker 4: and maybe those two guys work out after quiet rookie years,
Speaker 4: but they need Mozzie Smith to start right now because
Speaker 4: they don't have any defensive tackles. So that's like, that's
Speaker 4: another position where they have about as many screaming needs
Speaker 4: and as many stars and like wins over the last
Speaker 4: few years as any team. But man, they have a
Speaker 4: lot of big ones, a lot of burning design.
Speaker 5: I was looking for just in terms of bad offenses,
Speaker 5: trying to go through something for another show, and I
Speaker 5: sorted by.
Speaker 3: The wait what you do other shows?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a couple gotta hitch your bets.
Speaker 3: I mean, can you be specific here? Who is their enemy?
Speaker 2: Well? No, it's this was for.
Speaker 5: Path, a path to the draft and NFL going through
Speaker 5: team needs, so you know, the rising Todde lifts all boats.
Speaker 5: But I was I was.
Speaker 3: Looking Standel Teremiah on it so kind of an enemy, but.
Speaker 5: Okay, I was looking for the teams with the lowest
Speaker 5: average separation. You know, the Cowboys are in the bottom
Speaker 5: three of the league. MM, like what that was? That
Speaker 5: was surprising to me. I know Dak throws a lot
Speaker 5: of you know, tight window passes, and it's just everything
Speaker 5: shouldn't always be so hard.
Speaker 4: Well that isn't that like a Mike McCarthy offense. Yeah,
Speaker 4: trademark where it's like go win guys, and scheme isn't
Speaker 4: getting you open.
Speaker 3: Like that's why they got sick of them in Green Bay.
Speaker 5: And so like I understand, you know, it's twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four and we're not gonna build the whole offense around
Speaker 5: a running back. But as good as Deck is, maybe
Speaker 5: take something off of his plate. Yeah, just every once
Speaker 5: in a while.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 6: That was the complaining an off season ago. And it's
Speaker 6: gotten worse.
Speaker 4: All right, Patrick, hit me with another one. All right,
Speaker 4: another team.
Speaker 5: Let's go to another place that has a burning desire.
Speaker 5: A burning desire to me is when it's really a need,
Speaker 5: like it's it's obvious to you and everybody else did.
Speaker 2: When you walk in the room. That's what you want.
Speaker 5: And we're gonna have Nathaniel Hackett's offense coming back and
Speaker 5: having Aaron Rodgers, which I would make the argument that it's.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers offense.
Speaker 5: And the Jets have been very proactive, but they have
Speaker 5: a burning desire not just for a position for Brock
Speaker 5: Bauers or Romo Dounze Woo. They need Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 5: look out there and make eye contact with somebody and
Speaker 5: do something based on their matchup that's completely independent of
Speaker 5: Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 3: Weill said.
Speaker 5: And I think it's gotta be one of those two players.
Speaker 2: Considering where they're picking in the draft.
Speaker 5: If everybody's running to get quarterbacks, if somebody jumps up
Speaker 5: and has a higher opinion of Quinon Mitchell or Tryon,
Speaker 5: if they've got to get one of those two.
Speaker 3: I kind of love this.
Speaker 6: I especially think Bauers fits for a couple of teams,
Speaker 6: and like I almost thought the Jets for a candidate.
Speaker 3: To maybe even trade up if they really.
Speaker 6: Want to go all in and get like Marvin harrit
Speaker 6: It's like you go get the best wide receiver in
Speaker 6: the draft. If you want to trade up with the Chargers,
Speaker 6: but the charger zone burning need makes that a little difficult.
Speaker 6: But if you replace Alan Lazard with a dunn't see,
Speaker 6: then you've got Mike Williams, who, like Mike Williams, is
Speaker 6: probably gonna miss five or six skeedus.
Speaker 4: He doesn't need to be open to make a catch.
Speaker 4: To Patrick's point, I just.
Speaker 3: Think like you.
Speaker 6: You just you'd have the best wide out group in
Speaker 6: the league if the rookie plays up to what we
Speaker 6: think it can be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be sexy. And those are three guys
Speaker 4: like Garrett Wilson gets open on his own, a Dunez,
Speaker 4: and Mike Williams, to me, is one of the best
Speaker 4: contested catch receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I didn't get this this Alaurien Yu during
Speaker 6: my opener, So next time, I hope, I do.
Speaker 2: I hope to.
Speaker 3: The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4: They make a lot of mistakes in their front office,
Speaker 4: and they survived, and they're in the middle and sometimes
Speaker 4: they just like a player too much and they give
Speaker 4: up multiple first round picks to move up and sign
Speaker 4: a project by the name of Trevor Penning that was
Speaker 4: in the first round a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they get hooked on a guy and it works.
Speaker 3: It's Chrys a lobby.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes it's Trevor Penning who seemed to be
Speaker 4: in the doghouse and they wouldn't play them even Tho
Speaker 4: when they were playing the fourth string left tackle. Now
Speaker 4: they're entering a season right now without really any left tackle.
Speaker 4: I guess it'd be maybe Landing Young, maybe it'd be
Speaker 4: Trevor Penning. And I look at this team and I'm
Speaker 4: I just look at like they don't have a third receiver.
Speaker 4: It's a lobby and Shaheed, but you can survive without that.
Speaker 4: And I look at this position, and it's always concerning
Speaker 4: for a front office when you have a burning desire
Speaker 4: for a position you just tried to fill a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago.
Speaker 3: But this guy seemed to get into.
Speaker 4: Some sort of interpersonal issue with the coach, which is
Speaker 4: also a feature of this organization. Not a bug, or
Speaker 4: it is a bug, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It is a feature. It is a feature and a bug.
Speaker 5: And that's the that's the most painful thing about it
Speaker 5: is that I had this as a burning desire myself,
Speaker 5: right you did.
Speaker 2: Because it was a burning desire.
Speaker 5: I was in there in New Orleans during the draft,
Speaker 5: and it was so obvious that they needed a tackle,
Speaker 5: like that was what they were going to do. And
Speaker 5: so they get Trevor Penning and and there's the foot issue,
Speaker 5: and then there's Liz Frank and it seems like this is,
Speaker 5: as Michael Thomas pointed out on Twitter, like this is
Speaker 5: a recurring theme where somebody has something and then it's well,
Speaker 5: let's see how it goes, and then the player has
Speaker 5: to get surgery on their own time, not during the season,
Speaker 5: and then they're late getting into the next season. And
Speaker 5: you wonder, you know, if Ryan Ramchick could have had
Speaker 5: that surgery that he had in February, if that's a
Speaker 5: December surgery, are things a little bit different now? And
Speaker 5: so it's it's back. It's back as a burning desire,
Speaker 5: and do we start this whole process over again or
Speaker 5: do they they maybe try to move up, use whatever
Speaker 5: they can to get them more.
Speaker 4: Now, this is a deep class, so if nothing else,
Speaker 4: I think they could sit there and take one. But
Speaker 4: it it's disappointed. I'm glad you mentioned Ramcheck. Dennis Allen
Speaker 4: told reporters and I don't think we mentioned it on
Speaker 4: the show that his procedure is not recovering as quickly
Speaker 4: as hoped.
Speaker 3: And he's had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 4: He was a really fantastic pick, a fantastic player whose
Speaker 4: injuries have caused him to miss significant time and he
Speaker 4: hasn't been as effective.
Speaker 3: And there's been little whispers even about like.
Speaker 4: Not retirement because they renegotiated his contract, but just like
Speaker 4: his knees in a lot of trouble. So that's two
Speaker 4: major issues for the Saints. I do want to hear
Speaker 4: the music behind you at this time.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 6: I can think of someone out there that went through
Speaker 6: a breakup. This individual engineered it and so he's probably
Speaker 6: not the one feeling the heartbreak. But Sean Payton and
Speaker 6: the Russell Wilson relationship, which you know, a calendar.
Speaker 3: Year ago, there was hope that he could make the
Speaker 3: most out of it.
Speaker 6: Well that's over, that's out the door. And I can't
Speaker 6: think of another coach in the league. While everyone's heming
Speaker 6: and hauling and keeping secrets about what they want to do,
Speaker 6: Sean Payton has like openly talked about like the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 6: Another team sitting up there, the Chargers in absolutely enviable
Speaker 6: positions for someone like him who has his eye a
Speaker 6: wandering eye on a new quarterback, because I don't think
Speaker 6: Sean Payton wants to after last season, mine in the
Speaker 6: year two and do nothing in this position. Now he's
Speaker 6: in a tough spot because likely four of them will
Speaker 6: be gone if they can't.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, if they can't engineer.
Speaker 6: A trade up that that was our last episode's concept
Speaker 6: and we didn't have them doing that, then you're looking
Speaker 6: at probably someone like bon Nick's out of Oregon to
Speaker 6: be Sean Payton's quarterback. And the more I've gotten into
Speaker 6: this player, I'm not saying it's the fifth quarterback, and
Speaker 6: that's risky and you don't have to you don't want
Speaker 6: to sell the farm on it.
Speaker 3: But he's accurate, he's.
Speaker 6: Athletic, he's got pocket poise, he's got a little bit
Speaker 6: of a running game to him. It sounds like someone
Speaker 6: that Sean Payton could work with. He's a heady quarterback.
Speaker 6: It's not ideal, but if you're Denver less, ideal is
Speaker 6: coming out of this with no quarterback at all and
Speaker 6: trying to make it through a depressing, one more depressing
Speaker 6: year in Denver. Well, probably Russell Wilson's like as the
Speaker 6: way football works, Russell Wilson's in Pittsburgh, like winning games,
Speaker 6: or like a Steelers team that's five and one.
Speaker 4: Bo Nicks does make a little sense to me for them,
Speaker 4: just maybe not at twelve, like it's a little rich.
Speaker 3: Hit him in the second round, get him in the
Speaker 3: third round. Maybe, like a lot of times.
Speaker 4: These quarterback, especially the fifth sixth ones that we talk
Speaker 4: about maybe going you could trade down back to like high,
Speaker 4: don't go as high as you hope, because then then
Speaker 4: you're really reaching for talent. Those comments from Peyton at
Speaker 4: the owners meetings really made me take a step back
Speaker 4: because you know, I've watched John Payton from AFAR for
Speaker 4: a long time and the way he uses the media
Speaker 4: is one of a kind. And I guess the way
Speaker 4: I would say he uses the media very often is
Speaker 4: he does not tell the complete truth to them, you know,
Speaker 4: so like, why are you throwing it out there that
Speaker 4: you want to trade up? It's like, okay, well then
Speaker 4: I just and it's this time of year, I'm not
Speaker 4: breaking any news that almost any coach in GM talking
Speaker 4: about their draft plans, you can look askance at why
Speaker 4: is he throwing that out so hard at an odor
Speaker 4: as being because when I hear that, I sort of
Speaker 4: assume he means the opposite, which is that he's not
Speaker 4: going to be doing that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but maybe he's like Jedi.
Speaker 4: Mind tricking me to the point really is it's going
Speaker 4: to require a Jedi mind trick to go into the
Speaker 4: season with Jared Stidham and Tanucci. Right, he did say,
Speaker 4: you know, Jared Stidham is going to have some serious competition.
Speaker 4: He did not want to entertain any questions that like that.
Speaker 5: Maybe he meant maybe he meant from Bin Denucci right,
Speaker 5: that sounds serious the wrong way us coming. I do
Speaker 5: think it be aware of Galaxy branding things that shot.
Speaker 5: I think like Sean Payton may be telling the truth
Speaker 5: okay a lot of times, which is something he's got
Speaker 5: in trouble for saying too much of the truth. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I think the player they want to trade for is
Speaker 5: Caleb and that opportunity seems to have passed, and so like,
Speaker 5: what's what's he willing to give the farm for?
Speaker 6: They do have more draft capital than people would realize.
Speaker 6: Like I keep thinking like Husse of the Russell wasn't
Speaker 6: in there, like they have no they have a bunch
Speaker 6: of draft picks.
Speaker 3: Like, they also have a lot of needs.
Speaker 4: Like, what is a position group that the Broncos feel
Speaker 4: great about? I like, I don't see one. The offensive line, eh,
Speaker 4: like Patrick swattans'r best player. And they still need cornerbacks
Speaker 4: right Their second cornerback was picked on mercilessly. Although they
Speaker 4: did find someone in jo Quon McMillan. It was a
Speaker 4: nice story for a nickelback. You know, Simmons is no
Speaker 4: longer like I guess they feel okay at safety Cadence
Speaker 4: Terns and Brandon Jones.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't even know.
Speaker 4: There's not a position group you look at and you're like, well,
Speaker 4: that's the identity of the team. That's a huge strength.
Speaker 4: I they are very very uh milk tested me. You
Speaker 4: know who else is not milk toast is that.
Speaker 3: There is a Cardinal.
Speaker 4: They don't even have any milk in their toast.
Speaker 3: I heard I heard one one podcast.
Speaker 4: It was Bill Simmons with Mena Kimes saying that a
Speaker 4: lot of people going big on the over six and
Speaker 4: a half for the Cardinals right off the bat, and
Speaker 4: there's this idea I like the Cardinals coaching staff that
Speaker 4: the Cardinals are this team on the rise, and then
Speaker 4: I go to our lads dot Com NFL depth charts
Speaker 4: and I look, the entire roster is a burning desire.
Speaker 4: I have a burning desire for their entire defense to
Speaker 4: be improved. There's very little talent on it. Wide receiver
Speaker 4: would be another position. They've got an offensive line, they've
Speaker 4: got a quarterback, They've got James Connor. They really don't
Speaker 4: have much else. Their entire defense, I would say, is
Speaker 4: as talent poor. I would put it thirty second in
Speaker 4: the league out of thirty two. So to me, that
Speaker 4: is a burning, burning desire, and they inherited a tough situation.
Speaker 4: I really believe in the coaching staff. I think this
Speaker 4: is gonna be a good coaching staff based on what
Speaker 4: I saw a year ago, and that can improve your team.
Speaker 3: But man, they need a talent infusion.
Speaker 4: I think they're going about it the right way, trading back,
Speaker 4: getting more picks last year, and you hope those picks hit.
Speaker 4: I think they had a good draft last year. They
Speaker 4: might be trading back again. But when I see a
Speaker 4: burning desire that I see the fire of Jonathan Gannon
Speaker 4: saying I need some players to go along with this
Speaker 4: scheme that is working pretty well.
Speaker 3: Because I do not see a lot of strengths on
Speaker 3: this team. I see a whole lot of weeks shooooo shoo.
Speaker 6: I think if you're a Cardinals fan, if you're watching
Speaker 6: what's happened over the last like thirteen months, you have
Speaker 6: to be extremely encouraged.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on the coaching staff.
Speaker 4: I will say this, I get it, and I get it,
Speaker 4: like we have encouraged from the bottom of the barrel
Speaker 4: to next. But to me, it's like, I think you
Speaker 4: look at this and it's like, man, they have a
Speaker 4: lot of work.
Speaker 3: If they hit on the draft picks.
Speaker 6: Though, because I think the master plan is like they
Speaker 6: it feels to me it's like eighty percent that they
Speaker 6: trade out of the fourth spot, and then you've got
Speaker 6: let's say it's the Vikings the most likely trade partner.
Speaker 6: You've got the eleventh and the twenty third, and I
Speaker 6: think you address maybe edge, maybe it's Dallas Turner for instance,
Speaker 6: at eleven, if you ever got down there past the
Speaker 6: Foel Welkins, and then you get your wide receiver at
Speaker 6: twenty three, and you've had two major needs addressed, and
Speaker 6: you have accrued probably additional picks and everything else.
Speaker 4: It's a corner or it's like an interior off depends why.
Speaker 4: I mean, the good part of needing something everywhere. And yeah,
Speaker 4: and they might be pushing back to Cardinals fancying, hey
Speaker 4: we hit on Garrett Williams last year. Yeah he was
Speaker 4: a good rookie, but you still need more than one.
Speaker 4: And Buddha Baker like, you could almost improve any position
Speaker 4: on the roster other than I think you feel pretty
Speaker 4: good about tackle and quarterback.
Speaker 5: But when those are your needs, it does put you
Speaker 5: in a position where if you're in a trade down spot,
Speaker 5: you can fill a couple of those spot. You can
Speaker 5: get down into the early teens, take a shot at
Speaker 5: Jared Verse, you get your edge, you know, depending on
Speaker 5: how you want to fill things out. But if it's
Speaker 5: not because I think the easy idea is stay and
Speaker 5: take Marvin Harrison junior, right, that's the.
Speaker 3: Also not the worst idea, Yeah, not a bad one.
Speaker 5: If that's if that's the problem, then then you're in
Speaker 5: a good spot. I mean, of course you'd like to
Speaker 5: have better talent on your own, absolutely, but it's there's
Speaker 5: not a situation like this is in a Saints type situation.
Speaker 5: We have to stay and watch everybody pick and then gee,
Speaker 5: I hope we get a tackle because like this.
Speaker 2: Is this is clearly what we need. That they could
Speaker 2: do whatever they want, all right.
Speaker 3: What I want to do or what I'm asked to do.
Speaker 3: Take a quick break. We'll be back after that. I
Speaker 3: don't trust Greg during these breaks. Who knows what he's
Speaker 3: gonna get.
Speaker 2: Up to, especial when desires burning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're back.
Speaker 4: We got burning desires, and I got a burning desire
Speaker 4: to hit as many teams as possible. So we're gonna
Speaker 4: try to go even faster with this last little segment.
Speaker 4: And uh, I'm gonna start with a burning desire of
Speaker 4: The Miami Dolphins feel like they haven't gotten a lot
Speaker 4: of attention this year.
Speaker 3: It's offseason. I like what they've done. I like their roster.
Speaker 3: They got a sneaky desire.
Speaker 4: They've spent a lot of money on Jalen Phillips and
Speaker 4: Bradley Chubb, but they've also lost a couple of big
Speaker 4: time rotational edge guys this year. One of their artist,
Speaker 4: Phillips is coming off of torn achilles. One of them's
Speaker 4: coming off of a torn acl and I look at
Speaker 4: their front, their edge, and then especially defensive tackle right
Speaker 4: next to those edges, and I see a big holes
Speaker 4: on that Miami front. So I think that is a
Speaker 4: position group, whether it's interior or the edge, planning a
Speaker 4: little bit for the future that they need because Jalen
Speaker 4: Phillips and Browley Chubb might not be ready for week one,
Speaker 4: and it's unfair to expect them to be kind of
Speaker 4: full Jalen Phillips Browleychubb in week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, people have linked like Byron Murphy, that would be good.
Speaker 6: Exist that makes sense. I flip in and say that
Speaker 6: they ow an issue at left guard like they cannot.
Speaker 6: I just don't like the idea of not having the
Speaker 6: best possible offensive line with Tua the way he is.
Speaker 4: But you can do baby, can coach, Yeah, can coach.
Speaker 4: I mean you can do both. You can do in
Speaker 4: the second and third round. And yeah, I think they've
Speaker 4: done a good job coaching up.
Speaker 3: Aren't a lot of great guards in this one.
Speaker 5: But the offensive line, Yeah, the interior offensive line jumps
Speaker 5: out there to me because they've done so much right
Speaker 5: in terms of still they the skill positions on the
Speaker 5: team that you're not even necessarily worried about it, and
Speaker 5: you think, you know, considering the way that they can play,
Speaker 5: and when you.
Speaker 4: Might want to plan a little bit for the future.
Speaker 4: I did think about writing down third receiver, but for
Speaker 4: now they're You're right right to say that that's not
Speaker 4: a burning desire.
Speaker 3: That's just like a little that'd be nice.
Speaker 5: But I feel the intense heat emanating off of the
Speaker 5: interior offensive line right as right, as well as you
Speaker 5: know some spots on the defense, all right, Mark.
Speaker 6: I am the most fascinated outside of Houston with the
Speaker 6: Los Angeles Chargers under Jim Harbot because I think that
Speaker 6: you know, up up at number five, if they don't move,
Speaker 6: they're gonna get They probably get Marvin Harrison Junior. That's
Speaker 6: nice and that addresses a lot of issues, but there's
Speaker 6: still going to be like this run heavy, old school
Speaker 6: team from like nineteen thirty six. I think it at
Speaker 6: certain times if they're up and they want to do that,
Speaker 6: and it's like Gus Edwards I like a lot actually,
Speaker 6: and I think he fits well and like he's obviously
Speaker 6: got the hardbass stamp of approval from his Baltimore time
Speaker 6: as well. But I'm looking at what they do at
Speaker 6: the running back position too, and I know we'd mentioned
Speaker 6: that for the Cowboys. So there are a couple teams
Speaker 6: competing for running backs later on. And then I'm like realizing,
Speaker 6: you can go Jonathan Brooks from Texas. I watched some
Speaker 6: of him. Interesting player, But then there's Lake Krum from Michigan.
Speaker 6: Literally John or Jim Harbaugh's old running back, not rated
Speaker 6: as highly by most and not maybe you know Derrek
Speaker 6: Henry part two, but just like, what will Harbaugh do
Speaker 6: to I think he's gonna want like four or five
Speaker 6: running backs to compete and like lead the league and
Speaker 6: rushing attempts. And so I just want to see, because
Speaker 6: there's so many Michigan players in the draft, how many
Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh Michigan players link up through this whole process.
Speaker 2: I think I think we may get a couple.
Speaker 5: But I also don't think considering because we've seen how
Speaker 5: much of the Ravens staff is in Los Angeles now,
Speaker 5: like how much that shared that it's not just the
Speaker 5: self scouting that's gone on in Michigan. But Harball's not
Speaker 5: coming into this being completely unaware of and if this
Speaker 5: isn't like a an urban Meyer type situation where gosh,
Speaker 5: just free stylin and doesn't necessarily know what the players
Speaker 5: are and who the competition is. I do think that
Speaker 5: while if the players in the right spot, we will
Speaker 5: see Michigan guys over there.
Speaker 2: But I do think the general view.
Speaker 5: Of how Harball is going to run this thing, especially
Speaker 5: starting with the draft, might not necessarily be the ultimate turnout.
Speaker 2: I do think the world is kind of open.
Speaker 4: I do too, and I think a wide receiver is
Speaker 4: very possible at that pick. Everyone thinks they're just going
Speaker 4: to talk off the offensive line because he's so into
Speaker 4: the offensive.
Speaker 3: Line at five. We'll see at five, right with you.
Speaker 3: They're exciting. They have a lot of needs losses.
Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, we've talked a lot about the
Speaker 5: Houston Texans. But sometimes you look and see how happy
Speaker 5: the neighbor is and you start to wonder about your
Speaker 5: own relationships. And I think the Jacksonville Jaguars have a
Speaker 5: burning desire, not just for talent in general. But let's
Speaker 5: discuss the cornerback situation and then the secondary situation in
Speaker 5: jackson A great football mind, and Greg Rosenthal pointed out
Speaker 5: to me, despite my excitement about the twenty twenty three
Speaker 5: Jacksonville Jaguars before the season. There are some real problems
Speaker 5: in the secondary, and those problems did hold up, and
Speaker 5: there are some cornerback needy teams in front of the Jacks.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the Indianapolis Colts. But let's say there's
Speaker 5: a Quinnyon Mitchell or a kool Aid McKinstry or a
Speaker 5: Terry On Arnold. I think one of those guys could
Speaker 5: fulfill a burning desire for the Jacksonville jack Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it was probably a debate what's their biggest need,
Speaker 4: like an interior defensive lineman or a cornerback, and then
Speaker 4: they get our Armstead and then that kind of answers
Speaker 4: that question. They need a wide receiver too, I really
Speaker 4: believe it, and I think they'll be open to it
Speaker 4: at that point in the draft. There is a chance
Speaker 4: that it's Brian Thomas, but maybe they look at someone
Speaker 4: that it's a second round pick at wide receiver. But
Speaker 4: they seemed very much like a cornerback wide receiver type
Speaker 4: of team. When when you sign Ronald Darby, who who
Speaker 4: I've always kind of liked it.
Speaker 3: He's like, he's a.
Speaker 4: Little better than you think, but he's that guy that
Speaker 4: kind of gets signed to late in the mix to
Speaker 4: fill in for your starters and then plays more than
Speaker 4: you think and you're like, oh, I was a good
Speaker 4: signing this time. He was like an early signing because
Speaker 4: they were just like, we need someone to start worth
Speaker 4: signing him. If that's your number two cornerback, you need
Speaker 4: you need more, you need more in the future.
Speaker 2: They were.
Speaker 5: They were lost in the woods without Christian Kirk the
Speaker 5: end of the season.
Speaker 2: It was a direcese.
Speaker 4: They did not expect them, fell out the side of
Speaker 4: the earth. They did not expectation Calvin Ridley. They really thought,
Speaker 4: I think it was going to be Ridley gave Davison
Speaker 4: z uh and Christian Kerk still reasonably deep. I like
Speaker 4: the Devin Duverney signing. Let's stay in the division. The
Speaker 4: Colts just keep keeping their guys, That's what they do.
Speaker 4: They signed Julian Blackman's safety this week. Thought that was
Speaker 4: a nice move. But they need more. They need more
Speaker 4: pizzazz around Anthony Richardson. Keeping Michael Pittman is not enough.
Speaker 4: You need another receiver. This is another team I look
Speaker 4: at as receivers and cornerbacks, receiver and cornerback like they
Speaker 4: need them both. They're not they don't have enough juice
Speaker 4: with Gus Bradley and their defense. And they tried with
Speaker 4: a couple of picks last year at cornerback and they're
Speaker 4: young there, but they could add another, but they keep
Speaker 4: taking receivers and Alec Pierce right now looks like kind
Speaker 4: of a foul ball that's not really working out. Josh Downs,
Speaker 4: I think is gonna be a solid single, especially for
Speaker 4: a third round pick.
Speaker 3: Maybe even better than that, maybe a double.
Speaker 4: But I think they need more juice at wide receiver
Speaker 4: and cornerback.
Speaker 3: Those are two positions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cornerback release stands up. But it's like, we don't
Speaker 6: know a lot about Anthony Richardson. I like what we saw,
Speaker 6: but it's like, of course, just like keep giving him
Speaker 6: targets tight ends wide receivers because their overall wide receiver
Speaker 6: group is just kind of like blah bowl of an
Speaker 6: all ice creams.
Speaker 3: Let's get some guys who can make some plays on
Speaker 3: their own.
Speaker 2: How about you.
Speaker 3: More, Let's go out to Seattle. Ooh ooh, yeah that
Speaker 3: was wait.
Speaker 6: New coaching staff. They've got defensive tackle needs. You could
Speaker 6: look at a couple of different parts of the defense,
Speaker 6: but I am focused on the interior offensive line to
Speaker 6: keep Gino Smith safe, to open up the ground game.
Speaker 6: They've got four guys right now competing for the center
Speaker 6: and two guard spots who have a combined sixteen starts
Speaker 6: in professional football, and some of that's developmental. And you
Speaker 6: always hear them say we like our young guys, but
Speaker 6: it's like in a pretty solid offensive line draft, like
Speaker 6: whether it's you're going to get a different tackle to
Speaker 6: move somewhere around, Like, let's just keep working on this
Speaker 6: offensive line.
Speaker 3: That was where I'd start with Seattle, and it was
Speaker 3: bad last year.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the reason why I pushed back
Speaker 4: against a lot of the Gino criticism from a year ago,
Speaker 4: because the offensive line really struggled and if you kind
Speaker 4: of divorced him from like plays he was protected, he
Speaker 4: he did really well. They also need an edge, Like
Speaker 4: to me, they just keep I don't know what they're
Speaker 4: doing on defense exactly. Mike McDonald comes in and they
Speaker 4: bring an Aiden Dirt to be their defensive curdinate dirty
Speaker 4: from Dallas, the defensive line coach from a totally different system.
Speaker 4: So I think that's good. He's like welcoming in different thoughts.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Mike McDonald's team, though, but they've been
Speaker 4: just kind of picking around the edges here in general.
Speaker 4: They fix their linebacker position, they sign Jerome Baker, Thrill
Speaker 4: Dots and kind of or at least change their linebacker position.
Speaker 4: But they just keep adding all these edges that are
Speaker 4: just like, okay, like boy Mafe, Darryl Taylor Nuosu was
Speaker 4: a good signing. They drafted Derek Hall in the second
Speaker 4: round last year that didn't exactly work. Like they still
Speaker 4: need like a guy that's a dude, like an un
Speaker 4: they keep They have a lot of good twos and threes,
Speaker 4: they need a one. And I think when I think
Speaker 4: about a Mike McDonald defense, I think you definitely want that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially considering because the Ravens defense on the
Speaker 5: interior last year is just a breakout year on the
Speaker 5: part of Justin Madeak, Davian Clowney had his best season
Speaker 5: in a very very long time, And you just wonder,
Speaker 5: who's the Who's the guy that's gonna play seventy five
Speaker 5: percent of the snaps right out there on the edge,
Speaker 5: maybe get eight and a half none sacks and isn't
Speaker 5: really coming off the field. And I think they've tried.
Speaker 5: I think that's what the MAFE pick the Taylor pick, and.
Speaker 3: And it's the same GM.
Speaker 4: So it's a little that's where like where they are
Speaker 4: is a little confusing to me. Not confusing, but it's
Speaker 4: just a different sort of overhaul that John Schneider, the
Speaker 4: guy who in theory was making the pick, although we
Speaker 4: know it was him and Carroll.
Speaker 3: Now it's really just Schnyder.
Speaker 2: So now the problem is fixed. Pizza.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't know that. I just I think
Speaker 4: they've got a chance. I think they've got a chance
Speaker 4: to be pretty good. Actually, they have a lot of.
Speaker 3: Things that you would want. I'm going to talk about
Speaker 3: te might feel like it's kind of gotten.
Speaker 4: It's under the radar a little bit of the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers this offseason, just because they haven't done a lot.
Speaker 4: And when I look at their offensive line especially, but
Speaker 4: I would look at cornerback two of like, they always
Speaker 4: make the offensive line work, they always make the cornerback
Speaker 4: room work. And you can't pay everyone, and this is
Speaker 4: the salary cap era, and they're paying money to their
Speaker 4: receivers and Nick Bosa and they're gonna pay Brandon Nyuk hopefully.
Speaker 4: I think that will happen eventually, you gotta get cheap elsewhere. Man,
Speaker 4: wouldn't it be nice to have some like badass offensive line.
Speaker 4: You've got Trent Williams and just four guys you coach up,
Speaker 4: and then you got Tarvarius Ward and some guys you
Speaker 4: coach up. And so I think this is a draft
Speaker 4: issue that they're only gonna get these premium players if
Speaker 4: they can hit on draft picks, and that it's a
Speaker 4: tough needle thread. You can find your AYU deep in
Speaker 4: the first round and that'll change your team. And to me,
Speaker 4: they could really use that cornerback and especially the offensive
Speaker 4: line instead of coaching them up enough to be like
Speaker 4: good enough, Like let's have some bad asses. Trent Williams
Speaker 4: is not gonna be, you know, at this Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame ridiculous level forever. And cornerbacks.
Speaker 6: I could see them as a candidate to trade up
Speaker 6: if they love a tackle and they can swing a
Speaker 6: deal to get just to not wait until thirty one
Speaker 6: to get the guy if it's if there's a run
Speaker 6: on tackles, and I agree, like they could get someone
Speaker 6: to come in and compete at right tackle. And Trent
Speaker 6: Williams is still there, but it's like, be aggressive. You're
Speaker 6: the Niners, Like, don't wait for the third or fourth,
Speaker 6: fifth best option.
Speaker 4: The salary cap is real, I always you know, it's
Speaker 4: an exaggerationing state. It's not real, but it can be
Speaker 4: negotiating for more for more teams than not. It's harder
Speaker 4: to find great to good players to use that cap
Speaker 4: space on. The forty nine ers are the exception. They
Speaker 4: keep finding these great players so much that it really
Speaker 4: is an issue with them in terms of team building
Speaker 4: that it makes John Lynch have to really hit these picks.
Speaker 4: And I just feel looking at their roster they again
Speaker 4: are kind of at a point where they need to
Speaker 4: start infusing the next super duper stars, and that's tough
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 5: And especially when so many teams are in a position
Speaker 5: where it's even worse than the forty nine ers up front,
Speaker 5: like they don't have a Hall of Famer at left
Speaker 5: tackle to say, well, at least that right, at least
Speaker 5: that's there.
Speaker 3: True and a coach that seems to make it work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're competing against the rest of the league
Speaker 5: which is in a similar position of need where now,
Speaker 5: thanks to their success, more than half of the league
Speaker 5: is running the same.
Speaker 2: Offense right where everybody's looking for the same player.
Speaker 3: I know that, and picking ahead of them in this draft.
Speaker 3: You we have not reached saturation.
Speaker 4: To me, Alex van Pelt in New England might be
Speaker 4: the saturation point when I mean, look, they haven't all
Speaker 4: worked either, Like Luke Getzi with the Bears didn't really work.
Speaker 4: Like that's that tree. Not everyone in this tree is
Speaker 4: going to work. But at some point the saturation is
Speaker 4: an issue. Like when eight to ten gms in the
Speaker 4: league were drafting similar players to the Patriots because they
Speaker 4: were all Patriots disciples.
Speaker 3: Around the league.
Speaker 4: I think that created a real, you know, competitive problem
Speaker 4: for the Patriots and these other teams. And I think
Speaker 4: the same thing is going to happen with all these
Speaker 4: McVeigh offenses at some point. All right, let's pause one
Speaker 4: more time. We will app things up on the other
Speaker 4: side and we are back. Okay, let's let's go speed round.
Speaker 4: We'll each go one last one.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I'm looking at the team that just lost
Speaker 5: to the San Francisco Ford Nunders. That was a fun
Speaker 5: team for all of us. The Detroit Lion, glad you
Speaker 5: picked them. They have a burning desire for a playmaker.
Speaker 5: In the secondary. I really don't care if it's a cornerback,
Speaker 5: if it's a safety, maybe it's a Cooper de Jon,
Speaker 5: who knows. But this identity of this football team, you
Speaker 5: can find it every place, even in quarterback and Jared
Speaker 5: Golf all the way to the defensive line. But the
Speaker 5: secondary is just kind of there.
Speaker 6: And they've been trying, and they don't have a ton
Speaker 6: of needs. So it's like, go get that thing that
Speaker 6: you need.
Speaker 4: I would I would push back a little bit on
Speaker 4: that one. I think they need help up front on
Speaker 4: both sides, and you're right, they're in a good spot
Speaker 4: where it's not these screaming needs. But they came in
Speaker 4: drafting Pinasoul saying they're gonna be all about the offensive line.
Speaker 4: He is by far the youngest guy on that offensive line.
Speaker 4: It's an older group. They haven't brought in anyone that's
Speaker 4: me any difference there, and so I think they need
Speaker 4: to start thinking about the future on the offense and
Speaker 4: the defensive line. The defensive line picks other than Hutchinson
Speaker 4: have been, you know, not all bad, but they haven't
Speaker 4: had big hits.
Speaker 3: And if you're counting on Marcus Davenboord and.
Speaker 4: DJ Reeder to be your starters coming off injuries and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think they get back to a Dan Campbell meat
Speaker 4: and potatoes linemen on both sides.
Speaker 3: See I snuck in my opinion on that one. It
Speaker 3: wasn't mine. I had go to Baltimore.
Speaker 6: I think that they it's fair to say that they
Speaker 6: are in this state in life where they're a little reckless.
Speaker 3: They need all sorts of things.
Speaker 6: They have more needs than you'd realize, like, and it
Speaker 6: starts with the fact that they let John Simpson, Kevin Zeitler,
Speaker 6: Morgan Moses all leave off the offensive line. You still
Speaker 6: have Ronnie Stanley, Patrick McCarry, Tyler Linderbaum, but you'd need
Speaker 6: help at guard I think, or look at an upgrade there.
Speaker 6: But I could also say you could say they they
Speaker 6: need you could you could upgrade a tackle if you
Speaker 6: wanted to. You need edge rushers. You have no more
Speaker 6: ol Odell Beckham. And you're in a place at wide
Speaker 6: out where you're you've reversed back a season where you've
Speaker 6: taken weapons away from Lamar Jackson. So they could go
Speaker 6: in a lot of different directions here. I don't think
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have a problem with them picking a different
Speaker 6: change difference changing wide out as well, but like they
Speaker 6: kind of need a lot, Like they were the Ravens
Speaker 6: bled a lot of talent off this roster.
Speaker 4: They did, and probably more than any team in the league.
Speaker 4: Their roster feels like an incomplete now, just because we
Speaker 4: know how they work, playing the supplemental or compensatory pick
Speaker 4: game and waiting and signing a lot of veteranss. I
Speaker 4: think there's seventeen guys left off my one oh one
Speaker 4: they're going to be signing. I feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of players that are free agents and available that end
Speaker 4: up playing three to five hundred snaps for them. And
Speaker 4: Eric DaCosta uh and his predecessor as you knew, some
Speaker 4: who's still there. I mean, it's like this guy retires
Speaker 4: and then he's he's in the booth at the combine.
Speaker 3: Is he really retired. I don't know. To me, he's
Speaker 3: probably contributing. Uh.
Speaker 4: They do a great job, but I'm with you they
Speaker 4: I feel like they have a lot of snaps to
Speaker 4: still find this offseason.
Speaker 6: They do always have like seventeen to eighteen third round
Speaker 6: picks at the end of the right and.
Speaker 4: So they'll do it that way. But I'm with especially
Speaker 4: you shout it out Ed Dresher. I think that that
Speaker 4: is definitely something they would want to address. Cornerback is
Speaker 4: another for my final one, where shall I go? You know,
Speaker 4: when it comes to the Patriots, it's just been all
Speaker 4: quarterback talk. They don't have a left tackle. It's possibly
Speaker 4: the worst wide receiver group in the NFL. Right the
Speaker 4: case it is, I think Kristian Gonzal is going to
Speaker 4: be a great pro. They need cornerbacks, like a lot
Speaker 4: of needs here, just saying they have some burning desires
Speaker 4: outside of quarterback.
Speaker 3: I just I think I don't know.
Speaker 6: Like it's interesting because we could have imagined what Bill
Speaker 6: Belichick might do in this situation. It's hard to know
Speaker 6: what this front office will do necessarily. But like there
Speaker 6: is a that they can get too cute and not
Speaker 6: get a quarterback. I get that you trade down, but
Speaker 6: then too cute and don't want to get a wide
Speaker 6: receiver and too cute and don't get one of these
Speaker 6: other Just like let's be you need everything, but get
Speaker 6: the positions that you want a rookie contract, like you
Speaker 6: want a quarterback on a rookie contract. You want if
Speaker 6: you're gonna have a diva wide out. You want him
Speaker 6: on a rookie contract like you want a left tackle.
Speaker 6: You want him on a rookie contract, versus like trying
Speaker 6: to pick up these other Their group of wideouts is
Speaker 6: one of the most the least creative team building collections
Speaker 6: of pass catchers.
Speaker 3: You can imagine the last half decade. It's pretty rough.
Speaker 4: Ten Kendrick Bourne is your best guy, but he's coming
Speaker 4: off a torn aco I kind of pop.
Speaker 3: Douglas was good last year.
Speaker 4: I mean, they just they just have issues, and yet
Speaker 4: they do not think they should trade out. If Adam
Speaker 4: Schefter is right, as he said on his podcast, is
Speaker 4: this week given me this hope that he really thinks
Speaker 4: it's Jayden Daniels at two when he puts that out
Speaker 4: there in early April, He's tended to be right.
Speaker 6: Daniels is three versus the Commander's taking Daniels.
Speaker 3: He says, what did I just say? Said?
Speaker 2: You said Daniels it too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just got what I want. That's what I want.
Speaker 4: I would be happy with Jade and Daniels too, but
Speaker 4: I feel I really like the idea of Drake may Well.
Speaker 6: Let's hope that, you know, every Patriots fan gets what
Speaker 6: they want a quarterback after two or three tough seasons.
Speaker 2: With all our hearts go out to you.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 4: Eagles get a freaking linebacker. It it keeps ruining your seasons.
Speaker 4: And then you, you know, get a linebacker you didn't
Speaker 4: know what you had with Kaizier.
Speaker 3: White Bucks get an edge. Giants get a running back.
Speaker 6: Bringing up running back Brandon Singletary is not taking you
Speaker 6: to the rams in a good spot, I think, but
Speaker 6: certainly need a lot more.
Speaker 4: How you know, don't make it so hard on your
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. You definitely need to try to replace not
Speaker 4: just Aaron Donald, but get more edge helped too. What
Speaker 4: a show, what a what a lot of fun with
Speaker 4: you guys, always good. Thanks to everyone listening. We will
Speaker 4: be back next week with three shows. Uh Dan, We'll
Speaker 4: be back and uh until then, thank you to Eric.
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