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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast wants you to know your

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Speaker 1: college girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Never got over you.

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Speaker 3: That's that's good, damn right.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Greg rose thal in this week for Dan Hansens in

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Speaker 4: the host chair in the Chris Westling podcast studio, surrounded

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Speaker 4: by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Patrick Claybon.

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Speaker 3: Let's get after it.

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Speaker 5: Let's get after it. Why not, we're here, the lights

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Speaker 5: are on. Yes, let's let's acquire.

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Speaker 6: It's another beautiful sample centered around perhaps.

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Speaker 2: You Pat Oh, I forgot?

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Speaker 4: I do want to hear the new Patrick Clayban theme

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Speaker 4: song songs really throughout.

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Speaker 3: This episode when it just feels right.

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Speaker 4: Eric, but this one especially puts me in a nice

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Speaker 4: mood and a cloudy, uh, kind of stormy day here

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Speaker 4: at NFL Network.

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Speaker 5: You're whimsically waiting through uh, a quaint neighborhood.

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Speaker 6: Do you feel they've captured you had some issues with

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Speaker 6: them not actually capturing maybe your full personhood in some

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Speaker 6: of these.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, how could you hit a thirty second song?

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Speaker 4: The van contains multitudes, but.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is yeah, we I talked over the best part,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, it's you.

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Speaker 6: Were going to play these for your for your wife

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Speaker 6: at some point in the household, and.

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Speaker 2: We have not I should have gotten to that point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, use it when you need it.

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Speaker 4: We're reminding you, well, yeah it maybe it's not going

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Speaker 4: to work in the way Mark and visioned.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I just I think it's a it's a

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Speaker 6: you don't just you you find that right.

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Speaker 3: Which is just a hammer drop.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I would suggest maybe just play for

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Speaker 4: the whole family and say, isn't this cute?

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Speaker 3: There's something fun at work today? Yeah, with daddy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's I don't think it's using it to its

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Speaker 6: maximum potential.

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Speaker 3: But that's fine. We'll see.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's your progative, it's your Hey, there's great news

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Speaker 5: from work. And then it's like, oh what is loads

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Speaker 5: of it?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing? Mark?

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Speaker 6: I'm good, thank you. I arrived here very very early

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Speaker 6: this morning.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how are you doing this week without Dan?

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Speaker 4: You know, famously you started this podcast on the back

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Speaker 4: end of the damaging program without me and without you know,

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Speaker 4: and without West.

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Speaker 3: So you and Dan go back further. It's like a

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Speaker 3: missing appendage for you.

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Speaker 6: When he is out of this it is it feels

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Speaker 6: I feel it's two weeks in a row where we

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Speaker 3: I don't I find it.

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Speaker 6: Typically i'd be one that's not here for one of

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Speaker 6: those two weeks, so to be the person here it's

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Speaker 6: been odd. But you know I also went when people

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Speaker 6: on vacation, we have a code not to f with

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Speaker 6: each other on text, and like I texted Dan once

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Speaker 6: you're forgetting he's not even in the continental United States

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Speaker 3: It's where he is. It's like six hours earlier, I believe.

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Speaker 3: So you don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to be thinking about work when when

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Speaker 4: you're gone, but you know it's unavoidable.

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Speaker 3: It happens when you're built for it. Look, we're built

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 4: It's April fourth, we're only three weeks away here from

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Speaker 4: the draft sneaking up on us, and we talked top

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Speaker 4: ten mock with Josh Norris earlier in the week. This week,

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Speaker 4: we're going to go through as many teams as we

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Speaker 4: can get through with burning desires Penny into this NFL draft.

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Speaker 4: You know, a basic show might call them, you know,

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Speaker 4: than just like a need. Yeah, sometimes your body needs something,

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Speaker 4: and needs are not all created equal, and these are

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Speaker 4: with what's even happened this week, I can think a

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Speaker 3: We will do that.

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Speaker 4: But before we do that, we got a big time

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Speaker 3: So let's get to some news here.

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Speaker 1: Allen, out of the gun, takes the high stop, throws

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Speaker 4: That was the Divisional round game winning touchdown by Stefan

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Speaker 4: Diggs during the twenty twenty season, his first in Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: His last proved to be the twenty twenty three season.

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Speaker 4: He is headed to the Houston Texans. And I did

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Speaker 4: want to play that clip just as a reminder because

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Speaker 4: I think it's getting lost in these last few days.

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Speaker 4: What a ridiculous success the Stefan Diggs trade to Buffalo

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Speaker 4: was not that I should have to point this out.

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Speaker 4: That was a season where he led the NFL by

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Speaker 4: they were, you know, by some measures in terms of

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Speaker 4: four seasons, not named the Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: but he is headed to Houston. It's a fascinating trade.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of angles we can get to.

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Speaker 4: Let's start from the Buffalo side. Mark, when you saw

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Speaker 4: that this happened on Wednesday, did it feel to you

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Speaker 4: Where do you want to go with it?

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Speaker 6: I read it described as sort of stunning and shocking,

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Speaker 6: And so from that angle, I am not stunned by

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Speaker 6: like the player fell off a cliff a little bit

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Speaker 6: same way. I don't really buy this. He's not the

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Speaker 6: great one year at least with the Texans. But the Bills,

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Speaker 6: I think have gone into a soft reboot mode a

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Speaker 6: Just was too many reports instances ideas that behind the

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Speaker 5: And the schism, essentially right, wasn't something that developed in

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Speaker 5: I don't think Stephan Diggs is a demonstrably different person

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Speaker 5: I think the groundwork had been laid a long time

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Speaker 5: you know, the Bills, and there's frustration all the Stefan

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Speaker 5: I think Stefan Diggs is one of the better receivers

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Speaker 5: I think Nick Cassario does right. But the Bills, as

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Speaker 2: There's different ways to do it.

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Speaker 5: The Bills went down a particular route, and now that

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Speaker 5: they are within the consequences of the particular route that

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Speaker 5: they went down, and I don't think that they're a

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Speaker 5: better football team. I think it's a preposterous idea to

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Speaker 5: say that the vibes or it's like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 5: he was a problem and the relationship, I mean, get

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Speaker 5: who cares. He was a part of a change, a

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Speaker 4: There, right, I think that's all true, and yet I

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Speaker 4: do think in sports sometimes the relationship runs its course

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and these are humans. And being said

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Speaker 4: as much, Patrick, he admitted, like, look, the Bills, especially

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Speaker 4: for the twenty twenty four season, are in a worse

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Speaker 7: I ain't giving in.

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Speaker 4: I've I want to push back a little bit on

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Speaker 4: this idea that though, yes, the Bills are resetting and

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Speaker 4: making some hard decisions and they're going to be a

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Speaker 4: But I see where being is I mean from in

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Speaker 4: had since they've been there, some young, exciting, dynamic talent

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Speaker 3: You do still have the rest of the offseason.

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Speaker 4: The Bills have shown and they don't have much cap room,

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Speaker 4: but they have shown that they're good at picking up

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Speaker 3: So to me, I look at them.

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Speaker 4: They've defended their title in the AFC East three years

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Speaker 4: when you go into a season and there was a

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Speaker 4: them and it's like, no, a lot of what's good

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Speaker 3: And the odds are they're not going to make.

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Speaker 4: The super Bowl this year, because the odds are every

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just that, you know, I think this

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Speaker 6: And it's like, thank you Buffalo for making this AFC,

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Speaker 4: Almost like a face saving move that, Okay, we did

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Speaker 5: Gives the Texans so much just in terms of opportunity

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Speaker 5: maybe even in the playoffs. But it's there's so much

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Speaker 4: There is something to me about wide receivers landing a

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Speaker 4: In terms of Digs, like he'll have a Hall of

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Speaker 4: Basically he's a T Higgins maybe, and and so Digs

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Speaker 4: And this puts it on another level. I think they

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Speaker 3: I'm just okay, happen to me.

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Speaker 6: So well, there are like there are anecdotes of him

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's anything crazy, but he did have

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Speaker 4: these little things, and I think it's natural because of

442
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 4: course Josh benefits and it's essential.

443
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 3: To have like great receivers. But it's all.

444
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 4: I just think it's been a little bit of a

445
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: credit issue between Diggs and Allen and that it might

446
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 4: have been a little bit of an impersonal thing.

447
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: And it is what I heard.

448
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 4: Between them when they were yelling and stuff that I

449
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 4: do think there was a little bit of like who

450
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 4: is more important to this team?

451
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 3: Who made who?

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 4: And if you're the two most important players on your team,

453
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 4: have a little bit of an issue in terms of

454
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 4: sharing credit. And we've seen this from the best players

455
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 4: of all time. It's happened the best organizations of all time.

456
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 4: It broke up Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones for twenty

457
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 4: years broke up. Stean Davison K that's an issue, then

458
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 4: then maybe okay, that's the time in there having an

459
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 4: interpersonal thing and it's it's totally natural, but it.

460
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 6: Maybe it's a time to break it. It really happened in Minnesota.

461
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 5: It's we wish we could have managed things a little

462
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 5: less differently yas the time and what are we doing

463
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 5: right now with the opportunity that.

464
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: We have to try to be successful?

465
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, And if you're telling me that, if you can't

466
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 5: just get over it and make it work with a

467
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 5: very talented person, then I question, I question how much

468
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: you really want to win.

469
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 4: But if you've just went through a season where you

470
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 4: went into that season as an issue and then you

471
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 4: came out of this season and you feel like no

472
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 4: one solved it, whether it's Stefan Josh, the coaches, the

473
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 4: front office, then I just think in football like they can,

474
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 4: they can still be a strong organization. And maybe you're

475
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 4: right that they're taking they know they're taking a step back.

476
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 4: By the time didn't didn't feel crazy to me.

477
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 6: I just think you added the other the money side

478
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 6: of it, the fact that you get to pick out

479
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 6: of it on some level his age. Maybe you don't

480
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 6: believe that with the dude, the offensive corner they have

481
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 6: that he thrived last year and it just kind of

482
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 6: all fits together. I mean, but there's a track record

483
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 6: of stuff on Diggs being a slightly diva ish wide

484
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 6: receiver at multiple stops like that, Like that's that's a

485
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 6: hymn thing.

486
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 3: He's the through lines.

487
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 4: The money side of it is crazy, though. They're taking

488
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: a huge dead cap at over thirty million dollars to

489
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 4: trade one of their best players, which really hurts, and

490
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 4: they probably were gonna have to take a similar issue

491
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: hit if they did it next year, and they just

492
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 4: decided let's take it all this year. They're not gonna

493
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 4: spread it into next year, being talked openly of Actually

494
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: they have a little less cap room now. They'll be

495
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 4: able to freeze them up with one of their post

496
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 4: June first but they have very little money to spend.

497
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Speaker 3: They're gonna have to sign their draft picks.

498
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Speaker 4: It is crazy, and it's mismannered that you are taking

499
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 4: that big of a capit to get rid of one

500
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 4: of your best players on a contract you signed a

501
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. That's that's a mistake, and and

502
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: you it's partly, I would say, even largely because of

503
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 4: the mistakes you made elsewhere on the roster, primarily von Miller.

504
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 5: And it does help with perception, perhaps on the fan

505
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 5: base side and probably on the ownership side, if you

506
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 5: float a lot of conversation about how insufferable this person is,

507
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: but makes it.

508
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 4: But to be fair, I to be fair, I don't

509
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 4: think it's out of not infer because I don't think

510
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: it's insufferable. But I think Stefan Digg's heart essentially supported

511
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 4: the idea that, like there were some issues there between

512
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 4: him and Josh Allen. When your brother's out there saying that,

513
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, if the money is the same,

514
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: passive aggressive ways on that side too, to maybe get

515
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: out of there.

516
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, if the money is the same and you're in

517
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 5: building full of people that don't want you there, then

518
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 5: why would.

519
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: You be there?

520
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

521
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could talk about this one forever. It is

522
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: really a fascinator. Not that feels a little bit like

523
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: I just mean like it is one of the more

524
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 4: fascinating trades I can remember in a long time in

525
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: terms of great players still playing well. Going from one

526
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: contender to another. One is an example Houston of a rebuild.

527
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: And I don't really believe in rebuilds in the NFL,

528
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 4: but you gotta say Houston did it. They got lucky

529
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: because look, CJ. Stroud could have got taken number one,

530
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 4: and they would have taken Bryce Young and maybe very

531
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of this doesn't happen, or there

532
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: are various things you get lucky.

533
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Or maybe Bryce would be successful.

534
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 6: I mean, right, well, they got lucky that they were

535
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 6: able to trade their last quarterback for like four kingdoms.

536
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 4: But they they went through a couple a couple of

537
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 4: seasons where it was truly tear it down to the studs.

538
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: Nick Casario is still there, and just a couple of

539
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: years later they are now competing for a title and

540
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: the Bills are doing the thing that's even harder, which

541
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: is the most successful run they've ever had since since

542
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: the lost Super Bowls. To me, like the most consistent

543
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: team in the NFL over the last five years other

544
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: than the Chiefs and the Digs. Is what put them

545
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 4: over the top. That trade was an absolute sick success.

546
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: The thing that was crazy to me was yesterday hearing

547
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 4: some people pushing back on that it was like that

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: was an absolute win no matter how this ended, do

549
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: you agree? Bills fan Eric Roberts before we take a break,

550
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: looking back on his time with the Bills, I mean

551
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: it was fun. I'm not gonna lie, but he will

552
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: be remembered because I mean the end was messy.

553
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: It could you know, have gone.

554
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 8: A breakup's never easy, but things were definitely different between

555
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 8: him Josh's first few years in Buffalo. Hey, we played

556
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 8: Madden together. We're brothers, and that kind of, like Sideline

557
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 8: love kind of evaporated, and you know, obviously during games

558
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 8: you see him kind of john at each other, and

559
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 8: the Bill's fandom is like Josh is the savior, you know,

560
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 8: so that people are gonna side with Josh. I mean,

561
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 8: he don't get me wrong. I I have a dig

562
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 8: signed jersey in my closet. So like he was pivotal,

563
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 8: essential to the success they've had over the last four seasons.

564
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 8: But I think in many ways they found a way

565
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 8: to win without him. I mean, like Mark kind of

566
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 8: pointed out when they did this run to make the playoffs.

567
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 8: He started the season I think five out of six

568
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 8: games one hundred yards and then he kind of just

569
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 8: wasn't there, so I think they found a way. I

570
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 8: think they're going to go through Kincaid. I don't think

571
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 8: Curtis Samuel and Shakir and Hollins are.

572
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: They're not the answer. They're not the answer, But piece is.

573
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: I think where you need to find, you got James Cook.

574
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 8: Josh Allen is RB one in most cases, I just

575
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 8: think it's a change of times.

576
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is the Bills went let's count him

577
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: up from nineteen ninety nine until twenty nineteen, so that

578
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 4: is a clean twenty seasons without winning ten games. They

579
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: got that ten win season before Diggs arrived there, but

580
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: that team was a little lucky to get there. Then

581
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: the next four years thirteen wins, eleven wins, thirteen wins

582
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 4: eleven and if you look at the hold on, if

583
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 4: you look at the point differential, though even better than

584
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: the Chiefs the last couple of years. They have been

585
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: one of the best teams in the NFL for four

586
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: street season. Digs isn't by the only reason why, but

587
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 4: he is a big reason.

588
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 6: That's that's fine because relative to what the Bills fans

589
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: and what the Bills dealt with for in eras in

590
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 6: a row. I get it, but there's still three four

591
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 6: other teams that won the Super Bowl during the Stephan Diggs.

592
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know it's not met.

593
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 6: It's like it's nice to have a thirteen win season

594
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 6: and eleven win season, but it's like, I don't want

595
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 6: to hear that they're more successful than the Chiefs and

596
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 6: some some some subtilities like.

597
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 3: Not in the tangle. The Chiefs win super Bowls as

598
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: a team, right. I didn't say the Chiefs.

599
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm just saying other than the Chiefs, like they've been

600
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: as consistent in what I don't know, but a team

601
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: that is successful, because you're going to be looking back

602
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: on these as the.

603
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: Good old day.

604
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 8: I had a blast watching Digs in no way in

605
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 8: my life. Good riddance. I mean, you know, there are

606
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 8: some things to stick out because of the messy end

607
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 8: to it all. But like I loved having step on

608
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 8: the team. I don't see I don't definitely I've you

609
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 8: that we are not the Bills are not better.

610
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: I mean the crazy thing is they had a legit

611
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 4: chance to win the Super Bowl last year. I mean

612
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: they they played them even in that game and they

613
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: didn't come through, and who knows what would have happened,

614
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 4: but it didn't happen. We're gonna take a quick break

615
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna get to burning desires of teams

616
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 4: around the NFL.

617
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 6: He's from Alabama, you're just hair has a lamaabon.

618
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've just been to a barber where you've

619
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: found here, So I don't know, am I I'm still

620
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: in the lama ring.

621
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 6: I'd have to investigate alama closer, but maybe a lama

622
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 6: after they were shaved down that you know, it gets

623
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: hot in the summer.

624
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: I lived near a lama farm growing up, not a lie. Uh,

625
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: and you know they got to shave them.

626
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, were they Were they meet lamas or were they?

627
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: No?

628
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: They do lamas for what would you call it? Would

629
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: that be wols?

630
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: Actually don't even Yeah, I think that's why they had them.

631
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 6: Was a lama farm in Massachusetts. That's sort of not

632
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 6: the first place I would target for that.

633
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: You know, where I grew up.

634
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: There are all sorts of farms in western Massachusetts, fruit farms,

635
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: animal farms.

636
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not gonna name it.

637
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: You know, maybe he doesn't want his name out there,

638
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: but yeah, a guy, a kid who was in my

639
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: class his family owned the Lama farm. And yeah, once

640
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: it started getting hot, you see those Lamas there goes

641
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: the wall.

642
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: Is that it No, it's in Wilbraham, Massachusetts.

643
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: Is well, don't don't do them out.

644
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: It's fine.

645
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it'll be on another farm though it'll be

646
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: good for business. I have no idea if it's still open,

647
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: but it was right nearby. And no, I don't think

648
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: there's that much of a resemblance between Patrick and those Lamas.

649
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: But look, if Lamas looked like Patrick Claybond, people would

650
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 4: like Lamas more. I feel like lamas don't get a

651
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: lot of love out there. You know who's gonna get

652
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: a lot of love. Teams we haven't talked about in

653
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: a little while, so, uh, we're gonna go through as

654
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: many teams as we can, uh, and we're gonna talk

655
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: about the burning desires that these teams have heading into

656
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: the NFL Draft. And I guess I would put it

657
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: to you guys, we'll try to get through as many

658
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: as we can. I know team, you know, everyone likes

659
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 4: to hear their team talked about, So we're not gonna

660
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: go too long.

661
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Speaker 3: But I would say.

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Speaker 4: To my friends Patrick and Mark just I think start

663
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Speaker 4: as strong as you can, because we don't you never

664
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Speaker 4: know how many we're gonna get through the most burning

665
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Speaker 4: of desires where the loins are just on fire.

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Speaker 3: Start with those, and let's start with Mark Stesler.

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Speaker 6: I have been looking around at a number of different teams,

668
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Speaker 6: and the one that stands out for me in terms of,

669
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Speaker 6: like you've got a glaring hole. Now are we saying

670
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Speaker 6: this has to be like the first round? It's somewhere

671
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Speaker 6: because it's not the greatest position. If there's a number

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Speaker 6: of teams out there that that I think need uning backs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because I think it's just issues. It

674
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Speaker 4: doesn't matter where you fill them.

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Speaker 6: And it's and we do talk about this team, but

676
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 6: I look at the Dallas Cowboys as a team that

677
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 6: like they've made They've shipped around their offensive line a

678
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: little bit. It's not the strength that it was once

679
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 6: and it hasn't been for years. But like, you've got

680
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 6: issues at center potentially, but they're starting running back is

681
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: douce Von, who I think is an interesting We went

682
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 6: to training camp and kind of fell in love with them.

683
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Speaker 4: Maybe Rico Daubto, I would say, but if they had

684
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: to play a game today, right.

685
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 6: And there's whispers that they're going to bring back Ezekial Elliott,

686
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 6: which to me just flies in the face of everything

687
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 6: that they're attempting to try to tell anyone that they're doing.

688
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: They're doing very little. There are a couple decent running

689
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Speaker 6: backs in this draft. Maybe it's not first round, but

690
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Speaker 6: I need to see this team bring in some juice

691
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Speaker 6: and bring in some youth and not re sign Zeke

692
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Speaker 6: Elliott who is three or four years away out from

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Speaker 6: being the guy he once was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the bargain shopping, just if I know that

695
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: there's been a whole lot of all in criticism, like

696
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: anytime anybody else does something, it's oh or the cow

697
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: really all in. It can't be just bargain shopping the

698
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Speaker 5: whole way through and trying to get a draft steal,

699
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: like at some point they have to be proactive, enshuring

700
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: a significant part of what this offense has been in

701
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 5: the past four to five years. And I'm with you, Mark,

702
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: Zeke can't be the answer. And I don't even know

703
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: who the running back would be if they were to

704
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Speaker 5: try to reach in round two or something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's a horrible.

706
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: It's a short but we say that, and there's a

707
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Speaker 4: lot of good rookies that come out in the middle

708
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: rounds every year, and some of these seem excite.

709
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: It depends on who you listen to.

710
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Speaker 4: Trey Benson or Marshall Lloyd sound to me like guys

711
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Speaker 4: who would have a chance to come in and fill

712
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty five carries at a high level

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Speaker 4: if you can block for them.

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Speaker 3: But that that's.

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Speaker 4: Part of the issue. I'm glad you mentioned the Cowboys.

716
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Speaker 4: They were one of the eight or so teams I

717
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: had the biggest star round because pick a position. This

718
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: roster suddenly has also sorts of issues. Interior offensive line

719
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Speaker 4: major issue. I'm assuming Tyler Smith is gonna play left tackle,

720
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Speaker 4: but he was one of the best guards in the

721
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Speaker 4: league I thought last year, so it could be left

722
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Speaker 4: tackler guard. But like suddenly, you really need a center

723
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Speaker 4: and a guard. You need a running back. That was

724
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Speaker 4: next on my list. I think you need a wide receiver.

725
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Speaker 4: You're okay for twenty four with Lamb Cooks and Tolbert,

726
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Speaker 4: but you need to start developing another receiver there. They

727
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: kind of fell apart last season because they didn't have

728
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Speaker 4: anyone to play linebacker when vander esh got her, and like,

729
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: linebackers are no longer important until the point where they're

730
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Speaker 4: like ending the seasons for the Eagles and the Cowboys,

731
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Speaker 4: and I think there's gonna be a little bit of

732
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Speaker 4: a correction, and like they've kind of reached last year

733
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Speaker 4: for Mazzie Smith in the first round in Luke Schoonmaker,

734
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Speaker 4: and maybe those two guys work out after quiet rookie years,

735
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Speaker 4: but they need Mozzie Smith to start right now because

736
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Speaker 4: they don't have any defensive tackles. So that's like, that's

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Speaker 4: another position where they have about as many screaming needs

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Speaker 4: and as many stars and like wins over the last

739
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Speaker 4: few years as any team. But man, they have a

740
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Speaker 4: lot of big ones, a lot of burning design.

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Speaker 5: I was looking for just in terms of bad offenses,

742
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Speaker 5: trying to go through something for another show, and I

743
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Speaker 5: sorted by.

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Speaker 3: The wait what you do other shows?

745
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a couple gotta hitch your bets.

746
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Speaker 3: I mean, can you be specific here? Who is their enemy?

747
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Well? No, it's this was for.

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Speaker 5: Path, a path to the draft and NFL going through

749
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Speaker 5: team needs, so you know, the rising Todde lifts all boats.

750
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Speaker 5: But I was I was.

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Speaker 3: Looking Standel Teremiah on it so kind of an enemy, but.

752
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Speaker 5: Okay, I was looking for the teams with the lowest

753
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Speaker 5: average separation. You know, the Cowboys are in the bottom

754
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: three of the league. MM, like what that was? That

755
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: was surprising to me. I know Dak throws a lot

756
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 5: of you know, tight window passes, and it's just everything

757
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: shouldn't always be so hard.

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Speaker 4: Well that isn't that like a Mike McCarthy offense. Yeah,

759
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: trademark where it's like go win guys, and scheme isn't

760
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 4: getting you open.

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Speaker 3: Like that's why they got sick of them in Green Bay.

762
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Speaker 5: And so like I understand, you know, it's twenty twenty

763
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Speaker 5: four and we're not gonna build the whole offense around

764
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Speaker 5: a running back. But as good as Deck is, maybe

765
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Speaker 5: take something off of his plate. Yeah, just every once

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Speaker 5: in a while.

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Speaker 3: That was.

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Speaker 6: That was the complaining an off season ago. And it's

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Speaker 6: gotten worse.

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Speaker 4: All right, Patrick, hit me with another one. All right,

771
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Speaker 4: another team.

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Speaker 5: Let's go to another place that has a burning desire.

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Speaker 5: A burning desire to me is when it's really a need,

774
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Speaker 5: like it's it's obvious to you and everybody else did.

775
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: When you walk in the room. That's what you want.

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Speaker 5: And we're gonna have Nathaniel Hackett's offense coming back and

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Speaker 5: having Aaron Rodgers, which I would make the argument that it's.

778
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers offense.

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Speaker 5: And the Jets have been very proactive, but they have

780
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Speaker 5: a burning desire not just for a position for Brock

781
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Speaker 5: Bauers or Romo Dounze Woo. They need Aaron Rodgers to

782
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: look out there and make eye contact with somebody and

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Speaker 5: do something based on their matchup that's completely independent of

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Speaker 5: Nathaniel Hackett.

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Speaker 3: Weill said.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's gotta be one of those two players.

787
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Speaker 2: Considering where they're picking in the draft.

788
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Speaker 5: If everybody's running to get quarterbacks, if somebody jumps up

789
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 5: and has a higher opinion of Quinon Mitchell or Tryon,

790
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 5: if they've got to get one of those two.

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Speaker 3: I kind of love this.

792
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Speaker 6: I especially think Bauers fits for a couple of teams,

793
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Speaker 6: and like I almost thought the Jets for a candidate.

794
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: To maybe even trade up if they really.

795
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Speaker 6: Want to go all in and get like Marvin harrit

796
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Speaker 6: It's like you go get the best wide receiver in

797
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Speaker 6: the draft. If you want to trade up with the Chargers,

798
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: but the charger zone burning need makes that a little difficult.

799
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Speaker 6: But if you replace Alan Lazard with a dunn't see,

800
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Speaker 6: then you've got Mike Williams, who, like Mike Williams, is

801
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 6: probably gonna miss five or six skeedus.

802
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: He doesn't need to be open to make a catch.

803
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: To Patrick's point, I just.

804
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Speaker 3: Think like you.

805
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Speaker 6: You just you'd have the best wide out group in

806
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Speaker 6: the league if the rookie plays up to what we

807
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: think it can be.

808
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be sexy. And those are three guys

809
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: like Garrett Wilson gets open on his own, a Dunez,

810
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: and Mike Williams, to me, is one of the best

811
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Speaker 4: contested catch receivers in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna I didn't get this this Alaurien Yu during

813
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 6: my opener, So next time, I hope, I do.

814
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Speaker 2: I hope to.

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Speaker 3: The New Orleans Saints.

816
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Speaker 4: They make a lot of mistakes in their front office,

817
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: and they survived, and they're in the middle and sometimes

818
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: they just like a player too much and they give

819
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: up multiple first round picks to move up and sign

820
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Speaker 4: a project by the name of Trevor Penning that was

821
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Speaker 4: in the first round a couple of years ago.

822
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Speaker 3: Sometimes they get hooked on a guy and it works.

823
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Speaker 3: It's Chrys a lobby.

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Speaker 4: And then sometimes it's Trevor Penning who seemed to be

825
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 4: in the doghouse and they wouldn't play them even Tho

826
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Speaker 4: when they were playing the fourth string left tackle. Now

827
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: they're entering a season right now without really any left tackle.

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Speaker 4: I guess it'd be maybe Landing Young, maybe it'd be

829
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Speaker 4: Trevor Penning. And I look at this team and I'm

830
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Speaker 4: I just look at like they don't have a third receiver.

831
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Speaker 4: It's a lobby and Shaheed, but you can survive without that.

832
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Speaker 4: And I look at this position, and it's always concerning

833
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: for a front office when you have a burning desire

834
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Speaker 4: for a position you just tried to fill a couple

835
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Speaker 4: of years ago.

836
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Speaker 3: But this guy seemed to get into.

837
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Speaker 4: Some sort of interpersonal issue with the coach, which is

838
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: also a feature of this organization. Not a bug, or

839
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: it is a bug, I don't know.

840
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: It is a feature. It is a feature and a bug.

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Speaker 5: And that's the that's the most painful thing about it

842
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 5: is that I had this as a burning desire myself,

843
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 5: right you did.

844
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Speaker 2: Because it was a burning desire.

845
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 5: I was in there in New Orleans during the draft,

846
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: and it was so obvious that they needed a tackle,

847
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: like that was what they were going to do. And

848
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: so they get Trevor Penning and and there's the foot issue,

849
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 5: and then there's Liz Frank and it seems like this is,

850
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: as Michael Thomas pointed out on Twitter, like this is

851
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: a recurring theme where somebody has something and then it's well,

852
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: let's see how it goes, and then the player has

853
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: to get surgery on their own time, not during the season,

854
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 5: and then they're late getting into the next season. And

855
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: you wonder, you know, if Ryan Ramchick could have had

856
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: that surgery that he had in February, if that's a

857
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: December surgery, are things a little bit different now? And

858
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 5: so it's it's back. It's back as a burning desire,

859
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 5: and do we start this whole process over again or

860
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: do they they maybe try to move up, use whatever

861
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 5: they can to get them more.

862
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 4: Now, this is a deep class, so if nothing else,

863
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: I think they could sit there and take one. But

864
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: it it's disappointed. I'm glad you mentioned Ramcheck. Dennis Allen

865
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: told reporters and I don't think we mentioned it on

866
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Speaker 4: the show that his procedure is not recovering as quickly

867
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Speaker 4: as hoped.

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Speaker 3: And he's had a lot of injuries.

869
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Speaker 4: He was a really fantastic pick, a fantastic player whose

870
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: injuries have caused him to miss significant time and he

871
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: hasn't been as effective.

872
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: And there's been little whispers even about like.

873
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Speaker 4: Not retirement because they renegotiated his contract, but just like

874
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 4: his knees in a lot of trouble. So that's two

875
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: major issues for the Saints. I do want to hear

876
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: the music behind you at this time.

877
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: I do too.

878
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 6: I can think of someone out there that went through

879
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Speaker 6: a breakup. This individual engineered it and so he's probably

880
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 6: not the one feeling the heartbreak. But Sean Payton and

881
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 6: the Russell Wilson relationship, which you know, a calendar.

882
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: Year ago, there was hope that he could make the

883
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: most out of it.

884
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: Well that's over, that's out the door. And I can't

885
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 6: think of another coach in the league. While everyone's heming

886
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 6: and hauling and keeping secrets about what they want to do,

887
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 6: Sean Payton has like openly talked about like the Arizona Cardinals.

888
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 6: Another team sitting up there, the Chargers in absolutely enviable

889
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 6: positions for someone like him who has his eye a

890
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: wandering eye on a new quarterback, because I don't think

891
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: Sean Payton wants to after last season, mine in the

892
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 6: year two and do nothing in this position. Now he's

893
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 6: in a tough spot because likely four of them will

894
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: be gone if they can't.

895
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, if they can't engineer.

896
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 6: A trade up that that was our last episode's concept

897
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: and we didn't have them doing that, then you're looking

898
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 6: at probably someone like bon Nick's out of Oregon to

899
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 6: be Sean Payton's quarterback. And the more I've gotten into

900
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 6: this player, I'm not saying it's the fifth quarterback, and

901
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: that's risky and you don't have to you don't want

902
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 6: to sell the farm on it.

903
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: But he's accurate, he's.

904
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 6: Athletic, he's got pocket poise, he's got a little bit

905
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 6: of a running game to him. It sounds like someone

906
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 6: that Sean Payton could work with. He's a heady quarterback.

907
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 6: It's not ideal, but if you're Denver less, ideal is

908
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 6: coming out of this with no quarterback at all and

909
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 6: trying to make it through a depressing, one more depressing

910
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 6: year in Denver. Well, probably Russell Wilson's like as the

911
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 6: way football works, Russell Wilson's in Pittsburgh, like winning games,

912
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 6: or like a Steelers team that's five and one.

913
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 4: Bo Nicks does make a little sense to me for them,

914
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: just maybe not at twelve, like it's a little rich.

915
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: Hit him in the second round, get him in the

916
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: third round. Maybe, like a lot of times.

917
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: These quarterback, especially the fifth sixth ones that we talk

918
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: about maybe going you could trade down back to like high,

919
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: don't go as high as you hope, because then then

920
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: you're really reaching for talent. Those comments from Peyton at

921
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 4: the owners meetings really made me take a step back

922
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: because you know, I've watched John Payton from AFAR for

923
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 4: a long time and the way he uses the media

924
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 4: is one of a kind. And I guess the way

925
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: I would say he uses the media very often is

926
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: he does not tell the complete truth to them, you know,

927
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: so like, why are you throwing it out there that

928
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: you want to trade up? It's like, okay, well then

929
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: I just and it's this time of year, I'm not

930
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 4: breaking any news that almost any coach in GM talking

931
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: about their draft plans, you can look askance at why

932
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 4: is he throwing that out so hard at an odor

933
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 4: as being because when I hear that, I sort of

934
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: assume he means the opposite, which is that he's not

935
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: going to be doing that.

936
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, but maybe he's like Jedi.

937
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: Mind tricking me to the point really is it's going

938
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: to require a Jedi mind trick to go into the

939
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: season with Jared Stidham and Tanucci. Right, he did say,

940
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: you know, Jared Stidham is going to have some serious competition.

941
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: He did not want to entertain any questions that like that.

942
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: Maybe he meant maybe he meant from Bin Denucci right,

943
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 5: that sounds serious the wrong way us coming. I do

944
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: think it be aware of Galaxy branding things that shot.

945
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: I think like Sean Payton may be telling the truth

946
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 5: okay a lot of times, which is something he's got

947
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 5: in trouble for saying too much of the truth. But yeah,

948
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 5: I think the player they want to trade for is

949
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: Caleb and that opportunity seems to have passed, and so like,

950
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: what's what's he willing to give the farm for?

951
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 6: They do have more draft capital than people would realize.

952
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: Like I keep thinking like Husse of the Russell wasn't

953
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 6: in there, like they have no they have a bunch

954
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 6: of draft picks.

955
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Like, they also have a lot of needs.

956
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 4: Like, what is a position group that the Broncos feel

957
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: great about? I like, I don't see one. The offensive line, eh,

958
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: like Patrick swattans'r best player. And they still need cornerbacks

959
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: right Their second cornerback was picked on mercilessly. Although they

960
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: did find someone in jo Quon McMillan. It was a

961
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: nice story for a nickelback. You know, Simmons is no

962
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: longer like I guess they feel okay at safety Cadence

963
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 4: Terns and Brandon Jones.

964
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: I don't I don't even know.

965
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 4: There's not a position group you look at and you're like, well,

966
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: that's the identity of the team. That's a huge strength.

967
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: I they are very very uh milk tested me. You

968
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 4: know who else is not milk toast is that.

969
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: There is a Cardinal.

970
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: They don't even have any milk in their toast.

971
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: I heard I heard one one podcast.

972
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: It was Bill Simmons with Mena Kimes saying that a

973
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: lot of people going big on the over six and

974
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: a half for the Cardinals right off the bat, and

975
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 4: there's this idea I like the Cardinals coaching staff that

976
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: the Cardinals are this team on the rise, and then

977
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: I go to our lads dot Com NFL depth charts

978
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: and I look, the entire roster is a burning desire.

979
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: I have a burning desire for their entire defense to

980
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 4: be improved. There's very little talent on it. Wide receiver

981
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 4: would be another position. They've got an offensive line, they've

982
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: got a quarterback, They've got James Connor. They really don't

983
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: have much else. Their entire defense, I would say, is

984
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 4: as talent poor. I would put it thirty second in

985
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: the league out of thirty two. So to me, that

986
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: is a burning, burning desire, and they inherited a tough situation.

987
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: I really believe in the coaching staff. I think this

988
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: is gonna be a good coaching staff based on what

989
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: I saw a year ago, and that can improve your team.

990
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: But man, they need a talent infusion.

991
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: I think they're going about it the right way, trading back,

992
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: getting more picks last year, and you hope those picks hit.

993
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 4: I think they had a good draft last year. They

994
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: might be trading back again. But when I see a

995
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: burning desire that I see the fire of Jonathan Gannon

996
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: saying I need some players to go along with this

997
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 4: scheme that is working pretty well.

998
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: Because I do not see a lot of strengths on

999
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: this team. I see a whole lot of weeks shooooo shoo.

1000
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 6: I think if you're a Cardinals fan, if you're watching

1001
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: what's happened over the last like thirteen months, you have

1002
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 6: to be extremely encouraged.

1003
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: I'm with you on the coaching staff.

1004
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 4: I will say this, I get it, and I get it,

1005
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: like we have encouraged from the bottom of the barrel

1006
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 4: to next. But to me, it's like, I think you

1007
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: look at this and it's like, man, they have a

1008
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 4: lot of work.

1009
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: If they hit on the draft picks.

1010
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 6: Though, because I think the master plan is like they

1011
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 6: it feels to me it's like eighty percent that they

1012
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 6: trade out of the fourth spot, and then you've got

1013
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: let's say it's the Vikings the most likely trade partner.

1014
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 6: You've got the eleventh and the twenty third, and I

1015
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 6: think you address maybe edge, maybe it's Dallas Turner for instance,

1016
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: at eleven, if you ever got down there past the

1017
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 6: Foel Welkins, and then you get your wide receiver at

1018
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 6: twenty three, and you've had two major needs addressed, and

1019
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 6: you have accrued probably additional picks and everything else.

1020
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: It's a corner or it's like an interior off depends why.

1021
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: I mean, the good part of needing something everywhere. And yeah,

1022
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: and they might be pushing back to Cardinals fancying, hey

1023
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 4: we hit on Garrett Williams last year. Yeah he was

1024
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: a good rookie, but you still need more than one.

1025
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 4: And Buddha Baker like, you could almost improve any position

1026
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 4: on the roster other than I think you feel pretty

1027
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 4: good about tackle and quarterback.

1028
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 5: But when those are your needs, it does put you

1029
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 5: in a position where if you're in a trade down spot,

1030
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 5: you can fill a couple of those spot. You can

1031
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 5: get down into the early teens, take a shot at

1032
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 5: Jared Verse, you get your edge, you know, depending on

1033
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 5: how you want to fill things out. But if it's

1034
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 5: not because I think the easy idea is stay and

1035
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 5: take Marvin Harrison junior, right, that's the.

1036
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: Also not the worst idea, Yeah, not a bad one.

1037
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: If that's if that's the problem, then then you're in

1038
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 5: a good spot. I mean, of course you'd like to

1039
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 5: have better talent on your own, absolutely, but it's there's

1040
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 5: not a situation like this is in a Saints type situation.

1041
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 5: We have to stay and watch everybody pick and then gee,

1042
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: I hope we get a tackle because like this.

1043
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: Is this is clearly what we need. That they could

1044
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: do whatever they want, all right.

1045
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: What I want to do or what I'm asked to do.

1046
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Take a quick break. We'll be back after that. I

1047
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: don't trust Greg during these breaks. Who knows what he's

1048
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: gonna get.

1049
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Up to, especial when desires burning.

1050
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're back.

1051
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: We got burning desires, and I got a burning desire

1052
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: to hit as many teams as possible. So we're gonna

1053
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: try to go even faster with this last little segment.

1054
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: And uh, I'm gonna start with a burning desire of

1055
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: The Miami Dolphins feel like they haven't gotten a lot

1056
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: of attention this year.

1057
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: It's offseason. I like what they've done. I like their roster.

1058
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: They got a sneaky desire.

1059
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 4: They've spent a lot of money on Jalen Phillips and

1060
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: Bradley Chubb, but they've also lost a couple of big

1061
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: time rotational edge guys this year. One of their artist,

1062
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: Phillips is coming off of torn achilles. One of them's

1063
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 4: coming off of a torn acl and I look at

1064
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: their front, their edge, and then especially defensive tackle right

1065
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: next to those edges, and I see a big holes

1066
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: on that Miami front. So I think that is a

1067
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: position group, whether it's interior or the edge, planning a

1068
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 4: little bit for the future that they need because Jalen

1069
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: Phillips and Browley Chubb might not be ready for week one,

1070
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: and it's unfair to expect them to be kind of

1071
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 4: full Jalen Phillips Browleychubb in week.

1072
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, people have linked like Byron Murphy, that would be good.

1073
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 6: Exist that makes sense. I flip in and say that

1074
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 6: they ow an issue at left guard like they cannot.

1075
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 6: I just don't like the idea of not having the

1076
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 6: best possible offensive line with Tua the way he is.

1077
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: But you can do baby, can coach, Yeah, can coach.

1078
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: I mean you can do both. You can do in

1079
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 4: the second and third round. And yeah, I think they've

1080
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: done a good job coaching up.

1081
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: Aren't a lot of great guards in this one.

1082
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: But the offensive line, Yeah, the interior offensive line jumps

1083
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 5: out there to me because they've done so much right

1084
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 5: in terms of still they the skill positions on the

1085
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 5: team that you're not even necessarily worried about it, and

1086
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 5: you think, you know, considering the way that they can play,

1087
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 5: and when you.

1088
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: Might want to plan a little bit for the future.

1089
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: I did think about writing down third receiver, but for

1090
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: now they're You're right right to say that that's not

1091
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: a burning desire.

1092
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: That's just like a little that'd be nice.

1093
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 5: But I feel the intense heat emanating off of the

1094
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 5: interior offensive line right as right, as well as you

1095
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: know some spots on the defense, all right, Mark.

1096
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: I am the most fascinated outside of Houston with the

1097
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 6: Los Angeles Chargers under Jim Harbot because I think that

1098
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 6: you know, up up at number five, if they don't move,

1099
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 6: they're gonna get They probably get Marvin Harrison Junior. That's

1100
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 6: nice and that addresses a lot of issues, but there's

1101
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 6: still going to be like this run heavy, old school

1102
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 6: team from like nineteen thirty six. I think it at

1103
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 6: certain times if they're up and they want to do that,

1104
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 6: and it's like Gus Edwards I like a lot actually,

1105
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 6: and I think he fits well and like he's obviously

1106
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 6: got the hardbass stamp of approval from his Baltimore time

1107
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 6: as well. But I'm looking at what they do at

1108
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: the running back position too, and I know we'd mentioned

1109
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: that for the Cowboys. So there are a couple teams

1110
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 6: competing for running backs later on. And then I'm like realizing,

1111
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 6: you can go Jonathan Brooks from Texas. I watched some

1112
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 6: of him. Interesting player, But then there's Lake Krum from Michigan.

1113
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 6: Literally John or Jim Harbaugh's old running back, not rated

1114
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 6: as highly by most and not maybe you know Derrek

1115
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 6: Henry part two, but just like, what will Harbaugh do

1116
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 6: to I think he's gonna want like four or five

1117
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 6: running backs to compete and like lead the league and

1118
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 6: rushing attempts. And so I just want to see, because

1119
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 6: there's so many Michigan players in the draft, how many

1120
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh Michigan players link up through this whole process.

1121
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 2: I think I think we may get a couple.

1122
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 5: But I also don't think considering because we've seen how

1123
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 5: much of the Ravens staff is in Los Angeles now,

1124
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 5: like how much that shared that it's not just the

1125
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 5: self scouting that's gone on in Michigan. But Harball's not

1126
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 5: coming into this being completely unaware of and if this

1127
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: isn't like a an urban Meyer type situation where gosh,

1128
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 5: just free stylin and doesn't necessarily know what the players

1129
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 5: are and who the competition is. I do think that

1130
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 5: while if the players in the right spot, we will

1131
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: see Michigan guys over there.

1132
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: But I do think the general view.

1133
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 5: Of how Harball is going to run this thing, especially

1134
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 5: starting with the draft, might not necessarily be the ultimate turnout.

1135
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: I do think the world is kind of open.

1136
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 4: I do too, and I think a wide receiver is

1137
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: very possible at that pick. Everyone thinks they're just going

1138
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: to talk off the offensive line because he's so into

1139
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 4: the offensive.

1140
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Line at five. We'll see at five, right with you.

1141
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: They're exciting. They have a lot of needs losses.

1142
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, we've talked a lot about the

1143
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 5: Houston Texans. But sometimes you look and see how happy

1144
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 5: the neighbor is and you start to wonder about your

1145
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 5: own relationships. And I think the Jacksonville Jaguars have a

1146
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 5: burning desire, not just for talent in general. But let's

1147
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: discuss the cornerback situation and then the secondary situation in

1148
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 5: jackson A great football mind, and Greg Rosenthal pointed out

1149
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 5: to me, despite my excitement about the twenty twenty three

1150
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 5: Jacksonville Jaguars before the season. There are some real problems

1151
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 5: in the secondary, and those problems did hold up, and

1152
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 5: there are some cornerback needy teams in front of the Jacks.

1153
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the Indianapolis Colts. But let's say there's

1154
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 5: a Quinnyon Mitchell or a kool Aid McKinstry or a

1155
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: Terry On Arnold. I think one of those guys could

1156
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 5: fulfill a burning desire for the Jacksonville jack Yeah.

1157
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 4: I think it was probably a debate what's their biggest need,

1158
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 4: like an interior defensive lineman or a cornerback, and then

1159
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: they get our Armstead and then that kind of answers

1160
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: that question. They need a wide receiver too, I really

1161
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: believe it, and I think they'll be open to it

1162
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 4: at that point in the draft. There is a chance

1163
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 4: that it's Brian Thomas, but maybe they look at someone

1164
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: that it's a second round pick at wide receiver. But

1165
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: they seemed very much like a cornerback wide receiver type

1166
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: of team. When when you sign Ronald Darby, who who

1167
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: I've always kind of liked it.

1168
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: He's like, he's a.

1169
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: Little better than you think, but he's that guy that

1170
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: kind of gets signed to late in the mix to

1171
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: fill in for your starters and then plays more than

1172
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: you think and you're like, oh, I was a good

1173
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: signing this time. He was like an early signing because

1174
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: they were just like, we need someone to start worth

1175
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 4: signing him. If that's your number two cornerback, you need

1176
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 4: you need more, you need more in the future.

1177
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: They were.

1178
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 5: They were lost in the woods without Christian Kirk the

1179
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 5: end of the season.

1180
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 2: It was a direcese.

1181
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: They did not expect them, fell out the side of

1182
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 4: the earth. They did not expectation Calvin Ridley. They really thought,

1183
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 4: I think it was going to be Ridley gave Davison

1184
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: z uh and Christian Kerk still reasonably deep. I like

1185
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: the Devin Duverney signing. Let's stay in the division. The

1186
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 4: Colts just keep keeping their guys, That's what they do.

1187
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: They signed Julian Blackman's safety this week. Thought that was

1188
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 4: a nice move. But they need more. They need more

1189
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: pizzazz around Anthony Richardson. Keeping Michael Pittman is not enough.

1190
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 4: You need another receiver. This is another team I look

1191
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: at as receivers and cornerbacks, receiver and cornerback like they

1192
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 4: need them both. They're not they don't have enough juice

1193
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: with Gus Bradley and their defense. And they tried with

1194
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: a couple of picks last year at cornerback and they're

1195
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: young there, but they could add another, but they keep

1196
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: taking receivers and Alec Pierce right now looks like kind

1197
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 4: of a foul ball that's not really working out. Josh Downs,

1198
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: I think is gonna be a solid single, especially for

1199
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: a third round pick.

1200
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: Maybe even better than that, maybe a double.

1201
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: But I think they need more juice at wide receiver

1202
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 4: and cornerback.

1203
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: Those are two positions.

1204
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, cornerback release stands up. But it's like, we don't

1205
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 6: know a lot about Anthony Richardson. I like what we saw,

1206
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 6: but it's like, of course, just like keep giving him

1207
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 6: targets tight ends wide receivers because their overall wide receiver

1208
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 6: group is just kind of like blah bowl of an

1209
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 6: all ice creams.

1210
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: Let's get some guys who can make some plays on

1211
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: their own.

1212
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: How about you.

1213
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: More, Let's go out to Seattle. Ooh ooh, yeah that

1214
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: was wait.

1215
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 6: New coaching staff. They've got defensive tackle needs. You could

1216
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 6: look at a couple of different parts of the defense,

1217
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 6: but I am focused on the interior offensive line to

1218
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 6: keep Gino Smith safe, to open up the ground game.

1219
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 6: They've got four guys right now competing for the center

1220
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: and two guard spots who have a combined sixteen starts

1221
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 6: in professional football, and some of that's developmental. And you

1222
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 6: always hear them say we like our young guys, but

1223
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 6: it's like in a pretty solid offensive line draft, like

1224
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 6: whether it's you're going to get a different tackle to

1225
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 6: move somewhere around, Like, let's just keep working on this

1226
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 6: offensive line.

1227
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: That was where I'd start with Seattle, and it was

1228
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: bad last year.

1229
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 4: And I think it's the reason why I pushed back

1230
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: against a lot of the Gino criticism from a year ago,

1231
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 4: because the offensive line really struggled and if you kind

1232
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: of divorced him from like plays he was protected, he

1233
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 4: he did really well. They also need an edge, Like

1234
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: to me, they just keep I don't know what they're

1235
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 4: doing on defense exactly. Mike McDonald comes in and they

1236
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 4: bring an Aiden Dirt to be their defensive curdinate dirty

1237
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 4: from Dallas, the defensive line coach from a totally different system.

1238
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 4: So I think that's good. He's like welcoming in different thoughts.

1239
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Mike McDonald's team, though, but they've been

1240
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 4: just kind of picking around the edges here in general.

1241
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: They fix their linebacker position, they sign Jerome Baker, Thrill

1242
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: Dots and kind of or at least change their linebacker position.

1243
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 4: But they just keep adding all these edges that are

1244
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: just like, okay, like boy Mafe, Darryl Taylor Nuosu was

1245
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: a good signing. They drafted Derek Hall in the second

1246
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: round last year that didn't exactly work. Like they still

1247
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 4: need like a guy that's a dude, like an un

1248
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: they keep They have a lot of good twos and threes,

1249
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: they need a one. And I think when I think

1250
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 4: about a Mike McDonald defense, I think you definitely want that.

1251
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially considering because the Ravens defense on the

1252
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 5: interior last year is just a breakout year on the

1253
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: part of Justin Madeak, Davian Clowney had his best season

1254
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 5: in a very very long time, And you just wonder,

1255
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 5: who's the Who's the guy that's gonna play seventy five

1256
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 5: percent of the snaps right out there on the edge,

1257
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 5: maybe get eight and a half none sacks and isn't

1258
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: really coming off the field. And I think they've tried.

1259
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 5: I think that's what the MAFE pick the Taylor pick, and.

1260
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: And it's the same GM.

1261
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: So it's a little that's where like where they are

1262
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 4: is a little confusing to me. Not confusing, but it's

1263
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 4: just a different sort of overhaul that John Schneider, the

1264
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 4: guy who in theory was making the pick, although we

1265
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 4: know it was him and Carroll.

1266
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: Now it's really just Schnyder.

1267
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: So now the problem is fixed. Pizza.

1268
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't know that. I just I think

1269
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: they've got a chance. I think they've got a chance

1270
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: to be pretty good. Actually, they have a lot of.

1271
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: Things that you would want. I'm going to talk about

1272
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: te might feel like it's kind of gotten.

1273
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 4: It's under the radar a little bit of the forty

1274
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: nine ers this offseason, just because they haven't done a lot.

1275
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: And when I look at their offensive line especially, but

1276
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: I would look at cornerback two of like, they always

1277
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: make the offensive line work, they always make the cornerback

1278
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: room work. And you can't pay everyone, and this is

1279
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: the salary cap era, and they're paying money to their

1280
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 4: receivers and Nick Bosa and they're gonna pay Brandon Nyuk hopefully.

1281
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: I think that will happen eventually, you gotta get cheap elsewhere. Man,

1282
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: wouldn't it be nice to have some like badass offensive line.

1283
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 4: You've got Trent Williams and just four guys you coach up,

1284
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 4: and then you got Tarvarius Ward and some guys you

1285
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: coach up. And so I think this is a draft

1286
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: issue that they're only gonna get these premium players if

1287
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: they can hit on draft picks, and that it's a

1288
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 4: tough needle thread. You can find your AYU deep in

1289
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: the first round and that'll change your team. And to me,

1290
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: they could really use that cornerback and especially the offensive

1291
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 4: line instead of coaching them up enough to be like

1292
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: good enough, Like let's have some bad asses. Trent Williams

1293
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: is not gonna be, you know, at this Hall of

1294
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: Fame ridiculous level forever. And cornerbacks.

1295
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 6: I could see them as a candidate to trade up

1296
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 6: if they love a tackle and they can swing a

1297
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 6: deal to get just to not wait until thirty one

1298
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 6: to get the guy if it's if there's a run

1299
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 6: on tackles, and I agree, like they could get someone

1300
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 6: to come in and compete at right tackle. And Trent

1301
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 6: Williams is still there, but it's like, be aggressive. You're

1302
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 6: the Niners, Like, don't wait for the third or fourth,

1303
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 6: fifth best option.

1304
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 4: The salary cap is real, I always you know, it's

1305
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: an exaggerationing state. It's not real, but it can be

1306
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Speaker 4: negotiating for more for more teams than not. It's harder

1307
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 4: to find great to good players to use that cap

1308
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: space on. The forty nine ers are the exception. They

1309
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: keep finding these great players so much that it really

1310
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: is an issue with them in terms of team building

1311
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Speaker 4: that it makes John Lynch have to really hit these picks.

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Speaker 4: And I just feel looking at their roster they again

1313
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 4: are kind of at a point where they need to

1314
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Speaker 4: start infusing the next super duper stars, and that's tough

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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 5: And especially when so many teams are in a position

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Speaker 5: where it's even worse than the forty nine ers up front,

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Speaker 5: like they don't have a Hall of Famer at left

1319
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Speaker 5: tackle to say, well, at least that right, at least

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Speaker 5: that's there.

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Speaker 3: True and a coach that seems to make it work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And they're competing against the rest of the league

1323
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 5: which is in a similar position of need where now,

1324
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 5: thanks to their success, more than half of the league

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Speaker 5: is running the same.

1326
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Speaker 2: Offense right where everybody's looking for the same player.

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Speaker 3: I know that, and picking ahead of them in this draft.

1328
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: You we have not reached saturation.

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Speaker 4: To me, Alex van Pelt in New England might be

1330
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: the saturation point when I mean, look, they haven't all

1331
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: worked either, Like Luke Getzi with the Bears didn't really work.

1332
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: Like that's that tree. Not everyone in this tree is

1333
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: going to work. But at some point the saturation is

1334
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: an issue. Like when eight to ten gms in the

1335
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Speaker 4: league were drafting similar players to the Patriots because they

1336
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: were all Patriots disciples.

1337
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Speaker 3: Around the league.

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Speaker 4: I think that created a real, you know, competitive problem

1339
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 4: for the Patriots and these other teams. And I think

1340
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: the same thing is going to happen with all these

1341
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 4: McVeigh offenses at some point. All right, let's pause one

1342
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 4: more time. We will app things up on the other

1343
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: side and we are back. Okay, let's let's go speed round.

1344
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Speaker 4: We'll each go one last one.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I'm looking at the team that just lost

1346
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 5: to the San Francisco Ford Nunders. That was a fun

1347
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 5: team for all of us. The Detroit Lion, glad you

1348
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 5: picked them. They have a burning desire for a playmaker.

1349
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 5: In the secondary. I really don't care if it's a cornerback,

1350
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 5: if it's a safety, maybe it's a Cooper de Jon,

1351
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 5: who knows. But this identity of this football team, you

1352
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: can find it every place, even in quarterback and Jared

1353
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 5: Golf all the way to the defensive line. But the

1354
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: secondary is just kind of there.

1355
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 6: And they've been trying, and they don't have a ton

1356
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 6: of needs. So it's like, go get that thing that

1357
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 6: you need.

1358
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 4: I would I would push back a little bit on

1359
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 4: that one. I think they need help up front on

1360
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: both sides, and you're right, they're in a good spot

1361
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 4: where it's not these screaming needs. But they came in

1362
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 4: drafting Pinasoul saying they're gonna be all about the offensive line.

1363
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Speaker 4: He is by far the youngest guy on that offensive line.

1364
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: It's an older group. They haven't brought in anyone that's

1365
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 4: me any difference there, and so I think they need

1366
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 4: to start thinking about the future on the offense and

1367
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 4: the defensive line. The defensive line picks other than Hutchinson

1368
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: have been, you know, not all bad, but they haven't

1369
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 4: had big hits.

1370
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: And if you're counting on Marcus Davenboord and.

1371
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: DJ Reeder to be your starters coming off injuries and stuff.

1372
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: I think they get back to a Dan Campbell meat

1373
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 4: and potatoes linemen on both sides.

1374
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: See I snuck in my opinion on that one. It

1375
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: wasn't mine. I had go to Baltimore.

1376
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 6: I think that they it's fair to say that they

1377
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 6: are in this state in life where they're a little reckless.

1378
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: They need all sorts of things.

1379
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 6: They have more needs than you'd realize, like, and it

1380
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 6: starts with the fact that they let John Simpson, Kevin Zeitler,

1381
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 6: Morgan Moses all leave off the offensive line. You still

1382
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 6: have Ronnie Stanley, Patrick McCarry, Tyler Linderbaum, but you'd need

1383
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 6: help at guard I think, or look at an upgrade there.

1384
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 6: But I could also say you could say they they

1385
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 6: need you could you could upgrade a tackle if you

1386
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 6: wanted to. You need edge rushers. You have no more

1387
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 6: ol Odell Beckham. And you're in a place at wide

1388
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 6: out where you're you've reversed back a season where you've

1389
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 6: taken weapons away from Lamar Jackson. So they could go

1390
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 6: in a lot of different directions here. I don't think

1391
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have a problem with them picking a different

1392
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 6: change difference changing wide out as well, but like they

1393
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 6: kind of need a lot, Like they were the Ravens

1394
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 6: bled a lot of talent off this roster.

1395
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 4: They did, and probably more than any team in the league.

1396
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 4: Their roster feels like an incomplete now, just because we

1397
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 4: know how they work, playing the supplemental or compensatory pick

1398
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 4: game and waiting and signing a lot of veteranss. I

1399
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: think there's seventeen guys left off my one oh one

1400
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: they're going to be signing. I feel like a lot

1401
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: of players that are free agents and available that end

1402
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 4: up playing three to five hundred snaps for them. And

1403
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: Eric DaCosta uh and his predecessor as you knew, some

1404
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: who's still there. I mean, it's like this guy retires

1405
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: and then he's he's in the booth at the combine.

1406
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: Is he really retired. I don't know. To me, he's

1407
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: probably contributing. Uh.

1408
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 4: They do a great job, but I'm with you they

1409
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 4: I feel like they have a lot of snaps to

1410
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: still find this offseason.

1411
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 6: They do always have like seventeen to eighteen third round

1412
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 6: picks at the end of the right and.

1413
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 4: So they'll do it that way. But I'm with especially

1414
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 4: you shout it out Ed Dresher. I think that that

1415
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 4: is definitely something they would want to address. Cornerback is

1416
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: another for my final one, where shall I go? You know,

1417
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: when it comes to the Patriots, it's just been all

1418
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 4: quarterback talk. They don't have a left tackle. It's possibly

1419
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 4: the worst wide receiver group in the NFL. Right the

1420
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 4: case it is, I think Kristian Gonzal is going to

1421
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 4: be a great pro. They need cornerbacks, like a lot

1422
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 4: of needs here, just saying they have some burning desires

1423
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 4: outside of quarterback.

1424
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: I just I think I don't know.

1425
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 6: Like it's interesting because we could have imagined what Bill

1426
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 6: Belichick might do in this situation. It's hard to know

1427
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 6: what this front office will do necessarily. But like there

1428
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 6: is a that they can get too cute and not

1429
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 6: get a quarterback. I get that you trade down, but

1430
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 6: then too cute and don't want to get a wide

1431
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 6: receiver and too cute and don't get one of these

1432
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 6: other Just like let's be you need everything, but get

1433
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 6: the positions that you want a rookie contract, like you

1434
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 6: want a quarterback on a rookie contract. You want if

1435
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 6: you're gonna have a diva wide out. You want him

1436
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 6: on a rookie contract like you want a left tackle.

1437
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 6: You want him on a rookie contract, versus like trying

1438
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 6: to pick up these other Their group of wideouts is

1439
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 6: one of the most the least creative team building collections

1440
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 6: of pass catchers.

1441
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: You can imagine the last half decade. It's pretty rough.

1442
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 4: Ten Kendrick Bourne is your best guy, but he's coming

1443
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 4: off a torn aco I kind of pop.

1444
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: Douglas was good last year.

1445
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean, they just they just have issues, and yet

1446
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 4: they do not think they should trade out. If Adam

1447
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 4: Schefter is right, as he said on his podcast, is

1448
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 4: this week given me this hope that he really thinks

1449
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 4: it's Jayden Daniels at two when he puts that out

1450
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 4: there in early April, He's tended to be right.

1451
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 6: Daniels is three versus the Commander's taking Daniels.

1452
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: He says, what did I just say? Said?

1453
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 2: You said Daniels it too?

1454
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just got what I want. That's what I want.

1455
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 4: I would be happy with Jade and Daniels too, but

1456
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: I feel I really like the idea of Drake may Well.

1457
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 6: Let's hope that, you know, every Patriots fan gets what

1458
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 6: they want a quarterback after two or three tough seasons.

1459
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: With all our hearts go out to you.

1460
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: That was it.

1461
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 4: Eagles get a freaking linebacker. It it keeps ruining your seasons.

1462
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 4: And then you, you know, get a linebacker you didn't

1463
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 4: know what you had with Kaizier.

1464
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: White Bucks get an edge. Giants get a running back.

1465
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 6: Bringing up running back Brandon Singletary is not taking you

1466
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 6: to the rams in a good spot, I think, but

1467
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 6: certainly need a lot more.

1468
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 4: How you know, don't make it so hard on your

1469
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. You definitely need to try to replace not

1470
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 4: just Aaron Donald, but get more edge helped too. What

1471
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 4: a show, what a what a lot of fun with

1472
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Speaker 4: you guys, always good. Thanks to everyone listening. We will

1473
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 4: be back next week with three shows. Uh Dan, We'll

1474
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 4: be back and uh until then, thank you to Eric.

1475
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 4: You know, I know that's a big day for your bills.

1476
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 4: H Ormark Sessler put Patrick clay Von He's a call,

1477
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Speaker 4: HM