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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it Joined as always,

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Speaker 2: buy our bar gap gafit match.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar I.

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Speaker 2: Really want to drink the kool Aid with this team

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Speaker 2: right now because I am excited. I have the glass

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Speaker 2: of kool Aid is on the table right like I

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Speaker 2: poured it. It's on the table, it's right there. I'm

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Speaker 2: like about to pick it up and drink it. What's

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Speaker 2: your favorite kool Aid? Do you have a favorite one?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Man, I just the lemonade?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say lemonade? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I haven't had kool Aid and long? But does that

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Speaker 1: used to be a summer staple. Maybe I'll bring that

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Speaker 2: You're gonna bring kool Aid back.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know how much sugar's in there.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of sugar and kool Aid. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 2: It's Evan Lazar Alex Barth. Patriots Catch twenty two, really

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Speaker 2: big off season Catch twenty two. We're in the in

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Speaker 2: the doul drums right word right, everybody gets on me

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Speaker 2: about my words doldrums of the off season right now,

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk Patriots football though, or we still

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Speaker 2: got plenty to talk about. We're gonna do a little

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Speaker 2: roster projection talk and we'll take your calls and we'll

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Speaker 2: take your emails. But before we get rolling here on

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Speaker 2: all of that, I wasn't one hundred percent sure that

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Speaker 2: you were gonna have time, Alex for this podcast anymore,

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Speaker 2: because you have expanded your podcast repertoire and now you

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Speaker 2: are just on seventeen different podcasts, So you are going

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Speaker 2: to make time for Catch twenty two. All right, there,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna still be a podcast here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am your referring to. David Andrews is coming

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Speaker 1: over doing some stuff with Sports Up. We're super excited.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on Azolak and Bertrand during football

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Speaker 1: season once a week, I believe is the plan. And

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Speaker 1: then me and him are going to do something that

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Speaker 1: kind of ties into that, and exactly what that is

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Speaker 1: we're still kind of figuring out. But there will be

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Speaker 1: sort of something with me and David Andrews. So update

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Speaker 1: your Alex Podcast co host power rankings.

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Speaker 2: I'm still number one. I'm number one.

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Speaker 1: What the people decide, David Andrews.

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Speaker 2: Is number two because he's a super Bowl champion, so

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Speaker 2: obviously he's ahead of everybody else, but I'm still number one.

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Speaker 1: I'll let the people decide.

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Speaker 2: Well. I would also just say about all of this

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Speaker 2: that and I love David Andrews, but as soon as

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Speaker 2: players retire, they immediately come to the dark side. They

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Speaker 2: immediately come to the media, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: everybody wants to be in the media. During their careers,

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Speaker 2: David was great, not all of them. David Andrews was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a guy probably sitting in an office

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Speaker 1: over that way that didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, but there's there's all I'm saying is is that

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that are, you know, not

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Speaker 2: David Andrews. Andrews was great, but there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys that weren't great with the media, and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they retire and now they're in

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Speaker 2: the media because guess what, it's fun. It's a fun

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Speaker 2: way to make some money, no doubt about it. It's

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Speaker 2: not a real job, we know that. But I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that you're still gonna make time for this show. And

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Speaker 2: that's pretty cool with David Andrews. Your name was even

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Speaker 2: in the press release, Yes, along with David Andrews. You know,

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Speaker 1: And that's the only reason I like specified it, Like

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Speaker 1: him being on Zola can Bertrain once a week and

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Speaker 1: he'll do some stuff on the pregame, Like that's the

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Speaker 1: cool part. Yeah, and then he's just doing something with me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they talked him into that, but

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Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing that I thought was funny

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Speaker 1: We've got good people over there, we got you got

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking prepared. It's honestly, kind of what I'm

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Speaker 2: that's really cool. But again, I'm just I'm really glad

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Speaker 2: that you're still gonna do this show. And how many

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Speaker 2: podcasts do you have now that are Patriot centric podcast It's.

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Speaker 1: We're Patriots centric.

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Speaker 2: We're going on double digits at this point. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: today is we are going to do a fifty three

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Speaker 2: I kind of have a half baked one over here

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Speaker 2: talk about where I would maybe differ from you, if

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Speaker 2: not the same. And then also we're going to do

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Speaker 2: Don't forget about special teams next week. So let's get

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Speaker 1: Position, like the depth chart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is kind of like a roster projection

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Speaker 2: at quarterback. I don't really feel that there's any doubt

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Speaker 2: don't think we've seen enough to determine that. Or there's

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Speaker 1: There's a two horse race for the MVP in the

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Speaker 2: miss Ole, miss Why did I think Florida State?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, but it was Jordan Tamud. You

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Speaker 1: don't remember Bryce Perkins. I think that all of them

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Speaker 1: hard to find this. Yeah, so you can't name a

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Speaker 1: hard to justify keeping him on the fifty three when

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Speaker 1: let's say, you know, it's a seventeen game season, Drake's

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Speaker 1: we'd like a little more depth. Will you promote Woolridge

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Speaker 1: You don't need to make him the emergency. So I

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Speaker 1: look that doesn't take a roster.

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Speaker 2: That rule about elevating them the practice squad was vetoed

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Speaker 2: in the last go around of trying to pass that rule,

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Speaker 2: so they still need to be on the fifty.

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Speaker 1: Thh so they can't be in elevation correct. So okay,

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Speaker 1: But again, it just you know, you make something work

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Speaker 1: that week where maybe you cut somebody and you sign

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Speaker 1: him and then you move them back. We've seen them

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Speaker 1: outside looking in, I'm not ruling out them him making

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would definitively be him, but I

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Speaker 2: I just feel like this is no disrespect to Ben Woolridge,

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Speaker 1: Are there going to be times where they want Henderson

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Speaker 1: I guess, do you need all three of those guys

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Speaker 1: But I still think he's a guy that you keep

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Speaker 1: On the bubble. Don't get me wrong, but I have

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Speaker 2: to it. I'm gonna go to tight ends in full

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Speaker 2: they practice together. They're not A full back is not

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Speaker 1: Long snapper is not a tight end.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's just Madden. That's just Madden, not anymore

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Speaker 2: Jean Bell, Jack west Over, CJ. Dupre G, Scott Junior

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Speaker 2: are the candidates there. And the main reason why I

435
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: don't have them carrying a third tight end is because

436
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: I think this is what the practice squad is now

437
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 2: built for. I don't know. I think those guys, to

438
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: use a baseball term, those guys are four A players,

439
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: and so do you need to take up a roster

440
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: spot on a third tight end? Where if you get

441
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: into a game week and you're like, we're gonna be

442
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 2: twelve personnel heavy, Like the game plan is twelve personnel heavy,

443
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: and if knock on Wood, some Henry or Hooper goes down,

444
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: then we have to throw out the entire game plan

445
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: because we don't have a second tight end to put

446
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: on the field. So maybe this week we elevate jam Bell,

447
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 2: or this week we elevate CJ. Duprie. I just don't

448
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 2: know if those guys are gonna be sought after commodities

449
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: enough to have to keep them on the initial fifty

450
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: three man roster. So right now I have Henry Hooper

451
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: and Brock Lampy.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I have the same thing.

453
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: I just think you can nobody emerged and look, maybe

454
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 1: somebody and CJ. Depriez kind of the guy you look

455
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: at here because he's a blocking tight end. And what

456
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: happens when the pads come on, Maybe somebody emerges and

457
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: has a strong enough summer that now you feel, okay,

458
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: we have to keep him on the roster. Right sure,

459
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: but for the time being, as it looks right now,

460
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: you can get I mean, I think of the four,

461
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna keep four tight ends on the

462
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Speaker 1: practice squad, but you could keep two even three of

463
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Speaker 1: these guys between Jaheen Bell G Scott, CJ. Deprie and

464
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: Jack west Over. Jack west Over got some decent run

465
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Speaker 1: this spring. Let's not write him out of this, and

466
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Speaker 1: then you just elevate guys as needed. Like that's such

467
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: a classic usage of that practice squad elevation and it's

468
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: what three per player. Right, So let's say you keep

469
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Speaker 1: three of them. Let's say you keep Bell to pre

470
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Speaker 1: in Westover. That's nine weeks. That's nine weeks or third

471
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Speaker 1: tight ends you have lined up, and we know how

472
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Speaker 1: this works out. Obviously you're not rooting for injury, but

473
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: eventually his spot's gonna open up, and when you need

474
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 1: to put a tight end on the roster, you'll put

475
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Speaker 1: a tight end on the roster. So for now, I

476
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Speaker 1: think they could take advantage of the practice squad elevation.

477
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Speaker 1: They only need to keep the two tight ends in

478
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Speaker 1: Lampy and they'll just elevate guys.

479
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Speaker 2: So a couple of things I want to unpack here

480
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Speaker 2: Jeane Bell. I want to start with him. I've been

481
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Speaker 2: a little bit disappointed so far, and I know it's

482
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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit unfair to say disappointed because here's

483
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Speaker 2: a seventh round pick, and my expectations probably shouldn't have

484
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: been very high. But at the same time, I didn't

485
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Speaker 2: when they drafted him. I didn't feel like he was

486
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Speaker 2: a true seventh round pick. I felt like his talent

487
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 2: level was higher than that. A lot of projections had

488
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: him going like in the early to mid day three range,

489
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Speaker 2: and he fell to the seventh round because essentially because

490
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: he's a player without a position, Like he's kind of

491
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: this tweeter full back tight end type. It's a little

492
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Speaker 2: too tall, a little too big to be a full

493
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Speaker 2: beat but he's not a natural in line tight end either.

494
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: So he's kind of a man without a home right now,

495
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: or man without a position, and that hurt him in

496
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Speaker 2: the draft as well. And I just wonder, and maybe

497
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: it's not in this system. Maybe this is not the

498
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: right fit for him. Maybe he needs a John hu

499
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: Smith type that needs to be in a West Coast

500
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: offense with Kyle Shanahan or with Mike McDaniel who had

501
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: a great year with John hu Smith last year. But

502
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: there's got to be a way in theory that somebody

503
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: could tap into that. Jaheinm Bell athleticism, like, he's clearly

504
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: a great athlete, tested extremely well, a big, fast, strong guy. Like,

505
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: there's clearly a raw skill set there and a raw

506
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: talent there. But in my opinion, the way that you

507
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: have to go about untapping that is that it's very

508
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: he has to have a very scheme specific role. You know,

509
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to find ways schematically to get him

510
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: the ball in pockets of space. Where he can use

511
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: his ball carrying skill, whether it's a screen, whether it's

512
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, sliding him across the formation on a bootleg,

513
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: whether it's a crossing route, a seam route, just things

514
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: that are runways that create those foot races for him

515
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: all over the field. If you're asking him to just

516
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: like run routes and break down and catch the ball,

517
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: and he's gonna look clunky, and it's gonna look on

518
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: orthodox a lot like it did for Johnny Right in

519
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: this offense, It's just not gonna look right. So is

520
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: there a world that Jahean Bell works here? Like, what's

521
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: the path for Jaheim Bell to work here? Because I

522
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: still think it's ideally his role is pretty similar to

523
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: like how the forty nine ers use Kyle Uschek, Like

524
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: he's a traditional fullback some of the time, probably the

525
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: majority of the time, but in reality he's kind of

526
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: this Swiss army knife blocker who can block from multiple alignments,

527
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: catch the ball from multiple alignments, detached from the formation,

528
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: not a guy that's got his hand in the dirt

529
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Speaker 2: at the end of the line of scrimmage. So do

530
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Speaker 2: you do you see a path for Jama Bell here?

531
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: There's a path I just didn't don't know. Okay, so

532
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: you keeping a true fullback in an H back because

533
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this, I think he can do

534
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: some of that Kyle used check fullback stuff, but that's

535
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: not how Josh McDaniels has traditionally used the position. He's

536
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: used the position is who's meeting the linebacker in the

537
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: A gap? And that's something that you know, Bell's not

538
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: really a blocker in that way. He's not somebody who's

539
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: just gonna put his head down the way Lampy does

540
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: so and they they've struggled with scheme touch players as

541
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: a whole, like you said with John hu Smith. So

542
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean you could keep both when you're having an

543
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: H back where you also have a traditional fullback. So

544
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: he's doing less. That's a pretty limited role. I don't

545
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: know if you're using a roster spot on that, but

546
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: that's what they would have to deem that one role,

547
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: and he probably played a ton of special teams. They'd

548
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: have to deem that role being worth a practice squad spot,

549
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: agree or a roster spot.

550
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 2: If he can't play traditional full back. I think it's

551
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: a tough path for him, and I don't think that

552
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: he's really he's high cut, so he's not really built

553
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: to like sink and meet the guy in the hole,

554
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: and and.

555
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: Like, really, what are you looking for more out of

556
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: that role? So that traditional fullback stuff, So you're gonna

557
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: keep the guy that's better than that in Lampy.

558
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: So, like you said that, that brings us to Dupre

559
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: and Jack Westover, who Jack Westover got a lot of

560
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: run in the Spring. Yeah, I don't know how much

561
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: I'm going to look into that. It's a spring they

562
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: like Jack west Over. Austin Hooper wasn't really a full

563
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: go It didn't seem like for some of the Spring.

564
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Right, But somebody from that group before had to get

565
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: those and it was Jack Westover.

566
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: So what do we make of that because he if

567
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: we're just taking that phase of value of what was

568
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: happening in front of us during the last couple of weeks,

569
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Jack Westover was involved.

570
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Jack west Over right now might be the third tight

571
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: end and that can change. But that's what that told

572
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: me is he's the third And look, I think you

573
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: split that into well, Jahem Bell is not going to

574
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: do the stuff Austin Hooper did. He's more specialized and

575
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: even CJ. Dpreeze more of a blocker. He's not going

576
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: to do the stuff Austin Hooper did, So it breaks

577
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: down a little bit more. But if that's what they like,

578
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: what do they want? We kind of are assuming they

579
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: want a blocker for that third ten end and that

580
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: would make sense. What if they just want another body

581
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: who can do the stuff Hooper and Henry do as

582
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: you know insurance, Well, then it's between Jack west Over

583
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: and g Scott. Yeah, because that's those I mean. G

584
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: Scott was a four star receiver at Ohio State and

585
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: then move I think he was four star and then

586
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: moved to tight end. He's a true receiving tight end.

587
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Does Jack Westover give you any Jacob Hollister vibes? Maybe

588
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: that's just the lazy comparison a little bit, but that's

589
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: kind of how I see him. And like Jacob Hollister,

590
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: not that he's had this great career, but like the

591
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: times that he has been good, it's been stuff near

592
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, and there's a pretty good athlete.

593
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: He can win those foot races to the to the

594
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: edges and things like that on you know, shallow crossers

595
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: and things and leaks into the flat and like all

596
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That's that's sort of how I

597
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: see Jack west Over in terms of the skill set.

598
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: He's carved out an eight year NFL career. There's a

599
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: spot for that guy in the league, and there are

600
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: some similarities there. It doesn't mean that he's great, but

601
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: there's a spot for that guy in the league.

602
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: So CJ. Dupree, I'm still holding out hope that that's

603
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: one of my UDF guys, and I still have I

604
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: still have real estate on CG. Deprie Island.

605
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: By the way, G Scott was the seventy seventieth ranked

606
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: player in the class at twenty twenty.

607
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Is that good?

608
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: The top one hundred recruit good. He's the seventieth best

609
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: player in his high school class NATE nationally and he's

610
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: an there right, here's a wide receiver recruited Ohio State.

611
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: That's usually something pretty good.

612
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So maybe he's that.

613
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I think everybody got excited about c J. Deprie,

614
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: and I am excited about it. Part of the reason

615
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: you get excited about c J.

616
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Dupris I got real estate on the island. I had

617
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: a big nice.

618
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's wrong to be excited about him.

619
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: But part of the reason I think from a Patriots

620
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: perspective you get excited about him is their tap two

621
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: tight ends aren't really blockers. He's a blocking tight end.

622
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. There's a clear path there.

623
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: The path or g Scott maybe isn't as clear. But

624
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: that's not to say like he's not a it's not

625
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: to say he's a scrub, like there is something there.

626
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: It's we are all assuming again the Patriots want to

627
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: blocking tight end in that role. So what I would

628
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: do personally, and I you know, there's logic for them

629
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: doing that. What if we're wrong in assuming that, What

630
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: if they want a third receiving tight end. If that's

631
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: what it is, then it's again it's westover g Scott

632
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: over Dupree. Because if you're looking for a guy that okay,

633
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: if Hunter Henry goes down or Austin Hooper goes down,

634
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: and we want a guy that we can put out

635
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: in the pattern, those are the guys who are gonna

636
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: give the role to Yeah, which is again I think

637
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: all the more reason that you're keeping as many of

638
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: those guys as you can on the practice squad to

639
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: have them ready at that situation occurs.

640
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: So the last thing I want to back here at

641
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: this position before we move on the full back. I

642
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: we both feel like the fullbacks back and yeah, when

643
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: we saw it in the spring, there's a lot bit

644
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: happy about that. Yes, there's a lot of fullback stuff

645
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: going on in the spring, a lot of regular a

646
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: lot of base personnel going on with the full back.

647
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: Brock Lampy right now is the guy. And I've used

648
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Speaker 2: this analogy before, but it's like when you're on a

649
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Speaker 2: hockey team or a lacrosse team that has one goalie

650
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: and so you just automatically default know who the goalie is.

651
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: Right now, that's Brock Lampy at the full back position.

652
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Speaker 2: And the one thing that always excites me about the

653
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Speaker 2: full back and the usage of the full back. And

654
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Speaker 2: I should just say from a number standpoint, the last

655
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Speaker 2: two Josh McDaniels offense is for the full season. He

656
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Speaker 2: got fired mid season in Vegas. So twenty one and

657
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: twenty two with the Patriots and with the Raiders, both

658
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: offenses were top five in the league in twenty one.

659
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Speaker 2: Personnel usage, So two running backs or two backs in

660
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Speaker 2: the backfield one tight end, usually a running back in

661
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Speaker 2: a full back. So both times, by the way, Jakub

662
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Speaker 2: Johnson was the fullback right. So they have a type.

663
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Speaker 2: They've used it at one of the highest clips in

664
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Speaker 2: the league. We saw it in the spring. It would

665
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: be an upset at this point to say that there

666
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: would be no fullback in this offense moving forward. The

667
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: fullback has a lot of schematic advantages that I've asked

668
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Speaker 2: a lot of people about over the years, and the

669
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Speaker 2: biggest one from just a true x's and o's standpoint,

670
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: is that the full back can go both ways. Right,

671
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: like a tight end that's lined up on the line

672
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, it's harder for that tight end to now,

673
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Speaker 2: let's say he's lined up on the right side of

674
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Speaker 2: the formation, it's hard to get him over to the

675
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: left side of the formation right. And so as a defense,

676
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: when you start to mirror what the offense is doing defensively,

677
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Speaker 2: like you're gonna be tilted mostly towards the strong side

678
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: of the formation where that extra tight end is. From

679
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: a front standpoint, so with the full back, there's an

680
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: unpredictable element because he's lined up. You know, if you're

681
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: power eye right he's lined up right in front of

682
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: the running back and they could go left or they

683
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: could go right just as easily. There's no tell there.

684
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: The other thing that I really like about the full

685
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: back that I'm glad that it's back. Well, I should

686
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: also say he's also just a freaking battering ram up

687
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: the middle of the field for the running back.

688
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: This for mister Caveman football.

689
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: That that helps having that Now you're geting that that light.

690
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: I think what did they describe James Devilon as like

691
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: a green light? Like, you know, follow the light, right,

692
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: follow James Devlin. That does make your job easier as

693
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Speaker 2: a running back.

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Speaker 1: I just just so clear on where you stand because

695
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Speaker 1: you're usually well, you know, we need you know, it's

696
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: got to be more than just crash heads.

697
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Speaker 2: Smash hair and a steal hair.

698
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: All right, but this is what you're describing, and you

699
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: sound very excited about I am.

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Speaker 2: Excited about it, Okay, I'm very because the real reason

701
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: why I'm excited about it, Alex, is because using the

702
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: full back to get those again I'll go baseball, to

703
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: get the singles to get on base is great, but

704
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: using the full back and play action for the home

705
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: runs is really what you're trying.

706
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: To set fit in because the nerds hate singles.

707
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: You're just trying you're you're really trying to set up

708
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: the big pass. That's really what you're trying.

709
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: Well, and it makes it easier because if you have

710
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Speaker 1: the fullback on the field, the defense either has to

711
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: get bigger defensively it's gonna make it easier to pass

712
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: the football, or get smaller and then you just run it.

713
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: That's what the twenty eighteen Patriots did because they had

714
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. And look, Patriots don't have Tom Brady now,

715
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: but like they put the fullback on the field, the

716
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Speaker 1: defense wasn't willing to go to a bigger package because

717
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: they didn't want Brady carving them up, so they just

718
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: ran it down everybody's throats for sixty minutes.

719
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Speaker 2: So there's the advantage, like you just said, of matching

720
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: personnel base on base or nickel or dime on base,

721
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 2: and then you run the ball base on base, you

722
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: throw the ball. There's all sorts of really great advantages

723
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Speaker 2: for the offense of being in a base formation, being

724
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Speaker 2: in a run formation with base personnel, and then throwing

725
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: out of that base personnel. It's probably the best way

726
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: to throw the football if you can, if you have

727
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: the base personnel to do it at a high level,

728
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: it's it can be really prolific. Then the other thing

729
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: with the full back, just from a post nap perspective,

730
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Speaker 2: is that now you can mimic the run plays and

731
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: you can make all of it look the same. So

732
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Speaker 2: we just talked about how it's easier to run behind

733
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Speaker 2: the full back and you know, go right up the

734
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: middle of the gut of the defense with the full

735
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: back leading the way. Well, now you have the full

736
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Speaker 2: back go right up the gut of the middle of

737
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Speaker 2: the defense. But now it's play action, and so those

738
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: linebackers have no choice most of the time but to

739
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: react to that action, step up downhill into the line

740
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, and that's when you get the crossers, the

741
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: seam routes, you know, gronk up the seam off the action.

742
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: The lead action is just like a classic vintage McDaniel's play.

743
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: So I'm a big full back guy. I think there's

744
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: a lot of schematic advantages to having the full back.

745
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they're bringing the full back back their

746
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: short yardage offense too. There are power numbers or so

747
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: much better in the full back era than the non

748
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: full back era recently. Again, that's more to the first

749
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: point of do you just have that battering ram in

750
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: front of everybody? But short yardage, goal line power number

751
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: is much better. Throwing out a base personnel with the

752
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: full back in the backfield is can be really efficient offense.

753
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: So I'm all for the full back coming back, and

754
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: I think we're getting that. So that's tight end slash

755
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: full back. We're both at Henry Hooper brock Lampy for

756
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: the time being. Let's get to offensive line, which is

757
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: a beefy position. I almost want to break this up

758
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: into guards and interior guards, tackles, excuse me, and interior guys.

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00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: There are that many guys. There's I have one guy

760
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: that we too. I guess that really crossed that.

761
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: There's so many guys, that's my point in general. And JUI,

762
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: so I have let's see, I have ten.

763
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: I was so tempted to keep ten. I up with nine.

764
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: But my fifty fourth or fifty fifth player is so

765
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: fifty fourth player at tackle? Yeah, two locks, will Campbell,

766
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses. Obviously I do have Kitten Wallace on right now,

767
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: and I think that there's some flexibility there with him

768
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: being able to play some guard like we saw in

769
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: the spring too, so I think he's going to stick around.

770
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Speaker 1: As of right now, I have a Darian low On

771
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: the main reason why I have a Darian Lowe on

772
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: is I just don't until I see King Kate Walls,

773
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: you don't have a backup left tackle exactly.

774
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: I don't like who's truly the backup left tackle out

775
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: of this group. And then I also have them holding

776
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: on to Marcus Brian as a developmental player. But you're

777
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: not putting.

778
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant then keeping five tackles.

779
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Five tackles, okay, because I feel like Kitten Wallace is

780
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: more at this point like a flex or swing player

781
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: inside outside.

782
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Kten Wallas is right tackle. Combo card, I don't think

783
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: you're putting Kan Walls a left tackle less it's an emergency.

784
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: Agreed, and I as.

785
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant left tack before I put Kane Wallace there.

786
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: I think I would probably too. And then Vaderian Lowe

787
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: I have there. I know he's a point of contention

788
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: with people after last year, but really, what's your left

789
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: tackle depth look like if he's not here?

790
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: So I got a little creative with it. Okay, so

791
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: I have more Campbell Moses Wallace, yep. And so I

792
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: was between for my backup left tackle because I'm with,

793
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: you need somebody. I ended up cutting Marcus Bryant because

794
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I went purely on versatility. I have Jack Connelly, and

795
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: the idea being if Will Campbell gets hurt in a game,

796
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: it might not be pretty, but Jack Connelly's played it.

797
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: He'll get you through the week. And then you're keeping

798
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Brian on the practice squad and maybe Venderien Lowe

799
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: as well, and then the next week you add one

800
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: of those guys to the roster if Will Campbell's gonna

801
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: miss time.

802
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: So that's not a good spot to be in. There's

803
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: a lot and I don't mean.

804
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: It's not that different than your spot, no, No, I.

805
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: Just mean in Jet like regardless.

806
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: Of yeah, they don't ever real backup left tackle.

807
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 5: Now.

808
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: I think that you could probably say that about a

809
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: lot of teams. Yeah, there's a tackle. There's a depression

810
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: on tackles right now, and I think there's a lot

811
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: of teams that probably sit back and say, oh, our

812
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: depth at left tackle is not great. But he's the

813
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick, so he this comes with the territory

814
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: of something of this territory of being the fourth overall pick.

815
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: When I did this exercise, it definitely put in perspective

816
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: how much is riding on Will Campbell. Yes, and it

817
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: doesn't even need to be that Will Campbell's a stud.

818
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: He has to be starting cal he needs to be

819
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: starting caliber, and he needs to make it the season

820
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: like he's gonna have to, like if they have a

821
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 2: major injury. Again, knock on Wood to Will Campbell. That's

822
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: one of those Janga pieces that I think, now you're back.

823
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: Now you're back where you were last year, essentially because

824
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: they didn't really add a true backup left tackle. So

825
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: again I was between. The reason I didn't keep Low

826
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: is because whether it's Bryant or whether it's Conley, Marcus

827
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: Bryant can play both tackle spots. Jack Connelly can play

828
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: both tackle spots and both guard spots. Now can he

829
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: do it at an NFL level? This is what we're

830
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna see this summer, And maybe Jack Connelly comes out

831
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 1: this summer and isn't good and all. Justin I'll put

832
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant, Irvener and Low back on the roster right,

833
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: but they were giving him a ton of opportunities to spring.

834
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: It felt like they're moving him around. It felt like

835
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: somebody they wanted to keep. And if he can play

836
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: on the left side again, it's not like you're going

837
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: into the season you can't make moves. You might end

838
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: up in a bad spot for a game, as they

839
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: did multiple times last year. Who was the guy they

840
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: got off the Rams practice squad who had like never

841
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: played tackle and he had to play tackle for half

842
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: a game because people got hurt, and then they cut him.

843
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh do you know what I'm talking about?

844
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Then the name is right because.

845
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: They ran through so many different players last year. But

846
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: the point being, like I think Jack Connelly could if

847
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: he's the player I think he is. I don't know

848
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: that I want him starting games for the Patriots at

849
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: left tackle, But if he has to get you through

850
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: the rest of a game after campbellill it gets hurt,

851
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: and then you bring low Er Bryant back from the

852
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: practice squad the next week, that's what you do.

853
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a fair enough reasoning, I just.

854
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: And the same could be said for Marcus Bryant. Literally,

855
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker for me was Marcus Bryant plays both tackles.

856
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: Connolly plays both tackles and both guards. And with the

857
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: guy that you're talking about, Zack Thomas instead of two. Yes,

858
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: I knew it was the name of another NFL players,

859
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: Zach Tom Zach Thomas.

860
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: Yes, so I understand what you're talking about. I just again,

861
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: I look at Will Campbell rookie. I'm not saying that

862
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: Will Campbell's gonna get bench for Vaderian Lowe by any means.

863
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: There is there a chance of that Will Campbell gets

864
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: hurt though, as a rookie in his first NFL season

865
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: and doesn't go the full seventeen games. I think there

866
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: you have to count on that being a possibility. And

867
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Vaderian Lowe right now is the only guy on the

868
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: team with that as any real starting experience at the position.

869
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: So Jack Colley's an interesting one. You know, maybe he

870
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: earns that kind of keep. So I interior offensive line

871
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: now on when who Bradbury Cole Strange? Right now? I

872
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: have Jared Wilson and City so on as well. So

873
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: I do not have Leyden Robinson on.

874
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't either. I have Connolly on when who so Strange,

875
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: brad Berry, Wilson, and then I had Ben Brown right

876
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: on the bubble.

877
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have Laydon Robinson and Ben Brown is

878
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: right on the bubble as well. On when New Bradbury strange.

879
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good that those three are going to

880
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: be here, and Wilson obviously as the rookie, uh you

881
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: know third Brown pick will be here as well. Really

882
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of do you need to keep

883
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: a fifth guy in that.

884
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Mix again, like a guy like Connelly who can play

885
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: guard and tackle.

886
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: That's why I thought, that's what I kept sitting so

887
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: for maybe a little bit.

888
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that city can play tackle.

889
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't think you left tackle. I think maybe right there.

890
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean when when it comes to Laane Robinson, like

891
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: because I've been asked why I wasn't talking about him

892
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: or he we didn't really see him in the spring,

893
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and it didn't seem like he was hurt. He just

894
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: wasn't getting reps Tyrese Robinson got more reps than Laden

895
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: Robinson did.

896
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with Landon Robinson.

897
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Did you have west whitz on before he retired.

898
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Yes, so did I. I don't know what's going on

899
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: with Leydon Robinson It's one of the bigger under the

900
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: radar storylines that I would say I have about the

901
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: offensive line right now. It just doesn't seem like he's

902
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: in their plans.

903
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't.

904
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. I don't know if

905
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: it's that he's not picking it up. I don't know

906
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: if when I say up it, I mean the scheme,

907
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: the offense, he's not picking it up. I don't know

908
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: what it is. I don't want to speculate. I have

909
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: no idea, but based off the spring, it was strange.

910
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: It was Schweitzer when he was still participating. It was

911
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: Tyrese Robinson, it was City, it was pretty much anybody.

912
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Everybody.

913
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's telling. That's got to be telling.

914
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: It definite, As somebody pointed out to me, just we'll

915
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: get Tide receivers in a second. I have as many

916
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five udfas making the team as I do

917
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four draft picks.

918
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, this is it's a new vision,

919
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: it's a new coaching staff, it's a new offense. You

920
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: have to think in terms of everybody on this team

921
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: is starting from square one with Mike Rable. You have

922
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: not done anything for Mike Rabel yet, So yeah, it

923
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: just doesn't. There's no sacred cows because of that. Besides,

924
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, maybe like Drake May Christian Gonzales, but there's

925
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: really no sacred cows when it comes to these kinds

926
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: of guys. So the other thing that I find a

927
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: little bit interesting about this offensive line is just how

928
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: the weight is going to be distributed. I don't know,

929
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: I know that sounds like silly, but.

930
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna be bigger on the right side and the

931
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: left side. Yeah, and like very classic McDaniels though very

932
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: much so.

933
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: Though it's gonna be very pronounced because you're gonna have.

934
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Not if they plug City in it left guard.

935
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: Well, that's so that's sort of where I'm getting at,

936
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: because if I've wanted to be in there, if it's

937
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: Will Campbell, Cole Strange, Garrett Bradbury at center, I know

938
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Garrett Bradbury is in the middle, I get it all right.

939
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: But if it's that's sort of your three on the

940
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: left side, when you're going that direction, that's that's pretty small.

941
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: It's pretty small. So then on the right side you

942
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: have the house set is Morgan Moses, and you have

943
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: the cinder block that is Mike Onwenu. You have like

944
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: eight hundred pounds of human being on the right side,

945
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: and then you have like these felt athletic offensive linemen

946
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: on the left side. It's not the worst thing in

947
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: the world in terms of flexibility, and I would agree

948
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: in the past they had Solder in Tuney and then

949
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Mason and Cannon like it was similar to that they do.

950
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: It's more pronounced than that though, but it's similar. But

951
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: it is something that I think about because next to Campbell,

952
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: just to go back to the draft conversation a little bit,

953
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: the wingspan stuff. The big thing about the wingspan number

954
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: was it's it's his girth, right, It's like how wide

955
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: of a body he is and how much space that

956
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: he takes up. So if he's at left tackle Will Campbell,

957
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: which is going to be and then Cole Strange is

958
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: your left guard, You're just You're just narrow. You're just

959
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: you're just not taking up a whole lot of space

960
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: from a natural standpoint. So I've always thought that it

961
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: made a lot more sense to have a bigger guard

962
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: play next to Will Campbell. On top of that, he's

963
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: also playing next to Garrett Bradberry, who is also a

964
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: smaller guy. So it would help I think on both

965
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: sides of Campbell and brad Berry to have girthier, bigger

966
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: dudes next to him at left guard. Who is that

967
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: left guard? Is it City City so based on the

968
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: ross right now, or could it be my guy Jared Wilson.

969
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: I still think that Jared Wilson's good enough to start

970
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: you playing at center, Okay, and then that solved some

971
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: of your problem with guard in terms of the size

972
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: because now your center's bigger, Your center's bigger. I still

973
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: think if Jared Wilson's good enough to start, you start

974
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: him at center, like you let him work at that position,

975
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: and then like Ben Brown's right on the bubble too.

976
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I Ben Brown, So you know how I do like

977
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: my like last three on, last three off? Yes, so

978
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I had two linemen that were my like next three

979
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: off and it was Marcus Bryant and Ben Brown.

980
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my bubble because.

981
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: If you're gonna start Jared Wilson at left guard, like,

982
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: let's go down this road. If you're gonna start Jared

983
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Wilson left guard, now you have to keep Ben Brown.

984
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: As a backup center. Yeah, unless you kick Jared Wilson

985
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: into center.

986
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: We know that that's not their philosophy though they want

987
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: one in, one out, or if it's Cold Strange Okay,

988
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that year, but either one of those.

989
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: But we did col Strange get any center reps in

990
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: the spring that we saw not like very sparing, very sparingly, So.

991
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: Most of it was in like positions.

992
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I think, well, if Jared Wilson is going to start

993
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: a left guard, now, maybe you don't need to keep

994
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Jack Conley, Tyres Robinson, whoever that guy is, and that's

995
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: where that spot goes to Ben Brown.

996
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: It's just something to think about. They're not very big

997
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: on that left side, and they're not gonna they're not

998
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: gonna be big at center. If it's Garrett Bradbury either,

999
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: who I I know that we're all excited about Jared Wilson,

1000
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: and there is a world where Jared Wilson just gets healthy,

1001
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: gets on the field, is participating. It comes out of

1002
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: a Gang Busters and wins the job away from Bradbury.

1003
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: But Bradberry's experience, his steadiness, I just feel like there's

1004
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: a really good chance that Bradbury is the starting center.

1005
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: So the last one the definitely the one that gets

1006
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: the most headlines and the most attention is of course

1007
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: wide receiver. So there's one guy in here that I

1008
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: was A million guys that I have that are interesting.

1009
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, in terms of the locks, give us the

1010
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 2: total number that you have seven same So in terms

1011
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: of the locks, and I want to say this, we're

1012
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: gonna do defense next week, so I won't give out

1013
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: any names. But I did this strictly one time through

1014
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: just gut reaction, on off, on off, and I got

1015
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: exactly fifty three players the first time.

1016
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: That's that's impressive to me.

1017
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: That tells you just where this roster is, not necessarily

1018
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: in a bad way, but just kind of in a

1019
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: bad way. Like there just isn't a whole lot of

1020
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: guys that I felt guilty being like.

1021
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: No, I think Larson is the only guy you've said

1022
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: so far is on the bubble.

1023
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at wide receiver. Yeah, there's so many, there's

1024
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: like a million questions. Yeah, Stefan Diggs is going to

1025
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: be on the New England Patriots. Is he going to

1026
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: start the year on pup or is he going to

1027
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: start the year on the active ross one?

1028
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Just based off how he look the spring, I have

1029
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: him on the active roster.

1030
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: I do as well, but there's that storyline that's going

1031
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: to be something to monitor the entire training camp. Stefon

1032
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: Diggs is going to be here, though, so let's just

1033
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: earmark him for some sort of spot in this organization.

1034
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: Tomrio Douglas, I think is fine. Yeah, I think a

1035
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: good spring, good mini camp especially. I don't think to

1036
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: Mario Douglas is going anywhere, and of course Kyle Williams

1037
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: is not going anywhere either as a third round pick.

1038
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: The one guy that I want to say is a

1039
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: lock who I'm I'm not one hundred percent Shore because

1040
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: I hear it from other people in our brother in

1041
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: the beat is Matt Collins. Like I just I think

1042
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: Matt Collins is a lock personally because I feel like

1043
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: they have a vision of on and off the field,

1044
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: how Matt Collins is going to fit into their culture,

1045
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: and I they want to change the culture of the team,

1046
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: but they specifically have to know that room was a

1047
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: mess last year and they had to specifically attack the

1048
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: culture of the wide receiver room as well. Yeah, so

1049
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: even if Matt Collins isn't as individually talented as a

1050
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 2: Jayvon Baker or as you know, Jalen Polk or even

1051
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: as a as a Kendrick Bourne or someone like that.

1052
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: He has a role, like he has a purpose on

1053
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: this team. I just don't think that they're gonna shake

1054
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: from because I think the culture stuff is too important.

1055
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: To this and the special team stuff too. No, I'm

1056
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: with you, he's the well with him too, because he

1057
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't participate in the spring. He did less than Diggs.

1058
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: So if we're talking about it and it's different injuries,

1059
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: so I know this isn't like apples to apples, But

1060
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: if we're talking about Digs maybe being on PUP week one,

1061
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: what is that like? I was tempted to put Mac

1062
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Collins on PUP. I kept him. I gave him a

1063
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Week one spot because I don't know it hasn't been

1064
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: reported that he could miss the start of the season.

1065
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: I feel like we would have heard something like that

1066
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: by now. So I have him and Digs on the

1067
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: week one roster ready to go.

1068
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: And I'm also not ruling out or just discarding the

1069
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: fact that he had a really good year with Josh

1070
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: McDaniels in Vegas not too long ago.

1071
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: I did have one guy starting the year on I R.

1072
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: But we can get to that.

1073
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs, Yeah, mccollins, Tamario Douglas, Kyle Williams. Yeah, these

1074
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: last three spots, you could you could talk me into

1075
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: keeping only two of these guys. You could talk me

1076
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Speaker 2: into all three of them. Kendrick Bourne, yep. I have

1077
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Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne on now.

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00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: Yeap.

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Speaker 2: The main reason I have him on now is because

1080
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Speaker 2: of that twenty twenty one season with Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: So it's that, and he was very involved in the spring.

1082
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: He was very involved. It looks like McDaniel still wants

1083
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: to work with him. He did not. We saw some

1084
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: wide receivers who will get to who their usage looked

1085
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: more on the bubble. Kendrick Bourne's usage, now this is

1086
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: without Diggs and without mccollins, so it does come with

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Speaker 1: an asterisk. But dig Bourne's usage was not that of

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00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: a player that's on the bubble.

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Speaker 2: I agree, And he's a pure Z, which is what

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00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs I think will ideally play in this offense

1091
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: long term play little X and but as a pure

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00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: as I guess. My point is is that if Diggs

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00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: isn't one hundred percent healthy, sure. Kendrick Bourne is a

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00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: quote unquote NFL player at that spot, so that allows him.

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00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: He's a pretty he's a pretty good backup if he's

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Speaker 1: your backup.

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Speaker 2: Right Like, I don't think that's the Mario Douglas. It

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00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: could be Kyle Williams.

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Speaker 1: In theory, I think that will Kyle Williams play the X.

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Speaker 2: So do I which worries me a little bit. And

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00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: it's certainly not Matt Collins. MC collis a big slot

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00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: or X receiver, so that's that's not him. I have

1103
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: Kayshawn Bouody on I do too. Rapport with May is

1104
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: important here. Ability to play on the outside is important here. Yep,

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00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: we saw it all spring long. It's just there's really

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Speaker 2: unless it's Digs and Diggs is the full time X,

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00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: which is definitely possible. There just isn't really a like

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00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 2: we saw it so much in the spring and last

1109
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: season of just that's who's on the outside is Kaysehan Boody.

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Speaker 2: He has a clear rapport with Drake May. I think

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00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: that's important. He's one of those guys from last year

1112
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: that did have some productive moments with Drake May quarterback,

1113
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: and then you have to have an outside X. You

1114
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 2: have to have somebody that can play that role, and

1115
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: Kaisehon Boody can do it. So I have Kaishan Bouody on,

1116
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: and then I do have ft Chisholm on as of

1117
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: right now, yep. Same just McDaniel's binkie like it just

1118
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: it just feels like that is just too it's too perfect,

1119
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Like unless he completely falls off a cliff in the

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Speaker 2: training camp when the pads come on and we don't

1121
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: even see him for like the last three weeks of camp.

1122
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: Maybe that's that happens to him. But as of right now,

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Speaker 2: the skill set is just too much of a fit

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00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: for me to write it off. So Stefan Diggs, Matt

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00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Collins to Mario Douglas, Kyle Williams, Kender Born, Kishan Boodyftn

1126
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: Chisholm feels one heavy. I would definitely be on the

1127
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: lookout for a born or a booty trade. I think

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Speaker 2: that that's possible to kind of get this number down

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00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: to six. We didn't say Jalen. I don't get on.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think any of those seven guys are

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00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: getting cut. If you tell me one of them is

1132
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: getting traded, sure, I could see that I don't think

1133
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: any of those seven are getting cut. H You mentioned Jalen.

1134
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: Pole, then didn't say either one of those guys.

1135
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: You just said that, we didn't say them. So I

1136
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk opening on ir me too. He's coming back

1137
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: from that shoulder injury. They now have this new thing

1138
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: where you can place the player on IR ahead. You

1139
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: don't have to keep them on the fifty three ahead

1140
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: of roster cuts, designated him return. You get two such players.

1141
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Now we'll see maybe injuries Mountain camp, but he's working

1142
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: his way back from his shoulder injury. And then you

1143
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 1: kind of see they're not going to carry seven wide

1144
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: receivers for eighteen weeks. But because there's so much uncertainty,

1145
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: it gives you a chance to let things play out

1146
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: and then you see as the season goes on, who

1147
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: the odd man odd man out are and it putting

1148
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: Polk on ir kind of extends the opportunity to do

1149
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: that hundred percent.

1150
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: It extends the window of essentially you're kicking the decision

1151
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: down the road of potentially having to move on from

1152
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: a second round pick early on his rookie contract. You're

1153
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: kicking the decision down the road. You have that ability

1154
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: to that flexibility now that he's still here, if somebody

1155
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: gets hurt, if a roster spot opens up. He's healthy,

1156
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: he's looking good in practice, like all those things are

1157
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: starting to line up for him. You activate him, you

1158
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: put him on the team, and you see what happens.

1159
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: It just makes him more digestible for the whole room

1160
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: to just kind of hold your water a little bit

1161
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: on Jalen Polk right and not have him on the roster.

1162
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: Javon Baker is the other one. It's a tough world

1163
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 2: right now for jayvon Biker.

1164
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: He didn't get a ton of reps in the spring

1165
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: that you want if you're a player competing for ross

1166
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: or spot. We know he struggled with the offense last year.

1167
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: This is more complex. I like, maybe they keep him

1168
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, but I just I don't see

1169
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: the spot for him on this team.

1170
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: Neither do I. Neither do I And I like the talent.

1171
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: I love the pick. I thought it was the right

1172
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: pick at the time to just bet on the upside

1173
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: and bet on the talent. It just hasn't worked so far,

1174
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: at least it hasn't stuck. But just summarize, so this

1175
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: is our room right now. I think we're both in

1176
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: the same boat. Stefan Diggs, Matt Collins to Mario Douglas,

1177
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Kendrick Bourne, Kishan Boudi Eft and Chisholm yep,

1178
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Speaker 2: one of those guys getting traded. That's my prediction. Probably

1179
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: it's it's too many. You can't carry seven receivers.

1180
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: He gets hurt like you never know.

1181
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: So that's your roster projection right now. For the offense,

1182
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: we were pretty pretty close. Yeah, I think you had Conley.

1183
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: I had so I believe it was.

1184
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, I it's so too or there was one

1185
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: one of those I did running back. You kept three. No,

1186
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,479
Speaker 1: I'm two players ahead of you because I kept laris

1187
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: and and Conley. Yes, oh, you kept Venerian Low So

1188
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm one player ahead of you going to the defense.

1189
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: But all right, pretty close, pretty close. You're usually better

1190
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: at this than me. All on that. I'm not very

1191
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: you know, roster projection wise. I I feel like I

1192
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: get I get too attached to my the guys that

1193
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: I like, I us not and that is it. I'd

1194
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: rather be right right like I'm not thinking enough. I

1195
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: don't think enough about what they're gonna do I think

1196
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: about I like this guy the most, so I would

1197
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: keep this guy on the team. And it's not, as

1198
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: everybody knows, I am not the one making the decisions

1199
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: of who's staying on the team.

1200
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: And it's why when we run a team, you'll be

1201
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: the coach. I'll be the GM.

1202
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: All right. So we're going to open it up now

1203
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: to your calls and emails. We have a lot of

1204
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: emails coming in a couple. Congratulations for you, by the way,

1205
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: for your David Andrews podcast.

1206
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean congrats to him for starting, like you know,

1207
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Speaker 1: this next phase. I don't know, what a suck up. No,

1208
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Speaker 1: I'm serious, Like people were congratulating. Yes, I appreciate it,

1209
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: but it's also like, I don't know.

1210
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Speaker 2: It's cool. You're in a press release. That's cool. All right,

1211
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: there we go, But before we get into all your

1212
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: lovely calls and emails. I was wearing mine yesterday, so

1213
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna wear it two days in a row.

1214
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: But Brunton sent us some great stuff in a great

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Speaker 2: quarter zimp that I am definitely going to wear. Like

1216
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Speaker 2: sometimes I'm a little picky with my clothes. I wear

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Speaker 2: the same vineyard vines Polo all summer long, just different colors.

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Speaker 1: And whales to hype up another clothing company during the adage.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't real good job.

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Speaker 2: Well, the point of me bringing it up was that

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Speaker 2: I really liked the clothes that Brunt send me. So

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Speaker 2: based right here in New England, bront Work, where it

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Speaker 2: built for the job site. Their gear is comfortable, durable,

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Speaker 2: and named after the real workers and the trades that

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Speaker 2: help design it. You can even try Brunt on the

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Speaker 2: job and if it doesn't blow you away, they let

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Speaker 2: you send it back. Save ten dollars on your first

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Speaker 2: order at brontworkwear dot com, forward slash pats or with

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Speaker 2: coupon code PATS. I did that last week too with

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Speaker 2: the other furniture company. I remember that and not the

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Speaker 2: furniture company. Attention team. The fourth of July is around

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Speaker 2: the corner and you can stock up on everything you

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Speaker 2: need to host a winning weekend to get together at

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Speaker 2: Store of the New England Patriots. When they update the reads,

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Speaker 2: I really should read them ahead of time.

1244
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: You should lawless execution glowing the salespeople under the bus.

1245
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: I should read them ahead of time because I'm much

1246
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: better at reading it when I've read it ahead of time.

1247
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: When I don't read it ahead of times.

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00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: What you usually want to usually want to read it

1249
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: ahead of time. Any copy you're gonna read on the air,

1250
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: usually try to read ahead of time. Honestly, man, those

1251
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: segues are awesome, great segues.

1252
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. This Alex is being nice to me.

1253
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: This Alex is not being nice to me about my segues.

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just having radio that I was giving

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Speaker 2: praise to another uh, another closed company, another company. I

1256
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: was saying that I'm very picked the front work where

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00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: that's what.

1258
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: I could have said that part. If you had said

1259
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: that part, it would have been a great read. You

1260
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: just went a little too far with it. I went

1261
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: a little little too comfortable with it.

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right. Okay, I'll work on that for

1263
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: next time. Shall we take these phone calls? All right?

1264
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

1265
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 6: Than guys? Can you guys hear me?

1266
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we got you.

1267
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 6: Okay.

1268
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 7: I know I called in yesterday and my phone quality

1269
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 7: welcome the best, so I'm hoping it's better today.

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00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: Sounds good.

1271
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 7: But anyways, my question for you guys is have we

1272
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 7: heard any update on Terrell Williams. I know he has

1273
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 7: had contact with the team, but he hasn't been in

1274
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 7: the facilities in person. Any more update on that. And

1275
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 7: my second question for you guys is what would you

1276
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 7: consider a successful season?

1277
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 6: Is it?

1278
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 7: Ten wins? Eight wins? Seven wins are just a winning record?

1279
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, thanks for the call, Nate, much better

1280
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: phone today. Yesterday was not Nate's best phone performance. Today

1281
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: was much better. Terrell Williams Mike Rabel seemed cautiously optimistic.

1282
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: I guess I would say at the end of Mini

1283
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: caampt Terrell Williams will be here soon and we'll be

1284
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: ready to coach for training camp. But it's something that

1285
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: just in terms of attendance. Unfortunately, given the heal the

1286
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: situation that it's a health situation, he is now on

1287
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: the list of attendance, so we have to check on

1288
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: July twenty third of whether or not he is here.

1289
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: But I would say cautiously optimistic that he will be

1290
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: out there based off of what Rabel said.

1291
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard. That was the last update we've gotten.

1292
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, in terms of our expectations for the season,

1293
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 2: that's one that I've struggled with a little bit because

1294
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: I want to I said at the beginning of the

1295
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 2: last show, I want to be all in on this team.

1296
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: I think they have a lot, a lot more talent.

1297
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: I think they have significantly better coaching, and I'm optimistic,

1298
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: but what they have in front of them, I'm just

1299
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: gonna have to see some of it to believe some

1300
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: of it. In terms of predicting them to be in

1301
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: playoff contention or double digit wins, I'm probably right now

1302
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: at like an eight and nine season.

1303
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: So for me, it's just I don't know that I

1304
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: can give you a number. I think it's more and

1305
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: I've laid out in the past, Evan my life timeline

1306
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: for a rebuild and a rookie quarterback contract be in

1307
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: the mix for playoff spot. Week eighteen should matter if

1308
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: they ultimately don't get in, but they're playing meaningful football

1309
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: in Week eighteen, and like there's other things within this.

1310
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: Obviously you want to see Drake may take a step forward,

1311
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: things like that. But I think all things considered, if

1312
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: Week eighteen is a meaningful game for them and not

1313
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: in the way it was last year, like a real

1314
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: playoff implication meaningful game for them, I would say they

1315
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: had a That's the baseline for me, Like, okay, I

1316
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: think they had the kind of season they needed to have,

1317
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: and then next year the expectation would be not only

1318
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: that they make the playoffs that they are, you know,

1319
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Week eighteen is at least relevant for the division that

1320
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: they're competing for, the division down to the end.

1321
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. Then, Yeah, you said

1322
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: week eighteen not in the way of last year.

1323
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: Right, that was kind of just tongue in cheap, I know, Yeah.

1324
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: Two Week eighteen was technically they were a lot in

1325
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: Week eighteen it is a game in Buffalo. It was

1326
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: the Naheim Heines two touchdown return game.

1327
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: Does the game after uh Hamlin, right, Yeah, yeah, I.

1328
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: Think I think it might have been the first home

1329
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: game after that for the Bills. Technically speaking, I believe

1330
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: if they had won that game in twenty twenty two,

1331
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: they were gonna go to.

1332
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: The b help. I think they needed help. They'd to

1333
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: win in something else that to happen.

1334
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 2: But is that Is that meaningful enough if it's something

1335
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: like that, because that team, to me, was already on

1336
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: the downward and you could tell that they were going

1337
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. So a lot of it is

1338
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: what it looks like.

1339
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: So kind of I guess that's a fair question. Look,

1340
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: they started six and four and then went five and

1341
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: two down the stretch, and so this was two and five. Yeah,

1342
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: So this is something i'd go to with that, the

1343
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: operational stuff, like, I just want to see signs that

1344
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: they've taken progress going back to the end of Bill.

1345
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: They've not been good in November in December now, So look,

1346
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: if it's something like that, here here's where again, it's like,

1347
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: so I can't it's tough to give a straight answer,

1348
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: and I know this is classic me. But like, did

1349
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: they go six and four and then two and five

1350
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: and they're, you know, attempting to back in with the win.

1351
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: What if they start two and five and then go

1352
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: six and four and maybe they lose the last week

1353
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: and that's why they don't get in, but they won

1354
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: six of their last ten games.

1355
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: That to me would be okay, it's different, right, Like

1356
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, And we'd all depends how say,

1357
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: because that Week eighteen game could be meaningful, like it

1358
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: wasn't twenty twenty two, but it wasn't really like you

1359
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: knew that team was not very good.

1360
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: You could feel they also okay. But here's here's the thing.

1361
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: If they hadn't overachieved in twenty one, if they had

1362
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: won four games in twenty one and then had that season,

1363
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: we would look at that a lot differently. It's because

1364
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: they regressed. I find it really hard to believe that

1365
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: this team is going to show regression. And if they do,

1366
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: they're not flirting with the playoff spot. We'll know by Halloween,

1367
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: yea that they're not in the playoffs. So like, yeah,

1368
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: it's a fair point. So I'll tell you these two things.

1369
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: Be in the mix or playoff spot in week eighteen,

1370
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: and be better at the end of the season than

1371
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: they are at the beginning of it. I like, if

1372
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: they do those two things and Drake may show some

1373
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: sign of progression within the team showing progression, it's a

1374
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: successful season.

1375
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 5: To me.

1376
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: We are and we got an email about this. We

1377
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: are in the minority in a lot of ways with

1378
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: our feelings on the team. Like there's some people that

1379
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: think that were too low on the team.

1380
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: I had them at ten wins on the schedule release day,

1381
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: but that well, I said they should win ten games.

1382
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they will. I said they should win ten.

1383
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: But you're that whole take that I agree with about

1384
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: what would deem a successful season To a lot of people,

1385
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: that would not be a successful season. We're talking about.

1386
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: I think, well, eight nine wins and yeah it's pointing upwards,

1387
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: but there's still not a playoff team, and that a

1388
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: lot of people would be disappointed with that. I think

1389
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: that's great growth. I think that's over at least double,

1390
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: if not over double, the wins that they had last year.

1391
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: It's arrow by the way.

1392
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Nine wins might get you in the playoffs in this

1393
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: AFC the conference sucks.

1394
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: It's good at the top, it sucks in the middle sucks.

1395
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: And they don't. They'll like what three good teams at

1396
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: the top? Yeah, I guess they played the Bills twice,

1397
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: so that doesn't help them.

1398
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: But oh the Bills are a good team though relative to.

1399
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: The conference where it stands right now. Yeah, they're a

1400
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: little better in the Cleveland Browns.

1401
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's take Patty in aguon. What's up? Patty?

1402
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 5: What's up?

1403
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 8: Guys. I'll go over a few things. First thing, getting

1404
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 8: into the wins. I'd be happy with anything over seven

1405
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 8: to wins, seven wins or more, just as long as

1406
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 8: they don't start out seven and zero and end up

1407
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 8: the season seven and ten. I just want to see growth,

1408
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 8: and especially growth from Drake May. Like I said on

1409
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 8: a previous show, I don't think he's I don't think

1410
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 8: this is good is going to be his breakout year.

1411
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 8: But I do think he's going to improve, and as

1412
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 8: long as they steadily improved, I'll be happy with that.

1413
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 8: My second thing I want to get into I know

1414
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 8: it's way too early, but I'm giving you my Super

1415
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 8: Bowl picks this year. I'm picking the Ravens to go

1416
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 8: up against the Rams and I am taken in an

1417
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 8: all time classic your guy he's my guy too for

1418
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 8: a little bit too, but lamar super Bowl MVP. And

1419
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 8: the last thing I want to cover is I know

1420
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 8: there's only one Saturday training camp that's open to the public,

1421
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 8: and I'm looking to attendant. And if it's possible, I

1422
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 8: know you guys are going to be busy watching this,

1423
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 8: watching the practices, and you're gonna have to do your

1424
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 8: writing and probably get on video afterwards. But if I

1425
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 8: do end up going, I would like to say pop

1426
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 8: in and just say what's up to you guys, if

1427
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 8: that's possible. If not, no big deal, you know.

1428
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: But absolutely is it possible. So what my recommendation. I

1429
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't tell everybody the secret of how to

1430
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: crash the media attempt, but.

1431
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,959
Speaker 1: Yeah I wouldn't, so I simply would.

1432
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: My recommendation would be, uh, if you're going to do that,

1433
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: I would say before practice is probably the move. I

1434
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: think after practice we we do get pretty busy, but

1435
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: before practice we could definitely say quick hello for sure.

1436
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you come over by the media time there,

1437
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: that's usually yeah.

1438
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep that call in like

1439
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: the week before to remind us Yeah, absolutely, pass.

1440
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 8: Well, I promise do you know what will guys? I

1441
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 8: call it it almost every week.

1442
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 5: It's been.

1443
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 8: It's been a little bit crazy. That's why I've been

1444
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 8: calling it in a couple of weeks. But uh, you know,

1445
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 8: working family life gets you after a certain point. As Evan,

1446
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 8: you're you know you're gonna soon find out alex stays

1447
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 8: single as long as you can.

1448
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: But that's all tell him that next week, speaking of

1449
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: that super Bowl projection, we do have a little NFL

1450
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: breaking news, very bold and this kind of goes this

1451
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: kind of goes to my point about the AFC kind

1452
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: of sucking and the haves and the have nots. Jay

1453
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: R Alexander has signed with the Baltimore Ravens.

1454
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: Patty got some reinforcements for you.

1455
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 1: How about that? That's a good move for I. Lamar

1456
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: is gonna get his and you know I was not

1457
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: a Lamar guy at the beginning. My hot take was

1458
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were very similar players

1459
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: that did kind of in terms of their ability. That

1460
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: take bode well, not the way I meant it to,

1461
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: but it boded well.

1462
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: You were saying that because you thought they were bad.

1463
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: I thought yes.

1464
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: And now they both have m vps.

1465
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: Well one has two real MVPs and one has a

1466
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: fraudulent MVP that should have been the other's third. But

1467
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: I digress.

1468
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: The Ravens always has to be a backhanding car.

1469
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: Are the Ravens? That's not remotely a compliment. It was

1470
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: a fraud MVP. Man, Lamar Jackson's going to be a Marino.

1471
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: He's just going to be a career Dan Marino. Are

1472
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: the Ravens the best team in the AFC?

1473
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 2: They should be?

1474
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they might have been before they signed

1475
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: to Youer Alexander. I'm not like. I don't think I'm

1476
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: being a prisoner of the moment here. But that's a

1477
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: great addition for them.

1478
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 2: Lamar I Lamar and Josh Allen. I've loved both of them,

1479
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: love watching both of them. I would say Lamar is

1480
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: probably my favorite quarterback in the NFL currently that isn't

1481
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 2: playing for the Patriots. That that would be where I'm

1482
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: at with Lamar. I just pulled up his playoff box

1483
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: scores and look box scorse gotting stinks. I hate I

1484
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: of all people should not be doing this, but to

1485
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: pick the Ravens to win the Super Bowl, he's gonna

1486
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: have to play better than he thought.

1487
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: So I always thought a lot of that was just

1488
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: because he runs so much. He was hurt at the

1489
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: end of the year and he wasn't himself. But they

1490
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: added Derrick Henry last year and that should have made

1491
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah, was he better in the playoff game

1492
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: last year? I don't remember he was better.

1493
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 2: He was bad, and then he turned it on and

1494
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: got them back in the game. He threw a really

1495
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 2: bad pick against Buffalo with just a bad pick. He

1496
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: also fumbled against Buffalo as well, so he had two

1497
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 2: turnovers against the Bills. I think they were both in

1498
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: the first half if I remember correctly. And then he

1499
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: was literally a Mark Andrews drop two points right away

1500
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 2: from having that game in overtime. So let's call for

1501
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: what it is. In the second half of the game,

1502
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: he put Baltimore on his back and got them back

1503
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: in the game.

1504
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes has just taken advantage of Allen and Jackson just

1505
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: choking and puking all over themselves in every shot. And

1506
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: in this kid Joe Burrow a load up again.

1507
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: Buffalo and Baltimore played in the divisional round, which that's

1508
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: a heavyweight divisional round matchup. You know, they could have

1509
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: had seating gone a different way, but he was just

1510
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: from the box score, he was sixteen for twenty one

1511
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: for one to seventy five and two touchdowns against Pittsburgh

1512
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: in that win, he did rush for eighty one yard.

1513
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Pittsburgh wind really felt like them being like,

1514
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: we know we're the better team, but the Patriots played

1515
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: these games. Let's get in, get out, don't get hurt,

1516
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: No need to get flashy.

1517
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: One seventy five inc great, you know, eight point three

1518
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,959
Speaker 2: yards per tempt. So you know, it wasn't It was efficient,

1519
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: but it wasn't. It wasn't a high volume game for Lamar.

1520
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: And then in the Buffalo playoff game he was eighteen

1521
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: for twenty five for two fifty four, two touchdowns, one pick.

1522
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: He only ran it six times six for thirty nine yards,

1523
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: and then he had the probable lost as well. So

1524
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: I want Lamar to win to a super Bowl, maybe

1525
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: more than any quarterback that's not named Drake May in

1526
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: the NFL. I'd love to see it, but he's gonna

1527
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: have to be a little bit better that and I

1528
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: hate that, like I hate that narrative. I hate all

1529
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: of that. But that's just the in his case, it's

1530
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 2: probably an accurate conversation.

1531
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: I just it. It's it's wide opening again. I mean,

1532
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are the Chiefs. You can't rule them out,

1533
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: but they've lost talent. The Ravens and Bills continue to

1534
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: choke and puke all over themselves in big moments. The

1535
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: Texans took a step back last year and we're CJ

1536
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: strad at and he's now got this with's his shoulder

1537
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: issue right, that's limited him throwing in camp. Who's next?

1538
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: Is it the Steelers?

1539
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 6: No?

1540
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: Is it the Dolphins?

1541
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 6: No?

1542
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the second place team. Is that

1543
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: the Chargers at the Broncos. I don't think so. The

1544
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Chargers on paper should be, but they won't.

1545
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: So the other question that I and we're kind of

1546
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: talked about the Sun Pew and Patty kind of jogged

1547
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: my brain about it.

1548
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't even think there's a take there beyond just

1549
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: like it's not a good but with.

1550
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: Drake May and our expectations for Drake May, just talking

1551
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 2: about his entire career now, Yes, as a whole you can't. Obviously,

1552
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: you can't use Brady like Brady as being the bar

1553
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: is a bar that will never be reached again. It's

1554
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 2: it's unfair to everybody. We're taken. We have to have

1555
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 2: a different bar for what is deemed a good career,

1556
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: What is deemed that he's you know, he passes because

1557
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of still and I understand it.

1558
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: You know, won one game last year. There's still there's

1559
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there that still aren't ready

1560
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: to anoint him like the franchise quarterback, you know, the guy. Yeah,

1561
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: but what is what's our bar for him being the guy?

1562
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: Because for other teams that don't have a Tom Brady

1563
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: in their history, the bar for being the guy is

1564
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 2: very different than what we know it is around here.

1565
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 2: So you ring up the Chargers, Justin Herbert is the guy.

1566
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Justin Herbert's a great talent and

1567
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: a great quarterback.

1568
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: You know, not seeing those like Burner Twitter accounts saying

1569
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: like per sources that definitely don't exist. There's gonna be

1570
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: like a Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes thing with Justin Herbert

1571
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: and Trey Lance. No, if anybody's gonna do that. It

1572
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: is hard.

1573
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: So Justin Herbert is the undisputed quote unquote guy in LA.

1574
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: He has not won a playoff game yet. He's owing

1575
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: to in the playoffs and what I want to say,

1576
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 2: two playoff appearances in five years, he's owing to in

1577
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: two playoff games. He's never won a playoff game. Do

1578
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: any of us sit here in question whether or not

1579
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's great? No, but that's if that's the bar,

1580
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: he's not really passing it, right. I'll give you another

1581
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: one that I kind of thought of in the Drake

1582
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 2: mayprism just because of the raw talent, Like Trevor Lawrence

1583
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: is another one to me, tons of raw talent, tons

1584
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: of ability, but has either not sniffed the playoffs or

1585
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: had really hasn't had much success in the playoffs. I

1586
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: think you had that one playoff win that was over Herbert, right,

1587
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: the big comeback, that was a couple of years ago.

1588
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: So I guess the point that I'm trying to make

1589
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: with Drake May is like Justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence are

1590
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: the guy undisputed. You had to pay those guys and

1591
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: in like two or three years from now, if Drake

1592
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 2: May's career trajectory follows a similar trajectory as those players.

1593
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a sixty million dollar year quarterback, yep.

1594
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: And I don't think you can second guess that, like

1595
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: you have to give him that contract, right, like yes.

1596
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: So that's the world we live in now with these quarterbacks,

1597
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: where that bar of like it's really it's black or white.

1598
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 2: It's either yes you are or no you're not, and

1599
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,879
Speaker 2: there's no in between. There's no more like middling quarterback contract.

1600
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: It sort of came back a little bit like this

1601
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold deal in Seattle's like kind of intriguing for that,

1602
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 2: but for the most part, you're talking about you're either

1603
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: playing this guy fifty million plus or you're not paying

1604
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: him and you're back in the carousel. And I just

1605
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 2: wonder where the Patriots will fall with Drake May if

1606
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: it's similar to some of these other guys, If we're

1607
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: being realistic about where they're going, and he's not going

1608
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: all of a sudden turned into like Mahomes or Jalen Hurts,

1609
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: who's in the super Bowl every other year, You're gonna

1610
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: have a very expensive quarterback that I think a lot

1611
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 2: of people, especially people on like your station will be

1612
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: like it isn't worth it.

1613
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: You just hope that they can put the ross around him.

1614
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,879
Speaker 2: It's just an interesting conversation because our brains are obviously

1615
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: we had Brady. Brady also was very team friendly with

1616
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: the contracts that he took. The way the quarterback market

1617
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 2: is going. Now, do you think that Trevor Lawrence should

1618
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 2: be making fifty million a year?

1619
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: You know, my view on these contracts, it's it's all

1620
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: kind of fugazi, it really is. Because when's the last

1621
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: time Evan, a player at any position, but especially quarterback,

1622
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: got a contract and people were like, yeah, you know,

1623
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but they're probably playing paying him

1624
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: a little too much money. When's the last time that

1625
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: happened in the NFL? I know, it just happened with

1626
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: the Red Sox.

1627
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, some people might think that that's the case with

1628
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: these guys though, like is Trevor is Trevor Lawrence worth?

1629
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: But when you look at the alternative, like he's a

1630
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: good quarterback.

1631
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right? And Kyler Murray the other one, Okay, but

1632
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: like quarterback.

1633
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: Two or three years after signing the nobody's saying Kyler

1634
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: Murray's overpaid and the cardinal should have signed him. Nobody's

1635
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: saying that, And that's coming for me, who's not a

1636
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: big Kyler Murray guy like Mahomes. When the Mahomes contract

1637
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: came out, it was, oh my god, this is gonna

1638
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: change sports. This is generational, this is legendary. What is

1639
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: two years later and he's the Is he even a

1640
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: top ten.

1641
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 2: Highest paid He signed a Brady contract if we're being honest,

1642
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: like he signed him.

1643
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: No, he was one of the highest page.

1644
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was it was always below the number

1645
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: that if you projected it out of way, the market

1646
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 2: was going.

1647
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson wins back to back MVPs, gets that big contract,

1648
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is he really worth that much money? Now,

1649
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's making more than him. Look, it's not my money,

1650
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: so I get it. But also, like all of these contracts,

1651
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: the way the cap goes up, with the TV deals

1652
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: and all that, none of them really end up being

1653
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: the albatross we all think they're gonna be in the moment. Now,

1654
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to renegotiate it and players get upset,

1655
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: and that's part of it. But again, the alternative is

1656
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: not having the player. So if the players good, usually

1657
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: it ends up being a good contract. I don't remember

1658
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: the last time the NFL a good players signed a

1659
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: bad contract. There are players we thought we were gonna

1660
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: be good, that we thought were gonna be good that

1661
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: weren't in the contract becomes bad, but that's because the

1662
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: player isn't performing. With how flexible the NFL salary cap is,

1663
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: both in terms of how can maneuver it and how

1664
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: much changes year to year, it's really really hard in

1665
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: this league, specifically to have a good player on a

1666
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: bad contract, especially at that position, when you consider the alternative.

1667
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 2: I just keep looking at all these quarterback contracts and look,

1668
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: we're only in year two of Drake may where a

1669
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: couple of years away from this being not a problem.

1670
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: But how many are truly bad? How many do you

1671
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: look at and look, you could look at the Daniel

1672
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: Jones contract and say that was a bad contract, he

1673
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: was a bad quarterback. How many do you truly look

1674
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: at and say, he is a good quarterback, but they

1675
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: would have been better off not paying him. Is there

1676
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: any of those contracts that you can confidently say that

1677
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: about Rock Party? But is brock Purty good quarterback's fine?

1678
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: Is brock Purty a starting caliber quarterback. Yeah, okay. So

1679
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: there's one example, and that's your boy, Kyle Shanahan. So

1680
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: your guy, your genius, signed the worst quarterback contract in

1681
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: the league. Well, there's a reason I'm saying loudly to

1682
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: make surebody hears this. Your football genius signed the worst

1683
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: contract in the league. Is that what you're telling me.

1684
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the worst contract in the league.

1685
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's the one bad quarterback contract according to you,

1686
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: and that's the most important position. This is my point. Like,

1687
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: and I will leave room in this. I will leave

1688
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: room in this for injuries, like I if a guy

1689
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot, that's another conversation. But again, to

1690
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: find a good quarterback that's on a bad contract and

1691
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: not well, I think he sucks and they should have

1692
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: sign him. So then you think he's a bad quarterback.

1693
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: A quarterback that you think is good that is on

1694
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: a bad contract, it's hard to find that.

1695
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: It is hard to find. I'll pull it up and

1696
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: we'll take the next call and maybe we can figure

1697
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: it out. All right, Jeff is in LA. What's up? Jeff?

1698
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 6: Hey, Ivan, Alex, thanks for tating to call. Two questions

1699
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 6: I had for you. With the reported hirings of the

1700
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 6: expansion of the team's analytics department, what are some tangible

1701
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 6: benefits or benefits that you expect to see in the

1702
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 6: next few years to bring the team more online with

1703
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 6: other franchises. And secondly, in an effort to help injury

1704
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 6: situations due to an expanded schedule and like the lack

1705
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 6: of player development that we see across the league, was

1706
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 6: wondering what you thought about this rule change suggestion. All

1707
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 6: fifty three players on the active roster on game day

1708
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 6: are active, but to create parody, the amount of elevation

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 6: from the practice squad each week correspond to the number

1710
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 6: of players who are ruled out due to injury. Thanks

1711
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 6: for great content, guys, and thanks very much for partic Nicole.

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff. That's an interesting proposal, because the reason why

1713
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: they have the way it is with the forty six

1714
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: or forty seven guys and then the inactives is so

1715
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: that you don't have to have an injured player active,

1716
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: right Like, if the guy's injured, you can just put

1717
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: him on an active So he's saying that would then

1718
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: free up an elevation from the practice squad, so that.

1719
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're gonna have a lot of teams getting

1720
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: weird with injuries on a week to week basis. I

1721
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: just think making all fifty three active makes sense. Yeah,

1722
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: Like you could just leave it at that and then

1723
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: you still have the two practice squad elevations, right, So

1724
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: I get the issue that in the past, before all

1725
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: this practice squad menuitia came into play, was that then

1726
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: you could, in theory, have a team that has like

1727
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: fifty one healthy players going up against a team that

1728
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: has fifty three healthy players. Right, So now when you

1729
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: with the inactives, you in theory will get everybody down

1730
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 1: to the same number of healthy players. I think between

1731
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: fifty five players it should be close enough.

1732
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. Now to the first question.

1733
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 2: It's a really good question about the analytics department, A

1734
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: classic catch twenty two question, because I know, uh, I

1735
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: don't know how exactly you feel about them expanding their

1736
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 2: analytics department. So just on the on the surface, like

1737
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: I you know, first and foremost, you know, where do

1738
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: you stand on this? Because you know I love it,

1739
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 2: So where do you stand on it?

1740
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: I look, analytics is this wide umbrella, right, And I

1741
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: think you often assume that I hate all of it.

1742
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: And that's because you only talk about the one thing

1743
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: when it's like a.

1744
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Really tangible numbers. I am okay with the tangible numbers,

1745
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: and that can mean multiple things. That can mean statistics,

1746
01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 1: but also like when it comes to player evaluation, player

1747
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: tracking data, miles per hour, that sort of thing. Right,

1748
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm in on that, and they haven't used a ton

1749
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: of that, and I'm all for using more of that.

1750
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: That I'm good with when it comes to like injuries

1751
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, I'm good with. What I

1752
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: don't want is well, the expected EPA DVOA on this

1753
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: play tells us we should make this decision. So turn

1754
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,440
Speaker 1: off your brain and make the decision, because the spreadsheet

1755
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: says So that's what I don't want. And based on

1756
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: what Rabel said last week about analytics, he doesn't want

1757
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: it either. I think, I you know, do I love

1758
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: that they're going more to the maths side, know, because

1759
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: that's just how I feel about sports. Do I think

1760
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: Rabel is going to keep it where it belongs and

1761
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 1: not allow it to spill into areas that it doesn't.

1762
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: Yes. He basically said that you want the football jock

1763
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 2: to bury the nerd in the locker every once in

1764
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 2: a while when he needs to be to.

1765
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: Make sure everybody knows their place. That's what you want,

1766
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: and he said. Rabel's asked, are.

1767
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: You're the ghost behind your computer and let the football guys?

1768
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: Rabels asked, are the analytics guy is going to be

1769
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: in your ear when it comes to making you know,

1770
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: should we go for this on fourth down? And Rabel said, no,

1771
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: that'll be me in stretch talking about the analytics and

1772
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: make sure he said that, you know, we'll talk to

1773
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: those guys during the week and we'll see what they have,

1774
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be him in stretch making a football

1775
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: decision in that moment. The analytics might help inform it,

1776
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: but they are not going to make the decision.

1777
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: Fine, So we talk about this all the time on

1778
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: and off the air, and we talk about it a

1779
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: lot with the Celtics too, because in the Red Sox,

1780
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 2: but Celtics really.

1781
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: The Red Sox are on a whole other level with

1782
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: us as we're learning.

1783
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: But I I know how to put words in your mouth,

1784
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 2: but I my general feel on your take on this

1785
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: is that you don't want them impacting play style like

1786
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: you don't like the Celtics Your issue with them is

1787
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: that the nerds say to shoot three, so they shoot

1788
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: a bunch of three.

1789
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't want it being the lead driver of dictating

1790
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: play style and get in game decision making. If you

1791
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: want to use it as a guide and have it

1792
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: be one of multiple things you're looking at to inform you, fine,

1793
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: it should not be the be all, end all.

1794
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: You don't want the Patriots head coach and this is

1795
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 2: different but similar. You don't want the Patriots head coach

1796
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 2: at the owners Meeting saying the most important stat is

1797
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: past EPA right, which is what Ben Johnson said in

1798
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 2: the Owners Meeting.

1799
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: The most important status points. So however you get them,

1800
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't care if it looks pretty or not. And

1801
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: however you keep them off the board, I don't care

1802
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: if it looks pretty or not.

1803
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not too concerned about the Patriots

1804
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: using for lack of using like public data that like

1805
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: EPA or no love Aaron Schatz mean it DVA. Yeah,

1806
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about them using those metrics because the

1807
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 2: people that they've hired in the way that I think

1808
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 2: they're heading is that they want to create their own metrics.

1809
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: They want it, So it's not necessarily going to be EPA,

1810
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: d VA or whatever. But I think the main thing

1811
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: that they're trying to do, and this is just a hunch,

1812
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: is side information just a hunch. The main thing that

1813
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: most teams try to do now is they use this

1814
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: in personnel to place value on players, not necessarily to say, oh,

1815
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 2: when we're in this first you know formation, with this

1816
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: personnel grouping, you know, twelve personnel against base defense, we're

1817
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: averaging you know, our EPA is plus two point five

1818
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: per play, So we should try to do that more, right, Like,

1819
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's where football in general is headed.

1820
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1821
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,839
Speaker 2: I think where they are headed though, is free agency.

1822
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 2: How do we and the Patriot like Bill did this?

1823
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: So this isn't new So okay, so you're walking a

1824
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: fine line here because what we just went through with

1825
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 1: the Red Sox is the grandiose version of each player

1826
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: is worth an exact dollar amount. We're going to measure

1827
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: that dollar amount against the contract. And this goes back

1828
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about with the quarterbacks. I

1829
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: don't want to go too far in the baseball discussion,

1830
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: but like, if our metric tells us that this is

1831
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: a two hundred and ninety eight million dollar player, and

1832
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: we would have to pay him three hundred million. We

1833
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: do not want that player, and that, to me is

1834
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: a dangerous road to go down, because you do have

1835
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: to overpay elite players at times, whether the math tells

1836
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: you to or not. That's how you get good players

1837
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: in the building. I'm not saying the Patriots are going

1838
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: to do that. I think Rabel's smart enough not to.

1839
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: But what you're describing is what has become super charged

1840
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 1: and run a muck through baseball.

1841
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: Sure, So I think there's a big element of that

1842
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: in terms of player evaluation. So I whether that's value,

1843
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: whether that's player tracking, whether that's you know, any sort

1844
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: of advanced scouting, type of stuffy and analytical scouting. Like,

1845
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 2: there's the personnel side of this, I think is going

1846
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: to be a main driver of what they're going to

1847
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 2: be doing.

1848
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 5: I like it.

1849
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: For player this is going to I'm probably splitting heres here,

1850
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: hairs here. If they're a user for a player of

1851
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: value evaluation, fine, for player valuation, now, I think you're

1852
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: going down a slopery slope.

1853
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think that there's going to do a

1854
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: lot of that with personnel. Now, I do think that

1855
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 2: there is a lot of data, and this data usually

1856
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: they they have a present to packet to a coach,

1857
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: the head coach and the coaching staff every week of

1858
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: analytical data about the opponent, scouting the opponent, and for

1859
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: all thirty two. It's up to the coaching staff how

1860
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: much you look at it and how much you done

1861
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: what tendencies?

1862
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 1: So like that's not even doing that for years.

1863
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: Sure, but I think this is yes, but more modernized, right,

1864
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: so we're not necessarily just talking about splitting grouping. How

1865
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 2: often are they an eleven or twelve?

1866
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: And you can get is expected with tendencies.

1867
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's about expected. Uh No, I would say,

1868
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 2: you know, there's things like heat maps are becoming popular.

1869
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: Where does the quarterback funnel?

1870
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: The floor? That's tangible, date, that's tangible.

1871
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: That's fine, right, So like this, yeah, to inbreakers in

1872
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, and this is you could

1873
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 2: watch the film and come to that conclusion, but you

1874
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 2: could also see it in like the hot spots on

1875
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 2: a heat map.

1876
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: Well, so I would hope they do both because there's

1877
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: things that the heat map is not going to show

1878
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: you that the film is going to show you, right,

1879
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: how is he it does when he you know, moves

1880
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: in the pocket, where's his arm slot? When he throws

1881
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: to certain places? What routes? You know, you catch a

1882
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: ball in between the hashes four yards down field from

1883
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, there's what four or five different

1884
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: routes that could get you to that spot, and he

1885
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: might throw those different routes differently depending on the coverage.

1886
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: So it's your point, like how much how little? I

1887
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: don't think Rabel's gonna look at that packet as a bible.

1888
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Might use it, but I don't think he's gonna look

1889
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: at it as the be all end all, which is fine,

1890
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Like it's a tool, it just shouldn't be the tool.

1891
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you how you feel about this.

1892
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 3: What if.

1893
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: There is a cornerback, Yeah, and the data is able

1894
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 2: to extrapulate how that cornerback fares on every route when

1895
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: he's targeted, go route, post crosser, corner, drag, incut, yeah,

1896
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: all of it. And the data is just like heavily

1897
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: telling you that this cornerback is burnt toast when you

1898
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: throw a go ball over his head.

1899
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: So, I you know, how's that there's still more information there.

1900
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: How who's tracking that? How's it being tracked? Is he

1901
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: toast because they're shading safety help and maybe you know

1902
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: they have a good safety and okay, well he's getting burnt,

1903
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: but if they're gonna put the safety back, we don't

1904
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: want to worry about it.

1905
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Or is it?

1906
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: Because is it? Is the data skewed because in this

1907
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: one game he was struggling this one receiver or this

1908
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: type of receiver that maybe we don't have, Like again, okay,

1909
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: you show me that I'm not gonna use so here,

1910
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I guess here's where I'm at. So if I were

1911
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: the coach and I were showing that right, the right

1912
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: answer is not Okay, let's throw a million go balls

1913
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: at this guy. It's get me the cutups of all

1914
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: the go balls. Let's see why this is happening. And

1915
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: do we have the assets on our roster to be

1916
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of this? Yes or no? Because

1917
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: if you have it, I think that's exactly okay. But

1918
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: I think there are some people and maybe they're not

1919
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: really the coaches, but I think there's some people who

1920
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Speaker 1: look at it, analytics who look at that and don't

1921
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: go to that second step and say this guy sucks

1922
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: against the go ball bombs away and that's not the

1923
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: process and that never will be the process, and map

1924
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: can never fill in that grind, that that that groundwork

1925
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: in the middle.

1926
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 2: That to me is analytics at its best, is exactly

1927
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 2: how you just.

1928
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Do you think everybody uses it at its best? No,

1929
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: the answer is no, and that's my problem.

1930
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Speaker 2: No, but I would say football is still holding out

1931
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Speaker 2: the best in football?

1932
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: Do you think everybody uses it at the best for football?

1933
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, I against major everything that Vrabel

1934
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: said last week, I was actually relatively encouraged by when

1935
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: he was talking about analytics, which was we're gonna basically

1936
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,480
Speaker 1: summed up it. I don't you know, maybe I'm misinterpreting,

1937
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: but my interpretation was we wanted to have more of

1938
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: it as a tool. But at the end of the day,

1939
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: it's me and Stretch and we're making football decisions good

1940
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: in terms of like going for it and right, yeah,

1941
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: and I will. I think you can extrapolate that too.

1942
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I remember that thing a couple of years ago, where

1943
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: like the Browns was, it was the coach before Stefanski,

1944
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: like the the game plan had to be turned in

1945
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: every Friday, so the analytics department could approve it.

1946
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: Do you remember that sounds like a Browns thing like

1947
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: that is wrong? Now, I think what what dared?

1948
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Patriots would ever do that.

1949
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: I think what you're hoping for in a dream world

1950
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: is that the analytics department find some anomalies within the

1951
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: data of this team's bad at defending this. They run

1952
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: a lot of that, you know, that kind of stuff,

1953
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: and then the coaches then take that and say and

1954
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: put content behind it, like is this real? To your

1955
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 2: point about Goballs, is that corner. We're four weeks into

1956
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: the season and he's bad against Goballs, but he faced

1957
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase aj Brown Tyreek kill, right, So then we're

1958
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 2: throwing that out that's not real.

1959
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: That's I just think there's some analytics people. I don't

1960
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: know that these are the people working for the team,

1961
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: but just the people in the football community that you

1962
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: talk to that get really upset when their information is

1963
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: not used and they don't like the context being added

1964
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: because they think it's devaluing the value of analytics.

1965
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think that you're you should be too

1966
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 2: worried about the game to game stuff. If you're gonna

1967
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: be worried for you. I'm not worried about any of it,

1968
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: but if you're gonna be worried, it's the personnel side

1969
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: of it.

1970
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: So I'm worried and I'm encouraged. Like the player tracking

1971
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: stuff great, Like I wouldn't hate if they did more

1972
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 1: that don't go as far as the rams and like

1973
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: not bother to interview the players because I think the

1974
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: person matters to and what happens between them some draft

1975
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: matters rorbly, So I mean it's gonna catch up to

1976
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: them eventually.

1977
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 3: You got it.

1978
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: Well, But they meet with the players later, right or

1979
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: do they just not do meeting at all?

1980
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 2: They don't do meetings.

1981
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: See, that's going to catch up eventually. They've gotten lucky,

1982
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: that's going to catch up to them. They do homework, like,

1983
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: don't get they know all about the player? Yeah, I

1984
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: think you got to sit down a room with somebody

1985
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: to get to know him.

1986
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 2: That don't mean they know like I mean like if

1987
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 2: they was a major off the field, right, they're talking.

1988
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: To coaches and things like that. But also just I

1989
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: think that will catch up to them eventually. I think

1990
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: it's an anomaly that that hasn't burned them yet. But

1991
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: like the player tracking stuff, fine again, evaluation, sure, valuation

1992
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: is where you lose me.

1993
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 2: I think that it's really important for this team. I'm not.

1994
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm not really. I don't think it's really important from

1995
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 2: a game plan perspective, like an in season perspective. Let

1996
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 2: the football coaches be football coaches. Like they can see

1997
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 2: that the guy's bat at the goball because they're watching

1998
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 2: the all twenty two. They don't need they don't need

1999
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: a nerd to tell I.

2000
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Don't want this to replace what was it? Orlando pace?

2001
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: Like they figured out this was an old bill thing

2002
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: that like when he was in a two point stance,

2003
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: it was a pass, and he's in a three point stance,

2004
01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: it was a run like ninety nine percent of the time, right, Like,

2005
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: definitely watching the tape, figure that out. When this wide

2006
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: receiver's left foot first, he's running this route. When he's

2007
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: right for first, he's running that route.

2008
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 2: You can find all that out. Like, I have full

2009
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 2: faith in this coach.

2010
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: He's that. I don't consider analytics at all. No, that's

2011
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: just grinding tape. That's coaching.

2012
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: I have full faith in this coaching staff to go

2013
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: game plan, you know an opponent, like, I'm not worried

2014
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 2: about using Matt there the personnel side of things to

2015
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 2: me that they've been pretty behind the times with two things.

2016
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 2: One the in game player tracking data, you know, the

2017
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: chip in the pads, Like I didn't like a couple

2018
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 2: of years ago when I heard I'm not gonna name names,

2019
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 2: when I heard certain people in the front office talking

2020
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: about putting stock in the forty yard dash, I just

2021
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 2: don't love it. I get that it's uniform. I get

2022
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: that it's been around forever. I get that everybody has

2023
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 2: to run the same forty so in here you're stacking

2024
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 2: likes with likes. But football is played with pads on.

2025
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: It's played between the lines. It's not a track meet.

2026
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: You can and you can use both just because like

2027
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: you can still use the forty and the player tracking.

2028
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 1: I think there's room for both. I don't think it

2029
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 1: has to be one of the other.

2030
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 2: So I like that the track and data is coming

2031
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 2: more towards the modern side of the way of doing things.

2032
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 2: The other thing that I really like about it is

2033
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: the predictive stuff that they have in terms of injuries.

2034
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I think can be really so the injury stuff's fascinating

2035
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: and that goes way over my head the.

2036
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: Sports science, if you will.

2037
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: So that's like actual medicine, that is somewhere where math belongs.

2038
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: I have no problem.

2039
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 2: Very cool, very good. I think you can tell a

2040
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 2: lot about you know, is this player's ne gonna last?

2041
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Is something?

2042
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 3: You know?

2043
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: Is there some wear and tear on his shoulder as

2044
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 2: a quarterback? Like anything?

2045
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 5: Right?

2046
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's all important. So I think that

2047
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: that can help. And you know, you always bring up

2048
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 2: the Browns on the other side of the spectrum of

2049
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 2: a team that's used a lot of math that hasn't

2050
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 2: worked out. I always use the Eagles because they just

2051
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. The Lions are also at the

2052
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 2: forefront of this Baltimore Buffalo. A lot of really good teams,

2053
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 2: a lot of really bad teams are probably have big aa.

2054
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: Thing with this. And we this comes up a lot,

2055
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: and we talk about the Celtics. Yes, did Joe Mizzoula's

2056
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: style like last year in the win title? Did that style?

2057
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Did that philosophy work because the math was so good

2058
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: that it was just unstoppable? Or did it work because

2059
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: he had a super team and no matter how they played,

2060
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: they were probably gonna win, right Like the same with

2061
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: the Eagles, or the Eagles great because their math was

2062
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: crunched so tightly and the numbers were so perfect. Or

2063
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: did the Eagles win because they had an absolute nightmare

2064
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: of refront seven a dominant offensive line?

2065
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: Right?

2066
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: But how did moxcelln skill players?

2067
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: My rebuttal to that, though, is I'm more interested in

2068
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: the personnel side and how did the Eagles build that monster?

2069
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: They built it through Howie Roseman and having a great

2070
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 2: front office and great general managing. So it's like a

2071
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: chicken or the egg thing, right, Like, the first thing

2072
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 2: that had to happen was they had to acquire the

2073
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 2: players that were to make the super team that they.

2074
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: Have player evaluation, fine, that's all.

2075
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 2: That's where when it bleeds into the game because their

2076
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 2: analytics department saw like an inefficiency in the Kansas City

2077
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: offense or defense that they won the Super Bowl because

2078
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 2: of that. I'm saying that Howie Roseman's probably the best

2079
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 2: drafter in the NFL going right now, He's on an

2080
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 2: absolute heater, and I think a lot of the reason

2081
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 2: why he's uh so hot right now is because he's

2082
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 2: using all the information.

2083
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: But there's there's more to it, But again it's not

2084
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: to be all end all because again, if just using

2085
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: all the data was how you built a good team,

2086
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: the Browns use all the data, what's the difference between

2087
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:40,839
Speaker 1: the Browns and the Eagles.

2088
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I maybe the Eagles just use

2089
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: it better.

2090
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: Well. I think there's probably just some inherent football IQ

2091
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: that comes with that.

2092
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think with

2093
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, the thing with Howie that I think separates

2094
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 2: him too from a lot of other people is, you know,

2095
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: he the way that they value you picks is maybe

2096
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:01,879
Speaker 2: a little bit differently.

2097
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: And that's something else is the math just telling them

2098
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: to draft from the SEC because I could have told

2099
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: you that with that an equation.

2100
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: No, you know, how do they get Kunon Mitchell kind

2101
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 2: of get you know.

2102
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: Queen Mitchell was a consensus first round pick.

2103
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Quinnon, Mitchell's went to Toledo, Like, that's

2104
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 2: not SEC.

2105
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 1: He's a consensus first round pick though, yeah he's not.

2106
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: They found some diamonds in the rough. He's not exactly

2107
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: diamond in the rough.

2108
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's a dim in the rough. I'm

2109
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 2: just saying they have hit fairways for like five six

2110
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 2: years now at the top of the draft, you cannot

2111
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:35,839
Speaker 2: say the same thing about this organization.

2112
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 1: So no, But again to go back to the Browns,

2113
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: like they're both using the data.

2114
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: So I don't think I'm not trying to excuse you know,

2115
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 2: the Paldi to Pedesta's the world and all that. I'm

2116
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 2: sure that they could. You know, there's other issues with

2117
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 2: the Browns, but sometimes with with at least with the

2118
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 2: team like Cleveland. Like my two cents on it is

2119
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: that maybe there's some medaling going on from other influences,

2120
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 2: Like are the people that are hired to draft football

2121
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: players actually given the freedom to just go ahead and

2122
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: draft the football players in Cleveland?

2123
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 1: Who's meddling? Is it the owner medal or the math

2124
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: people meddling?

2125
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. Their GM is a math guy,

2126
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 2: so Andrew Berry is grew up in the math.

2127
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: We're just gonna keep going in circles on this.

2128
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: I I like to have these conversations, not to argue

2129
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 2: with you, but yeah, b I also like to have

2130
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 2: these conversations because every time we talk about analytics and football,

2131
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 2: the fourth down decision making stuff, that term.

2132
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: Has become way too much of an term. It encompasses

2133
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: too much now, right.

2134
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 2: So I want to bring about out these other avenues

2135
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 2: of what the department does on an NFL team, because

2136
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 2: that is such a small, small sliver of what their

2137
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 2: role is in an NFL organization.

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Speaker 1: It's not, but it's not because those decisions are so impactful,

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Speaker 1: like how many hours they spend on it over the

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01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 1: course of a year. The size of the pie might

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Speaker 1: be small, the impact it ultimately has on the football team,

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01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 1: the slice of the pie is much larger. So I

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01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: don't think you can say that that's a small role.

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01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: It might not be what they spend most of their

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01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: time on, but it makes a very significant impact, and

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01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: that itself might be part of the problem for some teams.

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 2: I don't think every team follows it, so I think

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01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 2: some teams are influenced by it.

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Speaker 1: For the teams that use it, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: big part of it, I think. I think it doesn't

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01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 1: sound like the Patriots an't going to are gonna use

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01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: it a ton which good.

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01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 2: I think they'll be. I think they'll it'll inform them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they think it.

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01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: Will be one item on the list of things that

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01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 1: informs them, and I don't think it will be any

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01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: greater than any other item, which is ultimately all At

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01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: this point, I think as much as I can ask,

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01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: as Felger says. Felger says all the time about analytics.

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01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: We've lost the war. The anti analytics people have lost

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01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: the war. But it doesn't mean that we should stop fighting.

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01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones. Kaylee is in Boston.

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01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 2: What's up, Kaylee?

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01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, long time, first time. I have a couple

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Speaker 3: of quick questions. First, I was wondering how has Jared

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01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 3: Wilson looked during the off season? How do you see

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01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 3: it playing out with him for subscribery? And then I

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01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 3: actually have just a quick question about the David Andrews podcast. Alex,

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01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 3: you came in really hot today. Is everything okay between

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01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 3: you guys?

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01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:09,719
Speaker 1: Between who.

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01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 3: The two of you?

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01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: Alex and oh oh yeah, Evan, Yeah, No, I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: Oh always always. That's like some like you know, brotherly yeah,

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01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 2: brotherly teasing all the time.

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01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 1: Because what's gonna happen is because we do this every week,

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01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 1: like we talk about this has been a thing for

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01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: most of the off season. We spend the first ten

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01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: minutes and this was more related. But like we did

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01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: the Celtics a couple of weeks ago, we did Madden

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, Like we spend ten minutes off

2182
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: the top of the show talking about something that's not

2183
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: the show, and then there's a bunch of YouTube comments

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01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: blaming Evan for it. So when my counter to that

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01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 1: now has been and I like that we open the

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01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 1: show that way. But I get you guys don't. So

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01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of let's get through it and let's

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01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: get to what the people really want. It's more of that.

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01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to save it and I just like

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01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: teasing Alex that's it, and I'm trying to save him

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01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: from himself.

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Speaker 3: There you go, very good stuff, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for the call. Caley, appreciate it.

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01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: Dot you mean, is everything okay between me and David Andrews?

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01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: And like, I hope so I know he's already out.

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01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: No, Like what did I say, somebody find a clip

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01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,560
Speaker 1: someway I was thinking about the other day, Like, I

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01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: don't remember, that's not a guy you're critical of. I

2199
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 1: remember saying something a couple of years ago. I think

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01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 1: this was on this show with you where we were

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01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: like breaking down a screenplay and the blocking was messed up,

2202
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: and we were like, either David Andrews went the wrong

2203
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: way or whoever the other player was went the wrong way.

2204
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: And I think my take was literally, I'm just gonna

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01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: blindly sign with David Andrews. He seems like like if

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01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,799
Speaker 1: he made the decision, he probably made the right decision.

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01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: I think the other player was like a rookie, like

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01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: late round draft pick or something. I'm like, we all

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01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 1: know who made the right decision.

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01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 2: Well, I think that I succeeded. If Kayley thought that

2211
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 2: we were actually feuding about this, then I succeeded in that.

2212
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson though we haven't seen much of Jared Wilson.

2213
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: He's been I think Mike Reeves called an undisclosed injury,

2214
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 2: so they're not even sourced disclosing the injury. So something

2215
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 2: he is going through an injury, uh, you know, coming

2216
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 2: back from an injury, I should say.

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01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 7: So.

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01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 2: He didn't get to see a ton of him in

2219
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 2: the spring. He was working off to the side a lot.

2220
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 2: They would like do team on one field and then

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01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 2: him and Anwenu and Viderien Lowe. A lot of the time.

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01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 2: It was sometimes Morgan Moses was there early on in

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01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 2: the in the spring.

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01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 2: They were doing drills you know against air, like you know,

2226
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:23,560
Speaker 2: just pas sets and stuff like that. So hopefully we

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01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 2: see more of Jared Wilson moving forward, because I I

2228
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,919
Speaker 2: am not ready to call any competition on the interior,

2229
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 2: like you know, left guard, even center, yeah, until I

2230
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 2: see Jared Wilson in.

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01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 1: Pat And Mike Gravell even said that, like he was

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01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: asked about the guard competition, He's like, yeah, we really

2233
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: can't make any decisions till the pads come on. So

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01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: the only thing we learned, especially left guard, I think

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01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: center is more of a traditional competition, right, Yeah, it's

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01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradburrig's Jared Wilson. Who's better? The only thing I

2237
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: came away from the spring thinking about left guard it's

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01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: wide open. Yeah, you could list five actually wrote this

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01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 1: this morning on ninety eight five sports dot Com. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember how many a head on there, but you

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01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: can list like six guys that realistically could be the

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01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: weak ones starting left card, someone more realistic than others.

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01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, if we want to run through it

2244
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: real quick, right, you can make a case for Cole Strange,

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01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: make case for City.

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01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 2: So I think Cole Strange has the inside track, but.

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01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm lightly putting that in pencil.

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01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 2: We're we're just out of the thing.

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01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: But right now, if I had to bet on the

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Speaker 1: week one starting left card, it would be Cold Strange.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not like, I don't feel great about it.

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01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: But you can make an argument for Strange for so

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01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: those are probably the two big ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: You can make an argument for Kaden Wallace, Yeah, can

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01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 1: make an argument for Laden Robinson. You can make an

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01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: argument for Tyree Robinson. You can make an argument for

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01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, you can make an argument for Jack Conley.

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01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: That's seven players. You couldn't made an argument for West

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01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Whites before he retired.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like it's Cole Strange, yeah, Cayden Wallace,

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01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson in terms of not City, so no, not

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01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 2: yet should be City. So just in terms of what

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01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 2: I feel like is going to happen now based of

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01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 2: what we've seen, right, Cold.

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01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Stranger of the field, Cold Strange. Oh, I'm taking the

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 1: field just on the number.

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01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean he could get hurt, so I

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01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 2: guess they're it's not even getting hurt.

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01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Like I think the percentage Cole straight If I like

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01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: percentage wise, right, who do I think is most likely

2272
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: start a left card? Cold Strange would have the highest percentage,

2273
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: but that percentage is maybe like twenty twenty five. Yeah,

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01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: so I'm taking the field.

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01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 2: All right. Let's get to Alex in Atlanta. What's up, Alex?

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01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 2: Alex you there. I can't have three Alexes on the

2277
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 2: show today if but call us back and we'll get

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01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 2: you on the air for still on Alex, Let's get

2279
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 2: to some of these emails. So we haven't got to

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01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 2: the EMAILSCA. We've had a lot of calls today. I

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01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 2: appreciate that a June eighteenth show just bringing in the calls.

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01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.

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01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: I feel like June eighteenth used to always be my

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01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: last day of school, Like this date is just burned

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01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: into my brain. Is like every time I see June eighteenth,

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01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: like I just have a Pavlovian instinct to be like,

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01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: oh nice, June eighteenth. And I think it's because it

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01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 1: was always the last day of school.

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01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 2: See. I'm that way with June seventeenth because of the Celtics.

2290
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,839
Speaker 2: Two championships won on June seventeen.

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01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but one of tho.

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01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 2: Ways only a year ago, so that can't be that

2293
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 2: trained yet. But June seventeenth, it's a Celtics day and

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01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: it's six one seven. I always just say it is

2295
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: six one seven day. I always associate you in eighteenth

2296
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 2: with the last day of school. Now, what doesn't get

2297
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 2: talked about that with that, with it being the Celtics day.

2298
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 2: They also lost game seven of the twenty ten five

2299
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 2: three on six seventeen, so that one, for young Evan

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01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 2: was probably one of the worst sports losses of my lifetime.

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01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: And I think was the I don't think the Bruins

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01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: won on six seventeen, but was the Bruins parade on

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01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:35,839
Speaker 1: six seventeen?

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01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 2: Might have been? Might have been? All right, here's a

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01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 2: question from josh was the eighteenth Oh there you go.

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01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 2: Here's a question from Joshua, which I think is a

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01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: catch twenty two kind of question. He remembered. He asked,

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01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 2: how much do the Patriots you how much will the

2309
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 2: Patriots use no huddle this year? And he thinks that

2310
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: it would be a good fit with Drake may So.

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01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing about them potentially use a

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01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 2: lot of no huddle is the return of what has

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01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 2: notoriously been called the NASCAR package, which is the one

2314
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 2: word association package that they have so that they can

2315
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,600
Speaker 2: run a no huddle and they can simply yell, you know,

2316
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, and then everybody knows what the play is.

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01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's also very that haas right, yes, yes, I'm

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01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 2: giving away the playbook now. Josh McDaniel's very notorious for

2319
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 2: naming plays after NBA stars Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, like

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01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: those types of guys. And so the the reason why

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01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 2: I bring that up is that that's forty chess. So

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01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 2: if you really think they'll have a temple, they'll have

2323
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 2: a no huddle. Every team has to have one, right

2324
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 2: because if you get into a two minute situation where

2325
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 2: you have to be no huddle, you have to be

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01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 2: no huddle. You don't have a choice but to truly

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01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 2: run it as like a core of your offense, like

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01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 2: not in like a situation type of thing. I think

2329
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 2: you need to have like a PhD level grasp of

2330
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 2: the offense as a whole. And I'm not sure if

2331
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 2: they'll be there yet at the beginning of the season.

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01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the year for that

2333
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 2: I guess is what I'm getting at. If this whole

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01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 2: entire setup is the same in twenty twenty six as

2335
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 2: it is in twenty twenty five, it's McDaniels, it's for able.

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01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 2: It's may like maybe then you could do like what

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01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 2: they used to do, you know, twenty ten Patriots, twenty

2338
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 2: eleven Patriots, when Josh McDaniels met with Chip Kelly and

2339
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 2: like really installed some tempo into the offense. But for now,

2340
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 2: I think that that's more there's one minute left, no timeouts,

2341
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 2: tie game, we got a no huddle, right, It's not

2342
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 2: necessarily something that you're just doing in the middle of

2343
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 2: the flow of the game, if that makes sense.

2344
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, McDaniel's also kind of been all over the place

2345
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: with that, Like they'll be random stretches where he's super

2346
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: in no huddle, and then they really won't use it

2347
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: for a while, and then they'll go back to it.

2348
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to expect on that one.

2349
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Like that could go anyway, but like you said, I

2350
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,759
Speaker 1: think it's more likely, you know, if this all works

2351
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: out and you're keeping a lot of the same players

2352
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 1: together next year, than the likelihood goes up.

2353
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 2: Sure, So this is another interesting question here from Dennis,

2354
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 2: so I guess I mentioned this briefly or we mentioned

2355
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 2: this briefly about the overlap between Josh mcdaniels's offense and

2356
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Brian dables offense. It's the same offense.

2357
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: I think Diggs mentioned that.

2358
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 2: Yep, Diggs played in Brian Dables offense of course in Buffalo,

2359
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of similarities. It's both Ernard Perkins

2360
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 2: play verbiage and all that kind of stuff. So that

2361
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they call the plays the same way

2362
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 2: in terms of like the actual words that they use.

2363
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 2: It's just it's run the same way in terms of

2364
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 2: the the mainly I would say protections and cadence like

2365
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of just structured the same way, is

2366
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 2: the best way I can put it. So there's a

2367
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 2: lot of similarities. I would say. The main similarity though,

2368
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 2: from what I understand at least about it, is the

2369
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 2: protection calls. Like Brady said it was some let's go

2370
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 2: or something like that, or he had an interview with

2371
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 2: Josh Allen where he said that he could like recognize

2372
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's audibles and his protection calls because it's the

2373
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 2: verbiage as what the Patriots use. So there's a lot

2374
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 2: of overlap between those two systems, between McDaniels and Brian Dable.

2375
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 2: So the question, I guess, uh, okay, I get it.

2376
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 2: The question that Dennis then asks on top of that

2377
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 2: is who would you rather have running this offense, Josh

2378
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 2: McDaniels or Brian Dabele.

2379
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 1: McDaniels, it's just the originator, right, you're you're you're going

2380
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: right to this, and I really like Brian Daball, but

2381
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: I'll go with Josh McDaniels. He just has more experience.

2382
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 2: So I would say I would have a lot of

2383
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 2: faith in Dable, but developing me, you obviously developed Josh Allen,

2384
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 2: so that would be a nice symmetry there.

2385
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: But I mean the development I thought about that, but

2386
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: also the development windows only so long. Yeah, and ideally

2387
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you're building that long term partnership, and you know, once

2388
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: they get going, once you get through that development phase,

2389
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get more out of Josh.

2390
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 2: Fair enough, All right, let's get back to the phones

2391
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: because Alex is back. What's up, Alex? A Hey, how's

2392
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 2: it going?

2393
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 4: Man? I have a quick question for you guys, because

2394
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 4: I know y'all was talking about the Jack Jahye Bill.

2395
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 6: Do you ever think like Josh mcdames would like bring.

2396
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 4: Them, like have them like playing like a little bit

2397
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 4: of h back like you played in high school and college.

2398
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah he could. Yeah, it's just so you're gonna have

2399
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: an h back and a true fullback. That's a lot

2400
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,639
Speaker 1: of roster spots to dedicate to that position.

2401
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 4: And the second question I got for you guys, did

2402
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 4: y'all see that Madden got a new gadget player on there? Yes,

2403
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 4: and you could kind of like put Deebo Samuels and

2404
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 4: all that type stuff.

2405
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure I did.

2406
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I watched that trailer last night. I don't know

2407
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: why they dropped bus.

2408
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 2: So you also showed me that the new snow thing

2409
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 2: is like you're in.

2410
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: Like snow Thing school. And ironically to the whole conversation

2411
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: we just spent twenty minutes on, like did the whole

2412
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 1: One of the big things they did this year is

2413
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: like Madden's much more data driven in terms of like

2414
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: the coach AI, the quarterback AI. The different coaches are

2415
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 1: going to make decisions based on what their real world's

2416
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: counterparts would do, based on data they've collected over the

2417
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 1: last ten years.

2418
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 2: You should hate that.

2419
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: That's no, because that's a video game, that's program that's

2420
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: absolutely what come.

2421
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like I can't say, that's not take

2422
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 2: that's like computer nerds stuff.

2423
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,679
Speaker 1: Right, but it's not actual football to video. I cannot

2424
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: wait to take advantage of the accurate Kyle Shanahan ai

2425
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: late in the game.

2426
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 2: Wow, so you're saying that he's gonna throw a wide

2427
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 2: open pass and Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna overthrow.

2428
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna have his bad quarterback throwing up fourteen with

2429
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: four minutes ago.

2430
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, to walk off the super Bowl, but even sloth

2431
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 2: and he could run it off.

2432
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 1: But no, I think that they it's kind of cool

2433
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 1: seeing this, Like obviously kids still play Madden, but there's

2434
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: also a generation, our generation that's grown up on it.

2435
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: And I learned a lot about the game from playing Madden.

2436
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 1: I think you said you learned you learned about the game.

2437
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 1: A lot of people have said they learned out the

2438
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: game for playing Madden and when we were ten years

2439
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 1: old and the game was a lot more basic, like

2440
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: that made sense. But the game has kind of grown,

2441
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 1: I think with that fan base, and they've made I

2442
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be impossible to play if you don't

2443
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 1: understand football this year, and I don't think you need

2444
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 1: to be like Bill Belichick to play it. But they

2445
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 1: have kind of made it beneficial to especially the last

2446
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 1: few years when they hit their lull, you could very

2447
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: much game the game and the football element of it

2448
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 1: wasn't relevant. You knew, Okay, this play just works, and

2449
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run this over and over, or the

2450
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 1: player ratings don't matter. If the guy's fast, he'll be good,

2451
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 1: he get be a sixty overall doesn't matter. Right, it

2452
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,800
Speaker 1: seems I will see if they executed it. But from

2453
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 1: reading it from what it seems like they really put

2454
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 1: work in this year where you are benefited by knowing

2455
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 1: how football works.

2456
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 2: Right, maybe what? Maybe? Maybe?

2457
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: Well, so I'll give you an example. So they put

2458
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: in something. I forget what the mechanic was called, but

2459
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: it was something like route guessing or something where if

2460
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: you are playing defense right and your opponent keeps burning

2461
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: you with the same player the same route over and over,

2462
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: you can route guess and there's like a soft guess

2463
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: and a hard guess. So the soft guess is just

2464
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: shading and there's not that much of a penalty and

2465
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: there's not that much of a reward. You can hard

2466
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 1: guess the route and basically, if you guess the route correctly,

2467
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: you automatically take it away, regardless of what your defensive

2468
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 1: call is. But that also comes with a significant penalty

2469
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 1: because if you get it wrong, and I'm oversimplifying here,

2470
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 1: if you gets it wrong, you guys gonna get totally

2471
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: burn and be wide open. So you need to know

2472
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You one need to know the

2473
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: name of the route, because in the menu you have

2474
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 1: to pick the route that you're trying to take away.

2475
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 1: You also kind of have to know you have to

2476
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 1: recognize that it's that same route that's continually beating you.

2477
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: And then on offense, you have to be able to

2478
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna route guess you. There's actually value

2479
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: in the computer can do this too. There's value in

2480
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: running setup plays. Right, I'm gonna run this comeback and

2481
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 1: burn you with it five times, and if I catch

2482
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: you route guessing it, well, now I'm gonna call the

2483
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: go and I'm gonna cook you. So Cannick didn't necessarily

2484
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: exist or didn't exist as formally as it does now,

2485
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: which is I think is kind of cool.

2486
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see this is too complicated to me,

2487
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 2: Like I said this, What do you mean too compkind?

2488
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 2: I said this to you last night. My ideal Madden

2489
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 2: is like Matten O four, Madden O five, which one

2490
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 2: was Mike Vick on the cover the best one?

2491
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 1: Well, like that's still existing.

2492
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,440
Speaker 2: Give me the hit stick, give me, give me, like

2493
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 2: just I just want to run around for like eight seconds.

2494
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to play actual you will still do that, true,

2495
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 2: Like I just want to play a video game.

2496
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 1: I want to have to think they made it so

2497
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: certain quarterbacks are if you want to do the run

2498
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: around thing, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray are like

2499
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 1: programmed to be better in those situations and like have

2500
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 1: abilities in those situations that like I don't know Matthew no,

2501
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Matts Davis about exam, who's like a true pocket Kirk

2502
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: Cousins right that Kirk Cousins can't do right. And it's

2503
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: not just based on the ratings. There's like things programmed

2504
01:55:58,360 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 1: into the game.

2505
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 2: But my my whole thing about Madden is when I

2506
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 2: was actually playing Madden back in my day, when I

2507
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 2: was actually playing Madden I ran like the same three

2508
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 2: plays and they worked. It was like freaking remember the Titans, right,

2509
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm run the same three plays and then you know

2510
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 2: we're just gonna keep giving it to him and like

2511
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: no volcano will eventually work, right, So like that's how

2512
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 2: I like, I don't want to I don't want to

2513
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 2: do all this other stuff.

2514
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 1: Gets a little boring, gets a little repetitive. They made

2515
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 1: it such less repetitive. It's the college game. You can

2516
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,160
Speaker 1: still do that because in college football, in real life

2517
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 1: you can still do that.

2518
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 2: So I used to run, uh this one play and

2519
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 2: with the Patriots, obviously Brady this was very probably Brady Gronk,

2520
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 2: Shane Veren so like level page. Yeah, we were like

2521
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 2: probably in college, late high school and uh, and Gronk

2522
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 2: had the flag like, he had the corner route and

2523
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 2: he was just so damn big that he could just

2524
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 2: box out anybody on the corner route. And then Veren

2525
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 2: had the flat like so he would and you what

2526
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 2: you would do, like when you had zone, you could

2527
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 2: just high low the defender out there, right, So you

2528
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 2: can still do that with Gronk. But the problem was

2529
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 2: the game got so far behind that the average tight

2530
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 2: end just by being six six played like Gronk because

2531
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 2: of the way the game is programmed.

2532
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 1: So now you can do that. You could do that

2533
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: with the Patriots if they had Gronk. You couldn't do

2534
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: that with the Patriots with the tight ends they had

2535
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 1: after Gronk.

2536
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,480
Speaker 2: So the other thing that I would do is that

2537
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 2: if I could tell it was man to man, which

2538
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 2: usually you could because it was a freaking video game,

2539
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 2: you could tell like what the leverage of the defender was.

2540
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 2: So if he was sitting outside, I would hot routed

2541
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 2: to a seam so that he would bend it inside

2542
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 2: their defender. But if it was the defender was like

2543
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,840
Speaker 2: the linebacker in the box or something, I'd still have

2544
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: him run the corner and then he'd run away.

2545
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: So they still do that. It's the same player and

2546
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 1: they still do that, but now you can bluff it, okay,

2547
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 1: and you can bluff coverages like they put this in

2548
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: last year, so you can run COVERAG two but come

2549
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 1: out in a Cover three shell.

2550
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2551
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 2: I did hear about it, And that's actually really fun.

2552
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 2: That's that's modern NFL.

2553
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Can you can screw? And they added this year in

2554
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 1: front of that, they took stunt out of the game

2555
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 1: for like ten years. They finally put stunts back in

2556
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: this year, and so when you call a defensive play,

2557
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 1: it's no more. Remember it would just be like cover

2558
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 1: two man and that would be the play. You now

2559
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: call the front and you call the coverage. And they

2560
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: put in all the Minnesota sim pressures and that stuff too.

2561
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 1: They put in all these modern blitzes.

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01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's take this last call from one of

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Speaker 2: our regulars, Mark in Connecticut, and then we're going to

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Speaker 2: wrap this show up. What's up, Mark?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, Love you guys.

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01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 6: Hope to see you guys on training camp. Absolutely get

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01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 6: that rock in and rolling finally.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what I wanted to say is is this crazy

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01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 5: to think that our second round pick and fourth round

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01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 5: pick of last year may not even make the roster

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01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 5: of this coming year. I mean, that just baffles my

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01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 5: mind that we wasted a second and a fourth round

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Speaker 5: pick on these guys.

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Speaker 8: So love you guys, hope.

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01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 6: To talk to you doing again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Mark, I hate to hit in the show

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01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 2: on that note, but yes, so I don't think I

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01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 2: think Jalen Polk will be here in some capacity, whether

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01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 2: it's you know, on a reserve LESPUPI R whatever the

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01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 2: case may be. I don't think they're going to totally

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01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 2: give up on Jalen Polk. But there's definitely a good

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01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 2: chance that both those guys are not like contributing, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a really good chance of that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't think this isn't the normal situation

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01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: if Drawd Mayo was still here. I don't think we

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01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 1: talk about Jalen pol potentially getting cut. This is in

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01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: this This kind of happens around the NFL when you

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01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 1: have new leadership. Players that and we talked about this

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01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: last year with Mayo coming from Bill like players that

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01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 1: might based on contract or draft status or whatever, players

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01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 1: that might have certain standing don't because everybody's kind of

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01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: viewed equally when new leadership comes in. So that it's

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01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: not that Jalen Polk was so bad that, oh my god,

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01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: the second round pick was terrible, So who's gonna get

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01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 1: cut after a year that's historic? Don'ting wrong, wasn't good,

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01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 1: But there is that extenuating circumstance of it's a this

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01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: isn't the coach that drafted him, And you're climbing up

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01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 1: a bigger hill when you're facing.

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Speaker 2: That fair enough, all right. So that's the show for today.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. We will be talking defense

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Speaker 2: on our fifty three man roster, projection and special teams,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be back on Wednesday at noon. I should

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Speaker 2: mention no PU tomorrow Juneteenth holiday company holiday, So Node

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02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,920
Speaker 2: PU tomorrow. Make sure everybody knows that, because I do

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Speaker 2: think we said yesterday that we'll be that Thursday. We

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Speaker 2: won't be.

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Speaker 1: Was that Alex I said that is Coorea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No PU tomorrow, So PU will be back Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Wednesday. We'll see you guys in

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, this is Deuce.

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02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:39,040
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02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:46,000
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Speaker 9: do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,