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Speaker 1: Welcome to money making Conversations. I am your host, ros

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. As I do every week on this show,

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Speaker 1: I always tell people to start reading other people's success

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Speaker 1: an industry decision maker. Her name is Sonny Hickman. She's

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Speaker 1: the vice president of marketing and Sales for the Hall

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Speaker 1: the Hall and Gold Globe Trotters Twitter twent one relaunch,

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Speaker 1: orchestrating a team of handpicked specialists. She used the she

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Speaker 1: Sundays on the show to discuss her career and these

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Speaker 1: successful brand changes to the Holland Globe Trotters. Please work

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Speaker 1: with the money making conversations, Sonny Hickman, Thank you. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to be here. Sonny. I'd like to believe I

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Speaker 1: laid it out pretty proper about the you know, iconic,

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Speaker 1: the way back to six. Why was the Harlem Globe

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Speaker 1: that's the Once we start to see that, then we

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Speaker 1: know that it is really crystallizing. But um, right now,

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Speaker 1: the early indicators are fantastic, but we are just getting started.

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Speaker 1: I referred to us as we're nine year old startups.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm happy to be there with you. Now.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned something Clark Atlanta University and the HBCU that

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Speaker 1: this is in the heart of Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia. I'm

436
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Speaker 1: doing an event over there, uh September twenty fifth called

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Speaker 1: HBCU College Day, and uh it's on the campus. And

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I'm bringing all the hbc used

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Speaker 1: from a state of Georgia and some are coming from

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Speaker 1: got there, I got Morgan Stanley, I got some I

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Speaker 1: got the Big Brothers, big sisters, I got the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the Coke Bottom United, Coca Cola, United Bottlers involved. And

444
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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do is be in all the

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Speaker 1: high school students to come in. You know, we're doing

446
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Speaker 1: social distance in My mascot will be available, Sanitizer will

447
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Speaker 1: be available to come to Clark Atlanta University to get

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Speaker 1: the HPCU experience. We're gonna have DJ there, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have staffers, we're gonna have drama lines, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have speakers, and I think it'll be a perfect and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a man d J. Mars is gonna

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Speaker 1: be spending. He's gonna have a BMX bike shop set up.

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Speaker 1: And then the military is gonna have an actual F

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Speaker 1: sixteen jet there and the hangar there and and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have the Air Force there there, National Guard there.

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, when you said Clark Atlanta

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Speaker 1: University and alumni and you're the vice president of marketing,

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Speaker 1: I think I gotta have a global trial there, at

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Speaker 1: least as a representative showing off this new uniform. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put no pressure on you, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about clarking that universal. But I'd

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Speaker 1: be remiss if I didn't tell y'are doing the big

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Speaker 1: events uptem in tween the fifth that the whole city

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Speaker 1: is gonna know about. In a couple of weeks, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna start advertising on all the radio stations. I just

466
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Speaker 1: think that'd be cool to ready to bring that brand

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Speaker 1: down there, just to showcase it, just in a very

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Speaker 1: organic manner, because it's on the campus where you are from,

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Speaker 1: you graduated from, and we are trying to just bring

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Speaker 1: the HPCU experience to all the students in the state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia. High school students and young juniors and seniors

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Speaker 1: who attend Clark Atlanta Spellman and all of they can

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Speaker 1: get Fortune five hundred job. But companies are going to

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Speaker 1: be their recruiting. We're gonna have HBC college recruiters and

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Speaker 1: military recruiters. So that's what HBCU College Day. I just

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Speaker 1: I just want to just bring that up to you

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Speaker 1: and say hey, and invite is on your desk right

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Speaker 1: now to come down there with your with your with

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Speaker 1: your troop or one or two of them, however you

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Speaker 1: want to do it, because I think it would be special,

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Speaker 1: fantastic U. As we said Clark Atlanta, we will find

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Speaker 1: away or make one good good because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: because we're because I'll be hosting it. I will host it,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna have a stage wointed by

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Speaker 1: forty foot stage and we'll be sitting there doing our things.

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Speaker 1: It's just gonna be really great. And you know, Dr

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Speaker 1: Frenchhip probably going to me there. He's the president of

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Speaker 1: Clark Atlanta University. We've developed a really nice relationship. But

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Speaker 1: it's about your brand and bringing it into natural relationships.

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Speaker 1: And and I just thought of at least I'll be

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Speaker 1: remiss if I didn't bring it up, because I think

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Speaker 1: that when you said you certain smile and certain pride

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Speaker 1: came out of you when you said Clark Atlanta University.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We can't help it. We can't help it.

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Speaker 1: And we I mean partnerships with HBCUs UM, especially as

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00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: we sort of look across our business. UM, we want

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Speaker 1: to again with our staff, with our team to sort

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00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: of reflects again the audience that we want to serve.

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Speaker 1: So how we start to look and recruit and look

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Speaker 1: at developing programs with HBCUs the right to sort of

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Speaker 1: how what are some of the opportunities within live entertainment,

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Speaker 1: live events, touring, the touring industry that the students might

503
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Speaker 1: even know don't know exists for them. So cultivating those

504
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: relationships are all about it. We're developing a certificate program

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Speaker 1: with Savannah State that is for UM Live Events, UM

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Speaker 1: and Entertainment to really start to teach the coursework. So

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Speaker 1: whether you want to work at a venue you know,

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Speaker 1: UM State Farm Arena, or you want to work on

509
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Speaker 1: a traveling tour, you know like our Harlem glod Cutters tour.

510
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: What does that look like, what's the skill set, what

511
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Speaker 1: do you study? What's that curriculum? And then the desires

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Speaker 1: and that thing gets rolled out of other HBCUs around

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Speaker 1: the country. So we're excited about that partnership with Savannah

514
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Speaker 1: State and any opportunity to get back to the campus,

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Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Give your book and all this

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Speaker 1: extra stuff. I would give you a tim By tim booth,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to use that tim By tim

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Speaker 1: Booth is just de decorating the hall and Global Trial

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Speaker 1: and all it brings the people down. Please know the

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Speaker 1: gift is yours because that's a van of state information

521
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Speaker 1: you just gave me and your passion for developing that

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Speaker 1: brand relationship with HBCUs it's where I'm at my life,

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Speaker 1: you know, about trying to you know, just just stepping

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Speaker 1: up our esp and a couple of years ago I

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Speaker 1: went over there with Steven A. Smith and Dave rob

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Speaker 1: David Roberts and allow me to broadcast the first take

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Speaker 1: for two hours. And we've over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years we registered two thousand students to attend HBC US,

529
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Speaker 1: raised eleven million dollars and scholarship dollars, and so I

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Speaker 1: know that that's where that's one of my legacies. I'm

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Speaker 1: building my life And just to hear you being a

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Speaker 1: pro graduate, you know, I just had to bring that

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Speaker 1: up and definitely off air, you know, I get my

534
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Speaker 1: team to talk to your people because it's gonna be September.

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Speaker 1: That's a Saturday, ten a m. The SPM, and I

536
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Speaker 1: definitely like to see the Hall of Growth Chrolds down there.

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Speaker 1: But before we go, two things I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about is the Spread the Game Tour and the dear

539
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Speaker 1: NBA there be Happy too. So our Spread Game Tour

540
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: as we relaunched the Globetrotters, we started touring in July

541
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Speaker 1: and we're visiting several cities around the country. It's everything

542
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Speaker 1: that you love about the Globetrotters um and been some

543
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: so that flash and player of the game. It is entertaining.

544
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna see that the skillfulness of our players. We

545
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: partnered with um some folks from Broadway, so that was

546
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Speaker 1: one of the gifts for us when our business came

547
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Speaker 1: to a screention hall during the pandemic, was Broadways it too,

548
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Speaker 1: and we wanted to reimagine what our show experience was.

549
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: So we partner with the Broadway team. So there's some

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Speaker 1: new characters that you'll meet. I kind of describe it.

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00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: It's like UM an All Star Saturday Night where you

552
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: see that incredible deep range shooting, dunks that are out

553
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: of this world, and the ball handling and some beautiful

554
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: passes meet I'm dating myself in living color. So if

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00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: you like that, if you put those scenes together, that's

556
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: what they're gonna get in the Spread Game tour. The

557
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: music is just fantastic. It's just a good time. So

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00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: we'll continue touring through September. Will be announcing some additional

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00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: dates for the tour that will be coming later this year,

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00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: so that will be coming um so uh though we're

561
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Speaker 1: going to take a time out and touring in September

562
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: just to kind of amp up the show and experience

563
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Speaker 1: and and and get ready for a second run that's

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Speaker 1: gonna start in um In in December is when the

565
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: next set of dates will become into several cities around

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Speaker 1: the country as well as we'll be going back out internationally.

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Speaker 1: And then you're gonna ask about the dr n b A.

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: So our letter to the NBA is that what you're

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Speaker 1: a I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this at the start. The NBA

571
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: would not be what it is today had it not

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00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: been for the Harlem Glow Totters. So UM we were

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00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: trailblazers and integrating the game of basketball. And we love

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Speaker 1: what the NBA has grown and become. UM, and we

575
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: think that we deserve a franchise. So as the NBA

576
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Commissioner has been exploring that idea of new franchises, a

577
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: new team, we want to be one of those teams.

578
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: And we think that UM, it'll bring justice win win

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Speaker 1: for the NBA as well as fans that you know,

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00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: some of that globe hotter style. UM of bringing that

581
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: into the the NBA experience would be just fantastic. We

582
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: would field the right level of talent that would be

583
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: needed for an NBA franchise while continuing to do our

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00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: more entertainment show style tours really separately. But um, the

585
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: response from fans have just been fantastic and we really

586
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Speaker 1: look forward to the opportunity to talk to the commissioner

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Speaker 1: about this opportunity. That's pretty powerful. Well, I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: Sunny Hickman, the vice president market in sales for the

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Speaker 1: Hall and Globetrots and a proud Clark Atlanta University graduate,

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Speaker 1: with Rashaan McDonald. My next guest is Sakia Dalila Harris.

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Speaker 1: She lives in Brooklyn and George writing about her black culture,

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Speaker 1: literature and oldies music. We really got to get into

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Speaker 1: that because she's on the thirties and she's on the

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Speaker 1: oldie's music. You know, I don't know what the oldies

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Speaker 1: go to a new edition or there's old school beyond

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Speaker 1: new editions, because oldie, it's how oldie, my oldie might

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Speaker 1: be different. She holds her master's in Fine Arts and

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Speaker 1: created writing from the new school. She has made a

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Speaker 1: splash with her first novel, The Other Black Girl. It

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Speaker 1: sets in New York's publishing world. The psychological thriller incorporates

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Speaker 1: social commentary about diversity in the workplace and the challenges

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Speaker 1: black women often have to navigate. The Other Black Girl

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Speaker 1: was bid on by fourteen hear Me fourteen publishing offices

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Speaker 1: before landing a seven figure deal for her first dollar.

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Speaker 1: So you probably wonder why she's smiling. That's why she

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Speaker 1: smiled the seventh figure deal. She's not smiling because she

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Speaker 1: likes from John McDonald. She smiled because she had a

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Speaker 1: seven biggie deal and I know what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: And it's also said to become a big hit television

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Speaker 1: series on Hulu. That's another reason why she's smiling. And

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Speaker 1: uh written alongside Rashida Jones, which we don't Rishi Jones.

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Speaker 1: That's Quincy Jones daughter, very talented actress. She's on the

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Speaker 1: show to discuss building your dream please work with money

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Speaker 1: making conversation Zakia Zakia, Delila Harris, How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great with that introduction you just gave me.

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Speaker 1: It was a little fun worked into that because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, we should be happy. We should.

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Speaker 1: You're you're You're that age they call a millennial age,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know your jumped out there and

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Speaker 1: you put to use work in another job. And why

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Speaker 1: did you leave your job to introduce yourself in the

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Speaker 1: world of a novelist? Yeah, well, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: say I have loved writing since I was five, or

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Speaker 1: maybe even before then, whenever I first learned how to write.

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Speaker 1: So I've always wanted to be a writer. My dad

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Speaker 1: is a writer as well, so very early on I

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Speaker 1: saw that as a possible career trajectory for me. Um,

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Speaker 1: and as I got older, I kept writing. UM kind

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Speaker 1: of realized I'd have to do other things also because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to be a writer, hence publishing. But I

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Speaker 1: also loved breaking with writers and talking about structure and

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Speaker 1: writing on a micro level. So all of those things

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Speaker 1: kind of led me here. But ultimately for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: after a couple of years of of working and publishing,

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Speaker 1: I just knew I couldn't work on my own writing

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Speaker 1: if I was putting myself into other authors. So I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, let me just invest in this,

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Speaker 1: see it through, um leave this permanent well paid, well

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Speaker 1: not well paying, but paying, and help stop yes, in

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Speaker 1: New York and trying to figure this out and it

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Speaker 1: worked out. Well, let's let's slow it down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Because you know your novelists, and you're saying that you

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Speaker 1: were watching other people's work. Did that help you? Did

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Speaker 1: that allow you to see? You know, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of books you published, a lot of published don't get sold. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we know that for a fact. So and being a

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Speaker 1: person who getting to see and being able to critique

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Speaker 1: and being able to discuss work with other other people

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Speaker 1: in your position, what did you learn from that? Oh? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that was that was huge for me, um being on Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I should say before I went into publishing,

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Speaker 1: I did my fee and nonfiction writing, so I was

702
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Speaker 1: very used to having people, um critique my my world

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Speaker 1: and my life. I was literally writing personal essays about

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Speaker 1: my own insecurities and my own questioning of you know,

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Speaker 1: who I was and where I'm from from Connecticut, um,

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Speaker 1: so all of those things. Having eyes in my work

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Speaker 1: and that way helped, and then being eyes on someone

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Speaker 1: else's work character when I was working editorial, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're so right, Like, there are so many great stories

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Speaker 1: out there that never get a publisher for various reasons,

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Speaker 1: and there are so many hurdles, um. And I was

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Speaker 1: aware of all of those things. But I also thankfully

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Speaker 1: knew how to navigate this world and knew all of

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Speaker 1: the steps that go into it. And I know for

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Speaker 1: me that was really empowering to be able to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here is the function that an agent is supposed to have.

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Speaker 1: I want to find the right person who will represent

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Speaker 1: me and be someone who is understanding what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to do and advocate for me in the way that

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Speaker 1: I need to be advocated for. It also allows me

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Speaker 1: to advocate for myself, you know what I mean? At Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking with the author of the very popular book

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Speaker 1: The Other like Girl is Gonna become a television serious

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Speaker 1: or Hulu Zakia Zaki. When you talk about writing, what

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Speaker 1: makes a good writing? You know what writer or what

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Speaker 1: makes a good storyteller? Because I just look background on me.

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Speaker 1: I'm I started out in Hollywood. It's a sitcom writers series,

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Speaker 1: like Sister Sister, I'm gonna come to go Oldie's on you.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's me, sister sister Jamie Foxx. You know Parenthood,

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Speaker 1: the Parker, that was me, that was big and so,

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Speaker 1: and that was a different style of writing. And now

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Speaker 1: and I we are not in the same class, okay,

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Speaker 1: because it's your storytelling that you're doing. Allows you to

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Speaker 1: even talk about looking at the thread and your clothing

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Speaker 1: as you talk about you at the beginning of the book,

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Speaker 1: you know, and looking over your shoulders. It comes you

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Speaker 1: go to the joke, you go to the moment, Go

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Speaker 1: to the joke, go to the moment. But in your world,

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Speaker 1: because I have a lot of listeners who want to

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Speaker 1: be writers or who want to get their stuff published,

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Speaker 1: material published, what makes a good story writer or storyteller?

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Speaker 1: And what is good writing? Mm? That's that's a good question. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think it depends on who the person is. But

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Speaker 1: I know for me, uh, being just engaged in the world.

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Speaker 1: UM was really helpful. UM. I love people watching. I

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Speaker 1: also love meeting new people. I've worked a lot of

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Speaker 1: jobs that required me to talk to people very different

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Speaker 1: backgrounds from me. UM, and just understanding people or trying

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Speaker 1: to understand people. I think that both such a long

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Speaker 1: way when you were trying to write a story. UM.

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Speaker 1: I would also say reading, just reading makes a good storyteller. UM.

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Speaker 1: I was really into reading as a kid, and I

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Speaker 1: will say, like I kind of fell off in high

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Speaker 1: school because I was required to read a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that I didn't want to have to read. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I did find other writers. In college I took

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Speaker 1: I majored in English literature, so I was also taking

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Speaker 1: classes on a Russian literature class I took a class

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Speaker 1: and Black literature, a lot of which I'd never heard of.

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Speaker 1: Authors that I've never been introduced to in high school,

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Speaker 1: like Nikki Giovarmy and and um Bell Hooks and so

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Speaker 1: all of those kind of things. I think that comes

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Speaker 1: with being introverted UM, but also being extroverted UM as

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Speaker 1: much as possible. It's it's hard now, I think, especially

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Speaker 1: this is the world is where it is you used

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Speaker 1: the word introverted. I'm looking at you now, we was introversion.

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Speaker 1: I would just make up a word. We was introversion

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Speaker 1: in your life. Okay, I'm saying this very your beautiful

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Speaker 1: smile you and I have to say the word magnetic personality.

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Speaker 1: And I've just seen you on a screen zoom screen there.

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Speaker 1: So when did introverted party become five years old? Six years?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't recent, It was not recent. Okay, talk to

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Speaker 1: me about that turned that you just threw out in

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Speaker 1: front of the in the middle of this interview. You know,

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Speaker 1: I am pretty I call myself an introverted extrovert. Where

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Speaker 1: I was like, let me get the order, because I

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Speaker 1: am I am someone who um I mean, this isn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily an introvert, but I am someone who is in

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Speaker 1: my head a lot. And that helped me with this

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Speaker 1: book because Nella is in her head all the time,

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Speaker 1: and it could be hard to be in her head.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to get out. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: had the other characters partly, um and why we see

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Speaker 1: her in her her world with Malaca outside of the

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Speaker 1: suppressive environment. Um So, so I'd say that's that's where

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Speaker 1: and I can also be shy, and I can also

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Speaker 1: kind of sometimes takes me time or especially as a

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Speaker 1: younger person. But this is something now that I am

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Speaker 1: an author and I do have this platform unfortunate enough

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Speaker 1: to have the space to speak on certain things. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I know when I was in publishing starting out,

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Speaker 1: I just went with the flow, um and felt like

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Speaker 1: that was what I had to do because I was

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Speaker 1: one of very few people there and I felt just

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Speaker 1: lucky to be there. Well, you know, luck and talent.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be real. You know, I'm talking to the

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Speaker 1: you know, the other black girl. That's top book New

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Speaker 1: York Times best Selling out, the best selling book, name,

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Speaker 1: most anticipated book of twenty one by Time Magazine, The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, Heralded Harper's Bizarre, Heralded Entertainment Weekly, Bustle, BuzzFeed, Parade,

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Speaker 1: good Reads, Fortune, and BBC. They've they've described your book

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Speaker 1: as get Out meets the Devils, where it's proud of

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Speaker 1: and this. You know, that's their version of it. You know.

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Speaker 1: My version of the book was that I've worked in

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Speaker 1: a corporate environment, uh and uh where I was maybe

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Speaker 1: the one of the few blacks in the on the floor,

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Speaker 1: great working environment because they it was our diversity. It

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Speaker 1: was diversified. So I wasn't like this character who was

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Speaker 1: hoping and wishing that they would see somebody like them.

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Speaker 1: Just somebody walked through the door. They can be there

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Speaker 1: so she can communicate and feel a sense of wholeness

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Speaker 1: and that that really is the core of the story. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you start developing a story like this, to kill

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Speaker 1: what said it to your mind? Because like you said,

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Speaker 1: you're in your head and this story is kind of uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to use the word Stephen King type or

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Speaker 1: Jordan's Peel type. So because I want to go back

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Speaker 1: a little bit, because you your reference, you reference Twilight Zone.

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Speaker 1: You ever lost stuff my age? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You reach the old music. You mentioned a green in

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Speaker 1: your book, and you gotta One of your character's name

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Speaker 1: is Hazel. I don't know nor your person name Hazel.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. I don't know no

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Speaker 1: millennial name Hazel. Now my age, I went to your

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Speaker 1: school with a girl named Hazel, so I know that's

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Speaker 1: an old name. So let's talk about being in your

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Speaker 1: head and the fun the fundness of these characters. They're

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Speaker 1: fully fleshed out, and the process of coming together and

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Speaker 1: laying out that this book became so participated and not

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Speaker 1: playing out as a well read novel and eventually will

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Speaker 1: be a television series on Who the Floor Is yours misintrovert. Well,

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Speaker 1: I first got to say, um, Hazel, the name comes

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Speaker 1: from UM, one of my Well, I'm just gonna say

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Speaker 1: my favorite aunts. I'm doing your old name. I told you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. And she was just such a wonderful, wonderful soul,

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Speaker 1: wonderful human. Um always cut everybody baby, and I just

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Speaker 1: love the name. And so I was like, I want

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Speaker 1: to write a character who's has this name. So that's

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Speaker 1: actually where a people came from. I let you brought

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Speaker 1: that up, But yeah, I mean so when I first

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Speaker 1: started writing this story, I had just the simple idea

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Speaker 1: of Nella and Hazel, and something's messed up about Hazel.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was going to be. I

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Speaker 1: just knew that they were going to have a hard

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Speaker 1: time because of this environment that is very white and

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Speaker 1: made up of a lot of white people who are

847
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Speaker 1: constantly watching them and assuming what their relationship is going

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Speaker 1: to be like. And then that on top of what

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Speaker 1: Nella's whos the relationship is going to be like, because

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Speaker 1: she has this whole idea of like, oh, we're both natural,

851
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: we're both in this space. We must have had similar experiences,

852
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: we must have a similar outlook on being black in

853
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: this space. But we don't all think the same thing.

854
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: We all have an opinions, and not everybody is out

855
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: there to help everybody else, And everyone has their own

856
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: kind of boundaries and their own idea of code switching,

857
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: their own idea of selling out, if I may say, um,

858
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: and what makes those things different, if there is anything,

859
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: And so all of those are things with nell and

860
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: Hazel that I was thinking about, and then specifically in

861
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: terms of Nella because for me, while I was working

862
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: in book publishing and just in general too, PEO pull

863
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: in my past who have also gone through these things.

864
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: So I talked to my dad, who worked in a

865
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: corporate environment in the nineties in New York. I've talked

866
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: to um other people in publishing who worked in publishing

867
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: years before it is what it is now and their experiences.

868
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: So I felt like with Nella, there needed to be

869
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: this beacon and the way that Tony Morrison was for

870
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: me working in book publishing because she had also worked

871
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: in editorial once spint a time, I knew Nella would

872
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: have that beacon as well, and it came in the Diana.

873
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the book. You know, I've Unfortunate,

874
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: which the Harvey uh three number one best selling books,

875
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: and that word number one is really and then not

876
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: just a word, that's a powerful word. And uh I

877
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: remember the first book, Act Like You Think Like a Man,

878
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: which eventually was sold more than three million copies and

879
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: also was translated in thirty different language, which I'm sure

880
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: this book is being translated as we speak, if it

881
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: hasn't already been done. Um, going in and senior book, okay,

882
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: in a store or at the airport, let's talk about that,

883
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: because I know I used to go in the store.

884
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: I should look, Oh that is Steve there. We just

885
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: joke around and I take my book his book and

886
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: move it up and move it around, you know, going

887
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: to a store, you know, and say, hey, why is

888
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: this book back there? Do you know? Do you know

889
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: the author named Steve Harvey? You know it's a comedian.

890
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: Has this a little book called Thinking Like? Talk us

891
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: about that, because that's so much fun, you know, because

892
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: you work real hard and you're covered clearly as as

893
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: a statement covered the other black girl talk about that

894
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: part of it, and then a lot your family to

895
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: experience going out there and seeing it on the shelves

896
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that part has been so cool. It's

897
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: been so cool, I mean because you imagine what it's

898
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: going to be like and you just can't possibly know.

899
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: And to go into the store and see this cover

900
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: that UM had, yeah, I mean, the the best possible

901
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: story behind the cover, because I know it is hard

902
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: out there, especially for black authors to get that representation

903
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: UM in the cover itself. And so for me, when

904
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: I was writing this book, I knew, of course going

905
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: into it that as an author, you you do have

906
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: a say, but depending on your contract, you can only

907
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: say so much and at the end of the day,

908
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: your team the publisher has a lot more say generally, UM.

909
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: But when I went in to those cover conversations, I

910
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to have a black artist designed the cover.

911
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: And my Asian and I sat down and we created

912
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: a list of black artists that we found on Instagram

913
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: online and one particular author UM was Emmy Coker and

914
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: he is a Nigerian born artistic belief and he created

915
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: this gorgeous piece of artwork for UM Twitter's June team

916
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: last year. It's called and basically this image of the cover.

917
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: It's a little different, but the thing I loved about it,

918
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean royalty a profile view of her. You see her,

919
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: she was looking legal. Um. And you also have that

920
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: earring which is an Afro pick with our black power fist,

921
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: which is the kind of pick that I actually got

922
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: the first time I went natural a few years ago.

923
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: And it's also a pick that my dad happened to

924
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: have growing up back when we at hair still. So hey,

925
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: don't be laughing at your dad and me. Okay, okay,

926
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I had the pig. Now I had the pig. We

927
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: just liked me the same age summer right now. My

928
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: dad is like, um, but the fact that you know,

929
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: this artwork happened. And my designer, who Jimmy Akabelly, who

930
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: is at TERM and Schuster, took that design and man

931
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: in this cover, and the artist of course was so

932
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: lovely about it too. Tommy Cooker was like, absolutely, we

933
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: need more black women authors. UM excited to be a

934
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: part of it. And this is all connected to the pick.

935
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: It just felt so right and it's so exciting to

936
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: me that young black people will go into the store,

937
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: go into Walmart, into that independent bookstore, Barnes and Noble,

938
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: Google play whatever and see this image and see just

939
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: blackness in this way in your face. I just love it.

940
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Look at your children's eyes to see the true magic

941
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: of a forest. It's a storybook world for them. You

942
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: look and see a tree, They see the ring of

943
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: face of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky.

944
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: They see treasure and pebbles, They see a windy path

945
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: that could lead to adventure, and they see you. They're fearless. Guide.

946
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: Is this fascinating world? Find a forest near you and

947
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot org brought to

948
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: you by the United States Forest Service and the ad Council.

949
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: What grows in the forest trees? Sure, No. What else

950
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: grows in the forest, Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

951
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too. Because when we disconnect

952
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

953
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

954
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: near you and start exploring. I Discover the Forest dot

955
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Speaker 1: Org brought to you by the United States Forest Service

956
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Speaker 1: and the AD Council. Hi everyone, I'll Roker here as

957
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: a guy with his own catchphrase. I appreciate that Smokey's

958
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: only said only you can prevent wildfires, but I'm filling

959
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: it because there's a lot more to report, like when

960
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: they're a parched, their windy conditions out there, you gotta

961
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: be extra careful with things like burning yard wage. After all,

962
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: wildfires can start anywhere, even in your neck of the woods.

963
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Through the Smokey Bear dot Com to learn more about

964
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: wildfire prevention, brought to you by the U. S. Forest Service,

965
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: your state Forrester and the ad Council. Well, you should

966
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: love it. And it's a blessing to see that happened.

967
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: And you know, when I when I look at the

968
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: genres like this to go into that horror, it was

969
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: several years ago when you saw horror. On horror movie,

970
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: we always in a black character. You always do the

971
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: black character is gonna die first. You always say that

972
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: was just running Joe, the black character's gonna die for.

973
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what that brother, Oh we got paid

974
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: he did that clone. But the other black girl. You know,

975
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: it combines all these extraordinary genres. Is a dark comedy,

976
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: it's horror as a thriller. That plays with your mind

977
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: is science fiction and more. How were you able to

978
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: mix all these the same blend them all together comfortably?

979
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Because one thing I wanted to say this about you,

980
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: it's the kid, is that you are so descriptive in

981
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: your writing. I mean, it's it's very d tell and

982
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: it's which allows me to really visualize the moment of

983
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: the scene that you're trying to create, which is a

984
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: gift in itself, and I feel that's what really kind

985
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: of got everybody excited because they could feel your experience.

986
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: They could almost smell your experience and also could emotionally

987
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: be engaged in your experience from the description of the

988
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: hair or the big ear rings when y'are laughing together

989
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: or sitting at the accounting the sun coming through you

990
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: mean you even you even wrote bawled up the paper,

991
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: the paper and threw it into the trash. Even you

992
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: even wrote that in your in your in your language

993
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: of your book, and it was like, Wow, she is

994
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: really really on point here talk about weaving all those

995
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: things together. And that's a strong compliment because, like I said,

996
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: that's something I can't do, and that's a gift and

997
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: the blessing that you have Oh, I really appreciate that

998
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: so much. Um. Yeah, I mean for me blending everything,

999
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stay with it because it took a

1000
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: lot of eyes on my work. It took um people

1001
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: that I met during my god school days. It took

1002
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: my dad, it took my agent and my editor, a

1003
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of people. Um. But for me it was easy

1004
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It's just in the sense

1005
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: of knowing that's what I wanted to do, because I

1006
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: do feel like so much of the Black experience is

1007
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: often humor and fun and joy, but then also there's

1008
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: like a bitterness that we have to often navigate through,

1009
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: and there's a horrifying nature, especially just as Black people.

1010
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: Day to day you get up and see the news,

1011
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: see what's happening to us, and then have to go

1012
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: to work or create, and how do you manage all

1013
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: of those things. It's it's horrified, and so really getting

1014
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: that down and showing what was mistake for Nella's experiences,

1015
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: but also speing Nella having fun, showing her living her

1016
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: full life outside of work, that was that was really

1017
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: crucial part of the writing process for me. And I

1018
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: guess that doesn't really answer your question, but well, answers

1019
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: my question the sense that you are. You know, I

1020
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: won't to say all over the place, but with the

1021
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: system story proper storytelling, because I had to be able

1022
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: to you know, like I said, I could relate to

1023
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: her insecurities because there were This book is tied to insecurities.

1024
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: It's because she's pushed along and some of the flaws

1025
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: that pop out of some of the states she get

1026
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: into a tied to taking bad suggestions or suggestion that

1027
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: she shouldn't, that she should like leave with her first thought,

1028
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: and then it just stumbles and it just starts unraveling.

1029
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: And that's just the part of it that really catches

1030
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: your eye, makes it relatable because we all have been there.

1031
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm talking to the author of the incredible

1032
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: book The Other Black Girls, the Other Black Girl, the

1033
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: New York Times best seller names because it's the kid.

1034
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I mentioned her name earlier on

1035
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Rashida Jones Uh. And the book is being um and

1036
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: she gonna start in the or she's gonna take an

1037
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: executive producer role in the Hulu series that the book

1038
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: is being adapted for. Yeah, we're still in the early stages, UM,

1039
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: but right now we are co writing the pilot UM episode.

1040
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: We have been you know, talking a lot over the

1041
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: last year now, I guess well, um, just about the

1042
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: shape UM outline, how the characters are going to be

1043
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: different in the show versus the and what we do

1044
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: want to keep because the conversations about blackness and diversity

1045
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: have changed, that's in the last year. So exploring that

1046
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: and how to make your show feel as relevant as

1047
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it could be feeling at the time, that's that's been

1048
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: really interesting and fun because again also we all have

1049
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: the ideas of just progress in the best way to

1050
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: purvey those insecurities. You mentioned those anxieties and called those

1051
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: things UM because I come from from very different backgrounds. Instead,

1052
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: we have worked so well together and she's just wonderful

1053
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: and took me under her way. That's been the most amazing.

1054
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: I would tell you this is the key. You know, Yes,

1055
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of outward changes, okay, but

1056
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: it hasn't changed. Okay. So that's why your book was

1057
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: very relatable. So don't try to don't try to fit

1058
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: it in because you know, no, no, no, actually gotten

1059
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: more instidious this idea of UM, you know, especially with

1060
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: the Twitter, the performative aspect of what we saw last

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Speaker 1: actually got me even maybe worse. That's maybe a little

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Speaker 1: but I don't know, because it's a brilliant book. Before

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Speaker 1: I lead, I wanted to teach you about you know,

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Speaker 1: this old soul, this drifting inside your head, this introverted

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Speaker 1: head here, you know, the Twilight Zone references. I'm going like,

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Speaker 1: really really try so this she references old music and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. Talk about you in general. So you

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Speaker 1: seem so relatable, you see, like a genuine person that

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Speaker 1: I could really and continually talk to and laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: I can take you the comedy club and might ask

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Speaker 1: you for a day, said, I could take you to

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Speaker 1: a comedy collectn tak your a jazz concert. I can

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Speaker 1: take you to a Frankie, Beverly and May's concert, that

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Speaker 1: type of thing. Yes, look at that. And so I

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Speaker 1: just feel that this book allows you to have those

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Speaker 1: those levels and the credibility and writing it So is

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Speaker 1: that was that tied to just your upbringing, your parents

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Speaker 1: putting the music on. Talk about you mentioned your aunt Hazel,

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Speaker 1: one of the characters is named after that. Talk about

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Speaker 1: that and also telling writers how like you said, read

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Speaker 1: a lot, read a lot, read a lot, but also

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Speaker 1: to be animated, authentic correct. Definitely. Well, the music thing

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Speaker 1: absolutely comes from my parents. I up so many kinds

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Speaker 1: R and B and soul Um. And my mom's side,

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Speaker 1: lot of um different artists, I mean Rod Stewart too.

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Speaker 1: Like I also come from a very diverse music background

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Speaker 1: as well, So that was really fun to play on

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Speaker 1: and reference people who would catch those africaces. So I appreciate, yes, um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I think making sure when you are writing

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