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Here's what's making news in science, technology, 30 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: engineering and math. Facebook will pay millions more in taxes 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: starting next year, all because of where it sends the 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: bills out for the advertising it sells In the United Kingdom. 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: The social network has decided to stop rooting advertising sales 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: of its largest UK clients through Ireland, which effectively increases 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: its tax bill by millions of pounds. It's a bid 36 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: by Facebook to improve transparency and fend off criticism over 37 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: tax avoidance. Smaller business sales where advertising is booked online 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: will still be rooted to the company's Ireland offices, which 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: will remain in the firm's international headquarters. But a Facebook 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: spokesman tells Bloomberg and an emailed statement that it's larger 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: UK customers will start receiving invoices from Facebook UK instead 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: of Facebook Ireland. That means the revenue will be recorded 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: in the UK and those tax there. The British Treasury 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: issued a statement welcoming the additional revenue and saying multinationals 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: should pay every penny they owe. The UK is famous 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: for its tenacious tax enforcement. Remember when the Beatles were 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: compelled to pay a rate of And that's this morning's 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and j I t Stem reports, Tom, that was 49 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: a revolver moment, a revolver moment. Why clever Mike? Pick 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: it up here with our esteem Well, our steam guest 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: is our Steam Job's Day co host Alan Krueger from 52 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Princeton University. We were walking with Robert Gordon of Northwestern 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: in the last block about what a difference uh An 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: administration can make in the economy. Let's keep it in government. 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Moved down the street a little bit to twenty and 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: C streets in Washington and Aska. At this point, is 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: the Fed still affecting the economy or has the impact 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: of zero interest rates and Kiwi and the Fed's balance 59 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: at this point sort of become a neutral factor. I 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: think they're still accommodating the economy. I think it'll be 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: a while before monetary policy is in the mutual stance. So, uh, 62 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: when you say it's a while, then what is the 63 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: What is what the Fed is considering whether they raise 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: interest rates in the basis points or fifty basis points 65 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: is here? Is that going to have an impact? Are 66 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: we going to notice that at one point? Do they 67 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: hinder the economy? Well, I think it'll I'll start to 68 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: slow the econ to me when they and I assume 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: that they'll continue to raise rates because I expect the 70 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: recovery is going to continue. Um, the question is at 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: what pace. The reason why I say I think it's accommodative, 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: it'll just be less accommodative going forward is real rates 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: are still negative. If you look at where we are 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: with inflation, where nominal interest rates are, even if they 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: go up fifty basis point basis points this year, Uh, 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: that's still going to be below the inflation rate, and 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: that still would be supporting investment in the US economy, 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: supporting consumption within this and to the debate, and I'm 79 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: sure you have a strong opinion on this. How much 80 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: of a vector on the unemployment rate can be attributed 81 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: to the White House and to what is becoming a 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: lame duck white House. I was quite taken us to 83 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: the about the president of the first Lady suggesting they 84 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: will stay in Washington. I guess we all knew immediately 85 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: why their youngest daughter's education is a priority. But the vector, now, 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: how much can a White House influence that? Well, there's 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: still many things that the administration is engaged in that 88 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: can influence the economy, the trade agreements, for example, uh, 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: international policy. UM, I think we made some big steps 90 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: with the budget which will provide more certainty going forward 91 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: and a little bit of a tailwind for the economy. 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: But if you look at over this weep but the 93 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: last seven years, I think there's no question that the 94 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: Obama administration's policies helped to get us out of the 95 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: worst recession since the Great Depression. The script you do 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: every time I'm here, Yeah, I don't believe you have. 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, Professor Krueger. I'm watching in our wonderful coverage 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: from Washington. One of the Republican candidates I want to 99 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: leave the politics out of this. Go after the Affordable 100 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Care Act and without any political angle. I'm saying to myself, 101 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: how many people in his Republican audience's benefited from the 102 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act? How many did? Large numbers. I have 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 1: to say I watched like half of the audience, No question, 104 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: it was millions. I did full disclore, full disclosure, Rich Truman, 105 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: full disclosure. One of my kids got a two year 106 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: free ride because of the Affordable Care Act. You know, 107 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: to hear the claims during the debate that the troits 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: not doing well because of the Affordable Care Act is laughable. 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: That struck me as as a little bit odd. But 110 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: let me ask you. During the debate, they argued it 111 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: was a job killing piece of legislation, and that was 112 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the argument that was put forth in the debate over 113 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: whether depascit or not. Can we tell what impact has 114 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: had on jobs? I mean there were a lot there 115 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: were a lot of stories going into this that companies 116 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: were hiring more part time workers so they wouldn't become 117 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: subject to this and converting full time workers to part 118 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: time workers. Can we tell what the impact has been? Well, 119 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: there's no sign that it has had an adverse effect unemployment. 120 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: If you look in this recovery, and especially since the 121 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act passed, virtually all of the job growth 122 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: has been in full time jobs. You know, Like the 123 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: same thing was said at the Social Security Act that 124 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: it was going to destroy the US economy. So I 125 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: think everybody needs to take a deep breath and look 126 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: at the Act in in fall. Uh, look at the 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: effect it's had on healthcare costs, which is probably to 128 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: slow them down and to accelerate some trends that were 129 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: taking place before the pass which, uh, we're contributing to 130 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: slower growth and healthcare costs. Uh. We should all be 131 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: proud of the fact that twenty million more people have 132 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: gained health insurance coverage UM and the effect on the economy. 133 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Job growth is certainly stronger in the last two years 134 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: and it wasn't the two years before that. I just 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: put out a photo on Twitter, folks. It's one of 136 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: the three or four most important photos of the history 137 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: of Bloomberg Surveillance and Bloomberg on the economy. They have 138 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: Kruger and Gordon with this special what have you learned 139 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: off of Krueger card card Krueger from what you were 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: like seventeen years old. I mean, come up, you know 141 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: not's sick. I can remember the dates of some of 142 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: these papers. Krueger card, What have you learned about the 143 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: minimum wage with the new experiments we're having in Seattle 144 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: and other places? In Secretary Clinton, I believe surrounding the 145 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: fifteen dollar statistic? What have you learned recently? Well, I 146 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: think in the last twenty years since our book came out. 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'll give a shameless plug, we 148 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: just published uh twenty anniversary edition of mythan measurement half 149 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: that half that um and uh, what's remarkable to me? 150 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: And I thought this was the case when we wrote 151 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: our research and our our book back in the early nineties, 152 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: that the judgment would be based on what happened subsequently, 153 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: on what the research subsequently shows. And overwhelmingly, the research 154 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: has found that moderate increases in the minimum wage do 155 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: not have a noticeable effect unemployment, that moderate increases in 156 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: the minimum wage tend to boost wages, tend to support consumption, 157 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: yet don't have an adverse effect unemployment, in part because 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the job market is not as competitive as we like 159 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: to think. There are frictions in the job market, bargaining 160 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: power matters, and the minimum wage sets a norm for 161 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: what's acceptable wages. Now, I do have some concerns about 162 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: the minimum wage going too high, because even in the 163 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: non competitive labor market, you can set the minimum wage 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: above the point where it does more good than harm. 165 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: And fifteen dollars, frankly, is beyond the experience that we've 166 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: had in the US and beyond the experience in almost 167 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: every other country. So I think that would take us 168 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: into uncharted waters. But I'm quite comfortable saying that going 169 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: up to a range like twelve dollars an hour would 170 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: have more benefits for low wage workers for us. Or Krueger, 171 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us today. Our 172 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: people are looking at your people. You're entourage, e Lane. 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: She's screaming, get him out of here. Alan Krueger has gone. 174 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: The former Protger can always take you know, we'll rub 175 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: up the script sometime and he can. He can come 176 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: back anytime. He was He's enchourage is coming right into 177 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: the studio to drag him out. It's so rude. He's 178 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: the former chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors. 179 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: Alan Krueger of Princeton University, fugures up five downfugures up 180 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: forty three. Mickey Leavey to join us, thrilled with that. 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: With Barrenberg Capital Markets also joining us today. William Gross, 182 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: we'll speak to him for Janice Capital with an important note. 183 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: A few days ago he said banking, he's warning the 184 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: sun is going to burn out it, yeah, or or 185 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: something like that. Bill Gross will join us after the 186 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: jobs report. Yeah, well, we'll look at that. We begin 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: another hour here and then on to the nine o'clock 188 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: our of Bloomberg surveillance, and of course in thirty two 189 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: minutes we will do what we do, which was gonna 190 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: go but eath the headline data to inform you on 191 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: America's labor economy. Michael McKee and Tom King coast to 192 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: coast worldwide Bloomberg Surveillance