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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. Stephen, do you want to

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Speaker 1: start by maybe talking about when you and Lily went

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Speaker 1: to a music show in high school, like an indie

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Speaker 1: rock show. Yeah, that would be really interesting if Lily

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Speaker 1: actually invited me to a concert in high school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess no, right, Okay, so cool. So it's a

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Speaker 1: fictional story. Awesome. Okay, so we're gonna do some fictional

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Speaker 1: role play about Lily actually inviting me to one of

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Speaker 1: for cool indie rock I'm sorry actually thought that I

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Speaker 1: wasn't cool enough. Well, you literally said the music I

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Speaker 1: listened to was for like creepy losers and like scary

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Speaker 1: gutter pie. I've want to go, yes you did. You

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Speaker 1: were just like that's like you listened for like trash people.

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Speaker 1: I never said you actually, no, I literally never said that.

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Speaker 1: You were just like, oh no, Stephen doesn't get it,

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Speaker 1: and like I'm going to cool things worth thrashing around

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Speaker 1: and wearing makeup and making out with boys and like

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Speaker 1: Steven's my fun gay friend I go shopping with into

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Speaker 1: Britney Spears concert and I'm literally just your ken pop

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Speaker 1: base and I'm just this absolute like stylist accessory. The

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Speaker 1: handbag vacation of the gay friend. You are fully blocking out,

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Speaker 1: just like me. Do you want get the diary? Do

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Speaker 1: you want? Do you want to get the diary? Who's

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Speaker 1: that knocking at the door. It's all your friends who

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Speaker 1: fill your husband's gone and we got books in the

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Speaker 1: bottle of wine. Do you kill? It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 1: it's gossip, I Shook, It's Memoiry, it's Martinis, It's Celebrity

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Speaker 1: Book Up, it's hot, Celebrity book Cup, tell your secrets,

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Speaker 1: all talk. Celebrity book Club. No boys are allowed. Celebrity

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Speaker 1: Book Club. Say a loud and proud Slberry book Club. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a dope ass recreation of our theme song in

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Speaker 1: the style of early two thousands indie lesbian rock. My

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Speaker 1: jaw is truly dropped. Um. Stephen just made that single

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Speaker 1: last night. Yeah dude, So it's just fucking inspiration hit me.

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Speaker 1: I went into the studio, Bam, it just poured out.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you lay down a track forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes later you're like, wow, I got a full forty

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Speaker 1: second hit out of that, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing about songwriting. And we'll get into

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Speaker 1: this because this week we're reading teaching in Sarah's book

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Speaker 1: high School. Some people music just pours out of them,

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Speaker 1: songwriting pours out of that. I really related to this

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Speaker 1: scene when you know, Sarah's first writing music music and

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Speaker 1: she's like, no one ever taught me how to do it.

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Speaker 1: I just I found my stepdad's guitar and I just

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Speaker 1: started strumming. I just heard of copying what I saw

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Speaker 1: Courtney Loved on television, and then just I just started

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Speaker 1: making up lyrics to it. And you know, that same

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Speaker 1: thing shit happens to me. I sit down, Sure, I have,

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Speaker 1: you know, ten years of classical formative piano, but absolutely

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Speaker 1: for Mela and I did get into Juilliard and decided

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Speaker 1: not to go no get out. I did absolutely not

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Speaker 1: a policy, but I did used to compete at like

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Speaker 1: piano competitions and it was just like, you've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of formal piano training, and yeah, I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: semi formal guitar training. But I still feel like was

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Speaker 1: how formal every time I just had like guitar, my

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Speaker 1: say that music and numbers, it's a very water. And

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Speaker 1: then I took guitar lessons in high school, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like songwriting. Like I play and

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Speaker 1: I'm still kind of strumming, but songwriting and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: pour out of me. Did Would he come to your house?

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Speaker 1: My math tutor would, Yeah, this is the guitar teacher

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, he would do a half math half

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Speaker 1: guitar as you just as I said, so, I yeah,

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Speaker 1: he'd come to my house and he'd bring his guitar

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Speaker 1: and it was really good fun. Then he teached me

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Speaker 1: songs I wanted to learn. It's fun. And then now

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Speaker 1: that see that to me is quite informal. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: I would go to my piano teacher's house, which was

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Speaker 1: completely insane and had all these like gilded like landscape

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Speaker 1: so much perfume. Well that's I feel like classic piano teacher,

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Speaker 1: though that could be using creepy and yeah, and they're

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Speaker 1: so Charlotte. My dad fired his piano teacher as a trial.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's just so I was born in a suit,

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Speaker 1: my sister had an angry Russian music teacher. Before we

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Speaker 1: got ahead of ourselves, did we say what book we're reading? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so you did mention it. But I just

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Speaker 1: want to make it sure. The books by Tegan and Sarah,

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Speaker 1: famous lesbian indie rock duo, and the book is called

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Speaker 1: High School and they are identical lesbian twins from Calgary.

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Speaker 1: That is Canada for province? Is it in British Columbia. No, Alberta,

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Speaker 1: that's not a province. It is Alberta. I believe it's Alberta.

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Speaker 1: Can we fact check that? I mean, I definitely realized,

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Speaker 1: like us, Meg, we cannot hear you how little I

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Speaker 1: know about beep beep fact check? It is indeed Alberta.

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Speaker 1: Ding ding dang um. Yeah, I don't know, even though

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Speaker 1: I had family friends from Toronto growing up. Sure, and

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Speaker 1: Ontario focus. It's definitely. And we actually do need to

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Speaker 1: raise Alberta stories. No, we do because in this when

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Speaker 1: they talk about going to Toronto, they're like so like

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Speaker 1: much clanking was happening. Yeah, and like they're more Calgary cheekas.

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Speaker 1: So I was never a Cheakin and Sarah fan, I

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Speaker 1: think because like I was a huge owning to Franco fan,

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Speaker 1: and then I feel like proceeds Cheaking in Sarah's like

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Speaker 1: ultimate lesbian music. And I think by the time Cheaking

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Speaker 1: because I had so much like self hating homophobia that

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Speaker 1: to Franco. But the rest of music, I like, it's

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Speaker 1: hardcore and like punk, and its men and they're Irish

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Speaker 1: and they're Catholic and they're like women, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: sort of what allowed you to explore your sexuality, was

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Speaker 1: like I will have this entryway into like female empowerment,

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Speaker 1: I was very anti Pride Flag. Yeah, absolutely from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Bryce's like super thin suspenders before, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: think a good note, good note, lil you look like

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Speaker 1: a fucking clown. No, I mean maybe after your top surge,

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Speaker 1: listening to you got Fred Perry's and you got braces. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to also buy so many fred Paris. But Fred Paris

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Speaker 1: Fred one of the most punk things you can do.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. Um So, I mean, first off of this book,

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Speaker 1: I would have to say, I was like, Sue, this

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Speaker 1: whole book, um, I would say, is very different from

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Speaker 1: We used to talk on our landline, oh god, all

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Speaker 1: the clock, yeah, constant ringling your Iagittarius signment, GEM and I,

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Speaker 1: So t and Sarah are very like our I feel

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Speaker 1: like our older siblings age they're like a little more

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Speaker 1: gen X. They're like forty, not to age us, but

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Speaker 1: maybe eight exactly. So they discovered music, you know, they

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Speaker 1: were just gifted to Smashing Pumpkin CD when it came out,

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Speaker 1: Like they were like twelve when Cobain died. So actually

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Speaker 1: they're a whole lot open. They're the same absolute generation

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Speaker 1: because we had the same experience of descovering music by

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Speaker 1: getting that Bashing Pumpkin CD. Like a Door was one

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Speaker 1: then the Titanic soundtrack when I was also a mixed

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Speaker 1: remember the first tape was like Salt and Pepper, very necessary, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like m I was always like stealing popcorn from the

424
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: movie theater trash and like hello, we were always like

425
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: stealing movie billboards, Like I would never disrespect home and

426
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: steal a mirror. Yeah, the mirror because you're fully it's like, hello,

427
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: stealing a movie uzzers a victimless crime. No, it's just

428
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: like and because they just throw them out of the

429
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: movie theaters ds so infuriated. Yeah, I would like I

430
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: feel like all the time in high school, we would

431
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: be like, can we have it in the movie theater

432
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: would be like no, okay. So this is my theory

433
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: of maybe like why I didn't hook up as much

434
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: as Teakan and Sarah did in high school. I think

435
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: when all throughout this high school book is there's like

436
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: are having girlfriends and having these like slumber parties and

437
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: their dad like gives them their lake house and they

438
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: like both go there with their girlfriends and they're like

439
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: having sex. But they were still not like admitting to

440
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: themselves that they were gay. They were kind of like, oh, well,

441
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: we're just like two twins who have really long hair,

442
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: were huge jeans and like huge shirts, but like we're closet,

443
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: and I kind of think if I I feel like

444
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: I was too conscious of my gayness that I couldn't

445
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: have accidental oops hook ups with girls where I was like,

446
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's just like literally a show, because

447
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: well we're just like impressing guys, like it's actually who cares?

448
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't care, Like I was too invested. Well a,

449
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: you were too invested. Yeah, you were too solf aware.

450
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: You weren't like I'm exploring. You were just like, no,

451
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm a lesbian. Yeah, you weren't just like, oh weird,

452
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: Me and my like best squad of like long haired

453
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: fams are all having sleepovers and like things are getting weird.

454
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: We're going what's happening like, because then they would just

455
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: had like such a like misfit squad of just like

456
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: faggots and just like other bisexuals, and like it wasn't

457
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: so like, oh like we're having this oops fam sleepover.

458
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: Right then. I was too nervous because it's like the

459
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: biggest fear in high school is to be for some

460
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: girl to be like, oh, like stop staring at me,

461
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: you're being such a lesbian, like the lesbian a sterium.

462
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: And that was my big spear to be like the

463
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: like the stereotype of like a creepy lesbian, which I

464
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: think stems back. I'll pull out some travelers. I had

465
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: a crush on this girl in sixth grade and we

466
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: like literally did. She was super tall on as there. No,

467
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: I actually never had a crush on my best best friend,

468
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: but realized you were gay. You always get that story wrong. Sorry,

469
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: I have al spot when it comes to women in

470
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: their history. Okay. I realized I was gay when I

471
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: was at the Blue Man Group with like my entire

472
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: sixth grade class, and it was like, I think the

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: Blue Bay Group said to like kiss the person next

474
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: to you, and this other girl kissed me or something

475
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: in my class, and I was like, and you felt

476
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: a jolt dressing the group electricity And I was like, oh,

477
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: and I think I had already seen the Savage Garden

478
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: video that also made me gay, where I had a

479
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: crush on the girl. Blue Man Group like makes people

480
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: get a Canadian to begin with. I feel like, probably

481
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: it's either Chicago or Canadian. The same thing. Friends, it's

482
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: called everyone's weird, like my insane nanny who was friends

483
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: with Marilyn Manson and had the Florida ceiling. Tori Amos

484
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: Postory once to such the dragons, okay, which is very

485
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: cheeking room. She took me to Blueman Group for like

486
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: the first time, and I remember just being like, I'm

487
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: seeing things I've never seen before. I'm seeing toilet paper

488
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: use in a way that it's not the way that

489
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Like all of this is making

490
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: me rethink the world and like something in me unlocked,

491
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: and I was just like, there is a future. Wait,

492
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: it is so gay because one of my friends who

493
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: is like the stage manager or was for Blooming Group

494
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: for like two years, so proven, and she's the one

495
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: that like constructs all the putty and I mean the

496
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: toilet papers stage manager, no matter what the show is

497
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: or the venue, like a lot of tech folk. Can

498
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: I read you an erotic passage? Yeah, maybe this will

499
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: bring up some memories. So Sarah of the twins, she

500
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: starts dating one of their friends first, and Tigan like

501
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: still thinks she's like straight. I'm like likes the guy

502
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: who likes green Day, which again is very me and

503
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: Alex Parker, Okay, I did want to ask who you

504
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: don't have her with more? So Sarah is the younger

505
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: one by ten minutes. And maybe I'm projecting, but the

506
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: whole book I kept thinking like Sarah's actually the smarter one,

507
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and she's kind of like more of an eloquent writer,

508
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: and like I kind of I don't have her with

509
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: her more and she's more like observant. But I think

510
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: I was completely projecting me because she's ten minutes younger

511
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: and I'm the youngest sibling. Well, I do have to

512
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: say I was more involved in Sarah's story because she

513
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: was hooking up first in the book, So I was

514
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of like, can we get to the Sarah chapter

515
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: to like get to more sex You're horn because I

516
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: was horny. And then Teagan is still just being like

517
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: shut up Sarah and like slambing a door and like

518
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: dating the spiky hair guy Spencer. Okay, okay, okay. So

519
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: Sarah is dating Naomi before like Teagan's like sleeping with

520
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: a girl, and Naomi, who also who I guess is

521
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: still like their best friend, suggests like they write erotic

522
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: fantasy notes to each other, and so this is Naomi's

523
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: note to Sarah of her fantasy of what they do,

524
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: and it's just so funny. In high school, no one's home,

525
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: so I invite you over. When you arrive, we decide

526
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: that we're pretty hungry, so we order food. The pizza

527
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: man says, we'll probably take about one hour. While we wait,

528
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: I start kissing your body all over, playing close attention

529
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: to that place in bats. The doorbell rings, but neither

530
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: one of us gets up because suddenly we aren't all

531
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: that hungry for pizza. We both agree that a shower

532
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: would feel great. In the shower, and not surprisingly, we

533
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: don't rest. We still go at it, making each other

534
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: feel unbelievably good. I love how it's just like they're

535
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: never like, saying they're just like, and we're still making

536
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: each other feel good. When we get out of the shower,

537
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: we decide we're kind of hungry now, so we each

538
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: up a piece of chocolate cake. We have it all

539
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: over each other and then lick it off. Good cake,

540
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: especially the icing. We return to my bedroom, still making

541
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: each other feel wonderful, we fall asleep in each other's arms, naked. Okay,

542
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: so the delivery guy has just been at the door.

543
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this dominoes the Alberta, this aborta essential worker.

544
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: It's just like sitting in the actual like negative eight

545
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: and probably like you have to have cash. He's never

546
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: on this pizza. It Sarah taking in Sara um Too.

547
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: It's also so just like high school where you're kind

548
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: of like always like so hungry and blazed and just

549
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: being like a ice cream and pizza, just like cake

550
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: the book is the only who they mentioned is Pizza

551
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: in this book. I mean I was like high school,

552
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: I don't know you're working, yeah, pizza, And I was.

553
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: Also it's so I'm thinking about like what you think

554
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: is going to be like sexy adult things you do

555
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: is Oh, of course you think that like covering each

556
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: other because you've seen like what's Varsity Blues where she

557
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: covers herself in the room cream, you see like the

558
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: adversity blows crissas mocam. There's another movie where is it?

559
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's what's the movie with Meg Ryan

560
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: where like that has goog theme song, yes, where he's

561
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: like watching her, and it's like, what movie is that?

562
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Isn't there a scene where the guy she's fucking like

563
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: puts chocolate syrup on his dick and like goes back

564
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: to like what she sucks it off? Well, they don't

565
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: see the blow chop angels. This might be completely the

566
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: wrong movie, okay, but there's this thing that I remember,

567
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: but again, like that something you think of where you're

568
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: like you don't have fantasies as you're like, oh, fantasy

569
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: is like sex plus another idea, and that would be food.

570
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: And that would be food. And it's chocolate syrup, it's sushi,

571
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: it's whipped cream over constantly just like licking food. It's

572
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: all that. I literally never done this, like ever with

573
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: any relationship. I just remember a good friend of ours

574
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: saying that he once put honey on his asshole for

575
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: a guy, and that guy was like, any of a poof,

576
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't ever do this again. Like this was so weird.

577
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: It was like sticky, and then they're all just like

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: stuck in there and just like like he has surprised

579
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: him with a little bit of honey and then the

580
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: guy like went down on him and was just like

581
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: oh gross, yeah, no thanks. Have you ever fooded? I'm

582
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: trying to think if I've like whipped creamed maybe for

583
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: may be like a corned beef. Well you know, I

584
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: feel like I think that's like oh like gardinera wheat loaf. No.

585
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe once I like whipped cream, but

586
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: that's also is probably me like also thinking that that's

587
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: something you should do. Yeah, And I mean I'm very

588
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: like I don't like to eat in bad crumbs and

589
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: bad eo growth. Like, no, I'm not yeah, trying to

590
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: bring I'm a messy eater, so I'm not trying to

591
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: bring that in. I guess I could see myself if so,

592
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm with like my lover in Mexico City and like, well,

593
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: you're eating like succulent fruit, super super fresh, like street mango,

594
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: but not just like and then we cut this three

595
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: layer supermarket cake and I rub it all over you, No,

596
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's like the most Entiman's Canadian And then it

597
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the girl Naomi because then she's

598
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: like she gets this no, and she's like loved it.

599
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: And then obviously Sarah is still too nervous to write

600
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: her fantasy. No, She's probably is like, so my fantasy

601
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: was what the stuff we already did fantasy was being watched. Oh,

602
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: was like much more of an actual erotic fantasy I forgot,

603
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: and which is also it's once being watched, but also

604
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: like being able to come out honesty, honesty. There's a

605
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: lot of in this book, fine ending, a lot of diaries,

606
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot of finding notes, a lot of leaving notes

607
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: and like other girls finding them, I mean the physical ephemera, right,

608
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: and what we've lost with the transition to phones. But

609
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: there's this scene in the book where her friend in

610
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: class is like, um, yeah, remember that old upholstered chair

611
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: you gave to me. I found the sex note that

612
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you stuffed inside the cushion, and so now I know

613
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: about you and Naomi and it's like what Yeah, it's

614
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: like what okay, So you're you're writing so many sex

615
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: notes that you're suffering them at random cushions and then

616
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: giving the chairs we already be so queer exchange and

617
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: she's giving herself this friend this old chair that was

618
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: so queer exchange where it's just like I have this.

619
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I have like six used glass dildas and just like

620
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: they have been washed and they are like water soluble,

621
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: and like I will be willing to give you my

622
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: sex swing for thirty or best offer. And it's like

623
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and they're like ledly use like CW warning, just like

624
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I've used this with an AX, like who was like

625
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: who was canceled like in Minneapolis like six months ago. Also,

626
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: it's so classic lesbian um toxic pump about both teaguing,

627
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and Sarah is that like the whole book, they're just

628
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: being like, oh, like and I'm sure this was happening,

629
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Like you know, girls would say like, oh, you know,

630
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I like you, but I'm also still dating a boyfriend.

631
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: We had to be secret. But it also sounds like

632
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: they're kind of breaking hearts whichever way they go, a

633
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit like you think that they're being caroless people

634
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: feeling Yeah, I just mean, I'm sure she like they're

635
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: both breaking each other's hearts. It's like high school Naoe,

636
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: like this girl Naomi who wants to eat cake all

637
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: over her coast to Montreal and gets like a hot

638
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: French boyfriend Frederick and is like, yeah, we're having sex,

639
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: and Sarah's like, I don't want to hear about it,

640
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: and then she's like yeah, I mean I thought it

641
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: was very callous of Naomi to tell no, I agree,

642
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: but then the relationship, I mean it was extremely callous,

643
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: let's say it. And obviously, on some level, you know,

644
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: you do that to let the other person know that

645
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: you do still care about them in this way because

646
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: you like want evidence that they're gonna be hurt by you,

647
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: because like you want to know that like they're gonna

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: be mad, They're gonna be mad, and that they care

649
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: about you because you care about them. But it just

650
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: it still feels mean, it still feels awful. Well, and

651
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: she acted like they had no thing, like their thing

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: was such this just like little girl relationship. Yeah. I mean,

653
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm pro secret. I think everything should

654
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: be kept from everyone at all times and like you

655
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: should really make sure that you are not hurting people's feelings. Um.

656
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: But then Sarah clearly was into their other friend, Naomi

657
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: that she ends up dating, who's like a total raver.

658
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Whit I want to you mean Zoe? Sorry? Yeah, Zoe,

659
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: and she just yeah, And all the rooms that they

660
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: describe are so amazing. It's just like Zoe's room is different.

661
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: It was a huge Bob Marley poster and tons of

662
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: York CDs and this is this is your teenage years.

663
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: You know you are defined by the post is Hardy

664
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Gall Also amazing scene in this book where they find

665
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: the Murmurs CD at Target when they're like visiting some

666
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: family member and they begged their step dad to buy

667
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: it for them. The Murmurs is Liicia Haley's band, Liice

668
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Haley of Alice l Word and the Dash stepped out

669
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: of so Epic and like sings along with them and

670
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: he's being like, yeah, like you suck like in his

671
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: truck and he's such an ally. I mean, the parental

672
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: support in this book is interesting. You know. It's like

673
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: they listen in to them playing guitar and the parents

674
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, that's amazing, Like you guys

675
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: are so talented, like you should record those, Like they're

676
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: super super encouraging, and it is very like the whole time,

677
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: you're kind of just like, Okay, I'm waiting for like

678
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: the trauma. I'm waiting for something bad to happen, and

679
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like, okay, literally nothing bad ever happens,

680
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: and you're just like, no, that's what was kind of

681
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: that unique trauma. And maybe that's kind of like refreshing

682
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: in a way that it's just honest and they're not

683
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: pretending that they have like this marble experience. But I'm

684
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: a little bit just like, is anything bad ever gonna happen? Well?

685
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it's just like we're trained for a lot

686
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: of these coming out stories to have so much trauma,

687
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know, like in a way,

688
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: it is like, yes, there's a lot of like drama

689
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: because like friends are being like I'm straight, I'm like

690
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, sexuality drama, and like they feel like they

691
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: can't come out, but like they're not getting abused, Like

692
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: there's no like crazy homophobia. Like their friend group seems

693
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: like pretty funky, and there's some like very fun photos

694
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: in the book of like all of them like no,

695
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: and the bullying is like one guy puts gum in

696
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: her hair once. It's just like that's as bad as it. Guess.

697
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh well, there is a scene where they have like

698
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: one homophobic uncle that is very funny, and then the

699
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: aunt calls him a prude because that's when they go

700
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: to that garage style store called the Junkyard's Daughter or whatever,

701
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: and some aunt is like I saw two girls kissing

702
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: And then the uncle's like, what on earth are you

703
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: taking my daughter's like to see? And he gets so

704
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: mad and she was just like stopping such a fucking loser. Yeah,

705
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: and then Tea and Sayre both like do like burst

706
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: out in tears and they're just like screaming him that

707
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: he's being homophobic. I have this image stamped in my

708
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: mind getting off of the Poor Square train station, which

709
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: was my trainstation, and seeing these like two punk girls

710
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: kiss fuck yeah, and they had both had like bob

711
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: those like wigs, either the wigs or bobs, like but

712
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: that punk bob with like a brightly colored dyed hair. Anyway,

713
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: they kissed, and I was like, the fuck can't wait

714
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: to be that? And I think I thought I was

715
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna be so colored bob and so like p and

716
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: leather jackets and the queer community like you come out

717
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: and like you get a girlfriend and it becomes bob

718
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: and suspenders. Yeah. I thought I was like, Okay, so

719
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be exactly that, and I'm also

720
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: going to have like a girlfriend. Mostly, I just thought

721
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: they were both hot, and I think in my mind

722
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: I thought I too was going to be like tiny

723
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: leather jacket. Yeah. This kind of earlier kind of made

724
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: me wonder, like, you know, how much of homosexuality as narcissism, right,

725
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: and how much of that desire is driven by a

726
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: desire to self sexualize? Right? How much is the autoerotic

727
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: because you are okay, Fuco entered the bad because you

728
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: are see you know you are? You are attracted to

729
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: on some level, you are attracted to something that's more

730
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: reflective of you as opposed to something that is more

731
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: you know that you are raised to believe is the

732
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: opposite true, though I would say my type is are

733
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: not me in the end, as in this is the end,

734
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not a sleep But see that I

735
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: was thinking, yeah, as I was interesting, Okay, I actually

736
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: had some thoughts. Yeah, no, ASI was reading this book

737
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of like, I feel like

738
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: you as like this sort of like Staten Island Republican

739
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: or sort of like rarer amongst the lesbian community, because

740
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: you're always just like yeah, like a little fem grow.

741
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: And it's like, I feel like the way that they

742
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: describe me attracted girls is like they're more kind of

743
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: like you know, lesbian's always like oh, they're more attracted

744
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: to other things that aren't necessarily the physical form. And

745
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: it's like the way she spoke when she carried herself,

746
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: the way she walked, the way she talked about semi audit.

747
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Whereas gaymen, for example, I think, are like, you know,

748
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more tend to be, at least in practice,

749
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: maybe more superficial or more. Yeah, they're attracted to what

750
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: they are like, and they're like, oh, I want to

751
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: look like this, and that's also what I'm attracted too.

752
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: Oh so I think lesbians are like that too. They

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: just like mask it, no pun intended more with just

754
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: like random emotional stuff, right, and then that emotional play

755
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: becomes actually gaslighting in and and of itself exactly like I

756
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: feel like, well, you know everyone, each community has their own,

757
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: from Calgary, from Calgary to add northern Calgary to British Columbia, Like, yes,

758
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I think we all so it's I think it's easier.

759
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was like gay guys to be

760
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: like a clone fucker. Well sure, and it's just like

761
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're more like visible and like there's more

762
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: clubs for gay guys, etcetera. Run but I mean just

763
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: like right, it's like when kind of a history of lesbians,

764
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: it's like butch FAM. And then by the seventies everyone

765
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, which FAM is disgusting because like you

766
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't try to look like a man. That was so

767
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: second wave and it got to like Turphy and then

768
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: well okay. This was actually also my other point, which

769
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: was that every single book we've read has done this,

770
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: but when they described like coming into their bodies and

771
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: how awkward they felt, so always this insane thing where

772
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: they're just like bragging about how thin they are, how

773
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: small they are, but how tall they and just being like, yeah,

774
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: I had these like huge breasts that were so feminine,

775
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: so I had to hide them because I was so tiny,

776
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and everyone thought I was like this tiny little boy,

777
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: and I was this tiny little girl and I was

778
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: so tall and tiny and thin and small and had

779
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: this long brown hair I was hiding undercoats that it

780
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: was a highening address. Io with long hair was so glas.

781
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I was a model and I couldn't be. My only difference,

782
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I fully agree with you. The only difference with this

783
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: is that like they are gay. So it's like their

784
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: style was massive, huge band T shirts and huge gans,

785
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: which interesting is I do feel like that is as

786
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: they describe it. It's like motivated by you know, trying

787
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: to avoid the male gaze and trying to like not

788
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: be seen by men and not be like ougle by

789
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: man or not be like, you know, seen as an

790
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: object of desire by man. And I was like, oh,

791
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: in this way, I feel like lesbians are not quoks.

792
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Wait No, it's like lesbians are not attracted to the

793
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: same thing that like straight men are attracted to in

794
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: the way that gay men and straight women are attracted

795
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: to the same thing. That's very true. Absolutely, well, yeah,

796
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: amazing point. I do think maybe that's been said before,

797
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know what I mean, because it's

798
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: like straight girls and gay guys are both seeking the

799
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: mail gaze. Yeah, they're seeking the mail gaze, and they're

800
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: also maybe like seeing being like oh I want to

801
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: look traumatized by the straight mail gaze and by jocks

802
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: and like by all the guys who stole my mirrors.

803
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: This is also I feel like when I got to college,

804
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: like I didn't get that. I feel like I was

805
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: still kind of like thinking, I don't know, I didn't

806
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: get that, like maybe you did it. I still was

807
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of like in BBNN mindset where I was like,

808
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: you still have to be a size zero and like

809
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: didn't get that like other like girls, I was asleep

810
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: of like did not care. I mean, maybe I'm just

811
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: saying like I'm saying, you usually you don't have to

812
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: be a side for the vibe I'm putting out, like

813
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: I didn't need to be a size zero, but I

814
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: also still all and to this day, like still feel

815
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: insecure sometimes that I don't have that Shane totally androgynous

816
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: like you know, stick thin, you know, like queer way whatever.

817
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm just like, don't have this boy

818
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: body and I'm like trying to put my curvy Sicilian

819
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: body right into And you know, I think Chicago many

820
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: ways is very welcoming of like shapes. And that's why

821
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: SAC is a great destination for me. And I mean

822
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: talking about the reason I went to Sac mostly is

823
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: because I saw the most lesbians there that I did

824
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: when visiting colleges. Wow, that's compared to others. I was

825
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: like no lesbians and mass Art and I guess visited

826
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: like Pratt and then I went to Sac and I

827
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: was like, so a few I'm gonna go here, And

828
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: did you apply to rest? I got wait listed? Sorry sorry,

829
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: but you know what I think it Ristey was a

830
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: little bit straighter. So yeah, I mean Risty reeks of

831
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: hetersexuality as far as I know. I mean, I know

832
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: a lot of gay guys went to Risty. But even

833
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: though I still felt in college there was like my

834
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: very good friend and listenerve of the pod Lauren. But

835
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: like I was always like, we're the lesbians, Like it

836
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: took me a while to find them. Well, but then

837
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: you did find them, and they're in Andersonville and they're yeah,

838
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: and they're all like old, they're all the calves renting

839
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: out their basement. Disabled. There was like one thing. It's

840
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: like there was one old like gay night. Oh what

841
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: was it called? And helping It's not pieces close though,

842
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: has that same sound to it. Oh, it's it's so

843
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: regional gay party. And it's called Chicago fans. Are We're

844
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: losing them by the god we love? No, it's called

845
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: pot parts Like like, oh you're so oh no, go

846
00:42:52,760 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: back to pieces the sisters sat Shape's faces, uh stus.

847
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: This is like another different I feel like that's a

848
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: store in your Campton. Fuck. Oh fuck, I don't know

849
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: it chances Oh yeah, anyway, I don't know. There's more

850
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: gay stuff now, clearly no. And now it's like every

851
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you are under eighteen, like you are

852
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: fully poly and queer. Yeah, everyone's by So this is

853
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: like another section where I felt like Sarah was kind

854
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: of being a very observant writer and I was like, oh, Wow.

855
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I actually relate to that moment, and that's kind of

856
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: an interesting We're Sarah Stones over here, Yeah, big Sarah's

857
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: stands um. So she's in this girl's bedroom that she

858
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: has a crush on, that she's seen at a rave

859
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: in downtown calorie calorie calorie calorie. Wow. Okay, um, diet

860
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: brain um, that she's seen in downtown Calgary, and she

861
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: like thought is hot, but like doesn't know how to

862
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: talk to Okay, So he's eyes dripped from my face,

863
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: her attention slipping through my fingers. Was it possible to

864
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: have a crush on someone when you were supposed to

865
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: love someone else? Because she's like still in love with

866
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: her other Fanami. Sitting underneath the window in Zoe's bedroom,

867
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: I memorized each detail. She was tidy. It seems she'd

868
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: had the same bed since childhood. The wood was worn

869
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: and scuffed at the corners. Her bookshelf was filled with

870
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Bob Marley and York CDs. There was a single photograph

871
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: of her at the dance competition on the wall near

872
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: her bed. Her eyes were rubbed black with mascara, her

873
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: frozen body in a sculptural pose. I tried not to

874
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: stare for too long at anything and forced my eyes

875
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: to move from object to object calmly, and I, you know,

876
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I do. I think that actually is quite a little

877
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: beautiful moment that she describes her of like pretending that

878
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: you're not like observing things like so harshly. Oh my god,

879
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm just hanging out in your room and I'm not

880
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: just like studying this one photograph of you at a

881
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: dance competition and like burning it into my memory. I

882
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: was feeling all of high school is like making sure

883
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: you don't like look like your notice saying that because

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the biggest insult in high school was you have weighed

885
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: too much time on your hands. Oh my god, it's

886
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: like the worst alogue with being called like uh lesbian

887
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: staring at me. If if you were like really interested

888
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: in something or like said something too detailed, someone could

889
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: just be like, whoa, you have like way too much

890
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: shy when your house it's like and you're like, oh

891
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: my god, no, I'm like carrying is like actually like

892
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: only for losers. Yeah, everyone has to act like you

893
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: just don't care like whatever. Um. And it also kind

894
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: of I related to I guess Zoe in this because

895
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like I've been in a piano competition.

896
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Then I was like, why are there no photos of

897
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: me a piano competitions? It just like why wasn't I

898
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: proud of that part of my life? And why did

899
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I try to hide it? Why did you? Um? I

900
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: mean I didn't really ever like win a competition or anything.

901
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: So now the trophy is up. I wasn't so horse

902
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: girl with so many ribbons AKA my sister who had

903
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: like all of her horse ribbons. You know my mother

904
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: I think still has a horse. I mean horse girls.

905
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: They be keeping the ribbons. My mom is a box

906
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: of her like nineteen six horse girl isn't something you

907
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: grow out? Oh no, um, I just want to talk

908
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: before we go to segments about like their lyrics that

909
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: are like so insane and just like also like get

910
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: out of my room. Yeah, there's just like she wasn't

911
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: at school today? Mad at her? When are you coming home?

912
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Don't talk to me, don't talk to me. Fuck you.

913
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like okay now that I remember. Of course, we'll

914
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: pull up my diary one time for the spot. But

915
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: I had so many song lyrics and they never made it.

916
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: They never made it. I mean, now maybe I should

917
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: put them to music. I had a song that it

918
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: was trying to be so punk and like that was

919
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: called mister Politician's Son. Yeah. It was like a fuck

920
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: you too if you were like a rich politician son.

921
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. I was like, you're just mister politician's son,

922
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: like your dad was elect shit, so like you're just

923
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: rich or whatever, like okay, and it's like hoops to

924
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: was I talking about the Yeah, I mean I mean

925
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: even though you like, I mean, I wonder was that

926
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: you kind of listening to like English punk of the Age? Yeah,

927
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: that was anti Thatcher and it was anti Thatcher or

928
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: just like right like anti like kind of ratch little

929
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: boys that got to, you know, be in parliament. Yeah.

930
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: I think that was just me trying to copy other

931
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: punk lyrics and just like you were giving it all

932
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: and like you didn't even work for it. That's how

933
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: it starts. I started doing comedy, you know what I mean.

934
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: We were copying Peretti. We were just doing what we liked,

935
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Dane cook Man, Louie just like I was just doing

936
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: straight Louis sets word for work because I didn't have

937
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: my own material. But you still you find your groove.

938
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: It's just like how you can. Antara were copying the

939
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: hand movements they saw Kurt and Courtney doing on music

940
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: whatever they like Canadian MTV. They keep referring to like

941
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: music CM two were like yeah, but then their lyrics

942
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: did get so I was like, oh my god, I

943
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: can't believe you're exposing like how raw because it would

944
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: just be like like look at you like you don't

945
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: want me, but then behind closed doors like you kiss me.

946
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it was really putting all of

947
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: their like sexy girl on girl stuff on blast. I'm

948
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: saying that takes bravery. No, it takes a lot of

949
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: avery to come out and reference sucks between two women.

950
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: On that note, thanks for coming to garage Wars. Up

951
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: next is a local band, The Segments, and next up

952
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: on Casey RW, it's the all new punk band coming

953
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: out of the underground, The Segments. How does she live? Where? Where? Um? Okay?

954
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: So they wear like Jinkos and whatever the early bands

955
00:48:51,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: now like they're so likeness skinnies, pop leather jacket, button printed.

956
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: I was looking at their merch and like it's all

957
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: these like oversized sweatshirts that's say twin stop and then

958
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: one that's like a pocket tea. See, I'm sorry. That

959
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: is like absolute lobotomy level. I just like twin, that's it, twins,

960
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: like yeah you are yeah. I mean where did they

961
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: have a Paul Frank face? No. I think it was

962
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: like they say, that's like it was like bugle boy.

963
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: I mean what's also weird is I read some article

964
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: with them and they were talking about how like they're

965
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: being so like, oh my style was so bad and

966
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: like high school and being so embarrassed by it, and

967
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: it's like your high school like hesher style of like

968
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: it was way more of an actual style than just

969
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: being like just being like cropped leather jacket like so

970
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: l were gen It's so fully calls back to schools. Well,

971
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: I have to say, I to bring up my famous

972
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: haircut again that I got recently. I almost didn't when

973
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: we didn't get a haircut because Stephen, you sent me

974
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: a teakt and Sarah TikTok and you were like, so

975
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: this is your hair and this is what I'm saying.

976
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: And that's why I didn't invite you to show is

977
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: because you bullied me. Okay, that is there's a difference

978
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: between bullying and guidance. Well, and I didn't get that haircut,

979
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get the tea. You did it, and it

980
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: was a good guardrail. It was so absolutely but you

981
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: sent me that and I was like, I'm just this

982
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: is so embarrassing, Like I'm not even just gonna I'm

983
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: not even gonna get a haircut, like no, but you

984
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: found the specificity in the boat, having the references that

985
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: you needed to get the haircut. That empowered you exactly. No,

986
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I praise you also for sending me

987
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: that photo to kind of steer me. So I say,

988
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, yes, it's a bullying, but I needed it.

989
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: It's a steer. It's a bully steer, a bully steer.

990
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: What do they eat? I mean, now, I just bet

991
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: they're like so juice and like vegan, like but like

992
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: also making you know, like I'm sure I'm going to

993
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: get accused of regionalism again like buy our fan base,

994
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: but like I don't just feel like Canada is not

995
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: a country where the people are really that into food. Well,

996
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: but now they're like famous and like rock stars. So

997
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: I just don't think that like Canadians tend to grow up.

998
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, even like what Montreal, You're like I love

999
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: poutine and it's like cool like black seed bagels. Well

1000
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: they're not montrelium and they're not there. Yeah, it's mostly

1001
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: they're talking about like yeah, I mean in the book

1002
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: they eat like chicken uggets their teens and like pizza.

1003
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: And now I mean they are like pretty thin. I

1004
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: feel like they're like going to just like going to

1005
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: a micro brewery with other lesbians and they're having three

1006
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: sliders in their fall. Yeah. Done. And then at home

1007
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: it's like a fun salad. And I think like when

1008
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: they are in a relationship, they're making a complex Indian

1009
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: meal yes once, yep, and just being like, oh so

1010
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: much fun. Um, Emmy and I made tikama salah, we

1011
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: made chapattis and and someone's like, oh, oh, how do

1012
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: they live? How do they live? Um? I mean I

1013
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: watch some of write their tiktoks. It seems like kind

1014
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: of like Ski. It's like I don't want to say

1015
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: Ski condo, but it is this Canadian I'm getting get

1016
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: this Canadian viber. It's like it's minimalist. It's huge, huge, sectional,

1017
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: but like there's not there's a lot, there's space, there's dimension,

1018
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: but it's not so full of like Kuka. I feel

1019
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: like they're not like such like cabridge crunchy collectors. No,

1020
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: it seems a little more sterile. I think like there's

1021
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: definitely like a room with all their platinum records. I'm

1022
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: sure they have some random art that's kind of pop

1023
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: art esque. I mean they have like some framed like

1024
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: cool graphic work from like another y. Yeah, one of

1025
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: them does have like insane insanely cute Scottish fold cats,

1026
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: which are only three thousand dollars. So oh and they're

1027
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: from just like an exclusive Catorie. Yeah. I bet they

1028
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: also have like chic cat even thinking that Scottish folds

1029
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: are so fucking cute. Yeah, they're the cutest and they

1030
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: always are literally that like docile anyway, you know what

1031
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they have like minimal like cat chic

1032
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: Catorie stuff, right, Okay, so they have theywer that Scandinavian

1033
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: litter box that you enter through the top and it's

1034
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: just like so minimal and would um, who are you

1035
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: in the book? This is kind of hard because I

1036
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: was like, maybe I'm Tigan, but like maybe I'm just Bruce,

1037
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: their stepdad who like is always blasting Springsteen and turning

1038
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: his shirts into muscle shirts. But like I mean inspiration

1039
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: a style icon. I think I'm one of someone being

1040
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: inspired by their style or it's like, oh, you're not

1041
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: like spending so many years building a model home and

1042
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: and I know, like working a factory, calling Kirkcobaina faggot

1043
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. Yeah, I mean I kind of feel

1044
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: like you're Tigan in some ways. But I guess you

1045
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: weren't fake dating a guy, so maybe I'm more Sarah.

1046
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: But Sarah, they both fake date a guy. I guess

1047
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm I mean you do honestly, Like in some way,

1048
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: it's like your middle school steff does look like them,

1049
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I know that's like long brunette hair, and

1050
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: they're like a big like funky tea or like a

1051
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: middle tea. Then they do a choker necklace. So I

1052
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: mean I think I'm a mix of them. Like I

1053
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: don't think I was as get out of my room.

1054
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: But okay, no, I actually think I'm Sarah. I think

1055
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm Sarah because I feel like she was earlier knowing

1056
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: she was gay. I'm like, yes, having so many crushes,

1057
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: yes done, and you hello, she's so writing notes and

1058
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: you were so keeping a crazy diary, right, and I'm

1059
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: stuffing them in chairs, and he was always like having

1060
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: you let your paper and you're still I'm still finding

1061
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: random note plicks of yours and like random corners, like

1062
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: you are a mad scrawler and like maybe I want

1063
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: people to find those scrolls exactly, and that's like that's

1064
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: the desire, that's the root I desire, leaving them out

1065
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: beneath the hiding. Okay, I am h I mean I

1066
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of think you're Naomi. Oh my god, thank you. Yeah,

1067
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: of course I'm hello you. I mean like, actually have

1068
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: a boyfriend and you're like sending photos and mean like yeah,

1069
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: we like slept together. But you're also like she's always

1070
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: like Naomi was so good at studying and articulate, and

1071
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: like you are a nerd and like you did get

1072
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: a's and like you know what I mean, Like I

1073
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: feel like and Naomi was always like mad at her

1074
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: when she did drugs, which was so you also told me,

1075
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: And I was actually freaking out at all my friends

1076
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: being just like you are going to be unemployed. Stop

1077
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: smoking weed. It's disgusting. Favorite quote of Stephen ever, when

1078
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: I smoked weed um with his brother. We were in

1079
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: high school. And Steven goes you basement living girlfriend, not

1080
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: having loser. So I was pretty cringe. So I guess,

1081
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: like we're hooking up, right because you're Sarah and I'm Naomi, right,

1082
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: but now we're still best friends even though we're not

1083
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: hooking up anymore. But so yeah, I'm glad I'm not.

1084
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm also glad that I'm not because I was worried

1085
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: that I might be the drama teacher she describes as

1086
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: like really a feat and like everyone like spread rumors

1087
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: about a sexuality and he did nothing to dispel them,

1088
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: and that he also like kind of helped her out

1089
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: when you like cried because someone like was being oh

1090
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: there's that one billing seeing right where someone was calling

1091
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: someone like saying like all gay people get aids, right,

1092
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: and he was like kind of comforting them, but also

1093
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: but he was protecting himself. No, you're not that quiet

1094
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: gay trauma teacher. Thank you. Yeah, you're the like girl

1095
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: beyond because didn't also Naomi like put the moves on

1096
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: Sarah first. She did, yeah, when they were in bed

1097
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: a little addressor yeah, I maybe I do make the move. Yeah,

1098
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: but sometimes I'm like quay at, Well, then you're not

1099
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe then I'm so biting a lith and like making

1100
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: him make the move. That's my whole thing. It's leaning

1101
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: like forward but away, that's my move. And then I'm

1102
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: like wait, like fuck, Like I love Naomi, but like

1103
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: why am I so into this raver right? You're leaving

1104
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: things that will never happen wish and that's us. Yeah.

1105
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean I give this book like three out of

1106
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: five cassette tapes. I feel like it is a young

1107
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: adult novel. It's like more. I don't know, I didn't

1108
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: like three out of five. I'm just saying, like I

1109
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: didn't get anything that I want out of a memoir.

1110
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything about their rights to fame. I

1111
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: didn't get anything about the music in memoir. I didn't

1112
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: get any gossip. I didn't. I like it was full

1113
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: of gossip. Gossip about their like gossip about their stal

1114
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: like teen relationships with their friends, like like not like

1115
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: gossip about like becoming like famous or like the music industry.

1116
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: You have it, you know. It's just like you're the

1117
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: gay guy and you're looking for gossip about you know,

1118
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: like Coachella, and I was like literally stealing off like

1119
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: to not talk to people to read this. My head

1120
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: was buried. I was like, I literally felt talking about it.

1121
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I was like, am I ready to talk about my

1122
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: diary today? Like I was just really taken. I give

1123
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: it like four point five maple leafs out of five

1124
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: maple leafs. Wow, I was obsessed. I was paid for

1125
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: discrepancy in the celebrity book club world. But I mean

1126
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: to that point, it's like, how much are you willing

1127
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: to protect? You know, your experience to the book, and

1128
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: that's how much you can take away, and you know,

1129
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: think very fittingly, the cover of the book is a mirror,

1130
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: a mirror shouldn't even talk about so and it's kind

1131
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: of a twisted mirror. Yeah, but you know this right,

1132
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: this is not your liver now. This is much more

1133
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: of a queer Ya. But this is also better than

1134
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of other random queer YA

1135
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: stuff that is like shitty. I guess I haven't really

1136
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: read a lot of queer YA, so I can't speak

1137
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: to that. This also makes sense because you like don't

1138
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: like novels, and you like addiction, and this like is

1139
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: much more reads like a fiction book. So well, actually,

1140
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: as I've said, the only way I'll read fiction if

1141
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: it involves like spies, murdered, detectives, politics, like you'll read it,

1142
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: you'll read up on sex. Yeah, but it has to be.

1143
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: But if it is fiction has to be like if

1144
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: this was a book about two gay boy twins, r no,

1145
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: not even no that come on, no, I would need

1146
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: some other intrigue level intrigue. And they were twins and

1147
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: they were like fucking friends. And this there is they

1148
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: are fucked in the shower. There is that one scene

1149
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: where she says, we made each other feel good. Okay, no, Stephen,

1150
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: I want okay, I want penetration. Always just talking about it.

1151
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: She was like yeah, and she touched my place. It's

1152
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: like it's two No, this is why, and this is

1153
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: go back to why I hate always speaking. They make

1154
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: you do all the work. I don't want to sit

1155
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: there and imagine, like and I have an imagination. You

1156
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: to tell me what things are. I want you to

1157
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: say the full Okay, they're clipsing the door, They're they're

1158
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: going away down her pussy. I was four fingers in.

1159
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: She was writhing, you know what I mean, Like, I

1160
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: guess sorry, I couldn't imagine that they were four fingers

1161
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: in when they locked the door in their Alberta Lake

1162
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: hids and they were like, we're going to bed, and

1163
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: then her and Alex were draping their legs over each other.

1164
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: It's like they were I'm saying, I'm sitting, They're going.

1165
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're Canadian lesbians in their parents room.

1166
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: Maybe there's no fingers in. Maybe they're just fully admittance

1167
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: and they're just rubbing. All right, Well, you know what,

1168
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: make your own freaking decision of whether you want to

1169
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: read this or not. M Yeah, Ultimately, like life is

1170
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: about free fucking well, yeah, and just like you can

1171
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: go to Mark Jacobs and not read it and have

1172
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: no imagination, or you could like maybe come up with

1173
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: shit that's in a book and you actually just want

1174
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: to go like watch a TV show or a movie

1175
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: or make music. Thank you? Actually, why don't you fucking

1176
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: record a song and contribute something to the world rather

1177
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: than just fucking consuming. Wow, I'm gonna go home to

1178
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: my electric guitar. Jealous, No, because your piano. Actually, because

1179
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: I have an electric fucking keyboard that has hundreds of

1180
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: sounds on it. Okay, next week we are reading none

1181
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: other than Boston Celtics legend Kevin god next, How fucking yeah,

1182
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: my hero brought rings to fucking Boston for the first

1183
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: time flags I mean not the first time, but okay,

1184
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of rings, recent rings, a

1185
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of points rings, a lot of baskets and hoops.

1186
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: He is the object of every woman's desire. Also in

1187
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: Uncut Gems maybe you heard of it? Yeah? And also

1188
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: this is this is a hot new release. It comes

1189
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: out tomorrow. We don't have any of the books in

1190
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: my hands. Yeah, oh yeah, And I'm sorry, is it

1191
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: peg to Saint Patty's Day? Maybe it is? Oh yeah,

1192
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: nine stuff we're gonna be I'm gonna bring so much

1193
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: green beer over here, remember that seeing Patty's went to

1194
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: that weird political brunch at like nine am and got

1195
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: so wasted. Save that for okay, save that, save that. Okay,

1196
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: best friend, Amazing time, amazing time. See you in Toronto. Yep,

1197
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Speaker 1: I have a show by Best Celebrity Book Club is

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Speaker 1: presented by Pro Projects and Headgum. The show is produced

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: by Meg murnain and she drives me fucking crazy. I

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: don't know why. With that editorial support from Andrew Parsons

1201
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: and Leon fucking NaYF Hawk shit he Broke My Heart.

1202
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: Engineering by Ferris Monchey, original theme song by Stephen Phillips,

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