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Speaker 1: wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Derek Eagleton. It
Speaker 1: is Thursday, August twenty fourth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number twenty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Got a lot to talk about this morning.
Speaker 1: We'll start with a little bit of news and then
Speaker 1: I have a new game I'm gonna play with you
Speaker 1: guys that I'm gonna roll out. It's called We're Good Here.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in just a few minutes. Now
Speaker 1: to Jason Witten, I know, we'll talk about that in
Speaker 1: just a minute. Get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But before we get there, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about practice. Yesterday. Cowboys had a lot of players not
Speaker 1: out there practicing yesterday. Dave, I saw you wrote a
Speaker 1: little something about it. Tell Usue was out and if
Speaker 1: there was anybody that was that that fans should be
Speaker 1: concerned about that didn't practice, wasn't out, Derek. I did
Speaker 1: some quick math. Nineteen guys miss practice yesterday for one
Speaker 1: reason or another. That's twenty percent of the roster, the
Speaker 1: ninety man roster, which I didn't do the math on
Speaker 1: what that would be for fifty three. But it's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys um. But it's really not nothing overly
Speaker 1: that should really jump off the page. I think the
Speaker 1: big one is probably Charles Tapper. He missed he suffered
Speaker 1: a neck injury on I lost track of my days
Speaker 1: on two on Monday because yesterday was Tuesday. No, it's yes,
Speaker 1: it was Wednesday, so to have been Tuesday. Heard his
Speaker 1: neck on Tuesday. He misspractice Wednesday. Jason Garrett said that
Speaker 1: X rays and stuff were negative, which is positive always
Speaker 1: a funny wording. M Garrett said, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: day by day situation, so it's not something that they're
Speaker 1: willing to you know, they're not ruling him out for
Speaker 1: days or weeks. It's just a matter of how quickly
Speaker 1: they can get that stiffness out of his neck um.
Speaker 1: Other than that, a lot of veteran days orlander Scandrick
Speaker 1: des Bryant, Jason went and Shaan Lee, Um, Darren McFadden,
Speaker 1: all those guys that usually rest rested. You still got
Speaker 1: all your hammy problems in the secondary, but nothing new.
Speaker 1: Um speaking of those handy problems, Nick the uh. It
Speaker 1: was interesting yesterday I thought that coach Marinelli called it
Speaker 1: a bit of a dilemma that those guys were missing
Speaker 1: as much time as they were, and he was talking
Speaker 1: about how, you know, it's they have to get used
Speaker 1: to this speed. He said. I think the quote was
Speaker 1: the angles changed quickly here in the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of thinking about it from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: getting used to the ability to make those tackles and
Speaker 1: open field tackles because of the speed of the game.
Speaker 1: We're a little bit surprised he used that word dilemma
Speaker 1: because you know, Jason tends to stay away from words
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, but I mean, but he's a real coach,
Speaker 1: you know two, I mean he I mean, but he's
Speaker 1: he's an old time saying. Oh no, I mean Garrett.
Speaker 1: They have different agendas. I mean Garrett, and they have
Speaker 1: different ways of going about right right, And I mean
Speaker 1: Garrett knows it's a dilemma. And it's a problem. He
Speaker 1: knows it is. I mean, he may not say it
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want he doesn't want it to be
Speaker 1: like you know a headline that says that he thinks
Speaker 1: it's an issue. But it has to be because you've
Speaker 1: got guys that you are going to count on to
Speaker 1: make the team that aren't playing and they've never played before.
Speaker 1: So just like coach McNally says, it's hard to, you know,
Speaker 1: get them to figure out how to play football when
Speaker 1: they've never done it in the NFL. So, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna make the team. And then meanwhile, you got guys
Speaker 1: like Duke Thomas and Mark Quez White that are playing
Speaker 1: and you know they're starting, and Leon McFadden's out there
Speaker 1: getting reps so and it's like, you know, you want
Speaker 1: these guys to play because they're gonna be on the
Speaker 1: roster and they're not gonna be ready when Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: and Brandon Marshall and whoever else comes down. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they're future all pros. If Jordan Lewis, Cheeto
Speaker 1: Woozier and Xavier Woods don't get some reps between now
Speaker 1: and Week one, I don't know how useful they're going
Speaker 1: to be and they need them to be useful, right
Speaker 1: I mean, well yeah, I mean I just listed off
Speaker 1: three of probably ten defensive backs that they'll carry. I
Speaker 1: think all the three of those guys, I know two
Speaker 1: of them are making the team. I really feel confident
Speaker 1: that Xavier Woods will as well. So that's a third
Speaker 1: of your available secondary once one of those could be
Speaker 1: I'm looking at and thinking about, like a guy like
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods could be an inactive though. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that I think if Jordan Lewis gets to the regular
Speaker 1: season without having gone through a practice, I think he
Speaker 1: would be when an inactive too. Right. So, and that's
Speaker 1: your dilemma is that you're you're not able to lean
Speaker 1: on guys that you need to be able to lean on.
Speaker 1: One good bit of news for the Cowboys yesterday justin
Speaker 1: Durant back at practice. He is they just activated him
Speaker 1: what was it last week off of pup and and
Speaker 1: then yesterday he's back at practice. Where's he playing right now?
Speaker 1: And how much did he did he take part yesterday?
Speaker 1: I didn't really see a whole lot from him. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's probably a plan on that a little week side,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's a backup guy that I feel
Speaker 1: like they they signed because of Damien Wilson's uncertain future.
Speaker 1: So you know, it took him a lot longer than
Speaker 1: I thought it would take a veteran to get ready.
Speaker 1: But I think it's training. I think that's part of
Speaker 1: the plan for him. I mean, he could have he
Speaker 1: could have signed with anybody earlier, you know, or he
Speaker 1: could have signed with the Cowboys earlier. But I think
Speaker 1: his plan was to kind of do it as he
Speaker 1: as he did. And if you happen to miss training camp,
Speaker 1: you have to miss training camp. I don't know this
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if he winds up as one of those better
Speaker 1: in day guys going into the season as well, because
Speaker 1: his whole thing is as sorry Amber, his whole thing
Speaker 1: has always been durability. So I don't mind that if
Speaker 1: you say better in day guys, But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden, Orlando Scanner, these got I mean, these guys
Speaker 1: are sitting and resting and not going through the rigors
Speaker 1: of practice every day, and I bet I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if that continues during the season. A little bit
Speaker 1: too just I mean, you know what these guys can do.
Speaker 1: And I put Justin Durant on that list as well.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a pro bowler, but he's an
Speaker 1: eleven year veteran. He's been here for two or three.
Speaker 1: I think he's played three seasons here. You know what
Speaker 1: he can do. His big problem has always been that
Speaker 1: he doesn't ever finish the season. So do what you
Speaker 1: can to help him finish the season. For a guy
Speaker 1: like Tyring, I mean, they're gonna have to just manage
Speaker 1: his writing. That recurring back is something they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to manage. Right, Actually, I got an answer for you,
Speaker 1: Stephen Paia is the same thing with his name. It's
Speaker 1: not like a manage, not a specific injury that he's suffered.
Speaker 1: It's just a thing that he deals with. So that'll
Speaker 1: probably be something that you see during the season as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, okay, let's get into our game. And I
Speaker 1: know Amber, this is usually your area. We usually leave
Speaker 1: the games to you, but I thought we'd play this
Speaker 1: little game. I call it. We're good here, And here's
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna throw out a player
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys had on their roster last year, and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, whether he left in free agency or retired,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that guy that left, and then the
Speaker 1: guy that was brought in presumably to replace him. We
Speaker 1: in some instances we'll talk a little bit about the money.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I want you guys to be able to tell me
Speaker 1: we're good here. Is this a good move for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Is it seemed like after five weeks of training camp
Speaker 1: seem like the Cowboys good in this spot? Or are
Speaker 1: they really really gonna miss the player that is no
Speaker 1: longer here? All right, we got it? Everybody good? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's start first with our favorite Ron Leary.
Speaker 1: He moved on to the Denver Broncos. He received a
Speaker 1: four year, thirty six million dollar contract, and twenty four
Speaker 1: million of that is guaranteed, So he got paid some
Speaker 1: significant money. And I'm not quite sure that Cowboys could
Speaker 1: have matched that kind of offer with all the money
Speaker 1: they already have on their offensive line to replace him.
Speaker 1: We've seen Jonathan Cooper out there, We've seen Jazz Green
Speaker 1: out there, We've seen Byron Bell. I don't think Byron
Speaker 1: Bell and you can disagree, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna end up in that spot. It is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those other two, and I would
Speaker 1: assume it's gonna be Jonathan Cooper. All that being said,
Speaker 1: we're good here at the left guard position. Oh no way,
Speaker 1: you're horrible here. Compared to that, you have a great
Speaker 1: player who was I think one of the more underrated
Speaker 1: players on the team. Um, and he's you know, I
Speaker 1: really didn't realize how big, like how much he helped
Speaker 1: this offensive line until he left. Like I had no
Speaker 1: idea how good he was until he was gone. And
Speaker 1: now we're here struggling. I'm still like, we know Chas
Speaker 1: Green his whole deal with injuries and whether he's gonna
Speaker 1: stay healthy or not, blah blah blah. But then Jonathan Cooper,
Speaker 1: he's been doing okay, but it's not definitely not the
Speaker 1: same as too when he was here. Can I talk
Speaker 1: out the both sides of my mouth a little bit? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we're not all the time. We're not there. You we're
Speaker 1: not good here. But what were they supposed to do? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they didn't do what you gotta do
Speaker 1: to keep her on Leary that's not smart or feasible.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't have paid him that to stay here.
Speaker 1: That's not when you can. They are the resources that
Speaker 1: are already on your offensive line and the other needs
Speaker 1: that you have. So yeah, left guard is a little
Speaker 1: bit troublesome. But the alternative, what's the alternative? And so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sitting here thinking the Cowboys screwed up.
Speaker 1: It's just that's the nature of the NFL. That's how
Speaker 1: the salary cap works. It basically prevents you from being
Speaker 1: strong at every position. I mean, you can argue that
Speaker 1: they made they made a mistake on this two years
Speaker 1: ago when they just had to play Lyo Collins out
Speaker 1: of position, thinking that he was better, and they they
Speaker 1: benched run Leary early in the season after he got
Speaker 1: hurt and then just kept Collins there. I think maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, if you would have played Leary there, you
Speaker 1: might have been able to do something differently contract wise,
Speaker 1: if they wanted to go that route. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's probably all you could you could say. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you can't pay everybody. Some contracts have to
Speaker 1: run out. His did let's test the market. He tested it.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of money. I mean, what can
Speaker 1: he do really at that point other than playing him
Speaker 1: early and maybe having a little bit more foresight that
Speaker 1: he was much better. But at all hindsight is twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Because when Lyle Collins signed here and everybody knew he
Speaker 1: was a top fifteen talent, I don't think you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people who thought like Lyle didn't deserve to
Speaker 1: get a look over ron Learry. Just my virtue of
Speaker 1: talent alone. But I don't agree with what Amber said
Speaker 1: about I don't really see it until until he left,
Speaker 1: because we saw it last year he was when dominant,
Speaker 1: when the offensive lion were started getting those third downs.
Speaker 1: Now maybe Zeke had a big, big part of that
Speaker 1: as well. I think the combination of that Leary in
Speaker 1: there Zeke, so I think we kind of saw it.
Speaker 1: But I think the difference, and this is the area
Speaker 1: why I think Amber's right, is it became apparent like
Speaker 1: it was very easy to see when you see them
Speaker 1: in one on one drills and last year you see
Speaker 1: Ronald Leary and it was there's a big difference between
Speaker 1: what Ronald Learry could do in those kinds of drills
Speaker 1: versus what you see from Cooper. Now, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: In the season, yes, Ronald Leary was one. I thought
Speaker 1: he played extremely well some games. He was the best
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I mean, and that's saying something with that group,
Speaker 1: but I see what he's saying. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I think you get five six weeks into this season,
Speaker 1: I have a suspicion this is not going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. And I've said this from the beginning. What
Speaker 1: he has at left tackle, what he has at center,
Speaker 1: whoever is in there at left guard. Because of what
Speaker 1: he has around him, I think he's good enough for
Speaker 1: this not to be a big problem for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but you've set yourself up relatively nicely.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's not ideal. They're not as good
Speaker 1: as they were there last year, but you've got two
Speaker 1: pretty solid options to choose from. I think one way
Speaker 1: or another, they'll be man, it'll be okay, right, and
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't be surprised if they turned back to
Speaker 1: the draft to try to address this next year. Right.
Speaker 1: So it's not like you're in the wilderness where you
Speaker 1: don't have a guard like so many years before this, right,
Speaker 1: what I was telling Nick the other day, you know,
Speaker 1: before we got to the draft, this was of an
Speaker 1: area that I was not concerned about at all, and
Speaker 1: I only began getting concerned about it was when I
Speaker 1: heard someone over from that side talk about how concerning
Speaker 1: they were, Yeah, on the football side, talk about how
Speaker 1: they were concerned about this position. And then until then,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well crap, if they're concerned, then I'm
Speaker 1: concerned too, now, you know. So I think and people
Speaker 1: like on Twitter sending a lot of questions, you know,
Speaker 1: like what's the deal with this offensive line? Like let's
Speaker 1: stop talking about it. It's not a big deal, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But I thought the same thing, the same
Speaker 1: thing until I hear that, and then it turns it
Speaker 1: into something concerning. And you talking about Runner Leady, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said he was like an underrated player, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm referring to. You know, he was great, but
Speaker 1: not many people talked about him. Yeah, and I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got some some people that think Jonathan
Speaker 1: Cooper is going to be really really good over there.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just all about an opinion, and
Speaker 1: you're right. We'll see what happens when you get to
Speaker 1: the season. But I think the big issue with Cooper
Speaker 1: or is it Chaz Green or Byron Bell, whoever it is,
Speaker 1: stay away from the penalties. I mean, because that you know,
Speaker 1: you get beat, you get a ten yard penalty and
Speaker 1: holds you back and pushes everybody back. If you can
Speaker 1: just kind of hang in there and you'll get help,
Speaker 1: because you know Frederick will have his guy and tire
Speaker 1: and I'll have his guy. You should be in good,
Speaker 1: good position. Just don't hold. Don't hold when it's down
Speaker 1: there at the fourteen yard line, first and ten, and
Speaker 1: now it's back at the twenty four and now you're
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey. Just get ready, all right, let's move on
Speaker 1: to the next position. It stays on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Dub Free, who had been the perennial whipping boy around
Speaker 1: here when you talk to about the offensive line for
Speaker 1: the last several years, retired and then Lyle Collins makes
Speaker 1: them move out. Nick. I heard you say a little
Speaker 1: earlier in you when we were talking about the guard position,
Speaker 1: you thought he may be played out of position at guard,
Speaker 1: which makes me assume that you mean that he's a
Speaker 1: better tackle. Uh you're looking at what you've seen over
Speaker 1: these first five weeks of preseason and training camp. We're
Speaker 1: good here left at right tackle, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you're you're gonna be really good. Um,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to you have to go through it.
Speaker 1: I mean he's relatively he's not a rookie at all,
Speaker 1: but he's he's young right tackle that hasn't played it,
Speaker 1: uh and since college. I think that he's I like
Speaker 1: the way he plays. He's gonna get beat sometimes, but
Speaker 1: he plays with a mean, nasty streak that I think
Speaker 1: Doug Free played with at times, I think Colombo played with.
Speaker 1: And so he'll get better and better. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think they'll be good Amber. Oh yeah, definitely good.
Speaker 1: We're good here. Yeah. Um no, my thoughts. You know, doctor,
Speaker 1: he was a good player. He was good. But I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys are struggling without not having him here.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a very just one of those
Speaker 1: guys that you can just count on and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be there and do his job. And but I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from that, I think they're good. They're good here
Speaker 1: in time, Like I'd be surprised if he's dominant just
Speaker 1: right away, you know. And I think that's played out
Speaker 1: at training camp. Is you see flashes we were watching together.
Speaker 1: He kicked to Marcus Lawrence's butt a lot yesterday. But
Speaker 1: then he'll turn around and get just absolutely Docy Dode
Speaker 1: a couple times in a road too. So in time,
Speaker 1: like he's he has the potential to be dominant, and
Speaker 1: you see it, but he doesn't have the consistency yet.
Speaker 1: And he's never played right tackle before, so I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go out there and bulldoze everybody right away.
Speaker 1: But in time, I think they'll be good. I think
Speaker 1: one of his biggest strengths is his weakness right now
Speaker 1: is that I think he is trying to dominate everyone.
Speaker 1: He is trying to throw people to the ground sometimes
Speaker 1: I think when when that's his mindset, to kind of
Speaker 1: get his hands on people, you know, and and get
Speaker 1: him down, h that's where he can he can miss.
Speaker 1: He sometimes he does try to block with his hands
Speaker 1: and not his feet, and so I think that when
Speaker 1: he gets you know, when he gets the pause on him,
Speaker 1: he can knock him down. And we've seen it. We've
Speaker 1: seen good defensive tackles just get thrown around. But we've
Speaker 1: also seen or being good defensive ends. But we've also
Speaker 1: seen some good average defensive end beat him with spend
Speaker 1: moves and things like that. So he's just got to
Speaker 1: work on technique. But I think I agree with Dave.
Speaker 1: With time, he'll be good. All right, Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the safety position. Barry Church he moves on to the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Huh, it's a good one. It is a
Speaker 1: good one. He actually got a four year, twenty six
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, twelve million guaranteed, so significant money for safety.
Speaker 1: Jeff heat is going to be the guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: be tapped to replace him as the second safety in
Speaker 1: this defense. They kind of move those safeties around, you
Speaker 1: know a little bit. But all that being said, do
Speaker 1: you think we're good here? Safety position? All right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: eventually will will go go ahead, go ahead, I'll say
Speaker 1: not yet. No, I haven't seen I haven't seen Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath to be better than by Barry Church. I thought
Speaker 1: he would be. I thought he I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: he would be a little bit further along. But you know,
Speaker 1: they've only played spot duty here in the preseason when
Speaker 1: they're trying to be really vanilla. So uh, it's it
Speaker 1: might be a tad early to evaluate him, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't made really plays that stand out. Can I qualify
Speaker 1: that just a little bit. Put that in the context
Speaker 1: of the money that was paid to Bury Church. When
Speaker 1: you factor that in, do you think you'll get comparable play?
Speaker 1: Maybe not as good as Barry Church, but comparable play
Speaker 1: for a lot less money. Oh yeah, I mean if
Speaker 1: we're throwing money in there, yeah, that's a part of it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean we have so much money you can spend
Speaker 1: under the cap, right yeah. But I look at it like,
Speaker 1: when when it's time to make the play, make the tackle,
Speaker 1: are you are you going to be as good as
Speaker 1: what you were? So yeah, if you're throwing in money,
Speaker 1: which is a factor there. But I mean, I'll answer
Speaker 1: it this way. I don't think that that Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: is on Burry Church's level right now, and I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys might miss that tackling. I'm I'm conflicted. I
Speaker 1: think before training camp I argued with you and I
Speaker 1: buried Church is an above average player. I didn't say great,
Speaker 1: but you were tinkering with I was no, I was
Speaker 1: tinkering with I said, he's not a Pro Bowl caliber player.
Speaker 1: But he's pretty damn good and I still believe that.
Speaker 1: But by I don't think of Barry Church as like
Speaker 1: this playmaker. He's the steady, reliable guy. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: the tackle when the running back gets to the second
Speaker 1: or third level. He's going to keep the eight yard
Speaker 1: gain from being a twenty five yard game. He's not
Speaker 1: great in past coverage, but he's usually not the reason
Speaker 1: why there's a forty yard touchdown. That's what I defined
Speaker 1: as a solid guy, right, He's solid. And so I
Speaker 1: don't think Jeff Heath is as good as Bury Church yet,
Speaker 1: But I also don't think that there's just this incredible
Speaker 1: presence lacking in the Cowboys secondary. I think Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: can probably do those things. Maybe he won't do him
Speaker 1: as well, and you know, I don't. The safety position
Speaker 1: is not better than it was last year, but through
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far, I don't think it's significantly
Speaker 1: worse either. But the thing about Heath, though, and I
Speaker 1: think Nick you're the one that said this, I think
Speaker 1: I've heard you say this before. He is a guy
Speaker 1: that can make some plays for He's made a few
Speaker 1: plays in his career and so from that stampoint, if
Speaker 1: he can be as consistent a tackler as Barry Church,
Speaker 1: then maybe there's an opportunity for him to be better.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he will be, because again I'm I
Speaker 1: wish they would have done a little bit more at
Speaker 1: the safety position personally. But if you want to just
Speaker 1: play devil's advocate here, you look at the fact that
Speaker 1: he can make some plays from time to time. If
Speaker 1: he can be a solid tackler, he could be as
Speaker 1: good as Barry Church. Right, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 1: I think the safety position is going to look a
Speaker 1: lot like it did last year. And if it does
Speaker 1: look better, it's gonna be because Byron Jones makes the leap.
Speaker 1: It'll be him that raises the level of that position
Speaker 1: more so than Jeff. I mean, Jeff's fine, he's solid,
Speaker 1: but you know, if there's a a whole ton of
Speaker 1: crazy plays coming out of that area of the field,
Speaker 1: I think it'll be Byron more likely because he has
Speaker 1: looked really good at camp, were good here Amber, I
Speaker 1: think so. I just don't see them being worse than
Speaker 1: last year. You know, I think either they're gonna be
Speaker 1: similar or a little better. I don't know what you
Speaker 1: guys think about Jeff Heath though beginning of camp there
Speaker 1: was a lot of hype about him, and now it's
Speaker 1: kinda started to die down, and I'm seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of questions from Twitter people asking like, what are your
Speaker 1: expectations on him moving forward this year? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna he'll be around the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll make He'll probably have more turnovers. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: fubble recoveries interceptions than than Bury Church. But the way
Speaker 1: you could play Church and move them down into the box,
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more of a valuable player.
Speaker 1: We'll see if Heath can can become that guy or
Speaker 1: they find it in a different way with maybe a
Speaker 1: different type of safety or linebacker. So, you know, Cavon
Speaker 1: Frasier kind of has that that body type a little
Speaker 1: bit like Church. We'll see if he has the instincts
Speaker 1: and all that. If you put Cavon in forty two,
Speaker 1: he would look just like, yeah, I think about that
Speaker 1: when I watch him play. Ye. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: check our first break when we come back. We do
Speaker 1: need to talk about guys like Brandon Carr to real McClain,
Speaker 1: Morris Clayborne and maybe even a little bit Lance, But
Speaker 1: Lance Dunbar, we'll do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: Back second segment of the Break Life from the SWBC
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Speaker 1: We're talking were good. The name of the game is
Speaker 1: we Good. Here we're talking about different players the Cowboys
Speaker 1: let walk this offseason and the guys that have been
Speaker 1: brought in to replace them. Let's keep going down on
Speaker 1: the list. Brandon Cars the next guy up. He went
Speaker 1: to the Baltimore Ravens, got a four year, twenty three
Speaker 1: point five million dollars deal, four million of that being guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Cowboys in turn signed Nolan Carroll from the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: They signed him to a three year, ten million dollar deal,
Speaker 1: where three million of that is guaranteed. I thought, initially,
Speaker 1: I thought when we had talked about this before, I
Speaker 1: thought there was a big discrepancy in their contracts because
Speaker 1: you look at the big number of the twenty three
Speaker 1: point five million in Brandon's contract, but when you look
Speaker 1: at the guarantees, it's really only a million dollar difference.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Baltimore decided they went to part ways
Speaker 1: after this year, I don't know that they lose a
Speaker 1: whole lot of money on that deal. All that being said,
Speaker 1: though we've seen Nolan Carroll practice out here with this
Speaker 1: team for five weeks. We're good here. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't, not relative to what they they've had.
Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of knew what you're gonna get
Speaker 1: with Brandon Carr m and I still don't know if
Speaker 1: you see that so much with Carol. I think they'll
Speaker 1: be comparable players. But give me, Brandon Carr thinks a
Speaker 1: little bit more physical. He maybe you lose some athletically,
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit more physical, seems more reliable.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to the community, you get a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, you know what you're gonna have,
Speaker 1: and you have a guy that you may be suspended. Say,
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, we don't know for sure
Speaker 1: that Carol will be available for all sixteen games. Brand
Speaker 1: Carr has never missed a game ever ever ever start
Speaker 1: in his career. That I love Brandon Carr. I might
Speaker 1: be biased, I know. I mean, he's he's he's not
Speaker 1: a shutdown corner, but he was much more reliable over
Speaker 1: the last two years he was here than the first
Speaker 1: two or the first three. Um, I think he's a
Speaker 1: little bit better than Carol. He's a commune, upstanding locker
Speaker 1: room guy, like team leader. So now it's yeah, down
Speaker 1: We're in downgrade right now, that's the word I'm looking for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I thought Carol would be a little bit better,
Speaker 1: But after seeing him camp, I'm honestly not feeling great
Speaker 1: about him. My expectations were somewhat higher, and he's not.
Speaker 1: At this point. He's not better than Brandon Card to
Speaker 1: be honest, He's not terrible either for that matter, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good as car, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna he's not very constant either. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw on my broadest impression real quick. And you wanted
Speaker 1: one of these young corners to come out here and
Speaker 1: compete and try to take that job, and it just
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened. That's it, I mean, that's it. I
Speaker 1: mean he was. The draft is after free agency, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna kind of somewhat cover yourself, but then you're
Speaker 1: gonna go and sign, you know, draft other corners and
Speaker 1: hope that one of them can step up, just like
Speaker 1: just like David brought us said right there, thanks, which
Speaker 1: I but you could have gone Kevin King in the
Speaker 1: first round if you really wanted that guy, because he
Speaker 1: was there. I think I said yesterday or earlier this
Speaker 1: week that just just because it didn't happen at training
Speaker 1: camp doesn't mean it can't happen though, right, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean if Jordan Lewis is really this stud cornerback
Speaker 1: that will play itself out as the season goes along.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, It's like all these people that
Speaker 1: would always talk crap about Brandon Carr and now it's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we want him back and now we miss him. That's
Speaker 1: the way it normally goes, right, I don't I would
Speaker 1: guess Cowboy fans regardless of what we're saying. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Cowboy fans are ready to say that yet.
Speaker 1: It'll take actual touchdowns being scored in real games with
Speaker 1: Carol running behind them and then doing the infamous handclap. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get me some messages here. That's what I'm seeing bring.
Speaker 1: But you know, I will say this though I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon Carr took took his lumps from time
Speaker 1: to time with fans. But I think by the end
Speaker 1: of last year, at at least the listeners of this
Speaker 1: show and the way that they were calling in and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, I don't think they thought Brandon
Speaker 1: was a problem. I think they felt like Brandon was
Speaker 1: a solid guy. Again, he goes back to what we
Speaker 1: said about Barry Church. He's a solid guy. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody said Brandon was a pro bowler,
Speaker 1: but he was a solid cornerback and there was something too,
Speaker 1: the ability to be healthy, to play every week and
Speaker 1: to be a solid corner There was gonna be in
Speaker 1: his career. Here, I think which you could probably bet on,
Speaker 1: was that there were gonna be one or two games
Speaker 1: a year where you were like, oh wow, that was
Speaker 1: bad for Brandon Carr, and most of the rest of
Speaker 1: those other games you were gonna be like, he did
Speaker 1: his job, and that's that's kind of the player that
Speaker 1: he was. That's the nature of cornerback. Though he spent
Speaker 1: how he spent seventeen weeks kind of building his credibility
Speaker 1: back up, and then one play against Green Bay that
Speaker 1: the sides of the season is how people are going
Speaker 1: to remember him. And I mean that's football, that's life.
Speaker 1: I'm not I mean, especially cornerback. You know, not gonna
Speaker 1: lose sleep for Brandon Carr about it. But that's really that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd say the eighty percent of his performances
Speaker 1: were pretty good. But the top two things on the list,
Speaker 1: the top three things on the list will be Beckham,
Speaker 1: Green Bay in the playoffs, and then the freaking Calvin
Speaker 1: Johnson game. Like those are probably the three that jump out,
Speaker 1: even though they were three of his worst performances out
Speaker 1: of five years that were pretty solid over and by
Speaker 1: the way, those are some pretty good receivers suit pretty
Speaker 1: pretty good receiver. It's I think, right up there with quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's the hardest job in the NFL mentally and physically.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next position. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Terrell McClain. He went to Washington four year,
Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars deal, ten point five million guarantee.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty nice deal for a guy that, while
Speaker 1: he was with the Cowboys, really had issues. More so
Speaker 1: stank healthy than anything else. Because when he was playing,
Speaker 1: which usually a pretty good player for the Cowboys, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys replace him with what I think is probably the
Speaker 1: steal of this entire conversation. They get Steven Pye on
Speaker 1: a one year deal, two million dollars and five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand guaranteed. We got here, we have one. We have
Speaker 1: to figure this out, like which one of us has
Speaker 1: the man crush on Stephen Pie because like we've been
Speaker 1: fighting about, well, I've been I've always since at first
Speaker 1: the first few practices, after I saw him doing some
Speaker 1: of the things he was doing, I was like, they
Speaker 1: got themselves a player right there. I really liked Stephen Pie.
Speaker 1: He'd liked him after the soccer I did. I did.
Speaker 1: I did like him after the soccer video. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he probably ranked second or third among among the players,
Speaker 1: among the players, first among all linemen. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: big fat boys. He was pretty good, which means he's
Speaker 1: got a pretty good feet, good fee. I never ever
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Terrell McClean because of the
Speaker 1: injuries or just period just just h yeah, injuries number one.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he was pretty good and he kind
Speaker 1: of heard everyone talk about how asually was and all that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I know Brian really liked him, but
Speaker 1: I just I never really he never really did it
Speaker 1: for me. It was just like, Okay, he's a solid player,
Speaker 1: but I never thought, you know, he didn't make a
Speaker 1: lot of plays, a lot of stats, which you're not
Speaker 1: going to from that position too often. But I just
Speaker 1: you know, he was one of those guys. If yeah,
Speaker 1: he left the free agency, okay, we figured out, and
Speaker 1: for right now it seems like they sort of have.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be hurt down in Washington, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think he'll be a guy that you're like, man,
Speaker 1: we missed him. So if Piez as good as he's
Speaker 1: looked at training camp, I think this will be a
Speaker 1: steal for them. I mean, he looks disruptive and that's
Speaker 1: the big I think he looks like a guy who
Speaker 1: can get sacks, which is what this team needs, and
Speaker 1: he's playing at a bargain rate. So I think that
Speaker 1: is a big coup for them, a good job. I
Speaker 1: also think when all the suspensions are over and if
Speaker 1: the injuries, if they can stay healthy at that position,
Speaker 1: I think Demontre Moore goes back to you know, obviously
Speaker 1: he plays in you you've got Mayaver there, You've got
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, and you've got Taco. I could see a
Speaker 1: scenario a word, Tyrone Crawford does go back. If everyone's
Speaker 1: pretty healthy and Taco's doing his job and Demontre Moore
Speaker 1: is getting some some reps. I could see Crawford playing
Speaker 1: more in the inside. Could see Irving playing something right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna so where does Irving face? Well? Everything
Speaker 1: just you know, you just plug a guy that's six
Speaker 1: seven somewhere in there. He'll play. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's a good rotation. But I could see more
Speaker 1: guys going back to tackle. If Demontre Moore can can
Speaker 1: give you some some things and Taco also comes on,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean there's kind of an odd
Speaker 1: man out when it's all said and done, like in
Speaker 1: the middle of the year. So does someone get hurt?
Speaker 1: Do you just cut a veteran who And that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about yesterday. Does Taper end up being a
Speaker 1: guy that's oh yeah, that's right there at that point
Speaker 1: where he could be cut because I have you have
Speaker 1: a lot of guys once everybody's not just factoring in
Speaker 1: Tapper by week seven. I'm just he's out of the
Speaker 1: equation for me, whether he was cutting now or an
Speaker 1: ir or whatever. I just I'm not even factoring him.
Speaker 1: I'm taking him out of the equation. I still think
Speaker 1: you've got more more players than you need. If everyone
Speaker 1: comes back, I mean, maywe may not be completely safe,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the whole year. Wow, I mean just
Speaker 1: when you when you think about it, I mean, if
Speaker 1: when everyone comes back, who you've got in the middle,
Speaker 1: You've got You've got MALIEK. Collins, Paiac Cedric Thornton, He's
Speaker 1: another one that you know. I mean, guys like that
Speaker 1: you kind of just wonder, well, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: But if that's that's if Demontre Moore shows that he
Speaker 1: can be reliable and taco as well. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on Morris Clayborne. He went to the New York
Speaker 1: Jets on a one year deal five million dollars, two
Speaker 1: million of that is guaranteed. And the Cowboys obviously are
Speaker 1: are elevating Anthony Brown, a guy that was is in
Speaker 1: his second year as a Cowboy and then obviously drafted
Speaker 1: Cheetahbo Woozier, drafted Jordan Lewis, drafted Marquez White. They're looking
Speaker 1: for other options to be able to bring in supplement
Speaker 1: that cornerback position. Were good here based upon again Morris
Speaker 1: Clayborne being leaving and these guys kind of as a
Speaker 1: collective group coming in to be to kind of add
Speaker 1: that depth to the cornerback position or were Yes, you
Speaker 1: will not find a bigger cheerleader than I was for
Speaker 1: the way that mo raised his game last year and
Speaker 1: how well he played and how reliably was until right
Speaker 1: up until he got hurt, which was the fifth year
Speaker 1: in a row that that's happened for him, and you
Speaker 1: know it just tough. We went to LSU. Love the guy,
Speaker 1: nice dude, better player than he got credit for. Clearly
Speaker 1: did not live up to the number six. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody could argue that ever clearly didn't live up to
Speaker 1: that couldn't stay healthy at some point, just just cut
Speaker 1: your losses, any I mean, we haven't seen Cheeto or
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis in a real game situation. And you know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's only in year or two. But I'm perfectly
Speaker 1: willing to just ride with what they might be over
Speaker 1: just going down that road again. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, Mo's not playing in Week nine for the
Speaker 1: fourth year in a row. Yep, I agree. I mean
Speaker 1: I wish he was a better wish you know, you
Speaker 1: always rooted for him for everything that that he that
Speaker 1: he went through on and off the field, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day he had to just kind
Speaker 1: of and you know, and changes the scenery can work
Speaker 1: great both ways. I mean, I've got my eye on
Speaker 1: him with the Jets. I don't I mean, I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you right now how he's doing up there. But
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, I hope he's got I hope
Speaker 1: he goes to the Pro Bowls. I'd be awesome, But
Speaker 1: it's just at some point, numbers wiring over there. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I heard maybe he was gonna wear
Speaker 1: twenty one, but that they didn't let him or something.
Speaker 1: I can't be twenty four right then, I canna give him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look that up when I get off the air.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's like, is Revas
Speaker 1: like number retired? Was he that great with the Jets?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he's pretty damn great. No he was. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not getting it. I'm saying was he
Speaker 1: that great where they would say, hey, nobody's wearing that number?
Speaker 1: Are you looking at the roster? Can't looking at a
Speaker 1: photo of him? And I would consider that, I say,
Speaker 1: I bet that big for the Jets. People will tell
Speaker 1: you that Darrell Rivas authored like, statistically like one to
Speaker 1: three of the best cornerback seasons ever in the history
Speaker 1: of the game, especially like in modern day. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that one season where he faced all the best
Speaker 1: receivers and they them all down. And then remember that
Speaker 1: it's the New York Jets, and other than Joe Namath,
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot to hang there at Broadway Joe,
Speaker 1: And then yeah, who who's He's the best player in
Speaker 1: recent Jets history. I mean, Wayne Cribet, what else you got,
Speaker 1: art guest? I know how long ago is that? I
Speaker 1: don't know? Yeah, I mean you are alive. I don't
Speaker 1: think Darrell Reeves has got to be the best Jets
Speaker 1: player in the last ten fifteen years. Yeah, probably sway.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Jets Break. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's go with the final name. I
Speaker 1: want to throw out, Lance Dunbar. He moved on to wait, wait,
Speaker 1: let me painting. How's that a question? Well, it's the
Speaker 1: reason it's a question is because last year you had
Speaker 1: Lance Dunbar, who was your third down back. He was
Speaker 1: a guy that was kind of your gadget guy. He
Speaker 1: could return some kicks, like, he had some different roles
Speaker 1: that he played for this team. And so now he's gone,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna fill those roles. And again I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that he was an all world player, but
Speaker 1: it was a role that the Cowboys will will fill
Speaker 1: with I guess other players. It was a role that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like forced into their game plan because they
Speaker 1: felt weird about how many running backs they had. Like
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, when he tore his knee, up. He
Speaker 1: was actually kind of he was killing it. I mean
Speaker 1: he was on pace for like a boatload of touches.
Speaker 1: He was he was a receiver, he was running it.
Speaker 1: And then they drafted Ezekiel Elliott and bye bye. I
Speaker 1: mean it just didn't make sense and I never understood why.
Speaker 1: I mean it felt so forced. And again for the
Speaker 1: fifth time, I really like Lance. He was a great guy,
Speaker 1: Like all these guys are. I love it. All of
Speaker 1: these players were super nice dudes. But you spend a
Speaker 1: top five pick on a running back, I mean, it
Speaker 1: never made sense to me. And he's another guy who
Speaker 1: had a hard time stay unhealthy. I read on my
Speaker 1: phone during the break that he's going to start the
Speaker 1: season on pup for the Rams. So snake snake bitten
Speaker 1: career for him. I wish, you know, I hope for
Speaker 1: the best for him, but there was no spot for
Speaker 1: him in this offense. You know, when when you look
Speaker 1: at people, you know, players throughout their whole career, even
Speaker 1: like going back to high school in college, you know,
Speaker 1: you see certain guys and you go, yeah, I play football.
Speaker 1: You look at you know, really your first thought is
Speaker 1: you play football. I mean you're you look small and
Speaker 1: people the thing that guys that aren't that big are
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. Well, here's a case of a guy
Speaker 1: that that that does. I mean they're not all Wes
Speaker 1: Welker and Cole Beasley and Danny A. Mendola. I mean
Speaker 1: some short some little guys kind of get hurt a lot,
Speaker 1: just like like the Kellen Moore you know situation when
Speaker 1: you know he's he's a short guy. Well he got
Speaker 1: hurt last year because a guy fell on his foot.
Speaker 1: I mean that happens a lot. But when you're not
Speaker 1: that big and your hands aren't that big to get
Speaker 1: knocked out of your hands, I mean sometimes this game
Speaker 1: has meant for big players. Now there are exceptions to
Speaker 1: the rule, and some of them are really really good.
Speaker 1: We'll see if Ryan Switzer can be that guy. Right now,
Speaker 1: he's been banged up, so it doesn't work for everyone.
Speaker 1: And Landstombar, to me is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: if if you, I mean, I'll never forget that play
Speaker 1: in a preseason game against Arizona, probably thirteen three years ago,
Speaker 1: four years ago, but one play just described his entire career.
Speaker 1: He caught the ball into the flat, good receiver gets
Speaker 1: himselves open in space, he can fly forty yards down
Speaker 1: the field. Then he gets hit and he fumbled and
Speaker 1: then he got hurt all in the same play. Wow,
Speaker 1: If you don't touch him, he's pretty good. If he
Speaker 1: gets hit, he might fumble and he might get hurt
Speaker 1: or both. Not good for a football player, right, just
Speaker 1: saying he was good when no one hit him. He
Speaker 1: would be sitting at his locker room and I would
Speaker 1: be walking by. He's like, man, I'm so tired. I'm
Speaker 1: like from what like being in the hot top like no,
Speaker 1: and he was a great guy. But I think I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what, I love that about the NFL though,
Speaker 1: Like Lance Dunbar's like one of the greatest players in
Speaker 1: the history of North Texas football, Like he was the
Speaker 1: man in college. And that's the NFL. Though. Everybody's great
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yep. Everybody's fast, everybody's big, everybody's strong. Well,
Speaker 1: not everybody's big, but most guys are big. It gets
Speaker 1: to your point, right, so you're not You're not. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna beat anybody just because you got more, just
Speaker 1: you got more athletic ability, you got more god given talent.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just everybody's that good, right, But at
Speaker 1: least same story with Morris Claver And we were just
Speaker 1: talking about him, the differences. When Morris was on the field,
Speaker 1: he was making big plays or plays. I definitely helped
Speaker 1: the team here and there. I mean he would to
Speaker 1: me he was a great player when he was on
Speaker 1: the field certain occasions, certain occasions, but get what he
Speaker 1: did at your point. I mean, I'm the I'm the
Speaker 1: captain of the Mo cheerleading club. But he I can't
Speaker 1: go great. I can say his thing. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like his thing was, you know, look at look at
Speaker 1: the best cornerback to ever play ever? Yeah, Deon? What
Speaker 1: did Deon have other than great athletic ability? What did
Speaker 1: Deon have more than anybody in life? Swag? Confidence? That's
Speaker 1: what Mo missed, I think, And and it was hard
Speaker 1: for him, you know, because he was getting hurt and
Speaker 1: then I think he was He would get beat during
Speaker 1: a game and it was hard for him to recover.
Speaker 1: You say, those corners supposed to have bad memories. He
Speaker 1: didn't have a bad memory. He would kind of let
Speaker 1: those things kind of get with them. And so I
Speaker 1: think confidence always was an issue with him, even though
Speaker 1: he says it was, and I think I would art
Speaker 1: he it seemed, and last year it seemed like he
Speaker 1: had it. He had confidence. He did John with Dez
Speaker 1: He I mean the airplane thing. I love that incomplete,
Speaker 1: but I called it the airplane whatever. But then he
Speaker 1: got hurt again, and that probably, yeah, probably had an effect. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't think I ever had
Speaker 1: a problem necessary with the player that Morris Clayboe was.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever was like, man, he's not
Speaker 1: good like I don't. That was never even in even
Speaker 1: in games where he might have had some difficulties. To me,
Speaker 1: I racked it up to that's what cornerbacks do. There're
Speaker 1: gonna be some games where you're not gonna have the
Speaker 1: best game, and they're gonna they're gonna catch some passes
Speaker 1: on you. I never thought of him as as a
Speaker 1: play anything but a good cornerback. I thought that he
Speaker 1: never could get just a sustained which last year he did.
Speaker 1: He a sustained period of time where he's playing and
Speaker 1: he's playing consistently and he's not hurt, where he can
Speaker 1: really show you what he can do. And then last
Speaker 1: year it even at that he could still only get
Speaker 1: through a little over half the season, and we're I
Speaker 1: call that revisionist history a little bit. If you go
Speaker 1: back to like twenty thirteen, twenty four I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: arguably his best moment as a cowboy when he picked
Speaker 1: off Austin Davis to seal that win against the Rams.
Speaker 1: I mean they picked on him all day, right, And
Speaker 1: what I just say, I said, they're gonna be days
Speaker 1: at cornerback. They're gonna be games go back, not gonna
Speaker 1: have a good game. Thirteen twenty fourteen, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, call it confidence, called injuries. He was
Speaker 1: more of a liability. I mean he consistently where where
Speaker 1: you were not confident that he could cover his guy.
Speaker 1: And it really wasn't until honestly twenty sixteen where I
Speaker 1: was like, he's covering and he can cover people. He's
Speaker 1: not getting okay. So when in that time period was
Speaker 1: he consistently healthy. I mean, that's that's kind of my
Speaker 1: point is he was always seemingly dealing with something from
Speaker 1: a standpoint of an injury concern, or was completely out
Speaker 1: because he couldn't because he was hurt. I suppose that's fair,
Speaker 1: and so I don't think he ever got to a
Speaker 1: point where he really had a time period where he
Speaker 1: was healthy and he was able to really show what
Speaker 1: he could do for a consistent period of time until
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and that still wasn't enough to get him
Speaker 1: past the finish line. He could just get a little
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Speaker 1: and Beefy TET. What up, gents, lady? How are you
Speaker 1: all doing doing well? I don't know if you to
Speaker 1: cover this at the beginning of so so I apologize,
Speaker 1: but I was just watching on Twitter as it pertained
Speaker 1: to the comments made about Dez Bryant and Blaze Pizza
Speaker 1: and him leaving some great tip and the you know,
Speaker 1: the server saying that she was not a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1: He said, well, he wasn't going to go there anymore.
Speaker 1: And how this turned into some big political statement of well,
Speaker 1: he'll boycott a pizza place over the national anthem. This
Speaker 1: is getting old, guys, Like, this is getting really old
Speaker 1: where we're losing the essence of what football is. It's fun, right,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a time and place for all these things.
Speaker 1: But when something as small as leaving a tip and
Speaker 1: then Jess saying it's not going to go to a
Speaker 1: restaurant anymore, because clearly with men and Jess turned into
Speaker 1: a political statement or a comparison between which one on
Speaker 1: the Coltin Kaepernick and establishment before you're having fun as
Speaker 1: it pertaining to someone not being fan. We're getting way
Speaker 1: out of bounds now, and so as one as you
Speaker 1: guys to comment on it, because now morning ever, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to understand why some of these athletes remain quiet
Speaker 1: as it pertains of certain issues, because they're getting ridiculed
Speaker 1: for something as stupid as where they're gonna have pizza.
Speaker 1: So why would I take as a political stance on
Speaker 1: certain things knowing that the ridicule was in some cases
Speaker 1: going to outweigh the good it comes out of it.
Speaker 1: I just want you guys for comment on that. All right,
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. Yeah, did y'all see this this morning.
Speaker 1: I did not see it. So Daz had a little
Speaker 1: back and forth at a Blaze Blaze. I'd heard about that. Yes,
Speaker 1: so he's right, I'm not gonna eat at that Blaze
Speaker 1: pizza anymore. Didn't even say he wouldn't eat Blaze pizza anymore,
Speaker 1: just not at that last And I thought it was
Speaker 1: kind of tongue in cheek, very tongue in cheek. It
Speaker 1: was a joke. And then some I don't even had
Speaker 1: those laughing emojis, right, one of the one of a
Speaker 1: blog I don't like a you know what, I don't
Speaker 1: even remember what it's called. It wasn't PFT, but you know,
Speaker 1: one of those types of things was like Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: his boy boycotting a eats a chain because of the
Speaker 1: and then it turned into this whole thing. And then
Speaker 1: I saw Jamel Hill for sure. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody else picked up on it, but she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you'll boycott where you eat pizza, but you're not
Speaker 1: going to take a stand for you know, civil rights
Speaker 1: or whatever because of what Deaz said about the national
Speaker 1: anthem a week ago. And my response, you know, he
Speaker 1: was asking us to comment on it is. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody loves Twitter more than I do. I live on
Speaker 1: my phone. I absolutely love it. I love engaging with
Speaker 1: fans and getting the news and feeling connected. Twitter is
Speaker 1: ridiculous and stupid, and it is an echo chamber where
Speaker 1: people get lost in. You know, it's amazing when you
Speaker 1: take a step back and realize, like how different the
Speaker 1: real world is when you're not just consistently plugged into
Speaker 1: refreshing your tweets every thirty five seconds and adding that
Speaker 1: ridiculously addictive information overload. With the Dallas Cowboys, which we
Speaker 1: all know is one of the most visible brands in
Speaker 1: the world. Cowboys players get clicks, Cowboys stories do good traffic,
Speaker 1: and these types of things happen, And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the caller is absolutely right. I totally understand why athletes,
Speaker 1: especially athletes like Dez Bryan. I mean, if I was dead,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, screw, this is having fun on Twitter
Speaker 1: worth the headache that. You know, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what I can and can't say without it turning into
Speaker 1: a national story. So yeah, I absolutely get it, although
Speaker 1: but I would argue for people like us and probably
Speaker 1: people like a lot of our callers. I think our
Speaker 1: perception is skewed because we spend so much time dealing
Speaker 1: with this that you know, I don't even think that
Speaker 1: permeates out fully into the culture the way that people
Speaker 1: think it does, you know, and that Dez probably thinks
Speaker 1: it does, like Deaz is probably frustrated. I doubt eighty
Speaker 1: five percent of people even realize that that's a story
Speaker 1: because eighty five percent of people have better stuff to
Speaker 1: do than constantly be reading Twitter. So it's stupid and
Speaker 1: overblown ninety five percent of the time. And my advice
Speaker 1: to Death and any fan that's annoyed by it is
Speaker 1: just pay less attention to it. That just makes me
Speaker 1: really upset. Like, like you said, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: it's so dumb. And then when you sit back and
Speaker 1: look at everything else that's going on around the world
Speaker 1: and outside of football, what are you doing, Like why
Speaker 1: would you make something like this such a big deal
Speaker 1: and throw back at Death and it's it's just dumb.
Speaker 1: It's dumb. Find something else better to do than kind
Speaker 1: of make something small as that, which was completely a joke,
Speaker 1: and turn it into a big deal, especially when he
Speaker 1: tipped someone seventy five dollars I mean, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good tips. That's kind of part of the issue here
Speaker 1: is that it's just there is when you're a professional athlete,
Speaker 1: and certainly when you're a professional athlete, and I don't
Speaker 1: want this to sound too egotistical for the Cowboys, but
Speaker 1: when you're a professional athlete that plays for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys different, it is different. Everything you say, everything you
Speaker 1: do has ticks on a whole different level of scrutiny
Speaker 1: because people pay attention to the Cowboys. But these players
Speaker 1: get like this because even when they do something good,
Speaker 1: when they do something nice, it's still somehow someone finds
Speaker 1: a way to flip it around and turn it into
Speaker 1: something negative. And that's why they become like this with
Speaker 1: the media and all of us and social media, and
Speaker 1: so I would argue, I would argue, and I think
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that. But in this
Speaker 1: day and age, it's our industry is in trouble, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the media industry. Yeah, sorry, generate traffic. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's like this agenda like, oh, how can
Speaker 1: we how can we put Dez in hot water over this?
Speaker 1: It's Dez Bryant is on that short list of names.
Speaker 1: That's going to generate traffic no matter what he does.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, when Dez does something like go
Speaker 1: to Walmart at two am and buy PlayStations for a
Speaker 1: bunch of people, that goes viral too. I mean, whatever
Speaker 1: he people are, his name's involved. People gravitate toward that
Speaker 1: name and then the p and when you put it
Speaker 1: out on Twitter, the problem is you're exposing it to
Speaker 1: ten million different viewpoints and ideas. Whether they're fair or
Speaker 1: based in rational logic or not, they're out there. And
Speaker 1: then all it takes is Dez to see that, and
Speaker 1: then he reacts to it, and then it becomes a
Speaker 1: whole another thing, and it folds in on itself, and
Speaker 1: it happens time and time again. I would certainly get
Speaker 1: frustrated by if I were a player, I completely understand it.
Speaker 1: But that's just the nature of the game, really, and
Speaker 1: that's in, you know, on a much smaller scale. Obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not Dez Bryant, but I mean we do we
Speaker 1: see some of that. You know, stuff we say on
Speaker 1: this show can get aggregated by a blog or you know,
Speaker 1: people can call us nasty names on Twitter or some
Speaker 1: message board or whatever. And in my it can be difficult,
Speaker 1: but just tune that stuff out, man, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's not even worth your time. And you're gonna plan
Speaker 1: that world, you have to accept that that's a part
Speaker 1: of that world. And and fans for that matter too.
Speaker 1: Like my biggest pet peeve with fans no offense to
Speaker 1: anybody listening, is like, do you see what Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith said about the Cowboys today? I hate that guy.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, turn it off. This guy just did it.
Speaker 1: This guy, the guy that can just called the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, one of our best fans and one
Speaker 1: of our most loyal listeners. But honestly, don't call up
Speaker 1: here and say that you're upset up was something and
Speaker 1: think it's stupid and all that, but then but then
Speaker 1: ask about it, comment about it, and now we've been
Speaker 1: talking about it. I just read what the what you
Speaker 1: just caught up on? What the girl said, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill or whatever, that's a problem. I mean she
Speaker 1: said she what she wrote was you won't take a stand.
Speaker 1: You know, she said, you'll take a stand on that,
Speaker 1: but you won't take a stand dot dot dot never mind.
Speaker 1: And then to come back later and say I was
Speaker 1: just joking. There are ways to share on Twitter and
Speaker 1: text message that you're joking. You didn't do that until
Speaker 1: there was a backlash a little bit, until he's fired
Speaker 1: back and you're like, I'm joking. Then she says, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a truth in every joke, though, what are
Speaker 1: you saying? I don't know. I just I feel like
Speaker 1: and that's instigated it a little bit more. And the
Speaker 1: national anthem, I mean, the national anthem thing is a
Speaker 1: conversation worth having and a serious issue in my opinion,
Speaker 1: And if you know, Dez can decide what he wants
Speaker 1: to say about it or what he wants to do
Speaker 1: about it, and that's fine, but like, don't don't force
Speaker 1: that conversation on him through some Twitter bs in my opinion,
Speaker 1: And it's it's too it's too real and serious of
Speaker 1: an issue to be flippant about it. And I'll say this,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna speak for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but I know this. You can stand for the national anthem,
Speaker 1: put your right hand or across your heart, and because
Speaker 1: you feel strongly about the country you live in and
Speaker 1: the rights that you have, that doesn't mean that you
Speaker 1: don't disagree with what the president and and things that
Speaker 1: are going going on. It's two different things. You don't
Speaker 1: it's not just black and white. Literally to just sit
Speaker 1: there and say, well, you're not standing so then you
Speaker 1: must you must approve of what's going on. That's not
Speaker 1: true at all. And you, I mean des Brian has
Speaker 1: a boatload of money. You don't know what causes he's
Speaker 1: giving money to or what he's doing with his own life.
Speaker 1: I mean, neither do I for that matter. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's it's flipping and stupid and going back to
Speaker 1: the earlier point, it's take it from me. It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty easy to tune out the stupid stuff that you
Speaker 1: don't want to see. It's not worth getting worked up
Speaker 1: about from a fan's perspective. In my opinion, somebody has
Speaker 1: a stupid opinion, turn it off, ignore it, come find
Speaker 1: a smart opinion, like on Cowboy's Break. I will say
Speaker 1: this too, And we talked. I had this conversation the
Speaker 1: other day. Not everybody should be a spokesperson. I know
Speaker 1: sometimes people try to paint they want to say all
Speaker 1: athletes should be willing to use their platform. Guess what,
Speaker 1: I don't want every athlete using their platform to speak
Speaker 1: for me and the issues that I care about, because
Speaker 1: if they're educated on them, if they aren't, um, if
Speaker 1: they aren't articular enough in order to be able to
Speaker 1: really express what's going on and the problems that are
Speaker 1: going on and to be able to bring some some
Speaker 1: light to it in a in a way that's actually
Speaker 1: going to create change, then I prefer they just be quiet. Right.
Speaker 1: It's just like the same as in general society. I
Speaker 1: don't want everybody being the person that's stepping up and
Speaker 1: giving in an opinion about whatever that topic is. If
Speaker 1: you're educated, great, and if you want to do that, great.
Speaker 1: I don't think we should put make situations where we
Speaker 1: try to force athletes, particularly to use the platform that
Speaker 1: they have in order to espouse whatever. We'll talk about.
Speaker 1: What number one athlete probably of all time, UM, didn't
Speaker 1: really do that. No, I mean you can say Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali was, but I don't. I don't. You must be
Speaker 1: talking about Michael Joe Well, I think, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: are you wearing all these I'm actually I'm wearing Jordan's
Speaker 1: right now for whatever that I think Michael, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's yeah, but you can say that about Jordan, But
Speaker 1: I know very much. I understand. I understand that. I
Speaker 1: think where we are right now, I think I think
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan probably probably affected more people. Um maybe now
Speaker 1: when you say affect it, that's where I made different.
Speaker 1: Yeah we don't need to have Yeah we don't have that.
Speaker 1: That's a whole different discussion. But whether it's one, whether
Speaker 1: it's too Michael. But Michael Jordan did it a different way, right,
Speaker 1: he didn't, and he had a right to do that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my point is if you don't, if
Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable that you understand all the issues
Speaker 1: and that you have the right way to be able
Speaker 1: to talk about them, don't talk about it. And if
Speaker 1: you do, in the case of Muhammad Ali, and you
Speaker 1: feel passionate about it, go talk about it. Right. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with players one way or the other.
Speaker 1: If you choose it, that's the way you want to go. Great.
Speaker 1: If you choose that's the way you don't want to go,
Speaker 1: that's also okay. If you don't feel like you're educated
Speaker 1: enough or already enough to be able to have that discussion. Now,
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise here for about ten years
Speaker 1: didn't do that. Romo didn't do that. You know, Elma
Speaker 1: didn't didn't go out and do things in the community
Speaker 1: as much as as other as other players did. He
Speaker 1: had obviously had a platform to do it. It's just
Speaker 1: not what he chose to do, and he got ridiculed
Speaker 1: for it. He still probably does, but that's kind of
Speaker 1: what he did. It's not that he didn't do things
Speaker 1: in the community. He didn't have the same kind of
Speaker 1: platforms and he didn't have the same kind of foundations
Speaker 1: and stuff like that as you see like Jason witten
Speaker 1: Brand and Carr things like that as Andrew. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: every player's decision to write. Every player has the right
Speaker 1: to be able to decide what they choose to do
Speaker 1: or not choose to do. All right, we appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys joined us. We are back to actually we're back
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