WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Better Off Than Last Year? 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.320 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.240 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.560 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:20.960 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:26.239 wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Derek Eagleton. It 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.800 is Thursday, August twenty fourth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.800 number twenty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.519 We are live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.120 the Star. Got a lot to talk about this morning. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.040 We'll start with a little bit of news and then 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.760 I have a new game I'm gonna play with you 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.840 guys that I'm gonna roll out. It's called We're Good Here. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.479 We'll talk about that in just a few minutes. Now 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.720 to Jason Witten, I know, we'll talk about that in 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.240 just a minute. Get into that a little bit more. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.279 But before we get there, let's talk a little bit 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.840 about practice. Yesterday. Cowboys had a lot of players not 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.280 out there practicing yesterday. Dave, I saw you wrote a 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.920 little something about it. Tell Usue was out and if 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.160 there was anybody that was that that fans should be 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.120 concerned about that didn't practice, wasn't out, Derek. I did 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.119 some quick math. Nineteen guys miss practice yesterday for one 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.319 reason or another. That's twenty percent of the roster, the 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.160 ninety man roster, which I didn't do the math on 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.640 what that would be for fifty three. But it's a 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:26.000 lot of guys um. But it's really not nothing overly 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.520 that should really jump off the page. I think the 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.360 big one is probably Charles Tapper. He missed he suffered 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.240 a neck injury on I lost track of my days 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.959 on two on Monday because yesterday was Tuesday. No, it's yes, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.800 it was Wednesday, so to have been Tuesday. Heard his 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.080 neck on Tuesday. He misspractice Wednesday. Jason Garrett said that 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.039 X rays and stuff were negative, which is positive always 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.360 a funny wording. M Garrett said, I mean it's a 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.240 day by day situation, so it's not something that they're 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.360 willing to you know, they're not ruling him out for 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.360 days or weeks. It's just a matter of how quickly 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.880 they can get that stiffness out of his neck um. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.440 Other than that, a lot of veteran days orlander Scandrick 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.400 des Bryant, Jason went and Shaan Lee, Um, Darren McFadden, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.639 all those guys that usually rest rested. You still got 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.360 all your hammy problems in the secondary, but nothing new. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.960 Um speaking of those handy problems, Nick the uh. It 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.320 was interesting yesterday I thought that coach Marinelli called it 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.200 a bit of a dilemma that those guys were missing 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.040 as much time as they were, and he was talking 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.600 about how, you know, it's they have to get used 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.640 to this speed. He said. I think the quote was 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.919 the angles changed quickly here in the NFL, and it's 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.760 it's kind of thinking about it from the standpoint of 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.640 getting used to the ability to make those tackles and 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.000 open field tackles because of the speed of the game. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.639 We're a little bit surprised he used that word dilemma 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.200 because you know, Jason tends to stay away from words 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.240 like that. Yeah, but I mean, but he's a real coach, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.079 you know two, I mean he I mean, but he's 0:02:54.120 --> 0:03:00.760 he's an old time saying. Oh no, I mean Garrett. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.880 They have different agendas. I mean Garrett, and they have 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.919 different ways of going about right right, And I mean 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.120 Garrett knows it's a dilemma. And it's a problem. He 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.919 knows it is. I mean, he may not say it 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.160 because he doesn't want he doesn't want it to be 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.000 like you know a headline that says that he thinks 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.600 it's an issue. But it has to be because you've 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.880 got guys that you are going to count on to 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.800 make the team that aren't playing and they've never played before. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.280 So just like coach McNally says, it's hard to, you know, 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.480 get them to figure out how to play football when 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.799 they've never done it in the NFL. So, but they're 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.760 gonna make the team. And then meanwhile, you got guys 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.080 like Duke Thomas and Mark Quez White that are playing 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.920 and you know they're starting, and Leon McFadden's out there 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.200 getting reps so and it's like, you know, you want 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.080 these guys to play because they're gonna be on the 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.680 roster and they're not gonna be ready when Odell Beckham 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.400 and Brandon Marshall and whoever else comes down. I don't 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.040 care if they're future all pros. If Jordan Lewis, Cheeto 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.040 Woozier and Xavier Woods don't get some reps between now 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.400 and Week one, I don't know how useful they're going 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.080 to be and they need them to be useful, right 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.200 I mean, well yeah, I mean I just listed off 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.040 three of probably ten defensive backs that they'll carry. I 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.880 think all the three of those guys, I know two 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.440 of them are making the team. I really feel confident 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.840 that Xavier Woods will as well. So that's a third 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.520 of your available secondary once one of those could be 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.000 I'm looking at and thinking about, like a guy like 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.800 Xavier Woods could be an inactive though. He's a guy 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.479 that I think if Jordan Lewis gets to the regular 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.719 season without having gone through a practice, I think he 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.640 would be when an inactive too. Right. So, and that's 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.040 your dilemma is that you're you're not able to lean 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:39.560 on guys that you need to be able to lean on. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.359 One good bit of news for the Cowboys yesterday justin 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.040 Durant back at practice. He is they just activated him 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.600 what was it last week off of pup and and 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.280 then yesterday he's back at practice. Where's he playing right now? 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.839 And how much did he did he take part yesterday? 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.360 I didn't really see a whole lot from him. I'm 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.760 sure he's probably a plan on that a little week side, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.400 but I mean he's a backup guy that I feel 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:10.400 like they they signed because of Damien Wilson's uncertain future. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.160 So you know, it took him a lot longer than 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.080 I thought it would take a veteran to get ready. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.919 But I think it's training. I think that's part of 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.200 the plan for him. I mean, he could have he 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.479 could have signed with anybody earlier, you know, or he 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.200 could have signed with the Cowboys earlier. But I think 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.440 his plan was to kind of do it as he 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.160 as he did. And if you happen to miss training camp, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.719 you have to miss training camp. I don't know this 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.000 off the top of my head, but I wouldn't be 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.440 surprised if he winds up as one of those better 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.560 in day guys going into the season as well, because 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.400 his whole thing is as sorry Amber, his whole thing 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.440 has always been durability. So I don't mind that if 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.880 you say better in day guys, But I mean, you know, 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.719 Darren McFadden, Orlando Scanner, these got I mean, these guys 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.679 are sitting and resting and not going through the rigors 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.680 of practice every day, and I bet I wouldn't be 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.640 surprised if that continues during the season. A little bit 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.760 too just I mean, you know what these guys can do. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.800 And I put Justin Durant on that list as well. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.680 I'm not saying he's a pro bowler, but he's an 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.920 eleven year veteran. He's been here for two or three. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.560 I think he's played three seasons here. You know what 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.560 he can do. His big problem has always been that 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.279 he doesn't ever finish the season. So do what you 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.279 can to help him finish the season. For a guy 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.640 like Tyring, I mean, they're gonna have to just manage 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.920 his writing. That recurring back is something they're gonna have 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.039 to manage. Right, Actually, I got an answer for you, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.360 Stephen Paia is the same thing with his name. It's 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.359 not like a manage, not a specific injury that he's suffered. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.239 It's just a thing that he deals with. So that'll 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.680 probably be something that you see during the season as well. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.080 All Right, okay, let's get into our game. And I 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.920 know Amber, this is usually your area. We usually leave 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.520 the games to you, but I thought we'd play this 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.440 little game. I call it. We're good here, And here's 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.080 what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna throw out a player 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.839 that the Cowboys had on their roster last year, and 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.560 for whatever reason, whether he left in free agency or retired, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.200 I'll tell you that guy that left, and then the 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.680 guy that was brought in presumably to replace him. We 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.960 in some instances we'll talk a little bit about the money. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.440 That's the difference. But at the end of the day, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:09.760 I want you guys to be able to tell me 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.920 we're good here. Is this a good move for the Cowboys? 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.080 Is it seemed like after five weeks of training camp 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.600 seem like the Cowboys good in this spot? Or are 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.000 they really really gonna miss the player that is no 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.200 longer here? All right, we got it? Everybody good? Okay, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.800 all right, let's start first with our favorite Ron Leary. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.080 He moved on to the Denver Broncos. He received a 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.520 four year, thirty six million dollar contract, and twenty four 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.400 million of that is guaranteed, So he got paid some 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.040 significant money. And I'm not quite sure that Cowboys could 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.080 have matched that kind of offer with all the money 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.920 they already have on their offensive line to replace him. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.080 We've seen Jonathan Cooper out there, We've seen Jazz Green 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.280 out there, We've seen Byron Bell. I don't think Byron 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.320 Bell and you can disagree, but I don't think he's 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.720 probably gonna end up in that spot. It is probably 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.040 gonna be one of those other two, and I would 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.160 assume it's gonna be Jonathan Cooper. All that being said, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.000 we're good here at the left guard position. Oh no way, 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.880 you're horrible here. Compared to that, you have a great 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.640 player who was I think one of the more underrated 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.960 players on the team. Um, and he's you know, I 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.480 really didn't realize how big, like how much he helped 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.960 this offensive line until he left. Like I had no 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.600 idea how good he was until he was gone. And 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.320 now we're here struggling. I'm still like, we know Chas 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.680 Green his whole deal with injuries and whether he's gonna 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.880 stay healthy or not, blah blah blah. But then Jonathan Cooper, 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.320 he's been doing okay, but it's not definitely not the 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.960 same as too when he was here. Can I talk 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.160 out the both sides of my mouth a little bit? Yeah? Absolutely, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.760 we're not all the time. We're not there. You we're 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.920 not good here. But what were they supposed to do? Like, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.240 I'm like, oh, they didn't do what you gotta do 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.000 to keep her on Leary that's not smart or feasible. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.000 I mean, I wouldn't have paid him that to stay here. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.800 That's not when you can. They are the resources that 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.880 are already on your offensive line and the other needs 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.120 that you have. So yeah, left guard is a little 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.480 bit troublesome. But the alternative, what's the alternative? And so 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.360 you know, I'm not sitting here thinking the Cowboys screwed up. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.320 It's just that's the nature of the NFL. That's how 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.200 the salary cap works. It basically prevents you from being 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.000 strong at every position. I mean, you can argue that 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.640 they made they made a mistake on this two years 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:29.160 ago when they just had to play Lyo Collins out 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.240 of position, thinking that he was better, and they they 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.760 benched run Leary early in the season after he got 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.840 hurt and then just kept Collins there. I think maybe, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.120 you know, if you would have played Leary there, you 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.800 might have been able to do something differently contract wise, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.079 if they wanted to go that route. But I mean, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.480 that's that's probably all you could you could say. I mean, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.680 I think you can't pay everybody. Some contracts have to 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.440 run out. His did let's test the market. He tested it. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.080 He got a lot of money. I mean, what can 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.280 he do really at that point other than playing him 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.319 early and maybe having a little bit more foresight that 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.240 he was much better. But at all hindsight is twenty twenty. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.160 Because when Lyle Collins signed here and everybody knew he 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.800 was a top fifteen talent, I don't think you know, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.080 maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think there were a 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.240 lot of people who thought like Lyle didn't deserve to 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.000 get a look over ron Learry. Just my virtue of 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.760 talent alone. But I don't agree with what Amber said 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.000 about I don't really see it until until he left, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.880 because we saw it last year he was when dominant, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.120 when the offensive lion were started getting those third downs. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.320 Now maybe Zeke had a big, big part of that 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.520 as well. I think the combination of that Leary in 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.560 there Zeke, so I think we kind of saw it. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.679 But I think the difference, and this is the area 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.720 why I think Amber's right, is it became apparent like 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.079 it was very easy to see when you see them 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.000 in one on one drills and last year you see 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.560 Ronald Leary and it was there's a big difference between 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.760 what Ronald Learry could do in those kinds of drills 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.280 versus what you see from Cooper. Now, I agree with you. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.040 In the season, yes, Ronald Leary was one. I thought 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.200 he played extremely well some games. He was the best 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.679 offensive lineman. I mean, and that's saying something with that group, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.600 but I see what he's saying. But I will say this, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.480 I think you get five six weeks into this season, 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.840 I have a suspicion this is not going to be 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.800 a problem. And I've said this from the beginning. What 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.920 he has at left tackle, what he has at center, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.320 whoever is in there at left guard. Because of what 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.840 he has around him, I think he's good enough for 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.600 this not to be a big problem for the Cowboys. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.040 Not only that, but you've set yourself up relatively nicely. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.920 I mean, maybe it's not ideal. They're not as good 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:36.880 as they were there last year, but you've got two 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.240 pretty solid options to choose from. I think one way 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.000 or another, they'll be man, it'll be okay, right, and 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.920 then I wouldn't be surprised if they turned back to 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.160 the draft to try to address this next year. Right. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.880 So it's not like you're in the wilderness where you 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.640 don't have a guard like so many years before this, right, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.440 what I was telling Nick the other day, you know, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.840 before we got to the draft, this was of an 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.000 area that I was not concerned about at all, and 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.000 I only began getting concerned about it was when I 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.760 heard someone over from that side talk about how concerning 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.720 they were, Yeah, on the football side, talk about how 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.640 they were concerned about this position. And then until then, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.920 it's like, Okay, well crap, if they're concerned, then I'm 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.360 concerned too, now, you know. So I think and people 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.840 like on Twitter sending a lot of questions, you know, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.640 like what's the deal with this offensive line? Like let's 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.640 stop talking about it. It's not a big deal, blah 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.000 blah blah. But I thought the same thing, the same 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.360 thing until I hear that, and then it turns it 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.320 into something concerning. And you talking about Runner Leady, you know, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.560 like you said he was like an underrated player, That's 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.160 what I'm referring to. You know, he was great, but 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.600 not many people talked about him. Yeah, and I think that, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.400 you know, you've got some some people that think Jonathan 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.400 Cooper is going to be really really good over there. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.040 So I think it's just all about an opinion, and 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.440 you're right. We'll see what happens when you get to 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.520 the season. But I think the big issue with Cooper 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.560 or is it Chaz Green or Byron Bell, whoever it is, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.960 stay away from the penalties. I mean, because that you know, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.079 you get beat, you get a ten yard penalty and 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.600 holds you back and pushes everybody back. If you can 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.040 just kind of hang in there and you'll get help, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.200 because you know Frederick will have his guy and tire 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.240 and I'll have his guy. You should be in good, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.199 good position. Just don't hold. Don't hold when it's down 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.079 there at the fourteen yard line, first and ten, and 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.559 now it's back at the twenty four and now you're 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.800 Dan Bailey. Just get ready, all right, let's move on 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.280 to the next position. It stays on the offensive line. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:46.400 Dub Free, who had been the perennial whipping boy around 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.280 here when you talk to about the offensive line for 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.120 the last several years, retired and then Lyle Collins makes 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.760 them move out. Nick. I heard you say a little 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.000 earlier in you when we were talking about the guard position, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.520 you thought he may be played out of position at guard, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.760 which makes me assume that you mean that he's a 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.679 better tackle. Uh you're looking at what you've seen over 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.200 these first five weeks of preseason and training camp. We're 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.360 good here left at right tackle, I think so. Yeah, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.240 I think I think you're you're gonna be really good. Um, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.120 you're gonna have to you have to go through it. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.760 I mean he's relatively he's not a rookie at all, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.240 but he's he's young right tackle that hasn't played it, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.400 uh and since college. I think that he's I like 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.000 the way he plays. He's gonna get beat sometimes, but 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.520 he plays with a mean, nasty streak that I think 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.720 Doug Free played with at times, I think Colombo played with. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.360 And so he'll get better and better. So yeah, I 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.520 think I think they'll be good Amber. Oh yeah, definitely good. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.600 We're good here. Yeah. Um no, my thoughts. You know, doctor, 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.200 he was a good player. He was good. But I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.480 don't think the Cowboys are struggling without not having him here. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.320 You know, he was a very just one of those 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.440 guys that you can just count on and he's gonna 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.840 be there and do his job. And but I mean, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.200 aside from that, I think they're good. They're good here 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.680 in time, Like I'd be surprised if he's dominant just 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.240 right away, you know. And I think that's played out 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:14.040 at training camp. Is you see flashes we were watching together. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.800 He kicked to Marcus Lawrence's butt a lot yesterday. But 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.680 then he'll turn around and get just absolutely Docy Dode 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.240 a couple times in a road too. So in time, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.840 like he's he has the potential to be dominant, and 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.560 you see it, but he doesn't have the consistency yet. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.280 And he's never played right tackle before, so I don't 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.760 think he's gonna go out there and bulldoze everybody right away. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.200 But in time, I think they'll be good. I think 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.080 one of his biggest strengths is his weakness right now 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.880 is that I think he is trying to dominate everyone. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.640 He is trying to throw people to the ground sometimes 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.920 I think when when that's his mindset, to kind of 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.720 get his hands on people, you know, and and get 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.880 him down, h that's where he can he can miss. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.160 He sometimes he does try to block with his hands 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.840 and not his feet, and so I think that when 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.880 he gets you know, when he gets the pause on him, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.560 he can knock him down. And we've seen it. We've 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.280 seen good defensive tackles just get thrown around. But we've 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.120 also seen or being good defensive ends. But we've also 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.400 seen some good average defensive end beat him with spend 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.080 moves and things like that. So he's just got to 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.000 work on technique. But I think I agree with Dave. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.840 With time, he'll be good. All right, Let's talk about 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.240 the safety position. Barry Church he moves on to the 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.240 Jacksonville Jaguars. Huh, it's a good one. It is a 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.360 good one. He actually got a four year, twenty six 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.560 million dollar contract, twelve million guaranteed, so significant money for safety. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.520 Jeff heat is going to be the guy that's gonna 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.280 be tapped to replace him as the second safety in 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.200 this defense. They kind of move those safeties around, you 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.040 know a little bit. But all that being said, do 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:52.120 you think we're good here? Safety position? All right? Yeah, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.400 eventually will will go go ahead, go ahead, I'll say 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.800 not yet. No, I haven't seen I haven't seen Jeff 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.720 Heath to be better than by Barry Church. I thought 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.960 he would be. I thought he I mean, I thought 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.600 he would be a little bit further along. But you know, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.560 they've only played spot duty here in the preseason when 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.320 they're trying to be really vanilla. So uh, it's it 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.000 might be a tad early to evaluate him, but he 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:19.000 hasn't made really plays that stand out. Can I qualify 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.320 that just a little bit. Put that in the context 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.520 of the money that was paid to Bury Church. When 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.520 you factor that in, do you think you'll get comparable play? 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.960 Maybe not as good as Barry Church, but comparable play 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.600 for a lot less money. Oh yeah, I mean if 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.119 we're throwing money in there, yeah, that's a part of it, right, 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.800 I mean we have so much money you can spend 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.600 under the cap, right yeah. But I look at it like, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.320 when when it's time to make the play, make the tackle, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.320 are you are you going to be as good as 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.240 what you were? So yeah, if you're throwing in money, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.639 which is a factor there. But I mean, I'll answer 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.760 it this way. I don't think that that Jeff Heath 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.840 is on Burry Church's level right now, and I think 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.840 the Cowboys might miss that tackling. I'm I'm conflicted. I 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.879 think before training camp I argued with you and I 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.399 buried Church is an above average player. I didn't say great, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.720 but you were tinkering with I was no, I was 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.680 tinkering with I said, he's not a Pro Bowl caliber player. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.160 But he's pretty damn good and I still believe that. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.679 But by I don't think of Barry Church as like 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.600 this playmaker. He's the steady, reliable guy. He's gonna make 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.960 the tackle when the running back gets to the second 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.000 or third level. He's going to keep the eight yard 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.080 gain from being a twenty five yard game. He's not 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.760 great in past coverage, but he's usually not the reason 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.760 why there's a forty yard touchdown. That's what I defined 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.760 as a solid guy, right, He's solid. And so I 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.040 don't think Jeff Heath is as good as Bury Church yet, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.240 But I also don't think that there's just this incredible 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:56.280 presence lacking in the Cowboys secondary. I think Jeff Heath 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.560 can probably do those things. Maybe he won't do him 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.960 as well, and you know, I don't. The safety position 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.520 is not better than it was last year, but through 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.000 what we've seen so far, I don't think it's significantly 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.600 worse either. But the thing about Heath, though, and I 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.600 think Nick you're the one that said this, I think 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.000 I've heard you say this before. He is a guy 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.360 that can make some plays for He's made a few 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.960 plays in his career and so from that stampoint, if 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.200 he can be as consistent a tackler as Barry Church, 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.680 then maybe there's an opportunity for him to be better. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.320 I'm not saying he will be, because again I'm I 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.800 wish they would have done a little bit more at 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.159 the safety position personally. But if you want to just 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.840 play devil's advocate here, you look at the fact that 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.160