1 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks. 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to the shop. Thanks Feta Chop Talk number forty eight. 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: It's March and I'm time stamping this a little. 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Bit, but but I will well. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It'll be close March Madness and probably 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: not the national champ Well, if the National Championship has 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: been decided by the time this airs, still in the 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: honor of March Madness, we're going to talk about laughing 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: and crying and thinking and thinking. Jimmy Valvano, Jimmy v 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Many basketball fans will remember them, but those who don't. 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: He was an American basketball player, coach, and broadcaster. His 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: coaching career culminated at North Carolina State, whereas team won 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty three NCAA Division One men's basketball title 14 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: against really improbable Odds and Alex. I think about the 15 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: clip of right after the game of him running all 16 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: over the floor just looking for somebody to hug, and 17 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: how excited he was, And I mean it was a 18 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: David vers Elias story. 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: So it's Houston, the Houston Cougar. 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: It was the you know, the Fisslama Jama group. I 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: think Clyde Drexler at keem olaj one. It ended up 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: beating with a bunch of no names who eventually became 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: a bunch of NBA Hall of Famers. And at the 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: end a guard shot the ball and it came up 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: woefully short, and a guy named the last name of Charles, 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: I think, caught it and put it in right at 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: the last second and placement crazy. It's it's really what 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: makes March madness so mad? What it is? Yeah, so mad. 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: In June ninety two, Jimmy v was diagnosed with cancer, 30 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: and on March fourth, nineteen ninety three, he gave a 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: now famous speech at the spe Awards that's been called 32 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: the don't give up speech. As one person's commented on YouTube, 33 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: he died fifty eight days after giving the speech. But 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: those eleven minutes of that speech, who is more live 35 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: than anyone in the room. After the break, we'll play 36 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: for you one of our favorite parts of that speech, 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: and then tell you what we kind of want to 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: share with you, in honor of March madness, in honor 39 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: of this time of year, and in honor of an 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: amazing man and motivator, Jimmy Valvano. Right after these brief 41 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: messages from our general sponsors. Everybody welcome back Shop talk. 42 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: So from an amazing speech by coach Jim Valvano thirty 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: second clip for you to listen to before we comment. 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: People say to me, how do you get through life? 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: Or each day's the same thing? To me? There are 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: three things we all should do every day. 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: If we do this every day of our life, you're 48 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: gonna have what a wonderful Number one is laugh, You 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: should laugh every day. 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: Number two is think, you should spend some time in thought. 51 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: And number three is you should have your emotions moved 52 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: to tears could. 53 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: Be happiness or joy. 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: To think about it. 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a 56 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: full day. 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: That's a heck of a day. 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: You do that seven days a week, you're gonna have 59 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: something special. Laugh, think, cry every day and that's a 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: full day. You know, it's so true. And what better 61 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: things to do than to experience the raw motion of 62 00:03:54,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: real laughter and the raw motion of crying. And you know, 63 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: as we all know, crying can be sorrow, but it 64 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: can also crying can be extreme gratitude, emotion, being moved. 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 3: And I have always tell people I have three happy 66 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: cries when I watch Undefeated, three happy cries and the 67 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: scene where you guys tell him you just got a 68 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: full ride to college. Yeah, and then somebody who's going 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: to pay for his tuition. The scene I'm always blanking 70 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: on the players, but at the very end after the 71 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: game that you guys are hugging and basically telling each 72 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: other how much you love each other. Yeah, And I'm 73 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: forgetting the third part. But you know, I always chokingly 74 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: tell people. Harry Potter said that he cried four times 75 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: Daniel Ratcliff his favorite sports film, and he cries four 76 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: times in the last four But I mean that's actually 77 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: a good example of a really happy cry that you've being. 78 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: As spoke about that, and he ranks it his best 79 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: sports movie ever, which is kind of a you know, 80 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: on the one hand, that's, you know, an honor. On 81 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: the other hand, we are talking about a wizard, so 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't. 83 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: Know he's a real human being built. 84 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you want to know when I cried 85 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: first time I ever saw it? 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: Where well that the guy I actually know about go ahead. 87 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: As when we were walking off the field and I 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: was holding Max's equipment, I had no idea they I 89 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: didn't even know the cameras are there. I'd never I 90 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: didn't remember doing that, but it was such a juxtaposition 91 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: of me as a father versus me as a kid, 92 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: and holy smokes, I bought like a baby and I, 93 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, only an idiot laughs at his own jokes, 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: So I guess only an idiot gets moved by a 95 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: movie'es in, but I did anyway. Good Good for the 96 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: directors and editors for doing that. Laugh, think, cry, the 97 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: third ones think, and you know, to spend a little 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: quiet time in thought, and the thought about what you 99 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: can do in the world especially is really good advice. 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: So as I think about what we do as an 101 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: army of normal folks, you know, if we can tell 102 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: stories or we can make challenges to our listeners that 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: make them laugh, that make them cry, and that make 104 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: them think, then we've done our job. And if we haven't, 105 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: we've missed the mark. Likewise, if you can engage in 106 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: things outside of your life, outside of your busy, normal 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: lives that make you laugh and cry and think, odds 108 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: are you're doing something worthwhile. Not not make the people 109 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: you're serving laugh, crime, think, but make you laugh crime think. 110 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: If you if you were if you were engaged in 111 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: something that makes you happy and smile and laugh and 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: joyous and cry because you want to do more, or 113 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: cry because of the successes that you see and the 114 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: people you serve, and then make you think about what 115 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: next about maybe are the people you serving changing some 116 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: preconceived motions in your mind? Laugh, cry? Think if we 117 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: had an army of normal folks engaged in things that 118 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: make them laugh, cry and think, I think we reached 119 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: the world. We think, alex. 120 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: Amen, brother, you chose eerarained conversations with people every day, 121 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: and you know there's like a line never talk to 122 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: people about politics and religion, and then my family growing 123 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: up really screw that word. 124 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's two of the three things I like 125 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: talking about the most, politics, religion and sports. 126 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: Well, the sports is about to be a part of 127 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: my negative or if like what do you just want 128 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: to talk about the weather in sports all day? Like 129 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: that's I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that, 130 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: but like having actual, meaningful conversations with people, and as 131 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: you always say, if you do it respectfully. 132 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: My dad actually says this, you know. 133 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: So he's in the finance world, right and he talks 134 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: about politics and religion with his clients that a lot 135 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: of people would say, you're nuts, like, why would you 136 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: like jeopardize, you know, a potential relationship with somebody. 137 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: But I would argue that if you do it civilly 138 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: and in a non threatening way, you're not jeopardizing relationships, 139 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: but you're actually building. 140 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: Them absolutely and they respect them, you know. 141 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: If they differ with you, if they can garner respect 142 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: for your viewpoint and they recognize you're not crazy for 143 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: thinking the way you do even though you differ, you 144 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: can build a relationship on those differences. 145 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: And so when you're wearing conversations with people, what can 146 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: we add to a conversation that's going to make people laugh, 147 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: think and. 148 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: Cry and think? 149 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: And what can we do in our lives that make 150 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: us laugh, cry and thing. That's the depth of an 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: army in normal folks, And that's how you build relationships. 152 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's how you change the world. 153 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: So tw other things from his speech he said, as 154 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: Dick Vitel said, I'm a very emotional and passionate man. 155 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: I can't help it. 156 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: That's being the son of Rocco and Angelina Volvano. It 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: comes with the territory we hug, we kiss, we love. 158 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 3: I just let you hear his voice stated too, it's 159 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: so good, the Italian voice that just hey, we live life. 160 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: In this very vibrant way. 161 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: I don't know if actually I once told the story 162 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: with the biographer of Sam Phillips. Yeah, I mean, you 163 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: could probably tell the story better than me. But what 164 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: he did Johnny Cash and Elvis and all these. 165 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: Lewis and Patty Roy Orbison, all of it. 166 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 2: But he grew up in like half. 167 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: The traveling Willlbury's he recorded and. 168 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: Like Florence, Alabama or somewhere out there where you know 169 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: a lot of those musicians you know, came from. And 170 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: he would actually say of that, like he would stand 171 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: outside the black church and just like how rockous you 172 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: know it was, Here is this white guy standing outside 173 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: the church. He's even got some line in the book 174 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: like they're allowed to church. 175 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: They make love. 176 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: Loud, Like everything is just vibrant and loud and like, 177 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: and that's kind of what Jimmy V Is saying too, 178 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: like we huggly kiss, you know, we're not ashamed of it. 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: This is let's live this vibrant, fun life. 180 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: We're emotional, but that's what creates laughter and tears and 181 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: makes you think and it's, uh, that's awesome. 182 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: What's what other funny Jimmy v things. 183 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: So at the very end, he's going over time and 184 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: he's like this clock keeps telling me I'm thirty seconds left. 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: But frankly, I don't care that the guy in the 186 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 3: back of the room is saying this, I'm about to die. 187 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: A guy that can make you laugh about his own 188 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: own impending death is a pretty special guy. You guys 189 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: got to look up the the speech. 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: It's called that Don't give Up Speech. 191 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: Don't give Up Speech from the spis I think in 192 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: eighty three and google it. It's eleven minutes. And if 193 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: you want to laugh, think, and cry, recognize that the 194 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: man was dead fifty eight days later when he gave 195 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: that emotional speech with a smile on his face, so 196 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: happy about every moment that he had. So that's it 197 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: shop talk number forty eight. Engage in things that make 198 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: you laugh, think, and cry, and share those with around 199 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: you and see if your life and the lives of 200 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: those around you aren't deeply enriched by those three things. 201 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: That's shop talk number forty eight. We'll see you next week.