1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, we're going on tour in two thousand and seventeen, 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: so listen up. That's right. You can get all the 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: deeds at s y s K live dot com. Current 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: cities who love us Toronto, Vancouver, Atlanta, Chicago, Minneapolis. No, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: they don't love us so much in Chicago. Oh yeah, 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: they're coming around though. In Austin doesn't love us. So 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: we need Chicago and Austin to come out and see 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: us so you can explain why there's no love. Yeah, 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: and everybody else, go to s y sk live dot 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: com and buy your tickets now because they're going fast. 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry your own rolling. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Put three of us together, get us to talking. You 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: got stuff you should know, and you have afternoon tea. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: M I am having some tea right now. I see that. Yeah, 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: it's um, what's that Tazo stuff with the passion fruit 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and you know hibiscus and everything. I think that's the 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Todso passion fruit hybiscus ta oh yeah that one is 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: that buzz marketing yeah, well he buzz market for worse 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: than t I guess maybe a local heroin dealer who 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: who's puts fent and all in it without telling you. Yeah, 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: that about Jimmy on the corner. Right. We should probably 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: not talk too much about heroin though, Chuck, because I'll 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: bet you this episode gets played in a decent amount 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: of like middle schools. Yeah, and I'm glad we got 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: in a couple of jokes early on, because, um, I 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: think ghost fishing will rank alongside like the MS Show 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and the HIV shows as the least funny things to 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, it is pretty sad, actually, and I 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: want to actually find ways for humor. And I was like, 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: this is really awful and sad. Well, we'll just take 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: our usual tech where if it if it ears its head, 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: well we'll jump on it and shake it around and 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: hold it up for everybody to see. Yeah, I think 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: that's what we do. I think one of the things 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: that was most depression depression, uh depressing to me was 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: the I didn't know about all this and then I'm 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: like in the mid forties and I'm just learning about this. Well, 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: you know how we learned about it. You remember first 41 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: hearing about this. We got an email from and I 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: feel like such a heel. We got an email from 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: a class, like a group um in a class. I 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: want to say. It was probably a middle school class 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: who had done a project on ghost fishing, and they said, 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: you know who would want to do an episode on 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: this is Josh and Chuck. So they're the ones who 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: brought this to our attention. And I cannot find the email. 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: It's gone. So I'm very sorry group from class that 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: I can no longer identify. But you guys, if you 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: rode in to tell us to do an episode about 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: ghost fishing and gave us some sources to start with, 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: you're the only ones who so we're talking about you. 54 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I think it was Mrs Bailey's oceanography class. That's right 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: at uh Sherman Hemsley Middle School and round Rock, Texas. Man, 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: that show, Amen, was all right. I never watched that. 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't know? It was pretty good. I mean 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: it was just basically George Jefferson as a preacher, yeah, 59 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, you could watch him do anything, 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, George Jefferson as a garbage man, George Jefferson 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: as the president, George Jefferson is rescuing sea turtles for 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: ghost fishing? Is he still with us? I don't know? 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: All right, so um, we should This is definitely one 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: of the ones we should not just start talking about 65 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: without defining it. First. Most people don't know what ghost 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: fishing is. Yeah, And sadly, like you said before we 67 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: hit record, Jerry, uh always asked us what we're doing today, 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: and you said, ghost fishing. What sounds a lot cooler 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: than it is when I when you sent it over, 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ghost fishing, that sounds really neat, 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: but it's no, there's nothing neat about it. No, no, 72 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: but it does have a cool name. Agreed. Yeah, technically 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: the definition is called abandoned, lost or discarded fishing gear 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: a l d f G. And what this is is 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: professional commercial fishing gear. Uh. And I'm sure there's a 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: small amount of recreational fishing gear, but that's not the 77 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: real issue. But commercial fishing gear that has been left 78 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: out to see that then goes on to just kill 79 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: and maim sea life for hundreds of years. Yeah, it's 80 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: it's awful. Yeah, And it's a real, really big problem. 81 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: Like just to give one example, will kind of go 82 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: around the world a little bit later, but just in 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: the northeast Atlantic Um there they found in one fishery. 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: So if you if you look at a c that 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: in a higher seas going to have like different fisheries, 86 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: different areas where they're like lots of fish. Typically in 87 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: just one of those little spots in one sea in 88 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: the world, they found something like five thousand nets. But 89 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: this is what they estimated, nets totaling about twelve hundred 90 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: and fifty kilometers in length that were lost every year, 91 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: every year. So I want to put that into scale, right, 92 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: I did a little Google mapping. Kilometers will get you 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: from New York to Chicago. It will be yeah, like 94 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: a hundred million. Um. It will get you from Brisbane 95 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: to Canberra. I don't know where that second place is there, 96 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: so they're both in Australia. And then it will also 97 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: get you a little under a round trip between London, 98 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: London and Edinburgh. Yeah, so it's a that's a lot 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: of netting and that's just was lost in that one 100 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: fishery every year. Yeah, we might as well just throw 101 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: out a few of these because this is gonna be 102 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: a lot of staggering stats. Uh. The U N Environmental 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Program UNIP and the Food and Agricultural Organization of the 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: United Nations Nations. And this is a conservative estimate. They 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: said that six hundred and forty thousand tons a fishing 106 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: gear or left in the oceans each year. Yeah. I 107 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: did another a little bit of more googling. You're ready, okay? 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: That that is equal to five hundred and fifty six thousand, 109 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty one Ford Fiestas just dumped in 110 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: the ocean every year by way out Ford Fiesta's just 111 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: to sully their name. I don't know, because I mean 112 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: four Fista is a well selling car all around the world, 113 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: so everybody knows what a Ford Fiesta looks like. I 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: probably couldn't pick one out on the road, but sure 115 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: you could too. You would just know intuitively that that's 116 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: a Ford Fiesta. Uh. Here's another example, UM, Washington State 117 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: right here in the United States. UM, they did a 118 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: little clean up job there recently. And we'll get to 119 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the cleanup efforts because it is happening on a smaller scale, 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: hopefully increasing. But in this one area they got, uh 121 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: they wrangled eight hundred and seventy ghost nets, UM, and 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: that contained more than thirty two thousand marine animals. Yeah, 123 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: and this is just in one part of Washington State. 124 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: And and if you say, well, who cares about marine animals, well, 125 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: everything that included five hundred birds and mammals. Yeah, and 126 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: we're talking like like big big males, like whales. This 127 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: affects everything from whales on down to little tiny fish. 128 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: These things are just out there floating around. They get 129 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: loose um one way or another, and they just float 130 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: through the oceans and they can travel very very long 131 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: distance is and along the way, animals get trapped at them. 132 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole point of commercial fishing gear is 133 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: to trap animals. The problem is is when you when 134 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: they're operating correctly, they're reeled in and they bring the 135 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: animals with them and then people eat them and you 136 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: can have issues with that or whatever, but at least 137 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: they're not just completely going to waste, which is the 138 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: problem with ghost fishing. These things are like floating little 139 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: islands of death that trapped all manner of sea life. Um. 140 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: And then they just die one way or another, either 141 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: very quickly depending on whether they need to breathe like 142 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: their marine mammal and they can't surface or there um. 143 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: A sea turtle that um that that can't feed any 144 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: longer because it's it's got a net growing around its 145 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: mouth because it stuck its head through a loop when 146 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: it was a juvenile, Yeah, and said, oh what's in 147 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: there that looks neat? Let me stick my face in it. 148 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: And now I have a net, and then I grow 149 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: bigger in the net stays there, uh and potentially cuts 150 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: into my skin and becomes a part of me like 151 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: little turn Old mothers tell their turtle babies this, like, 152 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: don't put your head through a loops, just like they 153 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: human mothers tell their kids. Don't stick your arm out 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: of a school bus. Yeah, same same thing, I would guess. 155 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: Here's another stat The World Animal Protection Group estimates that 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: getting snared and ghost gear kills about a hundred and 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: thirty six thousand seal, sea lions and large whales every year. 158 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: And and you know some of these animals are already endangered. 159 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: Uh so any conservation efforts are being at the very 160 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: least blunted by or stunted I guess both by you know, 161 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: these other things going on. It's just it's it's a 162 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: staggering problem. This um, the plastics that they use, I 163 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: mean back in the day, they used to actually not 164 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: even that long ago. Nets were made of things that 165 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: would biodegrade, like sometimes they were cotton or hemp um. 166 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: And now you know, as we quote advance unquote with synthetics, 167 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: they have these plastics that these things could be out 168 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: there for five or six hundred years. Yeah, and when 169 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: they if they do break up, then the animals eat 170 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: that stuff and die. Yeah. Do you remember our great 171 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: Pacific garbage patch episode from years and years ago. Yeah, 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: that factors in for sure. Yeah. Well, so a lot 173 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: of this stuff goes and and is attracted to that 174 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: those huge gyres out there in the ocean. And we 175 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: talked about in in that episode about how plastic photo 176 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: degrades when it's just out there in the sun. The 177 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: motion of ocean currents combined with the sun photo degrading it. 178 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: It breaks it down into smaller and smaller bits that 179 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: become part of the food chain, which is not good. 180 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: You don't want your food chade eating petroleum based plastics. 181 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: And that's what commercial fishing gear is made out of, 182 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: which again that's why it lasts so long, hundreds of 183 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: years um, which is what you want. You want something 184 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: very durable in your fishing gear. But when it gets loose, 185 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: it's a big problem. And like you said, it's a 186 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: early recent problem too, because it wasn't that long ago 187 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: like that people were using nets that degraded a lot, 188 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: a lot easier. Yeah, I mean it says, uh, it 189 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: says in here. I'm not sure where you source this, 190 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: but fifty or sixty years ago. So in the history 191 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: of fishing, this, this synthetic netting is pretty new. Um. 192 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: And this isn't just like and we're gonna talk a 193 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: lot about animals, because that's sort of the main problem, 194 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: but um, it's an issue to the industry to like 195 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: it says right here that here in the US, they've 196 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: estimated that uh, one single ghost net that's lost or 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: discarded or whatever can kill almost twenty dollars worth of 198 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: dungeness crab over a ten year span. That's just one net, right, 199 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: And then there's like you could buy you could buy 200 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: seven that amount of money. I knew you'd get some 201 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: comedy in there. Uh. And then there are you know, 202 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: the small vessels, uh, small and even larger vessels that 203 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: can get tangled the stuff. They're divers that can't navigate 204 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: through the stuff, so there is a bit of a 205 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: human impact as well. Um. I think we should take 206 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: a break though, because I'm getting hot under the collar, Okay, 207 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about more of this 208 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: stuff right after this. Alright, chuck. So we've we've kind 209 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: of given a good overview. But let's get into just 210 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: how fishing gear could kill marine animals. And there's there's 211 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: a number of different ways and it kind of depends 212 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: on the animal. So to start off with, um, we 213 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: mentioned how a seat turtle might be like, oh, what's 214 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: what's on the other side of this loop? Danger? Right? Um? 215 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: Young seal pups might be doing the same thing. There's 216 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: a very famous picture of a turtle with a six 217 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: pack ring. Yeah, man, and its shell is normal size 218 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: on either side of the six pack ring. But then 219 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: it looks like it's one of those waste trainers people 220 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: who have have worn a corset for ten years. It's 221 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: basically the same thing that nylon. That's exactly what this 222 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: commercial fishing gear is made out of. It's made out 223 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: of plastic nylon or nilon plastic, and um, it holds 224 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: fast and when it when a turtle gets stuck in 225 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: it or gets it stuck around them when they're young, 226 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: as they grow it. Basically they have to grow around 227 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: this thing. And it's not good. It's not good for 228 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: your physiology, it's not good for locomotion. You're going to 229 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: be a stunted little turtle when you grow up like that. Yeah, 230 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: they I think you mentioned obviously marine mammals that need 231 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: to surface. Um, they could die within minutes just because 232 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: they're simply trapped. They can be affixiated through like immediately 233 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: like that, or through you know, over the course of 234 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: months and years die slow, awful, more awful deaths. Uh. 235 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: They can prevent them from feeding, like like you said, 236 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: if something gets wrapped around their mouth and they literally 237 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: just can't open their mouth, they will starve to death 238 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: or locomotion can be affected too, right, So if you 239 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: are a slow turtle, yeah, you're gonna have trouble going 240 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: after food. Um, and you may starve to death like 241 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: that as well. Yeah, or you know, swimming circles for 242 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: the rest of your life because like one side of 243 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: your body is entangled, right. Um, so you said there 244 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: there you can kind of break down the manner of 245 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: death into acute or chronic One of the sad chronic 246 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: ones that got me was from towing. Right. Yeah, So 247 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: let's say you're a whale, your decent size mammal, thank you, 248 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: you're swimming, you're swimming along, and you get a net 249 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: stuck on you, like hell fast, You're stuck. You could 250 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: still conceivably swim along for a while, for a very 251 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: long while, but now you have basically what amounts to 252 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: an extra appendage, a ghost net dragging from you. That's 253 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: bad enough as it is, because these nets are enormous. 254 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Like I was reading about tuna nets. Some tuna fishers 255 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: use these nets that fall like seven hundred feet deep 256 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: and are a mile wide. So you get a segment 257 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: of that, even just a segment of what are those 258 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: nets on you? It's going to drag you down, make 259 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: it harder for you to just move normally. But then 260 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: on top of that, that net is probably going to 261 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: catch other animals over time, So not only are you 262 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: dragging this net, you're also dragging all the animals who 263 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: have been caught in that same net, and um have 264 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: probably died. And then eventually you're just going to not 265 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: be able to keep up any longer, and you you do, 266 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: you drown. Yeah, like I can't imagine a lot of 267 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: things more just shameful for for humans than seeing a 268 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: blue whale dragging a hundred foot net full of dead 269 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: sea animals behind it until it dies. It's pretty bad. 270 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even have conceived of something that awful 271 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: until I've learned about the stuff. It's last word is 272 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: why serious? Um? I know this is not a it's 273 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: not a happy episode. It's not. It's and the other 274 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: problem is it's I think this is one reason a 275 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: lot of people haven't heard of this too. It's like, 276 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: how many more problems can we have to deal with? 277 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: It's just add one more to the pile, and it 278 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: makes it really hard not to just get like like 279 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: catastrophe fatigued. You know, but you just you can't. You can't. 280 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't let it happen. You 281 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: gotta go take a break, shake it off, and come 282 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: back at it with with vigor, or you need to 283 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: say this one, this one means something to me so 284 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: much so that I'm actually going to do something about this. 285 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna like click my tongue and shake 286 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: my head and keep scrolling through my Twitter feed. I'm 287 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: gonna do something about this. No matter whether it's dealing 288 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: with ghost fishing or dealing with climate change or whatever 289 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: strikes you in that way, go after it. And that's 290 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: that's probably the best thing you can do that rather 291 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: than trying to take on everything at once. I totally agree, man. 292 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: And I also uh poo poo the idea that like, well, 293 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: you can't say this is bad when you still do this. Yeah, 294 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: though it can all be bad. Yeah, And like you 295 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: can't not everyone can tackle everything. So if you want 296 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: to be an advocate for for dogs on the street 297 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: and go do that, um, because the obvious thing would 298 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: be for people say well, don't eat fish, don't support 299 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: the industry, right, and like how can you eat How 300 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: can you be a dog advocate and still eat fish? 301 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: Are you going on? You're worse than Hitler? But I say, like, 302 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: find whatever is meaningful to you and try and affect 303 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: change there as best you can. Yeah, but you know, 304 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: and then you can say I spent every weekend for 305 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: the last year cleaning up ghost fishing nets and saving 306 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: seal pups. What did you do, judge? Uh, so, how 307 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: does this happen? I think that's an enough Like we've 308 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: hit people over the head pretty hard with this stuff. 309 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: Are you sure? I think, I mean, there'll be some 310 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: more stats in here, but I think they get the point. Um, 311 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: how does this stuff happen? Uh? And I'm and I'm 312 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: asking us both And I'll go ahead and say one 313 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: thing is sometimes it's accidental. Sometimes there's bad weather, um, 314 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: and you you have to abandon your gear. Yeah. There 315 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: was a two thousand nine UM United Nations Food and 316 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: Agriculture Organization report that found that most ghost fishing gear 317 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: is not intentionally discarded, that most of it is accidentally lost, right, 318 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: which is good that that makes you feel a little better. 319 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: And it's not just fisherman don't like who ca yeah 320 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: see you in hell see, but that that also does happen. 321 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: It does sadly, it's nice to know that that's not 322 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: the bulk of it, right, So that when it's unintentional, 323 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: when it's accidental or something like that. In active nature, 324 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's just um, severe weather, like 325 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: a big storm comes up and just breaks your lines 326 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden all of your nets are lost. 327 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: And believe me, if you're a commercial fisherman, that is 328 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: about the worst thing that can happen to you short 329 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: of sinking while you're out, you know, especially if your 330 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: net was already full and you're reeling it in and 331 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: you lost it because of nature. Um, that's that's that's 332 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: bad for everybody. Another thing that can happen is and 333 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: this is one of the bad ones. You could be 334 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: have elite a gear, or be fishing illegally, maybe using 335 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: a method you shouldn't or in a place you shouldn't be, 336 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: and you, uh, there's what's called enforcement pressure, and you 337 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: abandon your gear because you don't want to get in trouble. Yeah, 338 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: there basically just kind of whistle like I wasn't doing anything. Um. 339 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: There's also what they call spatial pressure, where if you 340 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: have some nets floating along and another boat comes into 341 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: the area, doesn't see it, and runs over them, basically 342 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: cut some loose from their moorings. Then that has just 343 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: become ghost fishing gear itself. Yeah. The economic pressure I 344 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: don't fully get this. What I would imagine that could 345 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: mean is, you know, it would cost us more to 346 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: go out and retrieve these things than to just go 347 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: back to port and get these guys off the clock. 348 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: That's part of it. That is definitely part of it, 349 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: I think, like if you're I think more often than not, 350 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: is if your gear is all torn up or whatever, 351 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: and if you take it back to port and you're 352 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: charged a fee for dumping it because it's considered waste, 353 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: Like I think that's that's how it's treated in the Netherlands. 354 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: It makes more sense for you just litter if you're 355 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to pay to have it disposed of properly, 356 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: the well the sea can take it. I'll just cut 357 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: it loose and look the other way and go back 358 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: home and say, what fishing gear. I don't have anything 359 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: to throw away. So that's economic pressure. And to me, 360 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk about later. That is the key dissolving ghosts 361 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: fishing if you ask me, Yeah, and real quickly, like 362 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't think we said for sure, it's not always 363 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: just nets um like crab pots and traps and nets 364 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: for sure, fishing line, hooks, rope. And the one that 365 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: really chase me is packing bands. So these bands around 366 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: bait boxes and stuff, those are clearly just dumped. Oh yeah, 367 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: they just tossed it over the side. Yeah, And that's 368 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: actually in violation of a United Nations UM convention from 369 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: y three that basically was looking to stop pollution from 370 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: ships and um, you're not supposed to throw anything over 371 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: the side, from those packing bands to cooking oil that 372 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: you fried your French fries in. Like, nothing is supposed 373 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: to go over the side except possibly fishing trails from 374 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: cleaning fish. It's called the Don't be a Huge Jerk Convention. Yeah, 375 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: of ninety that was a heck of a convention. Uh 376 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: so some of the indirect it was, wasn't it. It's 377 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: basically like a Max Funcan convention. I remember that and 378 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Fred Rogers that was the keynote speaker. It's pretty great. Uh. 379 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: Some of the indirect causes and we'll see here in 380 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: a bit. One of the biggest, biggest problems is, like 381 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: you said, when you come back in with maybe unwanted 382 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: fishing gear and there's a where to dispose of it. Um, 383 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: just simply a lack of these facilities at port uh 384 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: is a big, big problem. Yeah, And that could is 385 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: that what you said could fix at all, no putting making, 386 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: changing it from being an economic burden economic incentive to 387 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: bring in your old fishing gear. I think that will 388 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: change it. But that's what you just said is a 389 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: huge part of that you need to have places for 390 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: people that either take it and get money in exchange 391 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: for their old stuff, or at the very least just 392 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: throw it in a bin somewhere and not get charged 393 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, exactly, because you know, if you if 394 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: you know that you can just throw it away right 395 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: when you get to shore, it's only going to take 396 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: up that space on your way back in. Um, there's 397 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that you're not going to litter 398 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: a mile wide net, you know, especially and especially if 399 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: you can get money for it. Yeah. And another one 400 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: of the big problems here, uh, in this one article 401 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: you sent was it's I think you know these these 402 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: commercial fishermen are I used to watch Deadliest Catch. I 403 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: know how these guys are. Uh. They're notoriously stubborn about 404 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: new uh technologies, or ironically, it wouldn't be a new 405 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: technology if they tried to go back to biodegradable nets. 406 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: But just convincing these uh these men and women too 407 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: add extra expense or add an extra trip to buy 408 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: something that will help the the environment. It's a hard sell, 409 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: even though, like dudes, you're costing yourself crab money, because 410 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: like twenty grand one lost net can cost twenty dollars 411 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: with a crab over ten years. I think they live 412 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: more in the trip to trip mindset. Yeah, but I 413 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: think that their industry as a whole thinks of it 414 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: as like the over ten year kind of thing. And 415 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: so from what I understand, the industry is kind of 416 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: woken up to this a little more are and it's 417 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: starting to take measures a little bit. And we'll talk 418 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: about that. But um, yeah, it's it's entirely possible that 419 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: individual fishermen are just kind of like this is not 420 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah. This one quote in here really kind 421 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: of drives at home. And I've never heard of the 422 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: phrase tragedy of the commons, um, but I like it. 423 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: It says, as as with so many tragedy of the 424 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: common scenarios, the responsibility to actialize with everyone and the 425 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: incentive with no one, and that kind of drives at home. 426 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: There's no like, you know, a lot of times are 427 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: international waters there. I know, when they have made inroads 428 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: with some of these big commercial companies, they're a little 429 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: hesitant to get too involved because all of a sudden, 430 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: there name is printed in an article. Even if they're 431 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing, just being associated with 432 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: this stuff. They don't even want, you know, even if 433 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to help out a little bit. Yeah, because 434 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: again it's just one more problem. More morris, you know. Yeah, 435 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Like if a company stood up and said so and 436 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: so company is is making an effort to, uh, now 437 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: do this, then the flip side is like, well, what 438 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: have you been doing? That's true? Why did it take 439 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: this long? Yeah, that's definitely true. And so companies a 440 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: little reticent to even get involved, you know. Yeah, but 441 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: I think um, as of two thousand and fifteen, there 442 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: is a kind of a new initiative that started that's 443 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: that's bringing more people into the fold and making it 444 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: safe to join up. I remember what it was a 445 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: man that was a McDonald's something I can't remember now, pizza. 446 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: It was some new sandwich or something that said it's 447 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: like now made with like real chicken or something like that. 448 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: And that was like you put that on a sign 449 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: because everyone that saw that was like, what was I 450 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: eating for the past thirty years? No, with ingredients that 451 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: may not kill you. Um, let's take another break and 452 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: then we'll come back. We'll we'll take a quick trip 453 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: around the world and then we'll talk about what some 454 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: people are doing to combat ghost fish. Yeah, litt bit 455 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: of good news. Okay, alright, chuck, we're back and we're 456 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: in the home stretch. We're gonna solve this problem. But first, 457 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: let's go shame different parts of the world. Yes, let's uh, 458 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: how about we step onto my little dinghy and um 459 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: take a trip around the world. Okay, we'll take us 460 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: a while because my little dingy is slow, but we'll 461 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: get there eventually. Let's head to the Northeast Atlantic. Yeah, 462 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: we're we already talked about the thousand nets that are 463 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: tossed in there every year. All right, we've already been there, 464 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: and so I just wasted our three months getting there. Apologies. 465 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: All right, so we're stuck in the Northeast Atlantic. I apologize. 466 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: It's now going to take us six months to navigate, 467 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: uh through the midwest of the United States, through Nebraska 468 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: and Kansas in our boat. Maybe we should wear portaging 469 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: that's along boardage all the way to the northeast Pacific. Yeah, 470 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: in Washington State, Well that would be northwest, well, northeast 471 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean. I guess northwest US, but yeah, northeast Pacific. 472 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: So Washington State has oh, man, we already talked about this. 473 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: To remember, out of eight hundred and seventy gill nets 474 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: they rescued or they found, thirty, man, we we already 475 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: made it here. I hate backtracking, all right, carry you back, um, 476 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: all right, let's go to the northwest Atlantic, all right, 477 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: and we surely we haven't been there. I don't believe 478 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: we have the Gulf of St. Lawrence, for God's sake, 479 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: No we haven't. Okay, snow crab, this is one snow 480 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: crab fishery. Um, they lose about eight hundred traps a 481 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: year in this one fishery. And uh, some say that 482 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: each fisher like each boat may lose up to in 483 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: a year of their traps. And this is an old like, 484 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: this isn't an old fish tale. That's the National Oceanic 485 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: and Atmosphere Administration's just speak Bay Office saying an old 486 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: fish tale. Yeah, this isn't Finding Dory. I never saw 487 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: that one, but I did like, Um, what was it? Nemo? 488 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: I think, right, I haven't seen either one of them. 489 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh you haven't seen Finding Nemo. No, we'll save it, 490 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: save it. Well, Emily doesn't like any of those movies ever, 491 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, because every one of them has some sort 492 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: of sad death like she got after Bamby when she 493 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: was a kid. She's like, I'm done. Yeah this one, 494 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: this one has that too. Yeah, most of them do. 495 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: And I said, that's a significant reason it's a good movie. 496 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: Well that's why. I mean, that's the theory is that 497 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: that's why they do that, is to kind of teach 498 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: kids about death. Sure, because I mean it's so sanitized 499 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: and like kept out of sight in our society. That's 500 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: a good service, all right, finding Nemos on the list, 501 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: then yeah, you'll like it. You won't regret seeing where 502 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: should uh? Southwest Southeast Asia? Um, well, the Arabian Sea. 503 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: Let's make a little stop over there. They actually they're 504 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: all woke over there. They figured out that they're people 505 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: were losing back in two thousand two about two hundred 506 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: and sixty thousand traps per year. Yeah, which is a 507 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: problem not just for like say the lobster or crab 508 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: or shrimp that they're intended for. They, um, they there's 509 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: a lot of by catch that, say, like a lobster 510 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: trap can catch as well, like fish can make their 511 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: way in there too. So you've got two hundred sixty 512 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: thousand traps just floating around, no longer providing any seafood 513 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: for anybody. They're just death traps, literal death traps. That's 514 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: a problem. And so the United Arab Emirates UM ruled 515 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: that you had to put a biodegradable like face or 516 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: panel on the traps from from that point, not from 517 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: two to one. So eventually they were just open. Yeah, 518 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: eventually that one, that one fish that came in last 519 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: would be freed, while the other ones are like UH, 520 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean Gulf of Mexico, this pretty staggering around 521 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: UH Guadalupe. UH, they lose about half of their traps 522 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: every year during hurricane season yea, which is about twenty traps. Yeah, 523 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: half man, that's crazy. And then in UH Louisiana alone, 524 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: they think that they lose four to ten million blue 525 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: crabs lost to their traps. Just in Louisiana, four to 526 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: ten million blue crabs lost. All right, So this has 527 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: all been super depressing. UM. What can be done about it? 528 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: People are are trying to take action. There was an 529 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: UH an initiative in London founded by the World Animal 530 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: Protection It's an ng O UH and the Global Ghost 531 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: Gear Initiative it's pretty cool name. Uh. And here's the deal. Like, Sadly, 532 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: when you're first getting efforts like this going, a lot 533 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff that they're doing is like simply gathering 534 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: data because it's hard to get support because people say, well, 535 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: what's the data, what's it looking like? And if you say, well, 536 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: we don't really have great data yet, then they're kind 537 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: of grounded. So yeah, so the very first steps, um 538 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: is evidence building and reviewing policies and kind of not 539 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: rubber meets the road kind of things. But unfortunately those 540 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: have to be the first steps, right. But are they're 541 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: starting to gather data from some of the rubber meets 542 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: the road stuff. Um. So like if we can go 543 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: back over to the Pacific northwest right to the northeast Atlantic. Um. 544 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: I think there's like a little pilot program in Washington State, 545 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: uh to like clean up ghost fishing stuff and and 546 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: from I think two thousand ten, um, oh, no, two 547 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: thousand and seven they were they recovered four eighty one 548 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: lost gill nets. Right, so this kind of stuff where 549 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: you've got people, I think they they had like a 550 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: few million dollars from the government and just started a program. Um, 551 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: when you've got people doing these things, and then you 552 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: have a central organization like the Global Ghost Gear Initiative, 553 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: then the gears start moving, the wheels start moving, like 554 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: things start happening, because then you start to generate the data, 555 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: and then you can start to make the press releases. 556 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: Then you can start to like get the the public 557 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: aware of this kind of thing, and then you get 558 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: pressure on industry and then industry shapes up. Yeah. Here's 559 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things too, and this is not 560 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: just for this industry and this problem, but one of 561 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: my favorite favorite things in the world is when someone 562 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: comes along and says, hey, I'll take that waste product 563 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: you have because I can use it. That's what I'm 564 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: saying is going to be the key. Yeah, for sure. 565 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: And this is already happening a little bit because like 566 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things, you can generate power through some 567 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: of this stuff. So that's one way that I think 568 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: there's a company called networks. It's a like an organ 569 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: or it's like there's a few companies that came together 570 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: to to make networks. I think, well, in their case, 571 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't think they're turning into energy, but they're turning, uh, 572 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: fishing nets into carpet tiles, carpet tiles, boom great. Right, 573 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: there is a one called fishing for energy that's like no, uh, 574 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: Covanta Energy, right, and then of course Schnitzer Steel the 575 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: face of ghost Gear. They they all came together and 576 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: started putting UM gear recycling outposts and I think eleven states, 577 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: all over the place, all over the coasts of eleven states, 578 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: so that when fishermen come in, whether you're just a 579 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: little solo person and you've got some monofilament line left over, 580 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: or you're a commercial guy, you can just throw your 581 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: old gear in here and it gets recycled, right. And 582 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: then they take it, and I think Schnitzer Steel UM 583 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: takes it and get strips all the metal from it 584 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: for recycling, and then what's left goes to Covanta Energy 585 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: and they turn it into energy. I looked high and 586 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: low to exactly how they do that, and I couldn't 587 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: find it. So it makes me a little nervous about 588 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: what they're doing to turn this into energy. But they 589 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: supposedly have created enough energy from the stuff that they've 590 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: um that's been recycled to power like homes for a month. 591 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, And I mean this is this is 592 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: stuff that otherwise would have just gone out stayed out 593 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: in the sea and drowned whales and and turtles. You 594 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: like skateboarding, Sure, there's a sustainable skateboard retailer name b 595 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: u r e oh Bureo and they are turning uh, 596 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: fishing nets into skateboards. Like how cool is that? Yeah? 597 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: Just pretty cool because they're actually buying fishing net from fishermen. 598 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: Like there they use stuff, so they're giving money for 599 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: it and then they're turning around and using it to recycle. 600 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. And then there's there's a lot of 601 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: stuff you could do if you if you don't have 602 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: a skateboard company or you're not an energy company. Um. 603 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: There's a group called ghost Fishing and they Um, I 604 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: think that's what they're called, right, ghost fishing. I'm not 605 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 1: it's just goes. I think it's just goes fishing anyway. Um. 606 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: They yeah, they're they're group of divers. They were wreck 607 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: divers in the North Sea. I think they're originally based 608 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: maybe in the Netherlands. Um, and they noticed on these 609 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: wrecks that like there was tons of like ghost gear. 610 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: Apparently it's a big problem with shipwrecks, so that's why 611 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of dangerous for humans, and then also gets 612 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: caught up on coral and stuff too, so they started 613 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: cleaning up. They took it upon themselves and start cleaning 614 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: up some of these wrecks. And then little by little, 615 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: this little group of like friends that were you know, 616 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: wreck divers that started cleaning it up, started making connections 617 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: with other groups of divers all around the world. And 618 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, the Ghost Fishing I think 619 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: Ghost Fishing Alliance or Initiative is um. This this multinational 620 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: network of people who love scuba diving and who spend 621 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: some of their scuba diving time cleaning up ghost nets. 622 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: And there's actually pictures of these people like freeing seal 623 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: pups from ghost fishing nets. You know, it's pretty cool. 624 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: Like if you're into scuba diving, there's something you can 625 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: do right there. Yeah, imagine there are not many better 626 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: sleeps at night you can get than having spent your 627 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: day free and seal pups. You probably sleep pretty well. Uh. 628 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: In Australia, we can't leave you out. There are a 629 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: couple of cool things going on there. Um. There's a 630 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: program called or a group called ghost nets Australia and 631 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: they've been partnering with indigenous groups to basically help cleaning 632 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: up you know, this stuff in individual areas. Uh. And 633 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: then there's another fishery, Like we kind of have been 634 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: picking on the fisheries and some of these companies, but um, 635 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: some are getting on board. There's one in Australia called 636 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: the Northern Prawn Fishery, So definitely give them your support 637 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: if you live there. Uh. They're working with the World 638 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: Animal Protection Group two. UH. They report sightings, they report 639 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: ghost gear locations basically like here's where it is at 640 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: least and sometimes they're even involved in retrieving some of 641 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: this stuff and setting some of these animals free they 642 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: come across it. Yeah, I think that's like, that's part 643 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: of it. You know, there's there's you gotta have the 644 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: government involved to set up you know, recycling stations or whatever, 645 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: to fund pilot programs to get the data going. But 646 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: and then with industry, you have to educate industry, you 647 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: have to give them financial incentives to keep their nets 648 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: bringing to bring them back ashore. And then because they're 649 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: also the ones who are out there in the sea 650 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: to too to make it so that it's a it's 651 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: it's they have incentive to stop in and take in 652 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: ghost gear when they see it. And part of that 653 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: is like what just happened for North pron Fishery. They 654 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: just got free advertisement for being the good guys because 655 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: they got involved. So good, I think we just solved 656 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: the problem. I'll give you another shout out to There's 657 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: a brewery from del Rey, Florida, Delray Beach, Florida called 658 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: Saltwater Brewery, and they made some news recently because they 659 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: debuted a six pack ring that is made um to 660 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: bio degrade and it's also edible, So rather than growing 661 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: around a turtle or keeping a turtle from growing correctly, 662 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: a turtle can actually eat the six pack ring when 663 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: it encounters it, if it makes it into the the wall. Yeah, well, 664 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the crapperies don't even use the rings anymore. 665 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: They have the recycled plastic kind of lead things. You know, 666 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: good at job, you have me at brewery. Uh. If 667 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: you want to know more about ghost fishing or ghost gear, 668 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: you can type those words into your favorite search bar, 669 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: uh and it will bring up some pretty good stuff. 670 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: And since I said stuff, it's time for listener mail. 671 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this one a T shirt ideas and 672 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: an email from a dude that has kind of kept 673 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: up with our T shirt names and he wants us 674 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: to pick h all three of us to each pick 675 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: our favorite. Okay, that would be Jerry, Jerry, you just 676 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: knock like a horse on the ground when I get 677 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: to a T shirt you like, Hey, guys, love your 678 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: show and your tangents are hilarious, But it really cracks 679 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: me up are all the funny band names and T 680 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: shirt ideas you come up with. I collected a few 681 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: of my favorites over the years, and the time has come. 682 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: I mean to turn a few of these T shirt 683 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: dreams into realities, going to design and print a few 684 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: T shirts. But my problem is I can't decide which 685 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: phrases to use. So if you could each pick one, 686 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: it would really make my day. And there are twelve, 687 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: so starting with number one, trusses rock exclamation point, friends, 688 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: don't let friends at your candle. That's actually Emily has 689 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: that shirt. So that's the thing. Okay, I think some 690 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: one might have sent us send that in actually, ok yeah, 691 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,959 Speaker 1: because that's happened from time to time, Like we got 692 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: um Mike's on pants off t shirt. Yeah. Uh number three, 693 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: if you have a beacon, a probe, and a shovel, 694 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: you could be Okay. I don't even know if that 695 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: one run well. He tied them to the episodes, but um, 696 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: for brevity, I'm just gonna read these. Mystery is weird. 697 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: I like that one. Not too bad to each their own. 698 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: It seems a little snotty these days to have that 699 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 1: like on a shirt. Yeah yeah whatever, Uh Master of 700 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: Jamment that maybe mine is that? I think so so far. 701 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: Mine is Mystery is weird. I listened to the Tick episode. 702 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: I do remember that that's for everybody. This one's pretty good. 703 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: Find your own butter. Jerry just knocked on the floor. Okay, 704 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: there's Cherry I Viking boy. That's an old one, natural selection, Colin, 705 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: it just makes sense. Yeah, that's a good one, a 706 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: little preachy. Um, don't scrutinize me. It's aggressive and finally, 707 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: less wash our hands as often as possible. M That 708 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: mine is Mine's definitely mystery is weird? Okay, I'm gonna 709 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: go with Master of Enjama and Jerry definitely likes find 710 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: your own butter. Okay. In fact, I think Jerry said 711 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: that to me in this office. Who was that uh 712 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: that wrote that in? That is from Steve Rickart in 713 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: Grand Rapids, Michigan. Steve, and he said, if you send 714 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: me your shirt sizes, I'll be sure to make an 715 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 1: extra of each. So I'm an excel m you're probably 716 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: a what large? Yeah? Man, I'm right on the border 717 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: between like large being a little drapey and medium, like 718 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: really showing off way too much. Tum. There's something in 719 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: between medium and large. I guess large, Jerry, what are you? 720 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: Jerry's a medium? Did she stamp that out? She did? Medium? Unisex, 721 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: she said, uh. 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