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Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Thursday, April the seventh. It is
Speaker 1: time for another episode of the Draft Show, presented by
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Speaker 1: by Kyle Yeoman's and Brian brought us. Jeff Kavanaughs out
Speaker 1: in East Texas somewhere. I think, yeah, Lake Cato, right,
Speaker 1: something like that, hanging out. He's in beautiful. Beautiful to
Speaker 1: see him out there, say hello, ask him to a
Speaker 1: mock draft for you. I tried to get the I
Speaker 1: tried to get the invite he didn't offer. That's okay.
Speaker 1: We will guide you all through the next hour of
Speaker 1: draft talk, and guys, be honest. I'm I'm bored of
Speaker 1: the talking points. I'm bored of the guard receiver Zion
Speaker 1: Kenyon Green, Chris Lava Traylan Burke's conversation. I think he's
Speaker 1: saying there brought us he doesn't love the draft. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it another direction, cot which we will
Speaker 1: point out thirty visits are ongoing. Ironically, I think you know,
Speaker 1: Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson were like here yesterday. Big
Speaker 1: time prospects continue to roll through the Star. But what
Speaker 1: I want to do, it's not that I don't like
Speaker 1: the draft. I want to I want to go another
Speaker 1: layer deep because I feel like there's only so much
Speaker 1: we can say you love it too much. I want
Speaker 1: to get into the nitty gritty good. I want to
Speaker 1: start here at guard because just more more than anything
Speaker 1: at that position specifically, because like we've covered the gamut
Speaker 1: with receiver and a bunch of these other positions, I
Speaker 1: wonder if we've given the guard position it's due credit
Speaker 1: considering how big of a need it is for this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team. So I wanted to talk to you all
Speaker 1: about some of the other guys, the guys that aren't
Speaker 1: at the top of the depth chart, whether that's Darian Kinnard,
Speaker 1: who we've talked about a little bit, or Jamari Sailor
Speaker 1: out of Georgia, who I don't think we've talked about
Speaker 1: at all on this show. If the Cowboys don't draft
Speaker 1: a guard with the twenty fourth overall pick, I would
Speaker 1: just love to get a better idea of how y'all
Speaker 1: feel about the position. I think, you know when you
Speaker 1: all these positions, when you dive into them. Because I
Speaker 1: don't have that many first round grades. You have twenty
Speaker 1: guys on my first round grade board, so now, okay,
Speaker 1: where are the bulk of those other names appearing? And
Speaker 1: you know, the guard spot, to me is one of
Speaker 1: those positions that has a little depth from the rounds two, three, four.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you have guys that were
Speaker 1: converted tackles that are projected to guards, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that adds to a little bit to the intrigue
Speaker 1: are you you know with the Cowboys, they're in a situation.
Speaker 1: Would always believe in position flexibility. Can the guy do this?
Speaker 1: Can a guy do that? I would just rather, hey,
Speaker 1: find a guy, plug him in and let him play.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is this is a this is a
Speaker 1: group that I kind of feel like though that if
Speaker 1: you didn't get one in the first round, that you
Speaker 1: could find somebody offensive linemen are weird that way that
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, the first round ones are great to have,
Speaker 1: and Dallas has done a great job with plug and
Speaker 1: play first round guys. But the second, third round, fourth
Speaker 1: round guys, it might be one or two there that
Speaker 1: end up being better off than some maybe some of
Speaker 1: these first round guys were talking about. And it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to project because you mentioned kind of the position
Speaker 1: flex and I know that's a hated term around draft time,
Speaker 1: but it's it's guys that are projected to be in
Speaker 1: a different position than they played in college. And you
Speaker 1: you mentioned the second level of guys. Outside of Green
Speaker 1: and Johnson, who of course played the guard position and
Speaker 1: did so effectively in college, the next four guys on
Speaker 1: my list are at Ingram, Tyler Smith, Jeremy Sawyer, and
Speaker 1: Daryan Kinnard. Those four, out of three of those four
Speaker 1: guys played tackle in college, and that's Kinnard, Smith, and Sawyer.
Speaker 1: So all three of those guys are making that projected
Speaker 1: jump into guard. They've maybe played it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it's tough to really tell just how good they're
Speaker 1: going to be and if they're ready to make that
Speaker 1: jump into the NFL and make the switch to guard
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, I you know there's
Speaker 1: and Kyle's absolutely right about that. You know. I'll also
Speaker 1: include a guy, Justin Schaeffer from george as another guy
Speaker 1: that I really really like. I know, it's almost like
Speaker 1: they won the national title or something. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know there's who dozen of these is a senior Bowl guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he started left he started left guard for Georgia and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that the names he has are
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Ryan from UCLA is another guy that's in there.
Speaker 1: So we got we get a lot of questions about him.
Speaker 1: Can you just take me through Sean Ryan really quickly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think with Sean Ryan. He started left tackle for
Speaker 1: UCLA and people project him to play guard. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, six to five, he's three twenty one.
Speaker 1: But you know he'll they'll line him up at both
Speaker 1: tackle spots because they play unbalanced lines sometimes. I mean
Speaker 1: him balanced this like if he's the left tackle, he'll
Speaker 1: line up on the right side. They'll just go heavy
Speaker 1: to one side of it. And but this is a
Speaker 1: massive guy that moves fairly well. I mean his basse
Speaker 1: I thought got a little narrow at times at run
Speaker 1: blocking and he just like uses masks to try and
Speaker 1: get movement more than he will technique. And I think
Speaker 1: there's some bullyiness to his game, you know, as a
Speaker 1: run blocker, and I think that's where you get kind
Speaker 1: of you kind of see like, Okay, I get what
Speaker 1: he is. He's a big guy. He's going a bully you.
Speaker 1: But you know he can he can make blocks in space.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times where you watch him get
Speaker 1: as a tackle. They run the screens, they do stuff
Speaker 1: where uh, he's a draw and it's like he has
Speaker 1: to wheel on a guy and then push and widen
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, he there's there. You know, there
Speaker 1: was there was times where I thought that were you know,
Speaker 1: he was a little bit high coming off the ball.
Speaker 1: But other than that, man again, that's a big man
Speaker 1: that moves fairly well. I think he always looks under control.
Speaker 1: As what I had as as my first note was
Speaker 1: he looks under control. And for a guy that's six
Speaker 1: foot four and twenty pounds, I mean that's pretty impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually comped into a bigger Connor Williams, a guy
Speaker 1: who played tackle in college, was really good in the run.
Speaker 1: Was a guy who they put on the run a lot,
Speaker 1: because in that spread offense at UCLA, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: he was doing traditional pass sets. It was mostly on
Speaker 1: the run trying to get to the second level, utilizing athleticism,
Speaker 1: which he certainly has, and he was super aggressive at
Speaker 1: doing so. I mean, he was just overly aggressive. Sometimes
Speaker 1: got a little headstrong, like you said, out of position,
Speaker 1: but that was mostly because he was just headhunting on
Speaker 1: the way to whoever he was trying to lock up
Speaker 1: on a block. But I think for a guy who's
Speaker 1: a later pick, it goes back to what Brian was saying,
Speaker 1: there is value outside of the first round at the
Speaker 1: offensive line spot, which bodes well for the Cowboys if
Speaker 1: they wanted to go a different direction. Six four three
Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, that's a big fellow right there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, right behind him, another guy I don't
Speaker 1: think we've given. We haven't given his due credit as Sawyer,
Speaker 1: the other Georgia guy. What can you tell me about him?
Speaker 1: About Sawyer? You know, he was the starting left tackle,
Speaker 1: So you know, here you have Sawyer and Schaefer playing
Speaker 1: on both on the left side for Georgia, and when
Speaker 1: you watched him run the football. That's the direction that
Speaker 1: they were going. And you know, I don't think that
Speaker 1: Sawyer is like when you start talking about body control
Speaker 1: and balance, but his athletic ability will surprise you. And
Speaker 1: the movement he has for three twenty one pounds is
Speaker 1: really really impressive. You watch the Michigan game and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's handling both their defensive ends and
Speaker 1: we're talking about those two Cats as being first round,
Speaker 1: one of them talking about maybe going first overall, and
Speaker 1: there was some there was It was very frustrating to
Speaker 1: those Michigan edge players to have to deal with Sawyer
Speaker 1: a here. I mean, this guy's got some stoutness to him.
Speaker 1: There was only one snap that I did see where
Speaker 1: Hutchinson used an arm over move on him, but other
Speaker 1: than that boom, everything else was was great. He gets
Speaker 1: movement in the running game because of his masks. He's
Speaker 1: going to overpower defenders when he comes off the ball,
Speaker 1: when he leans on you, you know he's gonna get
Speaker 1: movement that way. And I kind of felt like though that,
Speaker 1: you know, when he gets away from the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: this pass set and all that, everything was really really
Speaker 1: spot on for him. So again another one of those
Speaker 1: guys that doesn't get overextended, doesn't get out of balance.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the body control, like I say, a little little
Speaker 1: ify there, but not always. But watched that Michigan game
Speaker 1: and you'll be impressed by the way he's playing. That
Speaker 1: was by far my favorite tape that I watched. And
Speaker 1: then it was also interesting because in that National Championship
Speaker 1: game he took snaps at guard and tackle. He remember
Speaker 1: game two, yeah, back and forth, and was a part
Speaker 1: of that that kind of mixture of guys up front
Speaker 1: for Georgia. One thing I noted against uh Sawyer and
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I knocked his draft stock
Speaker 1: a little bit. It looked like outside of the Michigan game,
Speaker 1: he struggled a little bit against athletic edges, like the
Speaker 1: stronger edges that are a little bit slower off the snap.
Speaker 1: He handled pretty much all the way through the SEC
Speaker 1: play but against Kentucky in Arkansas and Alabama a couple
Speaker 1: times when it was the quicker guys off the edge,
Speaker 1: he struggled. Did you see any of that as well?
Speaker 1: You know, it was funny because the games that I
Speaker 1: was watching and were with the playoff game and then
Speaker 1: the National Championship game, and because I was real interested
Speaker 1: because of like you were talking about, you know, with
Speaker 1: those defensive ends at Michigan, do both of those guys
Speaker 1: are pretty quick, you know, both of get all at
Speaker 1: all And that's the one that kind of provided me
Speaker 1: pass because I'm looking at him handling Aidan Hutchinson David
Speaker 1: a Jabo and then you go to Kentucky and Lewis
Speaker 1: Pascal or Dash Pascal getting after him all the way through.
Speaker 1: So it was it was an interesting back and forth.
Speaker 1: That was what of Pascal's best games too. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you want to watch a defensive endplay and you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to get an idea, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like though to me that that you know,
Speaker 1: at that size and that weight, and I saw a
Speaker 1: guy getting away from the line pretty well be so
Speaker 1: that that kind of just you know, I didn't see
Speaker 1: what you were talking about. But you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: things you miss is you're watching these guys. So you
Speaker 1: guys are both way north of one hundred players scouted.
Speaker 1: You're looking at your board and you just said you
Speaker 1: don't have any ones, So how many twos do you have? Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. No, I if you look at
Speaker 1: my if you look at my twos and it's Green, Johnson, Ingram,
Speaker 1: and Kennard are the guys that I would say that
Speaker 1: would be my twos. And then the guys we just
Speaker 1: talked about, Sawyer Schaeffer, I like Mumford from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I'm starting now in the third and Ryan in the third.
Speaker 1: So I've got if you really look at I've got
Speaker 1: eight guys in the first three rounds. Well, yeah, eight
Speaker 1: guys in the first three rounds, and then another three
Speaker 1: guys in the fourth. So I've got plenty of guards
Speaker 1: when it comes down to this right there with you.
Speaker 1: Four guys in the second Green, Johnson, Knard, Ingram, Johnson
Speaker 1: and Green are one two cheater grades for me. That
Speaker 1: that kind of one two punch that we've talked about previously.
Speaker 1: I have eight guys in the first three rounds, but
Speaker 1: they're just different guys throughout. Sawyer's in there, Ingram's in there,
Speaker 1: and then I've got Tyler Smith, but I know he
Speaker 1: could probably be a tackle guard back and forth. Lex
Speaker 1: Dylan Parham from Memphis is in that conversation as an
Speaker 1: interior guy and then I've got Kade May's, and Andrew's
Speaker 1: Andrew Stabort from Michigan. I'm trying to remember how to
Speaker 1: say his name, but stupor in the that borderline third
Speaker 1: round guys uh that are on the outside looking like
Speaker 1: this moment, there's a Lexus I think I said right,
Speaker 1: Lexus Smith from Virginia Tech is another guy you can see. Okay,
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy. Okay, remember him le Setus. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: one days. I'm gonna get these guys names, right, I'll
Speaker 1: probably never but yeah, give him give hiving trouble with
Speaker 1: this draft too. Yeah, there's some some strange ones too,
Speaker 1: and there's cold strange yep. Ah see what I'm doing there,
Speaker 1: which uh Chattanooga right, Yeah, Senior Bowl guy. No disrespect
Speaker 1: to him whatsoever. I We've gotten a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about him as well. But I just I get stuck
Speaker 1: in that mode where I'm like, if you played at
Speaker 1: an FCS school, I just gotta I gotta see you
Speaker 1: get drafted here to believe it will happen. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I had him in the I had him
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, and I I just kind of
Speaker 1: said like about him, was kind of an throw back
Speaker 1: or old school player. He doesn't wear any gloves or
Speaker 1: hand protection on his head. Those are the nastiest guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I mean it's I said, that's something you
Speaker 1: don't see very often. But you know, he didn't appear
Speaker 1: to give up on blocks, and he stayed on his
Speaker 1: feed and I mean, good foot athlete on tape. I
Speaker 1: didn't see him on the ground all that much. But
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I thought finishing was pretty good.
Speaker 1: I thought he could climb his guy pretty good. Movement
Speaker 1: skills are good, but he's just not very clean on
Speaker 1: some of the athletic pools and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit about watching Jerkins, the center
Speaker 1: from Nebraska. Everybody says, oh, this guy tested really really well,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but he watched the tape against Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He's getting rocked a little bit. He looks out of balance,
Speaker 1: he looks you know, he's playing on one leg. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, if you want to tell
Speaker 1: me he's a great athlete, fine, well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Nebraska players, if you want to go through the history,
Speaker 1: that have always tested very well and haven't played very well.
Speaker 1: You know, so that's kind of where But if you
Speaker 1: watch the tape of him the Oklahoma game is pretty
Speaker 1: eye opening. It that's something you want to do. So
Speaker 1: you just said eight guys, and so I feel better
Speaker 1: about this than I did at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: But I think it's still fair to say. I would
Speaker 1: imagine I feel better about your options on day two
Speaker 1: at receiver than I would have guard. You know. And
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, though, and you've got to
Speaker 1: remember this, that they had a second round grade on
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern. Yeah, grade if one to one. That scares
Speaker 1: the though I almost said a bad work. That scares
Speaker 1: the crap out of you, doesn't it. Yeah, Well, just
Speaker 1: knowing that plays to how scared you actually are of this. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've talked a lot about it, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so, I mean they had a very high grade
Speaker 1: on him, and I think entering a contract year, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would have to say it hasn't worked out all that.
Speaker 1: There seems to be some thought that they might let
Speaker 1: him compete against the center and see if if in
Speaker 1: fact that he could be a center. You know, that's
Speaker 1: that instead of playing some guard. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we you know. On my radio show yesterday, we had
Speaker 1: the discussion about would you move Would you move if
Speaker 1: you knew that Connor mcgovernn was a good right guard?
Speaker 1: Would you move Zack? Yeah? We talked about that until
Speaker 1: last week. Okay, move Zack to left guard? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean the same thing. I mean, it's kind
Speaker 1: of kind of crazy to think, but if you, you know,
Speaker 1: would you always think about get your best five on
Speaker 1: the field? Yeah, you know, yeah we did. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just so torn by that idea, because, hey, Zach, you're
Speaker 1: the best in the league. Get your job. You you're
Speaker 1: the problem. You have to like flip it the old
Speaker 1: the office space quote, why should I change? He's the
Speaker 1: one that sucks? Yeah, you know, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your best five on the field. I
Speaker 1: wasn't here for this conversation. Did you say you would
Speaker 1: do that, Brian, or you know what? I would? I
Speaker 1: think I would, you know, at least entertain it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to ask, but I'm not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, why move a Hall of Fame guard?
Speaker 1: I mean, but if it meant that maybe that you
Speaker 1: could fix your position, I think you'd have to consider it.
Speaker 1: I want to if I could ask you guys a question. Sure,
Speaker 1: And we talked to me. I remember, like say the
Speaker 1: thirty visit things. I'm still trying to get my arms
Speaker 1: around the Charles Cross thing. Okay, why he's on their list? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I asked guys around the league, and nobody was
Speaker 1: saying anything negative about Charles Cross, Like am I missing
Speaker 1: Charles Cross? Like beats up puppies or something like that,
Speaker 1: or you know what I'm saying. I mean, is there
Speaker 1: something that is there's something keeping Charles Cross from I
Speaker 1: mean because every mock draft, every every one of my
Speaker 1: I'm scene, he doesn't go lower than the top ten.
Speaker 1: And then yesterday we did an exercise again on my
Speaker 1: radio show where myself and Gavin Dawson we're trying to
Speaker 1: trade up to spots and we were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out would it be worth your first and your second
Speaker 1: to go get a guy like Charles Cross, you know,
Speaker 1: And then we got to like around like the thirteenth
Speaker 1: and fourteenth pick, and then we stopped having interest in
Speaker 1: what because we felt like that there were only maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of guys there, but Charles Cross would be
Speaker 1: seemed like the only guy that you would trade up for.
Speaker 1: Am I right about that? Say the third visit guys? Okay,
Speaker 1: if the guys on the list, um, how big of
Speaker 1: a trade. That's what I'm saying. If you had to
Speaker 1: go to the commanders, it's gonna cost you your first
Speaker 1: in your second. Yeah, if you're going, you know, it
Speaker 1: gets a little a little better if you get down
Speaker 1: to like if you know, if you think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be there at thirteen fourteen, you know that that's about
Speaker 1: where you probably are gonna have to stop because everybody,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a team at thirteen. It's gonna use
Speaker 1: you can use an offensive tack? What Houston? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: do you have to jump ahead at Houston to make
Speaker 1: sure you have a chance at Charles Cross? Because there's
Speaker 1: there's three names on the list that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: that you may have to go up to get and
Speaker 1: that I completely don't think there's even a chance they
Speaker 1: slide the twenty four Cross Lloyd and I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say Lloyd. I wouldn't put him in that maybe borderline
Speaker 1: but a Lobby and London maybe I was thinking London
Speaker 1: and Jordan Davis d those are the three that like
Speaker 1: if I circled it and said, I'm I'm saying these
Speaker 1: guys are top fifteen picks, it would be Davis, it
Speaker 1: would be h Drake London, and then it'd be Charles Cross.
Speaker 1: Cross maybe the top name out of those three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he also plays the most valuable position probably, so
Speaker 1: there's even more so of a chance that he doesn't
Speaker 1: fall outside of the top eight. If you told me
Speaker 1: that I drafted Charles Cross, I'd ask Zack Martin to
Speaker 1: move to left guard. That's what I'm trying to get at. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're putting Cross at right tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, And I'm sorry, Uh, I'm sorry, Terrence.
Speaker 1: Still you become my swing tackle in week five when
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith gets rolled up on Yeah, misses three games
Speaker 1: with the high ankle spring. Actually and well, in that case, yeah, say,
Speaker 1: in that case, Charles Cross becomes my left tackle. Yeah, exactly, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. If If I were to drafted Charles Cross,
Speaker 1: I would I would ask Zach Martin had been make
Speaker 1: the move? Okay, because what I'm what I'm learning is
Speaker 1: about talking to my pro scout guys around the league,
Speaker 1: the guys that are available the guys that are available
Speaker 1: on the street. Every one of these guys has issues.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every one of these guys is talking about
Speaker 1: the Trey Turner. If you look at See Traders, everybody
Speaker 1: look at the list of guys that are still available,
Speaker 1: it's it's hardly inspiring. It makes I mean the one
Speaker 1: there was one guy. There was one guy that my
Speaker 1: my pro scouting buddies gave me as a name to
Speaker 1: maybe if to keep an eye on and if I
Speaker 1: could pull it up real quick. It was a kid
Speaker 1: name Trenton Scott from Carolina. He's evidently on the street
Speaker 1: and he said, my guy say, he's a swing tackle
Speaker 1: that played some guard. Watched the first Carolina game versus Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He just mauled the Falcons. From what I was told,
Speaker 1: big physical, pretty versatile. But everybody else did. I asked
Speaker 1: about the trade Turners and the other guys, everybody of
Speaker 1: them was like, they're all broken down, they're starting to decline.
Speaker 1: You know. That's the biggest fear of Stephen Jones is
Speaker 1: to buy one of these guys. Then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it turns into a Gerald McCoy or somebody like that,
Speaker 1: which when you look at it again, I don't somebody
Speaker 1: else went off the board yesterday. I don't remember who
Speaker 1: it was, but a veteran offensive line Oh it was GERMAINEA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Na Fetti signed yesterday. And you look at the list
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I think it would have been
Speaker 1: smart for the Cowboys to do something earlier, but at
Speaker 1: this point you're probably better off waiting and seeing what
Speaker 1: you get in the draft. See that's where I was
Speaker 1: kind of feeling like, and there's a you know, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of rumors going around about the little the
Speaker 1: wide receiver from Houston right that the Cowboys. I'm going
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks, you know, can you flip something
Speaker 1: to go get Brandon Cooks? And does that keep you
Speaker 1: from drafting somebody at twenty four? You know, that's the
Speaker 1: thought right there, because if they make a Brandon Cooks trade,
Speaker 1: then my gut, my gut feeling is that they're going
Speaker 1: to go another direction with this thing, that you'll probably
Speaker 1: be one of these offensive linements. Without getting too far
Speaker 1: specifically into the weeds on a guy like Cooks, but
Speaker 1: if you were going to make a trade like that,
Speaker 1: what would the price be? You're probably gonna. I mean,
Speaker 1: you'd be like a third or fourth. I think you
Speaker 1: have to. I think I would you get with all
Speaker 1: those fives, you know, try and get it in one
Speaker 1: of those. I mean you try to look at what
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker costs the Patriots and then you hear that
Speaker 1: the cowboy always called about it and it didn't get done.
Speaker 1: So you assume you start there and go start lower
Speaker 1: than a third. Probably. Yeah, I'm looking at Cooks's contract.
Speaker 1: So Cooks is under contract for what to uh, one
Speaker 1: to one more season? Yeah? One more season? Oh no,
Speaker 1: He's got void years on his deals, so I mean
Speaker 1: you can keep him around. So I'd probably be like
Speaker 1: a fifth or four. See, that's what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: you if you offer a four and then you say
Speaker 1: or you maybe even try one of those fives four
Speaker 1: and five may just a five. I mean I think
Speaker 1: maybe if you'd offer a couple of fives, you know
Speaker 1: you got four of them, yes, but but you know
Speaker 1: I was for his age and the amount of time
Speaker 1: he has left on his contract. I sure wouldn't offer
Speaker 1: a whole lot more. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we had Todd Archer on yesterday. And he was
Speaker 1: talking about that, and he goes last year, I would
Speaker 1: have never believed the Cowboys make eleven picks. But when
Speaker 1: you look at Steven Jones and you look what he
Speaker 1: talks about with the cap, you know, they need all
Speaker 1: these guys to play. They need Quintin Bohannon to play,
Speaker 1: they need Gholston to play. They need all these guys
Speaker 1: to play. You know, that's that's what they that they
Speaker 1: They would rather draft you every one of those picks
Speaker 1: to try and and and you know, keep their salary
Speaker 1: cap stuff in line real quick before we go to break.
Speaker 1: Do you think something like that is coming down the
Speaker 1: pipe before draft day? What the receiver? And really, yeah,
Speaker 1: anything that would I was hopeful that they would identify
Speaker 1: a young guard that's probably stuck in the back end
Speaker 1: of somebody's roster that they could they could take one
Speaker 1: of those fifths and movie probably be a player that
Speaker 1: we'd have to google. Yeah, and then the pro guys
Speaker 1: would all be like, no, man, that was a great pick.
Speaker 1: That was a great job by the Cowboys. I was
Speaker 1: hopeful they would do that so it would kind of
Speaker 1: protect them a little bit for what's going forward. I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to believe that they would go into
Speaker 1: April twenty eighth and not have anything else happen. Like
Speaker 1: I know that it sounds possible. They get it with Washington,
Speaker 1: they did it with Washington, they did it with Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esh. I think they've made some signings that they're
Speaker 1: not totally married too. Yeah. You know, if one of
Speaker 1: these fits of ends comes along and foulers not what
Speaker 1: he's not what he's supposed to be, boom, you just
Speaker 1: move on Vandresh, move on Washington, move on, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I mean Hooks, Cooks to me would be
Speaker 1: a guy that if you traded, he's going to make
Speaker 1: your team. And then now maybe that takes you into
Speaker 1: not having to worry about a wide receiver one, two,
Speaker 1: maybe even three. Yeah, it would. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they need to do something. Like I said, the guard
Speaker 1: market hardly looks inspiring, but it feels like there's work
Speaker 1: left to do. So I guess we'll see. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break. We ran a little bit long, but
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Speaker 1: the Twitter. Try to get to more of these than
Speaker 1: we did last time. I think we only try to answered.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Justin. I loved your question about trading up,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we kind of answered it there
Speaker 1: in the first seme. You want to go ahead and
Speaker 1: answer it just for cutting dry reasons, go ahead and
Speaker 1: knock it out. Well, I mean it would be Charles Cross, right,
Speaker 1: I think it would be for Charles Cross. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would either be Cross or Jordan Davis for me. Two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would give up twenty four and fifty six to
Speaker 1: get Jordan Davis. That was That's the question. That was
Speaker 1: the question. That's a little different. Yeah, probably just crossed
Speaker 1: which I did the math. Jordan Davis is great, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to give up fifty
Speaker 1: six those two picks would get you up to like
Speaker 1: the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Yeah, yeah, and less something.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if for some you know, if Cavon
Speaker 1: Thibodeau hates football, enough that he was still hanging out
Speaker 1: at fourteen meant you could maybe convince me that was worthwhile.
Speaker 1: But I think Charles. I think Charles crosses Cavon Tibbott
Speaker 1: and to Marcus Lawrence on opposite sides of the defensive
Speaker 1: line together, I can think of worse things. Guy Stingley
Speaker 1: had a nice workout yesterday, Yes I did, didn't he
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about him in the first segment.
Speaker 1: I was like, do we need to like? He ran
Speaker 1: his way out of the conversation with He knew he
Speaker 1: was going to run his way. The question the questions
Speaker 1: was the health and the questions words. He really love football.
Speaker 1: And when we talk to our friends down there in
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, they tell us, listen, he just needs a
Speaker 1: big brother. Minnesota seems to be a really now that
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson's resigned in Minnesota. If Mit the Vikings were
Speaker 1: to draft Derek Stingley, I think that would be a
Speaker 1: great pick for them. Well, Draylon Diggs could be a
Speaker 1: big brother. Yep. No, that's what I'm saying, absolutely no, no,
Speaker 1: And those questions still remain. But when he can go
Speaker 1: and what he said yesterday, he's only worked out for
Speaker 1: three weeks since he got healthy and he ran a
Speaker 1: four three seven and had a thirty nine inch vertical,
Speaker 1: all of those questions like are still there, and he's
Speaker 1: still going to be a top fifteen pick. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine he would slip a whole hell of a lot.
Speaker 1: Further than that, have you watched Sauce Gardner play at all? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that he's the best player or not?
Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, Yeah, I mean yes, oh
Speaker 1: we have. Yeah. I mean I'm sorry, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's specifically, but I don't know if he's the
Speaker 1: best player in the draft, but he's comfortably he should
Speaker 1: be a top five pick. I think I said that
Speaker 1: last week, Like if he gets if the Giants don't
Speaker 1: take him with one of their picks, I just think
Speaker 1: that would be dumb, especially if they're really interested in
Speaker 1: moving on from James Bradberry. Do you have him as
Speaker 1: the top player in the draft? I was just no,
Speaker 1: I don't, But I was just curious that, Like, but
Speaker 1: to me, he's one of those guys because we've talked
Speaker 1: about Walker. I mean Walker, there's nobody in this draft
Speaker 1: process that's made more of a rise. Remember, when we
Speaker 1: first started, it was Walker was the pick at twenty
Speaker 1: four for Dallas. Then Walker became the pick for the
Speaker 1: Ravens at fourteen, and then Walker became the pick for
Speaker 1: the Lions at two. There's nobody that has risen up
Speaker 1: draft boards faster than this guy. Which, to go back
Speaker 1: to the Cross thing real quick, I just and I
Speaker 1: doubt it because you get your questions, and I know
Speaker 1: we do, but I doubt it because of the position
Speaker 1: that he plays. But the thing with Walker too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we keep talking about how much variance there is in
Speaker 1: this draft, and just maybe there's just no consensus on
Speaker 1: these There's no consensus, and so maybe, like maybe it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocking if somebody like Charles Cross falls to
Speaker 1: like seventeen. I don't know, Well, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of guys and gals in rooms where you can't
Speaker 1: drive a nail up their rear. It's gonna be that Seriously,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that kind of draft, at least for
Speaker 1: the first I think for the first round. Probably for
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, yeah, or I guess thirty teams because
Speaker 1: because you've got it, you've got to you've got to
Speaker 1: identify some hurt players. You've got to identify players with
Speaker 1: some maybe some questions about off the field stuff. There's
Speaker 1: players that you know maybe don't fit the profiles because
Speaker 1: of height, weight, speed. It's gonna be this. This draft
Speaker 1: has a real potential when we look back of maybe
Speaker 1: being really busty. M Yeah, well when it's not sexy
Speaker 1: at the top, I think that has it's possible, all right,
Speaker 1: rapid fire, brevity. Brevity is the soul of wit guys.
Speaker 1: Let's try to get to some of these. Chris is
Speaker 1: worried about the depth of the tight end position in
Speaker 1: the sense that once the top two or three go,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot left. You feel that way. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you might have to draft a tight
Speaker 1: end like around early in this class. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple tight ends there that
Speaker 1: are decent. But it kind of goes back to what
Speaker 1: Brian's talking about. They were either hurt or they're one
Speaker 1: trick ponies, and that's the thing. They do something really well.
Speaker 1: But that's really about it. Because you've got Trade McBride,
Speaker 1: who's the most complete guy probably at the top of
Speaker 1: my list. Then you've got the Greg Dolchich from UCLA,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Ruckert who's a thirty busy guy from Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Kay Doton, who I know Brian's been very good or
Speaker 1: very high on with out of Washington, and then Isaiah
Speaker 1: likely the gilani Woods for Virginia are kind of those
Speaker 1: second tier guys for me, but they do some things
Speaker 1: very very well. And then you've just got a bunch
Speaker 1: of receivers too along the way that you can maybe
Speaker 1: go at. So it depends on what you want for
Speaker 1: tight end if you're looking for a blocking guy or
Speaker 1: all around guy. I can see the concern, but I
Speaker 1: think there's a guy that can do what you need
Speaker 1: them to do and you can get them in the
Speaker 1: later rounds as well. I think this is a really
Speaker 1: rare tight end draft in the way of guys that
Speaker 1: are like six seven, you know, when you start to
Speaker 1: talk about guys like with you know, with Cole Turner
Speaker 1: was a guy at Nevada I'd watched. I really really
Speaker 1: liked him a lot Cooler from Iowa State, they're a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are guys on this draft that are very much
Speaker 1: that hard to cover because they're so long. When all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you got safeties and linebackers, corners trying
Speaker 1: to cover these tight ends. When you watch them and
Speaker 1: there's sixty seven and they extend, you're slapping their wrists,
Speaker 1: you know, your forearms, You're you're not getting to the ball.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes a lot of these guys interest.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's actually a pretty good list.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's any glass eaters as blockers here,
Speaker 1: but I will say that there's guys that they do
Speaker 1: catch the ball very well. So if the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: spend the top one hundred pick on a tight end,
Speaker 1: Saturday comes around, you feel pretty good. That's still yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's still people. I mean, I know we
Speaker 1: all love Bucky Brooks and stuff like that. He still
Speaker 1: has Widemeyer in his top five. I'm not taking Widemeyer
Speaker 1: out of my mix either. I mean, I've always seemed
Speaker 1: to like him. Yeah, I've watched here. I've watched too
Speaker 1: many games of him playing against LSU and Alabamas and
Speaker 1: the Old Misses and the Auburns. You know that you
Speaker 1: figure it out? Do you not like football? Do you
Speaker 1: not like working out? If you get if you you know,
Speaker 1: are you're gonna be this way because he's too talented
Speaker 1: of a guy. He really really is. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate trusting the tape. Have you watched chigoes
Speaker 1: him okonquo from Maryland. I have not gotten a few
Speaker 1: questions about him over the He's a little bit smaller
Speaker 1: than some of these other guys Brian's talking about. He's
Speaker 1: six foot two and a half two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: ran a four to five forty. He had a thirty
Speaker 1: two and a half inch vert or actually thirty five
Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical. I think he could be
Speaker 1: one of those kind of hybrid h back sort of
Speaker 1: guys that fits a role in a modern NFL offense
Speaker 1: that you can put him in the slot if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to. He's a decent blocker, not super vital
Speaker 1: or versatile in his pass catching ability, but he gets
Speaker 1: separation and he gets open as a tied end. I
Speaker 1: like him in the later Day three conversation as a
Speaker 1: deput piece in this draft. I'll tell you what's a
Speaker 1: good scounding reporting the guy. I personally don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to extend Schultz. I don't either. I think this
Speaker 1: was the one year to just to kind of flow over,
Speaker 1: hold it over and give they need a year to
Speaker 1: get this guy up to speed. Yeah, well they need
Speaker 1: a year to kind of help Dak too, because you
Speaker 1: blot out to Maury Cooper, now you got banged up
Speaker 1: receivers and stuff like that. This person's name is UC Analytics,
Speaker 1: so you'll be shocked to hear that he wants to
Speaker 1: know about Drake Jackson the Southern cow Edge. Yeah, Drake Jackson,
Speaker 1: just how you view him as a player, Yeah, Jake,
Speaker 1: he's making a lot of visits when you start to
Speaker 1: I think that they were tweeting out that he had
Speaker 1: twelve visits set up up and an interesting guy. Sixty three,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four pound. He plays really is
Speaker 1: a stand up outside linebacker defensive end. And I thought
Speaker 1: he was kind of a slippery guy. When I mean
Speaker 1: slippery that ability to like when you can rush inside outside,
Speaker 1: but I mean his ability to redirect I think is outstanding.
Speaker 1: There are plays where he appears to be out of
Speaker 1: position and then boom, he's right back in that. So
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of those guys I thought too
Speaker 1: that could kind of capture the edge with the first
Speaker 1: couple of steps with the quickness, lower the shoulder, work
Speaker 1: past the tackle. He fights pressure on blocks. He's got
Speaker 1: some relentless traits to his game. And but I also
Speaker 1: feel like there's times where though he'll struggle to disengage
Speaker 1: and where guys can kind of get on him and
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's fighting at Again. I say, he fights pressure,
Speaker 1: but he just when you really need him to get
Speaker 1: off the thing. You think that's a size thing. I don't.
Speaker 1: I was asking. I was going to ask the same
Speaker 1: thing as its strength. Yeah, I think it's more about
Speaker 1: his drink. Yeah, but you know, I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: got the length to be really better at this, But
Speaker 1: there's times, like I say that he just does it.
Speaker 1: But his movement skills are really really impressed. He's crazy athletic,
Speaker 1: I mean ultra athletic. He didn't run anything at the combine,
Speaker 1: which is a little unfortunate. His jumps were good. Um, However,
Speaker 1: I'm with Brian. The strength just doesn't look even existent.
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he just does not have
Speaker 1: that extra whenever he gets to the point of attack.
Speaker 1: And that scares me a little bit for a guy
Speaker 1: who's going to be projected as that three four outside
Speaker 1: linebacker off the edge, sort of guy. Twelve teams. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys are looking at him. Where do y'all
Speaker 1: have him? Third? I have him in the third, late third. Yeah, buddy,
Speaker 1: a friend of the show, our buddy Yuma Cactus nice.
Speaker 1: And you start to feel comfortable with JAFF drafting Justin Ross,
Speaker 1: the Clemson receiver with the neck injury. Yeah, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't got any report from anybody that name since
Speaker 1: like February early February. There's so many receivers in this class.
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget about him. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I watched. I watched the pit cornerback last night against Clemson.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get to him, and then and
Speaker 1: then Ross was he was part of that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to me with Ross, I mean I I
Speaker 1: was super impressed with him and and I think the
Speaker 1: reason I was impressed with him is that he could
Speaker 1: play in the slot, he could play outside. The coach
Speaker 1: is trying to get him the ball quickly and let
Speaker 1: him go because I think he can make things happen
Speaker 1: and he's gonna find ways to make plays. And I
Speaker 1: think there was for a guy that's kind of thinly
Speaker 1: built at six four two h five, he's got that ability,
Speaker 1: but you don't see him getting knocked off his feet
Speaker 1: very much carrying the football. So I mean I saw
Speaker 1: him get his feet down in some tight spots he
Speaker 1: could go hide to. You know, there was a if
Speaker 1: you watch the Syracuse game, there was one, and I
Speaker 1: mean it was amazing how high he got off the
Speaker 1: ground to make this play. So I thought he caught
Speaker 1: the ball really easily, and the concentration all that. And
Speaker 1: again the twenty twenty season with the neck injury, that's
Speaker 1: the thing you're gonna have to look at. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to say, well, are we are we comfortable taking
Speaker 1: a guy that potentially something could happen again, or are
Speaker 1: we going to ride this thing out and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Does it hurt his stock? In the fact that he
Speaker 1: ran a four to six four at his pro day
Speaker 1: and had a thirty one and a half inch would
Speaker 1: which would have been the next lowest in the combine numbers,
Speaker 1: I just, you know, it's funny that's banged up. I
Speaker 1: get it, but yeah, I just the thing about him is, man,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like though I'm not asking him
Speaker 1: to be a first or second round player, but I mean,
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about those third, fourth round guys,
Speaker 1: there's just too much. Like I said, I didn't you
Speaker 1: can see it on film. I said, he doesn't show
Speaker 1: great time speed, but there's some initial quickness off the snap.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's kind of where I think
Speaker 1: this guy is as a player that that you can
Speaker 1: you you know, he's gonna get with somebody that's probably
Speaker 1: a pretty good team. They're going to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, you could throw the ball, he's reliable, he
Speaker 1: could catch them on third down. Great hands, great hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's places for guys like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing the guy like a Keenan Allen, But
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen didn't run great coming out of cal but
Speaker 1: he catch He catches every damn ball. You know that? Yeah, exactly?
Speaker 1: Which is that? I mean? Fourth round, Like this is
Speaker 1: one of those situations where you're just like, at what point,
Speaker 1: Like if he's still on the board, You're just like,
Speaker 1: we're taking this guy is still here. The speed and
Speaker 1: the medical is probably gonna put him in the fourth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but somebody would. We we're gonna be working on
Speaker 1: the draft and someone's gonna take him, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: say all the positive things that we just said. As
Speaker 1: a player, he's a top one hundred guy with the
Speaker 1: with the measurables and the medicals. I can't take him
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred comfortably. But yeah, if he's
Speaker 1: sitting there in the fourth round and you're you're coming
Speaker 1: to one twenty nine or whatever the pick is, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be against that, especially if you hadn't drafted a
Speaker 1: receiver to that point in the early rounds. We don't
Speaker 1: want a list of names. We know who they all are.
Speaker 1: Nicholas wants to know, specifically, if Tyler Linderbaum were to
Speaker 1: happen to be their first round pick, who are you
Speaker 1: specifically targeting on Day two at guard and receiver? The
Speaker 1: guys you would want not options, Well, you're probably gonna lose,
Speaker 1: you could probably We talked about every one of those guards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we went through every you're not going to
Speaker 1: have in day two. You're probably not going to have
Speaker 1: Green or Johnson to deal with unless you trade it up,
Speaker 1: unless you trade which so, but knowing that, who like
Speaker 1: if you're in the we said every every guy there
Speaker 1: the you know me, I know, but who would you
Speaker 1: be Like if you're in the room on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this is who I'm this is who
Speaker 1: I'm saying, kind of like they did with Calvin Joseph
Speaker 1: last year. I would probably take Ingramercarnard. Okay, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I was saying, was Canard. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: would take Ingramcarnard. That's the name. Those are the names
Speaker 1: you would circle. Yeah, I would try and go trade up.
Speaker 1: Let's say Shallier, I mean is another guy, Shaffer's another
Speaker 1: guy mentioned. I mean those are all like those are
Speaker 1: third round guys. But if I'm talking about like Ingraham
Speaker 1: can those are second round guys on my board. If
Speaker 1: you took linder Bomb first, it's say it solves your
Speaker 1: center position, your guard spots still a glaring need at
Speaker 1: that point I would want if you wanted to stay put,
Speaker 1: I would say Canard probably in that spot, he's perfect there.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to look at as Zion Johnson, let's
Speaker 1: say he falls to thirty five forty in that range,
Speaker 1: maybe package a fourth round pick, go try and get
Speaker 1: up there. I don't know if it would take that
Speaker 1: or it take a little bit more, I would maybe
Speaker 1: go try and grab it and then your offensive line set,
Speaker 1: then you can go figure it out the rest of
Speaker 1: the way and go play. You're blocking for Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: you're blocking for Ezekiel Elliott, take it and run with it.
Speaker 1: Go with get Lynn brom and go get Zion Johnson.
Speaker 1: But it would take one of those guys to fall.
Speaker 1: If not, I wait for fifty six and pick up
Speaker 1: a canard. Part of me wonders if they were to
Speaker 1: draft linder Bomb, if they just say, he'll help whoever
Speaker 1: plays left guard and we can deal with that later. Sure,
Speaker 1: mate said, here's here, kind of McGovern or, Go sign
Speaker 1: a guy and be interested. Sitting on the street, Yeah,
Speaker 1: would be interested to see really what happens in that
Speaker 1: second round. If it's a defensive player, yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would keep I'd keep that Sam Williams in mind,
Speaker 1: I think he's I just there's and it's a hunch.
Speaker 1: It's just a hunch, but we we always say that
Speaker 1: it's always a hunch. But yeah, it's at least an
Speaker 1: educated hunch. It's yeah, I mean I could see, I
Speaker 1: could see I could see Dan Quinn saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand the guard or offensive player or whatever you have
Speaker 1: to do in the first I could also see that,
Speaker 1: you know, i'd also see Mike McCarthy. We had this discussion, yes,
Speaker 1: Dar and radio. If Mike McCarthy takes over the play
Speaker 1: calling saying the year, during the year, something happens and
Speaker 1: he ends up, it's maybe this team is going to
Speaker 1: have to win games because of defense. And I could
Speaker 1: also see Mike McCarthy saying, Dan, who do you got
Speaker 1: in mind? Who do you got in mind over there
Speaker 1: that we can help us, you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: might be about, you know, if you look at efficiency numbers,
Speaker 1: if you're nerdy like that, ninth best defense, first best defense,
Speaker 1: it might turn into Mike McCarthy saying, listen, I've got
Speaker 1: to find a way to win on defense. But also
Speaker 1: I've got to kind of rein in and figure out
Speaker 1: what I have to do with my quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: that might be something that you know, I mean, we
Speaker 1: talked about help Dak, but you know, it might turn
Speaker 1: into Mike saying, listen, for if I could get good defense,
Speaker 1: I can do what I have to do running the
Speaker 1: football and things like that. Very quickly before we go
Speaker 1: to break. Ugly base guy just wants to know what
Speaker 1: your grade is on Daniel Filele, the massive Minnesota tackle.
Speaker 1: I've got him the third round myself. He's my first
Speaker 1: guy in the for the matter of fact, I've got
Speaker 1: him as I look at this right now, pinning in
Speaker 1: Raymond in the second and then he would be the
Speaker 1: top guy in the third round with Lucas from Washington State,
Speaker 1: petite Free from Ohio State, and then Tyler Smith would
Speaker 1: be my guys in that third round. I would put
Speaker 1: him in the second round, late second though not anywhere
Speaker 1: close to fifty six. But I like his demeanor, I
Speaker 1: like his frame. I think he relies on his size
Speaker 1: a little bit too much because he kind of gets
Speaker 1: clunky with it. We've talked about that a little bit
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. But he's got good balance along the way too,
Speaker 1: So if he's set and he's not moving a ton,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. But that's about second round,
Speaker 1: late second round worthy for me. Even more quickly, I
Speaker 1: meant to bring up Abraham Lucas from Washington State in
Speaker 1: that conversation in the first segment. Yeah, he's a right
Speaker 1: tackle for Washington State. And I think this is one
Speaker 1: of these guys you need to kind of know six
Speaker 1: six three fifteen. He tends to catch blocks and kind
Speaker 1: of control his guy with his upper body streak, but
Speaker 1: his footwork is really, really, really good. He can, you know,
Speaker 1: he can be driven back a little bit, but not
Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, oh gosh, he's getting
Speaker 1: knocked back every damn time. But there's a really good
Speaker 1: physical side to his run blocking, the way he gets
Speaker 1: movement one on one. I would say he's a really
Speaker 1: effective dry blocker, and there's some finish to his game.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like there was, you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: the best puller and stuff like that. And you're talking
Speaker 1: about the clunkiness a little bit with maybe with some
Speaker 1: other guys. But man, I'll tell you what you watch.
Speaker 1: You watched him against USC and Jackson jacksonton sniff not
Speaker 1: didn't even sniff. So if you like Jackson, don't watch
Speaker 1: him against Abraham Lucas because he's gonna he's gonna make
Speaker 1: you make you not want to like him. I watched
Speaker 1: that USC game, and then I watched him against Thibadeau
Speaker 1: and against Oregon too, because he I mean back twelve
Speaker 1: as some edge rushers, and he stood up very well. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he's experienced crazy experience because they throw the ball
Speaker 1: a lot, so he had over twenty one hundred pass
Speaker 1: snaps during his time at Washington. That's a lot of
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Speaker 1: maybe get a great value for. I'm feeling a lot
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Speaker 1: DJ's top fifty. Daniel Jeremiah. Sure, he's got Charles Cross
Speaker 1: at twenty three. See that's my point, which and that's
Speaker 1: not to say you're wrong or not Like Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: could be wrong. I'm not like he also has Tyler
Speaker 1: Linderbaum at thirty two. I mean, dude, these these rankings
Speaker 1: are all over the place, and I just think I
Speaker 1: think we'd need to be prepared to be surprised by
Speaker 1: the order that some of these names go. Maybe they
Speaker 1: know something about Charles Cross, Like again, is it a
Speaker 1: medical thing? I don't. I don't think it's a medical thing.
Speaker 1: He kicks puppies, Like you said, Yeah, maybe something's going
Speaker 1: on there, but I don't think he does. That was
Speaker 1: a joke, I know, while I was talking to the audience,
Speaker 1: das if Dallas has a chance to draft him, man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, go for it. I would feel
Speaker 1: great about that way too. And again, young athletic tackle
Speaker 1: figure a guard out. That's I mean, that's fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: this segment is designed to not talk about first round
Speaker 1: draft picks. We're trying to inform you on the later
Speaker 1: round guys. So that's what we're gonna do. This is
Speaker 1: tell me more back by popular demand, and I this
Speaker 1: is this is a name among like day three kind
Speaker 1: of guys, guys that aren't big time prospects. I've seen
Speaker 1: this dude's name more than anyone, and that would be
Speaker 1: DeMarco Jackson, the linebacker out of Appalachian State. Please tell
Speaker 1: me more so. He first my eye at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl because he was It was at the end of
Speaker 1: the day and I can't remember which coaching staff is,
Speaker 1: either Jets or Lions. Can't remember which one. They wanted
Speaker 1: to do one on ones, which makes me think it
Speaker 1: was the Lions coaching staff. They wanted to do this
Speaker 1: one on one big showcase at the end of the
Speaker 1: practice to kind of put Mono Imano running back versus
Speaker 1: Lionel Jason Garrett thing. Yeah, the Oklahoma Droid complete compete
Speaker 1: and it was Damon or Damon Pierce that was the
Speaker 1: Florida running order running back who was just tearing up
Speaker 1: the field and mobile. And the first guy that raised
Speaker 1: his hand, what even selected you do? You know how
Speaker 1: they normally pull a guy out. He ran up there.
Speaker 1: Initially they didn't even say anything because I was on
Speaker 1: the front row, would have heard it went up there
Speaker 1: and it was DeMarco Jackson to take on Pierce, who
Speaker 1: would had just a great practice. The competition side of
Speaker 1: that was as entertaining as anything I saw all week long.
Speaker 1: He came up and he was the hammer, not the nail.
Speaker 1: Came in and just straight up flattened Pierce on first one,
Speaker 1: took him to the sideline, on the second one, pushed
Speaker 1: him out of bounds, and then the third one he
Speaker 1: stopped him behind the line of scrimmage. And in Oklahoma drill,
Speaker 1: that's hard to do. And that was the first time
Speaker 1: I really saw him compete, and I really enjoyed watching it.
Speaker 1: This guy's super aggressive, he's super tough, he's gonna fly around.
Speaker 1: He's an outstanding finisher, and I think I think Kyle's
Speaker 1: got him right. I think that what you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he closes on the ball really really well. He covers
Speaker 1: a lot of ground, you know when you when you
Speaker 1: look at him. There was some There was a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I think it was the Louisiana game I
Speaker 1: was watching and they went for it on fourth down
Speaker 1: and he made like both stop you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like it was met in the whole running
Speaker 1: back going nowhere. He's got a real nose for a football.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get fooled when it comes to make him plays.
Speaker 1: I love the way he attacks. I mean his quickness
Speaker 1: forced his ball carriers into panic mode. There's times when
Speaker 1: he's rushing in the quarterback you could see the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: thinking about getting rid of the ball, and he's on
Speaker 1: him so quick that he hasn't have time to do it.
Speaker 1: So this guy is a super, super impressive player with
Speaker 1: some athletic ability. Is the size that hurts his grade
Speaker 1: or six one? He's two thirty three, so not really
Speaker 1: nothing really naturally right there. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know why more people don't like this kid. That's I'm
Speaker 1: because he k y'all are talking about him. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so draft him at eighty eight. No, he's he's very
Speaker 1: well could I would be okay with that? Yeah, this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you talk about somebody that
Speaker 1: can actually run, cover, finish. This kid's you know, linebacker
Speaker 1: at that at that heightened weight, I think you're getting
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good player. I agree. I just I
Speaker 1: trust Appalachian State and they put out gritty football players.
Speaker 1: May just be the fact that he played in the
Speaker 1: Sun Belt, and the fact that he didn't go up
Speaker 1: against Applelachians, I didn't really play anybody. Usually some of
Speaker 1: these like lower competition level guys like a Jalen Tulbert
Speaker 1: from South Alabama, great type against Tennessee and against SEC
Speaker 1: teams along the way, Marco Jackson didn't really get a
Speaker 1: chance to do. This kid could have played in the ACC.
Speaker 1: I agree he could have played. You know, he could
Speaker 1: have played it. He could have played it. A duke
Speaker 1: or or somebody like that. Somebody like that very well
Speaker 1: could have Okay, moving over to the Big twelve, although
Speaker 1: I mean love that though I'm count me as a fan.
Speaker 1: Gonna go find his tape. Eric Eric Izukama wide receiver
Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech. You've probably seen his name linked
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Tell me more slot guy. Texas Tech
Speaker 1: extremely productive last couple of seasons. I mean, he really
Speaker 1: kind of burst onto the scene in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: the COVID shortened dear because he was really all they
Speaker 1: had in terms of a receiving threat. And I mean
Speaker 1: that's a Texas Tech team that really struggled for a
Speaker 1: little bit on offense. He was as crisp and clean
Speaker 1: as anybody on that entire roster, good catch radius, goes
Speaker 1: up and gets the fifty fifty balls, and for a
Speaker 1: guy in the slot, that's kind of rare because normally,
Speaker 1: if you're playing in the slot, or at least the
Speaker 1: early days of the slot, you're you're more of a
Speaker 1: separation guy. He gets that sometimes, but most of his
Speaker 1: big wins were when he was going into traffic and
Speaker 1: going up and making the grab and showing a little
Speaker 1: physicality as well. I'll tell you what, Man Tech has
Speaker 1: an offense where there guy's just wide ass open people
Speaker 1: bust coverages all the time. The Texas Oklahoma state games
Speaker 1: or a couple that I watched with this kid, and
Speaker 1: I think Kyle's got him right. He's got super strong hands,
Speaker 1: and you know there were times in the Oklahoma state
Speaker 1: game where he was double covered down on the goal
Speaker 1: line and just went up and like doz Bryant like
Speaker 1: snatched a ball off the top of this guy's helmet
Speaker 1: and then the guys were swiping at it and he
Speaker 1: just no, I'm not gonna let you have this one.
Speaker 1: But I mean, for I mean sixwenties two oh nine,
Speaker 1: he ran a ton of routes where he had space though.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you say, there's those crossing routes and
Speaker 1: things like that. But he's like a physical ball carrier too,
Speaker 1: like when the balls in his hands, like he's trying
Speaker 1: to run over people on the sidelines and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: When you got you know, and Kyle, You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: Like slot receivers have changed so much it's ironic. We're
Speaker 1: talking about tech where Welker went, but that ain't a
Speaker 1: slot receiver anymore. Now. This guy he's six To quote Brian,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do Brian speak, he's six o one seven,
Speaker 1: so he's he's a tall six one and two ten
Speaker 1: as well, So like this ain't a little guy arms. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got the wingspan, he's got that, that jumping ability.
Speaker 1: I mean he had a good vertical, good broad jump
Speaker 1: at the combine. Didn't run the forty I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find his forty yard dash. I don't
Speaker 1: have it in front of me. I want to see
Speaker 1: what it is. Uh, Dane Brugler, of course, shameless plug
Speaker 1: for the beast. It is out by the way. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that worth the your investment. Dane's got him
Speaker 1: listed at a four five four. Okay, good enough, that's
Speaker 1: what runs, you know, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, okay, So what's
Speaker 1: your what's your grade on this guy? Got him in
Speaker 1: the fourth myself? Yeah, I'm probably right around there. The
Speaker 1: forty makes me want to push him a little higher, honestly,
Speaker 1: but that's change it yet again. I thought it would
Speaker 1: be slower. Ye, Brian, you alluded to this when we
Speaker 1: were talking about Justin Ross. I would like to know
Speaker 1: more about Demari Mathis the cornerback out of pit Hail
Speaker 1: to pit, hail to pit, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll tell you what. I was surprised
Speaker 1: I didn't get on this guy earlier. I know there's
Speaker 1: some people that have him, had him a little bit higher,
Speaker 1: and I got the name a little bit late. He'll
Speaker 1: flip sides as a corner, and I thought at first
Speaker 1: he was just a boundary guy, which would play into
Speaker 1: the short side of the field, but he ended up
Speaker 1: playing on both ends, so that kind of took that
Speaker 1: out of place. He'll walk down in the slot sometimes too.
Speaker 1: He'll play square and press man and then the snap
Speaker 1: he'll turn and bail. And so you were like the
Speaker 1: receiver broke off the route a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: he was still gaining ground like he was trying to
Speaker 1: get somewhere in his zone. But when he did line
Speaker 1: up on a receiver and play man, he was able
Speaker 1: to stay with this guy. This guy runs really, really well.
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel like he struggles at all to run
Speaker 1: with receivers. He's super physical in the way he plays.
Speaker 1: He's always battling the receiver even after the play. He's
Speaker 1: one of those chippy guys. I thought he was a
Speaker 1: good tackler. I thought I thought he wasn't afraid to
Speaker 1: play off the block and get in on that tackle.
Speaker 1: He'll wrap up in space or he'll trip his guy up.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say there's much of a back pedal there
Speaker 1: for him because of the way that they're asked to
Speaker 1: play their technique. But the feet look quick enough. The
Speaker 1: time speed is excellent at four to four one, and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate how he competes. Would you put him
Speaker 1: in the slot at the next level. I think he
Speaker 1: could play there because I like how I like how
Speaker 1: physically is and when you play the slot, you have
Speaker 1: to be able to go two ways. You can't just
Speaker 1: you can't use the boundary, you can't use the sidelines.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to cover all over the
Speaker 1: field five eleven, one ninety six. With that speed the quickness,
Speaker 1: I think he could play inside and jam up people
Speaker 1: and run with him. He did so many things on
Speaker 1: the back end of that coverage. I mean he was
Speaker 1: playing that wide corner, he played in the slot a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then a lot of people even have
Speaker 1: him tab that's maybe moving the safety. They're playing a
Speaker 1: little bit of safety on the back end because he
Speaker 1: has the athleticism to go over the top and to
Speaker 1: be a center field five ninety six. Ye. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he could play anywhere pretty much from a secondary standpoint,
Speaker 1: provide you a couple of options there. I see you again,
Speaker 1: shouting out mister Brugler got him as a third round grade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. And it's funny. I get a really
Speaker 1: good group of corners. Bryant from Cincinnati, McCullum from sam Houston, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Maths is in there, and then uh and then Woolen
Speaker 1: from from San Antonio, the Freak. I feel like because
Speaker 1: of what they did last year with Nashan Wright and
Speaker 1: um Kelvin Joseph. Outside of like the big, big guys
Speaker 1: I have in five eleven's not on the table. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a wonderful point too, I have. I haven't paid
Speaker 1: a ton of attention to cornerback because it's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine it being a big, big pick for this team.
Speaker 1: Good point. But to your point, Yeah, five eleven with
Speaker 1: what thirty thirty and three quarters inch arms? Yeah maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not for this not for this team specifically.
Speaker 1: He'll be a starter within a couple of years. Though.
Speaker 1: Another name I've heard a lot about Nick Benito, the
Speaker 1: edge rusher at Oklahoma. Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. Wow, we're doing
Speaker 1: this without Jeff. It feels wrong. It feels wrong without
Speaker 1: that call yet, Any thoughts on him? Right? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he was a good edge rusher, very inconsistent
Speaker 1: throughout his time at Oklahoma, and I really looked at
Speaker 1: him while you were watching Federian mathis or Not Federian
Speaker 1: mathis Perry On Winfrey. Whenever you're watching that Oklahoma tape,
Speaker 1: you kind of look over to the side and you're like,
Speaker 1: who's this number eleven? That's that's making a play. But
Speaker 1: then you would watch him on the next one, he'd
Speaker 1: get completely washed out I mean, he was a versatile player.
Speaker 1: He has the traits six foot three, two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five pounds and maybe a little bit over that.
Speaker 1: I think he's quick enough, he's got a little bit
Speaker 1: of bind to him, but strength wise, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's necessarily there yet, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why he kind of gets negated on a couple
Speaker 1: of times off the ball. I have him as an
Speaker 1: early third round grade, but nothing really more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have him on the back end of the third
Speaker 1: and there's like the guys who mentioned Pascal from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I had better. I've got to figure out what's going
Speaker 1: on with these Penn State end and our South Carolina
Speaker 1: end and all that. I mean, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: kind of a muddy position for me right now. But
Speaker 1: I will say this. People tweet at me all the time.
Speaker 1: They're mock drafts. They have this guy in the second round.
Speaker 1: Every single top that's pff because it's we I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got like seven guys ahead of him. He seems
Speaker 1: very well liked by certain parts of the draft community. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean everybody wants to put him at that pick
Speaker 1: for Dallas at fifty six and I wouldn't put him
Speaker 1: there myself. And I love the way though he's super active,
Speaker 1: I think he could attack the pocket. He I felt
Speaker 1: like he does have a little bin to his game.
Speaker 1: He could get off quickly with the first step and
Speaker 1: get underneath the blocker to make a make the play.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that there's times where, like
Speaker 1: I say, the best thing he does is chase the ball.
Speaker 1: Everything else you're kind of like going, huh okay, you
Speaker 1: know if you want to. You know, he stands up
Speaker 1: as a defensive end. He stands up as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: You know, he worked out at the line at the
Speaker 1: combine as a linebacker. So people obviously feel like that
Speaker 1: that maybe was where he's at. But I felt like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play this guy in, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: probably five six guys better for me. So I've ad
Speaker 1: him in the back end of the third. And again,
Speaker 1: you folks at mock draft him every time. To me
Speaker 1: at the second, I don't make a comment about it,
Speaker 1: but I see it every damn time I see it.
Speaker 1: I disagree with it. Keep sending us your mock drafts.
Speaker 1: We love it well, I mean I loved the mock trap.
Speaker 1: But it's just there's some there's sometimes I would have
Speaker 1: to comment about it every single time. Yeah, he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that wins with speed, and that's about it.
Speaker 1: About four five forty. I mean, he's got been But
Speaker 1: if you're asking him to over muscle or out muscle
Speaker 1: a guy at the line of scrimmage, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Gonna wrap this up with a linebacker out of Penn
Speaker 1: State worked pretty well last year, Brandon Smith tell me more,
Speaker 1: very volatile, aggressive athletic, and all of those things kind
Speaker 1: of combined to put him a little out of control
Speaker 1: at times on tape. He's in the wrong spot a
Speaker 1: couple different times. But he's long, he's speedy. He can
Speaker 1: fit well in a subpackle sub package, maybe a nickel roll.
Speaker 1: I think his best thing is covering, maybe not necessarily
Speaker 1: running down a hill's the best way, you know. I
Speaker 1: think there's things where he's you know, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things with him as a tackler. He's either going
Speaker 1: to make the tackle or the ball cares just gonna
Speaker 1: bounce off him for extra yard. There's no I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no great finish and I do respect the way
Speaker 1: he throws his body around, but he's super reckless the
Speaker 1: way he plays, and that's a concern. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say his instincts so the absolute best. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like there are things that he misses when the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, when that when the ball goes a direction,
Speaker 1: he's still kind of like trying to find it. Recognition, recognition.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's all that great. I do think
Speaker 1: there's his technique could be all over the place, and
Speaker 1: he always doesn't get off the blocks. So but man,
Speaker 1: he's six four, he's two fifty, and you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably there's somebody's gonna find a spot for him.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of things that you would say, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not really overly excited about him as a player.
Speaker 1: Do you think he shies away from contact too much
Speaker 1: as as a linebacker? No, I mean, I like I said,
Speaker 1: I thought he was reckless. I mean, he'll throw his
Speaker 1: body in there, and but I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to make the tackle because I think foundational, he said,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like he's not wrapping up. He's guys
Speaker 1: are bound off him. He's bouncing off ball carriers. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's things that are gonna be like people
Speaker 1: are gonna say they're gonna fall in love with the
Speaker 1: measurables on this kid, but I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to get the best instincts and the best finish
Speaker 1: out of this kid. Gotta say you sold me a
Speaker 1: lot harder on DeMarco Jackson, like bringing him on my team.
Speaker 1: I have Brandon Smith higher because of the trades and
Speaker 1: because of some of the speed that he has. However,
Speaker 1: I would probably be more inclined to take a DeMarco
Speaker 1: Jackson at eighty eight than I would take like a
Speaker 1: Brandon Smith at fifty six. Fair enough, That'll do it
Speaker 1: for another edition of Tell Me More, Guys. We are
Speaker 1: We're getting there, man. We are creeping toward the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: It is three from today. It's a dead on sprint
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, well, fair were And it feels like
Speaker 1: it's just it's the forty yard dash. It all at
Speaker 1: once feels like it's right around the corner and like
Speaker 1: it'll never get here. You know, you're gonna wake up
Speaker 1: one day and it's gonna be the draft, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna know you're gonna have to work eighteen straight out.
Speaker 1: We wear ties first day, but I won't be with you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you will be. I'll where with you,
Speaker 1: all right. Appreciate first day, first day where you're tied.
Speaker 1: Then where your drafts draft show, I forget. We will.
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Speaker 1: as we get closer. This has been the draft show
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