WEBVTT - Draft Show: Digging Deeper 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.280 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:13.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.479 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.600 insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:29.360 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. And now 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:35.720 your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:42.720 David Hellman. It is Thursday, April the seventh. It is 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.919 time for another episode of the Draft Show, presented by 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.000 our friends at Miller Lite. I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.040 by Kyle Yeoman's and Brian brought us. Jeff Kavanaughs out 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.440 in East Texas somewhere. I think, yeah, Lake Cato, right, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.560 something like that, hanging out. He's in beautiful. Beautiful to 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.600 see him out there, say hello, ask him to a 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.360 mock draft for you. I tried to get the I 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.840 tried to get the invite he didn't offer. That's okay. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.959 We will guide you all through the next hour of 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:15.759 draft talk, and guys, be honest. I'm I'm bored of 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:21.600 the talking points. I'm bored of the guard receiver Zion 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.640 Kenyon Green, Chris Lava Traylan Burke's conversation. I think he's 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.120 saying there brought us he doesn't love the draft. No, no, no, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.319 I'm gonna take it another direction, cot which we will 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.480 point out thirty visits are ongoing. Ironically, I think you know, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:43.199 Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson were like here yesterday. Big 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.640 time prospects continue to roll through the Star. But what 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.720 I want to do, it's not that I don't like 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.200 the draft. I want to I want to go another 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.280 layer deep because I feel like there's only so much 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.800 we can say you love it too much. I want 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.120 to get into the nitty gritty good. I want to 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.680 start here at guard because just more more than anything 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.120 at that position specifically, because like we've covered the gamut 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.880 with receiver and a bunch of these other positions, I 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.160 wonder if we've given the guard position it's due credit 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.040 considering how big of a need it is for this 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.040 Cowboys team. So I wanted to talk to you all 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.760 about some of the other guys, the guys that aren't 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.040 at the top of the depth chart, whether that's Darian Kinnard, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.560 who we've talked about a little bit, or Jamari Sailor 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.800 out of Georgia, who I don't think we've talked about 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.920 at all on this show. If the Cowboys don't draft 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.920 a guard with the twenty fourth overall pick, I would 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.919 just love to get a better idea of how y'all 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.200 feel about the position. I think, you know when you 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.200 all these positions, when you dive into them. Because I 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.040 don't have that many first round grades. You have twenty 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.840 guys on my first round grade board, so now, okay, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.520 where are the bulk of those other names appearing? And 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.280 you know, the guard spot, to me is one of 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.720 those positions that has a little depth from the rounds two, three, four. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.399 I think the fact that you have guys that were 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:13.000 converted tackles that are projected to guards, you know, I 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.320 think that adds to a little bit to the intrigue 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.280 are you you know with the Cowboys, they're in a situation. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.560 Would always believe in position flexibility. Can the guy do this? 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.320 Can a guy do that? I would just rather, hey, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.560 find a guy, plug him in and let him play. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.720 But yeah, this is this is a this is a 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.600 group that I kind of feel like though that if 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.720 you didn't get one in the first round, that you 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.440 could find somebody offensive linemen are weird that way that 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.000 you know, Yeah, the first round ones are great to have, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.920 and Dallas has done a great job with plug and 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.960 play first round guys. But the second, third round, fourth 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.680 round guys, it might be one or two there that 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.080 end up being better off than some maybe some of 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.480 these first round guys were talking about. And it's it's 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.320 tough to project because you mentioned kind of the position 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.160 flex and I know that's a hated term around draft time, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.760 but it's it's guys that are projected to be in 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.840 a different position than they played in college. And you 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.440 you mentioned the second level of guys. Outside of Green 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.560 and Johnson, who of course played the guard position and 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.760 did so effectively in college, the next four guys on 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.920 my list are at Ingram, Tyler Smith, Jeremy Sawyer, and 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.599 Daryan Kinnard. Those four, out of three of those four 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.640 guys played tackle in college, and that's Kinnard, Smith, and Sawyer. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.480 So all three of those guys are making that projected 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.080 jump into guard. They've maybe played it a little bit, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.440 but it's tough to really tell just how good they're 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.159 going to be and if they're ready to make that 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.480 jump into the NFL and make the switch to guard 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.760 at the same time. You know, I you know there's 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.880 and Kyle's absolutely right about that. You know. I'll also 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.839 include a guy, Justin Schaeffer from george as another guy 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.520 that I really really like. I know, it's almost like 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.640 they won the national title or something. Yeah, but you 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.080 know there's who dozen of these is a senior Bowl guy. Yeah, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.040 he started left he started left guard for Georgia and 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.680 I'm just gonna say that the names he has are 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:09.320 absolutely right. Ryan from UCLA is another guy that's in there. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.600 So we got we get a lot of questions about him. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.919 Can you just take me through Sean Ryan really quickly? Yeah, 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.320 I think with Sean Ryan. He started left tackle for 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.600 UCLA and people project him to play guard. I mean 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.120 he's a big guy, six to five, he's three twenty one. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.039 But you know he'll they'll line him up at both 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.200 tackle spots because they play unbalanced lines sometimes. I mean 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.479 him balanced this like if he's the left tackle, he'll 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.960 line up on the right side. They'll just go heavy 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.440 to one side of it. And but this is a 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.200 massive guy that moves fairly well. I mean his basse 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.680 I thought got a little narrow at times at run 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.360 blocking and he just like uses masks to try and 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.320 get movement more than he will technique. And I think 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.560 there's some bullyiness to his game, you know, as a 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.360 run blocker, and I think that's where you get kind 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.400 of you kind of see like, Okay, I get what 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.640 he is. He's a big guy. He's going a bully you. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.240 But you know he can he can make blocks in space. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.360 There's a lot of times where you watch him get 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.359 as a tackle. They run the screens, they do stuff 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 where uh, he's a draw and it's like he has 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.159 to wheel on a guy and then push and widen 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.440 the guy. I mean, he there's there. You know, there 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.160 was there was times where I thought that were you know, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.080 he was a little bit high coming off the ball. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.120 But other than that, man again, that's a big man 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.640 that moves fairly well. I think he always looks under control. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.279 As what I had as as my first note was 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.040 he looks under control. And for a guy that's six 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.200 foot four and twenty pounds, I mean that's pretty impressive. Yeah, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.640 I actually comped into a bigger Connor Williams, a guy 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.720 who played tackle in college, was really good in the run. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.560 Was a guy who they put on the run a lot, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.080 because in that spread offense at UCLA, it wasn't like 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.599 he was doing traditional pass sets. It was mostly on 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.840 the run trying to get to the second level, utilizing athleticism, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.000 which he certainly has, and he was super aggressive at 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.760 doing so. I mean, he was just overly aggressive. Sometimes 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.359 got a little headstrong, like you said, out of position, 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.920 but that was mostly because he was just headhunting on 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.440 the way to whoever he was trying to lock up 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.160 on a block. But I think for a guy who's 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.800 a later pick, it goes back to what Brian was saying, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.520 there is value outside of the first round at the 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.040 offensive line spot, which bodes well for the Cowboys if 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.800 they wanted to go a different direction. Six four three 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.600 twenty one. Yeah, that's a big fellow right there. Yeah. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:34.440 Speaking of which, right behind him, another guy I don't 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.680 think we've given. We haven't given his due credit as Sawyer, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.240 the other Georgia guy. What can you tell me about him? 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.040 About Sawyer? You know, he was the starting left tackle, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.800 So you know, here you have Sawyer and Schaefer playing 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.280 on both on the left side for Georgia, and when 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.040 you watched him run the football. That's the direction that 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.240 they were going. And you know, I don't think that 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.520 Sawyer is like when you start talking about body control 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.640 and balance, but his athletic ability will surprise you. And 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.040 the movement he has for three twenty one pounds is 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.520 really really impressive. You watch the Michigan game and all 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.080 of a sudden, he's handling both their defensive ends and 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.880 we're talking about those two Cats as being first round, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.320 one of them talking about maybe going first overall, and 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.240 there was some there was It was very frustrating to 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.280 those Michigan edge players to have to deal with Sawyer 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.000 a here. I mean, this guy's got some stoutness to him. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.600 There was only one snap that I did see where 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.400 Hutchinson used an arm over move on him, but other 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.400 than that boom, everything else was was great. He gets 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.679 movement in the running game because of his masks. He's 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.959 going to overpower defenders when he comes off the ball, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.520 when he leans on you, you know he's gonna get 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.000 movement that way. And I kind of felt like though that, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.160 you know, when he gets away from the line of scrimmage, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.720 this pass set and all that, everything was really really 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.840 spot on for him. So again another one of those 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.000 guys that doesn't get overextended, doesn't get out of balance. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.559 Sometimes the body control, like I say, a little little 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.959 ify there, but not always. But watched that Michigan game 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.280 and you'll be impressed by the way he's playing. That 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.720 was by far my favorite tape that I watched. And 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.280 then it was also interesting because in that National Championship 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.400 game he took snaps at guard and tackle. He remember 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.080 game two, yeah, back and forth, and was a part 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.200 of that that kind of mixture of guys up front 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:29.079 for Georgia. One thing I noted against uh Sawyer and 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.000 that's one of the reasons I knocked his draft stock 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.000 a little bit. It looked like outside of the Michigan game, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.960 he struggled a little bit against athletic edges, like the 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.600 stronger edges that are a little bit slower off the snap. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.320 He handled pretty much all the way through the SEC 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.920 play but against Kentucky in Arkansas and Alabama a couple 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.480 times when it was the quicker guys off the edge, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.520 he struggled. Did you see any of that as well? 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.240 You know, it was funny because the games that I 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.240 was watching and were with the playoff game and then 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.640 the National Championship game, and because I was real interested 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.320 because of like you were talking about, you know, with 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.600 those defensive ends at Michigan, do both of those guys 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.960 are pretty quick, you know, both of get all at 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.520 all And that's the one that kind of provided me 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.680 pass because I'm looking at him handling Aidan Hutchinson David 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.760 a Jabo and then you go to Kentucky and Lewis 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.960 Pascal or Dash Pascal getting after him all the way through. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.800 So it was it was an interesting back and forth. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.960 That was what of Pascal's best games too. By the way, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.160 if you want to watch a defensive endplay and you know, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.199 if you want to get an idea, but yeah, I 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.840 kind of felt like though to me that that you know, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.320 at that size and that weight, and I saw a 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.560 guy getting away from the line pretty well be so 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.199 that that kind of just you know, I didn't see 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.600 what you were talking about. But you know, there's there's 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.560 things you miss is you're watching these guys. So you 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.720 guys are both way north of one hundred players scouted. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.679 You're looking at your board and you just said you 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.640 don't have any ones, So how many twos do you have? Well, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.520 that's what I'm saying. No, I if you look at 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:04.080 my if you look at my twos and it's Green, Johnson, Ingram, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.680 and Kennard are the guys that I would say that 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.040 would be my twos. And then the guys we just 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.520 talked about, Sawyer Schaeffer, I like Mumford from Ohio State. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.880 I'm starting now in the third and Ryan in the third. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.480 So I've got if you really look at I've got 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.280 eight guys in the first three rounds. Well, yeah, eight 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.840 guys in the first three rounds, and then another three 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.560 guys in the fourth. So I've got plenty of guards 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.480 when it comes down to this right there with you. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.160 Four guys in the second Green, Johnson, Knard, Ingram, Johnson 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.280 and Green are one two cheater grades for me. That 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.520 that kind of one two punch that we've talked about previously. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.120 I have eight guys in the first three rounds, but 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.080 they're just different guys throughout. Sawyer's in there, Ingram's in there, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.840 and then I've got Tyler Smith, but I know he 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.800 could probably be a tackle guard back and forth. Lex 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.520 Dylan Parham from Memphis is in that conversation as an 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.640 interior guy and then I've got Kade May's, and Andrew's 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:05.120 Andrew Stabort from Michigan. I'm trying to remember how to 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.960 say his name, but stupor in the that borderline third 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.720 round guys uh that are on the outside looking like 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.280 this moment, there's a Lexus I think I said right, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.480 Lexus Smith from Virginia Tech is another guy you can see. Okay, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.000 Senior Bowl guy. Okay, remember him le Setus. Okay, it's 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.800 one days. I'm gonna get these guys names, right, I'll 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.599 probably never but yeah, give him give hiving trouble with 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.600 this draft too. Yeah, there's some some strange ones too, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.720 and there's cold strange yep. Ah see what I'm doing there, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.000 which uh Chattanooga right, Yeah, Senior Bowl guy. No disrespect 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.520 to him whatsoever. I We've gotten a lot of questions 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.040 about him as well. But I just I get stuck 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.480 in that mode where I'm like, if you played at 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.480 an FCS school, I just gotta I gotta see you 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.200 get drafted here to believe it will happen. Yeah, you know, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.160 I wasn't. I had him in the I had him 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.600 in the fourth round, and I I just kind of 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.280 said like about him, was kind of an throw back 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.600 or old school player. He doesn't wear any gloves or 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.440 hand protection on his head. Those are the nastiest guy. Yeah, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.559 and so I mean it's I said, that's something you 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.240 don't see very often. But you know, he didn't appear 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.040 to give up on blocks, and he stayed on his 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.880 feed and I mean, good foot athlete on tape. I 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.440 didn't see him on the ground all that much. But 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.920 you know, I mean I thought finishing was pretty good. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.560 I thought he could climb his guy pretty good. Movement 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.640 skills are good, but he's just not very clean on 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.640 some of the athletic pools and stuff like that. It's 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.680 kind of a little bit about watching Jerkins, the center 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.520 from Nebraska. Everybody says, oh, this guy tested really really well, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.800 and I'm like, yeah, but he watched the tape against Oklahoma. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.520 He's getting rocked a little bit. He looks out of balance, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.000 he looks you know, he's playing on one leg. You know, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.760 I'm kind of like, Okay, if you want to tell 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.080 me he's a great athlete, fine, well, there's a lot 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.200 of Nebraska players, if you want to go through the history, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.200 that have always tested very well and haven't played very well. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.280 You know, so that's kind of where But if you 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.640 watch the tape of him the Oklahoma game is pretty 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.720 eye opening. It that's something you want to do. So 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.840 you just said eight guys, and so I feel better 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.720 about this than I did at the top of the show. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.319 But I think it's still fair to say. I would 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.160 imagine I feel better about your options on day two 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.760 at receiver than I would have guard. You know. And 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.640 the thing about it is, though, and you've got to 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.200 remember this, that they had a second round grade on 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.840 Connor McGovern. Yeah, grade if one to one. That scares 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.880 the though I almost said a bad work. That scares 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.160 the crap out of you, doesn't it. Yeah, Well, just 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.680 knowing that plays to how scared you actually are of this. Well, 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.600 I mean we've we've talked a lot about it, and 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.160 rightfully so, I mean they had a very high grade 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:44.000 on him, and I think entering a contract year, yeah, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.160 you would have to say it hasn't worked out all that. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.600 There seems to be some thought that they might let 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:53.160 him compete against the center and see if if in 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.480 fact that he could be a center. You know, that's 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.240 that instead of playing some guard. But you know, I mean, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.920 we you know. On my radio show yesterday, we had 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.680 the discussion about would you move Would you move if 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.360 you knew that Connor mcgovernn was a good right guard? 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.760 Would you move Zack? Yeah? We talked about that until 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.560 last week. Okay, move Zack to left guard? Yeah? Yeah, 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.640 so I mean the same thing. I mean, it's kind 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.480 of kind of crazy to think, but if you, you know, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.120 would you always think about get your best five on 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.640 the field? Yeah, you know, yeah we did. I'm I'm 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.280 just so torn by that idea, because, hey, Zach, you're 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.720 the best in the league. Get your job. You you're 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.080 the problem. You have to like flip it the old 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.160 the office space quote, why should I change? He's the 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.680 one that sucks? Yeah, you know, but at the same time, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.640 you gotta get your best five on the field. I 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.600 wasn't here for this conversation. Did you say you would 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.480 do that, Brian, or you know what? I would? I 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.880 think I would, you know, at least entertain it. Yeah. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.400 I think you'd have to ask, but I'm not I 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.800 wouldn't be like, why move a Hall of Fame guard? 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.800 I mean, but if it meant that maybe that you 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.320 could fix your position, I think you'd have to consider it. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.160 I want to if I could ask you guys a question. Sure, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.000 And we talked to me. I remember, like say the 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.040 thirty visit things. I'm still trying to get my arms 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.800 around the Charles Cross thing. Okay, why he's on their list? Yeah, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.840 And I asked guys around the league, and nobody was 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.160 saying anything negative about Charles Cross, Like am I missing 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:18.640 Charles Cross? Like beats up puppies or something like that, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.760 or you know what I'm saying. I mean, is there 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.320 something that is there's something keeping Charles Cross from I 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.400 mean because every mock draft, every every one of my 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.640 I'm scene, he doesn't go lower than the top ten. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.240 And then yesterday we did an exercise again on my 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.120 radio show where myself and Gavin Dawson we're trying to 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.520 trade up to spots and we were trying to figure 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.160 out would it be worth your first and your second 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.800 to go get a guy like Charles Cross, you know, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.840 And then we got to like around like the thirteenth 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.760 and fourteenth pick, and then we stopped having interest in 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.720 what because we felt like that there were only maybe 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.520 a couple of guys there, but Charles Cross would be 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.840 seemed like the only guy that you would trade up for. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.320 Am I right about that? Say the third visit guys? Okay, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.800 if the guys on the list, um, how big of 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.000 a trade. That's what I'm saying. If you had to 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.679 go to the commanders, it's gonna cost you your first 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.399 in your second. Yeah, if you're going, you know, it 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.960 gets a little a little better if you get down 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.000 to like if you know, if you think he's gonna 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.040 be there at thirteen fourteen, you know that that's about 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.040 where you probably are gonna have to stop because everybody, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.479 I mean, there's a team at thirteen. It's gonna use 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.199 you can use an offensive tack? What Houston? Yeah? You know, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.159 do you have to jump ahead at Houston to make 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.640 sure you have a chance at Charles Cross? Because there's 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.680 there's three names on the list that I'm looking at 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.720 that you may have to go up to get and 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.399 that I completely don't think there's even a chance they 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.200 slide the twenty four Cross Lloyd and I wouldn't even 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.280 say Lloyd. I wouldn't put him in that maybe borderline 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.800 but a Lobby and London maybe I was thinking London 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.960 and Jordan Davis d those are the three that like 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.960 if I circled it and said, I'm I'm saying these 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.440 guys are top fifteen picks, it would be Davis, it 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.359 would be h Drake London, and then it'd be Charles Cross. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.879 Cross maybe the top name out of those three. Yeah. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.479 So he also plays the most valuable position probably, so 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.600 there's even more so of a chance that he doesn't 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.040 fall outside of the top eight. If you told me 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.639 that I drafted Charles Cross, I'd ask Zack Martin to 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:21.080 move to left guard. That's what I'm trying to get at. Okay, 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.120 you know, because you're putting Cross at right tackle. Yeah, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.600 you know what, And I'm sorry, Uh, I'm sorry, Terrence. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.200 Still you become my swing tackle in week five when 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.120 Tyrn Smith gets rolled up on Yeah, misses three games 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.640 with the high ankle spring. Actually and well, in that case, yeah, say, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.680 in that case, Charles Cross becomes my left tackle. Yeah, exactly, right, Yeah, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.159 exactly exactly. If If I were to drafted Charles Cross, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.879 I would I would ask Zach Martin had been make 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.359 the move? Okay, because what I'm what I'm learning is 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.760 about talking to my pro scout guys around the league, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.359 the guys that are available the guys that are available 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.439 on the street. Every one of these guys has issues. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.639 Oh yeah, every one of these guys is talking about 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.240 the Trey Turner. If you look at See Traders, everybody 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.320 look at the list of guys that are still available, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.880 it's it's hardly inspiring. It makes I mean the one 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.520 there was one guy. There was one guy that my 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.000 my pro scouting buddies gave me as a name to 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.439 maybe if to keep an eye on and if I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.960 could pull it up real quick. It was a kid 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.399 name Trenton Scott from Carolina. He's evidently on the street 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.720 and he said, my guy say, he's a swing tackle 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:31.000 that played some guard. Watched the first Carolina game versus Atlanta. 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.960 He just mauled the Falcons. From what I was told, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.240 big physical, pretty versatile. But everybody else did. I asked 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.000 about the trade Turners and the other guys, everybody of 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.199 them was like, they're all broken down, they're starting to decline. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.960 You know. That's the biggest fear of Stephen Jones is 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.639 to buy one of these guys. Then all of a 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.920 sudden it turns into a Gerald McCoy or somebody like that, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.080 which when you look at it again, I don't somebody 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.040 else went off the board yesterday. I don't remember who 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.520 it was, but a veteran offensive line Oh it was GERMAINEA. Yeah, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.960 Na Fetti signed yesterday. And you look at the list 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.000 and you're like, Okay, I think it would have been 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.520 smart for the Cowboys to do something earlier, but at 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.080 this point you're probably better off waiting and seeing what 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.639 you get in the draft. See that's where I was 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.760 kind of feeling like, and there's a you know, there's 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.480 a bunch of rumors going around about the little the 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.639 wide receiver from Houston right that the Cowboys. I'm going 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.479 Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks, you know, can you flip something 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.840 to go get Brandon Cooks? And does that keep you 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.720 from drafting somebody at twenty four? You know, that's the 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.600 thought right there, because if they make a Brandon Cooks trade, 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.119 then my gut, my gut feeling is that they're going 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.920 to go another direction with this thing, that you'll probably 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.240 be one of these offensive linements. Without getting too far 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.919 specifically into the weeds on a guy like Cooks, but 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.720 if you were going to make a trade like that, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.199 what would the price be? You're probably gonna. I mean, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.080 you'd be like a third or fourth. I think you 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:52.720 have to. I think I would you get with all 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.840 those fives, you know, try and get it in one 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.359 of those. I mean you try to look at what 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.520 DeVante Parker costs the Patriots and then you hear that 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.520 the cowboy always called about it and it didn't get done. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.320 So you assume you start there and go start lower 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.400 than a third. Probably. Yeah, I'm looking at Cooks's contract. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.680 So Cooks is under contract for what to uh, one 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.439 to one more season? Yeah? One more season? Oh no, 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.280 He's got void years on his deals, so I mean 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.800 you can keep him around. So I'd probably be like 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.719 a fifth or four. See, that's what I'm saying. If 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.040 you if you offer a four and then you say 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.360 or you maybe even try one of those fives four 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.520 and five may just a five. I mean I think 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.760 maybe if you'd offer a couple of fives, you know 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:32.840 you got four of them, yes, but but you know 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.000 I was for his age and the amount of time 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.120 he has left on his contract. I sure wouldn't offer 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.760 a whole lot more. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.320 And we had Todd Archer on yesterday. And he was 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.080 talking about that, and he goes last year, I would 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.000 have never believed the Cowboys make eleven picks. But when 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:47.760 you look at Steven Jones and you look what he 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.040 talks about with the cap, you know, they need all 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.720 these guys to play. They need Quintin Bohannon to play, 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.280 they need Gholston to play. They need all these guys 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.119 to play. You know, that's that's what they that they 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.240 They would rather draft you every one of those picks 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.720 to try and and and you know, keep their salary 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.399 cap stuff in line real quick before we go to break. 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.719 Do you think something like that is coming down the 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:15.880 pipe before draft day? What the receiver? And really, yeah, 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.560 anything that would I was hopeful that they would identify 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.800 a young guard that's probably stuck in the back end 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.200 of somebody's roster that they could they could take one 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.040 of those fifths and movie probably be a player that 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.280 we'd have to google. Yeah, and then the pro guys 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.200 would all be like, no, man, that was a great pick. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.440 That was a great job by the Cowboys. I was 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.119 hopeful they would do that so it would kind of 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.600 protect them a little bit for what's going forward. I 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.040 think it's hard to believe that they would go into 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:47.639 April twenty eighth and not have anything else happen. Like 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.960 I know that it sounds possible. They get it with Washington, 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.600 they did it with Washington, they did it with Layton 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.200 vander Esh. I think they've made some signings that they're 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.600 not totally married too. Yeah. You know, if one of 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.760 these fits of ends comes along and foulers not what 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.040 he's not what he's supposed to be, boom, you just 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:11.320 move on Vandresh, move on Washington, move on, you know. Yeah. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.480 I just I mean Hooks, Cooks to me would be 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:15.400 a guy that if you traded, he's going to make 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.439 your team. And then now maybe that takes you into 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.360 not having to worry about a wide receiver one, two, 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.640 maybe even three. Yeah, it would. I mean, I think 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.040 they need to do something. Like I said, the guard 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.520 market hardly looks inspiring, but it feels like there's work 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:34.080 left to do. So I guess we'll see. We're gonna 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:35.639 take a break. We ran a little bit long, but 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.560 we're gonna try to rapid fire as many of your 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:42.720 questions as possible when we get back. This is Chad Hennings, 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.920 former Cowboy and proud veteran of the United States Air Force. 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.760 When my fellow military veterans choose the A, they received 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.240 life changing benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. If 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.720 you are a veteran, you may be eligible for healthcare, 0:23:55.920 --> 0:24:00.520 education and training benefits, a homelan guarantee, housing assistance, and more. 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.600 Choose VA for the benefits you've earned. 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Well, I mean it would be Charles Cross, right, 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.280 I think it would be for Charles Cross. Yeah, it 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.080 would either be Cross or Jordan Davis for me. Two. Yeah, 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.639 you would give up twenty four and fifty six to 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:36.240 get Jordan Davis. That was That's the question. That was 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.560 the question. That's a little different. Yeah, probably just crossed 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.760 which I did the math. Jordan Davis is great, but 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.040 I don't know if I want to give up fifty 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.040 six those two picks would get you up to like 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.040 the fourteenth or fifteenth pick. Yeah, yeah, and less something. 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.399 I mean, if if for some you know, if Cavon 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.840 Thibodeau hates football, enough that he was still hanging out 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.320 at fourteen meant you could maybe convince me that was worthwhile. 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.000 But I think Charles. I think Charles crosses Cavon Tibbott 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.440 and to Marcus Lawrence on opposite sides of the defensive 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.000 line together, I can think of worse things. Guy Stingley 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.239 had a nice workout yesterday, Yes I did, didn't he 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.119 I was going to talk about him in the first segment. 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.480 I was like, do we need to like? He ran 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.879 his way out of the conversation with He knew he 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.920 was going to run his way. The question the questions 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.920 was the health and the questions words. He really love football. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.159 And when we talk to our friends down there in 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.840 Baton Rouge, they tell us, listen, he just needs a 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.679 big brother. Minnesota seems to be a really now that 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.720 Patrick Peterson's resigned in Minnesota. If Mit the Vikings were 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.320 to draft Derek Stingley, I think that would be a 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.760 great pick for them. Well, Draylon Diggs could be a 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.119 big brother. Yep. No, that's what I'm saying, absolutely no, no, 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.960 And those questions still remain. But when he can go 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.639 and what he said yesterday, he's only worked out for 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.680 three weeks since he got healthy and he ran a 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.000 four three seven and had a thirty nine inch vertical, 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.360 all of those questions like are still there, and he's 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.280 still going to be a top fifteen pick. I can't 0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.920 imagine he would slip a whole hell of a lot. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.760 Further than that, have you watched Sauce Gardner play at all? Yeah? 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:05.600 Is there a chance that he's the best player or not? 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.159 We've talked about that before, Yeah, I mean yes, oh 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.919 we have. Yeah. I mean I'm sorry, I don't know 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.280 if that's specifically, but I don't know if he's the 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.600 best player in the draft, but he's comfortably he should 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:19.320 be a top five pick. I think I said that 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.080 last week, Like if he gets if the Giants don't 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.520 take him with one of their picks, I just think 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.800 that would be dumb, especially if they're really interested in 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.400 moving on from James Bradberry. Do you have him as 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:29.879 the top player in the draft? I was just no, 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:31.800 I don't, But I was just curious that, Like, but 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.440 to me, he's one of those guys because we've talked 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.240 about Walker. I mean Walker, there's nobody in this draft 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.600 process that's made more of a rise. Remember, when we 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.159 first started, it was Walker was the pick at twenty 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.119 four for Dallas. Then Walker became the pick for the 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:50.919 Ravens at fourteen, and then Walker became the pick for 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.479 the Lions at two. There's nobody that has risen up 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:58.720 draft boards faster than this guy. Which, to go back 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.560 to the Cross thing real quick, I just and I 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.639 doubt it because you get your questions, and I know 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:05.919 we do, but I doubt it because of the position 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:09.160 that he plays. But the thing with Walker too, Yeah, 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.840 we keep talking about how much variance there is in 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.560 this draft, and just maybe there's just no consensus on 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.520 these There's no consensus, and so maybe, like maybe it 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.600 wouldn't be shocking if somebody like Charles Cross falls to 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.520 like seventeen. I don't know, Well, there's gonna be a 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.440 lot of guys and gals in rooms where you can't 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:29.000 drive a nail up their rear. It's gonna be that Seriously, 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:30.919 it's gonna be that kind of draft, at least for 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.359 the first I think for the first round. Probably for 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.040 thirty two teams, yeah, or I guess thirty teams because 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.879 because you've got it, you've got to you've got to 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.560 identify some hurt players. You've got to identify players with 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.520 some maybe some questions about off the field stuff. There's 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.800 players that you know maybe don't fit the profiles because 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.360 of height, weight, speed. It's gonna be this. This draft 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.560 has a real potential when we look back of maybe 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.479 being really busty. M Yeah, well when it's not sexy 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.160 at the top, I think that has it's possible, all right, 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.680 rapid fire, brevity. Brevity is the soul of wit guys. 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.160 Let's try to get to some of these. Chris is 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.600 worried about the depth of the tight end position in 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.360 the sense that once the top two or three go, 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.000 there's not a lot left. You feel that way. Do 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:16.640 you feel like you might have to draft a tight 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.960 end like around early in this class. I don't think so. 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.160 I think there are a couple tight ends there that 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.800 are decent. But it kind of goes back to what 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.160 Brian's talking about. They were either hurt or they're one 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.400 trick ponies, and that's the thing. They do something really well. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.880 But that's really about it. Because you've got Trade McBride, 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.000 who's the most complete guy probably at the top of 0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.400 my list. Then you've got the Greg Dolchich from UCLA, 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.200 Jeremy Ruckert who's a thirty busy guy from Ohio State, 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.760 Kay Doton, who I know Brian's been very good or 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.840 very high on with out of Washington, and then Isaiah 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:52.760 likely the gilani Woods for Virginia are kind of those 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.840 second tier guys for me, but they do some things 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.600 very very well. And then you've just got a bunch 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.320 of receivers too along the way that you can maybe 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.360 go at. So it depends on what you want for 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.800 tight end if you're looking for a blocking guy or 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.000 all around guy. I can see the concern, but I 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.280 think there's a guy that can do what you need 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:12.800 them to do and you can get them in the 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.760 later rounds as well. I think this is a really 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.360 rare tight end draft in the way of guys that 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.760 are like six seven, you know, when you start to 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.080 talk about guys like with you know, with Cole Turner 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.240 was a guy at Nevada I'd watched. I really really 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.800 liked him a lot Cooler from Iowa State, they're a guy. Yeah, 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.240 there are guys on this draft that are very much 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.520 that hard to cover because they're so long. When all 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.080 of a sudden you got safeties and linebackers, corners trying 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:39.680 to cover these tight ends. When you watch them and 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.480 there's sixty seven and they extend, you're slapping their wrists, 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.760 you know, your forearms, You're you're not getting to the ball. 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.040 And that's what makes a lot of these guys interest. 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.080 I think it's I think it's actually a pretty good list. 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.160 I'm not saying there's any glass eaters as blockers here, 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.680 but I will say that there's guys that they do 0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.560 catch the ball very well. So if the Cowboys don't 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.000 spend the top one hundred pick on a tight end, 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.600 Saturday comes around, you feel pretty good. That's still yeah, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.400 I mean there's still people. I mean, I know we 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.600 all love Bucky Brooks and stuff like that. He still 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.040 has Widemeyer in his top five. I'm not taking Widemeyer 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.840 out of my mix either. I mean, I've always seemed 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:20.800 to like him. Yeah, I've watched here. I've watched too 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:25.640 many games of him playing against LSU and Alabamas and 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.720 the Old Misses and the Auburns. You know that you 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.040 figure it out? Do you not like football? Do you 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.640 not like working out? If you get if you you know, 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.160 are you're gonna be this way because he's too talented 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.080 of a guy. He really really is. Yeah, I mean 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.000 that's the ultimate trusting the tape. Have you watched chigoes 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.760 him okonquo from Maryland. I have not gotten a few 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.040 questions about him over the He's a little bit smaller 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.280 than some of these other guys Brian's talking about. He's 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.440 six foot two and a half two hundred and forty pounds, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.040 ran a four to five forty. He had a thirty 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.480 two and a half inch vert or actually thirty five 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.400 and a half inch vertical. I think he could be 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.280 one of those kind of hybrid h back sort of 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.280 guys that fits a role in a modern NFL offense 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:08.520 that you can put him in the slot if you 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.920 really wanted to. He's a decent blocker, not super vital 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.040 or versatile in his pass catching ability, but he gets 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.360 separation and he gets open as a tied end. I 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.720 like him in the later Day three conversation as a 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.080 deput piece in this draft. I'll tell you what's a 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.400 good scounding reporting the guy. I personally don't think they're 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:28.880 going to extend Schultz. I don't either. I think this 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.360 was the one year to just to kind of flow over, 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.640 hold it over and give they need a year to 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.080 get this guy up to speed. Yeah, well they need 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:37.960 a year to kind of help Dak too, because you 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.440 blot out to Maury Cooper, now you got banged up 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.320 receivers and stuff like that. This person's name is UC Analytics, 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.840 so you'll be shocked to hear that he wants to 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:51.560 know about Drake Jackson the Southern cow Edge. Yeah, Drake Jackson, 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.440 just how you view him as a player, Yeah, Jake, 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.840 he's making a lot of visits when you start to 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.920 I think that they were tweeting out that he had 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:02.120 twelve visits set up up and an interesting guy. Sixty three, 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.400 two hundred and fifty four pound. He plays really is 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.880 a stand up outside linebacker defensive end. And I thought 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.880 he was kind of a slippery guy. When I mean 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:14.440 slippery that ability to like when you can rush inside outside, 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.520 but I mean his ability to redirect I think is outstanding. 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:21.760 There are plays where he appears to be out of 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.440 position and then boom, he's right back in that. So 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.040 you know, he's one of those guys I thought too 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.040 that could kind of capture the edge with the first 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.200 couple of steps with the quickness, lower the shoulder, work 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.760 past the tackle. He fights pressure on blocks. He's got 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:41.520 some relentless traits to his game. And but I also 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.920 feel like there's times where though he'll struggle to disengage 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.960 and where guys can kind of get on him and 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.960 he's gonna he's fighting at Again. I say, he fights pressure, 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.480 but he just when you really need him to get 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.000 off the thing. You think that's a size thing. I don't. 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:57.440 I was asking. I was going to ask the same 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.720 thing as its strength. Yeah, I think it's more about 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.280 his drink. Yeah, but you know, I mean, if he's 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.920 got the length to be really better at this, But 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.600 there's times, like I say that he just does it. 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.799 But his movement skills are really really impressed. He's crazy athletic, 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.720 I mean ultra athletic. He didn't run anything at the combine, 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.960 which is a little unfortunate. His jumps were good. Um, However, 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.600 I'm with Brian. The strength just doesn't look even existent. 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.160 I mean, he looks like he just does not have 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.400 that extra whenever he gets to the point of attack. 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.560 And that scares me a little bit for a guy 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.840 who's going to be projected as that three four outside 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.960 linebacker off the edge, sort of guy. Twelve teams. A 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.640 lot of guys are looking at him. Where do y'all 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.640 have him? Third? I have him in the third, late third. Yeah, buddy, 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.480 a friend of the show, our buddy Yuma Cactus nice. 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.520 And you start to feel comfortable with JAFF drafting Justin Ross, 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.799 the Clemson receiver with the neck injury. Yeah, I'm you know, 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.080 I haven't got any report from anybody that name since 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:04.120 like February early February. There's so many receivers in this class. 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.799 It's easy to forget about him. I'll tell you what 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.600 I watched. I watched the pit cornerback last night against Clemson. 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.520 We're gonna we're gonna get to him, and then and 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.919 then Ross was he was part of that. But yeah, 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.239 I think to me with Ross, I mean I I 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.759 was super impressed with him and and I think the 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:26.239 reason I was impressed with him is that he could 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.480 play in the slot, he could play outside. The coach 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.879 is trying to get him the ball quickly and let 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.280 him go because I think he can make things happen 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.480 and he's gonna find ways to make plays. And I 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.520 think there was for a guy that's kind of thinly 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:43.160 built at six four two h five, he's got that ability, 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.200 but you don't see him getting knocked off his feet 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.560 very much carrying the football. So I mean I saw 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.640 him get his feet down in some tight spots he 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.560 could go hide to. You know, there was a if 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.719 you watch the Syracuse game, there was one, and I 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.120 mean it was amazing how high he got off the 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.799 ground to make this play. So I thought he caught 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.839 the ball really easily, and the concentration all that. And 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.520 again the twenty twenty season with the neck injury, that's 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.719 the thing you're gonna have to look at. You're gonna 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:10.919 have to say, well, are we are we comfortable taking 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.239 a guy that potentially something could happen again, or are 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.360 we going to ride this thing out and see what happens. 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.600 Does it hurt his stock? In the fact that he 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.360 ran a four to six four at his pro day 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.640 and had a thirty one and a half inch would 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.920 which would have been the next lowest in the combine numbers, 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.520 I just, you know, it's funny that's banged up. I 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.480 get it, but yeah, I just the thing about him is, man, 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.719 I kind of feel like though I'm not asking him 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.399 to be a first or second round player, but I mean, 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.240 when you start to talk about those third, fourth round guys, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.279 there's just too much. Like I said, I didn't you 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.200 can see it on film. I said, he doesn't show 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.400 great time speed, but there's some initial quickness off the snap. 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.200 So you know, that's that's kind of where I think 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.000 this guy is as a player that that you can 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.880 you you know, he's gonna get with somebody that's probably 0:36:57.880 --> 0:36:59.800 a pretty good team. They're going to figure out, you know, 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.719 like oh, you could throw the ball, he's reliable, he 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.880 could catch them on third down. Great hands, great hands. Yeah, 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.399 there's there's there's places for guys like that. I mean, 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.759 I'm not seeing the guy like a Keenan Allen, But 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.600 Keenan Allen didn't run great coming out of cal but 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:17.680 he catch He catches every damn ball. You know that? Yeah, exactly? 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.480 Which is that? I mean? Fourth round, Like this is 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.959 one of those situations where you're just like, at what point, 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.520 Like if he's still on the board, You're just like, 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.319 we're taking this guy is still here. The speed and 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.319 the medical is probably gonna put him in the fourth round. Yeah, 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.799 But but somebody would. We we're gonna be working on 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.359 the draft and someone's gonna take him, and we're gonna 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.120 say all the positive things that we just said. As 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.200 a player, he's a top one hundred guy with the 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:46.520 with the measurables and the medicals. I can't take him 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.839 in the top one hundred comfortably. But yeah, if he's 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.719 sitting there in the fourth round and you're you're coming 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.279 to one twenty nine or whatever the pick is, I 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.759 wouldn't be against that, especially if you hadn't drafted a 0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.239 receiver to that point in the early rounds. We don't 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.439 want a list of names. We know who they all are. 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.719 Nicholas wants to know, specifically, if Tyler Linderbaum were to 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.440 happen to be their first round pick, who are you 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.360 specifically targeting on Day two at guard and receiver? The 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:21.240 guys you would want not options, Well, you're probably gonna lose, 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.640 you could probably We talked about every one of those guards. Yeah, 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:26.719 I mean we went through every you're not going to 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.600 have in day two. You're probably not going to have 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.520 Green or Johnson to deal with unless you trade it up, 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.680 unless you trade which so, but knowing that, who like 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.040 if you're in the we said every every guy there 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.120 the you know me, I know, but who would you 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.719 be Like if you're in the room on Thursday night, 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.520 you're like, Okay, this is who I'm this is who 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.600 I'm saying, kind of like they did with Calvin Joseph 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.279 last year. I would probably take Ingramercarnard. Okay, that's kind 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.520 of what I was saying, was Canard. Yeah, because I 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.960 would take Ingramcarnard. That's the name. Those are the names 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.600 you would circle. Yeah, I would try and go trade up. 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.759 Let's say Shallier, I mean is another guy, Shaffer's another 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.200 guy mentioned. I mean those are all like those are 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.359 third round guys. But if I'm talking about like Ingraham 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.000 can those are second round guys on my board. If 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.480 you took linder Bomb first, it's say it solves your 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.879 center position, your guard spots still a glaring need at 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.120 that point I would want if you wanted to stay put, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.319 I would say Canard probably in that spot, he's perfect there. 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.759 If you wanted to look at as Zion Johnson, let's 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:30.000 say he falls to thirty five forty in that range, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.839 maybe package a fourth round pick, go try and get 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:34.480 up there. I don't know if it would take that 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.959 or it take a little bit more, I would maybe 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.919 go try and grab it and then your offensive line set, 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:40.319 then you can go figure it out the rest of 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.520 the way and go play. You're blocking for Dak Prescott, 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.239 you're blocking for Ezekiel Elliott, take it and run with it. 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.960 Go with get Lynn brom and go get Zion Johnson. 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.640 But it would take one of those guys to fall. 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.600 If not, I wait for fifty six and pick up 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.520 a canard. Part of me wonders if they were to 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.840 draft linder Bomb, if they just say, he'll help whoever 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.680 plays left guard and we can deal with that later. Sure, 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.600 mate said, here's here, kind of McGovern or, Go sign 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.920 a guy and be interested. Sitting on the street, Yeah, 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.160 would be interested to see really what happens in that 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.120 second round. If it's a defensive player, yeah, I would. 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.320 I would keep I'd keep that Sam Williams in mind, 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.920 I think he's I just there's and it's a hunch. 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.880 It's just a hunch, but we we always say that 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.160 it's always a hunch. But yeah, it's at least an 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.880 educated hunch. It's yeah, I mean I could see, I 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.440 could see I could see Dan Quinn saying, yeah, I 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.880 understand the guard or offensive player or whatever you have 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.560 to do in the first I could also see that, 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.799 you know, i'd also see Mike McCarthy. We had this discussion, yes, 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.279 Dar and radio. If Mike McCarthy takes over the play 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.120 calling saying the year, during the year, something happens and 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.520 he ends up, it's maybe this team is going to 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.919 have to win games because of defense. And I could 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.239 also see Mike McCarthy saying, Dan, who do you got 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.319 in mind? Who do you got in mind over there 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.560 that we can help us, you know, I mean it 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.400 might be about, you know, if you look at efficiency numbers, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.760 if you're nerdy like that, ninth best defense, first best defense, 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.680 it might turn into Mike McCarthy saying, listen, I've got 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:08.120 to find a way to win on defense. But also 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:10.080 I've got to kind of rein in and figure out 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.239 what I have to do with my quarterback. You know, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.360 that might be something that you know, I mean, we 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.680 talked about help Dak, but you know, it might turn 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.800 into Mike saying, listen, for if I could get good defense, 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:22.960 I can do what I have to do running the 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.680 football and things like that. Very quickly before we go 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.920 to break. Ugly base guy just wants to know what 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.040 your grade is on Daniel Filele, the massive Minnesota tackle. 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.959 I've got him the third round myself. He's my first 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.799 guy in the for the matter of fact, I've got 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.840 him as I look at this right now, pinning in 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.480 Raymond in the second and then he would be the 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.040 top guy in the third round with Lucas from Washington State, 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.439 petite Free from Ohio State, and then Tyler Smith would 0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.719 be my guys in that third round. I would put 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.840 him in the second round, late second though not anywhere 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:06.279 close to fifty six. But I like his demeanor, I 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.600 like his frame. I think he relies on his size 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.359 a little bit too much because he kind of gets 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.640 clunky with it. We've talked about that a little bit 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:16.439 on Tuesday. But he's got good balance along the way too, 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.600 So if he's set and he's not moving a ton, 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.920 I think he's a good player. But that's about second round, 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.520 late second round worthy for me. Even more quickly, I 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.759 meant to bring up Abraham Lucas from Washington State in 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.319 that conversation in the first segment. Yeah, he's a right 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.920 tackle for Washington State. And I think this is one 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.680 of these guys you need to kind of know six 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.600 six three fifteen. He tends to catch blocks and kind 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.759 of control his guy with his upper body streak, but 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.120 his footwork is really, really, really good. He can, you know, 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.160 he can be driven back a little bit, but not 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.920 to the point where you're like, oh gosh, he's getting 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.160 knocked back every damn time. But there's a really good 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.760 physical side to his run blocking, the way he gets 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:58.120 movement one on one. I would say he's a really 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.520 effective dry blocker, and there's some finish to his game. 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.520 I didn't feel like there was, you know, he wasn't 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.239 the best puller and stuff like that. And you're talking 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.719 about the clunkiness a little bit with maybe with some 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.760 other guys. But man, I'll tell you what you watch. 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:16.319 You watched him against USC and Jackson jacksonton sniff not 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.560 didn't even sniff. So if you like Jackson, don't watch 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.640 him against Abraham Lucas because he's gonna he's gonna make 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.600 you make you not want to like him. I watched 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.600 that USC game, and then I watched him against Thibadeau 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.080 and against Oregon too, because he I mean back twelve 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.880 as some edge rushers, and he stood up very well. Absolutely, 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.319 and he's experienced crazy experience because they throw the ball 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.359 a lot, so he had over twenty one hundred pass 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.880 snaps during his time at Washington. That's a lot of 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.680 bring that experience in the later rounds that you could 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.080 maybe get a great value for. I'm feeling a lot 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.120 better about the offensive line depth than I did, but 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.640 Brian does I did. But it takes you feel better, 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.920 you two. He makes me feel better, So I'm just 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.759 trying to pass it on as always. Thank you so 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.440 much for your questions. We've got tell me more when 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.399 we come back from this break. Football season is almost over, 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.680 and that means tax season is here. With it comes taxiety. 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.840 Filing taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner. 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.400 Don't let taxiety take over this tax season. 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Maybe they 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.719 know something about Charles Cross, Like again, is it a 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.239 medical thing? I don't. I don't think it's a medical thing. 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.560 He kicks puppies, Like you said, Yeah, maybe something's going 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.200 on there, but I don't think he does. That was 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.920 a joke, I know, while I was talking to the audience, 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.160 das if Dallas has a chance to draft him, man, 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.520 I'll tell you what, go for it. I would feel 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.880 great about that way too. And again, young athletic tackle 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.080 figure a guard out. That's I mean, that's fine. Uh, 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.439 this segment is designed to not talk about first round 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:39.560 draft picks. We're trying to inform you on the later 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:41.920 round guys. So that's what we're gonna do. This is 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.640 tell me more back by popular demand, and I this 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.359 is this is a name among like day three kind 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.560 of guys, guys that aren't big time prospects. I've seen 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.040 this dude's name more than anyone, and that would be 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.239 DeMarco Jackson, the linebacker out of Appalachian State. Please tell 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:01.440 me more so. He first my eye at the Senior 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.920 Bowl because he was It was at the end of 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.440 the day and I can't remember which coaching staff is, 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.040 either Jets or Lions. Can't remember which one. They wanted 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.040 to do one on ones, which makes me think it 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.719 was the Lions coaching staff. They wanted to do this 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.040 one on one big showcase at the end of the 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.960 practice to kind of put Mono Imano running back versus 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:27.080 Lionel Jason Garrett thing. Yeah, the Oklahoma Droid complete compete 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:32.279 and it was Damon or Damon Pierce that was the 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.239 Florida running order running back who was just tearing up 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.320 the field and mobile. And the first guy that raised 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:40.120 his hand, what even selected you do? You know how 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:42.359 they normally pull a guy out. He ran up there. 0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.279 Initially they didn't even say anything because I was on 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.319 the front row, would have heard it went up there 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.440 and it was DeMarco Jackson to take on Pierce, who 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:51.440 would had just a great practice. The competition side of 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.959 that was as entertaining as anything I saw all week long. 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.120 He came up and he was the hammer, not the nail. 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.600 Came in and just straight up flattened Pierce on first one, 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.959 took him to the sideline, on the second one, pushed 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:04.800 him out of bounds, and then the third one he 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.399 stopped him behind the line of scrimmage. And in Oklahoma drill, 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.520 that's hard to do. And that was the first time 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:13.040 I really saw him compete, and I really enjoyed watching it. 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.560 This guy's super aggressive, he's super tough, he's gonna fly around. 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.520 He's an outstanding finisher, and I think I think Kyle's 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.080 got him right. I think that what you watch him play, 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.720 he closes on the ball really really well. He covers 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.160 a lot of ground, you know when you when you 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:30.640 look at him. There was some There was a couple 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.480 of times. I think it was the Louisiana game I 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.040 was watching and they went for it on fourth down 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:37.319 and he made like both stop you know, I mean, 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.840 it was like it was met in the whole running 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.480 back going nowhere. He's got a real nose for a football. 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.800 He doesn't get fooled when it comes to make him plays. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.160 I love the way he attacks. I mean his quickness 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:51.839 forced his ball carriers into panic mode. There's times when 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.560 he's rushing in the quarterback you could see the quarterbacks 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:56.600 thinking about getting rid of the ball, and he's on 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.759 him so quick that he hasn't have time to do it. 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:01.920 So this guy is a super, super impressive player with 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:05.480 some athletic ability. Is the size that hurts his grade 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.520 or six one? He's two thirty three, so not really 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:11.799 nothing really naturally right there. Yeah, I mean, I don't 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.520 know why more people don't like this kid. That's I'm 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:16.839 because he k y'all are talking about him. I'm like, okay, 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.359 so draft him at eighty eight. No, he's he's very 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.080 well could I would be okay with that? Yeah, this guy, 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.560 I mean, like I said, you talk about somebody that 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:29.719 can actually run, cover, finish. This kid's you know, linebacker 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.640 at that at that heightened weight, I think you're getting 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.160 a pretty damn good player. I agree. I just I 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.760 trust Appalachian State and they put out gritty football players. 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:40.719 May just be the fact that he played in the 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:42.680 Sun Belt, and the fact that he didn't go up 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:46.680 against Applelachians, I didn't really play anybody. Usually some of 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:50.880 these like lower competition level guys like a Jalen Tulbert 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:54.399 from South Alabama, great type against Tennessee and against SEC 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.200 teams along the way, Marco Jackson didn't really get a 0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.200 chance to do. This kid could have played in the ACC. 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:01.239 I agree he could have played. You know, he could 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.319 have played it. He could have played it. A duke 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:07.920 or or somebody like that. Somebody like that very well 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:11.160 could have Okay, moving over to the Big twelve, although 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.160 I mean love that though I'm count me as a fan. 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:19.760 Gonna go find his tape. Eric Eric Izukama wide receiver 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.759 out of Texas Tech. You've probably seen his name linked 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:26.839 to the Cowboys. Tell me more slot guy. Texas Tech 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:30.080 extremely productive last couple of seasons. I mean, he really 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.960 kind of burst onto the scene in twenty twenty and 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.640 the COVID shortened dear because he was really all they 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:39.040 had in terms of a receiving threat. And I mean 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:40.920 that's a Texas Tech team that really struggled for a 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.799 little bit on offense. He was as crisp and clean 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:49.319 as anybody on that entire roster, good catch radius, goes 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:51.440 up and gets the fifty fifty balls, and for a 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.840 guy in the slot, that's kind of rare because normally, 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.560 if you're playing in the slot, or at least the 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.120 early days of the slot, you're you're more of a 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.880 separation guy. He gets that sometimes, but most of his 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.320 big wins were when he was going into traffic and 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.200 going up and making the grab and showing a little 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.520 physicality as well. I'll tell you what, Man Tech has 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:15.520 an offense where there guy's just wide ass open people 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:19.479 bust coverages all the time. The Texas Oklahoma state games 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:21.680 or a couple that I watched with this kid, and 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.920 I think Kyle's got him right. He's got super strong hands, 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.200 and you know there were times in the Oklahoma state 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.839 game where he was double covered down on the goal 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.759 line and just went up and like doz Bryant like 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.960 snatched a ball off the top of this guy's helmet 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.520 and then the guys were swiping at it and he 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.120 just no, I'm not gonna let you have this one. 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:44.960 But I mean, for I mean sixwenties two oh nine, 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.160 he ran a ton of routes where he had space though. 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.160 I mean, like you say, there's those crossing routes and 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.640 things like that. But he's like a physical ball carrier too, 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.080 like when the balls in his hands, like he's trying 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:58.799 to run over people on the sidelines and stuff like that. 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.759 When you got you know, and Kyle, You're absolutely right, 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.839 Like slot receivers have changed so much it's ironic. We're 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.360 talking about tech where Welker went, but that ain't a 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:12.080 slot receiver anymore. Now. This guy he's six To quote Brian, 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.040 I'm gonna do Brian speak, he's six o one seven, 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:18.960 so he's he's a tall six one and two ten 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.719 as well, So like this ain't a little guy arms. Yeah, yeah, 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.600 he's got the wingspan, he's got that, that jumping ability. 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.200 I mean he had a good vertical, good broad jump 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.399 at the combine. Didn't run the forty I'm interested to see. 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.359 I'm trying to find his forty yard dash. I don't 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.040 have it in front of me. I want to see 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:41.080 what it is. Uh, Dane Brugler, of course, shameless plug 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.200 for the beast. It is out by the way. I 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:46.040 didn't know that worth the your investment. Dane's got him 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.319 listed at a four five four. Okay, good enough, that's 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:57.480 what runs, you know, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, okay, So what's 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.160 your what's your grade on this guy? Got him in 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.040 the fourth myself? Yeah, I'm probably right around there. The 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.840 forty makes me want to push him a little higher, honestly, 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.680 but that's change it yet again. I thought it would 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:13.000 be slower. Ye, Brian, you alluded to this when we 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.600 were talking about Justin Ross. I would like to know 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.600 more about Demari Mathis the cornerback out of pit Hail 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.520 to pit, hail to pit, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah, 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.920 you know what, I'll tell you what. I was surprised 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.200 I didn't get on this guy earlier. I know there's 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.200 some people that have him, had him a little bit higher, 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.520 and I got the name a little bit late. He'll 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.040 flip sides as a corner, and I thought at first 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.239 he was just a boundary guy, which would play into 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.080 the short side of the field, but he ended up 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.400 playing on both ends, so that kind of took that 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:47.080 out of place. He'll walk down in the slot sometimes too. 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.240 He'll play square and press man and then the snap 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.920 he'll turn and bail. And so you were like the 0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:56.239 receiver broke off the route a couple of times, and 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:58.480 he was still gaining ground like he was trying to 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:02.200 get somewhere in his zone. But when he did line 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.000 up on a receiver and play man, he was able 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.200 to stay with this guy. This guy runs really, really well. 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:08.520 He doesn't feel like he struggles at all to run 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.840 with receivers. He's super physical in the way he plays. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:15.359 He's always battling the receiver even after the play. He's 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.640 one of those chippy guys. I thought he was a 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.600 good tackler. I thought I thought he wasn't afraid to 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.080 play off the block and get in on that tackle. 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.440 He'll wrap up in space or he'll trip his guy up. 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.600 I wouldn't say there's much of a back pedal there 0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.759 for him because of the way that they're asked to 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:34.560 play their technique. But the feet look quick enough. The 0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:37.160 time speed is excellent at four to four one, and 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.319 I really appreciate how he competes. Would you put him 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:42.040 in the slot at the next level. I think he 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:45.160 could play there because I like how I like how 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.160 physically is and when you play the slot, you have 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.640 to be able to go two ways. You can't just 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.320 you can't use the boundary, you can't use the sidelines. 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.480 You have to be able to cover all over the 0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:59.360 field five eleven, one ninety six. With that speed the quickness, 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.760 I think he could play inside and jam up people 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.080 and run with him. He did so many things on 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.719 the back end of that coverage. I mean he was 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.560 playing that wide corner, he played in the slot a 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.719 little bit, and then a lot of people even have 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.440 him tab that's maybe moving the safety. They're playing a 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:17.160 little bit of safety on the back end because he 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.600 has the athleticism to go over the top and to 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.840 be a center field five ninety six. Ye. Yeah, I 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:26.760 mean he could play anywhere pretty much from a secondary standpoint, 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.800 provide you a couple of options there. I see you again, 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.080 shouting out mister Brugler got him as a third round grade. Yeah, 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:34.719 I do too. And it's funny. I get a really 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:39.359 good group of corners. Bryant from Cincinnati, McCullum from sam Houston, Yeah, 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.560 Maths is in there, and then uh and then Woolen 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:47.080 from from San Antonio, the Freak. I feel like because 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.200 of what they did last year with Nashan Wright and 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:54.680 um Kelvin Joseph. Outside of like the big, big guys 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:56.879 I have in five eleven's not on the table. Well, 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.440 that's a wonderful point too, I have. I haven't paid 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:03.440 a ton of attention to cornerback because it's hard to 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:05.600 imagine it being a big, big pick for this team. 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:09.160 Good point. But to your point, Yeah, five eleven with 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:14.239 what thirty thirty and three quarters inch arms? Yeah maybe 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.560 not maybe not for this not for this team specifically. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.240 He'll be a starter within a couple of years. Though. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:24.480 Another name I've heard a lot about Nick Benito, the 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:29.200 edge rusher at Oklahoma. Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. Wow, we're doing 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.520 this without Jeff. It feels wrong. It feels wrong without 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:33.640 that call yet, Any thoughts on him? Right? Uh? Yeah, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:37.000 I mean he was a good edge rusher, very inconsistent 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:40.440 throughout his time at Oklahoma, and I really looked at 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.920 him while you were watching Federian mathis or Not Federian 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:48.160 mathis Perry On Winfrey. Whenever you're watching that Oklahoma tape, 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:49.720 you kind of look over to the side and you're like, 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:52.680 who's this number eleven? That's that's making a play. But 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:54.280 then you would watch him on the next one, he'd 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.000 get completely washed out I mean, he was a versatile player. 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.520 He has the traits six foot three, two hundred and 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:01.680 forty five pounds and maybe a little bit over that. 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.080 I think he's quick enough, he's got a little bit 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.640 of bind to him, but strength wise, I don't know 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.920 if he's necessarily there yet, and that's one of the 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:13.919 reasons why he kind of gets negated on a couple 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:15.920 of times off the ball. I have him as an 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.360 early third round grade, but nothing really more than that. Yeah, 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:20.880 I have him on the back end of the third 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.960 and there's like the guys who mentioned Pascal from Kentucky. 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.760 I had better. I've got to figure out what's going 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.960 on with these Penn State end and our South Carolina 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:32.600 end and all that. I mean, that's kind of a 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.520 kind of a muddy position for me right now. But 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:39.120 I will say this. People tweet at me all the time. 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.640 They're mock drafts. They have this guy in the second round. 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:49.120 Every single top that's pff because it's we I mean, 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.920 I've got like seven guys ahead of him. He seems 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:55.320 very well liked by certain parts of the draft community. Yeah, 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:57.440 I mean everybody wants to put him at that pick 0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:00.840 for Dallas at fifty six and I wouldn't put him 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:04.640 there myself. And I love the way though he's super active, 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.479 I think he could attack the pocket. He I felt 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.479 like he does have a little bin to his game. 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.200 He could get off quickly with the first step and 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.600 get underneath the blocker to make a make the play. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.600 But you know, I think that there's times where, like 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:20.840 I say, the best thing he does is chase the ball. 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.200 Everything else you're kind of like going, huh okay, you 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.880 know if you want to. You know, he stands up 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.560 as a defensive end. He stands up as a linebacker. 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:31.560 You know, he worked out at the line at the 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:35.160 combine as a linebacker. So people obviously feel like that 0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:39.120 that maybe was where he's at. But I felt like, 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:41.000 if you're gonna play this guy in, there's gonna be 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:45.160 probably five six guys better for me. So I've ad 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:47.480 him in the back end of the third. And again, 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:49.640 you folks at mock draft him every time. To me 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:51.720 at the second, I don't make a comment about it, 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.040 but I see it every damn time I see it. 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.920 I disagree with it. Keep sending us your mock drafts. 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:00.840 We love it well, I mean I loved the mock trap. 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.040 But it's just there's some there's sometimes I would have 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:07.360 to comment about it every single time. Yeah, he's one 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.320 of those guys that wins with speed, and that's about it. 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.320 About four five forty. I mean, he's got been But 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.600 if you're asking him to over muscle or out muscle 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:18.439 a guy at the line of scrimmage, it's not gonna happen. 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.280 Gonna wrap this up with a linebacker out of Penn 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:26.040 State worked pretty well last year, Brandon Smith tell me more, 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:31.920 very volatile, aggressive athletic, and all of those things kind 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:33.560 of combined to put him a little out of control 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.840 at times on tape. He's in the wrong spot a 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:39.080 couple different times. But he's long, he's speedy. He can 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:42.240 fit well in a subpackle sub package, maybe a nickel roll. 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:47.320 I think his best thing is covering, maybe not necessarily 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:49.840 running down a hill's the best way, you know. I 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:53.800 think there's things where he's you know, there's a couple 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.320 of things with him as a tackler. He's either going 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.439 to make the tackle or the ball cares just gonna 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:01.600 bounce off him for extra yard. There's no I mean, 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:05.960 there's no great finish and I do respect the way 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.800 he throws his body around, but he's super reckless the 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.760 way he plays, and that's a concern. And I wouldn't 1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:15.880 say his instincts so the absolute best. I kind of 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:18.880 feel like there are things that he misses when the ball, 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.160 you know, when that when the ball goes a direction, 1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:24.480 he's still kind of like trying to find it. Recognition, recognition. 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:27.000 I don't think it's all that great. I do think 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.720 there's his technique could be all over the place, and 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.480 he always doesn't get off the blocks. So but man, 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.880 he's six four, he's two fifty, and you know, I mean, 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:38.600 you're gonna probably there's somebody's gonna find a spot for him. 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.200 But there's a lot of things that you would say, Man, 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:44.320 I'm not really overly excited about him as a player. 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:46.440 Do you think he shies away from contact too much 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:49.280 as as a linebacker? No, I mean, I like I said, 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:52.080 I thought he was reckless. I mean, he'll throw his 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.640 body in there, and but I don't know if he's 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:57.120 going to make the tackle because I think foundational, he said, 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.480 I mean, it's like he's not wrapping up. He's guys 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.920 are bound off him. He's bouncing off ball carriers. I mean, 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:05.800 there's there's there's things that are gonna be like people 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:07.280 are gonna say they're gonna fall in love with the 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:09.680 measurables on this kid, but I don't know if they're 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.360 going to get the best instincts and the best finish 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:15.080 out of this kid. Gotta say you sold me a 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.800 lot harder on DeMarco Jackson, like bringing him on my team. 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:22.000 I have Brandon Smith higher because of the trades and 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:24.400 because of some of the speed that he has. However, 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:28.520 I would probably be more inclined to take a DeMarco 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:30.720 Jackson at eighty eight than I would take like a 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:34.280 Brandon Smith at fifty six. Fair enough, That'll do it 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:36.800 for another edition of Tell Me More, Guys. We are 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:40.919 We're getting there, man. We are creeping toward the NFL Draft. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:43.600 It is three from today. It's a dead on sprint 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:47.840 right now. Yeah, well, fair were And it feels like 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:50.280 it's just it's the forty yard dash. It all at 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:53.720 once feels like it's right around the corner and like 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:55.800 it'll never get here. You know, you're gonna wake up 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:57.360 one day and it's gonna be the draft, and you're 1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:59.520 gonna know you're gonna have to work eighteen straight out. 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:02.480 We wear ties first day, but I won't be with you. 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.120 Oh that's right, you will be. I'll where with you, 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:07.080 all right. Appreciate first day, first day where you're tied. 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:09.920 Then where your drafts draft show, I forget. We will. 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:11.800 We will get all of our ducks in a row 1:03:11.960 --> 1:03:14.680 as we get closer. This has been the draft show 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:17.920 for Kyle and Brian. I'm Dave. We'll be with you 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:20.840 all next week. Thanks for listening. This has been a 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:24.480 production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:25.240 Football Club.