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Speaker 3: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks

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Speaker 3: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, May eighteenth, and

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Speaker 3: we're here to recap the final two episodes of the

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Speaker 3: hit documentary series The Last Dance. I'm Jay Skeevesen joining

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Speaker 3: us thanks to the power of technology, tas Millons.

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Speaker 4: Ah, what are we gonna do now?

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Speaker 3: We got the Bearded one, Trey Kirby. Hey a yo oh,

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Speaker 3: the international man of mystery taking it to the Max,

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Speaker 3: Lee Ellis, friend Leary, and last but not least making

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Speaker 3: the magic happen. It's JD. Hello, there he is and

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Speaker 3: here we are. Well who who count it up?

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Speaker 1: Me?

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Speaker 3: Task, Trey, Lee and JD. That's five guys who wants

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Speaker 3: to go deliver a pizza boy. Oh yeah, we're breaking

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Speaker 3: down the last two episodes here, episode nine and ten

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Speaker 3: of the Last Dance. Well, we'll tackle this a little differently.

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Speaker 3: We're just gonna sort of lump those two episodes together

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Speaker 3: and then we can wrap up our final thoughts on

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Speaker 3: the documentary series as a whole a little bit later on.

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Speaker 3: But tak, let's start with you. It was the biggest

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Speaker 3: takeaway from the final two episodes of this ten parter.

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Speaker 4: Listen. I was gonna go with the black Jesus comment

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Speaker 4: from Reggie Miller calling MJ black Jesus. Why do you

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Speaker 4: have to qualify it? Why can't he just be Jesus?

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Speaker 4: He is the all encompassing He is the savior. He

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Speaker 4: is the best basketball player in the world. And if

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Speaker 4: you are any sort of casual basketball fan didn't know

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Speaker 4: MJ's story calling into this documentary, you definitely think he's Jesus.

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Speaker 4: I do want to get to a little bit of

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Speaker 4: that that Pacer series in a second, but you brought

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Speaker 4: up the five guys delivering a pizza skeets. Maybe that

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Speaker 4: whole ordeal is the biggest thing that I took away

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Speaker 4: from it, MJ stating declaratively, they delivered the pizza, five

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Speaker 4: of them, and no one else touched the pizza. Not

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Speaker 4: a single one of my friends had a bite of pizza.

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Speaker 4: Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever been

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Speaker 4: hanging with friends and you ate a whole pizza and

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Speaker 4: no one even sniffed another slice? I mean, that's I

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Speaker 4: don't want to get into conspiracy theories, but that part

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Speaker 4: of it, that's weird stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, isn't the actual story that MJ spit on the

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Speaker 3: pizza so none of the other guys in the room

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Speaker 3: could have a bite of the pizza. I'm not even kidding.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the actual part of that.

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Speaker 4: Story, because he was worried the other guys would get.

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Speaker 3: No because he was like, I want the whole pizza.

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Speaker 3: Screw you guys. But that's all dead serious.

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Speaker 4: That's also another weird part. Why would you order one pizza? Whoever?

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Speaker 4: Who orders one pizza?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they couldn't get anything else. Everything else was closed,

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Speaker 4: Only had one pizza left, just one.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't believe the poison pizza story

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Speaker 6: very much. But I'll tell you I was dying laughing

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Speaker 6: when there's that shot at Jordan. He's just like, I

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Speaker 6: But I love it. I love that they had, you know,

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Speaker 6: twenty three years to come up with the perfect story,

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Speaker 6: and they settled on five guys delivering a pizza and

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what I don't get about the whole thing

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Speaker 5: there is, first off, how come five guys are going there,

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Speaker 5: so they must have known it was for Jordan, Like

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Speaker 5: what surely is one of the other guys would have

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Speaker 5: ordered it? And then surely one of the other guys said,

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Speaker 5: Great, thanks, Like whenever does someone just go all right, guys,

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Speaker 5: And I think Tim Graber was saying like that was

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Speaker 4: But it's also it makes it more conspicuous if five

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Speaker 4: get the guy sick. I don't think exactly.

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Speaker 4: Bring attention to the five guys delivering that, but I

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Speaker 4: do They did used to deliver to the doors of

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Speaker 3: So Trey, you're skeptical that that pizza Gate actually ever happened, Well,

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Speaker 3: what do you think, How do you think it really

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what would be my guess. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 6: You know, well, else could you be doing in that

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, Yeah. There's a lot of questions left unanswered

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Speaker 3: with Pizzagate, no doubt, Like you guys are bringing them up.

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Speaker 3: Why the five guys, I mean, what was the name

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Speaker 3: make him sick, but for him not to see it,

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Speaker 3: none of these guys, these five guys, maybe there's even

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Speaker 3: that game five. And that I love that one powerful

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Speaker 6: It was line from Jerry Sloan at the end, and

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Speaker 4: And I had forgotten about how that MJ three got

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Speaker 6: You can't leave that dude open.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I just had forgotten how the the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a lot of basketball in these last

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Speaker 3: two episodes. JD. I'm sure you were not a fan

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Speaker 1: I found myself drifting away at points of it, but

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It was it was exciting, but it

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Speaker 3: Lee, I'm sure you're the exact opposite, just loving seeing

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Speaker 5: I guess, well, the biggest takeaway is, you know, Indiana

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Speaker 5: leads to a three pointer by Jordan. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: a huge, huge moment there. So there was all those

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Speaker 5: incredible because I actually forgot I thought that was Reggie

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Speaker 5: four where he hit that big three and then and

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Speaker 5: the Larry Bird reaction I thought was just beautiful. And

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Speaker 5: you know, like the greats know that even though Reggie

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Speaker 5: have hit a shot still to win that game.

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Speaker 3: And Jordan almost did you know that thing? Oh that

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Speaker 3: thing was around the room. That's a real game ball

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Speaker 3: therea that's a real Dunny bowl.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, I sort of I forgot that

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Speaker 5: that was Game four and I mean, just how close

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Speaker 5: and you know the Bulls obviously close it out. But

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Speaker 5: I mean those games, so many of those games were tight,

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Speaker 4: That's right, trouble with some bigs. But when you double

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Speaker 3: you just compizza, Yeah exactly. You just can hear him saying, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my big takeaway from these two episodes, these last

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of money.

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Speaker 5: The rockets were thrown out them, I know I understand that,

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Speaker 6: the hardest series they ever played. So I love to

435
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,200
Speaker 6: see an actual you know, we saw chunks of most

436
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,159
Speaker 6: of the seven Games, I would say, so that was

437
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 6: that thought. That was really fun, And you know, I'm

438
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 6: gonna love an episode, no doubt where Reggie Miller and

439
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 6: Carl Malone are just taking loss after loss after loss.

440
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 6: That was tremendous. I mean, I can remember how upset

441
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 6: I was when Carl Malone got the ninety seven MVP.

442
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 6: I've hated the Jazz since that day. I hated Brian

443
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 6: Russell because he had a shaved head and he thought

444
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 6: he could guard Michael Jordan, you know, and now to that,

445
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 6: to this day, it colors the way I look at

446
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 6: Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell. Right, I'm like, oh, man,

447
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 6: that Brian Russell. Who does he think he is to

448
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 6: pretend like he's Michael Jordan. I guess I gotta hate

449
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 6: the Jazz for the rest of my life. But I

450
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 6: have same with the Pacers. So yeah, this was a

451
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 6: huge episode for me. And I was even happy to

452
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 6: see people make the turn on Jerry Reinsdorf because once

453
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 6: he said that about the market value is really putting

454
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 6: into words what everybody has felt about Jerry Reinsdorf in

455
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 6: Chicago forever. That he cheaped out. That's why Horace Grant

456
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 6: left the Bulls. He was obviously cheap with Scottie Pippen,

457
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 6: and then it really ended the dynasty, not just because

458
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 6: Jerry Krouse wanted to rebuild, but Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to

459
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 6: rebuild too, because to him, only Michael Jordan was worth

460
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 6: over thirty million dollars. You know, I'm not gonna pay

461
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 6: Scotty Pippen ten million dollars because maybe he won't be

462
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 6: worth that at the end of his contract. But those

463
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 6: things pay off, right. Kobe Bryant got a huge contract

464
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 6: that he wasn't worth, and suddenly that's a place that

465
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 6: superstars want to go because they take care of superstars.

466
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 6: That didn't happen with the Bulls. We've seen how that

467
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 6: has played out. I thought it was a hilarious ending,

468
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 6: and the Bulls started to rebuild, and even Laura said,

469
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 6: and they're still rebuilding. That was like, oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah.

470
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 6: Maybe you run into a scenario in you know, the

471
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 6: two thousand and two thousand and one season, you're paying

472
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 6: Ron Harper a lot more than you want and your

473
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 6: team is terrible. Guess what your team was terrible in

474
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 6: two thousand and one. Anyways, wouldn't have been fun to

475
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 6: at least have a chance at a seventh title. But

476
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 6: that's how it was.

477
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Speaker 3: With the Jerry's yeah you sound, yeah, you sound a

478
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 3: little vindicated that it wasn't just Jerry Krouse catching bullets here,

479
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: Reinsdorff got some, especially in these last two episodes.

480
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 6: It sounds like absolutely. I remember when the Chicago White

481
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 6: Sox won their title in two thousand and five, he

482
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 6: said that meant more to him than six Bulls titles

483
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 6: in the nineties. Nobody understood what that could possibly have meant. Like,

484
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 6: the Bulls put you on the map. Man, I know

485
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 6: you're a baseball guy, but the Bulls put you on

486
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 6: the map. So yeah, that really flashed me back to

487
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 6: freshman year of high school.

488
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody delivered that guy a pizza until.

489
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 6: The five of us show up. Hey, Jerry, we got

490
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 6: something for you.

491
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Speaker 3: One thing we got in episode nine, I think it

492
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 3: was episode nine. I know they sort of blend together,

493
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: and we're doing that here on this one. But Steve

494
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: Kerr's story, right, because we've gotten a lot of the

495
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: stories from some of these other you know, instrumental players

496
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: in the six Championships, Pip and of course and Rodman

497
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: and Philip Jackson. Kerr got his moment here in this

498
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: and you know as John Paxson two point zero. And

499
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Speaker 3: I thought this was really well done. I don't know

500
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: how many people know sort of Steve Kerr's story and

501
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: the assassination of his father. I thought it was fascinating that,

502
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, the director Jason here just straight up asked him,

503
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: did you ever discuss your father's asking Steve Kerr, you know,

504
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: whether he had done that with MJ and the way

505
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 3: his father was killed too. And I guess the answer

506
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: was no, and it was probably just going to be

507
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: too emotional and too powerful for both of them to

508
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: ever approach that. But I don't know what you think

509
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: of that, Lee. This the Steve Kerr little side story

510
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 3: that we got here.

511
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think because of how it sort

512
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 5: of encompassed the whole Steve Kerr story with his relationship

513
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 5: there with Michael, the fact that you know, they didn't

514
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 5: sort of get along, but they built things up over

515
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 5: time and then Jordan trusted him with the last shot.

516
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 5: I think showing a little bit more about Steve Kurr's

517
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 5: life was was relevant. They're pretty emotional, and you know,

518
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 5: Steve's mum also spoke on it, you know, and so

519
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 5: it was obviously pretty tough for them to all talk

520
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 5: about and relive that moment. But yeah, I thought it

521
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 5: was It was good because again, Steve Kerr, you know,

522
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 5: he was not exactly a walk on anywhere. He struggled

523
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 5: to get recruited out of college, he struggled with the girls,

524
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 5: as he mentioned there as well.

525
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 7: But he scrapped and fought for He.

526
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 6: Had beautiful blue eyes, sandy blonde hair.

527
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I don't believe it at all. You're right,

528
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 5: he's an athlete as well. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah,

529
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 5: so he did all right for himself. But no, I

530
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 5: just think, you know, and then and then seeing of

531
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: course Jordan trusting him to take that huge, huge shot

532
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: in game six of the ninety seven finals, where Steve Kerr,

533
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 5: you know, is like yep, yep, I'm ready, I'm ready,

534
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 5: and the.

535
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 3: Shot was so funny. Yeah, and Kurr is talking about

536
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: them on the bench like Jordan's trying to be all sly,

537
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: like yeah, talking out the side of his mouth over

538
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: his ginerad cup and like he's like, I'll be ready, man.

539
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 5: I mean that that is that is a very important shot,

540
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 5: I think because Jordan knows the camera is there exactly

541
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 5: and and and Steve steps up and drains it and

542
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 5: you know, so it was.

543
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: It was a good story.

544
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 5: And again it just shows how Steve Kerr really embraced

545
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 5: his role on that team and understood what was expected

546
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 5: of him because he had a terrible game. I think

547
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: it was in game where was it now, I can't remember.

548
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: It might have even been that game where he couldn't

549
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 5: he couldn't make a shot. But anyway, in the crunch

550
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: time when he was trusted by Michael, and he'd earned

551
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 5: that trust over years because they had such a tense

552
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 5: relationship at the start, Michael trusted and he goes out

553
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 5: there and knocks it in and I think that, you know,

554
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 5: I used Steve Kerr as an example a lot that

555
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 5: a lot of guys should aim to be like Steve

556
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: Kerr in the NBA, you know, because you can be

557
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 5: of very successful player if you embrace that role and

558
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: play it to the best of your ability, not everyone

559
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: can be Lebron or Michael, but a lot more people

560
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 5: could be closer to someone like a Steve Kerr. And

561
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 5: you know, I thought, as always, Steve Kerr speaks very

562
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 5: very well. You know, he's a very classy individual, speaks well,

563
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 5: and you know he's an intelligent goal depreciating yeah of course, yeah, yeah,

564
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 5: and it doesn't try to take too much credit, but

565
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: he also understands that, you know, he can deliver in

566
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 5: those big moments too.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

568
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 6: I was so happy that they showed his speech from

569
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 6: the Championship rally because I'm watching this and I mean

570
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 6: they've showed that clip so many times of him saying

571
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 6: I'll be ready, I'll be ready. I'm thinking, you got

572
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 6: to show the Championship rally. Are they going to show this?

573
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 6: And yeah they did, And what a great line to

574
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 6: actually be memorable at a Championship rally and to get

575
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 6: placed ahead of Jordan there. I thought that was awesome.

576
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

577
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 7: Did you ever go to those rallies trade No, I was.

578
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 6: I was too young to have Sally Kirby driving down

579
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 6: there and battling through the millions of people down in.

580
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Speaker 3: Grand Park unfortunately, right, Yeah, those looked incredible. Look wild.

581
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: I love some of the never before seen footage we

582
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: had in these last two episodes. One someone already slipped

583
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: it in there. The exchange between Larry Bird and Michael Jordan,

584
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: any exchange between the star players, like while they were

585
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: doing their press conference, like swapovers, was so cool and

586
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: so unique and stuff I've never seen before. Maybe you

587
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: I think I'm correct in that. I think that's the

588
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: actual footage from them following around the ninety eight Bulls.

589
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: I loved Carl Malone going on the bus to congratulate

590
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: the bulls. That was pretty cool to see the Rodman

591
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: sneaking out of the arena for you know, to not

592
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: have to address the media after he missed practice to

593
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: go on WC, you know, WCW Nitro with the whole

594
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: like that whole thing was amazing. Never seen any of

595
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: that before. And then the final one is post title

596
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: the hotel scene where mj like getting in the hotel

597
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: is pretty amazing, like that footage, and then of course

598
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: him in the hotel room playing the piano extremely poorly.

599
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: I bet your task is already better at the piano

600
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: than but all these guys just like hanging out like yeah,

601
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: you're tickling the ivory man.

602
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: You killing it.

603
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: Oh, that's like all that before never before seen stuff.

604
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: I just I was loving it. I loved all this stuff.

605
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very funny because there's that practice scene earlier

606
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 6: in the episode where Jordan's like, yeah, I woke up

607
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 6: this morning, had a few beers, had a cigar, played

608
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 6: the piano, came to practice and You're like.

609
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: What are you talking about.

610
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 6: This guy can play piano too, And then they showed

611
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 6: him within a championship and he's just a kid smashing

612
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 6: his hands a piano.

613
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: That that Dennis Rodman stuff though, I mean that is

614
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: just mind boggling real. The fact that he had an

615
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: unexcused absence went wrestling in the middle of the finals.

616
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 5: I mean, there is no way that would happen today.

617
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 5: There is just no way in the world. I can

618
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 5: see even the most craziest guy like a JR. Smith,

619
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 5: I can't see anyone just saying in the middle of

620
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 5: the finals, I'm just going to go wrestling. I'm not

621
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: telling anybody. And everyone's kind of okay with it in

622
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 5: the end, you know, like because he turned up and

623
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 5: had a great game in Game.

624
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 7: Four, But just the fact that he did it is unbelova.

625
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: Hule Cogan's making jokes about it too on the teleca saying,

626
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 5: you don't have to go to practice or whatever. I mean,

627
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 5: I remember it and I know what happened, but watching it,

628
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: I'm just like, imagine trying to put that into this

629
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 5: into context today, you know, imagine you know, like like

630
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 5: a Klay Thompson was all of a sudden just out

631
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: in the middle of the finals, you know, doing something

632
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 5: crazy like that. It just it's just staggering to think

633
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: that Rodman was okay, thought that would be okay, and

634
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 5: that no one would really care about it.

635
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 6: Well, did they care about it? They're breaking practice the

636
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 6: next day seeing one, two three rod Zilla and did

637
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 6: they care at all?

638
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: And again and again Rodman went out and played an

639
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 5: incredible game in Game four. So and he said that

640
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: going back to the last the last episode where he

641
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 5: was in vague and he came up and when he

642
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: turns up, he's performing, So he's ready. So they've sort

643
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: of seen it before from him that when he's on

644
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: the court, he performs. It just just the fact that

645
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: he apparently didn't tell anybody he was just off and

646
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: he just went up. They just turned on the TV

647
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: and there he was throwing a whacking diamond who was

648
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: a diamond Dallas Page.

649
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shut yeah, it's like Phil Jackson definitely. Yeah,

650
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: he says, no, it wasn't. We didn't say he could go,

651
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: but he just did it. But then he's also like, no,

652
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: you the media, you're making a big deal of it.

653
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 6: We don't care.

654
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: He'll be here for game four. I mean, we honestly don't.

655
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: Like it's not like he's maybe a little upset because

656
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: he's like, I guess you're putting you know, the individual

657
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: before the team a little bit. But then again you

658
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: show up and fall out. Now that was between games

659
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: three and four, right, yes, yes, yeah, it is funny

660
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: because that's after the blowout game, right yeah yeah yeah.

661
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's just funny to think, like

662
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: if it's not a blowout or I don't know, even

663
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: if the Bulls lose that game like this, I've still

664
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: go and do that.

665
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

666
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: Well, I doubt he would have done it if they're

667
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: down to one in the series myself, But but I

668
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 5: sort of I'm not convincingly like saying that I doubt

669
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: he would do it. He may still, but I guess

670
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 5: when they're up then two one forty two points, he's like,

671
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 5: we're going to win this series anyway. But again, once

672
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 5: he goes out and performs, that story just goes away

673
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: kind of because it's like, well, it's really hard to

674
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 5: criticize him when when he shows up. I mean, he

675
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: was coming off the bench anyway in that series, not

676
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 5: that that, you know. I mean he's still still still

677
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 5: playing big minutes and had a big role, but you know,

678
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 5: he performed, so I guess no one really could say

679
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: anything to him.

680
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's also taking the lead of their best player,

681
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: who also tended to hope play go ahead, Atlantic City

682
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: and go So that's true. They were like minded in

683
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: that and there and and Phil Jackson was always suggesting

684
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: encouraging guys to go hang out with Dennis Roban. Steve

685
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: ker told the story about that where him and Judd

686
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: Bushler when in UH had a huge Nate together. They

687
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: got absolutely obliterated once upon a time, and because Phil

688
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: Jackson thought, hey, we're losing Dennis, he's drifting from the

689
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: group where I'm quoting Steve KERR here and I need

690
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: you guys to go out with him tonight to keep

691
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: him company, So Steve Kerr said, being the selfless teammates

692
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: that Judd and I are, we obliged. We went to

693
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: Philadelphia after a game to Atlantic City on a bus

694
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: with a huge painting of Howard Stern on the side,

695
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: Dennis and fifteen of his friends. We were down there

696
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: all night and came back just in time for practice

697
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: the next day. And yeah, that that's somehow real. Dennis

698
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: Rodman back in and yeah, they definitely showed that he

699
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: had a good game in Game four. I don't know

700
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: it's his stat line, but seemed like he got a

701
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: lot of rebounds.

702
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 7: Six points, fourteen rebounds.

703
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a robin game, yep, exactly, That's

704
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: right on par with what he would do in a final, sorry,

705
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: in any game. Really, I thought from that that whole final,

706
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: you know, championship run against the Jazz, the second one,

707
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: I remembered that Pip was hurt, right, Like, I like,

708
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: going back to the moment, knew that was a thing

709
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: obviously there dressing it on the broadcast and all that,

710
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: But I the way they told that story in this

711
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: doc you know, was so well done. I thought, like

712
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: just the footage of really seeing Pip not being able

713
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: to move. I mean he had like a pinched nerve

714
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: or pinched back like you can just see like anytime

715
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: he landed, and he tweaked it right off that dunk

716
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: off the first play of that game. It just makes

717
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: that crazy Game six even even more impressive what Jordan

718
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: did when you pair it with, oh yeah, this other

719
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: one of the greatest players of all time. I mean

720
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: you could barely be out there. He's out there and

721
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: he's sucking it up, but you're gonna have to do everything. Man.

722
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: Did you remember just how tweaked and messed up that

723
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: back was Trey of Pippins.

724
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I've watched Game six quite a few times,

725
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 6: so you know you see him on that very first play.

726
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 6: He's wincing, and he's into the locker room and he's back,

727
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 6: and then he's back to the locker room. I didn't

728
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 6: remember Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman slapping each other's butts.

729
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 6: Oh I remember then, you know, tussling quite a few

730
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 6: times and falling down the court, But I didn't remember

731
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 6: the butt slaps. But I was happy to see that.

732
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, you heard in postgame Jordan's like, yeah, I

733
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 6: was ready to play forty eight minutes. Didn't expect it

734
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 6: to be without Scottie Pippin, but still I was ready

735
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 6: to do it. And I remember being just as impressed

736
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 6: hearing him say it last night as I was when

737
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 6: it happened back in the day.

738
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: It was funny a couple of times, you know, just

739
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 5: like he could barely even get his feet off the ground.

740
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 7: Oh, he was sliding sort of up.

741
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: There, but he came down like he was like shuffling, yeah.

742
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, shuffling.

743
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

744
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 5: But there were a couple of times as well where

745
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: he had the mismatch on hornseec or Stockton and he

746
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: just sort of got the ball and flicked it in.

747
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: And I mean those were huge points. Again in the

748
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: context of the score of the game, those are pretty incredible.

749
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 5: And even just the way they said they basically had

750
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 5: to give him almost five minute intervals of pain relief

751
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 5: so they could get him out there to play. I mean,

752
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 5: that's pretty dangerous really when you think that what a

753
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: guy's dealing with there with a back injury. But you know,

754
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: in that moment, because I wonder if there was a

755
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: Game seven, if he would have even been able to

756
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: play in that, you know, that's that's that's another sort

757
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: of what if. But obviously that didn't need it. But yeah,

758
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 5: like when you see a guy just shuffling like that,

759
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, he must be just excruciating discomfort.

760
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, tell you said it there the task.

761
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: He must have been loving those dinkers and dumpers. He's

762
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: still throwing up there with the tweak back because he

763
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 3: did have a couple of little hook shots in there.

764
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's exactly what they were. And I guess

765
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: that's why they doubled him at the end of the

766
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: flu game the year before in ninety seven, because he

767
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: had Scott Hornseck or Scott horn Sick, Jeff Horniseack on

768
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: his back and Scottie Pippen. Yeah, he's just really just

769
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: turned around and it's not that pretty, but he knows

770
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: he's taller than Jeff Hornseck and was able to just

771
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: chuck it in. And this was These were the first episodes,

772
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: I think because I just said Scott in reference to

773
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: Scott Pippen where we finally got MJ calling Scottie Pippen

774
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: something other than Pippin or Scottie, like he finally gave

775
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: him a nickname. He started calling him pip and desperate.

776
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 4: I was in desperate need of MJ showing some affection Scott.

777
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: Now now it came. Now, now it's here.

778
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: I thought I thought you were going to say it

779
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 3: was Also, I thought the first time that MJ called

780
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: Scott Barrel just Scott, I didn't do the full name

781
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: on on Scottie or Scott Barrel there. Yeah, I called

782
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: him just Scott near the end, but managed to manages

783
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: to still rip on him. Yeah, no real apparent reason, JD.

784
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: Did you have a you know, a favorite moment from

785
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: these last two or anything else you wanted to discuss

786
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 3: from these?

787
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Uh, well, a couple of random points they at the

788
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode nine, there was that angry woman,

789
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: the Pacer fan. Oh yeah, anybody else get a strong

790
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: Renee Young vibe from her? Because I was like, wow,

791
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: that is it's like Renee Young from w WE is

792
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: screaming at me right now, and it was it was like, uh,

793
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: it kind of freaked me out a little. Another weird

794
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: uh and weird vibe. I got, anybody else else get

795
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: a strong Leon Black from Kurby. Your enthusiasm vibe from

796
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman when he was talking about the wrestling stuff.

797
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: He it was just he just did not give up,

798
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: just like Leon does. I could just see him living

799
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: in Larry David's house and just just doing whatever the

800
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: hell he wanted. But yeah, I mean, generally speaking, it

801
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: was a good way to end this series. I would

802
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: say a couple of one thing. I had a question

803
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: when the Bulls beat the Pacers and Jordan, there's that

804
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: shot of Jordan coming in, they follow him into the

805
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: locker room and he's like, yeah, we did it. We

806
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: never worked so hard to get this. Everybody else is

807
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: so subdued, and why was that, Like, no, there was

808
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: I understand they didn't win the championship or anything, but

809
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: Jordan seemed pump pumped, but everybody else was just I

810
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: don't know.

811
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: I wonder if it was several minutes later, after Jordan

812
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: had done all this media they yeah, Hill down a

813
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 4: little bit, ready to go to the fire.

814
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: Again, but he's just like going around high five and

815
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: nobody was really standing up and they were just yeah, yeah,

816
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: we went great.

817
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: We actually saw like a fairly animated Jordan.

818
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 6: Uh.

819
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: A couple of different times I thought in these last

820
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: two episodes, like just a very like jovial, like just

821
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: sort of goofy Jordan, Like there's that one, Remember there's

822
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: that one in it's in Utah. He's in Soul Lake

823
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: City where he's like he arrives, I guess is it

824
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: practice right?

825
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: He is just oh yeah, he's a mood.

826
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

827
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: When he's rocking out wearing the headphones that Ken.

828
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 6: Kenny, I was like, I don't know, this might be

829
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 6: the single least cool Michael Jordan has ever looked. Like

830
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 6: the way he was dancing to Kenny Latimore was very funny.

831
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: And then he's just bragging about having like this uh

832
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 6: low level R and B soul musicians music early that

833
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 6: like you know, twenty two years later, everybody's.

834
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: Like who Kenny Latimar?

835
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 6: And then like you go to Apple Music, look up

836
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 6: the nineteen ninety eight Kenny Latimore record, and it's like

837
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 6: anything I can do to give you malove, Like this

838
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 6: is what Michael Jordan is listening to. Right before going

839
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 6: to the finals.

840
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: They said so much worse if you're like Reggie Miller

841
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: or carlm Malone or anyone that Jordan's teams beat you.

842
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: He's like, oh my god, that's what he's listened that's

843
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: how he's getting hyped up that Kenny Latimore, he's still

844
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: ripping us apart. Yeah, that that was. There was a

845
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: couple of funny moments with MJ. I thought in this.

846
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: One, JD, what do you think of the ending?

847
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: The ending?

848
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: That ending of episode ten. They everybody writes there.

849
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Oh the poem.

850
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, like everybody writes, writes what they are gonna miss

851
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: from this run because it is the last dance. So

852
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: all the players have to throw in something on a

853
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 4: piece of paper into a fire as Phil Jackson turned

854
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: out the lights and lit that fire, and MJ wrote

855
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: a poem, but we never heard the poem whenever.

856
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unfortunate. Has anyone actually written a poem and

857
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: put it up on Twitter just to you know, just

858
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: to to speculate, just to see when roses are read

859
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: violets are blue, that kind of thing.

860
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, Mina Chimes actually had a hilarious tweet. I'm

861
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: gonna try and find it while we're talking here. Yeah,

862
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: roses are read losing as hell. I'm the goat f

863
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: you Scoparel, I.

864
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, it would have been nice to note to

865
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: hear what the poem was or what the other thoughts

866
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: of the guys were and this is this is this

867
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: typical Phil Jackson from what I understand, like he's a

868
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: bit of a hippie and oh yeah, and you know,

869
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: and sure it was a nice close and the way

870
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: that the director visualized it. I mean, Phil Jackson describes

871
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: a coffee can, but it's this majestic burning vase or

872
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: it's a can, but it looks way cooler than it

873
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: probably actually looked in real life.

874
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

875
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: And I like the shots of Jordan just sitting there

876
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: with the longest cigar of all time.

877
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: I think, longer longer every episode.

878
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 4: Domary. That's how the documentary opened.

879
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: I love a bookend. I love a bookend.

880
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was good.

881
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I think it was

882
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: Steve Ashburner that did point this out how there wasn't

883
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: a ton of closure on Jerry Krause, like within this

884
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: whole thing. I mean, he was painted as the villain

885
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: very early, and then Ransdorff picked up that mantle a

886
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: little bit later, as we already discussed. But do you

887
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: think it's possible they edited in because we know these

888
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: last two episodes especially were edited fairly last minute, with

889
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: the whole like pushing up of the schedule, because of

890
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: the pandemic to air this thing that they put in

891
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: Scottie Pippens praise of Kraus there late in that final chapter,

892
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: because of the backlash to like people you know, saying, hey,

893
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: the guy's passed away and you know you're ripping on

894
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: him pretty pretty tough. You think it's a possibility, like

895
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: just to try and smooth it a little bit, because

896
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: you do get Pip and praising him.

897
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: I don't think it was more of a bookend for

898
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: me as well, Like Scottie Pippen absolutely despised them in

899
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: the first episode, but basically, uh, it was just a hey,

900
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: come to Jesus Jerry moment I think at the end

901
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: really for him just to say I love yeah.

902
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It could have always been the plan. I guess.

903
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I could be reading into it that it

904
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: was like maybe maybe they're like, hey, let's throw that

905
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: in there. I make not so bad. It could not

906
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: any more random observations. I only have one more. I

907
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys have any left too, but

908
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, I love a good sign. I pointed out

909
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: the signs we saw in Eddie. We've talked about the

910
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: legalized camp before in the In the last two episodes

911
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: prior to last night's I Love the Bull, It's What's

912
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: for Dinner truck sign that the jazz fans were driving around. Man,

913
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: jazz fans, they were scary. There were a lot of creepy,

914
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: scary jazz fan I mean, you brought up pacers, woman

915
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: screaming over at Taco Joe Klein shoulder. But some of

916
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: those jazz fans are showing with the face page. You're like,

917
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: oh my god, yikes, these poor I.

918
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 5: Think Jordan's boys said that their mom wouldn't let them

919
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 5: go out there to Ua for that reason.

920
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 7: The fans were a bit scary. Yeah.

921
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 5: And the other observation I had was another awkward encounter

922
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 5: with a huge celebrity after Game six, Leonardo DiCaprio, just

923
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 5: fresh off not the Titanic, which won all those Oscars

924
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 5: that year. Instead it was The Man with the Iron Mask.

925
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: He was doing.

926
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was watching that earlier on Man with

927
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 6: the Iron Face. Yes, we'll talk about a great book.

928
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 6: Nd JD. We get Jordan right before the tip off.

929
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 6: He said, all right, everybody put your hands in when

930
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 6: we do what that means all for one and one

931
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 6: for All. So not only is Michael Jordan getting inspired

932
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 6: by Kenny Lattimore, he's also dropping movie quotes in his

933
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 6: pregame Hype Up Huddles for a movie that's got a

934
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: thirty three percent on Rotten Tomatoes. What if he were

935
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: to watched literally anything else from nineteen ninety eight.

936
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've never seen that movie. I've seen it.

937
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: I'd forgotten all about it. I have seen it's not

938
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 5: very good.

939
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: Now many how many sittings did it take for you

940
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: to watch that movie?

941
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 7: Well?

942
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 5: Well, I was, like I said, it was hot off

943
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 5: the Titanic success, so I was right into Leo at

944
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 5: the time. So I went to the cinema and watched it.

945
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think I can't remember it all that well.

946
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 5: But I think it's kind of got a bit of

947
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: a face off vibe to it, where there's someone here

948
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: behind a mask sort of thing. Yeah, that's what I

949
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 5: seem to recall from.

950
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: Its Maybe it was ironed Well, oh yeah, maybe it was.

951
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 7: I yeah, yeah, yeah, Leo.

952
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 5: Leo was right at the right at the sort of

953
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 5: turn then, wasn't He was becoming a huge starf so.

954
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: He was Also he was dressed like Buston Rob. I know, yeah,

955
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: that was weird.

956
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 7: Because he's not a Boston Guys think he's from Boston.

957
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: I have no idea I think he was. I'm not sure.

958
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: Any other random observations, gentlemen.

959
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 7: Well, just sorry. One last thing.

960
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that Byron or Byron Russell, whatever you

961
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 5: want to call him, Brian or Byron, I didn't realize

962
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 5: he was the guy who actually was a tough night

963
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 5: for him. I didn't realize he was a guy who

964
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: made the inbounds pass in Game six of nineteen ninety

965
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 5: seven with five seconds ago, Jazz only down by two.

966
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: There's still plenty of time there for them to at

967
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 5: least get a shot off, maybe extend it, maybe even

968
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: hit the winner. But it's a terrible pass that leads

969
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: to Pippen sort of tipping it over to Tony Kook

970
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: coach to seal the game in the series.

971
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 7: So yeah, Russell, Yeah, he.

972
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 5: Talked a lot, but was on the wrong end of

973
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: those highlights a little too often for mine.

974
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: I just think that today Michael Jordan is killing it

975
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 4: on the piano. He's practicing himself, and what the heck

976
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: happened there at the end of the celebration. He's got

977
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: to be practicing. It's finally something that MG will be

978
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 4: emulating Kobe for because Kobe learned to play Moonlight Sonata

979
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: Bee Telven's Moonlights. All right, now the tables turned. Now

980
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: MG's going to be he can't watch himself be playing

981
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: at piano. I don't like that and be happy about him.

982
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: He's got to be on that piano right now. We've

983
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: we got we gotta find out. I mean, if there's

984
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: another documentary on MJ, he's going to be tickling the

985
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: Ivory Day, I imagine.

986
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

987
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 6: A couple of other things that happen in Game six

988
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 6: ninety eight that I love seeing and I wish we

989
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: would have actually gotten a little bit more of. When

990
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 6: Jordan wears the Jordan fourteen he debuts it for that

991
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 6: final game against Utah. They were called the last shot

992
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 6: for the longest time. We had that scene earlier in

993
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 6: the episode where he's lacing his shoes and you know,

994
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 6: somebody comes in and talks to me like those shoes

995
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 6: gonna give you enough grip. I thought that was going

996
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 6: to be the front book end to Jordan coming out

997
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 6: with these Jordan fourteens for his final game not to

998
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 6: be seen. But I also did love that after Jordan

999
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 6: plays maybe the best minute of basketball in history. You know,

1000
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: he gets the steal, he gets the shot, they had

1001
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 6: that long, full length time out of him just sitting

1002
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 6: there in the huddle. Yeah, that was amazing. I do

1003
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 6: think it's very funny though that Jordan was basically not

1004
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 6: involved at all. The next player that comes after that,

1005
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 6: it's like John Stockton shot and he's not the mean

1006
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 6: defender on it. So yeah, I mean, he was very tired,

1007
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 6: he was figuring out how to finish it off, but

1008
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 6: as it turned out, he just kind of had to

1009
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 6: be out there. But still, I just love seeing just

1010
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 6: his reactions as soon as he had hit the biggest

1011
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 6: shot of his life for sure.

1012
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,440
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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's wrap this up. I think the two

1081
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: criticisms I've seen coming on Twitter at least, you know,

1082
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: taking shots maybe at the last dance, were one to

1083
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: do with them not including anything about Jordan coming back

1084
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: and playing for the Wizards and just of course calling

1085
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: it after the second three pet with the bulls. And

1086
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: then the other part is how his family was not

1087
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: included in this at all except we a cameos last

1088
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: night from his three oldest children, Jeffrey, Marcus and Jasmine.

1089
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: Do you think those criticisms are fair? JD? Both of them,

1090
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: one of them, none of them. What's your take on that?

1091
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Back when they were making the Queen movie what was

1092
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: it called? Again, Sasha Baron Cohen was involved and Queen

1093
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: was producing it. And as Sasha Baron Cohen tells it,

1094
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: he was going to play Freddy Mercury, which would have

1095
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: been awesome, but Queen wanted to tell the story Freddie

1096
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: Mercury dies halfway through the movie, you know what I mean,

1097
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: And then they wanted to tell the story of what

1098
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: happens to Queen after right up to present day. Well,

1099
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: guess what nobody cares after Freddie Mercury dies. Sorry, Queen,

1100
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: we love you, but nobody cares after Freddie Mercury dies.

1101
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's the same situation here. I mean,

1102
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: how does that fit into this story? It's called the

1103
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: Last Dance. You know cares about the Wizards. I mean,

1104
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: everybody knows it, I assume, so you know, well.

1105
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: If anything, just make it its own documentary.

1106
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 6: Sure why?

1107
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many spinoff documentaries that I would

1108
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: love a full documentary about Steve Kerr. And you know,

1109
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I would have loved from a casual fans point of view,

1110
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: I would have loved to see what was happening in

1111
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: the West that lead up up to the showdowns between

1112
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: the Jazz there. So for basketball, I guess I am,

1113
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: I guess I am. But yeah, I don't, I don't.

1114
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't think those are fair criticis and his family.

1115
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, his family was probably like I don't want

1116
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: to be in this. I mean, I was kind of

1117
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: I was sort of curious about what his I mean,

1118
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about his family situation. I was

1119
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: kind of curious that, and it was maybe weird that

1120
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: we never saw him with his wife children during that time,

1121
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: and he just seemed to be this lone wolf that

1122
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: that was all about playing basketball and sitting in a

1123
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: hotel room with with a cigar and a television and

1124
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: a piano. But you know, I mean, I guess it's

1125
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: their decision not to be in.

1126
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: It, and or Jordan's decision not to be in there.

1127
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: Especial especially. I mean, I think what we're getting out

1129
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: here is it is it. It's not disappointing. It's not

1130
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: the right word, but I would have loved to have

1131
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 3: seen Janita his his you know, the mother to those

1132
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: three kids that we did see this three oldest children

1133
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: who he was married to forever, right from eighty six

1134
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: to two thousand and six, I think a long time.

1135
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: And then the divorce and all that happens. I mean,

1136
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: we're being told like that no one has ever been

1137
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: as diabolical of competitor as Michael Jordan. Okay, well let's

1138
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: hear what his wife thinks of That obviously probably had

1139
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: some impact on their relationship. And yeah, that's the one

1140
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: part where you're like, I wish I was in there.

1141
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: But look, if Jordan says we're not doing that, then

1142
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: I think if as the director or the producer, you're

1143
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: gonna be like, well, I'd still prefer to have these

1144
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: ten episodes that are gonna be rating schold And I

1145
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: guess he says, that's the one thing we can't talk

1146
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: about it. That's the one thing, right, Yeah.

1147
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: The one thing that I sort of didn't get out

1148
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: of it that people I've seen some complaints about is

1149
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of articles saying, well, Jordan was

1150
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: a bully and I didn't. I didn't get that at all.

1151
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you saw him being a little

1152
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: bit of a dick every once in a while, but

1153
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't find him to be this big tyrant.

1154
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: And is that because that stuff was cut out of it?

1155
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but I didn't.

1156
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: That's interesting, yeah, because people, a lot of people are

1157
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: saying the opposite that you definitely saw enough of that

1158
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: him being a bully and heard other teammates addressing it

1159
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Yeah, that they were scared of him.

1160
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: Right, and you know, fair enough, And that's probably the case.

1161
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: But it is Michael Jordan. He is the best in

1162
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: the world, is certainly the best basketball ball player maybe ever.

1163
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: And if you're on a team with the best player

1164
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: ever to play the game, I mean, you're going to

1165
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: be intimidated by him. And on the flip side of that,

1166
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: he is going to be frustrated by being surrounded by

1167
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: by mere humans, you know, like it's just going to

1168
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: get on his nerves that you know, you can't keep

1169
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: up with them or you have to push them to

1170
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: keep up with him, you know. So but I you know,

1171
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of a lot of his

1172
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: his dickishness may have been cut out, or maybe I

1173
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: just didn't find him to be that much of a dick.

1174
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1175
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 4: I didn't find him to be a dick at all.

1176
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: I totally agree. I mean, yes, there was circumstantial evidence. Yes,

1177
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: Scotty Burrell bj Armstrong very clearly said it. But I wanted,

1178
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 4: if there was a criticism, I wanted direct evidence of

1179
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 4: him being a dick. I wanted more of the comments. Yeah,

1180
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 4: there was a one for Scotty Burrell, who braided him

1181
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 4: a bit. There was one for Kukcoas, there was one

1182
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 4: for Ron Harper. But I think if there was any criticism,

1183
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: I mean, who cares about the wizard's part of it,

1184
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: But I would have rather seen, you know, more behind

1185
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: the scenes footage. Really is my big criticism. I mean,

1186
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: there's lots of things that they didn't go into, you know,

1187
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 4: like his family, that's totally fine, but you know, other

1188
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 4: instances are gambling, his father's passing, how people were pushing

1189
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 4: him to be an activist, you know, with the Craig Hodgsner.

1190
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: Lots of other stuff they didn't go into because MJ

1191
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: said no most likely and he just didn't want to

1192
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 4: go into it, and from from the director's perspective, you

1193
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: just can't go into it. But I think if we

1194
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 4: could have squeezed in some more of the stuff that

1195
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 4: MJ prepared us for. MJ said, when you watch this,

1196
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: you're gonna think I'm an asshole. But people knew that

1197
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: MJ was extremely tough on his teammates going in, and

1198
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: maybe it's because he softened, you know, me going into it.

1199
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: But we didn't really see all that much, so I

1200
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: didn't come out of it thinking he was much more

1201
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: of an asshole than I already knew. Anyways, I would

1202
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: have rather seen some of all that footage that they

1203
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 4: talked about in the ninety seven ninety eight season. Listen.

1204
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: I'm still I would still want more of this entire doc.

1205
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: There's still more to tell. There's still way more to tell,

1206
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: but there's definitely you know, they had those cameras rolling,

1207
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: and I think I think there's there's definitely more that

1208
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: was left on the cutting room floor, even from him,

1209
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 4: you know, berating his teammates and all that kind of stuff,

1210
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: stuff from that season that they decided to leave out

1211
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 4: for one reason or another, probably because I'm Jay didn't

1212
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 4: want it.

1213
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 6: I thought he was going to come off as way

1214
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 6: more of a bully as well, because if you've read

1215
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 6: the books, you've read the stories, you know that he's

1216
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 6: hard on his teammates. And that's just kind of what

1217
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 6: it turned out to be. I thought, well, with all

1218
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 6: the behind the scenes footage that we did see, was, yeah,

1219
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 6: he was hard on his teammates. But like you're saying,

1220
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 6: jd a genius leader is going to be hard on

1221
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 6: their coworkers, right Like Billy Corgan has a notorious reputation

1222
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 6: for being impossible to work with in The Smashing Pumpkins,

1223
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 6: but that's because he has an idea of what the

1224
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 6: Smashing Pumpkins could be. Jordan had an idea what the

1225
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 6: Bulls should be, and if you didn't follow it, you

1226
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 6: weren't going to be on the team, because this is

1227
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: my team. I thought he was going to come off

1228
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 6: as more of a but dick, but it just came

1229
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 6: off as this guy is just as intense, as as

1230
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 6: intense as you've always heard he was gonna be.

1231
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you're the best in the world, you're

1232
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: allowed to be a bit of a dick. The problem

1233
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: is people who will cite Michael Jordan. You know, Michael

1234
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: Jordan ever apologized to his team. Michael Jordan was a

1235
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: dick to everybody because he was the best, And a

1236
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: lot of people who say that are usually not the

1237
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: best at what they do. They're just total dicks, you know.

1238
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: Like I've worked with a million people like this, who

1239
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: who think they're way more talented than they are, but

1240
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: they cite Michael Jordan or you know, whoever else is,

1241
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: or the Billy Corgan's of the world. That's infuriating. But

1242
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: if you're Michael Jordan, he delivered six championships to the Bulls,

1243
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: So what are complaining about? I mean, Kerr got punched

1244
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: in the face by a man. He seemed fine with it.

1245
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 5: I actually can see a comparison to Steve Jobs for

1246
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 5: what's Jobs was able to achieve, and behind the scenes.

1247
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: A lot of people call him a dick, you know,

1248
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: because he was a genius as well, and he created

1249
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 5: something and he expected people to be at his level,

1250
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: and that book that was written about him made him.

1251
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 7: Look like he was a real a hole to be es.

1252
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 5: So, you know, I think when you're at that level,

1253
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 5: it's very very hard to find people who are at

1254
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: your level, and you expect everyone to somehow get there,

1255
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: even though you know most people can't. So, you know,

1256
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 5: I think the same with Jordan, Like a lot of

1257
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 5: guys want to win, a lot of guys when they

1258
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: do win, and pat Riley talks about this, the hunger

1259
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: of more. You know, once they win, some guys are

1260
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: happy with that one championship or perhaps even a second one,

1261
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 5: and not a lot of them have that same hunger

1262
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: and drive to just keep on trying to be the

1263
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 5: best and to try to keep on winning. But Michael

1264
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 5: Jordan had that, and you know that's that's one thing

1265
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 5: that does separate him still from a lot of incredible

1266
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 5: athletes around the world that you know, he never ever

1267
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: got satisfied with just winning and with his place. He

1268
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 5: wanted to continue to excel and he was able too.

1269
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 6: We've got Michael Jordan's, Steve Jobs and Billy Corgan. So

1270
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 6: if anybody else has a ball genius to reference now

1271
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 6: is at the time.

1272
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: Jade had int reference Billy Corgan and ad read recently I.

1273
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: Think I did. I was talking about my balls.

1274
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 4: Right, What was the line? It was a good line, ah.

1275
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: Jeez, I said, I was Zzy top on on the

1276
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: top and uh on a bender and uh uh Billy

1277
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: Corgan below the belt. Queen is a whistle and full

1278
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: of angst. I believe shout out to Manska.

1279
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: Didn't pans for that one.

1280
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: And it's clear that no one was as hungry as

1281
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan because many men were in a room with him.

1282
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 4: They just ordered a pizza and they could because he's

1283
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: spin on the pizza.

1284
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: Man, He's spin on the pizza because he's a maniac.

1285
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 5: But that that's where he looked like the biggest asshole

1286
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 5: to me. He's like, you're gonna eat a patro in

1287
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 5: front of these guys who take care of you and

1288
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 5: not even give them a piece.

1289
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: Saved their life, he saved them.

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01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Tim only had one ball of dough left.

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Also, this is what you do next time if there's

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01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, Lebron, listen up. If you're ever in another

1293
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: big moment in the finals and you find yourself in

1294
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City or something, you need a pizza late

1295
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: at night, especially if there's five guys at the damn door,

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: Open up the pizza. Tell one of the homies right there.

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: Hey have a bite, Yeah, go on, do you have

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01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: a slice? No? No, no, no, don't go yea, yeah, I'll

1299
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: sign something for you. Just have a slice of pizza

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01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: here first. See what happens. See what happens so quickly

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01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: they take a bite of that pizza.

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01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 5: The other thing is think about the ordering process. Like

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 5: he's like, I'm starving, all right, I'm just gonna order

1304
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 5: a pizza. He's like, oh, yeah, I just want one

1305
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 5: pizza here. You think the other guy's like, yeah, get

1306
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 5: me some as well. Man, get me lease, please get

1307
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 5: me some garlic bread. You know, they get me something man.

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01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: And then some dipping sauze. Yah exactly.

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 7: You know, can I get a coke at least? Maybe?

1310
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 5: Well Tim Grove is probably not gonna drink coke. But

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 5: don't you think the other guys as well? Like as

1312
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 5: he hang up the phone, they're sort of looking at

1313
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 5: each other a little bit side, I say, and like,

1314
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 5: is this like just one huge pizza that he's ordered

1315
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 5: or is he just ordered a personal pizza?

1316
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 4: He didn't order the pizza somebody else?

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, well how did they? How did they know?

1318
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: Then?

1319
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 3: I think that's why I took five guys to deliver it. Exact,

1320
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: the biggest pizza you've ever seen through the whole that

1321
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 3: makes it even.

1322
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 5: Worse than if it was that big and he still

1323
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 5: didn't share it, you know, like, ah, man, what else?

1324
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: So overall overall, I mean, we don't need agree to anything,

1325
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: but it sounds like you enjoyed the last dance, and

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: it sounds like everybody on this call, you know, liked

1327
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: what they saw over the last five weeks on a

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01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: Sunday night, especially with no sports going on.

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, it was. It was fun, It was enjoyable,

1330
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 5: it was nostalgic. It was great to gain to just

1331
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 5: go back and see more Jordan stuff. I would have

1332
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: I sort of thought we were going to see a

1333
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 5: lot more behind the scenes stuff. We saw some of it,

1334
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 5: but I think like last night, for example, was still

1335
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 5: more of a recap of what happened and the struggle

1336
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 5: to get to you know, winning three in a row.

1337
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 5: That was more what I felt. But yeah, I mean,

1338
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan content, you can just never get too much

1339
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: because he is a reclusive guy and he's a bit

1340
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 5: of a hobbit, so you want to sort of see

1341
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 5: what he's like when that, you know, when he's not

1342
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 5: in front of the TV cameras that have been broadcast

1343
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 5: around the world, when someone's got that hidden footage Bill

1344
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: Wennington released the tapes.

1345
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 7: We want to see them.

1346
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean it's it was an incredible moment

1347
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 5: in the NBA, an incredible moment in Jordan's story, and

1348
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 5: it was great to sort of go through it with him,

1349
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 5: you know, with him telling the tales. Even though it

1350
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 5: wasn't maybe the most objective piece we've ever seen, but

1351
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 5: it was still fine for what it was. I mean,

1352
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 5: it was Jordan telling us about his career, recapping it,

1353
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 5: and I loved it.

1354
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: What other teams, dynasties, subjects would it be cool from

1355
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 3: the NBA world to get a deep dive documentary series

1356
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: on Trey is there? I mean, is it Phil Jackson

1357
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: with the Lakers?

1358
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 6: So, I mean yeah, that to me is the next

1359
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 6: one that you would think would be on the list,

1360
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 6: the Shack Kobe Lakers, just because of the inter team

1361
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 6: strife and struggle that those two guys really brought out

1362
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 6: in each other. Of course, you honestly can't do that

1363
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 6: documentary without Kobe, which is a tough part about it,

1364
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 6: especially in a way that's more like the Last Dance

1365
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 6: where we're going into the controversies.

1366
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1367
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the big difference there obviously is you know, I

1368
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 5: mean Shaq and Kobe being enemies. I mean, imagine Scotty

1369
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 5: and Michael were enemies. Imagine what that would have done

1370
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 5: to the Last Dance if they were sort of taking

1371
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 5: shots at each other in it. But obviously that never

1372
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 5: happened because you know, even Scotty sort of referred to it,

1373
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 5: or someone referred to it that Scotty and Michael weren't

1374
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 5: even that close themselves. But Scotty sort of understood like

1375
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 5: Michael's the lead dog and I'm just sort of the

1376
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 5: second in charge, and he played that role well. But

1377
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 5: that wasn't the case with Shaq and Kobe. Of course,

1378
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 5: they both wanted to be the man and both thought

1379
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 5: they were deserving of it. So that would be a

1380
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 5: fascinating series and just again to see how Phil treated

1381
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 5: that differently to what he went through with Chicago.

1382
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's it for us today. Two you guys

1383
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: think of the Last Dance, it's over, which is sad

1384
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: though we just found out here before sitting down and

1385
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: record on Wednesday night ESPN and on the ESPN Plus app,

1386
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: they're going to do like this, I don't know this

1387
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: cinematic version of Game six of the ninety eight finals

1388
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: between the Jazz and the Bulls. So they're they're.

1389
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: Gonna build the nine tools comment or content coming like

1390
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 6: you're saying, skeets. Apparently they're going to show some of

1391
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 6: the you know, basically HD footage that they were shooting

1392
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 6: back in ninety eight, and those were some of the

1393
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 6: best scenes in the Last Dance when you're just seeing

1394
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 6: nineties basketball with twenty twenty technology. That was awesome. But

1395
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 6: the more nineties Bulls content, the better for me, because

1396
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 6: this is the coolest the Bulls have been since we

1397
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 6: moved back to the States. I've been wearing Bulls gear

1398
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 6: for basically four straight weeks and not being embarrassed about it,

1399
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 6: which is a huge upgrade right now. So as long

1400
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 6: as they're able to keep finding new stuff new old

1401
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 6: stuff to put out, I'll keep wearing my old stuff

1402
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 6: all right.

1403
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: Again, let's hear from you, guys. Did you like the

1404
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: Last Dance? Things you would have maybe hope they have

1405
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: done differently, whatever, Email No Dunks at the Athletic dot Com,

1406
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 3: tweet at us at no Dunks. Think we got another

1407
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 3: big week ahead boys. Tomorrow We're going to record a

1408
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: special up Down Report podcast where we will debate some

1409
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: NBA and some non NBA related topics. So that is

1410
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: the up Down Report of special podcast. Wednesday, we'll hit

1411
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: the beach to answer your questions and comments, so we'll

1412
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: get those cues in now. Thursday, we have plans to

1413
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: talk to good old Canadian boy Ariel Helwani about his

1414
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: NBA fandom, especially the Knicks, and maybe we'll talk a

1415
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 3: little UFC with him as well. Why not, I'm sure

1416
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 3: we'll talk Canada. That'll be great. And on Friday, we've

1417
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 3: got a brand new film session, though we haven't decided

1418
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 3: on the movie to watch yet, so if you have

1419
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: a suggestion, I don't know, you got a day or

1420
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: so to let us know to pitch your case of

1421
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: what particular basketball movie we should watch for film session.

1422
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: All right, Clipper bros.

1423
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

1424
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: Love you guys awesome.

1425
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember five guys Burgers has

1426
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the five guys who delivered a pizza.

1427
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, I just embrace the day people.

1428
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: I da de days like this when I want to

1429
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: medical thing like a man over my head. Oh yeah, yeah,

1430
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: my days like this, like this is a feeling toil

1431
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: because again again everything week