Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Mersday Night,
Speaker 1: and welcome to a bite sized episode of ectro Vision
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we're doing it Previously on We're catching
Speaker 2: up on Loki season two as part of a series
Speaker 2: revisiting all the things we missed while we were on
Speaker 2: that far too long hiatus and what a way to
Speaker 2: stop to the loom.
Speaker 1: After the events of season one, Loki finds himself warping
Speaker 1: uncontrollably through different eras of the TVA. TVA leadership, including
Speaker 1: the militaristic General Docs mobilized to stop the timeline for
Speaker 1: branching and threatening all reality. With the help of a
Speaker 1: longtime TVA maintenance tech ob Ako. We love you our
Speaker 1: favorite baby, Yeah Yeah, Loki and mobi Is try to
Speaker 1: find a solution to Loki's uncontrollable time slips. One thing
Speaker 1: leads to another. The TVA is nearly destroyed and moby
Speaker 1: is in Loki head into the rivers of time to
Speaker 1: find Sylvie. She's in Broxton, Oklahoma, and Man comics fans
Speaker 1: will be like, Oh, Broxton, Oklahoma. This was the home
Speaker 1: of Asgard for Yeah.
Speaker 2: God was just floating above Broxton, Oklahoma for a while.
Speaker 3: It was great, weird stuff. Love it.
Speaker 1: So she's in Broxton in nineteen eighty two eating a
Speaker 1: lot of fast food, which she's loving McDonald's. She loves McDonald's. Also. Previously,
Speaker 1: Hunter X five, unhappy with his life as a nameless
Speaker 1: TVA drone, slips into the timestream himself to live life
Speaker 1: as a famous actor in nineteen seventies swinging London. Baby.
Speaker 1: Our heroes find him and they capture him. Max five
Speaker 1: then it very mean because he was enjoying himself.
Speaker 3: Just having a good life.
Speaker 1: Having a good life turns out to be not a
Speaker 1: great guy. But that's whatever, okay. X five reveals Sylvie's
Speaker 1: location to them, and we discover that General Dox's big
Speaker 1: brain plan is to stop the branching by bombing all
Speaker 1: of these rogue timelines and killing every living thing in
Speaker 1: all of those realities. Come on, we can't let.
Speaker 3: That sounds bad. It's not good.
Speaker 1: In Chicago in the year eighteen sixty eight, Ravona Renslayer
Speaker 1: and Miss Minutes give a TVA handbook to a very
Speaker 1: young Victor Time He's like nine or ten this stage,
Speaker 1: and of course Victor Timely is a version of Kang
Speaker 1: and who is also a version of He who remains.
Speaker 1: Loki and Mobius arrive thirty years later in eighteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: during the famous Cargo World's Fair.
Speaker 2: Fantastic episode wonderful, Such a good they did, such a good.
Speaker 3: Job with this.
Speaker 1: Loki saves Timely from a bunch of different things that
Speaker 1: are going on, including Sylvie trying to kill him and
Speaker 1: another guy trying to enmesh him in a bad business
Speaker 1: to you and return him to the and they return him.
Speaker 1: Oh and Miss minnotes being in love with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm s with him.
Speaker 2: I have to say, Look, I'm I'm gonna be a
Speaker 2: miss Millet's apologistic.
Speaker 1: I am. Also because Timely is not a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's a good remains not a good guy.
Speaker 2: And also she has literally been there the whole time
Speaker 2: with him, helping him build the TVA, helping him, so
Speaker 2: she is she can't help it, you know. And Timely
Speaker 2: he is a he's a he's he's always doing a
Speaker 2: little a little heel time like he'll always just be.
Speaker 1: A bad yes, he's guy bre on that in a bit.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, Loki rescues timely from all that stuff and
Speaker 1: returns into the TVA. We then learn that he w
Speaker 1: Remains to your point about the heel turns h w R,
Speaker 1: he w Remains and Renslayer were partners, or at least
Speaker 1: mister Remains said that, Hey, we're gonna be partners in
Speaker 1: this TVA project. Yeah you're gonna go a piece of
Speaker 1: this fifty to fifty down the middle. It's yeah great.
Speaker 2: And not only that, their little love kind of quotation
Speaker 2: they would say to each other for all time, and
Speaker 2: then the other one would say, oh, boys.
Speaker 3: That he stole that he made all it TVA.
Speaker 2: Like fucking you know motto while wiping Renslayer's mind and
Speaker 2: kind of wiping her out of the history.
Speaker 3: Which, you know, if you listen to us.
Speaker 2: Talk about the last season of Loki and stuff, you
Speaker 2: will know that that is very comics accurate, that him
Speaker 2: and Renslayer have this on again, off again love affair
Speaker 2: and they're always kind of betraying each other and saving
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yes, you know what a move to like
Speaker 1: turn someone from like a fifty to fifty or sixty
Speaker 1: forty partner in something to a salaried employee and wiping
Speaker 1: their mind, so they have no idea that that happened
Speaker 1: to me. Pretty fucked up. Obi then pinpoints the issue
Speaker 1: that's going on with the temporal Loom, which the malfunctioning
Speaker 1: of the Loom is the big problem throughout the season.
Speaker 1: It's a through put issue, so they sent Timely in
Speaker 1: there to fix it, but he immediately gets spaghettified and
Speaker 1: the Loom goes critical, blows up, and everything is destroyed,
Speaker 1: and that's the end of the story. No, it's not,
Speaker 1: because Loki the time slipped right before the explosion. He
Speaker 1: then travels through all these branches of time to find
Speaker 1: his TVA friends who are living their regular, pre memory
Speaker 1: wipe lives, and he gathers them all together to get
Speaker 1: his team together, except for Sylvie, who remembers everything doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go back, and then gets Loki to admit
Speaker 1: that actually he's getting all his friends together because he
Speaker 1: is terrified of being alone. He just can't be alone.
Speaker 1: He needs he can't be alone. He can't be alone
Speaker 1: with his own thoughts and his own emotions. He needs
Speaker 1: to get people and gather them around him to just
Speaker 1: keep him preoccupied thinking about anything but his own affairs
Speaker 1: his own loans.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back.
Speaker 3: Way back.
Speaker 1: Loki goes back to the TVA and again they try
Speaker 1: to fix the loom sending timely in to be keeps
Speaker 1: getting spaghettified.
Speaker 2: It happens again and again and again and again and again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just run faster. That's the big idea for
Speaker 1: a little while.
Speaker 2: I have to say, I feel like I would like
Speaker 2: to know if this was like a reshoots situation, because
Speaker 2: it feels.
Speaker 3: Like a punishment to the actor who.
Speaker 2: Play Place Place. You're interesting because at the end of
Speaker 2: episode four, I think was a big like when you
Speaker 2: get spaghettified the first time, you kind of go okay,
Speaker 2: well Kang's not going to be that main villain anymore.
Speaker 2: They kind of fix the problem and then they're like,
Speaker 2: well what if we just killed him like twenty times
Speaker 2: and it just keeps getting spaghettified. Very cathartic to watch,
Speaker 2: but I love that. I love the episode. I love
Speaker 2: that episode where they're just doing the fixes over and
Speaker 2: over again and trying all the different things.
Speaker 3: It's a really they have a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Playing with time and emotion of time in this season.
Speaker 2: I love this season, I think, and I think this
Speaker 2: stuff really showcases how good the EMCU can be when
Speaker 2: you don't really follow a three x structure and you
Speaker 2: kind of go outside of what we understand films to be.
Speaker 1: I agree, there's a weirdness to Loki season two that
Speaker 1: I really really love. Okay, so it never nothing ever
Speaker 1: works the you know, Vicker's getting speak edified. The Loom
Speaker 1: keeps exploding, but eventually Loki figures out that by concentrating
Speaker 1: on a person in this case, ob caking time slip
Speaker 1: at will. So Loki, using this ability to now loop time,
Speaker 1: loops the Loom mission, trying various fixes, researching advanced science
Speaker 1: and physics, all of which takes like centuries literally time
Speaker 1: just loop again and again. None of it works. He's
Speaker 1: getting frustrated, so finally he slips back to the Citadel
Speaker 1: at the end of time at the end of you
Speaker 1: Will Remember at the end of Loki season one, to
Speaker 1: stop Sylvie from killing Victor Hwr remains. He who remains
Speaker 1: aka Kang hw Remains pauses time and they have a
Speaker 1: conversation and he reveals the true nature of the Loom. Actually,
Speaker 1: the Loom is a failsafe that automatically prunes rogue timelines
Speaker 1: to keep everything in balance, and this prevents the multiversal
Speaker 1: war that will allow Kang the Conqueror to emerge. But
Speaker 1: it can be saved. HWR says if Loki stops Sylvie
Speaker 1: from killing him, which he can do by killing her,
Speaker 1: which Loki, of course he's never gonna do that. That's
Speaker 1: never gonna come and what are you talking about. Instead,
Speaker 1: Loki goes back to the Loom mission instead of sending
Speaker 1: Timely in to get spaghettified for the billion millions up teams.
Speaker 1: Who knows how many time he goes in himself, struggles
Speaker 1: through the forces arrayed against him, goes to the center
Speaker 1: of the timeline, grabs the strands of time, rearranges it
Speaker 1: into a form much like the eaedricill, the tree that
Speaker 1: forms the shape of all reality from Asgardian myth, committing
Speaker 1: himself to sitting at the center of time, keeping everything
Speaker 1: in balance basically forever, like he can't ever leave this,
Speaker 1: and that is the wonderful end of our story. The
Speaker 1: TV goes back to work tracking various hw R remains
Speaker 1: varians across the timelines. Mobius is like, I've had enough
Speaker 1: I quit, I'm going back to live a regular life,
Speaker 1: and Ravona Renslayer wakes up at the feet of Ali
Speaker 1: Off the Devourer. Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Also, I will say, we see Victor timely not getting
Speaker 2: not getting the TVA book, which says that we could
Speaker 2: be seeing a very different timeline because Ms Minutes and
Speaker 2: Ravona navigave him that book, and obviously as well, I've
Speaker 2: been a big proponent of this for a long time.
Speaker 3: So as Jason. They set up here.
Speaker 2: With you know, Ravona at the end being in kind
Speaker 2: of the mouth of Alley Off and being near that
Speaker 2: space that Ravona could become Kang, which is what happens
Speaker 2: in the comics we've seen it. They're definitely saying that up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I loved this season. Like for me, I
Speaker 2: know this controversial take, shocking coming from me, but I
Speaker 2: actually preferred it to Loki Season one.
Speaker 3: I thought Local Season.
Speaker 2: One was great, but this had this hard sci fi adventure.
Speaker 2: I thought they balanced the kind of the bright brilliance
Speaker 2: of a character like Obi and with like this really
Speaker 2: bittersweet ending.
Speaker 3: I mean you get that.
Speaker 2: You learn like Loki just wants to be with friends,
Speaker 2: he wants his own Avengers he wants the people he
Speaker 2: loves around him, and the end of the show is
Speaker 2: he has to be alone forever for all eternity to
Speaker 2: save people.
Speaker 1: That's like heartbreaking, It is quite heartbreaking. And I will
Speaker 1: say a thing that we love to talk about is
Speaker 1: how the various strands of the MC you could be
Speaker 1: setting up secret wars which we know is coming. And
Speaker 1: I think this Loki at the center of time sets
Speaker 1: it up pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he could be doing some little shenanigans.
Speaker 2: He could hear a little voice for you know, you
Speaker 2: wanna remember he's the god of mischief.
Speaker 3: He's not always some good stuff.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna. Like that's the other thing, like
Speaker 1: do we get where does he play his mischief? And when?
Speaker 1: Will like it can't be Loki if there isn't some
Speaker 1: keel turns, some small he'll turn coming at some point
Speaker 1: and you have to feel that Lixen. I love Loki.
Speaker 1: I think he's great. As he mentions himself over the
Speaker 1: course of this season, Hey, remember when I sent an
Speaker 1: alien force to invade New York. Remember when that happened,
Speaker 1: and like lots of people got killed and I was
Speaker 1: a really bad guy at that time, When will that
Speaker 1: kind of thing emerge? I think Loki by himself for
Speaker 1: all this time is a recipe for not good stuff
Speaker 1: to happen at a certain point.
Speaker 2: I also think that the classic Loki kind of thing
Speaker 2: is if he gets bored, he causes mischief and he's
Speaker 2: in the center of the timeline, he's incredibly bored. You know,
Speaker 2: if he had that, maybe you know, doctor Doom was causing,
Speaker 2: he'd be like, well, what.
Speaker 3: If he came over? If we had him in our timeline.
Speaker 2: We haven't really had a good villain yet, or it
Speaker 2: might seem that way, but Loki knows that we need
Speaker 2: Doom here to stop someone greater, like the Makup or
Speaker 2: something like that. You know, there's I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of potential. So that leads to my big question.
Speaker 2: And I think you kind of already answered it because
Speaker 2: and I with you. But how much this is the
Speaker 2: question that the fans are asking, This is the question
Speaker 2: people are our discote asking. How much does this matter?
Speaker 2: Is Loki Season two gonna shape what happens in the
Speaker 2: MCU next, Like, do you feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: it's one of those key shows that will.
Speaker 1: I feel like they've given themselves, whether it's by reshoots
Speaker 1: or however they've done it, they've given themselves a variety
Speaker 1: of ways to go forward. And the key thing is
Speaker 1: they are always to go forward without Kang. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: already created a timeline in which Young Victor timely does
Speaker 1: not become Kang, does not get any kind of advanced knowledge.
Speaker 1: It becomes just a very smart kid, but not a
Speaker 1: interdimensional multiversal supervillain potentially so. And they've given themselves a
Speaker 1: way to move forward with as you mentioned Ren Slayer
Speaker 1: as that kind of Kang figure, and also as with
Speaker 1: Loki as a potential return to like a chaos bringer
Speaker 1: at this center of creation, they could do all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, and Loki, they've given him a way to
Speaker 1: go off the board but always be there. So I
Speaker 1: think that this will set up and I think this
Speaker 1: will influence a lot of the MC stuff going forward,
Speaker 1: And honestly, it has to be. They have to move
Speaker 1: forward in that way without Cama.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick brick and we're back.
Speaker 1: Any favorite moments from season two?
Speaker 3: Obi was my big favorite.
Speaker 2: Moby was I also have to say, even though it
Speaker 2: was obviously like to an extent a bit of a
Speaker 2: cynical cash grab, as we saw with the tie ins.
Speaker 2: I actually thought the esthetic production design of the McDonald's
Speaker 2: set and Sylvie's kind of like Oklahoma aes vibe.
Speaker 3: The vibes are just.
Speaker 2: Really good there, and I really liked I really like
Speaker 2: this kind of like maternal sisterly relationship she had with
Speaker 2: like the sixteen year old manager of the McDonald's. I
Speaker 2: thought they did a good job building out the personal
Speaker 2: lives of everyone, obviously getting to see Mobias go back
Speaker 2: and have the He's like, I've got kids, man, Like
Speaker 2: I can't just leave my kids, and Loki's like, no,
Speaker 2: this is made up, Like this is not your real life.
Speaker 2: Your real life's in the TVA. But for Mobias, that
Speaker 2: was his real life, you know. I felt like they
Speaker 2: balanced the emotional, grounded nature of kind of human storytelling
Speaker 2: with the really bombastic sci fi in a way that
Speaker 2: for me really worked.
Speaker 3: So those were definitely my highlights.
Speaker 1: What about you. I want to shout out Natalie hol
Speaker 1: who was the composer on Loki season one and two
Speaker 1: and also Obi Wan Kenobi and various other film and
Speaker 1: TV projects, because I thought the music I was so
Speaker 1: Loki was next level good. It was like amazingly good
Speaker 1: in fact, like the song that the musical piece that
Speaker 1: carries you out as you're seeing kind of ye you know,
Speaker 1: you're seeing Mobius return to his regular life, and you're
Speaker 1: seeing Victor young, Victor not getting the TVA handbook. You're
Speaker 1: seeing all those things. That piece of music in particular
Speaker 1: was just gorgeous, like just incredible works.
Speaker 3: Give her an Emmy. It was so good.
Speaker 2: Fan every episode we like to close the show with
Speaker 2: a verty of fast moving segments. Today it's like that
Speaker 2: read this where we recommend comics to read if you
Speaker 2: like the show or movie we're talking about. This week,
Speaker 2: it is comics to read if you like Loki season two.
Speaker 2: I will begin by shouting out one of my all
Speaker 2: time favorite comics that I am very lucky enough to
Speaker 2: have because there was a time when no one.
Speaker 3: Cared about this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think, if you like this and you want to
Speaker 2: kind of get an inkling of that Loki who is
Speaker 2: both antagonist and friend and brother but mostly cares most
Speaker 2: about annoying Thor, which is what we all love him for,
Speaker 2: I would say read Frog Thor by Walt Simon, said.
Speaker 1: One of our.
Speaker 2: Legendary four three sixty four to three sixty six. It's
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty six story and it's basically like leans
Speaker 2: into the weirdness like this season did. It is Loki
Speaker 2: has this prank filled plan to best his brother and
Speaker 2: turns him into a frog while heading off to takeover Asgard.
Speaker 2: But it goes awry, leaving frog Thor in a kind
Speaker 2: of dangerous animal world that he has to go through
Speaker 2: and introducing an impostor in the place of the true
Speaker 2: air to Asgard, and it becomes this kind of wild
Speaker 2: pet avengers adjacent animal fantasy, kind of like animals of
Speaker 2: farthing Wood. But then you also get you know, buff
Speaker 2: six foot four frog Thor, which I love, and there's
Speaker 2: just lots of fun with kind of Kirby esque as
Speaker 2: guardian intrigue and red wool animal fantasy that comes together
Speaker 2: in like a very silly and fun finale that feels
Speaker 2: very true to the the vibes of this season.
Speaker 1: I will go with why not Thor three seventy two,
Speaker 1: the first appearance of the time variance authority and right
Speaker 1: in line with Rosie's pick again with the uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the incredible Walt Simonson as writer Salba this time hand
Speaker 1: legends non stop legends on this particular issue, and uh, folks,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your intro into the time variance authority
Speaker 1: and the visual of like endless desks upon desks upon
Speaker 1: desks upon desks. Uh. And it's super super fun to
Speaker 1: see where the idea for this entire thing starts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very I always forget how this issue
Speaker 2: is very like Judge Dread, like that called like justice Peace,
Speaker 2: Justice Mills like and I mean, like Jack the Ripper
Speaker 2: is in this issue. Like it's so because Beary Bill
Speaker 2: Sith Warriors three, like this is a thor Sma goes board.
Speaker 1: In fact, the cover by Seal of this issue features
Speaker 1: a TVA Hunter, who I mean is very clearly a
Speaker 1: nod to Judge Dread.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's so two thousand and ad. I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a great issue. Those are some great
Speaker 2: places to start. And as always, you know, head to
Speaker 2: the Discord if you want to know more about which
Speaker 2: comics to read, because we're always in there and the
Speaker 2: Discord crew always has a great recommendation.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Thanks for listening, Bye see you next time.
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