WEBVTT - Part Two: Pete Hegseth's Fascist Book 'American Crusade'

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, listeners, update.

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<v Speaker 1>I went over to Elizabeth the not so Dying Squirrel,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's scurried.

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<v Speaker 3>Away and welcome to behind the bastards.

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<v Speaker 2>But to the sipe, yeah, what a funk off.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna do a good You're gonna do a normal intro.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of us professional someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to say, maybe I was right not to smash

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<v Speaker 1>her with a rock and to feel sadness on the inside,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe she's.

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<v Speaker 3>To evaluate her with myself. So I just said, if

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<v Speaker 3>she's suffering, you should smash her with the rock. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the humane thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, in that case, I mean smash We're

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<v Speaker 2>we're all suffering in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, and are we not all praying.

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<v Speaker 2>For begging to be smashed the rock?

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope Elizabeth and not so dying squirrel scurried away

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<v Speaker 1>and now is like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I hope she's fine now an acorn if

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<v Speaker 3>you're not. If something's not fine, you always have rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>A big enough rock can stop anyone's pain. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's about rock.

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<v Speaker 1>I always have my phone that can call you who

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<v Speaker 1>has rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got thoughts. I got so many rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not throwing a rock at Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't throw the rock. That's not nearly like. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the odds of you missing and just injuring the animal.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's just inhumane.

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<v Speaker 2>Carry I've been carrying around the same rock for for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, and I'm shocked. I'm shocked how easy it

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<v Speaker 2>is to get a rock onto I mean, I mean, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very experienced killing, like we've we've established that on

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Start this shit again, Okay, listen, I can't afford this anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>This has followed me. I just got back from my

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<v Speaker 2>book tour and these accusations have followed me around the country.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right. I've been yeah, yeah for those

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<v Speaker 3>for those deaths, and fuck what was the town I

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<v Speaker 3>made up? You killing people?

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<v Speaker 2>And oh my god, I can't forget. I can't at

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<v Speaker 2>me all the time. Unbelievable. There's so many people who like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've signed a book and then they've leaned in conspiratorially

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I'm okay with what you did in Grand Rabbids.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know there's sickos.

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<v Speaker 3>We're manufacturing consent so that when you do have to

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<v Speaker 3>kill somebody, everyone's like, it's fine for Jamie to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a psychological experiment.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm giving you a get it out of jail free

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<v Speaker 3>card here.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, and now I feel like I shouldn't even say it, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>but how easy it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Take out the jewelry pool. It's gonna be like a

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<v Speaker 3>fucking Luigi situation. She must have had a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Look in his defense, I mean, Louis. The Luigi defense

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<v Speaker 2>is you're honored? Will we put this hotty behind bars?

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<v Speaker 2>I think not Rod, He's too He's just simply too.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you not foaming? Are you not foaming? Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I've been bringing I've gotten a rock, like

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<v Speaker 2>a rock that could proble probably do some damage through

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<v Speaker 2>like airport security all the time. It's really just.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the rocks don't set off the metal detectors. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think there's specifically a rule against taking a rock

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<v Speaker 3>on a plane, because like there's gym girls. You know

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<v Speaker 3>it's I think it's probably fine to take a big

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<v Speaker 3>rock on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I can I can confirm you will not

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem with the rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'm a company money to book like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty different flights in the course of like two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>and just repeatedly take flights with larger start with a

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<v Speaker 3>small rock, and just to go up by like a

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<v Speaker 3>half inch diameter each time and see at what point

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, you can't take that on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet my guess is they'll be a point where

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be they'll ask, and then there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a point where they say we cut off, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you should, and then you should just be like, where's

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<v Speaker 2>the rule? Yeah, where's the r It's like airbud, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the rule that says a dog can't play basketball? What's

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<v Speaker 2>the rule that I can't have a rock on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a souvenir you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a souvenir rock from wherever I found it. So, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 3>this has all been fun. You know, it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be fun with the rest of the Returning to

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Hegseth's Fascist Manifesto.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe. I've thought for sure we were you

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<v Speaker 2>were finishing the book, but it was just starting.

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<v Speaker 3>No. No, there's so many there's almost a normal book's

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<v Speaker 3>number of words in this book, or roughly a normal

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<v Speaker 3>book's number of words in this book. Shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're they're like, really, you know, pamphlety.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, actually I happen to agree. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of the some of the quotes on the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the book. One of them stated, this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is Pete Hegseth's Raw Dog, which, since it came out

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years before your book, was a weird

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<v Speaker 3>statement to make. But you know, it is true that

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<v Speaker 3>publishers who commune regularly with the sacred spirits of the

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<v Speaker 3>Oracle of Delphi have been awaiting your book for generations.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it. Look, I realized that it was

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<v Speaker 2>fulfilling your prophecy of sorts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are references to Raw Dog, and oh fuck,

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to be a great joke. I forgot

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<v Speaker 3>the name of the oldest story ever, fuck with the

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<v Speaker 3>with the fucking the monster and the guy with the sword.

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<v Speaker 3>God damn it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the oldest book in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like the oldest like proper no idea, not novel.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you're talking about the epic of.

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<v Speaker 3>Gilgames Gilgamesh, God damn it, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what were you what were you gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert about the epic.

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<v Speaker 3>Of I was going to say there were references to

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<v Speaker 3>raw Dog and the Epic of Gilgamesh, but I forgot

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<v Speaker 3>the name of the Epic of Gilgamesh, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>ruined the whole bit. It's fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. I fact checked it for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you, Sophie, Jesus Christ. Oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically it was a poem, but you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a poem. Whatever, it counts. Just like Pete Ra

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<v Speaker 3>raw Dog, Yeah, the American Crusade.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a good name competition. It would be it

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<v Speaker 2>would be great if there was a right wing book

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<v Speaker 2>that couldn't use the title raw Dog.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just thinking how funny it would be if,

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<v Speaker 3>like you get made Secretary of Defense next and like

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<v Speaker 3>journalists at like New York Magazine are like quoting from

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<v Speaker 3>Raw Dog to try to determine how you'll run the military.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of woke bullshit.

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<v Speaker 3>We really don't know where she's gonna go. Actually, this

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<v Speaker 3>is this is anybody's game. Impossible to predict your policy

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<v Speaker 3>on Iran based on this hot talk book.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, there's a I think some of my policies are

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<v Speaker 2>in there. My international policy remains absolutely inscrutable.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, and you do spend there is that weird

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<v Speaker 3>chunk in the middle of Raw Dog where you spend

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<v Speaker 3>forty pages arguing in favor of the littoral defense ships

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<v Speaker 3>that the US Navy was building for a while, which I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that when you read it it sounds out of context,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you read it, it actually makes quite a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. Why it's there.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the hot dogs of the sea, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of sailor seas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're now seven minutes in. Pete's next chapter is

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<v Speaker 3>called twenty twenty Death, Divorce or Dawn, which I do love,

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<v Speaker 3>like for a man who's been divorced this many times,

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<v Speaker 3>Death divorce or don Right, that's him talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>different paths the country could go down. We can either die,

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<v Speaker 3>we can have a national divorce, or we can have

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<v Speaker 3>a new Dawn. Right. So it opens with him talking

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<v Speaker 3>about how much he regrets that he was a never

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<v Speaker 3>Trumper at one point, or he was almost a never Trumper, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a necessary mea culpa from a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who was on record as when Trump first started running,

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<v Speaker 3>he was backing Marco Rubio, right, and heg Seth was

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<v Speaker 3>a more mainstream Republican in this period, although he is

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<v Speaker 3>still very he's always been very far right. He just

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think Trump could win. And also Trump was like

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<v Speaker 3>a weird New York real estate guy, right, he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>seem like a real conservative because he's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a politician, he has to hedges bets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's just a dick and a fascist. Anyway, his

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<v Speaker 3>journey is one we've seen a lot of Trump's inner

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<v Speaker 3>circle go on.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why they've been able to go from this

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<v Speaker 3>guy should never could absolutely never be president, be a

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<v Speaker 3>disaster to uh, you know what, maybe he's the savior

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<v Speaker 3>of the people. Right. The reason that they went through

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<v Speaker 3>that is because the only thing any of these people

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<v Speaker 3>Pete included, believe is that, like, I should be close

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<v Speaker 3>to power, right, And yeah, so you just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>have to know if you're in Pete's position, where you

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<v Speaker 3>have some documentation as being on the other side of things,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to like explain how you turned around to

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<v Speaker 3>licking the boot right. So here's what he gives is

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<v Speaker 3>his first conversion moment. My first conversion moment was watching

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<v Speaker 3>a televised Trump rally in April twenty sixteen in southern California.

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<v Speaker 3>The protests on the street were so fierce that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and his staff had to leave their cars walk along

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<v Speaker 3>a highway to be escorted into a back entrance of

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<v Speaker 3>the venue. Helicopters followed as every moved, and leftists were delighted.

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<v Speaker 3>What was he talking about that was so controversial? America?

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<v Speaker 3>Make America great again? Build the Wall America First. Outside

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<v Speaker 3>the arena, the left wing protesters seethed with rage. Many

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<v Speaker 3>of them waved Mexican flags and confronted police. Now, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no reason to believe that this actually had an impact. Pete.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason he brings this up is it fits established narrative, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I like pethe yeah, I like that, But it fits

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<v Speaker 3>the narrative that like, we're only fascist because of the

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<v Speaker 3>radical left right, that's what made us be fascist.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously Pete's documented history shows this. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who always wanted politics and always had really regressive

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<v Speaker 3>right wing views that he largely used to attack people

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<v Speaker 3>he thought were less than him.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I just just I mean, where do you

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<v Speaker 2>in southern California do you think he was when you

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<v Speaker 2>saw when he saw this? Do you think he is

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<v Speaker 2>like Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 3>He's hammered it not very farm Probably he's got a

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<v Speaker 3>puke on a roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in the fast pass line for Great Thunder Mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you know what I'm going to give.

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<v Speaker 3>So one thing I do believe is when Pete asserts

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<v Speaker 3>that Trump taught him how to wage political combat, which

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<v Speaker 3>is accurate from what we can see, right, because this

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<v Speaker 3>is a guy who failed to get a start in

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<v Speaker 3>politics because he didn't really understand what Trump did, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump proved you don't have to pretend to be respectable,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to pretend to be nice. You can

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<v Speaker 3>be you can lie and cry havoc, and people who

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<v Speaker 3>are just as shitty as you will hate whoever you're

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<v Speaker 3>yelling at, because their lives are only filled if they

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<v Speaker 3>have hate, right Like that, That's what Trump understood, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what Pete learns from him. And I do think

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<v Speaker 3>he's being accurate here when he says that Trump taught

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<v Speaker 3>me how to fight in the political sense, because there's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely no evidence he knew how to do it previously.

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<v Speaker 3>I find it interesting that Trump credits him for giving

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<v Speaker 3>him a Trump spine, and he writes that Trump taught

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<v Speaker 3>him how to quote live the lyrics of my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>rock band, I feel safe inside the violence right of

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<v Speaker 3>the political arena. Right, that's that's a And now I

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<v Speaker 3>bet you're wondering what song is that from?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm scared to know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's from the Ever Clear song Santa Ana wind which

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<v Speaker 3>is very much a Southern California tune about being the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of person Pete hates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his favorite band is Ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Clear, Ever Clear right, which is fascinting, particularly weird because

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<v Speaker 3>the lead singer ever Clear, Art Alexakis, describes himself as

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<v Speaker 3>a left wing Christian who despises conservative Christianity and wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a song called Jesus was a Democrat?

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<v Speaker 2>Has he listened to the listened to the very Clear?

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<v Speaker 3>Also not a Santa Ana Windes. Not a song about

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<v Speaker 3>like fighting, really like, that's not what it's about. It.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about living in southern California. It's about the Santa

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<v Speaker 3>Ana Winds.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good, a trump spine just to stack a diet.

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<v Speaker 3>Come again, folks, don't make art, you know, burn, Go

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<v Speaker 3>go out there right now and you know, destroy a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of vinyl records, you know, annihilate human culture. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on the AI team now there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Disco demolition the people. I think people should always make art,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you're bad at it, because if you're bad

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<v Speaker 2>at it, keep bad, keep it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gotta say that, Jamie, until we get until we

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<v Speaker 3>get the fascist leader who's like holding up raw Dog

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like this, based on this book, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to expel all the immigrants.

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<v Speaker 2>So many of his You should know better than anyone's history.

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<v Speaker 2>His greatest monsters were failed art. Is just keep making

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<v Speaker 2>the bad art. If George Bush had just painted his

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<v Speaker 2>damn landscape.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, you're right. I mean that. That is my

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<v Speaker 3>actual stance is that we need a whole government department

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<v Speaker 3>that like provides fake fans to untalented conservatives who want

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<v Speaker 3>to succeed in Hollywood. Oh yeah, everyone loves your TV show.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't get enough of it. Don't try going out

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<v Speaker 3>to any of the regular conventions. Go to this one

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<v Speaker 3>that we're putting on. Your fans will all be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be a crisis actor in that department.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's mission critical, Yeah, honestly, just some soft reinforcement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just like like an elite military corps who show up

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<v Speaker 3>at the stand up Nights that these guys put on

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<v Speaker 3>and are like they have like a Navy seal hell

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<v Speaker 3>week boot camp for how to pretend to laugh at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Although when you put it like that, they are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, no, this would be protecting the nation much more

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<v Speaker 3>than any military action in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, we have to keep selling out those men

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<v Speaker 2>and women as long as I promise to never run

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<v Speaker 2>for office.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you had to listen to Michael Knowles's

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<v Speaker 3>stand up, like my country is a pus our bravest soldiers,

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<v Speaker 3>our bravest soldiers. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like this whole chapter is like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so diabolical where he he's acting like a rom

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<v Speaker 2>com character who's like and I could really be my

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<v Speaker 2>full self now I can just be awful.

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<v Speaker 3>I could be like this song I clearly don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>because Trump taught me how to be racist and not

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<v Speaker 3>feel bad about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The next few pages of Pete's book are accounting of

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's rise to be leader of the Republican Party, and again,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't really worth going over. We all know what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>What is interesting is the account that Pete gives this

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<v Speaker 3>of his own first attempt at getting into politics his

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve Senate run in Minnesota. I A, which is

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<v Speaker 3>not what it's called. During Yeah, Minnesotia. During the Senate run,

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<v Speaker 3>he attempted to defeat Amy Klobachar. I say attempted because

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<v Speaker 3>he failed. He blames his loss, and he does not

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<v Speaker 3>succeed in getting the Republican nomination, right, he loses the primary.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't even get to go up against Amy. He

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't even get to get Kloba charted.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Jesus, they shocked that one.

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<v Speaker 3>That looked they can't all be winter, they can't all

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<v Speaker 3>be winner. Cloba shocked. Yeah, that's got that's better. So

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<v Speaker 3>he blames his loss on the Star Tribune, which he

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<v Speaker 3>calls Minnesota's communist paper of record. Weirdly, and here's what's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like so I look into him, like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 3>they must have like said, don't vote for Pete. Hegseth Right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the opposite. They described Pete as a picture perfect

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<v Speaker 3>outsider who seemed like he had a really good chance

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<v Speaker 3>at winning the GOP candidacy because like, oh, he's a veteran, right,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he could probably win. You know, that's that's old

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<v Speaker 3>electorally so miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>When any type of fascist calls a centrist paper radical,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I wouldn't you wouldn't it. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like now ultimately serving your project.

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<v Speaker 3>Phrasing the Star Tribune because they're their analysis was just shitty,

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<v Speaker 3>like wells of veterans will probably win, right, discounting the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that Pete hag Seth can't do anything right. That

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<v Speaker 3>like he's he sucked at the last time he ran.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, he's had two different like NGO's that

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<v Speaker 3>he's been a part of, and he spent all the

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<v Speaker 3>money on drugs and partying. You know that veterans, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>veterans could be some of the most fucked up people

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<v Speaker 3>in the country. You know, often in a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've I've so I started doing drugs with was a

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<v Speaker 3>traumatized veteran. Actually, he would have been a really good

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<v Speaker 3>Minnesota Senate member, but you know, he's to get involved

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<v Speaker 3>in the Minnesota Senate. Yeah, man, can you imagine our

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<v Speaker 3>buddy greasy will in the Senate. I would vote for

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<v Speaker 3>him in a heartbeat, oh man. So yeah, So he loses,

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<v Speaker 3>and again he's angry at the Start Tribune because they

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<v Speaker 3>describe him as a really good candidate. And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is why I lost, because like, no one likes

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<v Speaker 3>the mainstream media. And when they said that I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>was good, that that doomed me, right, that doomed me

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<v Speaker 3>to my voter base. Right, it's their fault. They destroyed

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<v Speaker 3>me by being nice to me. The reality is Pete's

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<v Speaker 3>campaign was doomed from the start because he's bad at this. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's again, he can't he can't Pete. He can't run

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<v Speaker 3>an he can't run a charitable organization funneling money into

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<v Speaker 3>right wing politics because he's too fucking corrupt. Right, he

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<v Speaker 3>never had what it took to build any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>independent support or power. He's not very disciplined. Again, he's

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<v Speaker 3>hammered half the time here.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, doesn't it it sounds like that he's

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<v Speaker 2>like wasted money that was supposed to go to veterans before, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was supposed to be used by a veterans organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what right wing politics this? They were not helping

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<v Speaker 3>vests somebody like ultimately, they were trying to push more

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<v Speaker 3>support for the surge in Iraq, right, and then attack Obama.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like, I'm not saying it was. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying like, oh, it's a shame he wasted that money, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's theoretically yeah. So I want to quote from an article,

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<v Speaker 3>another article I found on the Star Tribute in the

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<v Speaker 3>wake of Pete's defeat, and this is them talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it just kind of summarizes what an incoherent messis candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>He was.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is right after he loses the primary. Although

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<v Speaker 3>heg Seth had previously said he would not run in

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<v Speaker 3>a primary if he did not win his party's endorsement,

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<v Speaker 3>he sent out a cryptic email to supporters Wednesday that

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<v Speaker 3>raised serious doubts about that pledge. The email was titled

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<v Speaker 3>the Fight Continues and did not say he planned to

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<v Speaker 3>support state Representative Bills, who decisively won the GOP nod

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<v Speaker 3>at the state convention on Friday. Now, this all led

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<v Speaker 3>to days of speculation that he was going to run

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<v Speaker 3>against the GOP candidate who had been endorsed by the

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Paul organization. And it was the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 3>where like they just wouldn't clarify what that message had

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<v Speaker 3>meant for days until eventually, like they're basically cornered and

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<v Speaker 3>forced to say like, no, I'm not really going to

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<v Speaker 3>run like it was just a narcissist who could only

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<v Speaker 3>respond to losing with sad bluster, even though he had

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<v Speaker 3>been out organized and out fundraised and very obviously beaten. Right, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love a good refuse to give up. Well, obviously needing

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<v Speaker 2>to give up.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, right, It's beautiful stuff. So in his book years later,

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<v Speaker 3>Pete would insist that he was glad now he's glad

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<v Speaker 3>that he didn't win, and he says specifically, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 3>that patriots didn't vote for me then, right, because they

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<v Speaker 3>were right. I was still a Rhino or Republican in

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<v Speaker 3>name only at that point, right, I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 3>the way. You know, I hadn't accepted Trump as my

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<v Speaker 3>word savior.

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<v Speaker 2>People were thinking about of that yard.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good that they wonn't because I wasn't. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>enough of a fascist yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cope.

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<v Speaker 3>So we conclude this chapter with another rant that the

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<v Speaker 3>American left is an exit sestential threat to freedom. Then

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<v Speaker 3>we have the obligatory call to violence that he swears

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a call to violence if left to succeed, and

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<v Speaker 3>turning it in it the United States into something else. Then,

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<v Speaker 3>as strident as it may seem, divorce is imminent. If

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<v Speaker 3>they turn into King George the Third, find me a

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<v Speaker 3>town square in Lexington or a bridge and conquered to

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<v Speaker 3>stand on. I believe millions of Americans, properly prepared and organized,

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<v Speaker 3>would do the same. Our great flag means nothing without freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>Better to go our separate ways a new freedom loving

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<v Speaker 3>country at all than be complicit in the destruction of America.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a call to violence, not at all,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not what anybody wants. It's cynthia recognition that

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<v Speaker 3>freedom loving Americans will not stand idly by and watch

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<v Speaker 3>our blessed freedoms be trampled. Now, among other things, what

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<v Speaker 3>are people pissed about King George the Third about? Was

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<v Speaker 3>it that he was like deporting people without like any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of trial. Was that like a big part of

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<v Speaker 3>the Declaration of Independence, that like his troops were just

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<v Speaker 3>like arresting and sending people away without any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>due process.

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<v Speaker 2>There do a crusade with gun, There do a gun crusade,

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<v Speaker 2>And so actually make a lot of sense that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so fucking embarrassing. Yeah, good for him, Good.

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<v Speaker 3>For now The chapter ends with one final little rant

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<v Speaker 3>about how twenty twenty is our last possible chance to

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<v Speaker 3>prevent the collapse of the United States. You know, no

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<v Speaker 3>more shots after this. The leftists will have taken too

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<v Speaker 3>much control.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so it would be nice.

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<v Speaker 3>The Pete Hegseath, who wrote American Crusade in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>was no less committed to forcing a far right Christian

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<v Speaker 3>theocracy on the rest of the country than the Pete

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<v Speaker 3>of today. But he was quieter about it, not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot quieter. But there's still even a little bit in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty more kind of creepy. You gotta put onto

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<v Speaker 3>it so that it doesn't sound too bad, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>far right still kind of felt like they had to

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<v Speaker 3>respect some kinds of properly patriotic diversity, at least in public.

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<v Speaker 3>So when it comes to the actual timeline of like

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<v Speaker 3>when was Pete radicalized, when did he arrive at his

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<v Speaker 3>current beliefs, and what does he actually believe beyond I

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<v Speaker 3>should be important, that's harder for me to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the evidence there might not be much more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some of his evidence, the evidence from his time

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<v Speaker 3>in the service paints an image of a man less

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<v Speaker 3>convinced than his present iteration of like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the fascist stuff. He's gone on record about his upbringing

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<v Speaker 3>in a Christian home, but in keeping with the traditional

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<v Speaker 3>reborn and the spirit evangelical narrative, it's clear he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>consider he will now claim that like young Pete wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really a believer, right, not the way I am right

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<v Speaker 3>as a kid, I wasn't really I didn't. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>really committed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Christ, you know, right, Well, it sounds like, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a difference between growing up in a religious household and

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<v Speaker 2>like enacting and being religious.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's more because, as we'll talk about,

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence suggests he was very religious and always has been.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more, if you are talking to an evangelical audience,

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<v Speaker 3>there is an expectation that you will give your narrative

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<v Speaker 3>of like your own personal journey to faith has to

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<v Speaker 3>be a hero's journey. So it can't just be I've

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<v Speaker 3>always been religious and always been great. It has to

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<v Speaker 3>be like, no, I rejected God. I was living this

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<v Speaker 3>a moral life of the flesh. I used to be

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 3>up pill popper, tripper high rise and then lows sliding,

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.360
<v Speaker 3>popping heads and busting reds, kicking in doors and banging whores.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I got a man who was hung up

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<v Speaker 3>from my hang ups. You know, it's gotta be that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing, right.

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 2>It's still talk of the dome, Robert No.

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 3>I stole that from the movie Margo, which I talked

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<v Speaker 3>about a lot on.

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<v Speaker 2>This show often. That's terrific.

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<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful stuff, really really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Hegseth has claimed in a recent interview with the

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<v Speaker 3>Nashville Christian Family that his parents were Baptist, but quote,

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<v Speaker 3>my home life was not political, but it was very

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 3>faith and family based. Now, again, this is nonsense. This

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 3>is a common sentiment from people who are raised in

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 3>very right wing environments that my upbringing wasn't political because

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 3>conservatism is just common sense, you know, it's not politics,

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.160
<v Speaker 3>just common sense. It's like Christianity's not a religion. It's

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 3>just the truth, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I still think is more commonly accepted, like it

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<v Speaker 2>across the board than it should be.

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<v Speaker 3>No, and it's one thing I'll give because I have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of issues with my parents and the conservatism

0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I was raised with. But they never said we were a.

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 2>Politically they were are.

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 3>We are very political right wingers, right. That was always

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:14.679
<v Speaker 3>my parents' attitude. So at least there's that, right. I

0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 3>just have no respect for this. So I wasn't political. Yeah,

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 3>my parents donated exclusively to Republicans, and like, I edited

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 3>a Republican newspaper in college, and we went to church

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 3>three times a week. But I wasn't really religious, you know.

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 3>So Pete first gave his life to Christ as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>but would complain after the fact that his public school

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 3>was secular, right, and kind of blamed that, like, oh,

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:36.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, I give him my life to Christ, but

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I still wasn't really Christian because of my public school. Quote,

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<v Speaker 3>it's fair to say I had a Christian veneer, but

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<v Speaker 3>a secular cores and thought I was ready to go

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<v Speaker 3>out into the world and prof and profess Christ. I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reality is he didn't have any interest in

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 3>doing that, right, Neither it is he now. But he

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 3>was interested in getting rich and being successful, right, because

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 3>he's a rich kid and he wanted to content. He

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 3>wanted to do the thing that rich kids do, which

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 3>is get into finance and get richer. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Barrister's what a pick I do It's so funny because

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>like the the narrative you're describing that he wants to

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 2>apply to himself, like it is kind of available to

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>him where he, you know, like lived a whether he

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>wants to admit it or not. A very real but yeah, right,

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.199
<v Speaker 2>But you'd have to be willing to stop doing that

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 2>in order to have the narrative. So he's got to

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<v Speaker 2>make one up.

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he's got to make one up. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know what else we have to make up? What for

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>all of the people listening to this podcast for free

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 3>by going to ads right now? You sickos, you freaks,

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 3>you monsters. You I don't know, he roes. I love

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 3>you and we're back. You know, every time I say

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I love you to the listeners, I'm thinking about one

0:24:56.560 --> 0:25:00.080
<v Speaker 3>specific listener, and it might be you, you don't know.

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 3>But everyone else I don't love. In fact, I hate,

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and I'm actively working to sabotage. But one of you,

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 3>one of you I love. You're always in my thoughts.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 3>You're the only thing that I care about, you know, everything.

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Every time I hear you speak to your listeners, I'm

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 2>reminded that uh parasocial relationship could also be based in antagonism,

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's oh, I've read the book.

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's the bible of how to be a

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 3>good podcast game gold Leaf?

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you know there's a gold Leaf like version of

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>that book?

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Why it's about it?

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know this one.

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 3>It's like him and the guy who first came up

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 3>with the alpha wolf concept, just like, oh, man, I

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I really this thing that made me famous and noteworthy

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:52.400
<v Speaker 3>was a real mistake.

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 2>This thing that made me millions and millions of dollars.

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.120
<v Speaker 3>I fucked up. I fucked up.

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 2>And then the humiliating pivot you get. Whereas the guy

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 2>who wrote the game, I think, Neil Neil Strass just

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 2>like we're just st gonna freaking love my wife.

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah forget, I'm happy. Yeah, like like I just trid out.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 3>This made me miserable, and loving and respecting a woman

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 3>is made me happy.

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad he knows he's wrong. But I'm also like, uh,

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>stop publishing book a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little faster, man. Maybe yeah, maybe you don't write any

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 3>more books. Maybe you think I feel differently about the

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 3>wolf guy, right, he really was just trying to do

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>good wolf research and just a just a fuck up.

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's not his fault. Like he didn't try

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 3>to be like I'm gonna make alpha wolf a thing.

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 3>He was just describing wolf behavior, and weirdos ran with it.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm not as familiar with his trajectory. He

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>was literally just talking about wolves.

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was. The concept of the alpha wolf developed

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 3>from this wolf scientist who was studying wolves in captivity

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 3>and describing their hierarchy. I've read, yeah, and then and

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 3>then it turns out that like, actually in the wild

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 3>there's like alpha wolf behavior does we don't see it

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 3>because like it's not really evolutionarily beneficial. It's a thing

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>that happens when wolves are put in an unnatural situation. Basically,

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 3>it's a thing that happens in wolf prison, not in

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 3>the wild. Right, And he has spent the rest of

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 3>his career being like, no, the alpha will fit, Like

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>it's wrong. It's not a concept in anything. It's certainly

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 3>not a concept for humans. Like, stop talking about alpha's

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 3>you dicks. It's a bummer, yeah, speaking of alpha's eth

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 3>real real alpha male.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Looking for this. But the day of this book, I

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>saw a friend from college like a year ago, and

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like puting up to She's like I'm getting

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>really into like wolf's smut, which was not the answer

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 2>I was expecting.

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 3>No, No, that's probably just straight up pornography.

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but otherwise she was she was doing really well.

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a part of it. But she

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>she like recommended a book and I listened to it

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 2>for a while, and you know, if this is your thing,

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>go with God. But I was like, oh my god,

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>there's First of all, there's so much. There's so many

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>of them. It was one of those like the Bodyguard's

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Wife's Accountant type titles. I'm going to find it. Keep hegsathing,

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to find this. So, you know.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.479
<v Speaker 3>Pete claims obviously that like, yeah, he was secular at

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 3>his core, he just had a Christian veneer I have.

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>The reality is that, you know, he's always been pretty

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.719
<v Speaker 3>religiously far right and politically far right, but he was

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 3>as a young man just wanted money, right, Like that's

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 3>all he really gave a shit about. He claims that

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 3>the first thing that starts to radicalize him towards Christian nationalism.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 3>As a class he takes at Princeton on Christianity quote

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>taught by an atheist famous for studying the Gnostic Gospels,

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 3>the proph belief Jesus died was buried at a shallow

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 3>grave and was eaten by dogs. I realized I was

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 3>not prepared to combat such thinking, and went to the

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 3>library to read dusty books that pointed to and explained

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the veracity of the Gospels. Defending my faith became an

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>academic endeavor because I sensed faith in the Bible were.

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Good and eaten by dogs, eaten by dogs.

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Like, seriously, I get like, obviously, there's a very strong

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>arge be made that, Like, well, the Jesus of the

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Bible was one that was probably conflating a couple of

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>different actual guys who are like Messianic guys who claimed

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.239
<v Speaker 3>they were the Messiah wandering around the Holy Land in

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 3>that period, right, like eaten by dogs? How would you

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 3>even prove that? Why would that be an argument that

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 3>a professor would make it? And it was definitely eaten

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 3>by dogs.

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>And why would this be the first we're hearing of it,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that is, speaking of dogs? Though I have got the

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>name of the wolf porn.

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 3>I was, Oh, thank god, the audience has been on

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 3>the edge of their fucking seats for.

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.959
<v Speaker 2>This, And if this is your thing, I like, I

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear more about it, but I respect it.

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Here is the name of the book that I read,

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>part of the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate, which is one

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>word too many, but it's got three points.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 3>It's a long title.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>It's got like we have similar scores on good Reads. Okay,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the Air, followed by the Air apparents rejected Mate, followed

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>by the Lone Wolf's Rejected Mate.

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh, real, rejected mate. Fetish going on? Here is what

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all about Well, what is about is like

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 2>falling in love with a with a fuck ass wolf

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>who kind of is nagging you. There's a lot that's

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>how I would refer to, Okay, the Tyrant Delpha, but

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you could also easily call the Tyrant Delpha a fuck

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 2>ass wolf.

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Sure, yeah, that scans. So there's no real evidence for

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 3>any of what he's claiming about his fucking professor here,

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 3>or the fact that you know, he starts doing serious

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Bible research that proves the historical I don't think he

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 3>does any research. Right. Again, He's raised to believe this shit,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 3>and it like funds fuels his narcissistic sense of superiority.

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 3>He's always fitt in here, right, This is just the

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 3>explanation he has to give in the book because, as

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I stated, evangelicals expect a certain kind of narrative.

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>That's also yeah, for lack of a better like, he

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>needs to be not like other girls for this narrative

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to work.

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And again, his initial goal is to get rich,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 3>and then the global War on Terror gets in the

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 3>way and Pete winds up gravitating more towards the military.

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 3>He claims, though, that during this time he spends more

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 3>than a decade studying Christianity, which kind of conflates with

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>other things he says, because he's argued in this same

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>interview that his faith didn't become real until twenty eighteen.

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 3>This is when he claims that he was properly saved

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 3>and born again, just in time for him to jettison

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 3>the last of his Rhino credentials and hop on to

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 3>the Trump train. The fact that those things happened around

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 3>the same time that he's like, oh, I was saved

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 3>at the same time I realized Trump was God's pick

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>to save America. This is not really trustworthy, right, Although again,

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I think the thing he's lying about is he's always

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 3>been this guy, right, he covered his body with Christian

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 3>fascist tattoos, you know, and other fucking we the people shit,

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 3>you know. Like, I don't think he's lying about being

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 3>a Christian nationalist or being a fascist. I think he's

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 3>lying about the fact that this was a journey, you know, right.

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean it seems like he has no issue with

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 2>any of this at any point in his life. But

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>he needs the narrative. He needs the narrative there and

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and I would be so curious. I feel like this

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>happens in all sectors of public life. Of how many

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>times you're going to keep telling the same story about

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>yourself to keep yourself like relevant and to keep yourself

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of an underdog.

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, you always have to be an underdog, even once

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>you've like succeeded, you know. Yeah, I mean that's a

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>big part of my ego. Right, Nobody believed that we

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 3>could have the largest history podcast on the internet, you know, No,

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 3>aside from all the people who believed in me and

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 3>fought for me and advocated for me and guested on

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 3>the show and whatnot. Like, nobody nobody believed believes you, right,

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 3>aside from most people.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, you were, yeah, you were, you were podcasting from Uh,

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, just like prostrate on the floor. Nothing you had.

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 3>Not exactly exactly I was. I was at the lowest

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 3>demand can be, you know, living in an apartment on

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 3>the edge of Santa Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a way you also found God in idea. Yeah,

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you have that in common.

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 3>My God was was the pod. Uh you know, yeah, Sophie,

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>if we register as a church, do we get to

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>stop paying taxes?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Also strick in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, I shook. All right, we're going offline. We'll

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 3>talk in some more about this offline. So in like

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 3>the kind of early chunk of the Trump years.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 3>He and his family first moved to New Jersey to

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 3>attend a community church called Colt's Neck, led by pastor

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Chris Durkin. I found a year old YouTube video published

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 3>by the church in which Pastor Dirkin reads out five

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 3>ways Christian families are under attack, which proves that Christian

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 3>media is always about a decade behind because they've only

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 3>just discovered listicles, right, this is like twenty twenty fucking four.

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Now, the video does not have a lot of views,

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but Dirkin is a guy that Hagstef is later going

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 3>to claim was like a big influence on him, and

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 3>so it's kind of worth listening to some of what

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 3>he says. Uh. In a summary for the video, Durkin writes,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 3>more than any time in our lives, it feels like

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Christian families are under attack. Are these contemporary attacks random

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 3>or is there a deeper battle going on beneath surface?

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 3>He spells, they're wrong, But I'm just being petty here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no hand is asked to him. Also, I mean,

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>do you do have to hand it to him that

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>he did not change his name from dark and he

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't know.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 3>And he really should have he really that's why he

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 3>hasn't blown up in the way the next preacher we're

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 3>going to talk about has.

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>But should have been Gunner.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 3>I will say. The way he talks his speech is

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>so the speech is written so similarly to how heg

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Seth talks. It's either just evidence of how much this

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 3>guy influenced heg Seth, or maybe they shared a writer, right,

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, not impossible. It's also probably the case

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.240
<v Speaker 3>that this is more the result of Christian grievance, conservative

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 3>grievance culture just being very predictable. Right. The overarching message

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 3>is always that you, the good, normal people are under

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 3>siege from the evil outsiders, you know, the leftists or

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 3>the enemy within right. And since the chief enemy of

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Christianity is the devil, anyone advocating for a lifestyle different

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 3>than yours is literally the devil.

0:34:59.239 --> 0:34:59.439
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 3>It's made very clear in this segment of the five

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 3>ways Christian Families are under attack speech by Pastor Chris Derekin,

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 3>which Sohi's going to play for you now.

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 4>Designed by God as a gift from God, that through marriage,

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 4>not only is it good because it's not good for

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 4>man to be alone, that through marriage not only are

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 4>we commanded to be fruitful and to multiply, but also

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 4>in the New Testament, marriage is a picture of the

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 4>Gospel of Jesus Christ itself, whether you're talking about God's

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 4>character and plan and creation, or even talking about Jesus Christ,

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 4>his life, his death is resurrection, his love for his people,

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 4>his bride, the church. This is going to fill hell

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 4>with all kinds of fury and it's going to be

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 4>aimed at your family and.

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Right, the argument there he's making is that like, yeah,

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 3>gay marriage, all of these different culture like it's literally

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 3>the devil right, like anything anytime you urge anything outside

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 3>of like what Christians believe about this, Like no, God

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 3>decreed what marriage is. So you are literally on the

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 3>side of Satan, right, yeah, which is you can't have

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 3>a secular society with these people. You can't be free

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 3>with these people in your country.

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 3>And this is like his reality.

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 2>This is baseline, This is his baseline. Theistical nature really

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>does crack me up.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I do love that it's alistical.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my college, what do they call it? The guy

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>who talked at my college, did my commencement speaker, mister j.

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Leno delivered No, no, he delivered his speech in the

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>form of a list, and that was ten years ago

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was old Laurance.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good stuff. Okay, so yeah, let's so let's let's

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 3>get back to this lovely stuff, this lovely, lovely esipode.

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:55.800
<v Speaker 3>So yeah. The underlying truth that is revealed by reading

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 3>American Crusade is that people like Pete Hegzeth and his

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 3>fellow event angelical dominionists have no desire to coexist with

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 3>anyone else. That's why they have to portray this as

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 3>an existential battle, because only by pretending their enemies are

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 3>the same as them can they morally justify the kind

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>of violence that they are going to try to do.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>What little fun there is in reading American Crusade comes

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 3>from looking at hegxa's predictions for what will happen if

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 3>the left wins in twenty twenty and comparing that to

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 3>what actually happened. My favorite example of this comes right

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 3>at the end of chapter two. If Trump loses in

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty, I fear America is doomed. The Democrats, on

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 3>track to nominate a radical leftist would complete the political

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 3>domination they already maintain in our culture, media, and schoolhouses.

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 3>The ivory towers of the Ivy League would become the

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 3>policies of Washington speech codes instead of free speech, Bye

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 3>bye Second Amendment, anti Israel and pro Islamist foreign policy,

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 3>naked socialism, government run everything. Yeah, that's all what happened

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 3>when radical leftist Joe Biden got elected certainly embraced it,

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 3>anti Israel policies.

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Let's just say that what in particular, fuck it sticks

0:37:59.120 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>out like ASORTA.

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, just how immediately all of these Ivy League institutions,

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 3>like most of them just caved Trump.

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, yeah, it's incredible, incredible well, Pete, unfortunately

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you didn't call that one, and I mean no, certainly

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 2>is benefiting from that not having happened.

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Once again, we desperately wish for a Democratic party that

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 3>functions the way Republicans pretend it functions. Yeah, like, how

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 3>nice that would be.

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Radical leftists, anti Israel, radical leftists.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah what God oops? So again the big takeaway, the

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 3>actual practical takeaway you should get from reading lines like this,

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 3>is that there was never any hope for the Democratic

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Party to pull away modern Republicans or fracture Trump space right.

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 3>That was never possible, not from Biden, not from Harris right.

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Any Democrat, no matter what they do, no matter how

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 3>nice they try to be to conservatives, no matter how

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 3>much they attacked to the middle in their politics, will

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 3>always be attacked as being anti Israel and a radical

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 3>leftist right. Tacking to the middle and backing that Yahoo

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 3>just cabbed off people who might otherwise have voted Democrat.

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just a disastrous strategy. I need to

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 3>write something about this. But like part of when I

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 3>knew what I started to get really worried about Harris's

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>campaign was when she started like campaigning around with Cheney,

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and I could tell like, Okay, she's doing this because

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 3>she she wants to get She thinks that she can

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 3>get Republicans like my mom to vote for Harris. And

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:31.240
<v Speaker 3>my mom was a lifetime Republican, loved John McCain, loved

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Dick Cheney, loved George W. Bush, hated guns like, was

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 3>fine with banning guns, was not like and so, and

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 3>was very pro abortion right and so you would, I

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 3>guarantee you if you would like bring up the profile

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 3>of someone like my mom to Kamala Harris right or

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 3>to do Biden the oh, we can get this voter,

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.879
<v Speaker 3>we can get this voter right. This is someone as

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 3>long as you know we're not too radically left, we

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 3>can speak their language and convince them. And no, you can't.

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 3>My mom would have died before voting Democrat right. She

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 3>would have chosen death over voting for the Democratic Party period.

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, like, there was never any chance of you

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:11.760
<v Speaker 3>getting her right. And the instant I realized they're betting

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 3>on that as opposed to trying to get anyone, you know,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.359
<v Speaker 3>any moderates or people further on the left, like on

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 3>board with actual like policies that will help them was like, Okay,

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 3>we might be in trouble here.

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean it's yeah, something that just like

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:31.280
<v Speaker 2>another example of the right, big, far more like organized

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>for lack of a better term, than the left, is

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 2>because there are people who didn't vote for Kamla because

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 2>she would not move left, Like I don't know.

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 3>It's just the the idea that there are good Republicans

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 3>buried inside the party and we can shake them out

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>of voting this. No, no, no, Even the people who

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:54.239
<v Speaker 3>are like good, who have more reasonable stances, who you know,

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 3>had issues with Trump, what they wanted most is to

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 3>win and as soon as you like like because of

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 3>this is the project of twenty something thirty years of

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>right wing media. This was what Fox News accomplished. What

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 3>matters most to the majority of Republican like dedicated Republican voters,

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 3>And obviously there's a sizable chunk of people who voted

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 3>a Republican last election who flip flopped between and those

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.760
<v Speaker 3>people are reachable, which is why they flip flop so often.

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.839
<v Speaker 3>When we're talking about the core of the party. Their

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 3>primary motivation is hurting Democrats, is hurting immigrants, is hurting

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 3>the groups of people they hate, and have been taught

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 3>to hate by year at this point, a couple of

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 3>generations of conservative media. You know, it's it's inflicting pain

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 3>on their enemies, and so you can't win them over

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 3>by being like, but look, we adopted one of your policies.

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, don't you like this? Now? Aren't we better

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 3>than that Trump guy? I know, because that Trump guy

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.479
<v Speaker 3>is promising to kick somebody, and they want to see

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 3>somebody in pain. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Yeah.

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I reflect often on that, like that the phase of

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>her campaign where there is a series of cam paining

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 2>commercials that were encouraging women, like conservative women to vote

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>for her behind their husband's backs. Do you remember that?

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just gonna offend people, Like, it's not gonna

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 3>you don't. It's just just bad choices, just bad choices.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I do. I do believe that there were probably voters

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, but it's like, that's not the fucking way too,

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and that's not gonna exactly, that's not as that's not

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 2>as effective as actually moving left.

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Again, Like oh wow, you know this swing state has

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 3>a massive number of like Muslim voters. I wonder if

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 3>they'll be angry at us completely failing to reign israel

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 3>In on a genocide. Probably not. They'll vote for Blue

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 3>no matter who.

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 2>We don't need it, of course, it's it's them who

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>gets blamed by cool.

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 3>That's not the only reason Harris lost, right, That's that

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 3>explains like one state. There's a bunch of reasons, but

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 3>the whole we're going we can we can get these people,

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, we can. We can break off a lot

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 3>of them because they're basically reasonable people. Doesn't work because

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 3>they're not. They're not. Their brains have been damaged by

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:16.239
<v Speaker 3>decades of propaganda, and the damage is permanent. Anyway, This

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 3>is good vibes, good vibes, the vibes anyway. I will

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 3>say there's a weird kind of comfort I get from

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 3>reading Hegseth's book, not because it's less awful or even

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 3>less homicidal than I'd feared, but because the it's validating.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 3>It's the conservatism I know, and it's the conservatism I

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 3>was raised inside put on full display, right, and in

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 3>a way that I think I really would encourage. I

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 3>found the free copy of this book online. By the way,

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 3>I didn't pay for it. If you just google full

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 3>text free you can find it too. I don't know

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the legal status of this, but it's not hard to find.

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 3>I want to get Democrats who think they can reach

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.240
<v Speaker 3>out to Republicans to read this book, because it really clearly,

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 3>it really points out like why it's that attempt is

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 3>so fundamentally doomed. Right Like anyway, there's another mask off moment,

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 3>a useful one later in the book, when Pete has

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 3>a chance to lay out the things he.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Had, A useful one.

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 3>A useful one, yes, Ok. Pete winds up in a

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 3>passage laying out the things he admires about Islam, and

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 3>this is part of he's still he's making the broader

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 3>case that it's an existential threat to Americans in freedom.

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 3>But he writes this, almost every single Muslim child grows

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 3>up listening to and learning to read from the Koran.

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Contrast this with our secular American schools, in which the

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Bible is nowhere to be found, and you'll understand why

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Muslim's worldview is more coherent than ours. First off, hmm,

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 3>not entirely inaccurate statement about the Muslim world, about schools

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 3>in the Muslim world, Like, yeah, that describes some people,

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. I guess I've just talked to

0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 3>more school teachers interact than Pete has, who co repeatedly

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>that they just didn't have books anymore, and they hadn't

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:03.879
<v Speaker 3>since Saddam left.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that was Pete's focus and around school teachers. Okay, So,

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's just more Christian fundamentalism that.

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Wow, they're all reading the Bible, they're all perfectly informed

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.760
<v Speaker 3>about their religion. They're constantly thinking about it, as opposed

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 3>to like, yeah, most Muslims are like most members of

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 3>any other religion where they're like, yeah, you know, on

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 3>the holiday or whatever, but like, I got shit to

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 3>do the rest of the time. You know, maybe I

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 3>get more serious about it if I get sick or something,

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 3>but like the people, yeah, they're people, right, they got

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 3>other shit going on. Pete goes on to argue that

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 3>the Islamic Holy books, and he describes the Islamic Holy

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 3>books as being the Koran and the Hadith, if reordered

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 3>and read chronologically, show in an exorable passage from peaceful

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 3>writing towards violence, right, that if you reorder all of

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 3>the different like the Islamic Holy texts, the Holy Books,

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 3>it re ordered them to read chronologically you'll that Islam

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 3>inherently moves towards violence.

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, and if you play the record, yeah, like

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>there couldn't be anything more conspiratorial, Like well if you

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:13.399
<v Speaker 2>like okay, and.

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like in this mirror Muhammad's own journey, right,

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 3>because Muhammad was like a military leader, right.

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 3>And basically the point he's making is that Islam inherently

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 3>leads to violence if you follow it honestly. Now, this

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 3>is interesting for a couple of reasons. For one, a

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 3>few chapters earlier, when he was talking about his friend

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Texas Omar, he'd made a big point that Omar is

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 3>a practicing Muslim and also one hundred percent American, which

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.360
<v Speaker 3>seems like it's not something that really should be possible

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 3>based on how heg Seth describes Islam here. But he's

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 3>also wrong about Islam a whole lot. Right. For one thing, again,

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 3>he states that the holy books of Islam are the

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Koran and the Hadith. The Hadith like, it's not a

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 3>it's not a title of a book, right, it's the

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 3>name for a collection of sayings attributed to the prophet

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Muhammad over a long period of time, right, And it's

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 3>not really it wouldn't be right to call it a

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 3>holy book of Islam. Right, It's certainly a text holy

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.959
<v Speaker 3>text in Islam, but it's not really a holy book

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 3>because there are holy books in the faith. Obviously, there's

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 3>the Koran. There's also the Taalat, which is the Torah,

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 3>and the Zabr, which is their book of Psalms, and

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 3>the last of these Islamic holy books is the angel

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 3>which is the New Testament. Right, these are all holy

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 3>books in the Muslim faith, right, But.

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 2>He forsakes three and it just adds one.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and he just doesn't really understand what the

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 3>hideths are that like, it's a collection of sayings. It's

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 3>not really a book in the traditional sense. Discussing Islamic

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 3>religious texts in a way that's accurate isn't something he

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 3>can do because then you have to acknowledge it, like,

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 3>oh wait, wait, the Torah is like venerated in Islam,

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 3>and so is the New Testament, even though they don't

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 3>believe Jesus was the Messiah. Well, then that makes the

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.720
<v Speaker 3>case that Islam's actually much more tolerant towards other faiths

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 3>than heg Seth wants to pretend. And he goes on

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 3>to note, quote, non Muslims paid a second class citizen tax,

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 3>convert to Islam or were killed, whichever way they submitted,

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 3>and like it is in fact true that there is

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 3>a tax that non Muslims are supposed to pay and

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 3>paid under the like the first Islamic empires, right, like

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 3>a specific tax for being like a not a member

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 3>of the faith. But also what he's leaving out here

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 3>is that, like this is a pretty significantly better deal

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 3>than you would get in Christendom as a non Christian.

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Like this is actually kind of like a big mark

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 3>of the relative tolerance of Islam during the period of

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 3>time where it was like this expanding empire, because once

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 3>if non believers were paying their tax, they enjoyed state protection. Right,

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 3>they're people of the book, and in fact there's commandments

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 3>against abusing people of the book. And I'm not going

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 3>to say it's perfect right, and obviously there's you do

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 3>you are not an equal citizen in like these early

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Muslim empires if you're Jewish or Christian, but you do

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 3>have rights, right, and you have a better deal than

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.839
<v Speaker 3>Muslims are going to get in Christendom, right, And often

0:48:59.880 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 3>we just talked about how after the Crusades stalled, crusaders

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.479
<v Speaker 3>just massacred Jewish communities in Europe, right, Like, you were

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 3>better off in a lot of cases being a Jew

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 3>in these Muslim like these areas dominated by these like

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 3>Islamic empires, then you would have been like in fucking

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 3>somewhere in Europe, right, Like, yeah, yeah.

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>You would always Europe.

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:26.240
<v Speaker 3>It's better to pay a tax and have some rights

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 3>than be tortured by the inquisition.

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, not a fair ask.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Again, I'm not trying to whitewash any of these

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Islamic empires. They're empires. They did some pretty terrible things,

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 3>like all empires do. I'm just saying, if you've got

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 3>to choose between being massacred by drunk peasant crusaders in

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>a pagram or like pay an attax, most people probably say,

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 3>pay the tax. It's a better deal.

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess. It's just I mean, it's so his like

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 2>binary thinking. It's every chapter so far has been like, well,

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 2>here's here's what I agree with, including a I am

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>increasingly convinced he made up.

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's also just like this whole obsession that they

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 3>all have with like European history, Western history, you know,

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 3>the great works of philosophy, you know, Plato and Aristotle, these,

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of great classic European think and Western thinkers.

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 3>We only have a lot of their writing because it

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 3>was preserved by Muslim scholars during the period which Christians

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 3>were destroying everything that was pre Christians. So anyway, again

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 3>not to whitewash any faith. All religions were all organized.

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Major religions, especially when they have armies, do nightmarish things,

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 3>and you can find plenty of horrible crimes committed like

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 3>the Honormans, you know, by the Umayids and the Opposites.

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 3>But right, you know, it's just the truth of the

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 3>matter is that for its day, like Islam was a

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 3>much more tolerant faith than Christianity, you know, at that

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:56.359
<v Speaker 3>period of time.

0:50:56.560 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>So which is interestingly demonstrated through the work and actions

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>of one Pete heg Seth.

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Of one Peter heg Seth. Yes, so right after this

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 3>paragraph he tries to do a minor mia culpa, and

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 3>he winds up being both historically wrong and committing heresy.

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 3>There's so much inaccurate in this next paragraph. I don't

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 3>know how to summarize it. So I'm just going to

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.480
<v Speaker 3>read it to you. First, prior to the Life and

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Teachings of Jesus in the New Testament, many of these

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 3>same things could have been said of the Bible in Christianity.

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.719
<v Speaker 3>The God of the Old Testament was violent, vengeful, and

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 3>very judgmental. But a key distinction makes these two Abrahamic

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 3>religions very different. The Koran has no New Testament, and

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 3>he goes on to argue that the lack of a

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 3>New Testament means Islam as centuries away from becoming a

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 3>civilized faith. Right that, Like, well, obviously, first off, there's

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.399
<v Speaker 3>again there's so much wrong here. First off, he says

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.400
<v Speaker 3>that like prior to the Life and Teachings of Jesus,

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:49.719
<v Speaker 3>many of these things could have been said of the

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.879
<v Speaker 3>Bible in Christianity. But there wasn't Christianity before the Life

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.880
<v Speaker 3>and Teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. What do

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 3>you mean prior what do you mean Christianity prior to that? Like?

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.799
<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about? Because he does he specifically doesn't, Right,

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.879
<v Speaker 3>the same things could have been said of like Judaism,

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 3>right that, Like, oh, before the New Testament, you know,

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 3>like the God of the Old Testament was violent, judgmental,

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 3>But no, he says, specifically before the life and teachings

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 3>of Jesus in the New Testament, this could have been

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:17.399
<v Speaker 3>set of Christianity in the Bible, which is like, first off, again, man,

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 3>you can't even get your own fucking religion right. And

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 3>second again, he says that the Koran has no New Testament,

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 3>and as we noted earlier, the New Testament is in

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 3>fact venerated in Islam, like right, and he.

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.439
<v Speaker 2>Just ignored it in his list of holy because it.

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Was again, they don't view Jesus as the Messiah, right,

0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 3>they don't believe the same things about it, But like

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 3>there is that is in the faith, right, Yeah, it's

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 3>just wrong to say that it's completely absent any point.

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Whether whether he actually knows this or not, it's just

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 2>like it's so clear that like this book is just

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>predicated on how poorly educated his his target audience is.

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 3>And it's this very common thing with conservatives that like

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Islam whatever is the most radical thing you can find

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.760
<v Speaker 3>that was ever written by a Muslim. That's what everyone

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.759
<v Speaker 3>believes and does at all times, as opposed to like, no,

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Islam's like Christianity and other religion where like, well,

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 3>you can find some awful things and people who are

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 3>like and that awful thing is exactly how you should

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.840
<v Speaker 3>act at all times. And you can also find some

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.359
<v Speaker 3>stuff that's not awful, and some people who say that, like, no,

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 3>the awful stuff's bullshit. You know this is in is

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 3>everyone just kind of picking and choosing what to believe

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 3>because it makes them more comfortable. Yes, that's what everyone

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 3>does with everything, Like that's that's how human beings are,

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.879
<v Speaker 3>with politics, with whatever, right I.

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Mean personally, my holy texts are are are titles like

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate, but it is interesting.

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Learning that is that is my religious text as well?

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about Installment number four, His Curving No, see,

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually I consider that like the Gnostic Gospels, like

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:56.200
<v Speaker 2>that's that's not canon.

0:53:56.320 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 3>After the we had our own Council of Nicia, which

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 3>was held in Atlantic City. To be honest, we didn't

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 3>really get around to deciding what was cannon we were

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:08.800
<v Speaker 3>We were mostly just partying.

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm very devout. I've I've read His Curvy Rejected Mate

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 2>forty times once.

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've memorized it like like like like Muslim students

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:22.879
<v Speaker 3>are supposed to memorize the Karan, yes, but like, yeah,

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.760
<v Speaker 3>there's there's lots of bullshit people like the common conservative

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 3>belief that like yeah, you just put pigs, you know,

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 3>pig fat on the bullets and then they can't go

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 3>to heaven. That's not part of Islam. Like that's just

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 3>you'd being racist. There's nothing that says if you you

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.879
<v Speaker 3>don't go to heaven, right, you're not You're even you're

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 3>allowed to eat pork in Islam if you're starving, right, Like,

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 3>none of these even within the text of the of

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:52.280
<v Speaker 3>the faith itself, like all of this, like during Ramadan

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 3>you're supposed to fast, but there's specific exemptions for like well,

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.440
<v Speaker 3>if you're in a desperate situation and dying, or if

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 3>you're fighting in a war, like if there's extenuating circumstances,

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to fast. You can eat and drink water.

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Because like even like during the earliest days of the faith,

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Mom was like, well, I don't want this to be

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 3>a straight jacket, right right, Yeah, but again you can't.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 3>There's no actual understanding of like how the faith is living.

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 3>It's just a bunch of like talking points that you

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 3>can use to demonize these people, right.

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's just like his whole platform depends on Yeah.

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, the wrongest part of that paragraph, and the thing

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 3>that I really recognized because my dad used to make

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 3>the same argument, is the idea that virtue was human

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 3>beings couldn't be good before Christianity. There weren't really good

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 3>people before the New Testament. It was impossible to truly

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 3>be ethical, right, Like my dad would talk a lot

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 3>about like, well, you know, ancient Greece and Rome were

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.439
<v Speaker 3>probably like the best societies possible prior to Christianity, right

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.560
<v Speaker 3>because they were you know, like it's this idea that

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 3>like decency was invented by Christians, and people just couldn't

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 3>be good before it.

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Yea, you could, you could be all right, that's such

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a weird like you know, scale to be on Like

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you could be okay, you could be all right, you

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 2>could inch towards goodness. But it wasn't until yeah.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't until Christianity that we really knew how to

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.400
<v Speaker 3>be good people. It just wasn't possible. And again, let's

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 3>go back to those drunken peasant crusaders who just decided

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 3>to massacre all the Jews in their neighborhood because they

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't have enough money for a boat to the fucking

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<v Speaker 3>Middle East.

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, really christ like behavior.

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jesus would have loved that. He hated his own people. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So Hegseeth attacks Islam for being quote not just a

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 3>religion but also a system of governance. And I find

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.839
<v Speaker 3>this really interesting, and he brings out sharia law as

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 3>the usual bugbear here. But the statements like this kind

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 3>of lack the teeth they used to have when you

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 3>live in twenty twenty five, because in the years since

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 3>publishing American Crusade, Hegseeth has become a direct advocate for

0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Christian control of the government and the supremacy of Christian

0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.880
<v Speaker 3>religious law over the lives of Americans, even those who

0:56:59.920 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 3>do not practice the faith. And he's done this. He's

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.920
<v Speaker 3>like talking about, like Islam's a system of government. That's wrong.

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Christianity also should be our system of government.

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:07.839
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 3>He's done all this while complaining about the injustice. This

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 3>is a big thing he winds about in later writings

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 3>that because he writes another book about fucking warrior ethos

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 3>shit that we'll talk about at some point. But in

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one, he gets like basically, I'm gonna quote

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 3>from the New York Times here. He has said that

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 3>he was barred from participating in the military security detail

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.640
<v Speaker 3>for President Biden's inauguration in twenty twenty one because of

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a tattoo on his chest depicting a Jerusalem cross, a

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 3>religious symbol that was also a symbol used by crusaders.

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Reuters and others reported that his tattoos, including the deis

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 3>volt motto that has been used by white supremacists, prompted

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 3>a fellow service member to flag mister Hegseth as a

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 3>potential insider threat. And first off, good work, fellow service member.

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 3>He was probably shouldn't have that guy near fucking Joe

0:57:54.400 --> 0:58:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Biden with a weapon, right, But he doesn't get fired,

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 3>but he claims that, like, well, this is why I

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 3>had to stop lead my military careers. I got sidelined

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 3>because they called me an extremist for simply being a

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Christian who has the exact same tattoos as the guys

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 3>who committed a series of hate crimes in Charlottesville.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sam Weird kicked him off of Wiki feet for

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<v Speaker 2>speaking truth to power, Like you're okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you know who will never get kicked off of Wiki.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet, the products and services robot.

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 3>No, they are the foundation of Wiki feet. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>send them pictures up your feet, be nice to them.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't check before you do it. Yeah, it should

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<v Speaker 2>be a nice surprise.

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let it be a surprise. We're back. We're

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 3>all sending feet picks to whoever sponsors the podcast. They're

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:55.760
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0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 3>that we have a Trump is the presidency again. Feet

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 3>picks are legal. You know that. You can use them

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 3>for currency, you can use things.

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<v Speaker 2>They can bathwater.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they count as assets if you're trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>a mortgage. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on wikifeet dot com. I think they have a

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's actually that's not a bad name. That's

0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 3>not a bad name.

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 2>You know what it was right there?

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<v Speaker 3>kudos for that.

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<v Speaker 2>They've updated their interface. Anyways, Okay, sorry, get to eat

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Heg Seth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's Pete Seth right, So continuing, Pete Hegg Seth's

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 3>book right after Uh talking about how awful Sharia law

0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.720
<v Speaker 3>is and how Islam is evil because it's a political

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 3>system as well as a religion. He writes, voting as

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.320
<v Speaker 3>a weapon, but it's not enough. We don't want to fight,

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 3>but like our fellow Christians one thousand years ago, we

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<v Speaker 3>must oh great again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, why you ain't got no alibi?

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<v Speaker 3>That's literally what he sat. So after the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>election ended with Joe Biden winning, and if you believe

1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Fete or Pete feet. If you believe Pete, his military

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<v Speaker 3>career ends shortly thereafter due to anti Christian persecution. He

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<v Speaker 3>moves his family to Tennessee, where they attend the Pilgrim

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<v Speaker 3>Hill Reformed Fellowship, which is part of the Communion of

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<v Speaker 3>Evangelical Churches, which is basically a denomination, right, It's like

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<v Speaker 3>an organization for a specific denomination of weird evangelicals. And

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<v Speaker 3>this sub denomination was founded by Idaho based pastor Doug Wilson.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you know anything about Idaho, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>there's no more sinister series of words in the English

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<v Speaker 3>language than Idaho based pastor. So about a month before

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<v Speaker 3>I put these episodes together, Politico described Doug Wilson as

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<v Speaker 3>quote the new rights favorite pastor. He is famous for

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that the Gospels give believers a stark choice quote

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<v Speaker 3>Christ or chaos, and he argues that up to this point,

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<v Speaker 3>America has choosen chaos. Quote reality is optional. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>you have people saying that a girl can be a

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<v Speaker 3>boy and a boy can be a girl. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that's how he really sounds. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 3>see why hegseeth is drawn to this motherfucker. American Crusade

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<v Speaker 3>is a book that advocates for Christian theocracy, and Wilson's

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<v Speaker 3>entire career for like half a century, has been dedicated

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<v Speaker 3>to per that Politico article, creating quote a comprehensive blueprint

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<v Speaker 3>for a spiritual and political reformation that would transform America

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<v Speaker 3>into a kind of Christian republic. And Wilson is the

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<v Speaker 3>real deal. He is a serious, lifelong, committed Christian fascist.

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<v Speaker 3>Pete is not the real deal. You know. You can

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<v Speaker 3>call him a Johnny come lately. Not that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he's a fascist, but like he is, he primarily

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<v Speaker 3>cares about himself and his own personal advancement as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to the cause. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even a positive thing. But he does care

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<v Speaker 2>about his own bottom line more than he cares about

1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the project of fascism. It sounds like this idahope his

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<v Speaker 2>pastor would really put a lot on the line for fascism.

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<v Speaker 2>But even the way that he's writing this book is

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<v Speaker 2>he's writing to meet the moment of the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>fascism you can get away with and still be viable

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<v Speaker 2>at the exact time this book comes out.

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<v Speaker 3>That is precisely what he's doing, right, which is why

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<v Speaker 3>he's more milk toast than present Pete in some sections,

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<v Speaker 3>because he just didn't think some of that stuff was acceptable. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's worth noting again, Wilson's written a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>books laying out a blueprint for how Christians should and

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<v Speaker 3>must take over the country and dominate violently everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Pete his book is not a blueprint, right, He's advocating

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<v Speaker 3>for the same things. He's clearly supportive, even though he says,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying violence, but we also literally need to

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<v Speaker 3>go to war, right, a literal crusade. Voting isn't enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but also no violence, right. You know, Pete's book is

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<v Speaker 3>not really giving a comprehensive blueprint right, because Pete is

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<v Speaker 3>not that smart and is not a strategic thinker. It

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<v Speaker 3>is your standard wanna be politician book right. It's meant

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<v Speaker 3>to stake out a place for its author in the

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:07.720
<v Speaker 3>movement by saying the right schibaletes. But the writing is

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<v Speaker 3>both lazy and shallow, and it provides no real implementation insight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just no ideas. It's just like Islamophobia for chapters.

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<v Speaker 3>It is scattered in somewhat desperate signposting for like pick me,

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<v Speaker 3>pick me, like me, like me right, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing, you know. Whereas Doug Wilson has spent his

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<v Speaker 3>whole adult life building an actual power base in Moscow, Idaho, where,

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<v Speaker 3>per Politico quote, Wilson overseas a network of allied institutions

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<v Speaker 3>that includes christ Church, a publishing house, a classic Christian

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<v Speaker 3>grade school, a Christian Liberal arts college, and a ministerial

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<v Speaker 3>training program. Beyond Moscow, the network of churches that Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>founded in the late nineteen nineties, called the Communion of

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<v Speaker 3>Reformed Evangelical Churches or CREC, has grown to include over

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and fifty congregations across four continents. An association

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<v Speaker 3>of classical Christian schools that Wilson co founded in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety three now counts over five hundred member schools across

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Hot. Okay, So he's so he's an effective.

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<v Speaker 3>He is an effective building and again not just in

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<v Speaker 3>it for himself and his own birth, like in it

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<v Speaker 3>to build a movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's very different from Pete. I would be shocked if

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<v Speaker 3>he really likes to respects the guy. But he's also

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<v Speaker 3>very smart. He knows how to use a guy like Pete. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And he's you know the fact that he before he

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<v Speaker 3>became the sec deaf, was seeing that this guy had

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<v Speaker 3>had the potential to go somewhere if Trump won again,

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<v Speaker 3>because like you know, especially after Trump got out, he

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<v Speaker 3>really gravitated to the people who were just complete toadies

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<v Speaker 3>and lickspittles, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And for this exact kind of guy exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And Wilson was smart enough to be like, this guy

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<v Speaker 3>might go somewhere. I should start getting in good with him, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And Wilson, this, this guy is so committed. Even during

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<v Speaker 3>the period of time in which evangelical like Christian nationalist

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<v Speaker 3>figures had to pretend they weren't, he would openly preach

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<v Speaker 3>his support for a theocracy. He has refused for years

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<v Speaker 3>to refer to the Civil War as anything but the

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<v Speaker 3>war between the States, and has described his personal politics

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<v Speaker 3>as slightly to the right of Jeb Stewart, a Confederate general.

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<v Speaker 2>Great cool, awesome, yardstick.

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<v Speaker 3>A nice stuff. So while head Seth was, by his

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<v Speaker 3>own admission, squishy for most of his adult life, Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>has been a howling committed fascist for decades. My interpretation

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<v Speaker 3>of their relationship behind the scenes is that Wilson recognized

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<v Speaker 3>hag Seth as a useful person who was desperate for

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<v Speaker 3>a place in the movement, and Wilson was happy to

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<v Speaker 3>give him that in exchange for having a future Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>of Defense on his side. We see the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>desperation Pete had to be involved with and feel like

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<v Speaker 3>a part of this movement despite his belated entrants in

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<v Speaker 3>chapter eight of his stupid book Secularism Deporting God from America,

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<v Speaker 3>which opens with the stunning paragraph Wow, what after deal?

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<v Speaker 3>After the election of Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most powerful things to happen to our country

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<v Speaker 3>and to me was the Christian conversion of the rapper

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye West Wait the conversion of a rapper was a

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<v Speaker 3>powerful movement in America in my life, yes it was.

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<v Speaker 3>At first, like many others, I was skeptical of his authenticity.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this a PR stunt? But when I watched Kanye

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<v Speaker 3>live and listen to his songs, I was convinced he

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<v Speaker 3>loves Jesus and wants to share him with the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Even better, he went all in, not content to live

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<v Speaker 3>a private life of faith in order to protect his

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<v Speaker 3>iconic image. What a shot of adrenaline for the home team.

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<v Speaker 3>If Kanye is with us, who can be against us.

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye is a changed man, but not a perfect man.

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<v Speaker 3>As often happens throughout history and in our country, the

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<v Speaker 3>imperfect people become the best messagers. I should note that

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<v Speaker 3>this was five years before Kanye would release his new

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<v Speaker 3>hit song Hyle Hitler.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow called it, called it, and he's now going by

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<v Speaker 2>ya ya yay, yes, no, no, no ya ya he

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<v Speaker 2>changed it again.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I missed that update, thank you, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped keeping that. That was funny. That was.

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye is on he can't lose, He'll never lose his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, which arguably like he already had.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, no, he's very.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an active crisis. Well, uh cool, so we've

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<v Speaker 2>got ever Clear and Kanye West.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, Kanye West, God my two heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know wow talk about building a coalition.

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<v Speaker 3>And putting together a team.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite part of that quoes when he said here

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<v Speaker 1>he what he when he's talking about how like he

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<v Speaker 1>he went, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Really do it? And You're like, yes, you're not broken, clock,

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<v Speaker 2>You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So we get another example after this of how

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<v Speaker 3>inconsistent Pete's own account of his own past is. Hag

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<v Speaker 3>Seth tries to draw comparison between kanye upbringing, which he

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<v Speaker 3>describes as rooted in good Christian values, in his own

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that faith in Jesus was front and center in

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<v Speaker 3>his childhood upbringing, which is the opposite of the claim

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<v Speaker 3>he's made more recently in that Christian magazine. Now we

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<v Speaker 3>can look at the actual things Pete claimed and say, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>you were always raised to be the guy you are.

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<v Speaker 3>At no point did secular society step in to force

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<v Speaker 3>you to stop being religious. At no point did you

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<v Speaker 3>have anything but like complete support for being the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of right wing Christian nationalist weirdo that you are from

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<v Speaker 3>our society.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like he's he's so committed to this conception

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<v Speaker 2>he has of himself. Yeah, but the more we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, the more I'm like, you know what you're described.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like technically less compelling, but it makes him seem

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<v Speaker 2>more competent than he is of like I was like

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<v Speaker 2>born to occupy this role. I feel like that is

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<v Speaker 2>an equally compelling narrative that he's just too insecure to

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<v Speaker 2>even admit. Right, Yeah, like I was born to be

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<v Speaker 2>a far right like yeah fails sun that rises the

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<v Speaker 2>power that seems to be true?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean yes, that is like you were crafted

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<v Speaker 3>in a lab to be this exact shithead. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>nothing about our society did anything but encourage it. So

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<v Speaker 3>in the next segment of the book, he claims to

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<v Speaker 3>be self aware of his sinful nature, and he says this,

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<v Speaker 3>without knowing, fearing, and recognizing God, I would be like

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<v Speaker 3>a ship lost at sea, wrecked and sunk. You get

1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:26.800
<v Speaker 3>wrecked plenty as it is, buddy, And trust me, I

1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:29.040
<v Speaker 3>have almost been sunk more times than I can admit

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<v Speaker 3>on these pages. Yeah you have. I've only seen forty

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<v Speaker 3>short years on this earth, and I've been divorced twice,

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<v Speaker 3>almost gone bankrupt once and been deployed with a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of toxically max feel and dudes thrice one tour of

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<v Speaker 3>one tour of which included a war crimes controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he's so controversy. He's so oppressed, you

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<v Speaker 2>guysse about it. I think, you know, really brave of

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<v Speaker 2>him to call the American military toxic masculine.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he may. He's making fun of the left here, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the point of it. But it's also very

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<v Speaker 3>fun to be like, yeah, there was a war crimes controversy. Like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>per your own claims to the New Yorker, you complained

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<v Speaker 3>that you were scared your unit was going to commit

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<v Speaker 3>war crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well two nine. Pete can't come to the phone, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he can.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, he notes in this that there's there's too much

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<v Speaker 3>to write about in terms of his like sins and failings.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't. I can't actually go into all that detail,

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<v Speaker 3>right Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, legally, yeah, he probably can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Legally he shouldn't, but we can, Jay Jimmy Loftus, we

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely can. Yeah, So let's talk about the allegations against

1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Pete hag seth are sexual assault. We've already heard about

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<v Speaker 3>all of his drinking and carousing and spending the money

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<v Speaker 3>from his different charities in order to party and pursue women,

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<v Speaker 3>and repeated claims in that whistleblower report that he and

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<v Speaker 3>others sexually harassed women who worked for the orgs that

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<v Speaker 3>he was at. Now, that all existed prior to Pete's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, getting nominated to be the Secretary of Defense.

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<v Speaker 3>But then once it became clear that he was Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>pick for sec def, a new set of allegations kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hit the public. And these these went back to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen when Pete Hegseeth was at a hotel for

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<v Speaker 3>like a I think it was like some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a work conference. It was a Republican women's conference. And

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<v Speaker 3>he met, yes, he did, he did. He met a

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<v Speaker 3>woman known as you know, Jane Doe for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>legal obvious purposes. He met this Jane Doe at the

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<v Speaker 3>conference and they talked. Other people who were there were

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<v Speaker 3>call them having a loud argument at one point, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of unclear like precisely what happened, but they

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<v Speaker 3>were both drinking. They had a loud argument around one

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<v Speaker 3>thirty am, which prompted an employee to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys need to like quiet down, and heg Seth

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<v Speaker 3>responded by cursing at the employee and saying I got

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<v Speaker 3>freedom speach, and then the.

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<v Speaker 2>James Patriot even at his slowest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then per npr Dough then intervened, telling the

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<v Speaker 3>employee that they were Republicans and apologized for heg Seth's behavior. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I love I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the shorthand for a drunken argument. And no, no, no, no, officer,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't understand. We're Republicans. We're supposed to act this way.

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<v Speaker 3>And because of the lawsuit that comes later, we have

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<v Speaker 3>this woman's texts from that night, and some of them

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<v Speaker 3>she like one of them. She says he wears a

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<v Speaker 3>ring on his pointer finger. It creeps me out. Like

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<v Speaker 3>these messages, they're pretty There's one. I'm just gonna read

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<v Speaker 3>the message chain. Do you know Pete Hegseeth? She asks,

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<v Speaker 3>name sounds familiar. Who is he? He's a Fox contributor.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess he does Outnumbered and Fox and Friends. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>our ladies are freaking drooling over him. Oh okay, he

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<v Speaker 3>is TDB light Mini TDB. Oh you mean the man

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<v Speaker 3>who tried to have sex with my wife. Not a

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<v Speaker 3>good first impression for Pete, right, So they're talking about like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy's a he's trying to like fuck everybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and she says that he creeps him out. Later in

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<v Speaker 3>the evening, Doe told investigators that she saw heg Seth

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<v Speaker 3>rubbing women's legs and quote giving off a creeper vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>She recalls because she is drinking too. She recalls that

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<v Speaker 3>the argument that they had was that she got angry

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<v Speaker 3>at him for repeatedly touching women at the conference, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they have this loud argument and Doe remembers heg

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<v Speaker 3>Seth saying I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then quote from NPR, Doe said that the next

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<v Speaker 3>memory she had was when she was in an unknown room.

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<v Speaker 3>This is from the police report. Doe did not know

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<v Speaker 3>where she was or how she got to the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Heg Seth was in the room with her, so this

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<v Speaker 3>is she blacks out. Presumably I think she had it.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe she had a talk screen because she goes

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<v Speaker 3>to the police, but I don't know. It may not

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<v Speaker 3>have been soon enough that would have shown if there

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<v Speaker 3>was something else in her drink, but you know, blacking

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<v Speaker 3>out is anyway. She winds up.

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<v Speaker 2>Refer to Pete's previous writing on the subject.

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<v Speaker 3>And she she says, I do recall saying no to

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<v Speaker 3>him repeatedly, right, And you know, she eventually files a

1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:12.360
<v Speaker 3>sexual assault claim against him, right, that he sexually assaulted her. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>He maintains that any physical interaction was consensual. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be surprised if he was blacked out too, given his

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<v Speaker 3>own Like, I don't know what memory Pete actually has

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<v Speaker 3>of this. But ultimately, the police do not wind up

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<v Speaker 3>prosecuting this because they say they don't have enough evidence

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<v Speaker 3>to go on, and hag Seth settles out of court

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<v Speaker 3>with her in a civil suit. He pays her fifty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars as part of a and makes her sign

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<v Speaker 3>a confidentiality agreement. It's just like perdocuments obtained by CNN.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is just fucking vile. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>surprising at all that it didn't move forward, but the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it went far enough that she had to

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<v Speaker 2>submit her text. I mean, were there like kids done

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, Like I that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think like I think by the time

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<v Speaker 3>because she didn't initially want to report it at all,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's the case it often takes long enough that

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<v Speaker 3>like you don't get as early as you need for

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of screens. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a really interesting book. I was just randomly

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<v Speaker 2>recommend it, but I just finished it last week called

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<v Speaker 2>The Secret I think it's called The Secret History of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rave Kit, and it's really good of just like

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<v Speaker 2>how how much technology there is there that is just

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<v Speaker 2>not used. But in any case, that's I mean not

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<v Speaker 2>surprising at all that they didn't move forward with the case,

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<v Speaker 2>but just the idea of like, well, what does constitute

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<v Speaker 2>enough enough evidence quote unquote, like and I know it

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<v Speaker 2>varies from state to state too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it does. And I got to read in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of because again Pete makes the statement that like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a bad guy, but like he's he's basically

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<v Speaker 3>pretending and like the bad stuff is I wasn't enough

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<v Speaker 3>of an outright fascist, right, Like yeah, that's like mostly

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of claim that he's making is that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I imperfect because like I wasn't as big a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of shit as I am today. As a result of that,

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<v Speaker 3>as a result of Pete being like you know I've

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<v Speaker 3>almost been sunk more times than I can admit on

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<v Speaker 3>these pages. I want to read one more quote about

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<v Speaker 3>some of the sins that Pete leaves awe out in

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<v Speaker 3>his Mia culpa. Okay, this is from The New Yorker's

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<v Speaker 3>article Pete heg Seth's Secret History. Hag Seth appeared in

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<v Speaker 3>October twenty seventeen as a dinner speaker at the California

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<v Speaker 3>Federation of Republican Women's fortieth Biennial Convention in Monterey, California.

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<v Speaker 3>His personal life was in tumult. In twenty ten, he

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<v Speaker 3>had married a second time to Samantha Dering, a coworker

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<v Speaker 3>at That's for Freedom. He admitted in an essay that

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<v Speaker 3>year that he had fathered a child out of wedlock

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<v Speaker 3>before marrying her. At The Times reported then in August

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty seventeen, Well, still married to Deering, he fathered

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<v Speaker 3>a daughter with another woman, a producer at Fox, Jennifer Rausche,

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<v Speaker 3>who he eventually married in twenty nineteen. As he Endearing

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<v Speaker 3>wrangled their way through a difficult as The Times first reported,

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<v Speaker 3>his mother, Penelope Hegxeth, sent him an email excoriating him

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<v Speaker 3>as an abuser of women. Who belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around,

1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:11.000
<v Speaker 3>and uses women for his own power and ego. She

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<v Speaker 3>admonished him get some help and take an honest look

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<v Speaker 3>at yourself. That say his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, well that's what I call good business consulting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's oh my god, I mean that's his fucking mother,

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<v Speaker 3>like Jesus nic anyway. Yeah, I just love it when

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, oh, you know, I'm imperfect, but God uses

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<v Speaker 3>imperfect people. It sounds a lot better than like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a real fucking piece of shit, Like I am

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<v Speaker 3>a gigantic who does not at all live consistently with

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<v Speaker 3>my stated values. I violate every rule God set for

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<v Speaker 3>human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>On a weekly basis, on.

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<v Speaker 3>A constant basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is interesting, like he's presenting like even as

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<v Speaker 2>like a piece of effective propaganda. This bo is a

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<v Speaker 2>fair because it's so inconsistent with like who does he

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<v Speaker 2>want to be perceived as? You know, like it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he'll say he'll switch the narrative from moment

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<v Speaker 2>to moment depending on what is the most effective thing here,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to like the most? What makes

1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:15.320
<v Speaker 2>me look the coolest? Which varies from chapter to chapter,

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<v Speaker 2>like in this he's a wounded bird who had to like,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another one's he's a born warrior because Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>like that slid out of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just uh, it's awesome. It's good shit, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah, the allegation together, it's like even, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's unfortunately, is like a pretty standard allegation for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy like this. And of course it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>means nothing not to mention the civilian jets. I like, well,

1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:44.880
<v Speaker 2>this guy rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna wrap up here. The second to the

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<v Speaker 3>last chapter, though, I should note is chapter thirteen is

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<v Speaker 3>called the front Lines Education in Israel, and it's ninety

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<v Speaker 3>percent of it is about how evil the education system is.

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<v Speaker 3>Pete is like, you can't send your kids to colleges

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<v Speaker 3>because you're fun the enemy. You should destroy literally burn

1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:08.519
<v Speaker 3>your own like graduation certificate or whatever, like, and he

1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.479
<v Speaker 3>goes he will later, he doesn't do it. Now. He

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<v Speaker 3>says like, oh, I'm going to destroy my diplomas from

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<v Speaker 3>Princeton Anne Harvard right as a protest, which he does.

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<v Speaker 3>He destroys. He claims to have mailed sent back his

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<v Speaker 3>Harvard diploma years later as a result of woke. But like,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't actually do that immediately. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 3>he actually did that at all. It might just be.

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<v Speaker 2>That story is Israel as omar from Texas, as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>After complaining that like college is evil, because this is

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<v Speaker 3>the whole theme of this chapter, is that like college

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<v Speaker 3>is evil because of what it makes Americans think about Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>So after several pages of branding about colleges, he writes,

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<v Speaker 3>you might ask, what in the world does the state

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<v Speaker 3>of Israel have to do with any of this? I

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<v Speaker 3>live in the United States. Why is Israel the front line?

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<v Speaker 3>And of course the answer to that is that Israel

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<v Speaker 3>is quote central to the story of Western civilization, of

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<v Speaker 3>which America is the greatest manifestation. Pete advises everyone to

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<v Speaker 3>watch a bunch of prigger you videos about Israel's history,

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<v Speaker 3>and then goes through summarizes Israeli history and like a

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<v Speaker 3>page and neatly leaves out the Palestinians completely right, Like

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<v Speaker 3>there's just nobody there. It's like that's not a factor

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<v Speaker 3>in the story at all. It He celebrates the beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>army Israel has and talks about their unmatched standard of living,

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<v Speaker 3>something that might surprise people in Gaza and says that

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<v Speaker 3>because Israel is such a great place to live, that's

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<v Speaker 3>why American crusaders have to fight for it as strongly

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<v Speaker 3>as they fight for the United States. Pete ends the

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<v Speaker 3>chapter with these lines, with the front lines identified, Let's

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<v Speaker 3>put a full on American crusade into action. And the

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<v Speaker 3>last chapter is just titled make the Crusade Great Again.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not really it's just a rehash of shit he

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<v Speaker 3>said previously in the book. This chapter is not necessary

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not really worth getting into other than this

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<v Speaker 3>line near the end. The American crusade can be one,

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<v Speaker 3>but not through negotiation. Stale thinking and bipartisan consensus have

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<v Speaker 3>betrayed us. This moment requires a total commitment to victory,

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<v Speaker 3>which includes co opting the successful tactics the left has

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<v Speaker 3>used for years. We must be smart, tough, proactive, and bold. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>that's Pete in his stupid book. I hope everyone had.

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<v Speaker 2>A week going going out on a chapter at Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I didn't expect better, but Jesus fucking And

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<v Speaker 2>then he wrote another book called The War on Warriors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that one day. That's his

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<v Speaker 3>book about Yeah, how America like we don't make people

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<v Speaker 3>want to be violent enough, right, like we we shamelan

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<v Speaker 3>for killing and stuff and like yeah, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 3>just we'll get into it one of these days. But no,

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<v Speaker 3>rush rushay not.

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking hated every second of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, so so an average episode.

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<v Speaker 3>There a normal episode of Behind the Bastards. Yes, this

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<v Speaker 3>was meant to be like an easier week for me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I still wound up having to do a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of research because God, there's just you can't just not

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the reality of Pete when you're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>like what he claims about himself.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I mean one thing I was I mean

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily surprised about. But there's so many approaches to

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of book and he approaches and I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>how much of it is just legal But like he

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<v Speaker 2>says stunningly little about himself while also presenting no ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really just racism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just racism. And you know, like callow self interest, right,

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to be a big man, an important man.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all that really matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the cover. Yeah, I was like, you could

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like glean the contents of the book by

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the cover. It's a book by a deeply

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<v Speaker 2>insecure man who's about to get an undue amount of power.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Ah, God, we love it when deeply insecure men

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<v Speaker 3>get great amounts of power that they absolutely are not

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<v Speaker 3>prepared to wield.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the American tradition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the American tradition. So go out take power for

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<v Speaker 3>yourself and then get corrupt and you know, destroy huge

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<v Speaker 3>swaths of the human race. You know, that's my challenge

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<v Speaker 3>to all of you listeners. Go take power somewhere in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, become corrupted by it, and you know, send

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<v Speaker 3>us further down the slalom to complete collapse.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll all say, is Michigan, don't believe what you've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a good person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and let her into your corner store hand or

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<v Speaker 3>an acts. It's safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying you could and you would be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely safe. For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to be welcomed in your borders and in

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<v Speaker 2>due time, but I understand the healing is only just begun.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Well, you got anything to plug?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I should plug my Cool Zone Media Podcast, sixteenth

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<v Speaker 2>steal it. It's fine. I don't think I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>get any royalties. Yeah, and yeah, that's what I get.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think you are royalty, Jamie, Queen of podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's way better than what you usually call me, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a murderer. So I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Look name a queen. It wasn't a murderer, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so true. Okay, I take it back, I take it.

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