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Speaker 2: All right, listeners, update.

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Speaker 1: I went over to Elizabeth the not so Dying Squirrel,

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Speaker 1: and she's scurried.

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Speaker 3: Away and welcome to behind the bastards.

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Speaker 2: But to the sipe, yeah, what a funk off.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna do a good You're gonna do a normal intro.

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Speaker 3: Some of us professional someone.

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Speaker 1: Just to say, maybe I was right not to smash

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Speaker 1: her with a rock and to feel sadness on the inside,

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Speaker 3: To evaluate her with myself. So I just said, if

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Speaker 3: she's suffering, you should smash her with the rock. That's

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Speaker 3: the humane thing to do.

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Speaker 2: You know, Well, in that case, I mean smash We're

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Speaker 2: we're all suffering in a.

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Speaker 3: Way, and are we not all praying.

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Speaker 2: For begging to be smashed the rock?

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Speaker 3: At the end of the.

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Speaker 1: I hope Elizabeth and not so dying squirrel scurried away

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Speaker 1: and now is like.

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Speaker 3: You know, I hope she's fine now an acorn if

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Speaker 3: you're not. If something's not fine, you always have rocks.

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Speaker 3: A big enough rock can stop anyone's pain. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's about rock.

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Speaker 1: I always have my phone that can call you who

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Speaker 3: I've got thoughts. I got so many rocks.

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Speaker 2: I'm not throwing a rock at Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: You don't throw the rock. That's not nearly like. That's

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Speaker 3: the odds of you missing and just injuring the animal.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's just inhumane.

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Speaker 2: Carry I've been carrying around the same rock for for

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Speaker 2: twenty years, and I'm shocked. I'm shocked how easy it

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Speaker 2: is to get a rock onto I mean, I mean, Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: You're very experienced killing, like we've we've established that on

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Speaker 2: Start this shit again, Okay, listen, I can't afford this anymore.

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Speaker 2: This has followed me. I just got back from my

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Speaker 2: book tour and these accusations have followed me around the country.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. I've been yeah, yeah for those

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Speaker 3: for those deaths, and fuck what was the town I

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Speaker 3: made up? You killing people?

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Speaker 2: And oh my god, I can't forget. I can't at

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Speaker 2: me all the time. Unbelievable. There's so many people who like,

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Speaker 2: I've signed a book and then they've leaned in conspiratorially

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Speaker 2: and said, I'm okay with what you did in Grand Rabbids.

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Speaker 2: You know there's sickos.

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Speaker 3: We're manufacturing consent so that when you do have to

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Speaker 3: kill somebody, everyone's like, it's fine for Jamie to do this.

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Speaker 2: This is a psychological experiment.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you a get it out of jail free

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Speaker 2: Look, and now I feel like I shouldn't even say it, Like,

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Speaker 2: but how easy it's.

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Speaker 3: Take out the jewelry pool. It's gonna be like a

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Speaker 3: fucking Luigi situation. She must have had a reason.

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Speaker 2: Look in his defense, I mean, Louis. The Luigi defense

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Speaker 2: is you're honored? Will we put this hotty behind bars?

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Speaker 2: I think not Rod, He's too He's just simply too.

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Speaker 2: Are you not foaming? Are you not foaming? Come on,

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Speaker 2: I just I've been bringing I've gotten a rock, like

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Speaker 2: a rock that could proble probably do some damage through

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Speaker 2: like airport security all the time. It's really just.

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Speaker 3: Because the rocks don't set off the metal detectors. I

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Speaker 3: don't think there's specifically a rule against taking a rock

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Speaker 2: You know, I can I can confirm you will not

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm a company money to book like

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Speaker 3: twenty different flights in the course of like two weeks

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Speaker 2: the rule that I can't have a rock on a plane.

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Speaker 2: It's a souvenir you can't.

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Speaker 3: It's a souvenir rock from wherever I found it. So, Jamie,

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Speaker 3: this has all been fun. You know, it's not going

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Speaker 3: to be fun with the rest of the Returning to

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Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth's Fascist Manifesto.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe. I've thought for sure we were you

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Speaker 2: were finishing the book, but it was just starting.

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Speaker 3: No. No, there's so many there's almost a normal book's

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Speaker 3: number of words in this book, or roughly a normal

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're they're like, really, you know, pamphlety.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, actually I happen to agree. You know,

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Speaker 3: is Pete Hegseth's Raw Dog, which, since it came out

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Speaker 3: a couple of years before your book, was a weird

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Speaker 3: publishers who commune regularly with the sacred spirits of the

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Speaker 3: Oracle of Delphi have been awaiting your book for generations.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it. Look, I realized that it was

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Speaker 2: fulfilling your prophecy of sorts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are references to Raw Dog, and oh fuck,

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Speaker 3: it was going to be a great joke. I forgot

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Speaker 3: the name of the oldest story ever, fuck with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the oldest like proper no idea, not novel.

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Speaker 3: Gilgames Gilgamesh, God damn it, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what were you what were you gonna say,

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Speaker 3: Of I was going to say there were references to

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Speaker 2: It's okay. I fact checked it for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Sophie, Jesus Christ. Oh God.

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Speaker 2: Technically it was a poem, but you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's a poem. Whatever, it counts. Just like Pete Ra

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Speaker 3: raw Dog, Yeah, the American Crusade.

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking how funny it would be if,

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Speaker 3: We really don't know where she's gonna go. Actually, this

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a I think some of my policies are

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Speaker 3: I know, and you do spend there is that weird

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Speaker 2: Think that when you read it it sounds out of context,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly it.

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Speaker 3: So we're now seven minutes in. Pete's next chapter is

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Speaker 3: called twenty twenty Death, Divorce or Dawn, which I do love,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a dick and a fascist. Anyway, his

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Speaker 3: The reason why they've been able to go from this

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Speaker 3: The reason he brings this up is it fits established narrative, right.

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Speaker 3: And obviously Pete's documented history shows this. This is a

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Speaker 3: So one thing I do believe is when Pete asserts

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Speaker 3: Obviously, right, It's beautiful stuff. So in his book years later,

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Speaker 3: The Pete Hegseath, who wrote American Crusade in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Some of the evidence there might not be much more.

438
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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of his evidence, the evidence from his time

439
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: in the service paints an image of a man less

440
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: convinced than his present iteration of like a lot of

441
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 3: the fascist stuff. He's gone on record about his upbringing

442
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: in a Christian home, but in keeping with the traditional

443
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Speaker 3: reborn and the spirit evangelical narrative, it's clear he doesn't

444
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Speaker 3: consider he will now claim that like young Pete wasn't

445
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Speaker 3: really a believer, right, not the way I am right

446
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: as a kid, I wasn't really I didn't. I wasn't

447
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Speaker 3: really committed to.

448
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Speaker 2: Christ, you know, right, Well, it sounds like, yeah, there's

449
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Speaker 2: a difference between growing up in a religious household and

450
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Speaker 2: like enacting and being religious.

451
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's more because, as we'll talk about,

452
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Speaker 3: the evidence suggests he was very religious and always has been.

453
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Speaker 3: It's more, if you are talking to an evangelical audience,

454
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: there is an expectation that you will give your narrative

455
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: of like your own personal journey to faith has to

456
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: be a hero's journey. So it can't just be I've

457
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: always been religious and always been great. It has to

458
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: be like, no, I rejected God. I was living this

459
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Speaker 3: a moral life of the flesh. I used to be

460
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: up pill popper, tripper high rise and then lows sliding,

461
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 3: popping heads and busting reds, kicking in doors and banging whores.

462
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 3: But then I got a man who was hung up

463
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Speaker 3: from my hang ups. You know, it's gotta be that

464
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 3: kind of thing, right.

465
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Speaker 2: It's still talk of the dome, Robert No.

466
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Speaker 3: I stole that from the movie Margo, which I talked

467
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Speaker 3: about a lot on.

468
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Speaker 2: This show often. That's terrific.

469
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Speaker 3: It's beautiful stuff.

470
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful stuff, really really good.

471
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Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth has claimed in a recent interview with the

472
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Speaker 3: Nashville Christian Family that his parents were Baptist, but quote,

473
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Speaker 3: my home life was not political, but it was very

474
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Speaker 3: faith and family based. Now, again, this is nonsense. This

475
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: is a common sentiment from people who are raised in

476
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Speaker 3: very right wing environments that my upbringing wasn't political because

477
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: conservatism is just common sense, you know, it's not politics,

478
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: just common sense. It's like Christianity's not a religion. It's

479
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: just the truth, right.

480
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Speaker 2: Which I still think is more commonly accepted, like it

481
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Speaker 2: across the board than it should be.

482
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Speaker 3: No, and it's one thing I'll give because I have

483
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Speaker 3: a lot of issues with my parents and the conservatism

484
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: I was raised with. But they never said we were a.

485
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: Politically they were are.

486
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: We are very political right wingers, right. That was always

487
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 3: my parents' attitude. So at least there's that, right. I

488
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: just have no respect for this. So I wasn't political. Yeah,

489
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: my parents donated exclusively to Republicans, and like, I edited

490
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: a Republican newspaper in college, and we went to church

491
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Speaker 3: three times a week. But I wasn't really religious, you know.

492
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Speaker 3: So Pete first gave his life to Christ as a teenager,

493
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Speaker 3: but would complain after the fact that his public school

494
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Speaker 3: was secular, right, and kind of blamed that, like, oh,

495
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: you know, I give him my life to Christ, but

496
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: I still wasn't really Christian because of my public school. Quote,

497
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Speaker 3: it's fair to say I had a Christian veneer, but

498
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: a secular cores and thought I was ready to go

499
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 3: out into the world and prof and profess Christ. I wasn't.

500
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: And the reality is he didn't have any interest in

501
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: doing that, right, Neither it is he now. But he

502
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: was interested in getting rich and being successful, right, because

503
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 3: he's a rich kid and he wanted to content. He

504
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: wanted to do the thing that rich kids do, which

505
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: is get into finance and get richer. Right.

506
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Speaker 2: Barrister's what a pick I do It's so funny because

507
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: like the the narrative you're describing that he wants to

508
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: apply to himself, like it is kind of available to

509
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: him where he, you know, like lived a whether he

510
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: wants to admit it or not. A very real but yeah, right,

511
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: But you'd have to be willing to stop doing that

512
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: in order to have the narrative. So he's got to

513
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: make one up.

514
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's got to make one up. And you

515
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: know what else we have to make up? What for

516
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: all of the people listening to this podcast for free

517
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: by going to ads right now? You sickos, you freaks,

518
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: you monsters. You I don't know, he roes. I love

519
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: you and we're back. You know, every time I say

520
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: I love you to the listeners, I'm thinking about one

521
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 3: specific listener, and it might be you, you don't know.

522
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: But everyone else I don't love. In fact, I hate,

523
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: and I'm actively working to sabotage. But one of you,

524
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: one of you I love. You're always in my thoughts.

525
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: You're the only thing that I care about, you know, everything.

526
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: Every time I hear you speak to your listeners, I'm

527
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: reminded that uh parasocial relationship could also be based in antagonism,

528
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: and it's oh, I've read the book.

529
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the bible of how to be a

530
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: good podcast game gold Leaf?

531
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Speaker 2: Did you know there's a gold Leaf like version of

532
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: that book?

533
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: Why it's about it?

534
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: I know, I know this one.

535
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: It's like him and the guy who first came up

536
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: with the alpha wolf concept, just like, oh, man, I

537
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: I really this thing that made me famous and noteworthy

538
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: was a real mistake.

539
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: This thing that made me millions and millions of dollars.

540
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 3: I fucked up. I fucked up.

541
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: And then the humiliating pivot you get. Whereas the guy

542
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: who wrote the game, I think, Neil Neil Strass just

543
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: like we're just st gonna freaking love my wife.

544
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah forget, I'm happy. Yeah, like like I just trid out.

545
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: This made me miserable, and loving and respecting a woman

546
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: is made me happy.

547
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: I'm glad he knows he's wrong. But I'm also like, uh,

548
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: stop publishing book a.

549
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: Little faster, man. Maybe yeah, maybe you don't write any

550
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: more books. Maybe you think I feel differently about the

551
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: wolf guy, right, he really was just trying to do

552
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: good wolf research and just a just a fuck up.

553
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's not his fault. Like he didn't try

554
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: to be like I'm gonna make alpha wolf a thing.

555
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: He was just describing wolf behavior, and weirdos ran with it.

556
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not as familiar with his trajectory. He

557
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: was literally just talking about wolves.

558
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. The concept of the alpha wolf developed

559
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: from this wolf scientist who was studying wolves in captivity

560
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: and describing their hierarchy. I've read, yeah, and then and

561
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: then it turns out that like, actually in the wild

562
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: there's like alpha wolf behavior does we don't see it

563
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: because like it's not really evolutionarily beneficial. It's a thing

564
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: that happens when wolves are put in an unnatural situation. Basically,

565
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: it's a thing that happens in wolf prison, not in

566
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: the wild. Right, And he has spent the rest of

567
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: his career being like, no, the alpha will fit, Like

568
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: it's wrong. It's not a concept in anything. It's certainly

569
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: not a concept for humans. Like, stop talking about alpha's

570
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: you dicks. It's a bummer, yeah, speaking of alpha's eth

571
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: real real alpha male.

572
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Looking for this. But the day of this book, I

573
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: saw a friend from college like a year ago, and

574
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: I was like puting up to She's like I'm getting

575
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: really into like wolf's smut, which was not the answer

576
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: I was expecting.

577
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: No, No, that's probably just straight up pornography.

578
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but otherwise she was she was doing really well.

579
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a part of it. But she

580
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: she like recommended a book and I listened to it

581
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: for a while, and you know, if this is your thing,

582
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: go with God. But I was like, oh my god,

583
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: there's First of all, there's so much. There's so many

584
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: of them. It was one of those like the Bodyguard's

585
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Wife's Accountant type titles. I'm going to find it. Keep hegsathing,

586
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to find this. So, you know.

587
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 3: Pete claims obviously that like, yeah, he was secular at

588
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: his core, he just had a Christian veneer I have.

589
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: The reality is that, you know, he's always been pretty

590
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 3: religiously far right and politically far right, but he was

591
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: as a young man just wanted money, right, Like that's

592
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: all he really gave a shit about. He claims that

593
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: the first thing that starts to radicalize him towards Christian nationalism.

594
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: As a class he takes at Princeton on Christianity quote

595
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: taught by an atheist famous for studying the Gnostic Gospels,

596
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: the proph belief Jesus died was buried at a shallow

597
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: grave and was eaten by dogs. I realized I was

598
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: not prepared to combat such thinking, and went to the

599
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: library to read dusty books that pointed to and explained

600
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: the veracity of the Gospels. Defending my faith became an

601
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: academic endeavor because I sensed faith in the Bible were.

602
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: Good and eaten by dogs, eaten by dogs.

603
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: Like, seriously, I get like, obviously, there's a very strong

604
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: arge be made that, Like, well, the Jesus of the

605
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: Bible was one that was probably conflating a couple of

606
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: different actual guys who are like Messianic guys who claimed

607
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,239
Speaker 3: they were the Messiah wandering around the Holy Land in

608
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: that period, right, like eaten by dogs? How would you

609
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: even prove that? Why would that be an argument that

610
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: a professor would make it? And it was definitely eaten

611
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: by dogs.

612
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: And why would this be the first we're hearing of it,

613
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: that is, speaking of dogs? Though I have got the

614
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: name of the wolf porn.

615
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: I was, Oh, thank god, the audience has been on

616
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: the edge of their fucking seats for.

617
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: This, And if this is your thing, I like, I

618
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: don't want to hear more about it, but I respect it.

619
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: Here is the name of the book that I read,

620
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: part of the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate, which is one

621
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: word too many, but it's got three points.

622
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: It's a long title.

623
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: It's got like we have similar scores on good Reads. Okay,

624
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: the Air, followed by the Air apparents rejected Mate, followed

625
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: by the Lone Wolf's Rejected Mate.

626
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: Oh, real, rejected mate. Fetish going on? Here is what

627
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: I'm reading.

628
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about Well, what is about is like

629
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: falling in love with a with a fuck ass wolf

630
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: who kind of is nagging you. There's a lot that's

631
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: how I would refer to, Okay, the Tyrant Delpha, but

632
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: you could also easily call the Tyrant Delpha a fuck

633
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: ass wolf.

634
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, that scans. So there's no real evidence for

635
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: any of what he's claiming about his fucking professor here,

636
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: or the fact that you know, he starts doing serious

637
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Bible research that proves the historical I don't think he

638
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: does any research. Right. Again, He's raised to believe this shit,

639
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: and it like funds fuels his narcissistic sense of superiority.

640
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: He's always fitt in here, right, This is just the

641
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: explanation he has to give in the book because, as

642
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: I stated, evangelicals expect a certain kind of narrative.

643
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: That's also yeah, for lack of a better like, he

644
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: needs to be not like other girls for this narrative

645
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: to work.

646
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again, his initial goal is to get rich,

647
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: and then the global War on Terror gets in the

648
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: way and Pete winds up gravitating more towards the military.

649
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: He claims, though, that during this time he spends more

650
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: than a decade studying Christianity, which kind of conflates with

651
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: other things he says, because he's argued in this same

652
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: interview that his faith didn't become real until twenty eighteen.

653
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: This is when he claims that he was properly saved

654
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Speaker 3: and born again, just in time for him to jettison

655
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: the last of his Rhino credentials and hop on to

656
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: the Trump train. The fact that those things happened around

657
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: the same time that he's like, oh, I was saved

658
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: at the same time I realized Trump was God's pick

659
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: to save America. This is not really trustworthy, right, Although again,

660
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Speaker 3: I think the thing he's lying about is he's always

661
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: been this guy, right, he covered his body with Christian

662
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: fascist tattoos, you know, and other fucking we the people shit,

663
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Speaker 3: you know. Like, I don't think he's lying about being

664
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Speaker 3: a Christian nationalist or being a fascist. I think he's

665
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Speaker 3: lying about the fact that this was a journey, you know, right.

666
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Speaker 2: I mean it seems like he has no issue with

667
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: any of this at any point in his life. But

668
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: he needs the narrative. He needs the narrative there and

669
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Speaker 2: and I would be so curious. I feel like this

670
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: happens in all sectors of public life. Of how many

671
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: times you're going to keep telling the same story about

672
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: yourself to keep yourself like relevant and to keep yourself

673
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: kind of an underdog.

674
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: Right, you always have to be an underdog, even once

675
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: you've like succeeded, you know. Yeah, I mean that's a

676
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: big part of my ego. Right, Nobody believed that we

677
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: could have the largest history podcast on the internet, you know, No,

678
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: aside from all the people who believed in me and

679
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: fought for me and advocated for me and guested on

680
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: the show and whatnot. Like, nobody nobody believed believes you, right,

681
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: aside from most people.

682
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Speaker 2: Right, you were, yeah, you were, you were podcasting from Uh,

683
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, just like prostrate on the floor. Nothing you had.

684
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Speaker 3: Not exactly exactly I was. I was at the lowest

685
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Speaker 3: demand can be, you know, living in an apartment on

686
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Speaker 3: the edge of Santa Monica.

687
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Speaker 2: So in a way you also found God in idea. Yeah,

688
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: you have that in common.

689
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: My God was was the pod. Uh you know, yeah, Sophie,

690
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: if we register as a church, do we get to

691
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: stop paying taxes?

692
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Speaker 4: Oh?

693
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

694
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Speaker 2: Also strick in the book.

695
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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I shook. All right, we're going offline. We'll

696
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: talk in some more about this offline. So in like

697
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: the kind of early chunk of the Trump years.

698
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Speaker 4: Uh.

699
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Speaker 3: He and his family first moved to New Jersey to

700
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Speaker 3: attend a community church called Colt's Neck, led by pastor

701
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Speaker 3: Chris Durkin. I found a year old YouTube video published

702
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Speaker 3: by the church in which Pastor Dirkin reads out five

703
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: ways Christian families are under attack, which proves that Christian

704
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: media is always about a decade behind because they've only

705
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Speaker 3: just discovered listicles, right, this is like twenty twenty fucking four.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Now, the video does not have a lot of views,

708
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Speaker 3: but Dirkin is a guy that Hagstef is later going

709
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: to claim was like a big influence on him, and

710
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: so it's kind of worth listening to some of what

711
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Speaker 3: he says. Uh. In a summary for the video, Durkin writes,

712
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Speaker 3: more than any time in our lives, it feels like

713
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Speaker 3: Christian families are under attack. Are these contemporary attacks random

714
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Speaker 3: or is there a deeper battle going on beneath surface?

715
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: He spells, they're wrong, But I'm just being petty here.

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00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: Well, no, no hand is asked to him. Also, I mean,

717
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: do you do have to hand it to him that

718
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Speaker 2: he did not change his name from dark and he

719
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Speaker 2: didn't know.

720
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Speaker 3: And he really should have he really that's why he

721
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Speaker 3: hasn't blown up in the way the next preacher we're

722
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: going to talk about has.

723
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Speaker 2: But should have been Gunner.

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Speaker 3: I will say. The way he talks his speech is

725
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: so the speech is written so similarly to how heg

726
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: Seth talks. It's either just evidence of how much this

727
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: guy influenced heg Seth, or maybe they shared a writer, right,

728
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Speaker 3: I don't know, not impossible. It's also probably the case

729
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: that this is more the result of Christian grievance, conservative

730
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: grievance culture just being very predictable. Right. The overarching message

731
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: is always that you, the good, normal people are under

732
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Speaker 3: siege from the evil outsiders, you know, the leftists or

733
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: the enemy within right. And since the chief enemy of

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Speaker 3: Christianity is the devil, anyone advocating for a lifestyle different

735
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Speaker 3: than yours is literally the devil.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's made very clear in this segment of the five

738
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Speaker 3: ways Christian Families are under attack speech by Pastor Chris Derekin,

739
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Speaker 3: which Sohi's going to play for you now.

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Speaker 4: Designed by God as a gift from God, that through marriage,

741
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 4: not only is it good because it's not good for

742
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: man to be alone, that through marriage not only are

743
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: we commanded to be fruitful and to multiply, but also

744
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: in the New Testament, marriage is a picture of the

745
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 4: Gospel of Jesus Christ itself, whether you're talking about God's

746
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: character and plan and creation, or even talking about Jesus Christ,

747
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: his life, his death is resurrection, his love for his people,

748
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Speaker 4: his bride, the church. This is going to fill hell

749
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: with all kinds of fury and it's going to be

750
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Speaker 4: aimed at your family and.

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Speaker 3: Right, the argument there he's making is that like, yeah,

752
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: gay marriage, all of these different culture like it's literally

753
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: the devil right, like anything anytime you urge anything outside

754
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: of like what Christians believe about this, Like no, God

755
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: decreed what marriage is. So you are literally on the

756
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: side of Satan, right, yeah, which is you can't have

757
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: a secular society with these people. You can't be free

758
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: with these people in your country.

759
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: Right.

760
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: And this is like his reality.

761
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: This is baseline, This is his baseline. Theistical nature really

762
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: does crack me up.

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Speaker 3: I do love that it's alistical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my college, what do they call it? The guy

765
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: who talked at my college, did my commencement speaker, mister j.

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: Leno delivered No, no, he delivered his speech in the

767
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: form of a list, and that was ten years ago

768
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: and it was old Laurance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Okay, so yeah, let's so let's let's

770
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: get back to this lovely stuff, this lovely, lovely esipode.

771
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: So yeah. The underlying truth that is revealed by reading

772
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: American Crusade is that people like Pete Hegzeth and his

773
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: fellow event angelical dominionists have no desire to coexist with

774
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: anyone else. That's why they have to portray this as

775
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: an existential battle, because only by pretending their enemies are

776
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: the same as them can they morally justify the kind

777
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: of violence that they are going to try to do.

778
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: Right.

779
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Speaker 3: What little fun there is in reading American Crusade comes

780
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: from looking at hegxa's predictions for what will happen if

781
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: the left wins in twenty twenty and comparing that to

782
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: what actually happened. My favorite example of this comes right

783
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: at the end of chapter two. If Trump loses in

784
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I fear America is doomed. The Democrats, on

785
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: track to nominate a radical leftist would complete the political

786
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: domination they already maintain in our culture, media, and schoolhouses.

787
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: The ivory towers of the Ivy League would become the

788
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: policies of Washington speech codes instead of free speech, Bye

789
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Speaker 3: bye Second Amendment, anti Israel and pro Islamist foreign policy,

790
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: naked socialism, government run everything. Yeah, that's all what happened

791
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: when radical leftist Joe Biden got elected certainly embraced it,

792
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: anti Israel policies.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say that what in particular, fuck it sticks

794
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: out like ASORTA.

795
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Speaker 3: Well, just how immediately all of these Ivy League institutions,

796
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: like most of them just caved Trump.

797
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: Like you know, yeah, it's incredible, incredible well, Pete, unfortunately

798
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: you didn't call that one, and I mean no, certainly

799
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: is benefiting from that not having happened.

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Speaker 3: Once again, we desperately wish for a Democratic party that

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: functions the way Republicans pretend it functions. Yeah, like, how

802
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: nice that would be.

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00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: Radical leftists, anti Israel, radical leftists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah what God oops? So again the big takeaway, the

805
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: actual practical takeaway you should get from reading lines like this,

806
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: is that there was never any hope for the Democratic

807
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: Party to pull away modern Republicans or fracture Trump space right.

808
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: That was never possible, not from Biden, not from Harris right.

809
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: Any Democrat, no matter what they do, no matter how

810
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: nice they try to be to conservatives, no matter how

811
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: much they attacked to the middle in their politics, will

812
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: always be attacked as being anti Israel and a radical

813
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: leftist right. Tacking to the middle and backing that Yahoo

814
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: just cabbed off people who might otherwise have voted Democrat.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just a disastrous strategy. I need to

816
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: write something about this. But like part of when I

817
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: knew what I started to get really worried about Harris's

818
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: campaign was when she started like campaigning around with Cheney,

819
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: and I could tell like, Okay, she's doing this because

820
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: she she wants to get She thinks that she can

821
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Speaker 3: get Republicans like my mom to vote for Harris. And

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Speaker 3: my mom was a lifetime Republican, loved John McCain, loved

823
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: Dick Cheney, loved George W. Bush, hated guns like, was

824
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: fine with banning guns, was not like and so, and

825
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: was very pro abortion right and so you would, I

826
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: guarantee you if you would like bring up the profile

827
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: of someone like my mom to Kamala Harris right or

828
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: to do Biden the oh, we can get this voter,

829
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: we can get this voter right. This is someone as

830
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: long as you know we're not too radically left, we

831
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: can speak their language and convince them. And no, you can't.

832
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: My mom would have died before voting Democrat right. She

833
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: would have chosen death over voting for the Democratic Party period.

834
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Speaker 3: You know, like, there was never any chance of you

835
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Speaker 3: getting her right. And the instant I realized they're betting

836
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: on that as opposed to trying to get anyone, you know,

837
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Speaker 3: any moderates or people further on the left, like on

838
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Speaker 3: board with actual like policies that will help them was like, Okay,

839
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: we might be in trouble here.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's yeah, something that just like

841
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: another example of the right, big, far more like organized

842
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, than the left, is

843
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Speaker 2: because there are people who didn't vote for Kamla because

844
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Speaker 2: she would not move left, Like I don't know.

845
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Speaker 3: It's just the the idea that there are good Republicans

846
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: buried inside the party and we can shake them out

847
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: of voting this. No, no, no, Even the people who

848
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: are like good, who have more reasonable stances, who you know,

849
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: had issues with Trump, what they wanted most is to

850
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: win and as soon as you like like because of

851
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: this is the project of twenty something thirty years of

852
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: right wing media. This was what Fox News accomplished. What

853
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: matters most to the majority of Republican like dedicated Republican voters,

854
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: And obviously there's a sizable chunk of people who voted

855
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: a Republican last election who flip flopped between and those

856
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: people are reachable, which is why they flip flop so often.

857
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: When we're talking about the core of the party. Their

858
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: primary motivation is hurting Democrats, is hurting immigrants, is hurting

859
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: the groups of people they hate, and have been taught

860
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: to hate by year at this point, a couple of

861
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: generations of conservative media. You know, it's it's inflicting pain

862
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: on their enemies, and so you can't win them over

863
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: by being like, but look, we adopted one of your policies.

864
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 3: You know, don't you like this? Now? Aren't we better

865
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: than that Trump guy? I know, because that Trump guy

866
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 3: is promising to kick somebody, and they want to see

867
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Speaker 3: somebody in pain. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I reflect often on that, like that the phase of

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Speaker 2: her campaign where there is a series of cam paining

870
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: commercials that were encouraging women, like conservative women to vote

871
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: for her behind their husband's backs. Do you remember that?

872
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just gonna offend people, Like, it's not gonna

873
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: you don't. It's just just bad choices, just bad choices.

874
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: I do. I do believe that there were probably voters

875
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: like that, but it's like, that's not the fucking way too,

876
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: and that's not gonna exactly, that's not as that's not

877
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: as effective as actually moving left.

878
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: Again, Like oh wow, you know this swing state has

879
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: a massive number of like Muslim voters. I wonder if

880
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: they'll be angry at us completely failing to reign israel

881
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: In on a genocide. Probably not. They'll vote for Blue

882
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: no matter who.

883
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: We don't need it, of course, it's it's them who

884
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: gets blamed by cool.

885
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: That's not the only reason Harris lost, right, That's that

886
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: explains like one state. There's a bunch of reasons, but

887
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: the whole we're going we can we can get these people,

888
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: you know, we can. We can break off a lot

889
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: of them because they're basically reasonable people. Doesn't work because

890
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: they're not. They're not. Their brains have been damaged by

891
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: decades of propaganda, and the damage is permanent. Anyway, This

892
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: is good vibes, good vibes, the vibes anyway. I will

893
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: say there's a weird kind of comfort I get from

894
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: reading Hegseth's book, not because it's less awful or even

895
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: less homicidal than I'd feared, but because the it's validating.

896
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: It's the conservatism I know, and it's the conservatism I

897
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: was raised inside put on full display, right, and in

898
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: a way that I think I really would encourage. I

899
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: found the free copy of this book online. By the way,

900
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: I didn't pay for it. If you just google full

901
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: text free you can find it too. I don't know

902
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: the legal status of this, but it's not hard to find.

903
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: I want to get Democrats who think they can reach

904
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: out to Republicans to read this book, because it really clearly,

905
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: it really points out like why it's that attempt is

906
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: so fundamentally doomed. Right Like anyway, there's another mask off moment,

907
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: a useful one later in the book, when Pete has

908
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: a chance to lay out the things he.

909
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: Had, A useful one.

910
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: A useful one, yes, Ok. Pete winds up in a

911
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: passage laying out the things he admires about Islam, and

912
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: this is part of he's still he's making the broader

913
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: case that it's an existential threat to Americans in freedom.

914
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: But he writes this, almost every single Muslim child grows

915
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: up listening to and learning to read from the Koran.

916
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: Contrast this with our secular American schools, in which the

917
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Bible is nowhere to be found, and you'll understand why

918
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: Muslim's worldview is more coherent than ours. First off, hmm,

919
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: not entirely inaccurate statement about the Muslim world, about schools

920
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: in the Muslim world, Like, yeah, that describes some people,

921
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I guess I've just talked to

922
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: more school teachers interact than Pete has, who co repeatedly

923
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: that they just didn't have books anymore, and they hadn't

924
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 3: since Saddam left.

925
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't think that was Pete's focus and around school teachers. Okay, So,

926
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: I mean it's just more Christian fundamentalism that.

927
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: Wow, they're all reading the Bible, they're all perfectly informed

928
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 3: about their religion. They're constantly thinking about it, as opposed

929
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: to like, yeah, most Muslims are like most members of

930
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: any other religion where they're like, yeah, you know, on

931
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: the holiday or whatever, but like, I got shit to

932
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: do the rest of the time. You know, maybe I

933
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: get more serious about it if I get sick or something,

934
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: but like the people, yeah, they're people, right, they got

935
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: other shit going on. Pete goes on to argue that

936
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: the Islamic Holy books, and he describes the Islamic Holy

937
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: books as being the Koran and the Hadith, if reordered

938
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: and read chronologically, show in an exorable passage from peaceful

939
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: writing towards violence, right, that if you reorder all of

940
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: the different like the Islamic Holy texts, the Holy Books,

941
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: it re ordered them to read chronologically you'll that Islam

942
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: inherently moves towards violence.

943
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and if you play the record, yeah, like

944
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: there couldn't be anything more conspiratorial, Like well if you

945
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: like okay, and.

946
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like in this mirror Muhammad's own journey, right,

947
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: because Muhammad was like a military leader, right.

948
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: Uh.

949
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: And basically the point he's making is that Islam inherently

950
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: leads to violence if you follow it honestly. Now, this

951
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: is interesting for a couple of reasons. For one, a

952
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: few chapters earlier, when he was talking about his friend

953
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: Texas Omar, he'd made a big point that Omar is

954
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: a practicing Muslim and also one hundred percent American, which

955
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: seems like it's not something that really should be possible

956
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: based on how heg Seth describes Islam here. But he's

957
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: also wrong about Islam a whole lot. Right. For one thing, again,

958
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: he states that the holy books of Islam are the

959
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: Koran and the Hadith. The Hadith like, it's not a

960
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: it's not a title of a book, right, it's the

961
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: name for a collection of sayings attributed to the prophet

962
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: Muhammad over a long period of time, right, And it's

963
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: not really it wouldn't be right to call it a

964
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: holy book of Islam. Right, It's certainly a text holy

965
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 3: text in Islam, but it's not really a holy book

966
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: because there are holy books in the faith. Obviously, there's

967
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: the Koran. There's also the Taalat, which is the Torah,

968
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: and the Zabr, which is their book of Psalms, and

969
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: the last of these Islamic holy books is the angel

970
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: which is the New Testament. Right, these are all holy

971
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: books in the Muslim faith, right, But.

972
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: He forsakes three and it just adds one.

973
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he just doesn't really understand what the

974
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: hideths are that like, it's a collection of sayings. It's

975
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: not really a book in the traditional sense. Discussing Islamic

976
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: religious texts in a way that's accurate isn't something he

977
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: can do because then you have to acknowledge it, like,

978
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: oh wait, wait, the Torah is like venerated in Islam,

979
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: and so is the New Testament, even though they don't

980
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: believe Jesus was the Messiah. Well, then that makes the

981
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 3: case that Islam's actually much more tolerant towards other faiths

982
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: than heg Seth wants to pretend. And he goes on

983
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: to note, quote, non Muslims paid a second class citizen tax,

984
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 3: convert to Islam or were killed, whichever way they submitted,

985
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: and like it is in fact true that there is

986
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: a tax that non Muslims are supposed to pay and

987
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: paid under the like the first Islamic empires, right, like

988
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: a specific tax for being like a not a member

989
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: of the faith. But also what he's leaving out here

990
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: is that, like this is a pretty significantly better deal

991
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: than you would get in Christendom as a non Christian.

992
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: Like this is actually kind of like a big mark

993
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: of the relative tolerance of Islam during the period of

994
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: time where it was like this expanding empire, because once

995
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: if non believers were paying their tax, they enjoyed state protection. Right,

996
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: they're people of the book, and in fact there's commandments

997
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: against abusing people of the book. And I'm not going

998
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: to say it's perfect right, and obviously there's you do

999
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: you are not an equal citizen in like these early

1000
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: Muslim empires if you're Jewish or Christian, but you do

1001
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: have rights, right, and you have a better deal than

1002
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: Muslims are going to get in Christendom, right, And often

1003
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: we just talked about how after the Crusades stalled, crusaders

1004
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 3: just massacred Jewish communities in Europe, right, Like, you were

1005
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: better off in a lot of cases being a Jew

1006
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: in these Muslim like these areas dominated by these like

1007
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: Islamic empires, then you would have been like in fucking

1008
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: somewhere in Europe, right, Like, yeah, yeah.

1009
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: You would always Europe.

1010
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: Right.

1011
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: It's better to pay a tax and have some rights

1012
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: than be tortured by the inquisition.

1013
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: You know, not a fair ask.

1014
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I'm not trying to whitewash any of these

1015
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: Islamic empires. They're empires. They did some pretty terrible things,

1016
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: like all empires do. I'm just saying, if you've got

1017
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: to choose between being massacred by drunk peasant crusaders in

1018
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: a pagram or like pay an attax, most people probably say,

1019
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: pay the tax. It's a better deal.

1020
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: I guess. It's just I mean, it's so his like

1021
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: binary thinking. It's every chapter so far has been like, well,

1022
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: here's here's what I agree with, including a I am

1023
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: increasingly convinced he made up.

1024
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: And it's also just like this whole obsession that they

1025
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: all have with like European history, Western history, you know,

1026
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: the great works of philosophy, you know, Plato and Aristotle, these,

1027
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: like a lot of great classic European think and Western thinkers.

1028
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: We only have a lot of their writing because it

1029
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: was preserved by Muslim scholars during the period which Christians

1030
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: were destroying everything that was pre Christians. So anyway, again

1031
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: not to whitewash any faith. All religions were all organized.

1032
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 3: Major religions, especially when they have armies, do nightmarish things,

1033
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: and you can find plenty of horrible crimes committed like

1034
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: the Honormans, you know, by the Umayids and the Opposites.

1035
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: But right, you know, it's just the truth of the

1036
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: matter is that for its day, like Islam was a

1037
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: much more tolerant faith than Christianity, you know, at that

1038
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: period of time.

1039
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: So which is interestingly demonstrated through the work and actions

1040
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: of one Pete heg Seth.

1041
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: Of one Peter heg Seth. Yes, so right after this

1042
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: paragraph he tries to do a minor mia culpa, and

1043
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: he winds up being both historically wrong and committing heresy.

1044
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: There's so much inaccurate in this next paragraph. I don't

1045
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: know how to summarize it. So I'm just going to

1046
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: read it to you. First, prior to the Life and

1047
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: Teachings of Jesus in the New Testament, many of these

1048
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: same things could have been said of the Bible in Christianity.

1049
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: The God of the Old Testament was violent, vengeful, and

1050
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: very judgmental. But a key distinction makes these two Abrahamic

1051
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: religions very different. The Koran has no New Testament, and

1052
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: he goes on to argue that the lack of a

1053
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: New Testament means Islam as centuries away from becoming a

1054
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 3: civilized faith. Right that, Like, well, obviously, first off, there's

1055
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: again there's so much wrong here. First off, he says

1056
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: that like prior to the Life and Teachings of Jesus,

1057
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: many of these things could have been said of the

1058
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: Bible in Christianity. But there wasn't Christianity before the Life

1059
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: and Teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. What do

1060
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: you mean prior what do you mean Christianity prior to that? Like?

1061
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Because he does he specifically doesn't, Right,

1062
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 3: the same things could have been said of like Judaism,

1063
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: right that, Like, oh, before the New Testament, you know,

1064
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: like the God of the Old Testament was violent, judgmental,

1065
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: But no, he says, specifically before the life and teachings

1066
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: of Jesus in the New Testament, this could have been

1067
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: set of Christianity in the Bible, which is like, first off, again, man,

1068
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: you can't even get your own fucking religion right. And

1069
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 3: second again, he says that the Koran has no New Testament,

1070
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: and as we noted earlier, the New Testament is in

1071
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: fact venerated in Islam, like right, and he.

1072
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: Just ignored it in his list of holy because it.

1073
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: Was again, they don't view Jesus as the Messiah, right,

1074
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: they don't believe the same things about it, But like

1075
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: there is that is in the faith, right, Yeah, it's

1076
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: just wrong to say that it's completely absent any point.

1077
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Whether whether he actually knows this or not, it's just

1078
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: like it's so clear that like this book is just

1079
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: predicated on how poorly educated his his target audience is.

1080
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: And it's this very common thing with conservatives that like

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Speaker 3: Islam whatever is the most radical thing you can find

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00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 3: that was ever written by a Muslim. That's what everyone

1083
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 3: believes and does at all times, as opposed to like, no,

1084
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Islam's like Christianity and other religion where like, well,

1085
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: you can find some awful things and people who are

1086
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: like and that awful thing is exactly how you should

1087
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 3: act at all times. And you can also find some

1088
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: stuff that's not awful, and some people who say that, like, no,

1089
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: the awful stuff's bullshit. You know this is in is

1090
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: everyone just kind of picking and choosing what to believe

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00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: because it makes them more comfortable. Yes, that's what everyone

1092
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: does with everything, Like that's that's how human beings are,

1093
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 3: with politics, with whatever, right I.

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00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: Mean personally, my holy texts are are are titles like

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00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: the Tyrant Alpha's Rejected Mate, but it is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Learning that is that is my religious text as well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about Installment number four, His Curving No, see,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually I consider that like the Gnostic Gospels, like

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00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: that's that's not canon.

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Speaker 3: After the we had our own Council of Nicia, which

1101
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: was held in Atlantic City. To be honest, we didn't

1102
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: really get around to deciding what was cannon we were

1103
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: We were mostly just partying.

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00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: I'm very devout. I've I've read His Curvy Rejected Mate

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00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: forty times once.

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00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've memorized it like like like like Muslim students

1107
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 3: are supposed to memorize the Karan, yes, but like, yeah,

1108
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: there's there's lots of bullshit people like the common conservative

1109
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: belief that like yeah, you just put pigs, you know,

1110
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: pig fat on the bullets and then they can't go

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00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: to heaven. That's not part of Islam. Like that's just

1112
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: you'd being racist. There's nothing that says if you you

1113
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 3: don't go to heaven, right, you're not You're even you're

1114
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: allowed to eat pork in Islam if you're starving, right, Like,

1115
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: none of these even within the text of the of

1116
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 3: the faith itself, like all of this, like during Ramadan

1117
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: you're supposed to fast, but there's specific exemptions for like well,

1118
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: if you're in a desperate situation and dying, or if

1119
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: you're fighting in a war, like if there's extenuating circumstances,

1120
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: you don't have to fast. You can eat and drink water.

1121
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: Because like even like during the earliest days of the faith,

1122
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: Mom was like, well, I don't want this to be

1123
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: a straight jacket, right right, Yeah, but again you can't.

1124
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: There's no actual understanding of like how the faith is living.

1125
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: It's just a bunch of like talking points that you

1126
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: can use to demonize these people, right.

1127
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like his whole platform depends on Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, the wrongest part of that paragraph, and the thing

1129
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: that I really recognized because my dad used to make

1130
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: the same argument, is the idea that virtue was human

1131
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: beings couldn't be good before Christianity. There weren't really good

1132
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: people before the New Testament. It was impossible to truly

1133
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: be ethical, right, Like my dad would talk a lot

1134
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: about like, well, you know, ancient Greece and Rome were

1135
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 3: probably like the best societies possible prior to Christianity, right

1136
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: because they were you know, like it's this idea that

1137
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: like decency was invented by Christians, and people just couldn't

1138
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: be good before it.

1139
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: Yea, you could, you could be all right, that's such

1140
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: a weird like you know, scale to be on Like

1141
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: you could be okay, you could be all right, you

1142
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: could inch towards goodness. But it wasn't until yeah.

1143
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't until Christianity that we really knew how to

1144
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: be good people. It just wasn't possible. And again, let's

1145
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 3: go back to those drunken peasant crusaders who just decided

1146
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: to massacre all the Jews in their neighborhood because they

1147
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: didn't have enough money for a boat to the fucking

1148
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: Middle East.

1149
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: Right, really christ like behavior.

1150
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus would have loved that. He hated his own people. Yeah.

1151
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: So Hegseeth attacks Islam for being quote not just a

1152
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: religion but also a system of governance. And I find

1153
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 3: this really interesting, and he brings out sharia law as

1154
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 3: the usual bugbear here. But the statements like this kind

1155
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: of lack the teeth they used to have when you

1156
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: live in twenty twenty five, because in the years since

1157
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: publishing American Crusade, Hegseeth has become a direct advocate for

1158
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: Christian control of the government and the supremacy of Christian

1159
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: religious law over the lives of Americans, even those who

1160
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: do not practice the faith. And he's done this. He's

1161
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: like talking about, like Islam's a system of government. That's wrong.

1162
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: Christianity also should be our system of government.

1163
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 4: Right.

1164
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: He's done all this while complaining about the injustice. This

1165
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: is a big thing he winds about in later writings

1166
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: that because he writes another book about fucking warrior ethos

1167
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: shit that we'll talk about at some point. But in

1168
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, he gets like basically, I'm gonna quote

1169
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: from the New York Times here. He has said that

1170
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: he was barred from participating in the military security detail

1171
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: for President Biden's inauguration in twenty twenty one because of

1172
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: a tattoo on his chest depicting a Jerusalem cross, a

1173
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: religious symbol that was also a symbol used by crusaders.

1174
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: Reuters and others reported that his tattoos, including the deis

1175
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: volt motto that has been used by white supremacists, prompted

1176
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: a fellow service member to flag mister Hegseth as a

1177
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: potential insider threat. And first off, good work, fellow service member.

1178
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: He was probably shouldn't have that guy near fucking Joe

1179
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: Biden with a weapon, right, But he doesn't get fired,

1180
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: but he claims that, like, well, this is why I

1181
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: had to stop lead my military careers. I got sidelined

1182
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: because they called me an extremist for simply being a

1183
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: Christian who has the exact same tattoos as the guys

1184
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: who committed a series of hate crimes in Charlottesville.

1185
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Weird kicked him off of Wiki feet for

1186
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: speaking truth to power, Like you're okay, Yeah.

1187
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 3: Now you know who will never get kicked off of Wiki.

1188
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: Feet, the products and services robot.

1189
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: No, they are the foundation of Wiki feet. You know,

1190
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: send them pictures up your feet, be nice to them.

1191
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: They'll love that.

1192
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: And don't check before you do it. Yeah, it should

1193
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: be a nice surprise.

1194
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let it be a surprise. We're back. We're

1195
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: all sending feet picks to whoever sponsors the podcast. They're

1196
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: gonna love that. And also now, thank god, well now

1197
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: that we have a Trump is the presidency again. Feet

1198
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: picks are legal. You know that. You can use them

1199
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: for currency, you can use things.

1200
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: They can bathwater.

1201
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they count as assets if you're trying to get

1202
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: a mortgage. You know.

1203
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm on wikifeet dot com. I think they have a

1204
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: for sure, I just had this open. I think they

1205
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: have a dating dot com. Everyone check out matchsouls dot com.

1206
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: You know that's actually that's not a bad name. That's

1207
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: not a bad name.

1208
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: You know what it was right there?

1209
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: You get a couple, you get it, you get some

1210
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: kudos for that.

1211
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: They've updated their interface. Anyways, Okay, sorry, get to eat

1212
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: Pete Heg Seth.

1213
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he's Pete Seth right, So continuing, Pete Hegg Seth's

1214
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: book right after Uh talking about how awful Sharia law

1215
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: is and how Islam is evil because it's a political

1216
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: system as well as a religion. He writes, voting as

1217
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 3: a weapon, but it's not enough. We don't want to fight,

1218
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: but like our fellow Christians one thousand years ago, we

1219
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 3: must oh great again.

1220
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: Well, why you ain't got no alibi?

1221
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 3: That's literally what he sat. So after the twenty twenty

1222
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: election ended with Joe Biden winning, and if you believe

1223
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: Fete or Pete feet. If you believe Pete, his military

1224
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: career ends shortly thereafter due to anti Christian persecution. He

1225
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: moves his family to Tennessee, where they attend the Pilgrim

1226
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: Hill Reformed Fellowship, which is part of the Communion of

1227
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: Evangelical Churches, which is basically a denomination, right, It's like

1228
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: an organization for a specific denomination of weird evangelicals. And

1229
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: this sub denomination was founded by Idaho based pastor Doug Wilson.

1230
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: And if you know anything about Idaho, you know that

1231
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: there's no more sinister series of words in the English

1232
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: language than Idaho based pastor. So about a month before

1233
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: I put these episodes together, Politico described Doug Wilson as

1234
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: quote the new rights favorite pastor. He is famous for

1235
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 3: claiming that the Gospels give believers a stark choice quote

1236
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: Christ or chaos, and he argues that up to this point,

1237
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: America has choosen chaos. Quote reality is optional. That's why

1238
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: you have people saying that a girl can be a

1239
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: boy and a boy can be a girl. Thank you.

1240
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: I know that's how he really sounds. It's easy to

1241
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: see why hegseeth is drawn to this motherfucker. American Crusade

1242
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: is a book that advocates for Christian theocracy, and Wilson's

1243
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: entire career for like half a century, has been dedicated

1244
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: to per that Politico article, creating quote a comprehensive blueprint

1245
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: for a spiritual and political reformation that would transform America

1246
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: into a kind of Christian republic. And Wilson is the

1247
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 3: real deal. He is a serious, lifelong, committed Christian fascist.

1248
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: Pete is not the real deal. You know. You can

1249
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: call him a Johnny come lately. Not that I don't

1250
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: think he's a fascist, but like he is, he primarily

1251
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: cares about himself and his own personal advancement as opposed

1252
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: to the cause. Right.

1253
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: It's not even a positive thing. But he does care

1254
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: about his own bottom line more than he cares about

1255
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: the project of fascism. It sounds like this idahope his

1256
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: pastor would really put a lot on the line for fascism.

1257
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: But even the way that he's writing this book is

1258
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: he's writing to meet the moment of the amount of

1259
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: fascism you can get away with and still be viable

1260
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: at the exact time this book comes out.

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Speaker 3: That is precisely what he's doing, right, which is why

1262
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 3: he's more milk toast than present Pete in some sections,

1263
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: because he just didn't think some of that stuff was acceptable. Right,

1264
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: And it's worth noting again, Wilson's written a bunch of

1265
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: books laying out a blueprint for how Christians should and

1266
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: must take over the country and dominate violently everyone else.

1267
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: Pete his book is not a blueprint, right, He's advocating

1268
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: for the same things. He's clearly supportive, even though he says,

1269
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: I'm not saying violence, but we also literally need to

1270
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: go to war, right, a literal crusade. Voting isn't enough,

1271
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: but also no violence, right. You know, Pete's book is

1272
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: not really giving a comprehensive blueprint right, because Pete is

1273
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: not that smart and is not a strategic thinker. It

1274
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: is your standard wanna be politician book right. It's meant

1275
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: to stake out a place for its author in the

1276
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: movement by saying the right schibaletes. But the writing is

1277
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: both lazy and shallow, and it provides no real implementation insight.

1278
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: It's just no ideas. It's just like Islamophobia for chapters.

1279
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: It is scattered in somewhat desperate signposting for like pick me,

1280
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 3: pick me, like me, like me right, Like that's what

1281
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 3: he's doing, you know. Whereas Doug Wilson has spent his

1282
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: whole adult life building an actual power base in Moscow, Idaho, where,

1283
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: per Politico quote, Wilson overseas a network of allied institutions

1284
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: that includes christ Church, a publishing house, a classic Christian

1285
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: grade school, a Christian Liberal arts college, and a ministerial

1286
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: training program. Beyond Moscow, the network of churches that Wilson

1287
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 3: founded in the late nineteen nineties, called the Communion of

1288
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: Reformed Evangelical Churches or CREC, has grown to include over

1289
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty congregations across four continents. An association

1290
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: of classical Christian schools that Wilson co founded in nineteen

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01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: ninety three now counts over five hundred member schools across

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: the country.

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: Hot. Okay, So he's so he's an effective.

1294
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: He is an effective building and again not just in

1295
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 3: it for himself and his own birth, like in it

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01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: to build a movement.

1297
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: He's very different from Pete. I would be shocked if

1299
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: he really likes to respects the guy. But he's also

1300
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: very smart. He knows how to use a guy like Pete. Right,

1301
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: And he's you know the fact that he before he

1302
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: became the sec deaf, was seeing that this guy had

1303
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: had the potential to go somewhere if Trump won again,

1304
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 3: because like you know, especially after Trump got out, he

1305
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: really gravitated to the people who were just complete toadies

1306
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: and lickspittles, right.

1307
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: And for this exact kind of guy exactly.

1308
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: And Wilson was smart enough to be like, this guy

1309
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: might go somewhere. I should start getting in good with him, right,

1310
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: And Wilson, this, this guy is so committed. Even during

1311
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: the period of time in which evangelical like Christian nationalist

1312
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: figures had to pretend they weren't, he would openly preach

1313
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: his support for a theocracy. He has refused for years

1314
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: to refer to the Civil War as anything but the

1315
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: war between the States, and has described his personal politics

1316
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: as slightly to the right of Jeb Stewart, a Confederate general.

1317
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: Great cool, awesome, yardstick.

1318
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: A nice stuff. So while head Seth was, by his

1319
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: own admission, squishy for most of his adult life, Wilson

1320
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 3: has been a howling committed fascist for decades. My interpretation

1321
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: of their relationship behind the scenes is that Wilson recognized

1322
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: hag Seth as a useful person who was desperate for

1323
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 3: a place in the movement, and Wilson was happy to

1324
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 3: give him that in exchange for having a future Secretary

1325
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: of Defense on his side. We see the kind of

1326
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: desperation Pete had to be involved with and feel like

1327
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: a part of this movement despite his belated entrants in

1328
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 3: chapter eight of his stupid book Secularism Deporting God from America,

1329
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 3: which opens with the stunning paragraph Wow, what after deal?

1330
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 3: After the election of Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, one

1331
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: of the most powerful things to happen to our country

1332
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: and to me was the Christian conversion of the rapper

1333
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: Kanye West Wait the conversion of a rapper was a

1334
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: powerful movement in America in my life, yes it was.

1335
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: At first, like many others, I was skeptical of his authenticity.

1336
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: Is this a PR stunt? But when I watched Kanye

1337
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: live and listen to his songs, I was convinced he

1338
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: loves Jesus and wants to share him with the world.

1339
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: Even better, he went all in, not content to live

1340
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: a private life of faith in order to protect his

1341
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: iconic image. What a shot of adrenaline for the home team.

1342
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: If Kanye is with us, who can be against us.

1343
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 3: Kanye is a changed man, but not a perfect man.

1344
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 3: As often happens throughout history and in our country, the

1345
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: imperfect people become the best messagers. I should note that

1346
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 3: this was five years before Kanye would release his new

1347
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 3: hit song Hyle Hitler.

1348
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: Wow called it, called it, and he's now going by

1349
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: ya ya yay, yes, no, no, no ya ya he

1350
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: changed it again.

1351
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh I missed that update, thank you, So.

1352
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: I stopped keeping that. That was funny. That was.

1353
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: Kanye is on he can't lose, He'll never lose his mind.

1354
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: Well, which arguably like he already had.

1355
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, no, he's very.

1356
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: He was an active crisis. Well, uh cool, so we've

1357
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: got ever Clear and Kanye West.

1358
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 3: Ye, Kanye West, God my two heroes.

1359
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: You know wow talk about building a coalition.

1360
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: And putting together a team.

1361
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: My favorite part of that quoes when he said here

1362
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: he what he when he's talking about how like he

1363
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: he went, all.

1364
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: Really do it? And You're like, yes, you're not broken, clock,

1365
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: You're right.

1366
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we get another example after this of how

1367
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 3: inconsistent Pete's own account of his own past is. Hag

1368
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 3: Seth tries to draw comparison between kanye upbringing, which he

1369
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: describes as rooted in good Christian values, in his own

1370
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: claiming that faith in Jesus was front and center in

1371
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: his childhood upbringing, which is the opposite of the claim

1372
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: he's made more recently in that Christian magazine. Now we

1373
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: can look at the actual things Pete claimed and say, dude,

1374
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: you were always raised to be the guy you are.

1375
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 3: At no point did secular society step in to force

1376
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 3: you to stop being religious. At no point did you

1377
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 3: have anything but like complete support for being the kind

1378
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 3: of right wing Christian nationalist weirdo that you are from

1379
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 3: our society.

1380
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: But it's like he's he's so committed to this conception

1381
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: he has of himself. Yeah, but the more we talk

1382
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: about it, the more I'm like, you know what you're described.

1383
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: It's like technically less compelling, but it makes him seem

1384
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: more competent than he is of like I was like

1385
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: born to occupy this role. I feel like that is

1386
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: an equally compelling narrative that he's just too insecure to

1387
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: even admit. Right, Yeah, like I was born to be

1388
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: a far right like yeah fails sun that rises the

1389
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: power that seems to be true?

1390
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yes, that is like you were crafted

1391
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: in a lab to be this exact shithead. Yes, and

1392
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 3: nothing about our society did anything but encourage it. So

1393
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: in the next segment of the book, he claims to

1394
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 3: be self aware of his sinful nature, and he says this,

1395
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: without knowing, fearing, and recognizing God, I would be like

1396
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 3: a ship lost at sea, wrecked and sunk. You get

1397
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: wrecked plenty as it is, buddy, And trust me, I

1398
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: have almost been sunk more times than I can admit

1399
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 3: on these pages. Yeah you have. I've only seen forty

1400
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 3: short years on this earth, and I've been divorced twice,

1401
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 3: almost gone bankrupt once and been deployed with a bunch

1402
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: of toxically max feel and dudes thrice one tour of

1403
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: one tour of which included a war crimes controversy.

1404
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's so controversy. He's so oppressed, you

1405
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: guysse about it. I think, you know, really brave of

1406
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 2: him to call the American military toxic masculine.

1407
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 3: I think he may. He's making fun of the left here, right,

1408
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: Like that's the point of it. But it's also very

1409
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: fun to be like, yeah, there was a war crimes controversy. Like, dude,

1410
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: per your own claims to the New Yorker, you complained

1411
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: that you were scared your unit was going to commit

1412
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: war crimes.

1413
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: Well two nine. Pete can't come to the phone, right,

1414
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah he can.

1415
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: Also, he notes in this that there's there's too much

1416
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 3: to write about in terms of his like sins and failings.

1417
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: He can't. I can't actually go into all that detail,

1418
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 3: right Like.

1419
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: Well, legally, yeah, he probably can't.

1420
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 3: Legally he shouldn't, but we can, Jay Jimmy Loftus, we

1421
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: absolutely can. Yeah, So let's talk about the allegations against

1422
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: Pete hag seth are sexual assault. We've already heard about

1423
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: all of his drinking and carousing and spending the money

1424
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: from his different charities in order to party and pursue women,

1425
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 3: and repeated claims in that whistleblower report that he and

1426
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: others sexually harassed women who worked for the orgs that

1427
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: he was at. Now, that all existed prior to Pete's,

1428
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 3: you know, getting nominated to be the Secretary of Defense.

1429
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: But then once it became clear that he was Trump's

1430
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: pick for sec def, a new set of allegations kind

1431
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 3: of hit the public. And these these went back to

1432
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen when Pete Hegseeth was at a hotel for

1433
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: like a I think it was like some sort of

1434
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: a work conference. It was a Republican women's conference. And

1435
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: he met, yes, he did, he did. He met a

1436
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 3: woman known as you know, Jane Doe for you know,

1437
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: legal obvious purposes. He met this Jane Doe at the

1438
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 3: conference and they talked. Other people who were there were

1439
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 3: call them having a loud argument at one point, and

1440
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of unclear like precisely what happened, but they

1441
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 3: were both drinking. They had a loud argument around one

1442
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: thirty am, which prompted an employee to be like, hey,

1443
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 3: you guys need to like quiet down, and heg Seth

1444
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: responded by cursing at the employee and saying I got

1445
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 3: freedom speach, and then the.

1446
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: James Patriot even at his slowest.

1447
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then per npr Dough then intervened, telling the

1448
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 3: employee that they were Republicans and apologized for heg Seth's behavior. Right,

1449
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 3: I love I love it.

1450
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: That's the shorthand for a drunken argument. And no, no, no, no, officer,

1451
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 2: you don't understand. We're Republicans. We're supposed to act this way.

1452
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: And because of the lawsuit that comes later, we have

1453
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 3: this woman's texts from that night, and some of them

1454
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 3: she like one of them. She says he wears a

1455
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 3: ring on his pointer finger. It creeps me out. Like

1456
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 3: these messages, they're pretty There's one. I'm just gonna read

1457
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: the message chain. Do you know Pete Hegseeth? She asks,

1458
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,440
Speaker 3: name sounds familiar. Who is he? He's a Fox contributor.

1459
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 3: I guess he does Outnumbered and Fox and Friends. Anyway,

1460
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 3: our ladies are freaking drooling over him. Oh okay, he

1461
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 3: is TDB light Mini TDB. Oh you mean the man

1462
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: who tried to have sex with my wife. Not a

1463
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 3: good first impression for Pete, right, So they're talking about like, yeah,

1464
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 3: this guy's a he's trying to like fuck everybody. Yeah,

1465
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 3: and she says that he creeps him out. Later in

1466
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: the evening, Doe told investigators that she saw heg Seth

1467
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 3: rubbing women's legs and quote giving off a creeper vibe.

1468
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 3: She recalls because she is drinking too. She recalls that

1469
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 3: the argument that they had was that she got angry

1470
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: at him for repeatedly touching women at the conference, and

1471
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 3: so they have this loud argument and Doe remembers heg

1472
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 3: Seth saying I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy.

1473
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: And then quote from NPR, Doe said that the next

1474
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 3: memory she had was when she was in an unknown room.

1475
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: This is from the police report. Doe did not know

1476
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 3: where she was or how she got to the room.

1477
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: Heg Seth was in the room with her, so this

1478
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: is she blacks out. Presumably I think she had it.

1479
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 3: I believe she had a talk screen because she goes

1480
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: to the police, but I don't know. It may not

1481
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: have been soon enough that would have shown if there

1482
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 3: was something else in her drink, but you know, blacking

1483
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: out is anyway. She winds up.

1484
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: Refer to Pete's previous writing on the subject.

1485
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: And she she says, I do recall saying no to

1486
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 3: him repeatedly, right, And you know, she eventually files a

1487
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: sexual assault claim against him, right, that he sexually assaulted her. Right.

1488
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: He maintains that any physical interaction was consensual. I wouldn't

1489
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 3: be surprised if he was blacked out too, given his

1490
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: own Like, I don't know what memory Pete actually has

1491
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 3: of this. But ultimately, the police do not wind up

1492
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: prosecuting this because they say they don't have enough evidence

1493
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 3: to go on, and hag Seth settles out of court

1494
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: with her in a civil suit. He pays her fifty

1495
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 3: thousand dollars as part of a and makes her sign

1496
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 3: a confidentiality agreement. It's just like perdocuments obtained by CNN.

1497
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just fucking vile. I mean, it's not

1498
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: surprising at all that it didn't move forward, but the

1499
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: fact that it went far enough that she had to

1500
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: submit her text. I mean, were there like kids done

1501
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: or anything like that, Like I that's.

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think like I think by the time

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: because she didn't initially want to report it at all,

1504
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 3: Like it's the case it often takes long enough that

1505
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: like you don't get as early as you need for

1506
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 3: that kind of screens. Yeah.

1507
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 2: I read a really interesting book. I was just randomly

1508
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 2: recommend it, but I just finished it last week called

1509
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: The Secret I think it's called The Secret History of

1510
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 2: the Rave Kit, and it's really good of just like

1511
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 2: how how much technology there is there that is just

1512
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 2: not used. But in any case, that's I mean not

1513
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: surprising at all that they didn't move forward with the case,

1514
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: but just the idea of like, well, what does constitute

1515
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: enough enough evidence quote unquote, like and I know it

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01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: varies from state to state too.

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it does. And I got to read in

1518
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: terms of because again Pete makes the statement that like, oh, yeah,

1519
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 3: I was a bad guy, but like he's he's basically

1520
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: pretending and like the bad stuff is I wasn't enough

1521
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 3: of an outright fascist, right, Like yeah, that's like mostly

1522
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 3: the kind of claim that he's making is that like, yeah,

1523
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 3: I imperfect because like I wasn't as big a piece

1524
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 3: of shit as I am today. As a result of that,

1525
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 3: as a result of Pete being like you know I've

1526
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: almost been sunk more times than I can admit on

1527
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 3: these pages. I want to read one more quote about

1528
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 3: some of the sins that Pete leaves awe out in

1529
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 3: his Mia culpa. Okay, this is from The New Yorker's

1530
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: article Pete heg Seth's Secret History. Hag Seth appeared in

1531
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 3: October twenty seventeen as a dinner speaker at the California

1532
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: Federation of Republican Women's fortieth Biennial Convention in Monterey, California.

1533
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: His personal life was in tumult. In twenty ten, he

1534
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,839
Speaker 3: had married a second time to Samantha Dering, a coworker

1535
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 3: at That's for Freedom. He admitted in an essay that

1536
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 3: year that he had fathered a child out of wedlock

1537
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: before marrying her. At The Times reported then in August

1538
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen, Well, still married to Deering, he fathered

1539
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: a daughter with another woman, a producer at Fox, Jennifer Rausche,

1540
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 3: who he eventually married in twenty nineteen. As he Endearing

1541
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: wrangled their way through a difficult as The Times first reported,

1542
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 3: his mother, Penelope Hegxeth, sent him an email excoriating him

1543
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: as an abuser of women. Who belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around,

1544
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: and uses women for his own power and ego. She

1545
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: admonished him get some help and take an honest look

1546
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 3: at yourself. That say his mom.

1547
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: Oh my, well that's what I call good business consulting.

1548
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's oh my god, I mean that's his fucking mother,

1549
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: like Jesus nic anyway. Yeah, I just love it when

1550
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, you know, I'm imperfect, but God uses

1551
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: imperfect people. It sounds a lot better than like, no,

1552
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm a real fucking piece of shit, Like I am

1553
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 3: a gigantic who does not at all live consistently with

1554
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 3: my stated values. I violate every rule God set for

1555
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: human beings.

1556
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: On a weekly basis, on.

1557
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: A constant basis.

1558
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: Yes, it is interesting, like he's presenting like even as

1559
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: like a piece of effective propaganda. This bo is a

1560
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: fair because it's so inconsistent with like who does he

1561
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: want to be perceived as? You know, like it just

1562
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: seems like he'll say he'll switch the narrative from moment

1563
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: to moment depending on what is the most effective thing here,

1564
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: what are you going to like the most? What makes

1565
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: me look the coolest? Which varies from chapter to chapter,

1566
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 2: like in this he's a wounded bird who had to like,

1567
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: and then another one's he's a born warrior because Donald Trump,

1568
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 2: like that slid out of his mouth.

1569
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: You know, it's just uh, it's awesome. It's good shit, it's.

1570
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: The yeah, the allegation together, it's like even, I mean,

1571
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: and that's unfortunately, is like a pretty standard allegation for

1572
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: a guy like this. And of course it's just like

1573
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 2: means nothing not to mention the civilian jets. I like, well,

1574
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: this guy rocks.

1575
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: So we're gonna wrap up here. The second to the

1576
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 3: last chapter, though, I should note is chapter thirteen is

1577
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 3: called the front Lines Education in Israel, and it's ninety

1578
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: percent of it is about how evil the education system is.

1579
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: Pete is like, you can't send your kids to colleges

1580
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 3: because you're fun the enemy. You should destroy literally burn

1581
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 3: your own like graduation certificate or whatever, like, and he

1582
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 3: goes he will later, he doesn't do it. Now. He

1583
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: says like, oh, I'm going to destroy my diplomas from

1584
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 3: Princeton Anne Harvard right as a protest, which he does.

1585
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 3: He destroys. He claims to have mailed sent back his

1586
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: Harvard diploma years later as a result of woke. But like,

1587
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: he doesn't actually do that immediately. I don't know that

1588
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: he actually did that at all. It might just be.

1589
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: That story is Israel as omar from Texas, as far

1590
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 2: as I'm concerned.

1591
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: After complaining that like college is evil, because this is

1592
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 3: the whole theme of this chapter, is that like college

1593
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: is evil because of what it makes Americans think about Israel.

1594
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 3: So after several pages of branding about colleges, he writes,

1595
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: you might ask, what in the world does the state

1596
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: of Israel have to do with any of this? I

1597
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 3: live in the United States. Why is Israel the front line?

1598
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: And of course the answer to that is that Israel

1599
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 3: is quote central to the story of Western civilization, of

1600
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 3: which America is the greatest manifestation. Pete advises everyone to

1601
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 3: watch a bunch of prigger you videos about Israel's history,

1602
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: and then goes through summarizes Israeli history and like a

1603
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 3: page and neatly leaves out the Palestinians completely right, Like

1604
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: there's just nobody there. It's like that's not a factor

1605
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: in the story at all. It He celebrates the beautiful

1606
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: army Israel has and talks about their unmatched standard of living,

1607
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 3: something that might surprise people in Gaza and says that

1608
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: because Israel is such a great place to live, that's

1609
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 3: why American crusaders have to fight for it as strongly

1610
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 3: as they fight for the United States. Pete ends the

1611
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: chapter with these lines, with the front lines identified, Let's

1612
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 3: put a full on American crusade into action. And the

1613
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: last chapter is just titled make the Crusade Great Again.

1614
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 3: It's not really it's just a rehash of shit he

1615
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 3: said previously in the book. This chapter is not necessary

1616
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: and it's not really worth getting into other than this

1617
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 3: line near the end. The American crusade can be one,

1618
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 3: but not through negotiation. Stale thinking and bipartisan consensus have

1619
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 3: betrayed us. This moment requires a total commitment to victory,

1620
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 3: which includes co opting the successful tactics the left has

1621
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 3: used for years. We must be smart, tough, proactive, and bold. Anyway,

1622
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 3: that's Pete in his stupid book. I hope everyone had.

1623
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 2: A week going going out on a chapter at Israel.

1624
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't expect better, but Jesus fucking And

1625
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: then he wrote another book called The War on Warriors.

1626
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that one day. That's his

1627
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 3: book about Yeah, how America like we don't make people

1628
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 3: want to be violent enough, right, like we we shamelan

1629
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 3: for killing and stuff and like yeah, it's just it's

1630
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 3: just we'll get into it one of these days. But no,

1631
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 3: rush rushay not.

1632
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: I fucking hated every second of that.

1633
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: Yep.

1634
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, so so an average episode.

1635
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: There a normal episode of Behind the Bastards. Yes, this

1636
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: was meant to be like an easier week for me,

1637
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 3: but I still wound up having to do a bunch

1638
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: of research because God, there's just you can't just not

1639
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 3: talk about the reality of Pete when you're looking at

1640
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: like what he claims about himself.

1641
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: No, because I mean one thing I was I mean

1642
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: not necessarily surprised about. But there's so many approaches to

1643
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: this kind of book and he approaches and I wonder

1644
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: how much of it is just legal But like he

1645
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: says stunningly little about himself while also presenting no ideas.

1646
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 2: It's really just racism.

1647
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just racism. And you know, like callow self interest, right,

1648
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 3: he wants to be a big man, an important man.

1649
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: That's all that really matters.

1650
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: Look at the cover. Yeah, I was like, you could

1651
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: kind of like glean the contents of the book by

1652
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: looking at the cover. It's a book by a deeply

1653
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 2: insecure man who's about to get an undue amount of power.

1654
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: Right. Ah, God, we love it when deeply insecure men

1655
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 3: get great amounts of power that they absolutely are not

1656
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: prepared to wield.

1657
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: It's the American tradition.

1658
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: It's the American tradition. So go out take power for

1659
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 3: yourself and then get corrupt and you know, destroy huge

1660
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 3: swaths of the human race. You know, that's my challenge

1661
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: to all of you listeners. Go take power somewhere in

1662
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: the world, become corrupted by it, and you know, send

1663
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 3: us further down the slalom to complete collapse.

1664
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 2: And I'll all say, is Michigan, don't believe what you've heard.

1665
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:23,919
Speaker 2: I'm a good person.

1666
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let her into your corner store hand or

1667
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: an acts. It's safe.

1668
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you could and you would be fine.

1669
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 3: It's absolutely safe. For sure.

1670
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: I hope to be welcomed in your borders and in

1671
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: due time, but I understand the healing is only just begun.

1672
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 3: That's right. Well, you got anything to plug?

1673
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I should plug my Cool Zone Media Podcast, sixteenth

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1676
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1677
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1678
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1681
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1682
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Speaker 2: steal it. It's fine. I don't think I'm going to

1683
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Speaker 2: get any royalties. Yeah, and yeah, that's what I get.

1684
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you are royalty, Jamie, Queen of podcasts.

1685
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: That's way better than what you usually call me, which

1686
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: is a murderer. So I'll take it.

1687
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: Look name a queen. It wasn't a murderer, Jamie.

1688
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: That's so true. Okay, I take it back, I take it.

1689
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, everybody, I Love you.

1690
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1691
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