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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up with you? Dan Patrick Show? Happy

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Speaker 1: fifth of July. Most us get the day off, not

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Speaker 1: me and Ryan where you're grinding away, grinding, grinding away.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys all had a safe and happy fourth July.

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Speaker 1: You got all your fingers intact, Okay, your belly full.

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Speaker 1: all right. So when you let us listen to the

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's Show, we did not know if Yannis or

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Speaker 1: Trey Young would play. In Game six of the Eastern

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Speaker 1: Conference Finals. Janice did not play. Trey Young tried to

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Speaker 1: give it a go. He was a shell of his

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Speaker 1: normal self in terms of his ability to move around

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Speaker 1: because of that badly sprayed ankle, and the Hawks were

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Speaker 1: never They cut it, I think to seven at one

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Speaker 1: point in the second half and the fourth quarter, but

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Speaker 1: never really got was never really close. They kept him

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Speaker 1: at arms range both the past last two games, and

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Speaker 1: Chris Middleton was a hero down the stretch. So we

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Speaker 1: have Bucks and Sons. Somes have home court advantage, which

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Speaker 1: I think is a good Both will be raucous, raucous teams.

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Speaker 1: Both teams have tanked, have bottomed out and have and

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Speaker 1: have bounced back. Um and both teams have a star

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Speaker 1: or maybe superstar who desperately badly needs a championship to

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Speaker 1: kind of solidify themselves their space in the NBA. And

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be safe to say, Ryan, You're never

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Speaker 1: going to get an easier role run to a championship

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Speaker 1: than what either of these two stars have gotten, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: you don't face Lebron, you don't think you know that.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, you didn't have to play Kevin Durant, and

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Speaker 1: um and and Kyrie Irving, right, So all of these

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Speaker 1: things were going. It's it is kind of now or

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Speaker 1: never for both of them. Hey, Doug, it absolutely is.

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Speaker 1: And I want to dous to you. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to say it earlier. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: me picking the Suns, and you know I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna double down on your wing bet, so hopefully you're

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Speaker 1: accepting I don't trust Bud. Let's say even and everybody, well,

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Speaker 1: if Yannis plays and swings the door, like, even if

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Speaker 1: Yannis plays, and let's be honest, Duck and Jay and

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Speaker 1: we talked, We talked about this. Duck, I was a

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Speaker 1: guest on the show, and Jay Crowder is guarding brook Lopez.

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Speaker 1: Brook Lopez is gonna stand outside and shoot threes. You

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Speaker 1: gotta stand outside two threes he did in in Game five. Well,

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Speaker 1: if Yannis is on the floor and you put DeAndre

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Speaker 1: is gonna guard brook Lopez and brook Lopez will not

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Speaker 1: get the ball on the block. I do not trust Bud.

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Speaker 1: I don't and I don't like to go after coaches.

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Speaker 1: That's not really my thing. I have respect for you,

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Speaker 1: but like that, I just don't see adjustments in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's Yannis's personality. And I

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Speaker 1: know sometimes coaches and I've been here, Doug, You've been

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Speaker 1: here too. The coaches tell us, hey, guys, rebound, hey,

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Speaker 1: we just don't do it. Win, get on the floor.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not Bud, Maybe it's Bud's communication. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: the player's choice to receive what he has to say.

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Speaker 1: But I don't see adjustments made in Milwaukee that I

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Speaker 1: see the Sun's make. And if it comes down to IQ,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of it is, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be a physical contest. I don't think this

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, the Nets versus the Bucks, where

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Speaker 1: Yannis was just more physical. He was taller, faster and

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Speaker 1: that the IQ shifts with the Phoenix Suns, and that's

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Speaker 1: it gets ugly in each game, or it gets ugly

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Speaker 1: more win for the Bucks. But I just think it's

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Speaker 1: So even without Yannis, this this the Buck's still heavy enough.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they're together enough or coach well enough,

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Speaker 1: calling him Buck. But he's putting out the most excellent

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Speaker 1: in fact accurate, and it'll be it'll be a big

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Speaker 1: coached by many ways many wins. Has been incredible in

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Speaker 1: the play. Okay, so here's the question, if whoever wins

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Speaker 1: been so many different injuries. Yeah, yeah, there's a big

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Speaker 1: Like I said, like I'm not gonna step away from this.

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Speaker 1: Neither are you and say that the best player on

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Speaker 1: they win a championship. I'm like, well, Kevin Durrett still better,

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Speaker 1: Lebron is still better. You know, he just didn't have

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Speaker 1: they both looked at each other and we're like, well,

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Speaker 1: you don't play defense all the time and you don't

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Speaker 1: I think from a leadership perspective, it's a great mix

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Speaker 1: and he knows he's going in with the right game plan.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's expecting to score forty points every

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Speaker 1: And I think it's really cool to watch, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not ready to annoying either. Those guys are the best

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Speaker 1: night where what he's best at is getting everybody involved, okay,

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Speaker 1: and occasionally scoring himself. Yes, but he does have that.

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Speaker 1: He just reads the game. If the game needs his scoring,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna get everybody else feeling better, and then

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Speaker 1: he defends at the other end. It's a hard thing

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Speaker 1: for people to conceptualize the different Here's here's the difference

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul and like a Trey Young, Right, Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: can play well and score ten twelve points. He can

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Speaker 1: play great, yes, you know. Whereas for Trey Young to

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Speaker 1: I think there should be a mental asterisk I do.

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Speaker 1: The problem with it is there just isn't right. It's like, like,

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Speaker 1: five years after the fact, you know, there was one

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Speaker 1: all kinds of injuries and Magic was was playing injured

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Speaker 1: because of lockouts, right, and no one ever meant those

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Speaker 1: in the short term there'll be an asterisk, But in

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Speaker 1: the long term, I don't like this is no one

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Speaker 1: they just can't. Will they contextualize, maybe get into the final, like,

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Speaker 1: think for Chris Paul to finally get there, for Yannis

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Speaker 1: if mentally right now, we know it's been a very

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Speaker 1: weird season where more stars are hurt than are healthy. No, No,

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Speaker 1: you're Noah, that's fair. That's fair, and you know you

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Speaker 1: And what was weird even is just through this season,

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Speaker 1: out how to how to fix the team, h and

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Speaker 1: everything has gone wrong for a third year in a row.

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Speaker 1: The coach would have been the spot that you look at.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Mike Guenolder's job would have one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: on the line if they end up losing to the Nets.

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Speaker 1: How how bitter sweet is this for the Bucks? You

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Speaker 1: thought about the coach almost being fired, but yet you

427
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Speaker 1: look up and it all is well? Or is everything

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Speaker 1: well in Milwaukee? Or what's the what are the filings

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Speaker 1: and energy behind us? And then Janis who just plays

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Speaker 1: so hard and you admire but it yet he scared

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Speaker 1: you every time he does it is injured going into

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Speaker 1: the NBA finals. What are the filings right now in Milwaukee?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's celebratory, is that they're in the NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals for the first time since nineteen seventy four. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there there is no oh man, I wish it would

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Speaker 1: have gone this way or that way, or it could

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Speaker 1: have gone differently. They're in the finals and that is

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Speaker 1: all that is going to matter to them, and that

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Speaker 1: is all that matters to the city of Milwaukee. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think there there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: hope that Yannis shows up in this NBA Finals that

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Speaker 1: he is going to be able to play. So for

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Speaker 1: them to get through that without Yannis, if anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: rather than thinking about the bitter sweet nature of it,

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Speaker 1: for all those guys, they got the chance to kind

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Speaker 1: of prove to people that they can do things right. Like,

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Speaker 1: it isn't just Yannis and the Yanna sets like there

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Speaker 1: there is a whole variety of players that can actually

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Speaker 1: do things. So Chris Middleton having two quarters where he

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Speaker 1: goes for twenty points in a single quarter in an

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals, to Holiday having big games, Brook Lopez

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Speaker 1: having a monster game, like all the players on the

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Speaker 1: team got the chance to remind everyone that there are

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Speaker 1: other players on the roster other than Yannis. And yes,

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Speaker 1: people will say, well, Trey Young was heard and the

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Speaker 1: Hawks weren't very good and they didn't deserve to be there,

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Speaker 1: and that's all well and good. But the Bucks are

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Speaker 1: in the finals and those guys played well in the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals. So if Milwaukee it is all celebratory

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Speaker 1: right now? Is they here to Phoenix for the NMEA

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Speaker 1: Finals tomorrow? Eric Eric Dame covers the Bucks for The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on Twitter at Eric It's name is n

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Speaker 1: e h M. So it's Eric underscore names. You want

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Speaker 1: to follow his work on Twitter, just read his stuff

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Speaker 1: in the Athletic. Okay, what is that? What's the real

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Speaker 1: status of Jannis? Yeah? I think with Jannat it's always

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Speaker 1: interesting because to this point, where like Lebron, he just

468
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Speaker 1: feels superhuman like no matter, no matter what happens, you

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Speaker 1: just think, oh, he's gonna be okay in a couple

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Speaker 1: of days, and it's a ridiculous thing to think. But

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Speaker 1: then it just keeps coming true. Like you look at

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Speaker 1: that hyper extension that Yannas had and you think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: everything in his knee is tore up, like ever, it

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Speaker 1: has to be right, that has to be the case.

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Speaker 1: And then you find out that nothing is tore up

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Speaker 1: and it's just a hyper extension, and that you know

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Speaker 1: he has a chance to be back. You know. I

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Speaker 1: think with this Bucks team, there's a reason that he

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Speaker 1: was listed as doubtful in that series, Like there's the

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Speaker 1: reason is that they were hopeful that if they really

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Speaker 1: needed him, they could dust him off and try to

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Speaker 1: get him into that game. And that's always been the

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Speaker 1: sense around people in his campus that if they needed

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Speaker 1: him for a game seven, but he was gonna get

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Speaker 1: out on the floor. Obviously they didn't. Now we're looking

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Speaker 1: at a game one, and I think that same thing

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Speaker 1: kind of remains that they are going to be incredibly

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Speaker 1: hopeful that he can get out on the floor. And

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Speaker 1: I think where it gets interesting is that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Gianna should have a bone out of his leg,

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Speaker 1: and he would try to convince, like Rudolder, that he

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Speaker 1: should play like. He would be like, hey, man, I'm good,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't. Yeah, it's just a bone, It's fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Let me in. That's the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about with Gianna. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: where the conversation gets a little bit more difficult, because

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Speaker 1: there is always going to be some aspect of protecting

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Speaker 1: a player from himself, of making sure that he isn't

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Speaker 1: endangering himself or honestly endangering himself for later in the series.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, it might be great it's before for game one,

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Speaker 1: but it's in game one he does enough damage he

502
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Speaker 1: takes himself off for game two? Is that really the

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Speaker 1: right move? So I think that's probably the calculus. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think all indications from around the organization

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Speaker 1: are that they are are really thinking he's going to

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Speaker 1: be able to play in this series. It's just a

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Speaker 1: matter of when and not at all. Right, let me

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Speaker 1: put you on a spot here, is Chris Middleton more

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan or is he more Scottie Pippen? And are

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Speaker 1: we not putting enough respect on his name? And if not? Why?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting? Um. I mean I think in in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter he has some MG in him. There's

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But I think what makes

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Speaker 1: it interesting is that for years we've talked about Giannis

515
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Speaker 1: being a flawed superstar, right like he's he's winning MVPs,

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Speaker 1: but his jump shot still isn't good, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he just kind of gets to the rim and he dunks,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the the idea is always that he's

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Speaker 1: not skilled enough to to really be a superstar despite

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Speaker 1: winning two MVPs. So on its face it can be

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Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. But what people are talking about is

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Speaker 1: the ability to lay in the game, give you honest football,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna take five dribbles as you guys are

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Speaker 1: just talking about Kawhi Lear's like he's gonna take five dribbles,

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Speaker 1: hit a step back jumper and close out the game.

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Speaker 1: That probably isn't Janice's skill set, Like that isn't going

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Speaker 1: to be what he is in who he is at

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Speaker 1: any point in his career. But what Chris Middleton is

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Speaker 1: is that guy m He does like taking five dribbles

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Speaker 1: and taking a step back jumper. And I think the

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Speaker 1: tough part is that Chris is not quite good enough

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Speaker 1: to go up onto that Kawhi ledge, that Kevin Durant ledge,

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Speaker 1: but he's on the ledge just below it, that that

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Speaker 1: two area, and when that happens, it's tough to categorize

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Speaker 1: exactly what he is because he is so good in

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Speaker 1: those moments and he does like taking tough shots and

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Speaker 1: he does like creating tough shots for himself. That in

538
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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, it's very helpful, but maybe that's not

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Speaker 1: what you want throughout the whole game. And to me, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it makes this kind of perfect partnership where the gaps

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Speaker 1: in Chris's game Jannis can fill because Chris doesn't get

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Speaker 1: to the rim. That that isn't how this goes. Like,

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Speaker 1: like we've all seen Chris that the whole team kind

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Speaker 1: of jokes on him for being six eight and never

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Speaker 1: dunking like that stuff isn't for Chris, but that stuffs

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Speaker 1: for Giannas and then the stuff that isn't Fannie the closer,

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Speaker 1: the step back jumpers, being able to get a tough

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Speaker 1: shot off at any scenario that is for Chris. And

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Speaker 1: it's kind of made this this really interesting relationship between

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Speaker 1: these two guys where they kind of fill in the

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Speaker 1: gaps that they have as players. Air game. Joining us

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Speaker 1: here on the Dan Patrick Show, Doug gotlie Bryan Hollins

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Speaker 1: in for Dan and the Danettes. How do they match

554
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Speaker 1: up with the Suns. The two games the Bucks and

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00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: Suns played were decided by two points total. The Suns

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Speaker 1: won both of them by one point. They go to

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Speaker 1: overtime and one high scoring. I think where this gets

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Speaker 1: really tough is that, you know, we've seen the Bucks

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Speaker 1: do a couple of different things defensively throughout this postseason,

560
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Speaker 1: but they've all been with brook Lopez on the floor,

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Speaker 1: and essentially what they what they did against the Nats

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Speaker 1: was brook Lopez was a helper, but PJ. Tucker was

563
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Speaker 1: going to go hand to hand combat against Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: and do everything that he can to make it really

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Speaker 1: tough on him, but the Nats had injuries other places

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Speaker 1: and they could get through defensively against the Hawks. The

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Speaker 1: Bucks were really willing to switch with brook Lopez, and

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Speaker 1: you know, an injured Trey Young and then Kevin Herner

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Speaker 1: and Bogan Macdovic weren't good enough to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: that switch. Chris Paul and Devin Booker are good enough

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of that switch. They will happily go

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Speaker 1: one out of boat against brook Lopez and they can

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Speaker 1: beat that that coverage like that, that is just kind

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Speaker 1: of the reality of situation. So then you have to

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Speaker 1: work backwards from there. Okay, can you put PJ Tucker

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Speaker 1: on one of those guys? Yeah, it gets a little

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Speaker 1: bit tough for PJ is good against Durant because he

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Speaker 1: can be physical and Durant doesn't really flop and Durant

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Speaker 1: doesn't really like going to the rim. Booker can kind

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Speaker 1: of get to the rim and do some of those

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Speaker 1: other things. So I think it's more difficult for this

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Speaker 1: Bucks team. Obviously, they lost Donte DiVincenzo in the first round.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the guys that can help do some

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Speaker 1: of that defending, where in the past you could have

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Speaker 1: said Okay, Drew Holliday, who's also one of the better

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Speaker 1: one on one defenders in the league, and Donte DiVincenzo. Okay,

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Speaker 1: those are the guys that can cover the guards. Now

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Speaker 1: you have to kind of try to sneak PJ. Tucker

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Speaker 1: onto one of them, and it gets a lot more difficult.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's tough because the regular season matchups

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Speaker 1: might not end up meaning a lot just because of

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Speaker 1: the injuries that we've seen for this Bucks roster. But

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Speaker 1: for me, it's there. There's going to be the concern,

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Speaker 1: and this has been the concern of anyone in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: is how to cover both Chris Paul and Devin Booker

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Speaker 1: and in the Bucks are going to be a man

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Speaker 1: short and trying to do so. Will Aaron Rodgers be

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Speaker 1: a Game three? Oh? Man, I got rid to that,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, let's let's say he will. He's a

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Speaker 1: right already owner help you there, Okay. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: he's been in the state in Wisconsin since he since

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Speaker 1: uh since since the draft day when people thought he

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Speaker 1: wanted wanted out. So we'll, we'll, we shall see. Eric

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Speaker 1: should be a great series, a lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: cover a lot of work for you. Really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: joining us. Thanks Eric, absolutely, thanks for having guys. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's Eric name. He covers the bucks for the athletic

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Speaker 1: at Eric Underscore name. That's n e h m, n

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Speaker 1: e h m. What would a championship do for Chris Paul.

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Speaker 1: I think we're both in. You're a little bit further

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Speaker 1: I really don't. But that said, there is Hey, look

633
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: they went to gotten here if not for a lot

634
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: of things going in their favorite both teams. Really, if

635
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: you kind of get down to it, that said, where

636
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: are you on if Chris Paul wins this thing? Right?

637
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: How much does that change who Chris Paul is as

638
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: a player historically? You know, It's what's interesting. You know,

639
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: no one can doubt that. And I play with Chris

640
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: that this is the one notch on Chris's belt that

641
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have. You know, obviously he wasn't a season MVP,

642
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: but he's got an Olympic gold medal, you know, led

643
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: the league and assist you know, Monster Games All Star,

644
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Game MVP, multi Year All Star, but didn't have a

645
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: championship on his belt. We couldn't do it with the

646
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Live City Clippers. It just didn't work out. We didn't

647
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: fit well. We weren't a playoff bread team. And a

648
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of people are tossing him into your top five

649
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: point guards all time leap praguetting a couple of players.

650
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I I don't know where I stand, Doug. I don't

651
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: think that I'm necessarily sold necessarily to say he's top

652
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: five all time. But I'm not gonna say that he's

653
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: not top five. What all time point guards? All time

654
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: top five point guard? I mean like, like, look here,

655
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: so here's the thing. Where's That's what I'm saying, where's

656
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: my io? I do think that the list thing, and

657
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I kind of we tongue and cheeked it with the

658
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: list a little bit, but it's like, look, magic is

659
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: probably the greatest point guard ever, um and I think

660
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: it's Stockton Isaiah and I understand. So the Stockton argument

661
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: is really, well the only argument against John Stockton, as

662
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: he didn't win a championship. He got the Utah Jazz

663
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: the finals twice, and he's the all time assist leader.

664
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: He was a very good defensive player, led the leagues

665
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: and steal several times over. He was second team all defense,

666
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: like four or five different times, tremendous player. So I

667
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: think what you have to do is you have to

668
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: contextualize it, like Steph is not a point guard? Now

669
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: he's Is he a point guard? Yeah? Is point guard?

670
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: No he's not. He's not traditional point guard. When I'm saying,

671
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: but that's that's where Chris Paul falls in line, right,

672
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: if you want to be honest about it, he go

673
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the traditional point guards, you know, and

674
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Isaiah was a big score at times. But Isaiah and

675
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: Magic and stocked in like, those are the those are

676
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: the guys in the in the modern era of basketball

677
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: that are the best. And I think Chris Paul is

678
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: writing that discussion, I think where he's done himself a

679
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: disservices with the flopping. I think some of the chip

680
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: on the shoulder, and look when you're the like John

681
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Stockton was mean, dude, those guys you you gotta be

682
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: a little bit mean. Isaiah Thomas not liked around the league.

683
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: Like you. You gotta be tougher than a two dollars

684
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: stake at that that position because dudes are coming at

685
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: you and you just you just have to be tougher

686
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: than anybody else. I think that's where the forget the

687
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: rankings of all because like, what is James Harden a

688
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: point guard? Yeah, but Lebron James point but the traditional

689
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: point guard. He's the best of this era. But that's

690
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: what you scare me when you say Steph Curry's not

691
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: a point guard, even though it's the only thing he played.

692
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: Because to your point, I could probably say Luca is

693
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: consistently more of a point guard and passer and facilitator

694
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: or at moment now the way Harden plays, yes as

695
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: a point guard rather than Steph Curry. But I don't

696
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: think we want to open up the point guard debate

697
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: by throwing those guys into it. You know, Oscar Robinson

698
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were trolling the big oh

699
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: in the point guard. You know, debate top point guard

700
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: all the time. So it's just it's just if you

701
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: here's here's a good rule of thumb. If you didn't

702
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: see a guy play, you probably shouldn't comment on him.

703
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: And that's what I didn't. You didn't see a guy

704
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: like like where do you put you know, where do

705
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you put Jerry West and Elgin Bayler and and you know,

706
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: like I when I saw I saw Kareem, but it

707
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: was not prime Kareem. It was you know, but I mean,

708
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: Kareem should be on any great list, but he you know,

709
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: it's when we saw Look. I think that that for

710
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Chris paul Um, it's this championship will help him. I

711
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: think if he wins it more so than most. And

712
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: here's why. If you do the all time debate, you

713
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: put a championship in his name, that change it. Additionally,

714
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: you can play point guard this way and still have

715
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: a team, make it beat successful. You don't have to

716
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: be the dominant ball handler and and scoring thirty a

717
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: night and having just a you know, ridiculous volume of possessions. Right.

718
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: But I also think that many guys in their thirties,

719
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: late thirties, mid to late thirties have won a championship

720
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: but not been a primary piece of that championship. That's

721
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: not the case. He's not their best player. Devin Booker's

722
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: their best player. True, he could be their most important

723
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: player even though they only you know, they were two

724
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: and oh without him. Very true. Nah, Now you're right,

725
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: But if you have a championship in that in that debate,

726
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: in any debate, if you go like but yeah, you

727
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: won a championship, and he was the point guard, and

728
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: he was a reason. You know, look at what he

729
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: did to eliminate, Um, who they just beat? Why am I?

730
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: Why am I blanking who they just beat? They just beat?

731
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: That wasn't the jazz was right. And again, no one's

732
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna go back and go like, well the Clippers didn't

733
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: have Kauhi. No, he had forty one in elimination game

734
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: and played virtually perfect basketball coming off of you know,

735
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: when he's shot down with COVID and he's you know,

736
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: barely played. So it wasn't there was a little bit

737
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: of rust. So I think a championship does a lot

738
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: for him. I really do. No, No, you're right now,

739
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: you can't question a lot. But here's the thing where

740
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: the championship really comes into play. Um, if you have

741
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: two players who are incredibly close, yeah, and the championship

742
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: is the nod. Didn't you say, Okay, how much of

743
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: of the championship were you? But for me, I can't

744
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: put Chris above Stockton because even though Stockton didn't win

745
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: a championship, Stockton made it there consistently the assist on

746
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: the all time boarder there. He's known for the pick

747
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: and roll. I think we are gonna have to put

748
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: respect on Chris Paul's name as the best pick and

749
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: roll player since Johnny Stocked. He is the pick and

750
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: roll or maybe Chris Paul is the lob right, he's

751
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: he's the lob threat. Okay, the lib passer, facilitator, lib

752
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: kings whatever. And even though Stockton didn't win a championship,

753
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: let's say Chris Paul does. He lost to Michael Jordan,

754
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm gonna put a respect on the

755
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: guy who lost to Michael Jordan and came back with

756
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: no major changes to the lineup, Like they didn't go

757
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: out and signed Clyde Drexler in the offseason, and then

758
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: still lost to Michael Jordan. Like it was the exact

759
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: same team coming back losing to the same team on

760
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: the other side. So I put respect on Johnny Stockton's

761
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: career more so than Chris Paul's. If I'm gonna get

762
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna get tight to it. But there's

763
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: levels to it. Like you said you degree, okay, championship

764
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: or not. How much of a piece of a championship

765
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: were you? How consistently did you make it there? You know,

766
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul wasn't a consistent guy getting to that level.

767
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: But it is a big notch. I agree. Did you

768
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: enjoy your experience playing with Chris? I did? I did.

769
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: We had I had. We had success in LA that

770
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: was due to him. And when I finished up with

771
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: the Celtics and I was stepping into free agency, Chris

772
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: was a major piece in reason why I came to

773
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: LA because I felt like we had a chance to

774
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: win a championship. I took less money. He had been

775
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: a guy that I had want to play with for

776
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: a very long time, and we had success. It just

777
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: wasn't Chris just wasn't what you how do I put

778
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: this duck? Chris wasn't what was advertised behind in front

779
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: of the scenes, behind the scenes, he was a different player.

780
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: He was competitive, he was chippy, He's a winner. He's

781
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: yet was also limited And I'm thankful because we had

782
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: success a lot of it because of him. We just

783
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: did not get over the edge. But I can't diminish like, Okay,

784
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: am I mad that I played with him? No, I'm

785
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: thankful I did it. I absolutely am. He He he

786
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: took our team, He took the Clippers to another level.

787
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: It's just not a championship level. And I think that

788
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: was the tag. He takes you to the next level,

789
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: it's just not the championship level. You know, the uh

790
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: the Pelicans at the time were they were the Pelicans

791
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: in whatever they were, the Hornets then everybody. That's a

792
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: great way to put it. He made every team he

793
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: was on better. Okay, but did he did he make

794
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: them a champion? And to this point the answer is no.

795
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: We'll see as this is obviously the PSD resistance of

796
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: his collection of teams. All right, so, uh, officially you're

797
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: taking the sons and officially we both agree on she

798
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: carry richardson that like what just because social media says

799
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: she should be allowed to run. It's a rule. She

800
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: knew the rules. She knew she's putting in her body.

801
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: It's not really a discussion. And she's not even she's

802
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: not even expression that she didn't know the rule. It's

803
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: not discriminations. She's not being discriminated against the hes been rules. Okay,

804
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: all right, all right, good talk, good talk. Are you

805
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna hear Ryan on the weekends. You can hear me

806
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: daily three to six Eastern time or twelve three Pacific

807
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: on this series, these series XM stations, or on Fox

808
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: Sports Radio for Ryan Hollins on Doug Gottlie boys are

809
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: back tomorrow and I know that none of them were injured,

810
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: although we haven't written Dan on Fox Sports Radio