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But these powders they have a 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: bear tract called gold Dust says it's five d times 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: sweeter than sugar and it's ultra powerful scent that you 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: just sprinkle on. It's like in a it's almost like 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: in a spice container. But check out Northwoods Bear Products 46 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Net for that. This podcast is gonna be different than 47 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: anything that we've ever done. What we're gonna do well, 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: First of all, I've got my good friend Brent Reeves 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: in the office with us and Kolbe the bear tech 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: more head. For those of you that don't know, we 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: don't really give Brent much of an introduction, but Brent 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: has traveled with me all over the place filming. Brent 53 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: was the cameraman that was with me when the bear 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: touched the end of my arrow it Saskatchewan, and that 55 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: YouTube video, well, Brent was behind the camera. So Brent's 56 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. Brent was in the office 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: and here's what we did. We listened to a song 58 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: that was written in the nineteen sixties was covered by 59 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Lyle Lovett later and you're gonna listen to the next 60 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: thing You're gonna hear when my voice fades is you're 61 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: gonna hear this song play and we spend an hour 62 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: talking about this song, drawing parallels to bear hunting, bara biology, 63 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: and life from this incredible jewel that we just discovered 64 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: the other day. You're gonna have a lot of fun 65 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast. Here's the song. Some folks say 66 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: there ain't no bears, so some folks never seen a beard. 67 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Some folks say the bears go around in Davis role. 68 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: Some folks got a bear cross the whole. The folks 69 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: say the bears go around smelling bear. Others say that 70 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: a bear is money. Some folks say this bear is 71 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the best I ever had. Some folks gotta be there. 72 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: Some folks trying the bears out of trying to see 73 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: the pay. Yeah, I just bear up to my vile 74 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: littlest Some folks can see the beary. Some folks try 75 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: bears out of willness sound to see a bear. Pay 76 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: for me. I just bear up to my b little 77 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: little best, And some folks even seen bearing me. You 78 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: show me the bear and take him on out to 79 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: lunch with you, even though your friends may stop and stay. 80 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: I just remember that a fair there in the bunch 81 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: with you, and I just don't come no better than bear. 82 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: You son't need to bear and take him on out 83 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: to lunch with you, even though your friends may stop 84 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: and still I just remember that a pair there and 85 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: the punch with you and just won't come no better 86 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: than a bear. They just don't come no better than man. 87 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: That is a good song, very unique. So the other day, 88 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Kobe and I are here in the office and somebody 89 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: tagged Koby on Facebook with a little Facebook music video 90 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: and it was Rebecca Spring, our friend justin. Rebecca Spring 91 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: up in Montana bear puncher. She is known worldwide for 92 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: having fist punched a bear in the dark, I think 93 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: in Oregon. We talked about it on one of the 94 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: podcasts Conservation is a Rodeo. Conservations wrote, Yeah, so Rebecca 95 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: Spring tags Kolby and all she says is, hey, this 96 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: is you guys, okay, And it was just like a 97 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: little meme looking thing, and so it's it was totally 98 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you you might just overlook, 99 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: which we both did for a few days, you know, 100 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: we just didn't quite catch up with it. And then 101 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Kolbe plays it and I said, what did that song 102 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: just say? In The first line of this song says, 103 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: some folks say there ain't no bears in Arkansas, and 104 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: I about came unglued, and we listened to this whole song, 105 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: and I'm serious, I was like giddy like a schoolgirl 106 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: when we listened to this song called Bears. And so 107 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: I immediately texted Brent Reeves, who is a He's with 108 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: us today at the Global Headquarch Brett Reeves. Hey, Brett Reeves. So, 109 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is a consciousseur of music of my friends. 110 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: Like I love music, Don't get me wrong. I would 111 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: never go out and like search out music like I 112 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: really appreciate music, love music. I'm moved by music. I 113 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: will never in my life go like look for good music. Now, 114 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: Kobe is a music dude, yep, And I would consider 115 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: you a music guy. Oh yeah, which man, My wife 116 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and I, our whole family will travel anywhere if we, 117 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, to listen to somebody that we that we 118 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: enjoy listening to. It's like a family, you know event. 119 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: And so I knew that you were gonna have heard 120 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: of this song that's covered by Lyle we Well, we 121 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: thought it was from We thought it was written by 122 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Lyle Love it and we did some background which we're 123 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: gonna share with everybody. But this song is called bears 124 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: By Lyle love it and it was on YouTube and 125 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: it was on Facebook. Kobe had never heard of it. 126 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: Colby's here with us the bear tech Yep, yep. And 127 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: I'm from Texas and you're from Texas. Never heard of 128 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: So I text a YouTube link to Brent and what 129 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: do you do? Brent? Well, you said the text was, 130 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: and I'm reading it. Why have you never told me 131 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: about this song? I thought there was. It was one 132 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: of any number of songs that I had when when 133 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: when when we when we drive to Canada, We've got 134 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: thirty hours to listen to music podcast and talk and 135 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: sleep and arguing fight which Clay always wins. And why 136 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: we had not We listened to every song there was 137 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: ever recorded far as I know, and any number of 138 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: those I would say, Oh, man, I like this song. 139 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: Who sings that? Well, that's Willie Nelson. Who's that guy? 140 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: That's usually what Clay's response are, Oh yeah, I recognize 141 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: that song, but he don't know who any of the 142 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: people are. So when he sent me this, I'm thinking 143 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: this is gonna be some elementary I'm gonna get to 144 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: make fun of him. I'm gonna get to poke fun 145 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: at him. Kobe and I are going to ridicule and 146 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: for not knowing this song. And when he started playing, 147 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's lie. Love his voice, but I 148 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: have never heard this song, and it is the coolest 149 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: song a man. It's got like if it if it 150 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: had these lyrics and was kind of a crummy song, 151 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: we'd probably still be doing this podcast. But it not 152 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: only has cool lyrics, it's a song. Yeah, tune is good, 153 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: like it's got that kind of classic classic rock sort 154 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: of country like old Eagles stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, like 155 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: from the seventies, like country rock or whatever you want 156 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: to call it. Eagles played that was a rock group 157 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: back in I thought it was a conservation. It takes, 158 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: but it is. Don't get me with the music, guys, 159 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't get it. The tune and the the whole 160 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: interpretation of the song and the music is really cool 161 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: and I've never heard it. Well. So so when I 162 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: hear this song, we play it like over and over 163 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: here at Global Headquarters somewhere between five and ten. Maybe 164 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: we lost count on our fingers. Yeah yeah, And so 165 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: immediately my mind starts to dissect these lyrics and I 166 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: begin to like see into each line. But before that, 167 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: I say, let's do some research on this song. So 168 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Lyle Lovett didn't write this song. He kind of made 169 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: it famous just when he covered it in the nineties. 170 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: So who wrote it? Stephen from Holtz? And what do 171 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: we know about Stephen Fromholtz. He was a really cool dude, 172 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: a good songwriter from Texas. Uh, he originally recorded it, 173 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: and he recently died in in a hunting accident. Bizarre. Yeah, 174 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: is that not bizarre? A guy writes the song about bears, 175 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: Lyle love covers it. We listened to it, go research 176 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: the original songwriter, and he, Stephen Fromholtz, was kind of 177 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: a Is he kind of a country singer? Yeah? Yeah, 178 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: they call him. Uh, they say he's a from the 179 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: cosmic cowboy world Texas country, like Texas country, some folk, okay, 180 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: like folks kind of a thing. And so he wrote 181 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: this song when I wanted I saw I had it 182 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: here somewhere. I think it was in the sixties. Yeah, 183 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: it's the sixties or seventies. It's yeah, it's a long 184 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: time ago. So Stephen from Holtz writes this song and 185 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: apparently from Holtz was in his time and with his people, 186 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: pretty well known guy, I think from everything that I've 187 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: read about him, because I've never heard of him either, 188 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: but I've heard some of his music to other people, 189 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: he was more known as a songwriter than a performer. 190 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: And down around Houston and Austin, wherever exactly he was located, 191 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: there was I think Austin. Maybe there is a whole 192 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: culture down there in Texas music that you'll there will 193 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: be some guys come out of there, like Pat Green. 194 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: He's a big mainstream guy. But back in the day, 195 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: you know, he was well known, but it was a 196 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: small and I think that's what the deal was with 197 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: this from Holz. Okay, so everybody would kind of a 198 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: household more of a household name would be Lyle love It. Okay, Well, 199 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: we watched the deal earlier where Lyle love It said 200 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: that he opened for Stephen from Holtz and he talked 201 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: about how from Holtz would come. So he said, if 202 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: you were the opening act for somebody famous, So that 203 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: was kind of a you know, at one point from 204 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: Holtz was bigger than love It, and he said that 205 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: from Holtz would come out and meet the guys that 206 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: were in his opening act, which was a rare thing, 207 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: and love its size, and so Lyle love It really 208 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of respect for Stephen from Holtz and 209 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: then Lyle love It said that he learned how to 210 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: play this song Bears when he was seventeen years old 211 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: and it and it was one of his favorite songs 212 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: he said to play and end. Okay, now this is 213 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna tip us off to the meaning of this song, 214 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: because we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna spend some yarns 215 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: here about what the meaning of this song is. Why 216 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: I love It said, that's one of his favorite songs 217 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: about human nature. Okay, so this is the Bear Hunting 218 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. They've written a song about Arkansas bears. Maybe, 219 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: uh you know what, God gun it. There's another song 220 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: about Arkansas bears, no doubt, an old song. Yeah, we 221 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta look it up part two. We need 222 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: to look it up now. Um. No, there there is 223 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: an old like folk song from the eighteen hundreds about 224 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Arkansas bears. Yes, we will, we will the in so Arkansas. 225 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Arkansas was known nationally in the eighteen hundreds because of bears, 226 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: because of a story written by a guy called it 227 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: in the title of the story was called the Big 228 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: Bears of Arkansas. And I'm pretty sure it was a 229 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: by a guy with the last name Thorpe Okay, and 230 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: they used to call him. What did they call him? 231 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: They had they had name it was. It was like 232 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: a specific type of writing that was like I haven't 233 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: done my research on this. I'm pulling this from years 234 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: ago of learning about this. But the story was written 235 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: and published in all these big Eastern magazines like New York, 236 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: New York Newspapers, New York magazines, and back in the 237 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, that was the only kind of media there was. 238 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: What do they call those? It's some kind of Western 239 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: um they got leave. But it's like they exaggerated the truth. 240 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like in these stories they it wasn't a 241 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: tall tale. They called it. It's something with westerns. But 242 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll we'll look it up. But but basically 243 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: it was a classic way to tell a story. And 244 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: this guy wrote a story about the Big Bears of Arkansas, 245 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: and it was the story of a guy on a 246 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: riverboat in the Mississippi River going this is what the 247 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: story is about. So this is and The story is 248 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: that there's this guy and all the character's name was 249 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: Jim Thorpe, maybe not Jim Thorpe, Thorpe something Thorpe. And 250 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: he is on a boat and he's a mountain man 251 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: from Arkansas, and he's on this boat going down with 252 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: all these people going rich people going to Louisiana or 253 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: people that didn't know Arkansas. And this guy starts telling 254 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: stories about the big bears of Arkansas and how they're 255 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: grape vines as as big as trees in the ground 256 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: was so rich and fertile, and the bears were huge, 257 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: and this story became real well known, so people, you 258 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: know how people would just identify certain regional stuff. Arkansas 259 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: became known for bears in the eight hundreds. Yeah, we 260 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: were the bear state for a long time, right, Yeah, absolutely, 261 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: we were known as the bear state and it came 262 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: from that time period. And so anyway, but there was 263 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: a story written about Arkansas bears during that time. Um. Yeah, 264 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: we totally got to take your time out alright during 265 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: this podcast time out, I want to tell you that 266 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: the September October issue of Bear Hunting Magazine is going 267 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: to be reaching our subscribers before the first September. This 268 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: is an incredible issue. We've got an article, a ton 269 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: of pictures from a advance, and we've got some pound 270 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: stuff from Utah. We've got the article about a big 271 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: bear that I killed in Oklahoma last year. Pounds to 272 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: check out bear hyphen Hunting dot com. And hey, use 273 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: the code b h M twenty to get five dollars 274 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: off a new subscription. Back to the podcast, time in 275 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: and we're back, And we're back. Okay, sad story. We 276 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: cannot locate the song, but I vividly remember as an 277 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: old folk song. But we did. We did look at 278 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: the article Big Bears from Arkansas, written in eighteen twenty 279 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: seven by Thomas bang eighteen twenty seven. That's what you 280 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: said eighty one. So we did some massive research on this, Okay, 281 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: written by Thomas bang Thorpe, not Jim Thorpe, the athlete um. 282 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: And it was and it's called Southwestern humor, which is 283 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: where they exaggerate to kind of prove a point in 284 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: these big, colorful stories with big characters. And it's a 285 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: lot of fun. But my whole point was is that 286 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: there was a time when Arkansas really was nationally known 287 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: from bears. I actually read a book. I don't have 288 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: it in here, but it talks about how the title 289 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: of it is how a state got its name from 290 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: Hillbilly's Bear Hunters and Outlaws. That is the title of 291 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: an academic book written by a professor up in southern Missouri. 292 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: And it talks about how that those stories coming out 293 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: of Arkansas, which there were these writers that would come 294 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: in and I mean they were looking for colorful things happening, 295 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, and and that one story by by Thomas 296 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: spain Thorp's like kind of guided in people's mind bears 297 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: in Arkansas because there were bears in Mississippi, there were 298 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: bears in Louisiana, there bears in Alabama. But like this 299 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: one story kind of branded Arkansas about bears. And then 300 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: it's like it started multiplying and like people would come 301 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: here and they would say, oh, there's bears and are 302 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: and and so it was an example of how that 303 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: like the culture kind of became known as bear hunters. 304 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: Which is what's amazing to me is that the average 305 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: Arkansas sportsman today wouldn't know that we were branded by 306 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, yeah, that's right, It's exactly right. It 307 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: works the same today. It's just a lot quicker. Yeah, 308 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: it's a little bit quicker. So that that happened. Um, 309 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: So we were talking though about about this from Holtz 310 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: guy that wrote this song. Bears bizarre that this guy 311 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: last year this would have been like an old man 312 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: from Holtz would have been I don't know, I only 313 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: would have been sixty eight years old, is in Texas 314 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: and is doing some hog hunting on maybe one of 315 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: his ranches. Ye yep, he was a rancher. Tell us 316 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: what it says. Uh. It says that he the accident 317 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: involved an unexpected discharge of his shotgun, and the feral 318 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: hogs have been menacing the goat population on his ranch. 319 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's so a little gun safety talk here 320 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: for real. I read an arc on other one was 321 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: a news arcle that said that I don't remember if 322 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: it actually claimed, but it alluded to he was take 323 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, a fire um out of the truck when 324 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: it discharged. So I mean, you can only somehow you 325 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: know the barrel was pointing towards you can I can. 326 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: I tell you guys a story. I love a story. 327 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago I put it on Instagram story of 328 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: a giant walking stick that was in my truck. I 329 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: did see that. I saw the picture. I looked up 330 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: the scientific name of that walking stick. But it's actually 331 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 1: called a giant walking stick. That's the name of it. 332 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: The scientific name is is different. Yeah, there's six inches long. 333 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: The females can be over six inches long, and they're 334 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: abody as big around as your pinky finger. Not kidding. Yeah, 335 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: the other night we went coon hunting and one of 336 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: those things got in my truck, okay, and the kids 337 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: were messing around with it in the back and we're 338 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: kind of we had some kids from out of town 339 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: that were with us, and they were kind of afraid 340 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: of it. Well when we got when we got home, 341 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: everybody just got out of the truck and went on 342 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: and I didn't think much about this giant walking stick. 343 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: This is a this is a gun safety story that's 344 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: gonna get real serious here in a minute. I get 345 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: in my truck the next day, and that giant walking 346 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: stick is on the top of the driver's passenger seat headboard, 347 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, like the headrest. It's just sitting there, perched 348 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: like an eagle. No doubt we coon under the night before. 349 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: I had my Ruger ten twenty two in the seat 350 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: and it was the longest item that I had, and 351 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: I did not want to pick this thing up with 352 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: my hand. I'm gonna be honest, I am very safe 353 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: with a gun. And the gun was unloaded and didn't 354 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: even have a magazine in it. I knew that, but 355 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: I didn't double check that. Yeah, I just knew that 356 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: because I don't always when we leave a coon tree, 357 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: I take the magazine out, jack shell out new the 358 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: guns unloaded. Well, I decided that I'm gonna use this 359 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: gun to swipe this walking stick off the top of 360 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: my truck. I pick up this gun in in just 361 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: a flurry of activity, I swoop at that thing. Oh 362 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: I know what happened. I reached in and got the 363 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: iron sights like behind him, like put the barrel right 364 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: up beside him, and you know, like the iron side 365 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: would be on the end, and I was gonna swoop 366 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: it back towards me and out the door. Well, when 367 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: I did, I drew pulled the gun back towards me. 368 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: The gun hits the door, bounces out of my hands, 369 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: lands on the concrete on the on the butt of 370 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: the gun just bam right in between my legs with 371 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: a barrel just sticking like right at me. No, no 372 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: shot was discharged. The gun was loaded, but in that moment, 373 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: in the walking stick out of the truck, it worked. 374 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: But I thought, God, that's how people get killed. Yeah, 375 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: for no, for real, like, because something totally unexpected happened. 376 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: I didn't expect the gun to bounce out of my 377 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: hand onto the ground. Thank goodness, no one was there 378 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: to see it, So no one will ever know that 379 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: that happened. Can you imagine the article there was brought 380 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: down by a walking stick? There was two of y'all. 381 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: I got surprised by that, you and the walking stick. 382 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to take light of a 383 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: gun safety accident, but I did want to say that 384 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: so it's a funny story. At the same time, I 385 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: literally kind of took a deep breath because when I 386 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: was a kid, my dad I very vividly remember my 387 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: dad telling me that one time he pulled a shotgun, 388 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: a loaded shotgun off safety, out of a truck towards him. 389 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: He was bird hunting and gun was laid across the 390 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: back of the seat. He reaches in and grabs it, 391 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: pulls it towards him with a all towards him and 392 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: he looked down and the gun was loaded, and he 393 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: said he never made that mistake again the rest of 394 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: his life. And as a little boy, that impacted me 395 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, he told me the gun 396 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: could have shot me him. Yeah. So you know the 397 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: lesson there, if I may interject, is weapons are used 398 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: for one thing. You know, any time that you mishandled 399 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: him or you use them for something they're not intended 400 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: to be useful. That's when you can in thang yourself 401 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: like were you at home when you did this? I 402 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: was elsewhere, Okay, wherever you were, could you not? I mean, 403 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: how long would it take for you to tour around 404 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: and find a stick? Exactly? So exactly, So that's the 405 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: lesson kids, and this this guy and so this all 406 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: goes back to Fromholtz who wrote this song got killed 407 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: a tragic, tragic gun related accident, and you know he's 408 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: learned these lessons before and like knows not to do that. 409 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: So he just let his guard down once or he 410 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't have got Yeah exactly. Yeah, that's how you especially 411 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: on a ranch. Yeah. So that's that's our gun safety 412 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: talk there. But so so Lyle love it. We're transitioning 413 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: away from that terrible story and Lyle love It covers 414 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: this song bears Yep, and let's we're gonna go through 415 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: the lyrics. This is what we're gonna do on this podcast. Okay, 416 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna go through the lyrics line by line, sing them, 417 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna dissect this song. We're gonna 418 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: pull out some parallels of bear biology, bear hunting that 419 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: probably we're not the intended meaning of this song, but 420 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: we're also going to talk about kind of something. There's 421 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: a lot of different there's whole forums on the internet 422 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: about what this song means. Hey, Lyle love It. What 423 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: do you know about him? That dude great songwriter, his 424 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: his music or his singing style. I don't know if 425 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: you would categorize it as a clectic or what I mean. 426 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: It's different. I mean his voice is very unique. Yeah, 427 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: but this cat had some game. He was married to 428 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts one time after after like a three week 429 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: engagement written that's I'm just yeah. Back in the nineties, 430 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: this dude was he was hot as a firecracker and 431 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: he was in a movie with her or something. Anyway, 432 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: they wind up being married. I don't think the wedding 433 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: cake got bad yet. Before they weren't married, but a 434 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: couple of years, maybe married to Julia ro Julior Roberts, 435 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: the movie star. Okay, that's so, that's what we know 436 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: about Loud. Yeah, but I know you know that is 437 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: not his his claim to fame obviously, as he is 438 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: a triming to songwriter and this written song has been 439 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: recorded by a ton of folks. Now I love it 440 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: still a lot. Yeah, yeah, maybe we should. We should 441 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: have seen if I love it would have been on 442 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah he was. If I'll love it, here's this. 443 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: We'll do a second one if he if he wants 444 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: to come out, okay, all right, yeah, or or adjacent 445 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: somewhere adjacent to the global air conditioners working, if he 446 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: come yeah for so, okay, first line, we're gonna just 447 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: dive right in here. We're gonna dissect these lyrics and 448 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn something. Okay, first line, some folks say 449 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: there ain't no bears in Arkansas. I want, I really 450 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: would want. If I wish we could ask him where 451 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: did this song come from? Like somewhere in his history, 452 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: like he pulled that from somewhere, because he could have 453 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: said some folks said there ain't no bears and can 454 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: or Canada, but he said Arkansas. So I want to 455 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: know where did that come from. Well, he's a Texas 456 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: he's a native Texas, he grew up in Texas. You know, 457 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: maybe maybe he come up here and I need something. Well, 458 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: would have been the closest like bear country to him 459 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: at the time when order I would say, so, you know, 460 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: in the sixties, it probably would have, especially if he 461 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: was in East Texas, because that's what's incredible about and 462 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: we talked about it pretty quite a bit on this podcast. 463 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: But Arkansas was once known as a bear state, had 464 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: fifty thousand bears in the state. Arkansas is roughly fifty 465 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: thousand square miles by nineteen The Arkansas Game and Fish 466 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: Commission claims that bears were extirpated from their native range 467 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: except for a small area in the Lower White River drainage, 468 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: which is also known as the Amazon of North America. 469 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: For real, I've been there, so yeah, you duck hunted 470 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: a bunch over there. So supposedly they were the only 471 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: bears left in Arkansas. From a population of fifty thou 472 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: was fifty and the those bears were they were. They 473 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: were cut back so much because of market hunting, which 474 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm quick to say is nothing remotely like the hunting 475 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: that we do today. Market honey means guys made a 476 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: living going out shooting bears, selling their meat, selling their hides, 477 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: selling the oil. There were a valued commodity. A guy 478 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: could make a good living hunting bear in Arkansas. So 479 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: he was, he was, you know, he was. There was 480 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: incentive to go kill bears, which is no longer part 481 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: of what we do. The North American Mile of Wildlife 482 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Conservation prohibits the sell of wildlife. Okay, so that was 483 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: one reason. The main reason, though, was habitat level loss 484 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: and and uh in deforestation. I mean basically every square 485 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: inch of Arkansas, except for some of the ultra steep 486 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: stuff that was so steep they couldn't log, it was logged, 487 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, and log and then turned into farms. Yes, 488 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: And so by the nineteen forties there was no place 489 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: for bears to live, and there were no bears here 490 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: because they killed a ton of them. And and that 491 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: was people coming out of a vermin mentality. The vermin 492 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: mentality would be like these are wolves, mountain lions and 493 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: bears are bad. They should be shot on site. A 494 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: lot of people still have vermin mentality with like poisonous snakes. 495 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Um right now, though we've now moved into an era 496 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: in this country where we view wolves, bears, and lions 497 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: for the most part as valuable wildlife. You know, resources, 498 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: Wolves are another story. I'm gonna extract wolves from that 499 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: because I don't want to be in there. Yeah, now 500 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: another podcast. But here in Arkansas, bears are like now, 501 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, oh wow, bears are awesome. Back 502 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: then they weren't. Bears were like kill the bears. So 503 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: so he's writing this in the nineteen sixties, which is 504 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: interesting because the reintroduction of the Arkansas black bears, which 505 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: is considered by biologists as the most successful reintroductions of 506 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: large carnivores in the history of the world and right here, 507 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: happened between nineteen fifty four and nineteen sixty four when 508 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, without public input, brought 509 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: in bears from Minnesota and Canada and pick up trucks 510 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: with wire cages and release them in three locations, two 511 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: in the Ozarks, one in the Washing Toss. They released 512 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: two and fifty four bears over the course of ten years, 513 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: and so in the nineteen sixties the only bears that 514 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: were in the Ozarks and washing Toss would have been 515 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: these bears that they brought in. So some folks say 516 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: there ain't no bears in Arkansas. I got news for him. 517 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: They are now well. And that's what's amazing is that 518 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: after twenty five years of reintroduction. And again, this was 519 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: a time before social media. This was a time when 520 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: there was no public in They weren't having Game and 521 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: Fish meetings down at the courthouse to give public input. 522 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: They just did this and they thought it was a 523 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: total failure because these bears just disappeared into the Arkansas was. Yeah, 524 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a hundred times and I and 525 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about it and tell other people, 526 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: But I never thought I never I don't remember you 527 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: saying that the Game of Face thought it failed. They 528 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: they thought it failed because but think about how inclusive 529 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: these animals are and how small the population was. And basically, 530 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen years later, people were seeing bears. 531 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: Bears were coming around, Bears were just popping up in 532 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: new places. And in nineteen n they did the first 533 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: scientific research study. I've met the man that did. It's 534 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: a man named Kim Smith and Joe Clark. I've never 535 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: met Joe Clark, but Kim Smith is retired now. Kim 536 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: Smith did uh did a did a re church population 537 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: study on Arkansas bears. James Lawrence in the Washington Mountains 538 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: ran into those guys with big telemetry things back in 539 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: the late eighties. Yeah, James tells me about that, that 540 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: he they were riding their broncos through the washtalls and 541 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: saw these guys and they were searching bears. And it 542 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: was it would have been Kim Smith and Jill Clark, 543 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: two guys. But by nineteen nine there were bears in Arkansas, 544 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: hundredfold increase from Tutter and fifty four bears. It was 545 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: not a failure. It wasn't And Okay, And then I 546 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: got to go back to to my story though, because 547 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: they say by nineteen forty there were no bears in Arkansas. 548 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: My wife's grandfather, I don't think I've told the story 549 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: on the podcast. My wife's grandfather named Lewis Joplin. He 550 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: was a logger in Polk County, Arkansas. Best we can tell, 551 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: it would have been in the late twenties or thirties. 552 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: He killed a bear with a rock when he was 553 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: a young teenager. The last one. Okay. So so when 554 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: I started dating Misty and she knew that I was 555 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: a hunter, she said, my grandpa killed a bear with 556 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: a rock, and I was like, your grandpa killed bear 557 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: with a rock. So I really just thought this, and 558 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 1: she was just like totally offended that I didn't believe 559 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: this story. Okay, justifiably, but it was just like this 560 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: family story, like they called you know, they called him Paul, 561 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: he killed he killed a bear with a rock, and 562 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: it's like, so, how's the story. So I didn't believe it. 563 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: I just didn't believe it. But Louis Joplin passed away 564 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: at age eighty nine. In the last seven to eight 565 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: years before he died, I went to his house and 566 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, did you kill a bear 567 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: with a And he told me the whole story and 568 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: he did. He said he was walking down the road 569 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: and uh, and he said a bear cub just ran 570 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: out in front of him and saw him, and the 571 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: bear cub got scared and it ran up a little 572 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: tree about four inches in diameter and just ran up 573 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: you know. Ten fifteen feet off the ground and was 574 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: just sitting there. And that makes total sense that a 575 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: bear cub would have spooked at a human. And he 576 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: said he didn't know what to do, so he just 577 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: started chunking rocks at it and finally he hit it 578 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: and it fell out of the tree dead, and he 579 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: said he was scared to death and presumably disposed of 580 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: the bear like he didn't like he, you know, he 581 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: was just a stupid thing, like he wished he hadn't 582 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: done it, and he thought he was gonna get in trouble. 583 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: And he didn't tell anybody for years. I don't They 584 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: may be told his brothers or something, you know, But anyway, 585 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: but he killed a bear with the rock, and so 586 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: Brent thanks that may been the last one could have been. 587 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: It was like those are rock bear hits the ground 588 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: in the end and roller credits. Oh man. But okay, 589 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: but this this was my conclusion years ago because I 590 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: was trying to find what was the significance of that 591 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: nineteen forty date, because that's when they said they were 592 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: totally gone and uh, and they because there was a 593 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: breeding population if there was a cub in late twenties, 594 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: early thirties. So anyway, that's that's my story. Maybe they 595 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: weren't all gone, maybe that, but some folks. So we're 596 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: going back to the line there. Some folks said, some 597 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: folks say, there ain't no bears in Arkansas. Line to 598 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: why don't you take line to brown? Line to some 599 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: folks never seen a bear at all? Okay, talk to me. 600 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: First bear I saw in Arkansas was with you? Was 601 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: it the one you killed? Nope? It was the first 602 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: that No, that was in Oklahoma. First see a bear 603 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: over there? We did? Um, yeah, but yeah, the second year, 604 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,479 Speaker 1: the third year, the first the first bear I saw 605 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: in Arkansas was the first, the first bear that came 606 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: in before I killed the second one. That was the 607 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: first bearer ever saw. Ye live in Arkansas. That was it. 608 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm a hundred and fifty three years old 609 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: and I've been stumping around in these woods forever. Well, 610 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: what I think is interesting about these lyrics is that 611 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: he's tapping into things that are actually kind of common, 612 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: like some folks never seen a bear at all. You 613 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: can you can validate a lot of that stuff, you know, Well, 614 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: you could go talk to veteran hunters in the Arkansas 615 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: those arcs and wash tolls and say how many bears 616 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: have you seen? And and unless somebody's hunting bear and 617 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: bait and bear, most like good hunters have probably just 618 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: seen a handful of bears in their life. And uh, 619 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see a bear in a hunting 620 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: situation until I was in my twenties, and I grew 621 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: up in some good bear country in Arkansas. Now, I 622 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: did see a bear across the road when I was 623 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: like a junior in high school at night, saw a 624 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: bear across the road. But I mean I hunted in 625 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: these mountains and never saw a bear. The first my 626 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: first recollection of somebody seeing a bear my dad and 627 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: some friends. They were cold hunters. They had walker dogs 628 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 1: and they chased coats with them, and this happened at night, 629 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: and then the dogs would run and the cow would 630 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: eventually get away and they catch the dogs and we'd 631 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,959 Speaker 1: go home and we'd go do it again some other time. 632 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: On a rare occasion, the dogs will bayed a coat 633 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,280 Speaker 1: and they'd go out where every was, get their dogs, 634 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: take them back to the bring them back to the truck. 635 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: The dogs. We were three miles from my dad's house. 636 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: We were on a timber company road and the dogs. 637 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: We've been running this coat for an hour, just listening 638 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: to the dogs run. Well, the dogs, babe, two d 639 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: and fifty three d yards off the road. Man, I'm 640 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: just a little kid. I'm at that time. I was 641 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: probably six or seven. But if he made it, that 642 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: would have been like seventy two or seventy three. If 643 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: he made a track somewhere, I put one right in it. 644 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: You know. I went with him everywhere. But he said 645 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: the dog he said we got it was him and 646 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: another feather. He hunted with a lot, and they had 647 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: two small dim detail flash lights and it was a 648 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: thicket where they had bade this code in. So I 649 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: wanted to go with him. It's two o'clock in the 650 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: morning like also, and stay in the truck'll be we're 651 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: gonna go with the dogs. We were back. I can't 652 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: get you out there and this thicket and it was 653 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,959 Speaker 1: a thicket, I mean the rabbit have to total hatch 654 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: it with him to get around out there. So the 655 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: dogs are bargain. They go out there and it's just 656 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: a minute they come rolling, I mean rolling back to 657 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: the truck and I thought, well, it's a hog that. 658 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, dogs a bang a hog, I tas know 659 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: it's a bear like that a bear. He's like, yeah, 660 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: it was a bear. The dogs got a bear bait 661 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: out there. So they go back and by that time 662 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: the bear was gone. They're using small dim flashlights, you know, 663 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: like they were shocked. They were absolutely shocked. They they 664 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 1: initially thought it was a hog because we had wild 665 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 1: dogs down there still due But when they got up 666 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: there and they got to where they could see, they 667 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: could see it was a bear. And that was, like 668 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: I said, that would have been in seventy County in Arkansas. 669 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: With that, that had been in Cleveland County, I mean, 670 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: and that's not even real bear country now. No, they're 671 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: now in South uh there, there's a few folks seeing 672 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: something in Cleveland County, but in Bradley County, down in 673 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: Felsenthal in the in the Big River System, the National 674 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: Wild Refuge down there, Wildlife Refuge. I got a buddy 675 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: that's a technician down there, and they see them all 676 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: the time. Well, you know, the gaming fishes officially coming 677 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: out and saying that they're going to have a limited 678 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: bear season in the Gulf Coastal Plaine of Arkansas. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 679 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: so that's a big win. So that would have that 680 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: would have been you know, anywhere from seventy two to 681 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: seventy four. So how he was there, where he was going, 682 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: he was there? Then, well some folks never seen a 683 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: bear at all, he says, all right, going to line 684 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: number three, some folks say that bears go around eating 685 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: babies raw, that's just science. Yeah, alright, dissect us line 686 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: forest Kobe man, I don't know how you dissected too much. 687 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: They go around per date on so many young animals, 688 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: including their own. Yeah, you're right, yeah for real. So 689 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: that's just like the nature of a bear, the nature 690 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: of a bear. Okay, we gotta jump back from the 691 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: literal to the metaphorical, right because so yeah, yeah, this 692 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: is why when when Colvin I first read the lyrics, 693 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: we were like, some folks say the bears go around 694 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: any babies wrong, and we thought about fond predation ungulus. Man, 695 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: there's there's uh, there's scientific studies in Newfoundland of these 696 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: big bears in Newfoundland going to calving areas before the 697 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: caribou even get there, waiting on them to come and 698 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 1: have casts. We did a story. There's one number two. 699 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: We did a story in Bear Honey magazine three or 700 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: four years ago about one of the most recent grizzly 701 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,959 Speaker 1: bear research projects that had taken place in Alaska, where 702 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: they didn't just put tracking collars on grizzlies, but they 703 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: actually put video collars on grizzlies that took five second clips, 704 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: like every minute or something of their life. Well, I 705 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: mean for the life of that battery and seventeen grizzly bears. 706 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: And if I hadn't read it myself on the pages 707 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: of Bear Hunting magazine and I knew that the author 708 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: had got it directly from the research project, seventeen grizzly 709 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: bears killed over two hundred moose fawns. That was incredible 710 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: spring one spring that was seventeen colored. Yes, yeah, I 711 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: mean of the ones that they had collared, and they 712 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: had collared like thirty bears, but like Coller's malfunctioned and 713 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: different things happened. So they were saying, you know, our 714 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: research was basically on seventeen animals, and they documented over 715 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: two hundred fawn kills with those seventeen. So I mean 716 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 1: that's like the math escapes me, but I mean that's 717 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: like fifty Uh, well it would be in the in 718 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: the in the tens at least like twelve el funds 719 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: per bear per spring, something like that. That was recorded 720 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: by the Alaska game fish Bizarre. Okay, now we're jumping 721 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: back to the what we think this song is talking about. 722 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: Lyle Lovett said, this song was talking about human nature, 723 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: all right, And so this song is building. It's building 724 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: a it's building a scene of bears like have been 725 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: like misunderstood, and what he's really talking about maybe it's 726 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 1: about misunderstood humans misunderstood. So some say bears go around 727 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: even but you know, like the worst possible scenario. Some 728 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: say that guy is the worst. What what do you? 729 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: What do you? Because because the song just builds, it builds. 730 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: Some folks say that bears go around eating babies raw, 731 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: but then it brings it back to something like close 732 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: to home. Some folks got a bear across the hall. 733 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,439 Speaker 1: You know you also a bear taxidermy. Okay, we're going 734 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: back from literal metaphorical literal metaphorical metaphorical literal. You also 735 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: got to remember too that he had to find a 736 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: word that rhymed if he wanted to complete the Senate 737 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: stands up, because you know English songs. The majority of 738 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: them they r they got a ram a little bit. 739 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: So some folks gotta uh a bear across the hall 740 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: rhymes with some folks say that bears go around eating 741 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: babies row. He could have said, you know anything, some 742 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,879 Speaker 1: folks say that bears like to play kickball, and could 743 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,879 Speaker 1: have said that. But but listen. But what he does 744 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: through this whole song, though, that's consistent, is he says 745 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: something really eccentric and wild and negative and then comes 746 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: back and brings it home to almost like normalize it. 747 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: Because the second the second stands there says, some folks 748 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: say that bears go around smelling bad. Others say that 749 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: a bear's honey sweet. I think that's what key is 750 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: that are? That's right? So he does that the whole time, 751 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: and then he says, some folks say that this bear 752 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: is the best I've ever had. Some folks have a 753 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: bear beneath their feet. Some So it's like it goes 754 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: from it goes from one thing to the next. Who's 755 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: calling Bear honey magazine on a Saturday? Man, people people 756 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: are wanting to subscribe. Yeah, it's probably I love it 757 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: calling Bear honey magazine. He feels a disturbance in the 758 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: force or something. Oh man, Yeah, just leave a message, buddy, 759 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: we'll call you back. Get you that three year renewal. 760 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: B h M, b h M forty five to get 761 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,959 Speaker 1: a three year renewal from forty five dollars would do that? Okay. 762 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,239 Speaker 1: Third stands some folks dry I have the bears out 763 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: of the wilderness. Thinking about a lot of things here. 764 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: This from Bolts had a basic understanding of bears. I mean, 765 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: if you were just asking me, like where the bears live, 766 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: I would say, bears want to live in unfragmented wilderness, 767 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: not fragmented by roads, not fragmented by by human manmade things. Um, 768 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: and Bear Hunting Magazine wasn't around back then. Where did 769 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: he get his information? Wow? Who knows, Texas guy? No kidding, 770 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Great point. Well, um, so some folks drive 771 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: bears out of the wilderness. You know, I had the 772 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: thought of Pennsylvania they do bear drives. There's an article 773 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: in the September October issue of bear Any Magazine. It's 774 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: called to Rouse the Bear, that's the name of the article, 775 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: and it's about how they do drives Brandon, Pennsylvania. They 776 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 1: can't run how ms are bait and they've got this rugged, 777 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: rugged terrain and they'll get they have a group. I mean, 778 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: this is like super common in Pennsylvania, is that they'll 779 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,879 Speaker 1: line up guys on top of the mountain and have 780 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: standards and make a drive, make a bear dry. It 781 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: was like they used to do with deer and pheasant 782 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: tigers in India. Beaters. Yeah, so this. You know, some 783 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,360 Speaker 1: folks drive the bears out of the world. They do 784 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: that in Pennsylvania. Sure we do some to see a bear, 785 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: would pay a fee. I did that three weeks ago. 786 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: How's that Springfield, Missouri at the the Big Bass Pro Shop. 787 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: Oh you went to Wonders of Wildlfe. How was it? 788 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: Is it like world class? It is. They have some 789 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: world class mounts in their big huge bears aquariums, live 790 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: penguins above a lot of Native American stuff. Awesome it is. 791 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: Would you I would recommend into you know you first 792 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: you get you look, you look it up online and think, wow, 793 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: that's expensive. When I got it was probably three hours. 794 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: We probably spent three hours three and a half hours 795 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: in there. If my feet hadn't been killing me, I 796 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: would have turned right around and paid it again to 797 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: go back through it. Yeah, it was awesome. We took 798 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: my little girl who's should be seven end of this 799 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: month into August and absolutely enjoyed every bit of it. 800 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,320 Speaker 1: That's uh, I mean it's like a world class museum. 801 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: What did you describe it? Absolutely? Yeah, it's awesome, man, 802 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean really, I was natural American History where they 803 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: how do they categorize when the wildlife? I don't remember 804 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: if there was any other The best description, The best 805 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: description is the Wonders of Wildlife because when you walk 806 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: in there, menu, it is your bug eyed at the 807 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: displays at the at the So yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 808 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,320 Speaker 1: there's lots of good stuff in there. Right on. Okay, 809 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 1: the song. The song takes a turn here, so it 810 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: says some to see a bear would pay a fee. 811 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,359 Speaker 1: And then he says me, I just bear up my 812 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: bewildered best and some folks even see the bear in me. 813 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now it gets the yeah, little self reflection. 814 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 1: So he's jumping from all this talco bear to the 815 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: bear in him. Everybody's got a little bear in him. 816 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: I think he's talking about like the worst of himself 817 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: could have been. So my question is why do bears 818 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: have to be the descriptor of what's worse inside of somebody. 819 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,279 Speaker 1: Normally it's a snake or a wolf. Why would it 820 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: be a bear? So maybe it means something totally deaf 821 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 1: wolves in Texas. I hadn't seen it any well, okay, 822 00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: I got it laid on me. A bear does us 823 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: have kind of a a what's what's the word that 824 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: would describe oxymoronic? Because like like people would view a 825 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: bears like this cuddly thing. Like someone that didn't know 826 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: a bears a wild animal with view of bears like 827 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: this cuddly thing. But someone that really knows bears knows 828 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: that they're a voracious predator. That would one species of them, 829 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, Grizzly is the name, the descriptive name of them. Yeah, 830 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: so well, but that's why he had to use bears 831 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: for this, not wolves or snakes, because there's nothing cuddly 832 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,280 Speaker 1: about a wolf or a snake, but there is something 833 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: culturally cuddly about bears. Bear. Yeah, that's why he had 834 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,240 Speaker 1: to do it. Brent. Maybe it was just the stuff 835 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: that you can hide like they're secluded, you don't see them. 836 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,320 Speaker 1: So maybe he's talking about the stuff these deep internal 837 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: things that you just don't see and everyone once while 838 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,760 Speaker 1: somebody pegs you me, I just fare up my bewildered best, 839 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:11,280 Speaker 1: and some folks even see the bear in me. Mm hmm. Okay, 840 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: now here's where the song turns from kind of like 841 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: building a case. And then he kind of he kind 842 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: of reveals his hand right here when he says, and 843 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: some folks even see the bear in me. Like when 844 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: you're listening to the song and you hear that, you're like, oh, 845 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're kind of like thinking, is this 846 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: a hunting song? Is this what's this all about? And 847 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 1: then that this is the turning point of the song. Okay, 848 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: is there a phrase that we would that describes the 849 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: turning point, like in a play, like there's all these 850 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: different stages of the play, you know that, Like I'm 851 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: getting radio silence? Are you? Are you fishing for an answer? 852 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: Yes you are. Well let's just call it. Let's just 853 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: call it the turning point. Okay, Okay, did you not 854 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: say that while ago, I don't know, I did. I 855 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: think I originally as said this is the turning point 856 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: of the song. I expected you guys to have a 857 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: real answer for him. Bestcript climatic shift that's what I needed. 858 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 1: That's what I needed. I don't climatic shift happens here 859 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: because we go. Some folks even see the bear and me, 860 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,120 Speaker 1: oh wow. And he says, so me to bear and 861 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: take him out to lunch with you. Even though your 862 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: friends may stop and stare, just remember that there's a 863 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,720 Speaker 1: bear in the bunch with you. And they just don't 864 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: come no better than a bear. So now that's a 865 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,960 Speaker 1: good thing. Now there's a bunch of us. There's three 866 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: of us here. One of us is the bear, which 867 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 1: one of us is the bear. Bears. Now, I think 868 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 1: I think he he's what he's saying here is that 869 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: like take a bear out to lunch. Like like he's saying, 870 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: befriend people that are unfriendly. I think that's what he's saying. 871 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 1: What do you think could be? Could be? I think 872 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: he's saying, there's there's people that society doesn't give a 873 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,240 Speaker 1: chance because they're growley, they have teeth, and their their 874 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: their world has shaped them in such a way that 875 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: they are unapproachable, like a bear. And he's saying, so, 876 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: meet a bear and take him out to lunch with you. 877 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, really, you want me to take a bear. 878 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 1: That's the cool thing about music and the vague way 879 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: in which songs are structured, because it leaves it up. 880 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: A good song, to me, could be interpreted three different 881 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: ways about three different people. But I mean, I like 882 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: where you're going with that, and I don't I don't 883 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: disagree with it at all, even though your friends may 884 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,879 Speaker 1: stop and stare. So if there's somebody that's ostracized from 885 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: society for whatever reason, it could be a little group 886 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: of people or you know, And he's saying, even though 887 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,279 Speaker 1: your friends may say, why are you doing this for 888 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 1: this guy, he says, just remember there's a bear are 889 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: They're in the bunch with you, and they just don't 890 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: come no better than the bear. I put a little 891 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,799 Speaker 1: note here that I think what he's saying is that 892 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: sometimes people that are ostracized from society, they build like 893 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,440 Speaker 1: a callous, a coping mechanism, a way to deal with 894 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: society that appears to be gruff and mean and wild 895 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: and rough, but actually deep inside that person there is 896 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: some good qualities. And I think what our buddy, uh 897 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: Stephen found was that your a friend a bear, and 898 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 1: you actually see the good inside of people. I worked 899 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 1: with a fella in the woods a million years ago. 900 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: Who was a he's passed away now, but he was 901 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: a War two veteran and saw some terrible combat and 902 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: to the world he had there was a handful of 903 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 1: people that he would talk to, and a few of 904 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: them that he would talk to without, you know, being gruff. 905 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: And I just happened to be one of them. I 906 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: was just a kid, young kid, working with him, and 907 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 1: he uh, you know, you don't that guy was in 908 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: my mind. I think he was fighting World War two 909 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: every day, you know, I'm thinking about it, and it 910 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: caused him to have that gruff exterior where everything made 911 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: him mad and every thing aggravated him. Everybody aggravated him. 912 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: But we would be alone, driving to a job or 913 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,080 Speaker 1: coming back from a job, or eating lunch on the 914 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: side of the road in the middle of the woods 915 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: or whatever we were marking timber managing timber so and 916 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: he would he would come up with a story about 917 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: something that happened to him in the service or in 918 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: his childhood, about going fishing with his grandpa or doing 919 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: this with his son, or and it would just be 920 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: the most poignant story. And you know, I can remember 921 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: all of them verbatim. All the ones he told me. 922 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: And so he was a bear, no doubt people called him. 923 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: He said, Man, that guy Mr so, and so he's 924 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,000 Speaker 1: a bear. He's a grizzly bear. And that that that 925 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 1: what you just said there ain't true with that. That 926 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,479 Speaker 1: made me think about him because if if there ever 927 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: was somebody that had a bear inside of him, it 928 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: was it was him. But he was I loved him. Man. 929 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,439 Speaker 1: He was a good dude, and he's seen a lot 930 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: of things, and yeah he did. He sacrificed a lot 931 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: for all of us. Man, I thought you were going 932 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: to dive right into one of the stories. Well he 933 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: uh he um. He told me a story about we 934 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: left up. We left our office every day and I 935 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: would drive and he'd always tell me where to drive. 936 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 1: And I remember in the hot summertime, we got in 937 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: the truck and we took off and it was man, 938 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: it was hot like it is now. We went out 939 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: and we marked timber all day and we checked one 940 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 1: of the loggers make sure they were in the right spotting, 941 01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, cutting their trees the way that the timber 942 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 1: company wanted them to cut them. And we get ready 943 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: to go back home, and this was everything. We work. Now. 944 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: The quickest way to get back, because our truck didn't 945 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: have air conditioners. The quickest, yeah, exactly. The quickest way 946 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: to get back to where we parked our personal vehicles 947 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,919 Speaker 1: when we and we could go home for the day 948 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: was the way that we came that we went to 949 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: that that job. Well, we got back in the truck 950 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: and we got to get ready to make that turn, 951 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: that left turn back on the big highway to go 952 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: straight back to the office. He says, turn right. I'm like, oh, man, 953 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: he said, turned to the right, and we're gonna go 954 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,320 Speaker 1: up here about four or five miles and we're gonna 955 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: take so and so right and go back. That is 956 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,920 Speaker 1: gonna take us thirty minutes more to get back home. 957 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I said, I am hot and tired. And he said, 958 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: I never will forget it. Man. He took a pack 959 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: of cigarettes out of his pocket. He pulled one out 960 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,160 Speaker 1: and he lit it up. He took a puffy, blew 961 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: it out the wind, and he looked over towards me. 962 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 1: He said, son, have you ever been ambushed? And I 963 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: said no, sir, He said, well I have, and we 964 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,480 Speaker 1: ain't going back the same way we came out here, 965 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: and every day and he had been doing that. I've 966 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: been working with the way we came out here, I've 967 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: been working with that guy for two years. And it 968 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: happened every day. And finally I got the gumption to 969 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: ask me, ask him about it. But that was the deal, 970 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: and it happened. It happened to him and fighting in 971 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the in the Pacific. Do you think he was just 972 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,960 Speaker 1: looking for a little extras smoke break. No, No, he wasn't. 973 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: It was a habit he got into. Because I we 974 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,040 Speaker 1: talked about it further. I said, are you kidding me? 975 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 1: He said, it's just a habit, he said, and so 976 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: far it's been good. And we never as long as 977 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: I worked with him, we never got ambush o man, okay. 978 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,480 Speaker 1: So that that was the bear and that was the 979 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,320 Speaker 1: method for they just don't come no better than a bear. 980 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. He was looking at 981 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: for me too, ambushed. That's good. Well, hey, the song 982 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,800 Speaker 1: is pretty much over at this point because it repeats 983 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: that chorus again. He said, so me to bear take 984 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: him out? So he so the writer from Holtz. That 985 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: was his point because it's the only the only chorus 986 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,680 Speaker 1: that's said twice, you know. So because he repeats it again. 987 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 1: When you meet a bear, take him out to lunch 988 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,200 Speaker 1: of you. Even though your friends may stop and stare, 989 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,000 Speaker 1: just remember there's a bear there in the bunch with you, 990 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,040 Speaker 1: and they just don't come no better than a bear. 991 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: I agree that one that would ring true with me. 992 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: There about that guy Stephen from Holtz, Well, wow, so 993 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 1: we've added some of our literal bear interpretation to this 994 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: song that I think would have gone back into the 995 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 1: architecture of where that he formed some of these ideas 996 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: for real, Like some folks say there ain't no bears 997 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 1: in Arkansas. Like if there had been bears here the 998 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,920 Speaker 1: whole time, he wouldn't have written that because they in Texas, 999 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have known that there. Maybe there are bears. 1000 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Maybe they're see what I'm saying. I mean, like literally, 1001 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,280 Speaker 1: he wrote this song from a framework of stuff that 1002 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 1: we know and deal with. Some folks never seen a 1003 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: bear at all. So some folks you know, interesting stuff. Well, hey, 1004 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,800 Speaker 1: where do we go from here? I don't know. We did. 1005 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: We accomplished our goal. It's a good song. It's a 1006 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: good song. So we're gonna play that song again. Kolbe 1007 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 1: closing comments thoughts, I think it's time to go this lunch. 1008 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: I got to take a bear to lunch with you. 1009 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,240 Speaker 1: I was like that hungry, time to take a bear 1010 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: to let Stephen Cob was our color phase bears. Yeah yeah, Ginger, Well, hey, 1011 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,440 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta thank Rebecca Spring for finding this 1012 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: song for us. Yeah, so cool. I dropped the ball. 1013 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: I dropped the ball on that never heard it, never 1014 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: heard it, But well it will be continuous on the plate. 1015 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Here's what we can learn. The conservation point inside of 1016 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: this story is is that we can't ever let it 1017 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,880 Speaker 1: get to the place where people have these questions about 1018 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: Arkansas or anywhere for that matter. So we gotta we 1019 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: gotta keep the wild places wild because that's where the 1020 01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: bears live. Some folks say there ain't no bears in art, 1021 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: so some folks never seen a bear. Some folks say 1022 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,840 Speaker 1: the bears go around in day this role. Some folks 1023 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: got a bear across the ball. Some folks say the 1024 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: bears go around smelling bear. Others say that a bear 1025 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: is a funny. Some folks say this bear is the 1026 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: best I ever had. And some folks gotta bear. Some 1027 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:57,280 Speaker 1: folks got the bears out of the will this son 1028 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: to see bear, Yeah, I just bear up to my 1029 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:31,440 Speaker 1: views littlest. Some folks you can see the beary. Some 1030 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: folks drip bears out of willness sound to see the pay. Yeah, 1031 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: I just bear up to my bill little best. Some 1032 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: folks even seen bearing me. You show me to bear 1033 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: and take him on out to lunch with you, even 1034 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: though your friends may stop and stare. Just remember that 1035 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: to pair there in the bunch with you and I 1036 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,720 Speaker 1: just don't come no better than bed. I don't need 1037 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,840 Speaker 1: a bear. Take you more after lunch with you, even 1038 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: though your friends may stopping. Still driller letter pay there 1039 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: and the punch with can't be spoke on no better 1040 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:33,479 Speaker 1: than a bear. They just don't no better than bed. 1041 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Don't just don't be never. They just stoke bele the 1042 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,000 Speaker 1: just stoke down. Don't fe