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Speaker 3: New York Governor Kathi HOCl announced New York will become

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Speaker 3: the first set to impose a data center mor a

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Speaker 3: ttorium yesterday. Let's take a listen here to Governor vocals

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Speaker 3: press conference.

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Speaker 4: Hice hyperscale AI data centers consume enormous amounts of power,

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Speaker 4: truly threatening to outpace our grid's capacity, and they drive

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Speaker 4: a cost for local rate bears, and I refuse use

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Speaker 4: to let those costs be passed on to New Yorkers

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Speaker 4: who already paid too much for the utility bills. These

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Speaker 4: data centers require millions of gallons of water, straining the

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Speaker 4: local supplies, and when powered by fossil fuels, they drive

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Speaker 4: up our carbon footprint. They occupy massive amounts of land,

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Speaker 4: potentially displacing agricultural space and open spaces. The bottom line

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Speaker 4: is products shouldn't arrive with a higher utility bill, deleted

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Speaker 4: water supply, or noise pollution. So we have no choice

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Speaker 4: but to address these challenges created by these massive facilities.

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Speaker 4: That is why they all be signing the nation's first

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Speaker 4: ever statewide moratorium on hyper scale data centers.

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Speaker 5: There you have it.

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Speaker 3: The political sprint to out anti data center other called

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Speaker 3: titians is a foot I think that's fairly obvious. But

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Speaker 3: Kathy Hoko obviously is a Democrat. And let's look at

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Speaker 3: John Fetterman, Democratic senator from neighboring Pennsylvania, who responded to

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Speaker 3: a headline about Hope's decision with China wins taking the

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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley talking point just at face value, not entirely

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Speaker 3: surprising from Fetterment, of course, But why is this happening?

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Speaker 3: Obviously here on the show, we've been covering the data

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Speaker 3: center politics and substance for a while. But I want

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Speaker 3: to now put up this other headline. This is the

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Speaker 3: next element. A majority of Americans now support seizing wealth

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Speaker 3: from the AI industry. So polling, this is a seventeen

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Speaker 3: hundred adult poll, sixty nine percent of US employees support

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Speaker 3: forcing AI companies to transfer fifty percent of their stock

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Speaker 3: into a public wealth fund. That is the Bernie Sanders idea.

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Speaker 3: This was a poll done by Beera site, a national

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Speaker 3: pull done by Beer Site, So obviously the politics of

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Speaker 3: the are pretty clear. I don't know if John Fetterman

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Speaker 3: there's too much Ryan about the people of Pennsylvania think

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Speaker 3: on the Data Center moratory in question. But Kathy Hochel, who,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, I'm not fully sure what her ideological

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Speaker 3: the signs from the public at this point.

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Speaker 6: We talked a couple of weeks ago about that really

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Speaker 6: fascinating rant that Alex carp the Palteer CEO, had had

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Speaker 6: on CNBC. We're tucked into the middle of it. He said,

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Speaker 6: what you guys don't understand by hyping up the potential

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Speaker 6: of AI to have this revolutionary, disruptive capacity and to

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Speaker 6: basically eliminate labor, which is which is the goal of

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Speaker 6: you know, which is effectively the goal of this industry.

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Speaker 6: What you guys are doing is you are creating in

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Speaker 6: the public the appetite to rewrite the entire social contract.

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Speaker 6: And what he said, in particular is that you're going

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Speaker 6: to give us a wealth text. You're going to going

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Speaker 6: to get a slam with on. The Washington Post had

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Speaker 6: warning that the quote unquote, the left, you know, sees

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Speaker 6: an opportunity to push forward with a with a wealth tax,

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Speaker 6: and that is he is.

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Speaker 7: They are correct, and Alex carp is correct.

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Speaker 6: It's not just a wealth tax to your point, it's

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Speaker 6: this it's this Sanders idea, which to me.

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Speaker 7: Is a little bit half baked.

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Speaker 6: I'm all for it, like I'm all for the discussion

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Speaker 7: But you start to then think, well, why why stop there?

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Speaker 6: You know, Trump was like, Hey, if the US is

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Speaker 6: Say okay, yeah, Trump, Trump makes a good point. And

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Speaker 6: what's interesting about the and I'm curious for you know,

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Speaker 7: On this entire idea of a sovereign wealth fund.

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Speaker 6: But so yeah, like I'll stop there before I ramble on,

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Speaker 6: you know, these pieces of other companies and AI companies

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Speaker 3: You know, I see sovereign wealth funds as basically elite

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Speaker 3: is envisioning, obviously. I just think it's so easy for

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Speaker 3: them to become that, especially in this environment where American

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Speaker 3: just have a system where our politics have been so

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Speaker 3: easily corrupted by some of the same people that would

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Speaker 3: find ways to benefit from a sovereign wealth fund. I

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Speaker 3: don't particularly like the idea just because I feel like

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Speaker 3: I know what it would become very quickly. But at

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Speaker 3: the same time, I mean, I'm eager, to your point,

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Speaker 3: that would work.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just have a hard time seeing it working in

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Speaker 3: a way that would not just have these same olig

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Speaker 3: But something needs to be done, because that's where you

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Speaker 3: have someone who's been seen as sort of moderate centrist

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Speaker 3: like Kathy Hochel obviously closing up to New York City

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Speaker 3: and I think she's picking up all that. And Republicans

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Speaker 3: they're sounding like John Fetterman, which is, we have to

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Speaker 3: do this to defeat China and going full inst wonderful

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Leary and making that argument. Otherwise they just don't

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Speaker 3: really want to talk about it. The problem for Republicans

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Speaker 3: the Fetterman's of the world and the ox Carts of

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Speaker 3: like day two of his presidency, and as the experiment

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Speaker 3: it is not good for us. And so the opinion

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Speaker 3: is either Fetterman style carp style, we know what's best

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Speaker 3: for you, you are reacting poorly to something that's actually

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Speaker 3: to your benefit, but we know we know the truth,

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Speaker 3: or to do what Hopal did.

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Speaker 6: And to me, a Somern wealth fund is a bit

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Speaker 6: of an accounting and a bureaucratic gimmick. But if if

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Speaker 6: you need that gimmick to get the public excited about it,

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Speaker 6: then then okay, I get it. Let's take well, you

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Speaker 6: know we've got Norway cut our Uaea, staud Arabia Alaska.

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Speaker 6: If you need that gimmick to tell Alaskans, hey, look,

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Speaker 6: our oil resources are going to go into this wealth

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Speaker 6: fund and then the wealth is going to be used

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Speaker 6: precisely for this. And in Alaska it's like basically rebates

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Speaker 6: that goes out to people, and and that direct observable

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Speaker 6: connection between one, two, and three produces public trust that

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Speaker 7: So that's a good point. So I get it, Like,

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Speaker 7: that's that's worth it.

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Speaker 6: But what a sovereign wealth fund basically is is is

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Speaker 6: the government like it is it is taxation, and then

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Speaker 6: you're you're taxing the money and then you're you're investing

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Speaker 6: it and spending it like that's it's the same thing.

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Speaker 6: But people don't really kind of trust the government to

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Speaker 6: do that, you know, they think.

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Speaker 3: Because you'd be investing it and spending it in places

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Speaker 3: where you know, for Trump, I mean that's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of what He's already sort of operating a

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Speaker 3: sovereign wealth at some point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think people believe that a sovereign wealth

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Speaker 6: so if that, if we need that layer of separation

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Speaker 6: as as Western economies are growing at about one percent

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Speaker 7: Percent a year.

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Speaker 6: Like the wealth that they are accumulating has to come

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's a good way to look at it,

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Speaker 3: or it's i mean, not a good way to look

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Speaker 3: at it, but it's appliesible, get it. But that's the thing,

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Speaker 3: Like to me, it's not even just the wealth that's

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Speaker 3: to come from something that seems so ridiculous, right, like,

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Speaker 3: the markets actually sooner rather than later and tragically probably

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Speaker 3: in some cases. We want to know why the wealth

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Speaker 3: has to be generated all based on these data centers

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Speaker 3: and the transmission of so much people want to unplug.

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Speaker 3: If you look at pulling, they want to unplug, not completely,

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Speaker 3: but more and more. And so it just feels like

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Speaker 3: it's not a fair system to people to end up

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Speaker 3: having their bills in localities spike for something they're not

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Speaker 6: And meanwhile, this is coming while the New York grid

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Speaker 6: has been massively disinvested from and put a D four.

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Speaker 6: Mom Donnie keeps warning people, hey, guys, thermostats at seventy

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Speaker 6: eight polase, which continues to produce kind of a freak

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Speaker 6: you tell me? It's guys, it's not an order. It's

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Speaker 6: just we're all in this together, and if the grid

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Speaker 7: So let's all do the.

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Speaker 6: Best we can do unplug what we don't need to

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Speaker 7: Well, people are like socialism doesn't work.

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Speaker 6: As if like mom Donnie should have like rebuilt the

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Speaker 7: Now, that would have been impressed.

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Speaker 6: Cub yeap while he was shoveling this now all right, Well, Emily,

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Speaker 6: thank you so much and happy travels.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Ryan, and thanks to everybody for helping out. Well,

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Speaker 7: Appreciate it. You got it.

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Speaker 8: Give you another example where you say it's okay to

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Speaker 9: Well, but I'm not saying that the United States should

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that we shouldn't be restricting Israel from.

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Speaker 8: Well, I stopped there. Everything else you're saying it makes

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Speaker 8: Number seventh, Did Palestinians have a right to attack Israeli

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Speaker 10: Yes? Or no?

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Speaker 8: Congressmen, do they have a right to attack Israeli soldiers?

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Speaker 8: But the Palestinians don't have a right to attack the

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Speaker 8: I've always been for legal resistance, and you're saying that

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Speaker 9: Positions, because I think that the armed resistance is only

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Speaker 5: They've given the power to frenchials.

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Speaker 9: Is similar to what Gandhi thought in terms of how

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Speaker 8: Twenty piece nineteen, the Palestinians organized the Great March of Return,

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Speaker 8: People around the world have a right to resistance by

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Speaker 10: I think I've always.

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Speaker 8: Been resistance, you know how peaceful resistancing the Israelis.

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Speaker 5: Against under segregation.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't have said that go killed people who were

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Speaker 8: I mean, are you much more slave rebellions were justified

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Speaker 8: But you're a member of the United States Congress who

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Speaker 6: Highly recommend actually watching the entire back and forth, which

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Speaker 6: So I thought that was a very helpful conversation. And

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Speaker 12: I consider both of those things to be.

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Speaker 11: Would you consider taking a trip like the one that

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Speaker 11: You think there needs to be action taken after they

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Speaker 11: detained them, especially the idea of playing a role in

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Speaker 11: taking the side of the satellites. You think there should

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Speaker 11: be sanctions anything like that.

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Speaker 12: I think there should be sanctions, and then beyond you know,

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Speaker 12: of course what happened to Congressman Khana is unacceptable, and

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Speaker 12: also we need answers on the murders of many US

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Speaker 12: citizens the hands of settlers in the Israeli government. You know,

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Speaker 12: we still do not have accountability on US journalists and

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Speaker 12: other people, and so I think absolutely absolutely we need to.

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Speaker 12: We needed to have been instituting these sanctions in a

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Speaker 12: much harsher way for a very long time.

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Speaker 6: So there was a very interesting moment there in that

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Speaker 6: exchange where Julian asks if she'd be willing to take

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Speaker 6: a similar Palestinian led trip to the West Bank, like

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Speaker 6: similar to the one that Brokanna just took. She brought

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Speaker 6: up how the Israelis had blocked Rashida Talib and Nilhanomar

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Speaker 6: from traveling there. I believe it was in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 6: and at the time she had said, as long as

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Speaker 6: they were blocked from going that in solidarity, she would

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Speaker 6: also refuse to go. But she's now saying, as you

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Speaker 6: saw there, that she would be willing to go on

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Speaker 6: a Palsingian led trip to the West Bank, which I

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Speaker 6: expect now that she has made that bludge, we're going

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Speaker 6: to see that and as more members of Congress take

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Speaker 6: that trip and see for themselves kind of what the

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Speaker 6: apartheid light conditions are on the ground, I think you're

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Speaker 6: going to continue to see the American policy among Democrats,

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Speaker 6: you know, slide further and further in a more skeptical

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Speaker 6: and hostile direction when it comes to supporting Israel. And

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Speaker 6: I think one test of that is going to be

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Speaker 6: today in the House of Representatives. Thomas Massey, who's who

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Speaker 6: was ousted by Apak in a primary, is still you know,

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Speaker 6: is still serving out the rest of his term and

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Speaker 6: has put forward an amendment which would it is a

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Speaker 6: very blunt amendment that will get a vote on the

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Speaker 6: House floor, which would block all aid to Israel military

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Speaker 6: and otherwise. And so yesterday you had Hakeem Jefferys, a

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Speaker 6: Democratic leader, come out and say that he opposes it

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Speaker 6: because he said it's too blunt and it would affect

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Speaker 6: you know, transfers, you know, to you know, humanitarian aid

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Speaker 6: to Palestinians and such like. And either way, it's it's

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Speaker 6: not going through the Senate, so it's really just a

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Speaker 6: kind of symbolic vote to see where members of Congress are.

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Speaker 6: But importantly, Jeffrey said that he was voting against it,

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Speaker 6: but he understood if other Democrats.

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Speaker 7: Voted for it.

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Speaker 6: That's what they call a vote of conscience on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 6: where you're not required to vote party line, I mean,

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Speaker 6: obviously not required. You report only to your constituents. But

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Speaker 6: if you break with the party on a vote where

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Speaker 6: they're whipping, it's going to then come with consequences from

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Speaker 6: the party leadership. And what Jeffreys is saying here is

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Speaker 6: that there would be no consequences for members who either

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Speaker 6: vote present, vote or vote yes, although he said he

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Speaker 6: personally is going to be voting no. J Street, the

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Speaker 6: Liberal Zionist Organization, put out a statement saying the same thing,

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Speaker 6: that they oppose the amendment, but they also understand that

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Speaker 6: this is an unusual opportunity for members of Congress to

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Speaker 6: go on record against military aid to Israel, and so

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Speaker 6: they will they will support members who vote yes on it,

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Speaker 6: and that that support ends up being helpful in uh

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Speaker 6: in you know, can be helpful in in primary campaigns.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: At the same time, if if a if a Democratic

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Speaker 6: member of Congress votes know on this or votes present,

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Speaker 6: what they're doing is they're they're putting themselves on a

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Speaker 6: list of people who are going to be researched, to

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Speaker 6: be primaried by populist progressive organizations like Justice Democrats, DSA

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Speaker 6: and others who are trying to figure out who are

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Speaker 6: the ones who are with us, who are the ones

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Speaker 6: are against us, who are the ones that are that

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Speaker 6: are vulnerable? And so I think it, you know, there's

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Speaker 6: some there's some reporting that you could see a huge

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Speaker 6: number of Democrats kind of swing and end up supporting

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Speaker 6: this this massive amendment.

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Speaker 7: Meanwhile, we can put.

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Speaker 6: Up e three the the the nda A, which includes

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Speaker 6: the provision which would fuse elements of the Israeli and

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Speaker 6: American militaries, was blocked in the United States Senate by Democrats.

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Speaker 6: Now it was, you know, some Democrats in the Senate

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Speaker 6: spoke out about the provision that merged the Israelian American

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Speaker 6: militaries overall. What they were objecting to here was the

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Speaker 6: restarting of the Iran war, which by the way, is

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Speaker 6: completely illegal, Like the Congress has passed a war Powers

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Speaker 6: resolution that says the President cannot engage in war with Iran.

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Speaker 6: He's just doing it illegally anyway. And so we'll be

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Speaker 6: tracking the debate on the and the vote on the

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Speaker 6: House floor, and I'm sure Crystalin Sager will be covering

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Speaker 6: that yesterday tomorrow when they're here.

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Speaker 7: Up next, we've.

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Speaker 6: Got congressional candidate Donovan McKinney running in Detroit. So in

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, a man named Shri Thanadar, who had made

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Speaker 6: his fortune in some quite curious ways, which we'll talk

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Speaker 6: about in a moment, met with a group of Republican

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Speaker 6: consultants telling them that he wanted to run for governor.

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Speaker 6: And he had a very unusual question for them, what

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Speaker 6: party should I run in? The consultants and we wrote

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Speaker 6: about this at the intercept back of the time.

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Speaker 7: The consultants set back.

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Speaker 6: To him, well what party are you in? And he said, well,

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Speaker 6: isn't that you guys are the consultants, like you tell me.

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Speaker 6: They're very confused, like, well, what do you believe? And

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Speaker 6: he's like, what do you mean? What do I believe?

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Speaker 6: Like you're the political consultants. You tell me what I believe,

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Speaker 6: and then I run for governor. They eventually told him, look,

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Speaker 6: we've never heard of anything like this from a political

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Speaker 6: candidate before.

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Speaker 7: I don't think this is a good fit for you

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Speaker 7: and us.

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Speaker 6: Eventually he decided that he was a Democrat and he

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Speaker 6: was going to run for governor as a Democrat. He

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Speaker 6: was leading in the polls for some time until that

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Speaker 6: story emerged. Plus a story about some legal abuse, which

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Speaker 6: we'll get into in a moment also came out. So

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two he spent his considerable fortune instead

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Speaker 6: running for Congress. He was challenged at the time by

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Speaker 6: Apak who saw this street Thanadark coming onto the scene

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Speaker 6: and they were concerned that maybe this guy is anti Israel.

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Speaker 6: We don't really know. So they spent millions of dollars

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Speaker 6: against him. He spent millions of his own money and

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Speaker 6: he won. He afterwards, he became one of apax's biggest

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Speaker 6: allies in Congress. Now he's being challenged by State Representative

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Speaker 6: Donovan McKinney, who has the backing of DSA as well

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Speaker 6: as Justice Democrats, and so State Representative McKinney, thank you

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Speaker 6: for joining us. I want to run through a bunch

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Speaker 6: of this today. This is it's one of the strangest

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Speaker 6: political journeys I think I've ever seen. That's just the

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Speaker 6: tip of the iceberg. What did I miss about Congressman

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Speaker 6: Thanadar here?

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Speaker 13: No, Eric, I just appreciate you and inviting us on

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Speaker 13: your show. I'm a big fan of breaking points. But

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Speaker 13: like what Shari, it's he's a conundrum of all sorts.

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Speaker 13: He's voted to think ice last year, he's increased the

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Speaker 13: Department of Ice budget multiple times, sitting on that committee

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Speaker 13: as as a sitting legislator, as well as he tried

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Speaker 13: to introduce legislation to abolished ice.

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Speaker 10: Just a few months later.

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Speaker 13: Because we're gaining steam in our campaign, and so he's

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Speaker 13: trying to do some things that are politically feasible. He's

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Speaker 13: taking money from you know, ice contractors to you know,

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Speaker 13: our utility companies, monopoly utility dte to a pac crypto.

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Speaker 13: Funny story about him, Eric, he's the first congressional member

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Speaker 13: in the history of Congress to invest campaign money into

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Speaker 13: crypto currency. And so you know, he's he's representing one

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Speaker 13: of the poor where's districts in the country, and we

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Speaker 13: need somebody that is going to put the people at

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Speaker 13: the district top of mind. And that's why we decided

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Speaker 13: to run and take a shot at it, so we

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Speaker 13: can bring some real representation back to Michigan's thirteenth district.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, his connection to the Beagle testing lab was one

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Speaker 6: of the you know, among all the crazy things about

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Speaker 6: the guys, one of the craziest. Let's let's I want

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Speaker 6: to play F one is this is one of the

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Speaker 6: things you've been using to to go after and do

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Speaker 6: F one.

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Speaker 10: Please, I'm Donovan McKinney, and I prove this message.

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Speaker 8: We have new information now a Shree Tanadar.

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Speaker 10: He's a Democrat playing to be Michigan's next turn.

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Speaker 5: I'm like shreada tested drugs on dogs and less.

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Speaker 10: Than to die.

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Speaker 4: Look, I love animals.

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Speaker 8: The allegations involved mistreatment of dogs and monkeys used for testing.

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Speaker 7: The dog for found abandoned without food and water.

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Speaker 4: Employees had to break into the building to save them.

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Speaker 5: Billionaire farmer executive streets Hanadaar.

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Speaker 14: That's one hundred peoples to die, Shriet Handar, one sick puppy.

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Speaker 6: So this was something that did come up in the

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen campaign. So tell us what happened with his

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Speaker 6: abandoned beagles.

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Speaker 10: So he owned a pharmaceutical company.

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Speaker 13: He sold half of it, and so it's actually he

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Speaker 13: made probably like double the money back because it actually

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Speaker 13: increased in value, like doubled in value. So he made

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Speaker 13: the money back and then something but the pharmaceutical company

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Speaker 13: tested drugs on dogs and animals, and pretty much when

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Speaker 13: he sold half of it and closed up shop at

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Speaker 13: a lot of facilities, he just left all these animals abandoned,

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Speaker 13: over one hundred beagles, some monkeys. Just terrible all around

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Speaker 13: human being for doing that. And so you know, think

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Speaker 13: about this. If he's want to abandon those dogs, just

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Speaker 13: imagine what he's doing in the Sea of Congress.

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Speaker 10: He's abandoning the people of the thirteenth District here in Michigan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was one of kind of one of

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Speaker 6: those pump and dump schemes where you kind of take

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Speaker 6: the company, you drive up the fake value of it,

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Speaker 6: you take your piece of it, and then you bankrupt

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Speaker 6: the thing. And then yeah, when he bankrupts it, just

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Speaker 6: walk away and whatever it's doing, yeah, exactly, just keeps unfolding.

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Speaker 6: I want people to get a sense of him himself.

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Speaker 6: Let's roll F two. This is when he became allies

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Speaker 6: with APAX, deeply thanking them for the help.

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Speaker 10: Hi.

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Speaker 15: This is Congressman Shri Canadar, proudly representing Detroit and the

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Speaker 15: Michigan's thirteenth District. Here. I am a whole week in

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Speaker 15: Israel learning about this little country that is surrounded by

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Speaker 15: terrorism and how it's important that United States and Israel

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Speaker 15: must have a strong relationship, but more importantly also that

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Speaker 15: I as an entrepreneur. I met many young innovators, entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 15: and I'm talking to them about collaborating with city of

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Speaker 15: Detroit and working with the rich culture of Detroit and

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Speaker 15: the innovation and entrepreneurship in Israel to make better things

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Speaker 15: for both countries and the people of my district and

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Speaker 15: the people of Israel.

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Speaker 6: My sense is that Shre was hoping that the enough

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Speaker 6: APEX support, plus his own money, plus than a divided

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Speaker 6: field of opponents would be enough for him to be

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Speaker 6: able to continue to get re elected in Detroit. How

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Speaker 6: did you your political operation and the community more broadly

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Speaker 6: avoid that trap of having, you know, if you have

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Speaker 6: three or four credible, good candidates who are all better

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Speaker 6: than the incumbent than it are, voters are like, well,

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Speaker 6: what do I do?

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Speaker 7: Like who do I pick to beat him?

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Speaker 6: But now it's pretty much a one on one race, Like,

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Speaker 6: how did you get to that place?

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Speaker 13: So we started off, so how he ended up being

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Speaker 13: congress in the first place?

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Speaker 10: He one and a nine way primate, right exactly.

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Speaker 13: And this is one of the only, if not the only,

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Speaker 13: majority black congressional district in the current country not represented

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Speaker 13: by a black person, And so you know, it was

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Speaker 13: nine black or eight black people in the race plus him.

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Speaker 13: So the vote got really split and he won with

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Speaker 13: I believe twenty eight percent of vote something like that,

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Speaker 13: with like just a couple of thousand votes, and so

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Speaker 13: a couple percentage points. And the second time around, in

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Speaker 13: the twenty four election, there was a you know, a

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Speaker 13: couple of women, Black women on the on the ballot,

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Speaker 13: but they didn't have the money and some of them

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Speaker 13: had you know a lot of baggage that he exploited

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Speaker 13: with a pac money in his own money because he's

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Speaker 13: also a self funder, he's a multi millionaire. That left

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Speaker 13: a lot of you know, bad tastes in a lot

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Speaker 13: of people's mouths. This time around, a bunch of folks

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Speaker 13: tried to do it. We had conversations initially, and people

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Speaker 13: either decided to drop out to support our candidacy or

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Speaker 13: got kicked off the ballot. Because it's crazy because the incumbent, Shari,

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Speaker 13: he's the one who challenged a lot of people's signatures and.

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Speaker 10: Got it kicked off.

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Speaker 13: So it's like a cash twenty two in a sense

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Speaker 13: because he literally dugged his own grave. And because of that,

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Speaker 13: we have a great opportunity of winning the seat, and

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Speaker 13: we're building the eric. We're building the biggest and baddest

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Speaker 13: coalition in the country. We have over one hundred and

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Speaker 13: fifty plus endorsements from congressional members on the federal, state, local, county,

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Speaker 13: and local levels, to faith leaders, to all the unions

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Speaker 13: Metro the Michigan NFL CIO. I come out the SCIU movement.

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Speaker 13: I'm a label organizer. I got uaw you name it

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Speaker 13: to all the progressive organizations on the ground, faith leaders.

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Speaker 13: We are building a big unit and a big coalition

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Speaker 13: to take him out, to take him in as much

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Speaker 13: because organized people can be organized money every time, and

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Speaker 13: that's what we're looking to do in less than three

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Speaker 13: weeks away from the election day August fourth.

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Speaker 6: Tell us a little bit about yourself. I know you

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Speaker 6: grew up poor, and was it northern Detroit? Like what

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Speaker 6: was your Detroit?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So what was your upbringing like? And like how did

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Speaker 6: you become political? Like do you remember a moment where

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Speaker 6: you realized that you're that you recognize the power of

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Speaker 6: kind of organizing and people power to do something about

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Speaker 6: the conditions facing your community.

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Speaker 7: Was that a gradual thing? Like yeah, yeah, what brought

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Speaker 7: you here?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: No, good question. And I grew up with my my mom,

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Speaker 13: my brother, and my grandmother. Removed around over thirteen times

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Speaker 13: across the city of Detroit. Spent the vast majority of

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Speaker 13: my life in Northeast Detroit, but there was times we

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Speaker 13: lived in cars, shelters, sometimes on the Street. There were

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Speaker 13: days where we didn't know where our next meal was

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Speaker 13: going to come from. But I remember with the principles

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Speaker 13: my grandm my grandmother raised me on, and one of

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Speaker 13: them is, no matter what happens in your life, there

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Speaker 13: will always be people worse off than you. There will

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Speaker 13: always be people better off than you. But to never

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Speaker 13: fight the erth to give, never fight the erth to give, Eric,

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Speaker 13: And I put that, I put her quote on my

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Speaker 13: first piece of literature when I ever ran for state House.

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Speaker 13: And I still live by that principle today and it

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Speaker 13: led me to a life of public service, to helping people,

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Speaker 13: understanding that we're no better than anyone else and vice versa.

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Speaker 13: But we all have to utilize our God given talents

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Speaker 13: and abilities to serve people. And at the end of

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Speaker 13: the day, so many folks are struggling. They need folks

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Speaker 13: to be their most authentic sales. But they need people

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Speaker 13: who are going to rise to the occasion and meet

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Speaker 13: the urgency of this moment. I got seniors on fixed income,

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Speaker 13: Eric that literally make you received nine hundred dollars a

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Speaker 13: month from Social Security every month. Literally, their their rent

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Speaker 13: is eight hundred dollars right their food assistance from the

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Speaker 13: federal government just got cut down to less than thirty

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Speaker 13: dollars a month, and they're out of pocket.

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Speaker 10: Costs to do.

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Speaker 13: Doctor visits and for prescription drugs at skyrocketing, and so

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Speaker 13: every few weeks they have to make a conscious decision

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Speaker 13: either I'm going to have food at the table, I'm

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Speaker 13: going to be able to eat, I'm going to be

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Speaker 13: able to pay my rent, or I'm going to have

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Speaker 13: to figure out ways to have some dollars for my

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Speaker 13: life saving medicine. These are the conditions of our district,

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Speaker 13: and people are going through folks who are working two

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Speaker 13: to three jobs, not even making.

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Speaker 10: Ends meet anymore. Air And so for me, this is

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Speaker 10: deeper in politics.

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Speaker 13: This is about adhering to the moment and the needs

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Speaker 13: of the people in the district, not sending money to

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Speaker 13: you know, for bombs and weapons to kill families and

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Speaker 13: children overseas, and not for any type of foreign influence

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Speaker 13: or special interest for running a grassrooms campaign, now taking

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Speaker 13: any corporate pack money, APAC money at all.

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Speaker 10: We raised over a million dollars so far. Eric.

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Speaker 13: The average donation in our campaign is thirty dollars, And

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Speaker 13: so when people are looking at this nationwide movement and

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Speaker 13: when people are looking for leaders to step up to

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Speaker 13: not only meet the moment, but to be present and

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Speaker 13: fight for them and what they're care about. That's why

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Speaker 13: we're running, and that's why a lot of people are

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Speaker 13: grabbing tours our campaign, and that's how we're going to win.

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Speaker 10: On Tuesday, August.

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Speaker 7: For you were endorsed by Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 6: Early on, you were endorsed by Justice Democrats, and last

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Speaker 6: month to kind of metro Detroit, DSA and endorsed your campaign.

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Speaker 6: And I know that when it happened, there was there

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Speaker 6: was an argument internally, They're like, well, he's not been

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Speaker 6: a long time kind of DSA member, but he he

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Speaker 6: supports everything that we believe in. So you know, the

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Speaker 6: argument carried the day to say like let's let's get

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Speaker 6: behind him. There's also been this national pushback from the

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Speaker 6: right about DSA saying that it's a bunch of white gentrifiers,

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Speaker 6: which is kind of ironic to hear Republicans complaining that

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Speaker 6: something's white. But anyway, well we'll let them have their

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Speaker 6: fun over there. But so I'm curious when it comes

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Speaker 6: to DSA. I think DSA desperately wants to have more

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Speaker 6: people who grew up poor in Northeast Detroit organizing behind

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Speaker 6: Democratic socialis And so what what's your.

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Speaker 7: Relationship been like with them, and what advice do.

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Speaker 6: You have two DSA chapters both in Detroit and also

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Speaker 6: you know around the country, about how they can be

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Speaker 6: more resonant in neighborhoods like the ones that you grew

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Speaker 6: up in and kind of push back against some of

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Speaker 6: that that criticism that they get from being kind of

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Speaker 6: white outsiders coming in to put like a fancy democratic

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Speaker 6: socialism label on their politics, on their gentrifying politics.

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Speaker 13: Now, I would say, listen, this is not about labels

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Speaker 13: in particular. This is about the issues that are impacting

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Speaker 13: the everyday life and the quality of life of our

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Speaker 13: residents and community members. And I preach about all the time,

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Speaker 13: but we have to if the Democratic Party wants to

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Speaker 13: continue to act like or at least claim that are

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Speaker 13: party of the people, then we need to act like it.

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Speaker 13: And we need to ensure that we deliver on the

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Speaker 13: resources as much as possible. How define politics is to

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Speaker 13: redistribution and resources? Eric, And so, if you're in these

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Speaker 13: powerful positions of influence and you're at the table deciding

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Speaker 13: these things, you need to bring back home resources when

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Speaker 13: people are struggling to make ends meet. And so you know,

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Speaker 13: to dsay, it's all democratic socialists talk about the issues, right,

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Speaker 13: the fact that people have to decide if they're going

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Speaker 13: to get health care on their premiums or skyrocketing more

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Speaker 13: I proming these corporations get to decide who gets health

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Speaker 13: care or not, who gets delivered or not based off

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Speaker 13: if they have a preeze it's a condition or not.

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Speaker 10: Right, we have so many We live in a wealthiest

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Speaker 10: country in the.

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Speaker 13: World, but we got so many people who are unhoused

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Speaker 13: right now, even our veterans.

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Speaker 10: Is that right? No, making sure that we have opportunities

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Speaker 10: for our kids to.

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Speaker 13: Grow up in higher education, free college, a boss ice,

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Speaker 13: stop sending money overseas for genocide like these are the

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Speaker 13: simple issues that people care about living in the world

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Speaker 13: where our kids can be able to breathe clean air

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Speaker 13: and drink clean water. That's something in my district that

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Speaker 13: is near and dear to every resident of mine. So

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Speaker 13: you know, this is not necessarily about you know, who's

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Speaker 13: more socialist than whoever. But these socialist ideas, these are

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Speaker 13: common sense ideas, Eric, and it makes sense when you

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Speaker 13: break it down to people and you talk to them

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Speaker 13: and you realize, damn, we all care about the same things.

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Speaker 13: For the most part, eighty percent of us pretty much

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Speaker 13: want the same thing. We might differ on how the

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Speaker 13: execution of it and how to get there and achieve it,

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Speaker 13: but in reality, most folks want to be able to

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Speaker 13: work one job, to not only make his meat, to

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Speaker 13: have some disposable income, maybe take your family trip once

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Speaker 13: in a while, benefits to take care of their family,

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Speaker 13: and of retiing to look forward to. That's what probably

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Speaker 13: the most. That's the American dream. But right now that

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Speaker 13: is being wasted. There's no longer that that thing that

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Speaker 13: people can capture and hold on to, and so we

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Speaker 13: got to fight, like hell fort and I'm a proud

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Speaker 13: DSA member, but also I need Dessa to stop over

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Speaker 13: talking people and really talk to the issues at heart

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Speaker 13: and what people care about day in and day out.

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Speaker 6: Also wanted to get your take on the Michigan Senate race.

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Speaker 6: You've endorsed abdual outside in that race may be decided

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Speaker 6: in Detroit, and there's there's been some controversy in the

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Speaker 6: state lately because Haley Stevens with some with support from

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Speaker 6: her outside tuber PACs has been very strongly suggesting that

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama is actually supporting her campaign, which is not

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Speaker 6: which is not true.

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Speaker 7: Wonderful running.

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Speaker 10: They're running ads like crazy.

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Speaker 13: I just right before I hopped on, I saw four

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Speaker 13: ads from I think, I think Apex Funnel Group about

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Speaker 13: how Haley is, you know, getting the support of Obama's.

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Speaker 7: Crazy Let me show.

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Speaker 6: Let me show one of those ads, because yes, I

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Speaker 6: think they're over fifty million dollars at this point, and

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Speaker 6: we're not August fourth, so we've got ways to go.

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Speaker 6: They might spend sixty seventy million dollars in one state

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Speaker 6: by the end of this. Let's let's roll f three.

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Speaker 5: My husband worked at Ford for forty one years.

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Speaker 14: My father worked for General Motors for thirty years.

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Speaker 8: And when they came for our auto.

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Speaker 7: Jobs, Ailey Stephens stood up.

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Speaker 2: She was chief of status to President Obama's Auto Rescue.

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Speaker 13: And Hailey Stephens, by the way, she was a critical

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Speaker 13: part of my team that helped.

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Speaker 10: The American auto industry come rolling ball.

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Speaker 8: That's say, two hundred thousand Michigan jobs.

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Speaker 10: She helps, say jobs for my own family.

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Speaker 5: If President Obama trust her.

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Speaker 7: So do I. The stronger Michigan is responsible for the

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Speaker 7: content of this ad, So sorry to make you watch

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Speaker 7: that again.

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Speaker 6: You've probably seen it a thousand times at this point,

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Speaker 6: so strongly suggesting that she's got the auto worker support too.

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Speaker 6: By the way, at the beginning of that UAW has

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Speaker 6: in fact endorsed abdul Alsie.

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Speaker 7: Obama has not endorsed at all.

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Speaker 10: But it.

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Speaker 6: Seems like this these as are breaking through and that

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Speaker 6: the public is starting to believe that Obama does support Stevens.

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Speaker 6: A new pole has her up seven now against El

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Speaker 6: Saiad And I think it was a Detroit News sponsored poll.

878
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 7: What on the ground, like is that accurate?

879
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 6: Like are you meeting people who are like, yeah, I'm

880
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 6: with Stevens because Obama's behind him.

881
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 13: I've met a few folks on the doors at at

882
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 13: different events who you know, have heard this propaganda and

883
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 13: have started to believe it. But I will say, Abdullah

884
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 13: has a great ground game, and I think and close

885
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 13: that gap. People kind of see through that proper game

886
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 13: and so to speak. But like we have to that listen,

887
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 13: we're going to get out spent, We're going to we're

888
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 13: going to like they're going to run more more ads.

889
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 13: They're going to try to run more attacks against Abdul

890
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 13: as well as myself because we are the progressive candidates,

891
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 13: the working family candidates, you know, u aw indoors, Bernie

892
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 13: in doors, I mean, you name it. And so we

893
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 13: have to come back that through people power. And so

894
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 13: we're making these phone calls, we're knocking on the doors,

895
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 13: We're showing up to advance where people don't normally show

896
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 13: up to And that's how you try to figure out

897
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 13: how to come back that and burst the gap and

898
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 13: bring people together to understand our message. But it's sad

899
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 13: that we got to spend so much money in our politics.

900
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 13: That's why me and a duel we both support in

901
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 13: New Citizens United getting all corporate money out of our politics.

902
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 13: I've led it at the state level here in Michigan

903
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Speaker 13: to taking back our Power legislation, which we couldn't get

904
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Speaker 13: a hearing on it in Lancing. But guess what, the

905
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 13: people on the ground and organizations on the ground decided

906
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Speaker 13: to take our legislation, create a ballot initiative collected over

907
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Speaker 13: six hundred thousand signatures, and we'll know in a few

908
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 13: weeks the state boarder campus is going to approve it

909
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 13: to put it on this year is November ballot, and Eric,

910
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 13: if it gets on this year's November ballot, I guarantee

911
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 13: it's going to pass with eighty percent of vote. You

912
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 13: want to know why, because Democrats were of independence alike

913
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 13: understand that corporate influence on our politics is just too much,

914
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 13: and we got a level the playing field to ensure

915
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 13: that the people's voices are heard.

916
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 10: It can be rained true.

917
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Speaker 6: I also wanted to get you to respond to another

918
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Speaker 6: controversy that's going on in Michigan in a different race

919
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 6: that's kind of fascinating in the way it's been been unfolding.

920
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Speaker 7: And this is Will Lawrence, who's running against kind of two.

921
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Speaker 6: Centrist candidates, has had some of his comments from a

922
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Speaker 6: podcast with Curry Peterson Smith, who describes himself kind of

923
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Speaker 6: as a black internationalist, twisted to say that he's like

924
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 6: a racist guy. I want to roll the actual comments

925
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 6: so that people can hear what he said and then

926
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Speaker 6: get your reaction to because I think it's what he's

927
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 6: actually probing at is an interesting conversations.

928
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Speaker 7: So let's let's roll F four here.

929
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Speaker 8: That is a contested space that we need to show

930
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 8: up to.

931
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Speaker 14: Me how do you feel what do you think is

932
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 14: the trajectory as a millennial black leftist. It's not something

933
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Speaker 14: I can talk too much about because I'm I'm white,

934
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 14: and it's it's not my it's not my struggle. That

935
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Speaker 14: being said, like the extent to which the older generation

936
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Speaker 14: of black political leadership are such of a pillar, frankly

937
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 14: for establishment, capitalist, imperialist American power through their role, you know,

938
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Speaker 14: as this kind of traditionalist, establishmentist pillar of the Democratic Party,

939
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Speaker 14: it's a big problem. It's a big problem for left

940
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 14: politics in this country. And uh, and and it gets

941
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Speaker 14: us every single time, and it really defangs the white left,

942
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 14: uh puts and puts us in you know, impossible positions.

943
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Speaker 14: Really it's very effective politically. And so I don't know,

944
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Speaker 14: I'm curious. But we're also seeing, you know now that

945
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Speaker 14: unfortunately I don't want anyone to vote for Trump, but

946
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Speaker 14: like young black people are are are falling away from

947
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 14: the Democratic Party and the support is not showing up

948
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Speaker 14: in the same way. We'll see what happens in November.

949
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Speaker 14: I'm curious where you think this is headed and what

950
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Speaker 14: the the younger black left needs to do in order

951
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Speaker 14: to change this dynamic.

952
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Speaker 16: Yeah, totally I meant just to start again with a

953
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 16: kind of like you know, internationalist answer of a kind

954
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Speaker 16: is this is this is a question that it's faced

955
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 16: in different places around the world, where like the centrist

956
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 16: parties and the kind of you know, and some center

957
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 16: left parties have just failed. I have failed to well

958
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 16: I shouldn't they failed.

959
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Speaker 6: I'm curious for your obviously there's a lot more nuanced

960
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 6: than I got kind of portrayed in the headlines. But

961
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Speaker 6: I'm curious when what you thought when you saw the headlines,

962
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Speaker 6: but then also where you are on kind of Will

963
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Speaker 6: Lawrence and the general ideas he's talking about there.

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Speaker 13: I've met Will and known Will for some years now,

965
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Speaker 13: and on the environmental justice side of things.

966
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Speaker 10: He comes out the Sunrise Movement. I came out of

967
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 10: s c i U.

968
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 13: S CiU was the first union to sign onto the

969
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 13: Green New Deal, and so you know our agenda lines

970
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 13: around the environmental justice. When I first saw the headlines,

971
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 13: I was I was a little taken back. I'm not

972
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 13: going to lie, but I actually listened to it and

973
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 13: I'm like, man, actually, he's not totally wrong there, right.

974
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Speaker 13: Like me, as a young black man, husband and father

975
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 13: of three young children ages four and younger. Like I

976
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 13: think about my upbringing, and I think about and I

977
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 13: give you three examples, Eric of what has happened that

978
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 13: has disappointed me and not want me to even engage

979
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 13: in the political process. But I have to because I

980
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 13: do believe that's part of changing the landscape of not

981
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 13: only the now, but the future. What happened in two

982
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 13: thousand and eight recession in housing, but what did the

983
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 13: Democratic Party do at that particular time.

984
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 10: We ended up bailing out the banks instead of.

985
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 13: The people that were going through the housing crisis, like

986
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 13: Michigan in particular, the city Detroit in my district, we

987
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 13: had the largest home ownership rate eighty two percent at

988
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 13: the time in the early two thousands, out of any

989
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 13: city in America.

990
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 10: And now we're plumbing it now.

991
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 13: We're a majority renter city right now because of the

992
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 13: policies back then, the Democratic establishment decided to bail out

993
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 13: the corporation instead of the people that needed those resources

994
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 13: the most.

995
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 10: Another thing, what happened with the George Floyd movement.

996
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 13: And the Black Lives Matter right, the George Floyd justice

997
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 13: and police and that we had two black men in

998
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 13: the US Senate trying to figure out how to hash

999
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 13: out a deal with that legislation, him Scott Republican out

1000
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 13: of South Carolina, Corey Booker, a Democrat out of New Jersey,

1001
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 13: discussing and trying to figure out how to make it happen,

1002
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 13: but to no avail. They couldn't get it done, and

1003
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 13: that locked down a lot of black people in particularly

1004
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 13: a lot of people of color in young people, millennials

1005
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 13: especially to be not necessarily be hopeful in the democratic

1006
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 13: process and into politics. Another thing that let us down

1007
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 13: and just recently happened, the voting rights sack, the overturning

1008
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 13: of the voting right sack. How the Supreme Court just

1009
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 13: got it just a few weeks ago, and in under

1010
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 13: Democratic leadership on abiden we could have got the John

1011
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 13: Lewis voting rights and an advancement that done, but just couldn't.

1012
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 13: And so where are we meeting the moment in terms

1013
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 13: of Democratic party.

1014
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 10: We're tired of the establishment. We're tired of the status quote.

1015
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 13: We're tired of people just giving us the platitudes, the

1016
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 13: talking points just to tell us what we want to hear, Eric,

1017
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 13: we want leaders and fighters that are going to adhere

1018
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 13: to their urgency and the issues at hand, and that's

1019
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 13: why people are excited about Will. That's why they're excited

1020
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 13: about a duel. That's why they're excited about us and

1021
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 13: our candidacy for Congress and Michigan's thirteenth district.

1022
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's August fourth, all those primaries, and Kyle Blonkwist

1023
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 6: over in somewhere else in Michigan.

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Speaker 13: You're not Kyle, Yeah, yeah, he's in District one, So

1025
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Speaker 13: that's northern Michigan and then the entire Upper Peninsula.

1026
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's you know, it's a kind of coalition of

1027
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 6: four candidates coming from different places but headed in the

1028
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Speaker 6: same direction in interesting ways. So Donovan McKinney, August fourth

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Speaker 6: is the primary. Thanks so much for being here. That'll

1030
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