WEBVTT - 6. Dumpster Fire 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.280 Bryce Shelby is a slender black man who is known 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.399 around Denver for attending the racial justice protests with an 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:13.760 assault rifle slung over his shoulder, which isn't illegal. Colorado 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.120 is an open carry state. Bryce would often wear black 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.960 Panther Party T shirts during demonstrations. He's agreed to meet 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.040 with me in Denver. It's a February afternoon and it's 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.000 bitterly cold. There's a fresh dusting of snow on the ground. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.519 Bryce is sitting down as I'm setting up. He's filling 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.479 with his phone and we're talking. It's closes. So is 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.400 there any questions I can answer for you? You You said 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.520 you you're kind of like hearing names kind of brings 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.879 people back, like kind of helps you to depreciate, yea, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:50.000 what's going on? Just the idea that um it was 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.000 I guess it wasn't abou die, you know that was 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.000 that said what he said to the to the officers. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:56.680 It just, you know what I mean, just hearing a 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.880 certain name. Not that I'm trying to earn any buy 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.880 or nothing like that, but you know, I'm mean, i'd 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:07.120 cross certain In one of our earlier phone conversations, as 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.960 I was arranging this interview, I had told Bryce something 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:16.040 that surprised him. Zeb Hall wasn't an FBI informant. Until 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.080 that phone conversation. Bryce had been certain zeb was the snitch. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.720 Bryce is interested in crossing off names because he's running 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.600 a process of elimination. To this day, he's never figured 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.520 out exactly why the FBI went after him. Did you 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.160 think that was maybe, you know, part of what happened 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.520 to you? Well, he was at one of those situations 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:43.280 with Mickey. But we can get into it. Yeah, we're 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.640 about to get into it. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western 0:01:46.680 --> 0:02:13.000 Sound and I Heart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Voice, Episode six, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:22.080 dumpster Fire. In the business world, aggressive investors will do 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.320 what's called a roll up. They'll enter a distressed industry 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.600 buy up as many competing companies as they can. Merge 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.160 those companies together, that is, roll them up and then 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.760 corner the market. Mickey's about to try his own version 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.480 of a roll up for the FBI. He's already got 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.760 one target, zeb Haul, who's talked in vague terms about 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.919 violence and revolution, and if Mickey can roll up zeb 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.320 with another big talking revolutionary, then he's got what the 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.320 Justice Department could present to the public as a terrorism 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.959 conspiracy case, and Mickey's got someone in mind for his 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.840 roll up with zeb Bryce Shelby. I can't ut here 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.680 what a rifle because y'all killing us anyways when we 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.560 come to protest and spraying it down and pepper gassing 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.120 it and tear bombing it and everything like that, doing 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.600 things to antagonize the crowd, to make the crowd mess 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.760 with the Bryce was known as a verbal bomb thrower whatever. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.240 He talks fast, with a rhythmic cadence, and he's passionate 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.880 about confronting racial injustice, like really passionate, like rhetoric so 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.280 heated that you really begin to wonder, Man, maybe this 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.240 guy could get violent when they had any unmarked card. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.320 What the fuck are you gonna do? Hands up, don't shoot, 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:52.960 You're gonna fire on you legally, you're right. That's Bryce is, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.720 as it happens, an aspiring hip hop artist. He goes 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.680 by the stage name Acoustic, and thanks to that flowing, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.760 lyrical voice, Bryce is pretty good. Everybody go on what side, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.560 don't shade if you like, but a chop a tree, 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.320 not a person in my age race stopped to me. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.520 I need to boxing me of a Catholides. I'm being 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.200 a call at the map and the doctor pleats. I 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.200 try to copy with enocities. I'm gonna call it trying 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.279 to complete. In Denver, there was an open mic series 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.040 called Melanated Mike that became a gravitational center for local 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.360 racial justice activists. Regular speakers included Bryce zep Haul and 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.679 Trey Quinn. He was me, if I never had a felony, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.880 This is Trey describing Bryce. Trey recruited people to speak 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.320 out Melanated Mike and entering the demonstrations. If I had 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.000 never had a felony, I would have been a licensed 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.800 gun owner. I probably would have been a lot more 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.960 like him, you know, with my rhetoric and just the 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.880 way I acted. You know, I I do these things 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.360 a certain way because I know that they can use 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.480 it against me, and so I can't just outright say 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.080 all my beliefs in the most raw form. And he 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.920 would say the things out loud that I would think 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.760 out loud like you know, or think like I think 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.440 up here, but they come out of my mouth a 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.200 different way. He would say, just that. You know, That's 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.000 how how he was. So that Bryce was he was 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.559 radical me for sure. Bryce could be a live wire, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:23.560 and sometimes in his speeches he just go way too far. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.760 He often had the right idea, but it would just 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:31.640 come out wrong, very wrong. Once we had a town 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.480 hall and me and Bryce spoke. I spoke first, Bryce 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.760 spoke second, and Bryce he made a Hitler reference. He 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.440 made a Donald Trump Hitler socialism reference, and he used 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.160 Hitler as the hinge point for the reference. Now, it 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.360 takes so much nuance to understand what he was saying, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.320 because it to the layman, it literally sounded like he 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.720 just said Hitler was right. You know what I'm saying, 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:00.640 But he's literally saying Hitler used a rhetoric about socialists 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.040 that also applies to this. Right now, this is what 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.440 he was trying to say. He could have used any 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.599 other person, but he used that. Bryce's Hitler speech happened 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.080 in August twenty twenty, around the time that Mickey had 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.719 falsely accused Trey of being an informant, and there were 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.080 rumors online circulating about Trey, including that he was a fed, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.480 that he was nanti Semite, that he just couldn't be trusted. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.320 On the Reddit thread of the Black Speakers that spoke 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.880 that night, it was all about me and everything that 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.000 all of the black speakers said. Apparently I said they 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.720 were like Trey said this and that and he and 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.880 he made a healer reference. I told you he was 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.200 an end all this crazy shit, and I knew it 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.000 was like y'all weren't even out there, none of these 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.400 people were here. And so to me, those felt like 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.440 veag accounts for sure, you know what I mean, like 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.600 one person with several accounts helping construct the narrative. That's 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.719 what it felt like to me. I wish I could 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.520 prove that shit. If you remember, Mickey starts spreading rumors 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.280 that Trey was working for the FEDS and that whisper 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.440 campaign is having an effect, so in confusion among the 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.200 leaders and participants of the demonstrations and leading to allegations 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.360 online all made by anonymous accounts, that Trey is a problem. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.080 At the time, Trey isn't telling others that he suspects 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.920 Mickey's an informant. He doesn't want word getting back to 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.200 Mickey because Tray's working under a strategy of keeping your 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.440 enemies close. So Bryce has no idea about tray suspicions. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.960 And one night Bryce attends a party hosted by Mickey 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.240 and his allies. It's in the apartment with all the 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.840 pekk flags, the one where zeb had seen on several 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.960 occasions a table full of guns. This probe like where 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.800 it all starts, I guess for me. Back to Bryce. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.120 Like other demonstrators in Denver, Bryce is fed up. Nothing's 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.559 changing and they're getting their asses kicked by the cops 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.200 every night. There was a bunch of people there and 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.400 it was just, you know, I'm like I would just 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.240 super frustrated with just a whole bunch of different things. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.440 Mickey comes up to Bryce at the party, you know 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:58.920 what I mean. He was like, you know, what's your 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.760 how do you feel? I was like, man like, not 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.760 literally thinking like that, but just like, man like, they're 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.560 not gonna give us no kind of justice, no other 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.680 kind of way. Let's hit him where it hurts, for real. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.960 I was basically just saying how I felt like, let's 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.400 hit him where it hurts, like they're killing us. Bryce 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.440 stops here and he goes on a tangent. It's a 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.720 bit of a rant. I'm gonna let you hear it 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.760 because this is Bryce's typical rhetoric. The type of thing 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.720 he'd say in front of crowds during protests. But this 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.840 is also what he's saying to Mickey an FBI informant 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:41.720 when they meet at the party. America, black people, African Americans, Negroes, niggas, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.400 niggas whatever, we have been under persecution and treated a 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:51.640 certain way by Europeans, Eurasians, whatever you want to call 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.200 white people of lighter skin for at least three centuries, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:02.320 four centuries. We've been looking for something from your treaty 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.240 and from eighteen thirty five that says you was gonna 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.400 give everybody forty acres m. We've been looking for that 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.880 for a hundred years, since we've been out of slavery. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.640 Now you have sworn peace officers who are killing black 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.640 people for whatever specific reason. So to see it happen 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.080 and start getting closer home, like I said Trey via 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.840 Mike Brown, everything like that. And the politicians aren't doing anything, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.680 the governor of the mayor, there's no laws being changed, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:33.679 there's no bills being submitted, the officers aren't being penalized 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:41.760 or what's the word prosecuted. Sorry, you're not really seeing 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.640 anything on the systematic side of it, thing of things. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.120 So it's like Okay, they're killing us. Let's show them 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:53.400 how it feels one time, basically, and that's kind of 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.120 where you know, that's again, that's where conversations with Mickey, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.199 you know what I mean, kind of pretty much went 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:05.400 more or less. Mickey seems receptive to what Bryce is saying, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.959 and to impress Bryce, he starts talking about his experience 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.199 fighting ISIS in Iraq. Mickey brought out a picture of 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.720 him standing over like I don't know how many people 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.160 with bodies would have, you know, cigar in his mouth, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.640 rifle in his hand. I don't know if that was 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.400 exactly that, but I know it was him in the 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.000 picture standing over somebodies with a rifle in his head. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:28.439 He may not have had the cigar. I say the 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.520 cigar because he smoked them saying over a bunch of 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.840 dead bodies. And then next to the picture was an 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:38.760 ISIS flag. Bryce is impressed. He assumes Mickey is some 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.679 kind of mercenary. Mickey tells Bryce that he wants to 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.559 talk to him more in private. He invites Bryce to 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.559 join him for lunch the next day. So let's go 0:10:48.640 --> 0:11:03.280 to lunch after the break. Okay, this is a special 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:09.120 agent Scott Dlstrom with special Agent Byron Mitchell stche It's 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.559 a sunny day in Denver. This is the week that 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.520 racial justice activists have begun their full on attacks targeting 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.400 police buildings with rocks and fireworks, actions that Mickey had 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:23.080 hyped up and encouraged. FBI agent Scott Dhlstrom, Mickey's handler, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.480 is sitting in the passnger seat of a black sedan. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:34.560 He hands Mickey a recording device. YEA, yeah, okay, peace 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.560 loving hair grease. Right, peace love and hair grease, Mickey 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.240 tells the FBI agents. He then walks back to a 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:52.720 silver hearse. Mickey already has a song ready for this moment, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.200 as if he put together a playlist for his work 0:11:55.240 --> 0:12:00.439 as an FBI informant. The song Mickey's playing is Long 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:10.959 Cool Woman in a Black Dress by the Hollies. It's 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.679 about an FBI undercover agent during Prohibition. He's inside a 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.400 speakeasy and the cops are about to raid the place. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.080 He's not answering this. Bullets were drive by his house. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:25.440 He's a beautiful singer and saves her from arrest. As 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.080 the song plays, the FBI's hidden camera gets flipped around 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.520 and faces the partition separating the hearses driver's cabin from 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.560 the area where the coffin would normally be stowed. Leaning 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.840 against the partition, you can see a crossbow with arrows. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.400 This isn't a Robin Hood style crossbow either. We're talking 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.960 about a military style death dealer, designed like a rifle 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.920 that fires arrows instead of bullets, a true zombie apocalypse 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:56.439 kind of crossbow. After driving for about ten minutes, Mickey 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.079 parks and gets out of the hearse. It's the summer 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.959 of twenty twenty er, the pandemic is in high gear, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.400 and vaccines are several months away. Most people are still 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.600 wearing face masks indoors. In the undercover video, you can 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.319 see Mickey putting on his mask. It's black. On the 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.120 left side it reads Peshmerga with a Kurdish flag. On 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.480 the right side it says ninth Brigade with a logo 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.320 for the Punisher. I'm pretty sure this wasn't standard issue 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.040 for volunteer Peshmerga fighters. Mickey no doubt had it made 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:33.160 at a screen printing place. Anyway, this afternoon, with this 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.079 custom made Peshmerga punisher mask, Mickey has his tough guy 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.120 costume on and he struts into famous Days a chain 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:52.800 barbecue restaurant. Mickey's asked for a table for three, and 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.600 of course, since he's secretly recording this for the FBI, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.839 he's also requested for the restaurant's music to be turned down. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.880 But feen minutes later, the activist Bryce Shelby shows up. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.719 What are you up to? Mickey's arranged this lunch to 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.240 bring Bryce and zeb together. Mickey and the FBI are 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.120 now targeting both of them, trying to find a way 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.160 to set them up on federal criminal charges. At the 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.280 beginning of this lunch, Mickey appears to hope he can 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.480 envelop them in a kind of conspiracy. It's all vague 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.840 at this point, but Mickey's aim is to fold them 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.640 into some sort of big, violent plot. At the time, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.320 Bryce doesn't really know zeb Zeb hasn't arrived for lunch yet, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.120 and so Mickey tells Bryce that he's bringing the two 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.320 of them together because, in Mickey's words, they're talking about 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:48.440 the same shit. Yeah yeah, all right, yeah, because he 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.280 says zeb was like because z was talking about like 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.960 the same ship. Yeah, and he was like outside, you 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.240 know what, because I didn't want to like bring anybody together, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.320 try to like sure, but he was cool. Ye, That's 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:01.640 why I asked away. I asked to make sure it 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.480 was just like coach. The waiter then comes up to 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:13.920 the table, so I uh, I was like, you know what, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.800 maybe bring everybody together to if it works out like that, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.560 you know what I mean? So no harm, no foul, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:26.560 yeah talk. Bryce tells Mickey that Zeb has been encouraging 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.920 him to tone down his rhetoric and speeches, something Bryce 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.520 doesn't want to do. Mickey then suggested Bryce that Zeb 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.000 might have an ulterior motive, like, well, I guess he's 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.960 trying to keep licking everything like under the radar, keep 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.200 things under the radar. Mickey says, as if ZEB is 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.120 the mastermind of some big plot in the making. And 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.160 then about ten minutes later, Zeb arrives. I was wondering 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:56.680 if you were coming, okay, yeah, kind of stopped everything. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.720 How you doing? You're good? Good? Good? Fuck? When I 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.600 saw it was Bryce, So like, what the fuck this 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.960 nigga right here? ZEB didn't know that Bryce was going 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.520 to be at this lunch. I didn't trust this dude. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.160 I didn't think he was just you know, we all 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.120 had some mischiefs. Hell, I've got issues, but this dude 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.800 just wasn't fucking there. And when I saw him, like, 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.480 what the fuck this guy? You know, Bryce would walk 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.720 around with a fucking semi automatic gun. As some of 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.240 the protests, he walked around with a fucking noose around 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.240 his neck, and yeah, people, everybody was upset. But I'm like, yo, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.480 this fucking guy. And at that point, you know, I'm there, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:30.840 I was like, all right, let's just see what the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.600 fuck's going on now. But Mickey wants to bring these 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.480 guys together, and he wastes no time in getting started. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.320 He tells zeb and Bryce that his guy an outlaw biker, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:46.560 a bad motherfucker. He's coming into town. Okay, so nobody 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.640 can hear us. So okay, so I talked to my dude. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.080 He's on board. Um, what he's gonna do. He's coming 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.120 in tuesday, So what fairworld meet at nowhere like this 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:04.720 on Tuesday. He'll walk you through what the game plan is. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.600 Mickey says he's going to back away from all this 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.879 once he introduces zeb and Bryce to his guy, and 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.080 his excuse for doing that is he's got a broken finger. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.560 Mickey claims to have injured his finger in a motorcycle 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.760 accident at Sturgis, an annual biker rally in South Dakota. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:22.959 I'm gonna have to step back for a little bit 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.159 because of this fucking situation until this is resolved, because 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.480 I am like, no good, what the fucked up finger? Like? Literally, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.800 my ship Manna shows it's not bad. My motherfucker finger race. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.600 So as you see there, the ball is completely shattered. Yeah, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.120 so it's completely shattered. So I have to and they're 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.840 gonna have to, Like Jack is zeb cracks a juvenile 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.119 joke in case he missed it too much, Jack and Off, man, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.560 I wish, but it ain't the Jack and Off. But 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.080 the thing is that they said, Um, apparently what they 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.160 told me was that they're gonna have to put cut 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.639 through my fingertip put a pin in there. If that 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.239 does not work, Mickey explains that he needs to get 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.800 the finger treated or he runs the risk of losing 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.040 it altogether. Mickey then starts to encourage Zeb and Bryce 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.719 to come up with a plan, but he warns they 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.919 can't bring anybody else in. It's got to remain super secret. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.720 Don't tell anyone what we're talking about. Yeah, but let 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.200 me let me tell you something. I'm gonna roll with 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.200 you a second, okay, And I'm gonna put it as 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.160 as an outlaw biker point of viewer. When you bring 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.560 two me fucking people in, somebody's gonna talk. Motherfucker gets 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.960 pulled in n a d uy. They're gonna talk. Motherfucker 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.440 gets on a dope charge, They get a tall Mutherfucker 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.960 goes to a fucking massage parlor, needs to get massage stub, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.480 and then he gets motherfucking arrested. Muffucker the stitch. The 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.200 waiter comes to the table and Mickey, Bryce and Zeb 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.199 stop their tough guy talk in order food as if 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:55.120 nothing's going on. Mickey says he's buying. Yeah. Mickey orders 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.760 ribs with beans and mashed potatoes. Zeb orders the same 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.360 and says they'll take a chicken sandwich all right, any 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.800 heals guys, and garlic toast for me. Good stead of 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.040 the loffings. You know, I don't like muffins. I hate muffins. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.240 I do not man. I eat that ship the South 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.360 so much, I say, eating fish of the ocean. I'll 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.200 fucking tired of that ship, you say, Wilburn, I anal 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:22.960 fucking i Ano soccer ball here? Thank you? Eat anything cool? Cool. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.040 Once the waiter leaves, the tough guy talk picks back 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:31.440 up the short instances in time, but letting me learn 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.080 what I need to learn, the out build up and 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.960 make something good, right, because I want to burn the 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.359 whole fucking city. Zeb is talking a lot like he 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.960 was earlier when he and Mickey met in his apartment, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:45.040 A lot of vague ideas, speeches, propaganda, training, but with 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.720 a big, splashy conclusion. I want to burn the whole 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.600 fucking city down, Zeb says. But Zeb doesn't have any 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.440 sort of timeline or much of a plan. It's wild talk, really. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.200 Zeb continues to say violence needed to break our corrupt 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.119 and racist system, but he's somehow going to inspire others 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:09.199 to commit violence, not commit any himself. Right. Why can 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.680 I build up over time but anger and resenting it 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.600 and then just throw up some fucking event. And we'd 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.440 look to a rich neighborhood and I couldnt control what 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:22.320 the people do. Why can't I grow anger over time, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.479 Zeb says, and then create a demonstration in a rich 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:30.280 neighborhood if people get violent, well, I can't control people. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.080 That appears to be the extent of Zeb's recipe for 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:39.760 revolution and that's not good enough for Mickey. But which 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.000 rich neighborhood do you think him of pick up it 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.560 over time? You've got six months night, Yeah, but you 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.800 gotta remember my guy doesn't have six months all Indians 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.560 to teach me. I don't know, man, I you don't 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.280 have to talk to him. But the thing I'm telling 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.320 you is this guy's an old bullshit type of cat. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:56.520 You know what I mean. He's not going to like 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.560 sit around and fucking make Hamburgers a ship like that. 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.119 I mean, Y're all trying to do shit. He's going 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.359 to help you with this, but you understand this guy's 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.159 are no fun around type of do you know what 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.560 I mean? And it's like, you know, I mean you 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.520 look at Bryce's point and Bryce is talking about immediate action, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:17.280 you know, news splash shit. I mean, what do you 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:23.040 think Bryce? I hear what the Bryce says. He feels 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.520 like they're running out of time, the cops are kicking 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.880 their asses. Something more needs to be done and soon, 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.200 and Mickey encourages a more specific plan blow up a 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:40.720 courthouse maybe, or shoot the attorney general. You know, I'll 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.480 put you like this. Let me just be real with 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.919 you for a second. At the end of the day, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:46.800 It's cool whatever your game plan is. I mean, I'm 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.440 not gonna sit there and tell you you should do 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.720 this and you should do that. I'm not gonna say that, okay, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.119 but you need to have an objective of what you're 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.880 gonna do. I mean, you know you, like, if Bryce's 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.320 planning on like, okay, I want to blow up a 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.560 motherfucking courthouse, I need to know what the game players 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.800 I'm going to shoot up a more fucking the Attorney General. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.159 So I could tell him, my dude, this is what's up. 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.520 Because if I tell him my dude, like yeah, they're 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.800 gonna come out and hang out for nine months and 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.600 they want to do some training. Mickey says he needs 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:23.040 to give his contact, the no fuck Around Guy, an 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.639 action plan. Otherwise this is all just talk going nowhere. 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.600 But the thing is, at the end of the day, 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.480 I gotta tell him, my dude a game plan. I 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.840 can't tell him like, well, they plan on like eight 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:36.560 or nine months and you tell me, okay, cool, whatever, 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.240 I'll talk to you later. Click Zep won't commit to 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.040 anything concrete, but Bryce he likes. One of Mickey's big ideas. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:58.520 That's after the break So Mickey, Zeb and Bryce are 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.440 sitting at a table at a famous Dave's Barbecue restaurant 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.800 in Denver. Zeb's blueprints for revolution are vague and all 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.879 over the place. As usual, we'll wait a few months, 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.960 get people angry, and then they'll lash out with violence, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.080 bringing down the whole system or something like that. And 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.600 Mickey is getting frustrated with all this gas bagging. He 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.200 wants to introduce Zeb and Bryce to this person. He 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.960 calls his outlaw biker buddy, a no fuck around guy 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:31.920 to use Mickey's subscription, who can provide whatever help they need, training, guns, explosives, 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.680 you name it. So Mickey reveals to Zeb that Bryce 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:37.680 might have a scheme in mind that the no fuck 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:41.480 around guy could get behind. Bryce has the home address 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:45.520 of an important elected official, and well what if that 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.159 politician winds up dead shot as he's getting out of 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:53.000 his car or leaving his house. So question is are 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.000 you cool with Are you cool with Bryce? Do what 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.840 he needs to do if he will do it. Okay, 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.359 I got the DA's address, Bryce says, referring to the 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:12.200 district attorney. Well the you mean the attorney general? Better? Yeah, 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.880 most thing is it's clear from this conversation that Bryce 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.960 doesn't know that the district attorney and the Attorney General 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:23.840 are two different people, two different elected positions. Zeb then 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.119 goes on another tangent about how violence against someone like 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.840 the attorney general could be the start of something big, 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.440 but in typical Zeb fashion, he describes how they'll also 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.480 need to do speeches and propaganda, have a demonstration, maybe 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.320