1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: It's way up at Angela Yee. And you know it's 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: my favorite day of the week, A Wednesday. Okay for 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Wealth Wednesday. My partner Stacy Tisdale is here. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Happy Wealth Wednesday's everybody. It is our favorite day of 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: the week and this is by far gonna be one 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: of our favorite Wealth Wednesdays. 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 3: Yours two. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Everybody's this everybody, Yes, everybody's because we have Tiffany the 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: budget Nista alit with us and we are so honored 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: to have her and celebrate yet another win for her, 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: her new book that just came out, Made Whole. And 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: if there's anybody on this planet who doesn't know who 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: this woman is, right, she is a celebrity, no celebrity 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: to meinancial expert, America's favorite financial expert because she has 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: a New York Times bestseller, Get Good with Money. She's 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: an NAACP Image Award nominee. Jealous the first black woman 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: to grace the cover of Money magazine. You co host 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: a top ranked financial pots called Brown Ambition, co founder 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: of Literature Academy, on Good Morning America, on The Today Show, 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: Everything Else. One of my favorite things is she helped 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: get legislation passed in the state of New Jersey. It's 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: called the budget neiste to law. You know, you're badass 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: law that makes financial literacy an area that I'm super 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: passionate about. Angela's super passionate about a requirement for middle 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: school students. That's a mouthful. And before we even jump 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: into everything about the book, your background is so fascinating. 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: I know your parents are from Nigeria. They raised you 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: to with a focus on financial literacy, and that's really 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: informed you and really informed the development and the creation 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: of the show. 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: It really does show how somebody from a young age 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: can when we teach children this, and that's why you 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: got that legislation pass, how it can really impact their future. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I'm one of five girls, So first of all, 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 4: thank you for having me on. 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: It's awesome. 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm one of five girls, and I learned 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: about money at home. My father was a CFO and 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: an accountant and my mom a nurse, and so my 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 4: dad would literally we'd have money lessons in the living 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: room and then my mom would like we would go 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: food shopping with her and clothing shopping with her, and 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: she would show us, like in the real world, how 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: money worked. I didn't realize that other people didn't get 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: that until really college and my college dorm mate, she 46 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: had debt collectors called our dorm room. We thought it 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: was funny because you know, your kid, you're seventeen, you 48 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: know you're making up funny voices, you know, just be like, hello, 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: my dad. I told my dad and he was like, yeah, 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 4: that's not funny, that's real life, and here's what you 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 4: need to tell her. And it was like in that 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: transferring of information that I realized, I think I want 53 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 4: to do that that I didn't realize. Everyone didn't have 54 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: this information, but there's power in it. And so it's 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: been fifteen years since I started the Budgetista and I've 56 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: helped over two million women then some men, the ones 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: who would listen, right, But yes, it's been an awesome ride. 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: But even your own experiences with money too, because sometimes 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: it is hard to talk about debt that you have 60 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: and trying to get yourself out of that. So I 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: always find it relatable because I definitely had a lot 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: of debt when I first got out of college. I 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: had things that you know, I talked about it before. 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: It was one of the biggest things I did was 65 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: to be able to admit I was like thirty thousand 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: dollars in debt and I had to figure out how 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: to pay that off. And you know, it was on 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: my MX card and they don't play. Yeah, they don't 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: at all. Well, you all want that, but when you 70 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: miss a payment, they it's over for you. So can 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: you talk about your own personal experiences with that? 72 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: So, ANGELI, when I was about twenty five, I was 73 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: what I called financially perfect, eight hundred credit score. I 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: had thirty thousand dollars safe even though I was a 75 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: school tea church twenty five. Yeah, so I was basically 76 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: just doing what my parents told me. And then at 77 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: twenty six I started what the old people called smelling yourself. 78 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: I was like, I don't get to task for advice. 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: I'm out here by myself. And so I invested with 80 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: a friend of mine who was a scammer. I didn't 81 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: know that, you know, he had like the Lambeau, nice 82 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: apartment in the city, and I didn't know at that 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: age that like you could have nice things but actually 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: not have money, right because he was scamming, you know. 85 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: And so he told me, yeah, let's invest and it 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: was it put me thirty five thousand dollars in credit 87 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: card debt, and by twenty five I'd bought a condo 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: because I thought, Okay, I'm growing, let me get my 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: own place. So that was two hundred and twenty thousand dollars. 90 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 4: And at twenty five I also got my master's in education, 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: which was another fifty two thousand. So I was like 92 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: three hundred thousand dollars in debt. Then by twenty seven, 93 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: twenty eight, I'd lost my job. Wow, so I had 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 4: all this debt no job. The recession hit the next year. 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 4: It was like this accumulation of everything that could go 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 4: wrong financially went wrong, and by the time I was thirty, 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: I just thought there's no way that I could dig 98 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: my way out of this. I ended up moving back 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 4: home with my parents and spending my thirtieth birth day 100 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: in my middle school bed. 101 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what kind of fans? 102 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: And I have to ask you, with your dad having 103 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: raised you and your and your mom talking about financial. 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: I said, it's a resets. I need to come back home. 105 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: It wasn't until years later that I wrote a book. 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: It wasn't this book made whole, but I wrote a book, 107 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: and I told my dad I need you to read 108 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: the last check. That's what I told you. He was like, 109 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 4: is that. I was like, yes, it was like, I mean, okay. 110 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: But so that's the thing that like when I'm teaching 111 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: financial education. When I wrote the book made whole, it 112 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: really was from a place of I understand the shame 113 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: and the blame and the overwhelmed, and here are the 114 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: steps to get to for you to get to where 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: you want to get to, because I've been there and 116 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: I know how scary it feels. 117 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: Maideholes kind of a work book to your New York 118 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: Times bestseller Get Good with Money, which everybody should check out. 119 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: How do they work together? And what if someone didn't 120 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: read Get Good with Money. 121 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 4: That's okay, if you didn't read Giger with Money. I 122 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: think about Get Good with Money as a textbook, right, 123 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: and so almost three hundred thousand people have purchased that 124 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: book already. And so but if you're someone who wants 125 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: to learn the lesson and then do the lesson immediately, 126 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 4: that's what made wholeness. It's the same ten steps to 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 4: financial wholeness, which is budgeting, savings, debt, credit, income, investing, insurance, 128 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: net worth, your financial team, and estate planning, she's not playing. 129 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: She knows all ten off the top of her head. 130 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's how. 131 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: Deeply involved it. 132 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, because so I don't really believe in like preaching 133 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: financial freedom meaning you're gonna have a lump sum of money, 134 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: you won't have to work one day, because maybe that 135 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 4: might happen, maybe it might might not right, But with 136 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: financial wholeness, everyone can achieve these ten steps. Everyone can 137 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 4: master and maintain these ten steps, which means that if 138 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: a session happens, you're gonna be all right. Right, you 139 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: lose your job, you're gonna be all right, interest rates 140 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 4: are high, you're gonna be all right. That's what financial 141 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: wholeness gets you to. 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because even saying I'm gonna have this lium sum 143 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: of money and that things happen. 144 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. 145 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 1: We So in COVID hit, you might have thought everything 146 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: was all set for you. You have these properties, and 147 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: then people stopped paying rent. 148 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then now what happens. You don't have financial holeness. So, 149 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: for example, with financial holeness, so a lot of people 150 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 4: who follow me know that two years ago, unfortunately my 151 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: husband so sorry, and I honestly we didn't have a will. 152 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: I was ninety percent hole when I wrote Gecker with 153 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 4: money and I was like, I'll get to a will 154 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: later because he was only forty one and thankfully we 155 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: had done ninety percent of what we're supposed to do, 156 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: so it it financially. I got to just miss him 157 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: and it didn't leave a financial hole for myself, my 158 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: stepdaughter or family. And so like that estate planning chapter 159 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 4: especially made whole is especially important to me because I 160 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: think people you don't think about it. You think to yourself, 161 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: you know you're gonna be here for that. 162 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: That's one thing I need to do. I've been telling 163 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: myself that I need to handle that. Like I did 164 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: my life insurance. I made sure that was straight. But 165 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: knowing that and especially like I just got my real 166 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: estate license, but things like that that's in that I 167 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: was learning when I was taking the classes. It really 168 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: made me realize, I have to make sure I do 169 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: this because you don't know once you're not here. 170 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm telling you like like so for example, 171 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: like so Angela, so for you, you likely would need a 172 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: trust right, So that just means everything basically the trust 173 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: owns everything now and then you put your beneficiaries inside 174 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: the trust so you guys kind of co own everything, 175 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: but that's the trustee. You're in charge of it. Okay, 176 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: So if something God forbid were to happen to you, 177 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: they don't Your family or whoever your beneficiaries are don't 178 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: have they don't have to inherit the stuff. This is 179 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: why it like taxes y. Yeah, and so because they're 180 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 4: already your owners because it's part of the trust. So 181 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 4: even now, all my life insurance policies, I signed them 182 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 4: over to the trust. Okay, all my whole I own. 183 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: I haven't done that. This is good, yes, because if not, 184 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: you know, like for example, in like California, literally there 185 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: are people so grandma bought the house for fifty thousand 186 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: dollars and now it's worth two million, and so you 187 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: inherit it in California. State of California said there's a 188 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: fifty percent inheritance tax. So now you have to come 189 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: up with a million dollars And how do you do that? 190 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: You sell that out? You know. But if you have 191 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: a state planning in place, even I don't care if 192 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: you're twenty one listening to this estate planning at twenty 193 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: one is do you have a bank account, put your 194 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 4: Mama down as a beneficiary. 195 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: Because eighteen, I realized my son went to college this 196 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: year that if he didn't, if I didn't get him 197 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: to sign a medical power of attorney, just like we 198 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: would need to in a financial power of attorney. He's 199 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: my baby, but in the eyes of the lot, he's 200 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: an adult I can't get because of hippolaws, I would 201 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: not be able to get medical information, make medical decisions, 202 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: and if then you're right, any of their finances. So 203 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: estate planning is a critical you think about it. Parents 204 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: need to do this, but your kids need to do this, 205 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: and you know, getting your kids together, that's what motivate 206 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: you do. 207 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: That's why I wrote made Whole because I'm like, there 208 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: are things you're like I never thought about that, Like insurance. 209 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: Most of us are under insurance insurance. I don't think 210 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 4: people would understand the purpose of insurance. It is supposed 211 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: to protect the assets that you've accumulated. So like your 212 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: body is an assey, you have health insurance. Your life 213 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: is an asset you have. You have life insurance. You 214 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: have a pet, you know, like I. 215 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, you have It's very expensive when you have child. 216 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 4: When Fluffy has a car, that's five thousand dollars. Start 217 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: looking at Fluffy like it's been a good life. 218 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: I love it time now, But that's true, and I'm 219 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: glad that we're having this conversation because now it's a 220 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: priority for me to make sure I handle and there's 221 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: so many different ways to do it. I remember somebody 222 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: told me one time, I don't need life insurance because 223 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't have kids and. 224 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 4: Bigger than that. 225 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: So at first I didn't have it, and then I 226 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: was like and then I was doing my own research 227 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, actually, that's terrible advice. 228 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: It is because if you have assets, if you have 229 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 4: any sort of debt, you know what I mean. And 230 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: also too, truthfully, life insurance is a way potentially it 231 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: passed on wealth, especially in our unit. 232 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: We're going to do a whole segment on that because 233 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: people don't realize how much money you can make from it. 234 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: So like so for example, like I had three million 235 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 4: dollars worth of life insurance and even though my husband 236 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 4: passed away, so he was the beneficiary. So my my 237 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: financial advisor asked me, did I want to cancel it? 238 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 4: She said, or you can keep because maybe it cost 239 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: me like two thousand dollars for the year, which I 240 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: can afford. And if something happens to me, I get 241 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 4: to leave wealth to my sisters who are the beneficiaries. 242 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 243 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: When it canceled, it you would get nothing. 244 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so like for me, I would get get that. 245 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: So I mean, but some people can't sell because they're like, well, 246 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: the person who is going to receive it is not here. 247 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 4: But for me, it's like, well, the amount that it's 248 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: costing me is you know, it's not so astronomical that 249 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 4: I can't pay it. You know that to me, I 250 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 4: have the benefit of leaving potentially wealth to those who 251 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: come after me. 252 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: You know, they're going to have costs. They're going to 253 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: have your funeral cost. It's just a mess. And I 254 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: really want to hone in on this, the insurance and 255 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: the estate planning, because it's such a disconnect in our 256 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: community on this. We have a lot of conversations about 257 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: building generational wealth and protecting it, but it all falls apart. 258 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: And like you and I had a conversation, even when 259 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: you get this stuff in place, a state, you really 260 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: got to get ahead of a state panic and family trauma. 261 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: Everything well, because. 262 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: The people don't understand the difference between a will and 263 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 4: a trust. Right. A will is here are instructions for 264 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: my stuff as soon as I passed away, and up 265 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: to six months. That's what will. That's all I will 266 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 4: can do. A trust says years and years and years 267 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: and years into the future, like I can say, and 268 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: I have, so something happens to me, then it's like, 269 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: it goes to my four sisters. If one sister is 270 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 4: not here, but her kids are here, it goes to 271 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: her her kids, not her husband, her kids. Right, But 272 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: that's important, y, right it is? And then I'm like, 273 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: but if the kids are under age, they don't get 274 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: a payment unless they're going to go to school. If 275 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 4: they're not gonna go to school, then at age twenty 276 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: one they get one payment. Age twenty five they get 277 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: one payment, age thirty they get the final But do 278 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 4: you see how far into the future. Because my oldest 279 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: nephew is eight, right, you know what I mean? So 280 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: I can go reach far into the future on his behalf. 281 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 4: Because I'm like, I know, at twenty one you don't 282 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: have no sense. Maybe a little at twenty five, and 283 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: hopefully at thirty when the final payment comes from auntie, 284 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: you have a little sense, but a trust allows you 285 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 4: to reach into the future, and will says this is 286 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: what should happen immediately, and at beneficiary that trumps everything. 287 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: So if your beneficiary says your first wife something happening, nightmare, yes, 288 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 4: and something happens to you. Even if your will says 289 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 4: all my money goes to my second wife, that whatever, 290 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 4: that life insurance policy, the beneficiary name on that trump's everything. 291 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what your will says, you know, so 292 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 4: you always want to update your beneficiaries. You can. If 293 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 4: you're twenty one, you probably have a bank account. Many 294 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: of them have beneficiaries on there. You know, life insurance 295 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: policy at work, a personal life insurance policy, any of 296 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 4: your investment accounts. You want to make sure they're updated. 297 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: You have multiple children, you don't have to put just 298 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: one beneficiary. You can say I have four children, each 299 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: of them are twenty five percent beneficiaries. People don't know 300 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: you could split up. 301 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I split fu to yeah, my family. 302 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because it is the 303 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: holidays and we're talking about being very financial, financially responsible, 304 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: but this is also a time where people are like, Okay, 305 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: it's the holidays, We're gonna be spending a little bit 306 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: maybe above what we normally would have budgeted. We're buying gifts. 307 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: You want to make other people happy. There's all these. 308 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: Sales going on right now. 309 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about that because 310 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: I know for a long period of time, I definitely 311 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: know for a fact myself like I am an emotional spender. 312 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: When I have certain things going on, I'm like, Uh, 313 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: it's only gonna make me feel better if I buy 314 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: myself something. And I feel like sometimes I go through 315 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: like a little withdrawal when I'm not shocking because I'm 316 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: trying to be responsible and I have a lot of 317 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: things that I need to take care of. So what 318 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: can you talk to people about with that? When it 319 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: comes to all right, I'm in this situation right now, 320 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: and it is the holidays, and it is a time 321 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: when we are going to be traveling, and maybe we 322 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: don't have it like that. What kind of advice would 323 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: you give to people? 324 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: So one like before the holidays, like really get up 325 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 4: and running. Set aside money in like a separate account. 326 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: So so one of the chapters in Made Whole is 327 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: a savings chapter, and I talk about separating your money 328 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: so you can see your money. You should have a 329 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: checking account, two checking accounts at your regular bank for 330 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: bills and spending, and another two savings accounts at a 331 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: separate online only bank, because that means you can't make 332 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: easy transfer. Its usually about twenty for our weight, you know, 333 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: so I would have I like to open up savings 334 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 4: accounts for specific goals, So I might have like a 335 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: holiday savings account, so I know as I'm pulling money 336 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: out of that account, this is the money I've set aside. 337 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: It's not gonna affect my bill money. It's not gonna 338 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: affect my day to day spending for groceries and grooming, 339 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: and it's not gonna affect my emergency savings. Like I'm 340 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: setting aside this specifically for this, like I'm renovating my 341 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: I bought a condo recently and I'm renovating it. Now, 342 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: I set that money aside, you know, so even though 343 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: I'm spending a lot of money, but I'm like, yeah, 344 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: but you still have money in the pot, so you're good. 345 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: This has nothing to do with the money that exactly. 346 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: So separating your money, especially for holidays shopping, is going 347 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: to be critical. It depends on what kind of shopper 348 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: you want. But honestly, it sounds crazy, but shopping online 349 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: can be helpful because you can make your list ahead 350 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: of time, look at your budget, and then say these 351 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: are the things I'm buying versus going into the store 352 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 4: and just pulling things off this show. 353 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: And you can also do a lot of comparison online 354 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: to which is really helpful. And I'm when I see 355 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: something I like, I put it in my Google and 356 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: then I put in shopping and then I see if 357 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: I can I save so much money that way. And 358 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: also like signing up for discounts, Yes, you know, sign 359 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: up to get on this email list and you get 360 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: ten percent of. 361 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: Followed them on social media, Mike, follow your favorite like 362 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: retailers on social media sometimes don't have like literally like 363 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: specific social media coupons, so I like to follow them 364 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: and say like, well what we got today, right right? 365 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: You know? And so, But honestly, when it comes no 366 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: one wants to hear the word budget. But like I 367 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: started off, I'm the budget niece, Yes you, And the 368 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: first chapter of the book, I start off with the 369 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: fundamentals of this is how you create a budget, and 370 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: you can literally have a budget created, and then automate 371 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: it so these things can happen for you. You don't 372 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: have to think about on my bills paid because you 373 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: have a separate checking account for bills. I call it 374 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: split it before you get it. Head on down to 375 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 4: HR and say, hey, HR, you put all my money 376 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: in this one. Pod pots are great for PAYEA and jellifrice, 377 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 4: it's not good for money. I want you to have 378 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: a checking account just for your spending, so that's attached 379 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: to your debit card, so that's like groceries. Hear it 380 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: on nails done, everything did, And then I want you 381 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: to have a separate checking account just for BIS bills 382 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 4: and ideally automate those bills so you don't have to wonder. 383 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: Thirty five percent of your credit score is on time payments, 384 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 4: so if you automate your bills, that's thirty five percent 385 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: of your credit score done right there, and it's automated. 386 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: And then you have your savings set aside, so when 387 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: I swipe my debit card, I know I'm not spending savings. 388 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 4: I'm not spending bill money. It's money set aside specifically 389 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: for this. 390 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: In that budgeting part of the book, you talk about 391 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: really understanding the money you have flowing in and the 392 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: money you have flowing out, and that sounds great, but 393 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: sounds very overwhelming to an entrepreneur, to somebody who doesn't 394 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: have steady income. All of this, Like when you hear 395 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: people talking about budgeting and saving and all of this stuff, 396 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know what I'm gonna make next month. 397 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm not going to make money 398 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: for three months. 399 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm waiting for people to pay me. 400 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: Wait, you have to So literally chapter three, I think 401 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: it's called saving like a squirrel. So squirrels are super 402 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: savvy savers. Right, Squirrels understand that fall comes, spring comes. 403 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 4: Acorns aren't everywhere, but squirrels know that financial winter comes. 404 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, winter comes for everybody. So what do 405 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: squirrels do? That's when they're their busiest and save the most. 406 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 4: So when you are in your financial abundance, if you 407 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: have a business, you know January Q one is your 408 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 4: great your great quarter. Know that that money is not 409 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 4: just for Q one, it's also for Q four. 410 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: Because a lot of times you get that money. 411 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, finally you have to set you know, you 412 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: have to set aside. You have to set aside money. 413 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: So what I like to do I finally learned as 414 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 4: an entrepreneur, I call it paid the pot. So in 415 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: the beginning, I would have a speaking engagement, they would 416 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 4: pay me. I'm like, ah, I got money. No, no, no, 417 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 4: the pot shot down right. So I would put money 418 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 4: into the pot, you know, like so like a checking 419 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: account specifically for my business. And then I would have 420 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: the business allocate money to me monthly. No matter how much. 421 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 4: If I made ten thousand, I would still get two 422 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 4: thousand that month. If I made fifteen hundred, I can 423 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 4: still get two thousand, you know. So I would pay 424 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: the pot. Well, you pay the pot, the po pays 425 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: you have to, because that's what business looks like. Do 426 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: you think Jeff Bezos is like, eh, you you purchased 427 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: you know, lip gloss, and he's taking your two dollars 428 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: in his pocket like we gotta be grown. You gotta 429 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: pay the pod or else you know. The irs is like, well, 430 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 4: you're gonna pay this pod. 431 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: I would love to see a video of Jeff Bezos doing. 432 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: He will make one and listen. 433 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: Another thing that you talk about in this book is 434 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: enhance or expand your skills. You know, I love that 435 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: because I am mistake a class. 436 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: You know, she's just got her real estate license. Oh 437 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: I did this and not that. 438 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: But I really just started taking the classes because I've 439 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: been doing some real estate things personally and I wanted 440 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: to make sure that I understood, yeah, understood everything that 441 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: I was doing. But also because I know I can 442 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: get paid if I do some referrals, just because if 443 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm like, oh, Stacey's looking for a house, 444 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: let me refer her here, I can't get paid if 445 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: I don't have my license. 446 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 4: But when I have my license. Now, what you're learning, 447 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 4: Angela is with the mistake that people are making on 448 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: social media now as they're doing all the things, you're 449 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 4: learning that real money is made deep versus wide. It's like, 450 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: I'm doing this thing already. How many others skills can 451 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 4: I collect in this arena? Like, so people come to me, 452 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: they're like, Tiffany, you speak. Yes, I have a book 453 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 4: and I have a podcast and all in the financial space. 454 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 4: So there's like ten different ways that I'm making money 455 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: in this deep pot versus I do hair, I do nails, 456 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 4: I do tail toes, I have financial education. It's like 457 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: the corner store, they have chickens, chains, CDs, you know, 458 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 4: and it's like, so learning and business just even personally 459 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 4: going deep with your money versus why it's going to 460 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 4: be really smart because you're going to be able to 461 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: make more because you become an expert in that space. 462 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: And so when brands come to me, they got to 463 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: come with the bag, you know, because they're like, no, no, 464 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: Tiffany's an expert in this space versus oh, that's the 465 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: girl that does everything. 466 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this, since we're talking about, 467 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, coming with the bag, negotiating, right, because that's 468 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: an important thing too. Sometimes we're not negotiating our salaries, 469 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: we're not negotiating raises, we're not negotiating what our rate is. 470 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: So how were you able to get good at that? 471 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: Was that a skill that you always had or was 472 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: that something you had to learn. 473 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 4: I had to learn and so I do this thing 474 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: called straight to Oprah. If Oprah came to us and said, hey, y'all, 475 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 4: if you drop two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, you 476 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 4: have ten hours to do so I will open up 477 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 4: my roller decks and introduce you to everybody I know. 478 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: We would come up with that two fifty so fast 479 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 4: because we know Oprah's value is so obvious that we 480 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: know we're gonna make that money back, you know, times ten. 481 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 4: So I realized that, like if I needed to make 482 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: my value so obvious, people came up with the money, 483 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: Like as if I was Oprah? How do I illustrate 484 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 4: my value in such an undeniable way that you come 485 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 4: see me? You know, like just this last month, my team, 486 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: we got over two hundred thousand dollars worth of contracts 487 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 4: that came in Q four. People are like that, you know, 488 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: this was a really bad year and it was a 489 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: rough year for us too, But the brands are coming 490 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: to me because they're like, we see Tiffany's value. Is 491 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: it via social media? How do you show up? Do 492 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 4: you have a strong email list? Are you connecting? Are 493 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 4: you converting? Like? How do you show up? So people 494 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 4: know the value bringing to the table and that allows 495 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: you to negotiate and then you exact. 496 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 497 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 4: So one, I always get the feelers out, like what 498 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: are the girls giving? 499 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: Right? 500 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: How much did you get? How much did you get? 501 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 4: And then I'm like, okay, based upon your size, the 502 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 4: value that I think that you bring to the table. 503 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 4: This is what I can ask for. And I've pushed back. 504 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I had a brand. It was a huge 505 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 4: you choose multinational brand. If I if I said their name, 506 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: you'd be like, okay. We watched them movies, you know. 507 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: And they came to me and they asked me how 508 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: much for a keynote. I told them fifty thousand dollars. 509 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: They said, girl, you tried it. And then I realized 510 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: that it was the woman who was negotiating. I could 511 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: see her name was a black woman. I said, oh, 512 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 4: I'm Lenna. Get my black girl card out. I was like, sis, 513 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 4: as a black woman, like I do just as much 514 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 4: as everybody else that you've hired. Why am I not 515 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: able to attract that kind of money? And she's like, 516 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 4: well the people at the top. I said, well, push 517 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: back at the people at the top right as she did. 518 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: And I got my money and I slayed it because 519 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 4: that's important too. Yes you have. I slated And then 520 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: they came back and said, we were so sorry that 521 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 4: we even that we denied you. Because I illustrated my Oprah. 522 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: You have to really stand up for yourself. We were doing 523 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: a big campaign with the big company had agreed on 524 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: a price for content and everything, and then had shot everything. 525 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: And then the day before we were supposed to really 526 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: really go into production, I got a call saying, our 527 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: marketing agency is reevaluated and we're going to give you 528 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: half of what. I hire the crews, I hire the graphics. 529 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: I'd done everything. I didn't panic, and I called the 530 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: head of diversity at the company. That's what you do, 531 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: and I said, I think a situation has come up 532 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: that you could inform. Yes, indeed, I said, they're valuing this. 533 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: They're saying, this is this, impressions, this is that, I said, 534 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: So what they're not valuing is us. And you want 535 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: us to talk about how you're so great to people 536 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: of color, which I want to do because I believe 537 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: your company is. But you really need to take a 538 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 2: look at that. Done had it next day. But what 539 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: a lot of that negotiation is confidence. And I love 540 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: about the book how you address the psychological aspects. So 541 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: talk to us about that a little bit and like 542 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: really important and I love it. I love that we 543 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: do it. At the beginning, you talk about sharing your 544 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: shame is okay. 545 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 4: Because shame shield solutions, and so I try to help 546 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 4: you with their money. But if they're still beating themselves up, 547 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 4: it's hard for me to get for you to see 548 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: that there is something on the other side of this. 549 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 4: And so for me, I learned through therapy and just 550 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 4: through action that like, in order to get rid of shame, 551 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 4: you have to give voice to it. And so for me, 552 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: it was like I had to get myself a Linda, 553 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: Linda's my best friend. I had to tell her, like, yo, 554 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: I'm drowning in my personal finances. Things are not going 555 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 4: as well as i'd hope. And Linda was like, that's it, girl, 556 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 4: Please look around. We all broke and you. 557 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: Know, because perspective, you know. 558 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 4: And I was like, you're right. And so what it did, though, 559 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: was it opened me up to realize it's not shame 560 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: loves for you to think you're by yourself. 561 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: Oh you. 562 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: And so once I realized that there were a ton 563 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 4: of people also navigating that space and let me realize 564 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 4: that like, I wasn't a bad person. I was in 565 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: a bad spot, but I wasn't a bad person, and 566 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: I could see the solutions. And that's why I started 567 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: the Budgetistam That's why I wrote Made Whole, because I 568 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 4: said I didn't want anyone else to navigate without their Linda. 569 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 4: I wanted to be there to stand in space and 570 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 4: hold space for people who are like I am ashamed, 571 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I want to tell someone, 572 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: and then I want to be able to take action. 573 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: And so if I share all the dms that I get, 574 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 4: like just from when this book, you know, it came 575 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: out just last week. I mean already people are like 576 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: tificany I'm crying while I'm reading this. I'm doing the work. 577 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: I can see myself on the other side. For the 578 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 4: first time. I'm opening up my bills. I realized that 579 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: I'm not alone because you're not. You know, You're not. 580 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: You know I used to be the queen of not 581 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: opening up my bills, but now I pay everything every 582 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: month as soon as I can. And I love the 583 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: fact that you gave specific numbers because I think people 584 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: also have an issue with that, right talking about what 585 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to talk about that. I 586 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: had did a podcast one time, and it was like 587 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: a group podcast, and so one of the first things 588 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: we did was talk about what we each were offered 589 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: to do it so that we could say we all 590 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: want to get paid the same amount of money for 591 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: this work, because sometimes people can keep that to themselves 592 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: and try to negotiate for themselves and kind of, you know, 593 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: I feel like, well, I bring, we were all equals 594 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: in this, so we should all get paid the same amount. 595 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: But sometimes people really don't want to talk about the salaries. 596 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: People lie all the time to and would say they 597 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: got more. Like I've heard that happen to. Somebody would 598 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, they paid me x amount of 599 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: dollars for this, and then they don't know I know 600 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: the person. 601 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: And now you look foolish and exactly. But I was like, 602 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 4: why did they offer me that? But also too, it's 603 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: like it's not helpful, like you know, like in this space, 604 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 4: like sharing what you made. Anyone who knows me knows 605 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: that I share my numbers freely, right, you know, because 606 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: I'm not ashamed of that because even in sharing, I mean, 607 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 4: I'm like a friend of mine, Lovey, she like a 608 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 4: social commentary heirs and Lovey I shared with her, like 609 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 4: my how much I was charging for social media. She said, 610 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 4: you played yourself up this up this up this up. 611 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know, but for speaking, I was like, girl, 612 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: that's it up this, up this, up this, and so 613 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 4: it's in that exchange that like, yeah, that I learned 614 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 4: I could get paid more. And and also too in 615 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: this space when you share, people put you on. I 616 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: can't tell you how many times someone has pulled me 617 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 4: into a room and be like, oh, no, this is 618 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: who you need to get to speak and here's the 619 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 4: budget for that, Tiffany, you know, Or how many times 620 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: that I can't do a thing and don't have a 621 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 4: bag and I can't do it. I'm like, oh, hold on, 622 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: hold a bag. Yes, I have somebody who can collect 623 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 4: because I'm like, no, that we should all be sharing. 624 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: Like and so to me financial education, like I think 625 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: it's like the eighth and ninth chapter I talk about 626 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 4: your financial team and one of the people on your 627 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 4: financial team and made whole. You need to have an 628 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: accountability partner. That it is a team sport your money. 629 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 4: You should not be out here doing it by yourself. 630 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 4: It's too overwhelming, you know. So for so Beyonce has 631 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: to be hive and I have dream Catchers, and so 632 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: there are over two million dream catchers worldwide. We have 633 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: inside the book, I give you access to our free communities. 634 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 4: We have a number of them, some are upwards of 635 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: five hundred thousand people. So there is no financial challenge 636 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 4: that you can have that someone has not experienced it 637 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 4: solve for it is not willing to share how you 638 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: can do so too. So it's not just like to me, 639 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: it's more than money. It's a movement that I'm wanting 640 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: to create that yes, you get the book made whole, 641 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: but then you also get a chance to do the work. 642 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 4: I have all these tools and resources that are free 643 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: on the site, and then you can invite it to 644 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 4: the group so you're never by yourself. That like the 645 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 4: teacher in me understands that holistically you need help, you know, 646 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 4: somebody to hold your hand through the whole thing of it. 647 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: And absolutely, yeah, that's why I love what I do. 648 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: That's how you got started because digging yourself out and 649 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: then your friends asking you how you did it, and 650 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: then you tell them and they're like, hey, this is 651 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: catching up. 652 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so here I am. 653 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, I love this and I'm glad we're best friends now. 654 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 4: But the people can get made home, yes please. 655 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: So if you want to get. 656 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: The workbook made whole, you can go to maid Whole 657 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: Workbook dot com. 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It's like, 666 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's really amazing, like a celebrity in 667 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: my eyes, and so helpful to people, to me because 668 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I am now about to go and get this chest going. 669 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 4: If you need an attorney, let me know. Okay, yes please, 670 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 4: I'm ready. Let's get it. 671 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: I feel energize. So thank you so much. 672 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for happy thank you for joining Wealth Wednesdays, 673 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: and don't forget to go to maid Whole Workbook dot 674 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: com and every I just love it because you have 675 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: the kit, you got the lists and everything. You don't 676 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: have to do anything. Just fall into her community and 677 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: her loving arms. 678 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: And all right, it's welcome Wednesday. 679 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: Thank you so much