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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a

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Speaker 1: told no about it. I want to smoke. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to a special Quarantine edition of All the Smoke with

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Speaker 1: my brethren. Stephen Jesse Jackson. What's up? What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 1: My HERMANO? How you doing? Bro? You're good? I'm good man,

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Speaker 1: just chilling man. I'm I'm excited about this episode. But

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Speaker 1: you tell you all the words out of my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, I got, I got, I gotta because you

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Speaker 1: know it's some it's a big broad mind. You know

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Speaker 1: we've we've played against each other off the NBA court,

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Speaker 1: no question. Bring him on in, Bring him on in,

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Speaker 1: man without further Ado. One of my favorite players growing up,

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Speaker 1: Man Killer. Let's welcome Penny Hardaway Man. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time and joining us today. Yeah, Man, appreciate you're

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Speaker 1: having me on here. Man, my phone was going up now,

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Speaker 1: that's all we're trying to do. Were trying to help you. So,

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Speaker 1: fifteen year career, four time All Star, three time All NBA.

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Speaker 1: You were a draft day trade Orlando picks see web,

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Speaker 1: You know how shock is. Shaq knew me when I

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, when I go to Orlando, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So how are you holding up? Coronavirus? You know everybody's

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Speaker 1: what happened though, but it was it was an I know.

429
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Speaker 1: I opened it though, sitting out after being robbing and

430
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 1: then and getting shot while I was sitting out there

431
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't have been a little penny in the streets. Noo. Man,

432
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 1: you get back on track, make the Dean's List, your

433
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 1: team makes it to your lead eight. You lost to

434
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Speaker 1: our Nick van Exel Cincinnati nine two summer. You get

435
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,159
Speaker 1: a chance to play for the USA Development team that

436
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: gains to face the Dream Team. And that was a

437
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 1: hell of a team, man, And I heard stories. I

438
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: want you guys to get to that. But I want

439
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 1: to name a few players are on that team. Chris Webber,

440
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley, Jamal Mashburn, Big Rodney Rogers, Eric Montrosh, Grant Hill,

441
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: Alan Houston, and you guys get to go against the

442
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: Dream Team, everybody's all time favorite team to watch, you know,

443
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: the most talented team we've ever put together. What was

444
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 1: it like in those battles? Because you guys are young

445
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: and up and coming. I know you, I know Webb

446
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 1: was out there talking ship, you got your swag. You

447
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: guys had a lot of young talent on that team.

448
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: What was it like going to battle against them? Dudes? Man,

449
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: First of all, you get star strokes soon as you

450
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: walk in the room. We we check in and youre

451
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: walking in the room, you see Larry Burry, Michael Jordan's,

452
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: David Robinson, Charles Barkla Exer, John Stock and all these guys.

453
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. Like but then you again,

454
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: you say, I don't want to embarrass myself with these cats.

455
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Speaker 1: So once we get to the court, Maggie john Stock,

456
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: then y'all gonna have problems. I don't care. I have to.

457
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 1: I have to show y'all how can ball. And that

458
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: was my mentality. I have to show y'all to get

459
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: the respect from these guys. And man, we all went

460
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: out there with their mentality that if we if we're

461
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 1: gonna be out here, we're gonna we're gonna ball out.

462
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: And the first scrimmage that we scrimmaged them like a

463
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: real scrimmage, we shacked him because they didn't take us seriously,

464
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: like we out there talking. I mean, you know, see

465
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: web see what about they're talking so much and he

466
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 1: kissing them off, but we're having so much fun. The

467
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: next day we come back after beating that ass them boys,

468
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: was so much more physical. The first day wasn't this physical?

469
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: The second day is like they told the referees, y'all

470
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: better not blow y'all whistle one time we're beat I'm

471
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: talking about they beat our ass man, and it was

472
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: just a lesson learned, like we called him off guard.

473
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: But the whole experience of the whole time spending with

474
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: them though, was you could just tell they were just professionals.

475
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,239
Speaker 1: They took their crafts so serious. This and that just

476
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of just resonated with me. Just man, if you're

477
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: gonna make it to this level, you gotta be about

478
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: your business. And it was a great experience for me

479
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: and the rest of the fellas. So you returned after

480
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: that experience, I'm sure you're on cloud now. You return

481
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: for your junior year, you have his twenty three eight

482
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: and a half, six and a half assists, two steals,

483
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: playing out of your mind all America and you make

484
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: the you know you're on the finalist list for Player

485
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: of the Year. What was it like? I think it

486
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: was dope. I never knew that that you had a

487
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: whole Memphis squad. Tell me what your time at Memphis.

488
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: That was a culmination of it. But tell me with

489
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: the time in Memphis was like coming back from that

490
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: that that USA Select Team, Man, can you amount? I

491
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: was on cloud down. I was like, I don't give

492
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: a damn who come at me? I just played this.

493
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 1: I just the bird. I just say, come on, man,

494
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: stop and I mean I'm ready. So I came back

495
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: into the season so locked in. I mean I think

496
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I missed the day in the

497
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: gym because I was just so locked in on that's

498
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: where I need to be, That's where I want to be. Uh.

499
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: And then coming into the season, like you said, with

500
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Speaker 1: a group of guys that were just basically saying, you're

501
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: our guy, We're gonna follow you. And I had some

502
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: I had some good talent on the team. They weren't

503
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: large names, but they could really play the game, and

504
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: they were tough and man rodding that way. That year, Man,

505
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: I was ready to lead. We had gotten David Vaughan

506
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: from Nashville. He was the guy that the only outside

507
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: MYMI this guy was really David Vaughan. He was from Nashville,

508
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: couple a couple of hours on a road and Man,

509
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: we just went to work. Man. We had an unbelievable

510
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: season and like I said, it ended in the Elite eight.

511
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: But there was nothing like that run. Man, not even

512
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: going to the finals to play against Houston in my

513
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: second year was anything like that run that we made

514
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: the n c A. Man, it was just it was different.

515
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: That's though. That's people don't understand unless you get a

516
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: chance to experience how fun college was. And it's almost

517
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a foregone conclusion now for the majority of

518
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: the top top athletes because, first of all, because the

519
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: policy of the n C double A, but the G

520
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: League keeps getting sweeter. You're seeing people like LaMelo Ball

521
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: going overseas and doing what they're doing and buying this

522
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: team and coming back and getting drafted. So the grass

523
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: looks greener on that other side. But for someone like me,

524
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: you know who who did four years in college. You

525
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: did three years of college. You know we both can contest. Man,

526
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: college was, like I said, outside of having children, Man,

527
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: it was it was the best time of my life.

528
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: And U it disappoints me one because the competition level

529
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: isn't what it should be. But just to know that

530
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: guys aren't gonna get that last chance. Everything now is

531
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: so strategic and its money and it's you can risk this,

532
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: you can risk that. Back then, we just wanted to play.

533
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: We wanted to play with our homeboys. We want to

534
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: go have a good time and then hit the NBA.

535
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: But now let's skip that little middle part. Let's get

536
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: get to the NBA. So ninety three you're drafted. Uh

537
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: shake David Stearn's hand. What's that moment? Like? Man, come on, bro,

538
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: I came out of a dorm room with twin bid

539
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: and you know when you're shake Javid sn head that

540
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: you know you're at I'm dumb done with that tweet.

541
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to get a mansion. Yeah, I'm about

542
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: to get a man to do. Seriously, though, it was

543
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: just a dream come true to just shake his hand

544
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: and say God, thank you for the opportunity, because this

545
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: is what dreams are made. Though. Man, when you when

546
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: you see it early and you work your ass off

547
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: to get to it and you get to it, that's

548
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people can't say that. Man. So when

549
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: I shook his hand, it was like, man, thank you,

550
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: thank you, I've arrived. Now I read some things that

551
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: you want. You wanted to get to Orlando to play

552
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: with Shack or is that? What is that where you wanted?

553
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: Where did you want to go in the draft? Not

554
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: that you really had a choice, but it was that

555
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: somewhere you wanted to go. I wanted to get to

556
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Orlando because I was thinking about the Magic and Kareem.

557
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: You know the type of situation. It wasn't I didn't

558
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: want to play with Free and Tim Hardaway. It was

559
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: just I felt like I would be better with Shack

560
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: and that and that tandem. Man, it worked out for

561
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: everybody when it happened. When it happened, high excited would

562
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: when it happened. Man, When they told me that it

563
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: was gonna happen on draft light and I shook Chris

564
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: his hand and I knew he was going to go

565
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: and say now I was going to Orlando, man, I

566
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: just I never stopped smiling because I was like everything.

567
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to play with Shack. I wanted to play

568
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: with Shade. Rookie of the year, your first year, rookie

569
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: of the Year, take your team to fifty wins, playing

570
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: all eighty two games, which is unheard of. Now, Um,

571
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: what stood out to you most your rookie year and

572
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: when did it really start clicking? Because I mean you

573
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: hit the floor running, Yeah, you know, coming in, getting

574
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: with Shaq, getting with a team, uh that was on

575
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: the up and coming. I was basically just saying, man,

576
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: it's time for me to just stamp my name now. Uh.

577
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't really know me at mentor State,

578
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: and I was like now, and then the Orlando Magic

579
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: drafted me and traded me for Chris Whatever. Everyone knew

580
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: Chris Whatever. So I was ready to just kind of

581
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: stamp my name and say it's time for me to

582
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: make my mark on this league with Shack. It's time

583
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: to win the championship. So that I was really just

584
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: locked in every single night, I was so ampty and

585
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: ready to go against. It didn't matter who it was.

586
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: It's a different game. Now. Who were some of yours

587
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: that's in mentors um on that Orlando team. Well, Nick

588
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Anderson was definitely mentors. Scott Scotles was a mentor until

589
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: we traded him. But Nick and I kind of drew

590
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: drew to each other because I was a fan of

591
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: those Illinois teams. When he played at Illinois, they had

592
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: squads him and Kendall Gill and Loyd Helm all those

593
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: guys that played at Illinois. They were, man, I think

594
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: their smallest guy in the starting line up like six

595
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: seven six six there were it might have been Stephen

596
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: Bardo and Nick. So I was like, always been a

597
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: fan of his. So when I got to Orlando and

598
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: then I was a fan of Ben Ben Wilson they

599
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: got killed like back in the day. And when I

600
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: heard his story, I was like, man, I just asked

601
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: so many questions. And when I started asking questions, he

602
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: saw how humble I was. I didn't come in with

603
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: any kind of ego. I was like, man, I just

604
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: want to be locked in. I want to be looked

605
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: at and respected by my peers. And Nick was the

606
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: man on the team before Shock and I came. So

607
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: we're just kind of connected. Man, blue chips, Like I said,

608
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite basketball movies. You and Shocked together

609
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: on the big screen. Nick Nolte, Uh crazy with this

610
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: crazy Bobby Bobby Knight impression. What was it like? I

611
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: mean to like, you're you're in movies and everything. You're

612
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: you're a star. Now take me back to and what

613
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: your mindset was, because I'm sure people probably couldn't tell

614
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Penny shit. Man. Hey man, they have a movie out

615
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: to be playing with Shock, to be one of the

616
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: hottest teams in the league, and that starts was starting

617
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: to shine. Man, it was an unbelieve like it was

618
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: a moment that I can never forget to have a movie.

619
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's like, you're in a movie, a big

620
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: time movie too, man, thank you. I just felt like

621
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: it was it was real too. At the time, I

622
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: was like, this this movie the picks college basketball in

623
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: a real fashion because you got your boosters, you got

624
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: your you know. Back then, I was like, man, everything

625
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: about this movie is real, and I wanted it to

626
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: be so natural. And then our our producer and director

627
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: let us play real basketball, so we didn't act out

628
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: anything except for the last scene for me to throw

629
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: shack the lot. So I was loving everything about it.

630
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: It was on Cloud nine. It was the last time

631
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: someone called you, Butch mccraye. It's been it's been a

632
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: couple of years and since somebody's call. But they do

633
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: still play the movie a lot, so I can appreciate that.

634
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: And they got they got a lot of people making

635
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: that jersey, making your jersey from the movie and wearing

636
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: them too. Yeah, a lot of people like because I

637
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: actually had a set of my shoes, the Air Penny fives.

638
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: They just brought out the Western Bush mccraye with the

639
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: number twenty two on it, and everybody, I'm like, a

640
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what the two means, but

641
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah. So the second year, I mean,

642
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: you guys experienced success right off the bat. You guys

643
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: are in the finals. You have a one seven four,

644
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: first team All NBA. You're probably thinking, like, ship is this?

645
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: This is what it's like. I mean, like I said,

646
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: because it's normally your process. You guys hit it. You're

647
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: in the finals your second year. Speak to me on

648
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: your guys mindset and what you learn from that first

649
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: finals run. Well, when we got horrors Grant from the Bulls,

650
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: I locked it in. At that point, I was like

651
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: we're going to the finals. You can just got you

652
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: got that field when you play on a really good team.

653
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: You guys have played on good teams, I mean in

654
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: sat Cast Championship. So I had to feel like we're

655
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna be unstoppable now now that we have Horror. This

656
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: is a missing piece that year. During the season recular season,

657
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: we were running through everybody. It was just it was

658
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: very easy first couple of rounds of the playoffs. Um,

659
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: we were confident that we just weren't gonna lose, even

660
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: though we lost the second We beat the Boston Celtics

661
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: the first game by sixty three points in the first

662
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs, and they came back and beat

663
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: us in game two at our building, and we had

664
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: to go to the Garden and beat them two games

665
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: in a row. We shut down the first original Boston

666
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Garden in that series. And then the next series was

667
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and the Bulls, and you know, they don't

668
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: lose the playoffs series, so it was like, man, these

669
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: dudes haven't lost in so long. Man, both of you know,

670
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: like we gotta lock in, and we locked in and

671
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: beat them, and then we went to the Indiana Pacers

672
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: went to Game seven with them, and once we did that,

673
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: the Spurs and the Rocket series were still going on,

674
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: and we were like, you don't matter who when, it

675
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: don't matter when we bust in the ass, it's us,

676
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: it's our year. And when Houston one, I think we

677
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: got a little cocky because we beat them both games

678
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: in the regular season pretty handily, and we were like, man,

679
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna smash these dudes. Man had them down in

680
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: the first quarter, midway through the second and they made

681
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: a nice run for the end of the half, and

682
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: then the third quarter they made another run and they

683
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: went nip and tuck and it went over time and

684
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: they beat us. And all you're talking about letting the

685
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: air out, I think that game it was like it

686
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: deflated our whole team to where we could never recover

687
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: at all. And they they shot the crap out of

688
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the ball. Kenny Santa Sell, Fernon Maxwell, Robert Ory, Mario Elie,

689
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: they shot the ball and Dream was Dream was stupid. Man,

690
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: he was stupid. I've describe that that was stupid. But

691
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: talk to talk to because to me, he's one of

692
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: he's one of the great players that gets overlooked so often.

693
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: Talked to us a little bit about what that battle

694
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: was like, because Shock is the up and coming next wave.

695
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: You're an up and coming next wave, and y'all ran

696
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: into motherfucking the Dream and he he set everything straight,

697
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: talk to us about how talented it wasn't what that

698
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: matchup was like between him and Shock at that time. Well,

699
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: let me get this straight. Dream was the vet. Shack

700
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: was kind of the kid. Shock held his own, but

701
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: it was a different level at that time. The Shock

702
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: that was with the Lakers, if he would have been

703
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: that Shock, and we would have played against you, so

704
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: we would want question. But the Shock that was in

705
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Orlando was just too young. He was he was still

706
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: getting his but it just didn't know enough. But man,

707
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Dream was really to me, are freaking small forward playing

708
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: center and that ship was unfair. His foot is a

709
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: good way to put it. Was sick. His footwork, his

710
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: shot making ability, his i Q, his toughness, his it's

711
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: just he was just to me, he was a robot dog.

712
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: That dude deserves way more credit than whatever he gets

713
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: if he's not getting it. Absolutely So, like I said,

714
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: you're in the finals your second year, you're thinking it's

715
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like that every year, and you had the

716
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: harsh reality of looking back on it now, like it

717
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: doesn't come that easy, it doesn't happen that fast. You

718
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: and Shack's final season together was the next season, Um,

719
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: talk to us about that process. Yeah, at the end

720
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: of that series, we ended up getting swelled. Every game

721
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: was closed, but they just pulled off at the end.

722
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: But after that first game, I felt like the series

723
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: just kind of it deflated the whole squad. And going

724
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: into the next season, of course, we got high hopes, like,

725
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: all right, we just got swept, we're pissed, We're gonna

726
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: run through the season again, and then we're gonna smash everybody.

727
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: And it didn't. It didn't work that way. It Uh,

728
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: it was just we started having injuries. There was like

729
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: contract turmoil, and then all of the stuff started happening,

730
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: and it's just it just kind of went downard. It didn't,

731
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: it went downward, and all of a sudden we woke up.

732
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: We woke the bulls up by beating the grass in

733
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: the second round, and like they was like, hell no,

734
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: we're about to take it back over. And then m

735
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: J worked the whole summer, came back, we get to

736
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the We won the first round pretty easily, but ended

737
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: up playing the Bulls in like the second round that

738
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: next year and they swept us. We checked and play,

739
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Nick didn't play, Horse didn't play. It was like I

740
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: was out there like by myself and they were just

741
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: freak licking their chops. And I didn't know Shack was leaving,

742
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: but I guess as the season was going on, he

743
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking, man, maybe this is it for me.

744
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to change change scenery. And we went

745
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: into from into that season into the Olympics, and uh,

746
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I saw all the articles, but I'm still not really

747
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: paying attention. I'm thinking we're gonna get through this. Seeing

748
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: the articles, the fans are saying Shot can't shoot free throws,

749
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: why should we resigned him. I'm looking at this ship, like,

750
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: hold up, what are we talking about? Man, Give this

751
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: man exactly what he wants. But I don't even think

752
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: he really wanted the contract. I think he wanted to

753
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: leave anyway. I think he really saw l A as

754
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: being an opportunity for movies, music and to you know,

755
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: be with Kobe and was like, I think I can

756
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: turn that situation around, and went from Rings over there

757
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: and when Shaq left. I knew the magnitude of that instantly.

758
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: I knew it was over. I knew it was we

759
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: were done before he left. I mean, talk to me

760
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: about you guys experienced a lot of success early on.

761
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: You guys were cool, friendship, good, teammates, good. Everything seemed

762
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: like it clicked from the outside looking in. How good

763
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: do you feel like you guys could have been If

764
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: you guys would have got your time together, five seven,

765
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: eight years together, I think we would have gotten at

766
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: least one. With the way the tempo was going to

767
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: the league, we would have added a couple more pieces,

768
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: but what we already had, with us getting better, having

769
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: more chemistry, I think we win at least one. Okay,

770
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: we can only speculate about what would have happened. I

771
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: think for sure that with one we would have had one.

772
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: And especially with these were getting better and better every

773
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: year and me getting better and better every year. So

774
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: you touched on it. Olympics dream team too, You guys

775
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: win a gold medal. Now you're playing with Shaq? He

776
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: is Is he gone by this point? Is he had

777
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: signed with the Lakers at this point, you know the

778
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: mess up situation? Yeah, he had? He had already signed.

779
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: When we were in the the press conference, even before

780
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: the Olympics started in Atlanta, they asked me, how does

781
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: it feel not to have Shack as a teammate, and

782
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: if anyone was there, I laughed it off, like, well,

783
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: if that's what's gonna happen, then that's what's gonna happen.

784
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: They're like, you don't know, he's already gone. Like I

785
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: did not know Shack had already signed. It was gone.

786
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I said, if that happens, then I wish him well.

787
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: But it had already happened. I didn't even know. That's crazy.

788
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit, or talk to us

789
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: a little bit about how Little Penny came about, because

790
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: to me to this day, he was still the coolest

791
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: little Batman and Robin sidekick cartoon I've ever seen for

792
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: an athlete. Super creative. You showed a shiploaded shoes, So

793
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: talk to us about Penny, the little Penny of the

794
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: character and having your own shoe. Yeah, that was a

795
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: little Penny was just a blessing man. I was just

796
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of a side of assassin. I was. I was

797
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: about my business out on the court. I didn't really

798
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: talk to yet. I didn't. I didn't really get it

799
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: in until you took me there, and then it it

800
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: was whatever. But Nike recognized and it was like, you

801
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: know what, we need to get a trash talking alter

802
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: ego for Penny and call him a little Penny. And

803
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: they flew a Penny would do all the all the

804
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: trash talking for Penny, and Penny will just go out

805
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: there and and take care of Venis. And when they

806
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: brought it to me, I instantly liked it. I was like, Yeah,

807
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: let's do it. I knew when they when they told

808
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: me that that it was going to be successful because

809
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: comedy along with you know, a basketball players that at

810
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the height of his career or growing to the height

811
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: of his career, I thought that it was gonna be successful,

812
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: and thank god it was. How dope is it? Twenty

813
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: five years later? Do you still have one of the

814
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: most relevant shoes in basketball? Man? I was a sneaker

815
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: head in college. You came to my dorm, if I

816
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: got any money from apparent uncle, whatever, it didn't matter.

817
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I was buying some seekers. I didn't even get food.

818
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: That's why I was so skinny. I was buying sneakers

819
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: before food, so to get to the league and to

820
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: have my own signature. Shoot, that I have a part

821
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: of building. I couldn't believe it. I really couldn't believe

822
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: that I have designed the logo and I have my

823
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: own signature. Shoot, I knew how how powerful that was.

824
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: And man, I'm to this day. I walked into my

825
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: room and see signature shoes and go, man, God has

826
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: God has been amazing. Now that following year, you're left

827
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: to carry the workload at years old, Uh, without shock,

828
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: you you experience your first bad knee injury. Talk to

829
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: us about where your mental mindset was, because, like I said,

830
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: there had been so us success leading up to that point,

831
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: Finals appearances, all NBA Olympic gold medals. Now you're kind

832
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: of starting over again at twenty five, and then you experience,

833
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, a really tough knee injury. Talk to us

834
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that was that was horrible. Man. I

835
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: obviously already was just kind of just down and out

836
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: about shack leaving. And you try to make the best

837
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: of it. You get the training camp and go, all right,

838
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: the big Fellers not coming back. Man, it's on your shoulders.

839
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: You can't lose team. You gotta keep this team going.

840
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Forward and hopefully we can get a free agent soon

841
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: to come in and at least help. Nobody was gonna

842
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: ever be able to do what Shack could have done.

843
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: But I get into the season, and I make it

844
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: through the season pretty decent, like I didn't really get

845
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: hurt little knickknacks. Get into the playoffs against the Detroit Pistons,

846
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: and Joe Dumars going for offensive rebounds to slammed into

847
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: the back of my knee. It was most excruciated. It

848
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: was the most excruciating pain I ever felt in my life.

849
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: But I kept playing. And back then if you miss games,

850
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: it was like, you can't miss games. We need you

851
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: on the court. So I played through it that season

852
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: and wants to season was over. Man, that summer I was.

853
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I kept feeling it, but I was like, it's not

854
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: really stopping me from playing. And man, as it got

855
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: further and further in the summer, almost close to training camp,

856
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if I did more damage to it

857
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: playing on in the summer. I told our team doctor, Man,

858
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: something just isn't right. And I went to the doctor

859
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: and I had a torminous because and I had to

860
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: have my first surgery and man, it just seemed like

861
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: from that point I just never felt right. Man. I

862
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: just I don't know what it was, but I just

863
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: could never regain or get back to that explosiveness and

864
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: that speed and that quickness that I had. It was

865
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: like I was just kind of pushing through, but it's

866
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: just never never really felt right. And that was that

867
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: was devastating for sure. I know they had to be

868
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: frustrated to bid your prime, being your prime dealer with

869
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: the injury. What what was your mentor like at that time?

870
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: You know what I was? I was I was really

871
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: messed up in the head because I was thinking, like,

872
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: if you don't get back, then then it's gonna I mean,

873
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: where do you go from here? And I was saying,

874
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I just gotta lock in, work my ass off and

875
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: get back get healthy. But I wasn't doing it right.

876
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: I didn't have somebody in my ear going okay, slow down.

877
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: First of all, let's slow down. You don't have to

878
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: have a rush, you know. Grant Hill set out for

879
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: two years after that. I don't know if Jack remembers this.

880
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: When I was playing for the Suns, I tore my

881
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: monis because against the Spurs and I played the whole

882
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: series and Timmy didn't play. Timmy set out. When I

883
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: look back on those days, and that's what was going

884
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: through my mind. Man, do you need to sit out

885
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: until your wealth or when you start feeling better? Do

886
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: you need to play? And that's when I was wrestling,

887
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: when the whole time, nobody told me, Man, sit down

888
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: into your I think I would get the eighty ninety

889
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I'm ready and I

890
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: go right back out there. I never really fully got

891
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: into a hunter, and that was that was the era

892
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I was from, and I just damaged myself more and

893
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: couldn't get over the hump. It's interesting to hear you

894
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: talk about that and say that because, like you said,

895
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: eighty two was it was a badger pride back then.

896
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: Like you, there was no days off, there's no work management,

897
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: load management. If you can walk, you can play, man.

898
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And you hear you hear

899
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: you see guys such as yourself, who who kind of

900
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: ran yourself to the ground because the competitive nature and

901
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: how you came up, wanted to get you back on

902
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: the court. You know, Grant Hill with Naggie injuries, Brandon

903
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: Roy coming back too soon from injuries. It's just our

904
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: competitive nature to want to get back out there on

905
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: the court, because this is before we had all the

906
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: technology and sports and they can monitor your body and

907
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: read your body and do all this kind of ship,

908
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: and it definitely would have changed the direct trajectory of

909
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: your career in my opinion. Obviously you're still to me

910
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: one of the greats, but you would have had more

911
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: years in your being Penny than you definitely did. Well.

912
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Let me say this two Penny Penny is I can

913
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: speak for this. He was one of them. He was.

914
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: He was different from a lot of these stars to

915
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: man like, Penny hooped in the summertime, like he played

916
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: in tournaments. He he had teams, he used to drive

917
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: down Louisiana and playing tournaments like he was a real hoopisode.

918
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: When you talk about stars and lets of the game,

919
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: you gotta put Pen in a differ category. He was.

920
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: He was the face of the league, but he was

921
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: regular because he's still hoop. He still hooped with us

922
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: in the summertime and all that type of stuff, So

923
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: he had a different category too. You know, I know

924
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate that because I took that seriously. Man, I

925
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: love the ball and balling was what I was really

926
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: felt like I was going to do. And I went

927
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: to d C, I went to Atlanta, I went to

928
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: Lake Charles were jacking him down there and everywhere. I

929
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: played ball everywhere. And it didn't matter, man, because I

930
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: see where guys don't play in the summer. I see

931
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: where guys are just kind of just drilling. I'm like, damn, man,

932
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: who Like, that's what we did, you know? We whoop

933
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: And that's what I love doing, though, man, And that's

934
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: what we didn't getting nothing out of it. Penny wouldn't

935
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: getting nine, you were sponsoring teams, you weren't getting nothing

936
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: out of it. Just to win the championship and the

937
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: hoop with your boys in the summer. That's it, man,

938
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: And that's what the love was. Man. I was just

939
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: one of the dudes that had always hoop and I

940
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna stop just because I had some starter in

941
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: the league. Like I was bigger than anybody else. I

942
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: wanted to keep that going in the summer. This is

943
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: post lockout post Michael Jordan's um post shack. You guys

944
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: face a young Alan Iverson in the first round, they

945
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: beat you, guys, what was it like seeing him in

946
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: that next wave of young players on the way many

947
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: I was different because this dude was six ft but

948
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: he had like seven ft arms and you you he

949
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: had that. He had that ball on the string, and

950
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: he could make tough, make him take tough shots. I

951
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: know he he just he was athletic enough, he was

952
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: fast enough, he was tough enough, and he was a

953
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: tough shot take a tough shot maker. And his attitude

954
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: was on a million like he had that little man

955
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: complex so hard, like you can't tell me nothing, you

956
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: ain't about to stop me. I don't care who you

957
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: put in front of me. And watching that live while

958
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: I was kind of going through my thing, it was like,

959
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: oh this, hey, I coming, he come in and he

960
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: coming here to stay for a while. That motherfucker came

961
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: for sure. Traded to Phoenix and get a chance to

962
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: play with Ja Kid. Tell me what your thought process

963
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: is leaving Orlando going to a dope city such as

964
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Jason Kidd, one of another one of the

965
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: top Usherlan point guards along with yourself, What was it

966
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: like being out there getting a chance to run with

967
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: Jay Kid. Well, I feel like at the point of

968
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: where I was with Orlando that it had ran his course.

969
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish he would have been different, but

970
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: it had ran his course. Dr Rivers came in and

971
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: he was a coach. He was talking about having to

972
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: rebuild my entire career, rebuild my name around the city.

973
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here going, damn, I gave all these blood,

974
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 1: sweating tears, played injury, and I gotta kinda go back

975
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: and build my brand all over again in Orlando. And

976
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, J Kidd did a

977
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: hell of a job, you know, calling me and saying, hey, man,

978
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: let's do it. And I was like, man to me,

979
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: J Kid, one of the greatest ever played the game.

980
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: We can go. We can go get some stuff done

981
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: out here in Phoenix. And I decided to go to

982
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Phoenix and the two thousand playoffs, your signs mashed up

983
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers against Kobe and Shock. What was that? Like? Weird?

984
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: At hell? That was weird. That was weird because I'm

985
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: playing against Shock in the playoff series. I never thought

986
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: that would have happened, you know, when I first went

987
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: into the league, and I'm with the Sons, and of

988
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: course that's their championship. Years um, they had a lot

989
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: of hiccups, uh in some games where they should have

990
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: lost and then Kobe comes through with a shot. I

991
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: mean we had them in game three in l A

992
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: or game four and he makes a shot over Ja

993
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: Kidd to uh to win that game. We had to.

994
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: We we led that game the whole game. And obviously

995
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: you know the Portland Trail Bases situation where they were

996
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: just smashing them and then they make the up, they

997
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: make the run and sack the lot of the run.

998
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: So I mean, to play against them, you can just

999
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: tell that they had the effect. You could just tell

1000
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: they were locked and load of to every area with

1001
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: role players, with stars, and we took them the six games,

1002
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't enough. But J Kid and I

1003
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: were like, hey man, well we'll get back there next year.

1004
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: But you could just see the Lakers. The Lakers were coming.

1005
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: You just saw it early on. Yeah, So a combination

1006
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: of injuries and early playoffs. X. Since you're off to

1007
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: New York and oh four, what's your thought process as

1008
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: far as knowing you and what you're capable of bringing

1009
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: and what you felt like you can go to the

1010
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: Knicks and accomplish. I think that was probably the most

1011
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: disappointing time to be in the city, on the biggest

1012
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: stage in the Big Apple and not be me. I'm

1013
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: out here like a seller myself on the biggest stage,

1014
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, why, I just wish that I

1015
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: could just get to a point where I could be me.

1016
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: And I just pushed through it. But I knew I

1017
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: wasn't me, man, And I love New York. I felt

1018
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: like the fans deserved me at the highest level because

1019
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: you know how New York is, and playing for the

1020
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Knicks was a huge honor. I didn't take that lightly.

1021
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: But I was also going home and like going, Man,

1022
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: I just hate I'm not me, I'm not myself. What

1023
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: did you do? What did you do to come back that?

1024
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You can keep trying, you

1025
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: can keep pushing, but mentally, what did you Because that's

1026
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: what I like to have other people understand. There's so

1027
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: much fucking mental that comes along with this process. What

1028
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: did you do to to fight your way out of

1029
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: that or deal with that, or or handle that situation

1030
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: during that time? You know what I said to myself,

1031
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: I said, man, you're here, Let's make the best of it.

1032
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Work your ass off, Give it all you got, don't

1033
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: need nothing in the tank and lit it and then

1034
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: you could you could go to sleep at night, you know,

1035
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: And and that's what I did. Man, it does funk

1036
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: with you mentally because it's just you. I mean, the garden,

1037
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: the mystique of the garden. You got Spike Leo on

1038
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: the sideline, You got all these stars and they want

1039
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: to win so badly, and we weren't winning. And I

1040
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: was a part of that negative tradition of the Knicks

1041
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: haven't won in a while. And it just that bothered

1042
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: me too, because I felt like those fans, out of

1043
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: all the fans in the NBA, deserved to win. The

1044
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: loyal Did you have any clue what was going on

1045
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: with Marbury behind the scenes while he was there? I didn't.

1046
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph was. He and I hit it off

1047
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: really well when he came to the it came to

1048
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: the Suns from the net, and when he went back

1049
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: to New York, I felt like it was a chance

1050
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: of a lifetime for him because he was in his prime.

1051
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: He could still do it. He could still do it, So,

1052
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't want to go back home in

1053
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: the prime of their years? Even though he was playing

1054
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: for the Nets over New Jersey. It's different playing in

1055
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: the garden. So I felt like he was on cloud

1056
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: nine going back, like I'm about to put on for

1057
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: the city, and I just wanted to help support that

1058
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: while he was there back home. So you inju your

1059
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: career in two thousand seven mentally, Like I said, I

1060
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: really like to know the mental approach. Where were you at? Well?

1061
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: Did you say it was time? Did they say it

1062
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: was time? What were your thoughts heading to Miami. I

1063
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: think that my my thought process was I had gotten

1064
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: myself in a really good shape. Let's let's let's produce.

1065
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: Let's be consistent, and let's produce with the heat. I

1066
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: didn't know I was gonna start when I first went there.

1067
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was gonna happen. I was just

1068
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: ready to take on whatever challenge they gave me and

1069
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: appreciate the opportunity and man, just go all out. I mean,

1070
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: I had definitely fallen from grace. I wasn't the same player,

1071
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: but I felt like I could still contribute. So I

1072
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: wanted contribute to help shock being reunited with Shack, and

1073
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: then it helped the way because the way it was

1074
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: that dude and it was weird, man, because it was

1075
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: like I had gotten to the point where it had

1076
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: faded so badly that the respect wasn't really there anymore.

1077
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: It was like, that's Penny Hardaway, but that's really not

1078
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway. So it started to become the beginning of

1079
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: the end. And I knew my time was number even

1080
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: though we were when the way got hurt and then

1081
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: Shot got traded for Shawn Mary, and I knew that

1082
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: it was over for me. I knew Pat Rally was

1083
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: going to rebuild and try to get hiring the draft

1084
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: because you had Mike Beasley, Yead, Derek Rose and those guys.

1085
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: So right before Christmas, Pat called me was like we're

1086
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna go, young man, We're gonna rebuild. And I was like, okay,

1087
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: thanks for the opportunity, and I knew there was the

1088
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: end right there. That was that was That was a

1089
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: tough day because I really wanted to end on my

1090
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: terms and I didn't end on my terms. Two thousand

1091
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: and seven. You retire that year, yep, I really. I

1092
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: didn't officially say I'm retired, but yeah, pretty much too.

1093
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: South and Step. It was the retirement touton. So initially,

1094
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of people don't get you know.

1095
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: I think you you fall into a category because a

1096
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: lot of guys maybe not obviously not with your talent,

1097
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: but then not ending the way you planned it or

1098
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: the way you dreamed or the way it was supposed

1099
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: to end. How hard was that process post career? Uh,

1100
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: from a day to day standpoint, it was very hard

1101
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: to accept because the guys that were that were commentating,

1102
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: the guys that were kind of the guys that have

1103
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to talk about guys like myself, they wasn't giving me

1104
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: my just too when I was that guy. They were

1105
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: basically saying that I was basically who I was at

1106
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: that point my whole career. And I noticed, that's way different.

1107
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: You gotta still show me my love and my first

1108
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: seven years of my career. Come on, man, don't forget

1109
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: about those those years. And it almost made me feel

1110
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: like leaving the game that they weren't gonna wreck guys

1111
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: that in my prime, that I was one of the

1112
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: better players that have ever played the game. And then

1113
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I got injured, so that part of it was tough

1114
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: to handle. And I was just hoping that one day

1115
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: that I would get my dude, And now guys are

1116
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: definitely saying it more like, oh, you know Penny was

1117
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: was that guy versus now he didn't belong in the

1118
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: category with this person or that person. So I don't

1119
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: appreciate that more. You belong to every category. Like I said,

1120
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: Jack and I before this show, when we found out

1121
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: we was gonna get you, I'm like, hell yeah, because,

1122
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: like I said, I just think there's a lack of

1123
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: appreciation for what came before us. And barring injury, the

1124
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: pace you were on, the level you played at people,

1125
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: you were making all NBA with m J, battling MJ,

1126
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: being MJ, holding your own, you know. So we definitely

1127
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: want to, you know, take our hats off to you

1128
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: because you're someone that we looked up to for sure, man,

1129
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: and you definitely did your thing. And I'm glad it's

1130
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: starting to come around because I think too often people

1131
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: forget and you know it, it was so long, it

1132
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: was pre social media, it was pre a lot of things.

1133
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: So sometimes talented people such as yourself that didn't in

1134
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: the right way the beginning gets you know, looked over.

1135
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: But we definitely don't want to have that happen here, man,

1136
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: So we wanted to give you definitely a shoutou from

1137
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: that standpoint because you were a motherfucking killer bro straight up.

1138
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it means more than me coming from

1139
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: you guys than somebody that don't know the game, because

1140
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys were balls. You guys understand the game and

1141
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: we all have a mutual respect. But I know you

1142
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: guys ain't gonna give credit where credit is and doue

1143
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: y'all are as where as they come. So to hear

1144
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: that from you guys, I definitely appreciate that for sure. No,

1145
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Man. So post career two thousand eleven,

1146
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: you touched on it a little bit. A childhood friend,

1147
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Desmond Merryweather, convinced you to come back and help him

1148
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: walk us through that process because to me, it's it's

1149
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: very heartfelt process. But you experienced success right away coaching.

1150
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Talk to us about both of those, you know what.

1151
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: So what was so crazy is that we had like

1152
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: an alumni game my middle school to my high school.

1153
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: If you played at the middle school high school, played

1154
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: the game. After that game was over, Desly came up

1155
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: to me and was like, man, I'm really not feeling well.

1156
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: I go to the keemos I don't want to sit

1157
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: on the bench. It's kind of tough. If you can

1158
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: just come help me with my team, just until I

1159
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: can kind of start to feel better. And obviously I did.

1160
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm not doing anything, I'll come.

1161
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: When I went into the building and saw the team,

1162
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: the team was like a championship team already, and all

1163
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: I needed to do was just add a little structure,

1164
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: some discipline, and a lot of love to some hood kids.

1165
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: And DA's was already giving him love. But he was sick.

1166
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: So I got in there and man, this dude is

1167
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: fighting and battling. Man how to take a time out

1168
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: to go throw up out to coming from Keybold and

1169
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: come back to the bench. And I was like, man,

1170
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta help this situation. And

1171
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: that one year or that one week or that two

1172
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: week turned into three years of being the middle school coach,

1173
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: uh and Desmond is just fighting and still battling through.

1174
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: The kids didn't know the magnitude of what was going

1175
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: on with this man until the third year. He wouldn't

1176
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: tell him. He wouldn't tell them that he was sick.

1177
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: He wouldn't tell him the magnitude of what was going on.

1178
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: And man, that whole experience really taught me a lot

1179
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: about me, taught me a lot about love, taught me

1180
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: a lot about situation circumstances. And I never thought would

1181
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: have been a middle school coach, But we took this

1182
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: group of kids who were in gangs, who were street cats,

1183
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: who were not really thinking about school, not even really

1184
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: thinking about going to college, maybe a couple of them,

1185
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: to having a whole bunch. I feel like, we're all

1186
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: going to college. We all want to be something better

1187
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: than what we wanted to be before you got here. Uh.

1188
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: And you and Desmond are the great role models. Y'all

1189
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: make us want to be better. And that alone made

1190
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: me feel really good because I knew that we had

1191
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: changed the culture in our neighborhood from thinking about being

1192
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: in the streets to one day being on Wall Street.

1193
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: That's my mentality to those kids, and that's what I

1194
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. And they did it, they believe,

1195
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: and all of those kids, with the exception of two,

1196
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: all went to college. I those three teams, and that

1197
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: is a success versus what would have happened if we

1198
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have come back and cared about them doing that. Uh.

1199
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: That catapulted to AU. So we want to start AU

1200
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: program so that these kids could get national exposure. We

1201
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: knew that they could play, but we wanted the coaches

1202
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: in the country to see them play and for them

1203
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: to get rankings and get their names out there. And

1204
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: we built a great program and then that went on

1205
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: to high school and then from high school. Now I'm here, man.

1206
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: But the whole entire situation of coming back home and

1207
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: getting back into my neighborhood, not just any neighborhood, but

1208
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: my neighborhood was man so gratifying because most guys ain't

1209
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: going back to the hood. Jack he can understan you know,

1210
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: you know he in the hood. He touched his kids

1211
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: lives and talked to him and mentored all the time.

1212
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: To be back there everything. It means everything. So for

1213
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: me to physically be there every day for them, uh,

1214
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: they really appreciated that, man, And it's been it's been

1215
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: a great ride. Well I can imagine, I can I

1216
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: can imagine if I had a coach or even an

1217
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: NBA player, let alone Penny Hardaway coming back to him,

1218
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: coming back to us, giving us the knowledge, spending his

1219
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: time like we I know my outlook and and and

1220
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: my my dreams will making to the NBA would have

1221
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: been more touchable if I would have baby to experience

1222
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: that as a as a as a on kid. You

1223
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It worked out for me, but

1224
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I didn't believe it. Other people believe more in me

1225
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: than I did myself. But if I had actually had

1226
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: the NBA pairer come down and talk to me, give

1227
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: me pointers in high school, man, that would have done

1228
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: wonders for me. So you what you're doing for them kids, Man,

1229
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: that's priceless. Bro. You know I appreciate him. I'll take that.

1230
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: I'll take that at the heart to man because coming

1231
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: back home. Man, your city needs you, Bro, your city

1232
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: needs you. I mean giving money. I've given money since

1233
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: ninety three, but to actually be there physically, to touch,

1234
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: to talk, to be a father's figure, to be a mentor,

1235
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: to be a coach, to be a counselor just to listen.

1236
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: I have to make deals with these kids to say, hey, man,

1237
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: if you could just not get angry, then then too

1238
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: with the teachers, and I got you in this area

1239
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: and then and then if you're gonna get angry, makes

1240
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: you just ask to teach you to give you five

1241
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: minutes and I'll go to the teacher and go, Okay,

1242
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: he's having problems at home. He has eleven siblings. It's

1243
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: eight different fathers. Four the fathers might be doing for

1244
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: his siblings and nobody's doing for him, and he's mad

1245
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: and jealous of his siblings. He might come in mad

1246
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: because he hadn't eaten and he was hungry, and he

1247
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: was mad. Then nothing was happening for him. So I'm

1248
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: doing deals in the schools. But I started feeding them

1249
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: in the morning, feeding them out of school, feeding them

1250
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: at night to make sure that they got good square meals.

1251
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: And these kids were just they were all over the place.

1252
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: So I had to start making deals with them to

1253
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: get them locked in, and they started understanding what I

1254
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: was saying. Man. So the beauty of all the inside

1255
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: part of it was it's definitely it's been worth it.

1256
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. And obviously you explained how much

1257
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, effort you put in, and I'm sure how

1258
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: much they appreciate it. Tell are like, what did that

1259
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: mean to you though? Because like I said, I get

1260
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: a chance to coach my kids and there's nothing like it.

1261
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it's it's amazing. It's just exciting for me

1262
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: as when I played, being able to coach my kids

1263
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and see them succeed at something they love and appreciate

1264
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: and get better. What did all everything you did and

1265
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: everything you're doing for kids, What does that do for

1266
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: you as a man. It's to me, it's just showing

1267
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: that I made my grandmother proud because she told me,

1268
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: if you ever make it, don't never forget what come from.

1269
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: That's that's that's saying with me forever. So for me,

1270
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't walk around with a badge. I just know, man,

1271
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I did something to help my city and my neighborhood,

1272
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 1: and I did something to help motivate them. It wasn't

1273
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: with the money. It was me in the hood. Every

1274
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: day I'm driving Bentley's in the hood, I'm driving Rovers

1275
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: in the hood and they're seeing this and touching this

1276
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: and dreaming through that. I'm just saying, I'm driving by

1277
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: the apartment that I lived in. I lived in like

1278
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: six different sections of apartments in the whole neighborhood, and

1279
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: me and my mom we were like all over the place.

1280
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: But I'm driving by these same places that I grew

1281
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: up in bro In Bentley's and Ranges and going to

1282
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: these kids to say, hey, man, I used to live there.

1283
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I used to live there, and look where now. So

1284
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: for me, it's just man, I thank god they have

1285
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to even come back because by my career

1286
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: being cut short, I was actually able to do this

1287
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: talk to us to the bit. I mean, it's it's

1288
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: you've touched on a little bit, but it's full circle.

1289
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: You're literally back where you started at coaching at Memphis.

1290
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: How did that come about? Well, obviously the team was

1291
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: to have a success. We had just gotten a legendary coach,

1292
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: coach Tubby Smith. Fans were getting a little restless because

1293
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: we had had a few years of a down season,

1294
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: and this is a basketball city. They don't really want

1295
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: the Tigers to be down. The Grizzies can be down

1296
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, but the Tigers, the Tigers can't be down.

1297
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: It's just that's the Cities team. And and and and

1298
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: I guess at the time where the group that I had,

1299
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: I had a group of kids that I started within

1300
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: sixth grade. That group was actually all seniors at the time,

1301
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 1: and it was actually the time that I was really

1302
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I

1303
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: told desmid that I was gonna stay with that group

1304
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: of kids until they graduated. And the time that the

1305
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: job opened up for the University Memphis at the same

1306
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: time as it was for the kids who were seniors

1307
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: to graduate. So the time and on that couldn't have

1308
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: been more perfect for me. Beautiful, talk to us. You

1309
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: touched on a little bit. Twenty five years later. You

1310
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: guys just said you just released a shoe one cent.

1311
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Talk Talk to us about where's that right now and

1312
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: how you feel to know twenty five years later you

1313
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: still have one of the dope at shoes. Well, no, man,

1314
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I owe not you a lot because they hung in

1315
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: there with me. They stuck with me. They kept building

1316
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: my brand with my shoes. I actually have had a

1317
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: different shoe drop, a purple shoes drop every year over

1318
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: the last ten years, twelve years. They're droppings of the shoes,

1319
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: even if it's new shoes or if they're remaking the

1320
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: phones in different colors. Man, that's that's love. That's love

1321
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: right there. Man, to still be relevant when kids that

1322
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: are in today's age didn't even know who it was.

1323
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: Of course, they have YouTube and they can go on there,

1324
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: but to have shoes still being dropped to this day. Man,

1325
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: that's that is love. You know you got a dope

1326
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: shoe when you could wear on and off the court.

1327
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: You mean, them phones go with anything. So that's when

1328
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: you know you got a dope ass shoe. You could

1329
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: go straight from basketball practice, go home and shower hopefully

1330
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: to the club and their motherfucker to still be doing

1331
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: your things. And you know what's so funny is that

1332
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: I told Nike, they said, what do you want? What

1333
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: do you want out of a shoe? I said, Man,

1334
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be like Jay's because Jay's you

1335
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: can wear them on the court and off the court.

1336
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: My shoes to be one on the court and off

1337
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: the court. And that's what happened. Man, we built the shoe.

1338
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: I wanted that. I did want that. That's what's up.

1339
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: So we're gonna dump Ton said. Compare ns A basketball

1340
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: to the early nineties. This NCA basketball compared to the

1341
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: early nineties, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a difference

1342
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: because guys stayed in school four years. Like Matt said,

1343
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: he stayed in school four years. It was rare for

1344
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: guys to come out early at all. Back in the

1345
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: early nineties and guys were staying longer, so it was

1346
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: a better Um, it was a better game. It wasn't

1347
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: it was a veteran. It was kind of like it said,

1348
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: a veteran, a veterans league of college players because everybody

1349
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: had got a chance to play together two or three years,

1350
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: So the teams were better. Now now you're getting guys

1351
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: to come in for one and done and they've been

1352
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: taught to just be about themselves and really not even

1353
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: be about the school. Most guys go to school to

1354
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: be go to school to be one and done. They

1355
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: just want to get numbers and then get to that draft.

1356
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 1: So the basketball is kind of watered down a little

1357
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: bit more now because the substances gone. Guys aren't staying

1358
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: two or three years. And I get it, you gotta

1359
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: go get that money. But there's a ton of talented players.

1360
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: But the nineties was just was better because the guys

1361
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: stayed in school longer. Even though you're still getting good

1362
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: basketball now, it was just better basketball back then. What

1363
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: do you, obviously, as a head coach now in the

1364
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: Major D one program, how do you approach those one

1365
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: and dunes? Because I know U c. L A Was

1366
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: stuck a long time when we don't want one and

1367
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: dunes and you see they've been in the motherfucking toilet

1368
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: for years. How do you how do you approach as

1369
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: a head coach? Okay, well, if I'm gonna get this

1370
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: hell of a talent for a year, how do I

1371
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: make him buy into what we're trying to do and

1372
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna help propel him to a lot of repick? Well,

1373
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: I think you know, because I played in the league,

1374
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: I kind of identified with the one and done better

1375
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: than most coaches because we were then. We were the

1376
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: guys that had the game that we're gonna go to

1377
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: the draft, that we're gonna be, that we're gonna be selected.

1378
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: So I gonna get that guy and say, hey man,

1379
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: let me develop you, let me teach you, let me

1380
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: pour into you what I know. I don't care about

1381
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: you being a one and done because I know that

1382
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: you're special talent. You can't help me win. I can't

1383
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: get a group of guys around you and we can

1384
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: go get this thing done. And that's what that's the

1385
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: way I approach you, Like I don't need you to

1386
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: be in school three or four years. And in today's league,

1387
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: the older you are, the more you're not gonna get drafted.

1388
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: So my job if you're if you're that type of dude,

1389
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: I need to get you out of here in one

1390
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: year anyway. And that's what I tell those kids, that's

1391
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: what's up. Who better to teach them? If there was

1392
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: one plan that you could play with in your career

1393
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: that you didn't play with, who would it be back

1394
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: in the day, back in the day or just anybody? Anybody? Man,

1395
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. I'm a fan of. Probably probably

1396
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: because of probably because of my mental Yeah, I would

1397
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: have loved to play with with with Magic Lebron because

1398
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: those are big guards. I would have loved to play

1399
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: with those guys in their prime. It was me and

1400
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: my prime. I mean I thought that that'll be sick

1401
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: y'all followed the same category, all the same category. Man.

1402
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: Imagine that that ship who was who was in a

1403
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: poison point guard that you every time he played on

1404
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: him like it was time to go. You had to

1405
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: get on top of it, like you have to get

1406
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: the roll. We just had that dude right there, hey

1407
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: g P. As they came dog that dude he did.

1408
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: I never saw him take one game off I never

1409
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: He always was on a million when it came to

1410
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: getting at you. So when you played him and you

1411
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: had to bring it, Bro, he he was gonna respect you.

1412
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: He was gonna dog you if you didn't bring it. Yeah,

1413
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: I know he didn't take a light on nobody know

1414
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: Which teams did you enjoy playing. I enjoyed playing the

1415
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: Bulls because they were like, they were great. That was

1416
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: one game I look fortunate every time with m J. Scotty,

1417
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: that whole little era with that those Bulls teams, because

1418
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: you knew that if you beat them that you had

1419
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: done something major. Like there was one team that I

1420
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: look forward to playing it every single time. Who were

1421
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: some of the younger players in today's game that that

1422
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: that caught your I obviously Zion, y'all everybody say joy

1423
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: what y'all didn't do? Man, I gotta I gotta close

1424
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: look at you. Being here in Memphis and I went

1425
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: to some games and I saw how he played. I

1426
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: was like, this dude got it. He got the infected bro. Yeah,

1427
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: he knew he got it. I watched it in person

1428
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: too many times and I was being very critical to

1429
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: see I want to see what this. I knew he

1430
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: could play. But man, he got he got it. He

1431
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: definitely got it. I'm trying to think who was young

1432
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: players Jason Tatum, Yeah, yeah, Jason. I've been watching him

1433
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: since eighth grade, been competing against him, and I knew

1434
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: that he would be who he was. But proud to

1435
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: see him there. I don't know why I'm going blank, man,

1436
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: because I'm a huge fan of a lot of guys

1437
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: in the league, but both got to jump out. Those

1438
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: guys shomped out, like right away. Is there anybody that

1439
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: you have seen since you've come and going in the

1440
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: NBA um that resembles your game at all? You think?

1441
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: I think in transition, maybe maybe Ben Simmons and transition,

1442
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: how you pushed the tempo. I'm talking about how he

1443
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: pushed the tempo. I don't know. I ain't say about

1444
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: everything else, but to me, it's a it's a big

1445
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: guard and I love Ben, I mean, but how he

1446
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: pushed the tempo I think. I don't I don't know

1447
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: anymore big guards that are just really just pushing the

1448
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: temple that it's beautiful. I love Ben Simmons too. I

1449
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: don't give a fun what no one says about his shooting.

1450
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Once if if he can figure that out, I think

1451
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a real problem because everything for as

1452
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: big as he is, his vision, his handle, his his

1453
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: ability to get to the basket. I don't give him

1454
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: this unmatched. His finesse side is a lot like pennies. Yeah,

1455
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: what I meant, That's basically what I meant when it

1456
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: came to there. But that's where it stopped. Okay, okay.

1457
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: I know you listened to hip hop. I know you're

1458
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: a big time music guy. Your name been name dropped

1459
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of songs, favorite songs. Have you've been

1460
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: named dropped in? Man ship? Well, you know the home

1461
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: of Yo Gotti. He didn't, he didn't drop my name.

1462
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: That's what I got. I gotta drop Yo Gotti. But uh,

1463
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: that would be that would be the top, because you know,

1464
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: we was going to raise in the same hood and

1465
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of made it out of the mud. So I

1466
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: gotta go with I gotta go. I gotta go with

1467
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Yo Gotti. Though if I know your got is from

1468
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: the same hood, I ain't know that. Yeah, yeah, dope, dope. Hey,

1469
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: back when you were playing who were you listening to

1470
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: to get ready for games? I was listening to Jay

1471
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, Jay and Jay and Biggie and you know

1472
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: them guys. Was the was them dudes back then though,

1473
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: like still all still those those cats. And then of

1474
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: course you know you were listening with West Coast it

1475
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: was it was Pocket Snoop, and then East Coast it

1476
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Speaker 1: was it was Jam, Big and Nasar. Those were the cats.

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Speaker 1: Um I love it. Oh man, wow, man, your top five,

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: you're top five. I think I think Jay, yeah, Big

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: Paul and everybody top five yea. And then I'm giving oslove.

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm giving and and I ain't mad at Snoop

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01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: bro Hell yeah. Longevity at exactly it means a lot,

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01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: it does. I know some cat came to me it

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01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: was like, what about l L He had more longevity

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: than anybody when it comes to l made it respect

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: us there but and I'm not saying that he's not,

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01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: but in my top five, that's that's that's it. That's solid. Now,

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: seeing that you're coaching, you gotta kind of stay hip

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01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: to ship because you you know, you're around a bunch

1489
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: of teenagers who's artists or songs on repeat for you

1490
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: right now. J Yeah, Drake really is on him and

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: him a little baby right now. Two artists that are

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: really on fire right now. Definitely on fire. Okay, Um,

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Speaker 1: we always asked this questions, so I guess and once

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: we asked this question, just before you answer, when you

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: answer the question, if you have any plugs on your answer,

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: then we have to use them. Okay, we need it,

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01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: We have to. Okay, who do you think should be

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: a guest on our show on All the Smoke? Man?

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01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: You guys have had so many people our first year, Babe,

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01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: we just gets you started, y'all rolling. Um, let's see.

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01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: I think that if I was watching the show, it

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be an athlete, it would be somebody else, because

1503
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: like somebody on the level of of a Jay Z

1504
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: or Will Smith. Yes, yes, yeah like that, Yes, yeah,

1505
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: I think that your fans and plus me, I'm a fan.

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: I would love to see that and see you guys

1507
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of ask them questions on how they feel the

1508
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: out sports. You know what they did? You know, I

1509
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: think don't get either one of those guys on there,

1510
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: that's amazing if you got if you gotta plug on

1511
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: either sentence, who is in your eyes the most underrated player,

1512
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: uh in the game right now? Most underrated player? I

1513
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: think Drew Holiday. Everybody, everybody, everybody says Drew Holiday. That's insane.

1514
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: The reason why I say that is because I watched

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01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: a lot of film on him. I know Patrick Beverley

1516
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: is known as that dog, but he does what Patrick

1517
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: Beverley does, which is a huge compliment. Quieter, quietly, quiet

1518
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: he gets it and he's hard to guard. Dog, He's

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: hard to guard. I got another question. I want to

1520
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: pick it back that who in your time was one

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: of the most underrated players that people are like, oh,

1522
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: but you're like, no, that motherfuck go Let's see who

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: is Who's the most underrated player back then? Man, it's

1524
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: so many guys. Man, I'm trying to think guys that

1525
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: you were saying he was just okay, but he was

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: really nice. I don't even think people knew how nice

1527
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: Nick Van Next, it was even though he was an

1528
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: all star, Tricky Nikki was. They don't even mention him

1529
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: when he comes to the top guards, but Tricky Nikki

1530
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: was killer him in college. Hey, that dude right there, man,

1531
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,480
Speaker 1: he was serious. Yeah, it was. We all don't quarantine

1532
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: right now. Um, besides working out what are you binge watching?

1533
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: May you know what? For a minute, I watched Tiger

1534
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: King Old everything, All Americans Everything. I watched everything on

1535
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: Netflix that you can watch, Bro. I didn't watched the

1536
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: documentary about the basketball players and Saying Quentiny that Katie produced.

1537
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm watched everything. I've watched everything on Netflix, Bro, I

1538
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: watched it all. Yeah, every Yeah. What's your what's your

1539
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: what's your favorite quarantine snack while you're binge watching? Man?

1540
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: What's my favorite snack? Probably I'm probably on the Pringles Bro,

1541
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm a Pringles dude. Flavor Flavor barbecues fired him by

1542
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: the sour cream and chides was fired too? Favorite? Uh?

1543
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: Favorite retro sneaker, not including your own? Probably the Force one, Man.

1544
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: I really like the Forced I'm a Force guy. I

1545
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: like them retro forces. Man. Yeah. Yeah, Well we've come

1546
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: to Jack's favorite segment. Like he said, he's been missing

1547
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: out for a while. But I'm involved in this begging

1548
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: segment too, So Jack, go ahead and beg for the

1549
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: both of us. My brother, Well, this is my boy

1550
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: a long time. I never asked him for nothing, but

1551
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 1: I have to ask, either, is it possible that you

1552
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: can make this happen for me? I needed either paras

1553
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: signed shoes or signed jersey either or I needed for

1554
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: the carib I gotta have you up in the crib. Man.

1555
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: You got both, bro both, y'all got both. I got that.

1556
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: That's man. I appreciate that. I say that, but I

1557
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: need it for the carib I appreciate. Yeah, that's easy, man,

1558
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: come on, Bro's easy. We appreciate that. Man. Hey, man, Well,

1559
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Thank you for joining us today.

1560
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: Good luck once we get commencing and get back on

1561
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: the court to your upcoming seies. Like Jack said, me

1562
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: and Jack gonna come through. I got a couple of

1563
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: friends out in memph Is still I need to come visit,

1564
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: so we're gonna come check a game out and uh

1565
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: root for y'all. Man, But thank you for your time today. Now.

1566
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all so much. May number little, May anything

1567
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: y'all need for me, y'all got it and appreciate. And

1568
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: just know if you got any questions on any guys,

1569
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: you know I'm working at the AI game. You know

1570
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: I got your players, So just let me know if

1571
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: you need me to do anything for you. Got it,

1572
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: got you now, appreciate you all. That might be a

1573
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: violation anyway, that's a wrap special court Quarantine edition UH

1574
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 1: with one of my favorite players, Jack's favorite player, Penny Hardaway.

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01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. You can catch this on Showtime Basketball,

1576
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: YouTube and all platforms, streaming podcasts, all of them. See

1577
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: you'all next week. It's something about how this place forms

1578
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: a different kind of person. On my high school team,

1579
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: we have five guys make the NBA. We had the

1580
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: County rock at you mentioned French Shorty's County. People know

1581
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: what it's about. It's the meta of basketball. There are

1582
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: those who come before us, upon whose shoulders we stand

1583
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: here for this area. You have to have tough skin.

1584
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: The gym became the thank you eg County guys provide

1585
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: buckets for America. Prince Georgian packs a lot of power,

1586
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: a lot of character. It's nothing that you can do

1587
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: to stop that competitive and we're pushing the community and

1588
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: a culture full. There's this in the water. H This

1589
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving, not yet.

1590
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: I was hoping you'll say that we gotta hit the streets,

1591
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: make some money. Paple like us, Let's destroy people like him.

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Speaker 1: Back up. Get Showtime free at showtime dot com.