1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez was talking on a show about bud Selig 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: and said, all this stuff you're talking about was under 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: bud Selig's watch, and he was referring to the ped 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: era and some guys getting in and Bond and Clemens's conversation. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Of course, a Rod's part of that conversation. He said, 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: quote the fact that those two guys are not in, 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: but somehow bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame, 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: That to me feels like there's a little bit some 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: hypocrisy around that your thoughts. 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: I can see where a road's coming from there, And 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: certainly bud Selig was the commissioner at a time when 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: all this was going on. Now you can make the 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: case that this is more on the players, that while 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: there weren't penalties in place, it certainly was frowned upon 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: and it was illegal by the laws of the United 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: States in some ways. But you can also argue, if 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: you're bud Selig, well I wanted to do things and 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: the Union wouldn't let me. Question then becomes, okay, do 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: you really see him as a Hall of Famer? Now 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: that goes to the question also, and I'm kind of 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: circling around here, But I'll get to the point of 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: what is a Hall of Famer. It's someone who has 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: a major impact on the sport, to be sure, and 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: Bud celeg definitely did that one way or the other, 25 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: however you want to look at it. But I understand 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: where Alex is coming from there, because, hey, you're seeing 27 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: players who played in that ear when it was kind 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: of the wild West and when there wasn't much enforcement 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: from Major League Baseball and they're getting penalized where the 30 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: guy who was running the sport did not. So it's 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: a very complicated question. I don't know that I entirely 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: agree with a Rod because I can see why Bud 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: Selig is in the Hall of Fame. But at the 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: same time, hey, there's some responsibility there, and I don't 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: know that Bud Selig has ever taken full responsibility for that, 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: or the responsibility you would want him to take. Basically, 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: he's kind of said, the Union would let me do 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: stuff and we didn't know all these things. Hey, other 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: people or taking the hit for that. Players are taking 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: the hit for that, And I don't know that the 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: commissioner should be out of the Hall of Fame for 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: it or should not have been inducted into the Hall 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: of Fame for it, but I would have liked to 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: have seen more accountability. 45 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: Put it that way. Yeah, yeah, a precedent said, I 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: know it's not a player, it's a commissioner. But yeah, 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: he was the guy in charge during that era. So 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: good conversation. We'll keep it going with the guys right now. Ken, 49 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: thank you. Safe travels to our backyard Orlando, and expect 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: a big bear hug from AJ with drinking hand on Monday. 51 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not happening. 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Later that's Ken Rosenthal. Winter Meetings coverage for FT is 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: coming up on Monday, and also Fair Territory. I encourage 54 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: you to check out yesterday's episode. I'm biased. I was 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: on it hosting with Ken. It's mostly Ken, but he 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: got into this Hall of Fame discussion more and then 57 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: of course hit on a number of other topics. On 58 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: the hot stove that is heating up a little bit 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: right now. There it is. That's a beauty right there. 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Live at the Winter Meetings December eight through ten, which 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: is now happening next week. Yeah, we're already there already 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: at mid December. I am excited it is in Orlando. 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: We get to sleep at home at least AJ and 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: I live nearby, and then we will drive over and 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: we will be there basically all day. We have a 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: ton of manager and GM conversations that are on the 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: books scheduled and we will talk to them in person. 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: So it's going to be a really fun week for 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: this show. And it's the first time that we're going 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: to be live at the Winter Meeting, so we're excited 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: about it, especially for the fans that have been following 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: us for a long period of time. You know how 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: hard everyone works behind the scenes. This is cool for 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: us to add it to our bucket list of events 75 00:03:49,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: that we're covering. Okay, guys, so on Sunday we are 76 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: going to potentially learn of some new Hall of Famers. 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: It is not easy to crack the list from the 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Veterans Committee, and it's the contemporary era, and the list 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: that is being voted on is stacked and has some 80 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: controversy to it as well. Right, Bonds and clements are 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: on there. But then you also have Don Mattingly who's 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: had many cracks at it and hasn't been voted in 83 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: by both the writers or the Veterans Committee. Del Murphy 84 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: is on there, Jeff Kent is on there. I'll just 85 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: personally throw my opinion in here because Kent was like 86 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: my prime era of watching ball as a kid or 87 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: a little bit older, and I thought Jeff ken was 88 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: all famer Okay Sheffield to Carlos Delgado, Fernando Venezuela. This 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: is a really good list. And then there was sixteen 90 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: on the committee that actually does the voting here, and 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: what they do is they all chit chat Todfather. So 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: it's not just like you drop in, you go behind 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: the curtain and you punch in your vote. They have 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: long out where's long conversations first and then everyone votes okay, 95 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: So kind of like I don't know, survivor if anyone's 96 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: check that show out. So you've got Fergie Jenkins, Jim Cott, 97 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: Juan Marichale, Tony Perez, Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammel, Robin Yut 98 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: on the voting committee, along with executive Mark Attanasio, who 99 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: is the owner of the Brewers, Doug Melvin former GM 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: Ardie Moreno, owner of the Angels, Kim Ang who's been 101 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: a long time executive in the game, Tony Reagan's Terry Ryan, 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: historian Steve hurt and Jason Stark is also part of 103 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: this group too and wrote about it that he's not 104 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: just going to be an observer, he's going to be 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: a voter anyway. Thoughts on all of this, the process, 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and then if you think any of these guys will 107 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: make it and how it will go Todd Father, what 108 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: do you think? 109 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: This is very very interesting, not only a group of 110 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: players that might give voted into all of VAME, but 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: the group the committee. Holy cow, man, I My question Scott, 112 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: first off is can they all these guys in if 113 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: they wanted to? Or you can vote no, how many 114 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: can you vote for to get in? 115 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: So you can vote for three people three three people 116 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: and to get in only three and to get in 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: you need twelve out of sixteen votes, you need seventy 118 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: five percent. So it is really challenging because I could 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: see there being a lot of three votesiers, four votes there, 120 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: nine votes there. The only thing that I think will 121 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: help curb that is I have to imagine, and I'll 122 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: bring in KP for this too. KP. I have to 123 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: imagine that if you get a room of all these 124 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: baseball minds together and they chit chat and everybody presents 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: their case. It'll start to sway people because everybody can't 126 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: just put a different name. Now nobody will get in there. 127 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: So you might be able to say, hey, I feel 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: like this guy deserves that. You start to hear that 129 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: more and more than maybe some person that was on 130 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: the fence. It's like, yeah, I'm going to vote for 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: Dale Murphy too. 132 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 133 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 4: I think when you get in a room full of people, 134 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: you could kind of persuade votes like, Okay, these are 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 4: the three to five guys that we think deserve to 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: get in. Now go make your vote. But my question 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: to you, also, because I'm not as familiar with this too, 138 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: is this a one and done situation when they're on 139 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: this kind of contemporary era election ballot. Is it one 140 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: and done where they can continue to stay on it? 141 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: They can stay on Also, I forgot one named Tyler 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Kapner who we love to who's been on. So it's 143 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: Kepner and Jason Stark, who are great historians and writers. 144 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: But no, because I think Don Mattingly, at least I 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: want to say three, if not four times now has 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: had a crack at the Veterans Committee. Now he's continuing 147 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to build his case even though it doesn't feel that 148 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: way because it wasn't just as a player. They acknowledge 149 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: anything that you've done in the baseball world, and it's 150 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: not like he's been a World Series winning manager or 151 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: something like that, but he's been in the game for 152 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: a long time. He's made an impact. So just throwing 153 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: that out there. Don Mattingly and Del Murphy is who 154 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Ken wrote about, and Todd Father Ken I would not 155 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: say is a super small hapit. He's definitely not a 156 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: big haul voter, right. I would say kind of in 157 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the middle, in a little more towards small, if I 158 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: had to guess. But he is starting to turn because 159 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: he said, there's just not that many volume guys that 160 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: are superstar legends anymore. So it leads him to make 161 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: a vote for Chase Utley. Ken pointed out in his 162 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: article how Buster Posey has about fifteen hundred hits and 163 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: he's probably going to get in likely as a first balloder, 164 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen that since Ralph Kiner in the seventies. 165 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: Nobody else has even been under two thousand hits, So 166 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: the numbers are changing. It's not just like, oh, five 167 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: hundred homers and three thousand notes and we got three 168 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: hundred wins. I mean, can we get two hundred wins 169 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,239 Speaker 1: or less? So Ken's point was maybe we should reconsider 170 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Don Mattingly, whose peak was more like six years, or 171 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: Dale Murphy, who I think had about a ten year peak. 172 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: I think Del Murphy should be in. I mean, like 173 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned, I'm in on Kent Sheffield. If Sheffield's got 174 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: a unique story that he tells and he's very anamant 175 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: about but with the ped situation that occurred with him, 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: so and I encourage you to read that or we've 177 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: talked about it on show with him. Anyway, this one's 178 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. I do see where Ken is going 179 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: though on giving more love to guys that don't have 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: the volume that would have stacked up in the past. 181 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: But I think we have to look at differently. 182 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you hate to think of it like this, 183 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: but you look, like I said before, you look at 184 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: the names, like you see certain names Jim Katt, Jim Cott, 185 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: mean old school. You know what he's what is he 186 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: going to think about with the certain guys with the 187 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: steroid era. Tony Perez what a beast? Love him to death. 188 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: He's got a great voice. He's gonna He's very pennated 189 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: on some things too as well, good and bad. Ozzie Smith, 190 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: what an absolutely gem of a guy. But you don't 191 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: know what these people are thinking. Me personally, I think 192 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: Barry Bond should get in the Hall of Fame. 193 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: Man. 194 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: I've said it before, I've said it all the time. 195 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: He is the greatest hitter to ever play in this game. 196 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: And again, you guys brought it up a while ago. 197 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 3: It was frowned upon when this was going on. So oh, 198 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: it just so hard. I think Don Maddingley should be 199 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. The guy was so clutch. 200 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: He didn't win a World Series. Okay, what are you 201 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: going to do? I mean Gary Sheffield, monster hitter, he 202 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: was very, very good. I would find it hard to 203 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: believe that they don't put three guys in here that 204 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: deserve it, and do I think all of I think 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: all of them have a really good shot and should 206 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: get in. But you know, for me, first and foremost, 207 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: I think Barry Bond should should be in the Hall 208 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: of Fame. 209 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Man. 210 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: I just personally think he was the greatest hitter to 211 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: ever play this game in baseball. 212 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: And I will tell you this, I would say there's 213 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: almost no chance that, and I'm not a debate on 214 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'm not trying to debate that 215 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: right now. Almost no chance he gets voted in based 216 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: on who is making votes, right Like there's guy like 217 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Jim Cotton. No freaking chance he's voting in clements based 218 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: on the connections. You're right, you never know. I just 219 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: think that they're going to try and look at some 220 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: other guys that have been around here for a while 221 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: that are borderline, that are not connected to peds like 222 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: Murphy and Mattingly. Let me point this out two KP. 223 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: You know Syrus tweeted this yesterday. Doesn't Jeff Kent have 224 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: a better Hall of Fame case than Murphy and Maddingley, 225 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: who I think should definitely get serious consideration. He's well 226 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: ahead in the war numbers. He looks like he's got 227 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: an edge on the slash line. The home run totals 228 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: are similar to Murphy, well ahead of Mattingly. The weighted 229 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: runs graded plus, which is a very similar number to 230 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: ops plus puts him at a very nice spot. Consistently 231 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: in his career, he's won an MVP, five time All Star. 232 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: What am I missing on? Jeff Kent that people didn't 233 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: love his defense. Oh I'm sorry. He was a monster 234 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: slugging second basement and played It's not like he was 235 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: a disaster over there. 236 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 4: Well, he also had the hardest job in baseball for 237 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: a long time, hitting behind Barry Bonds. You know that 238 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: should be something. But he wasn't a guy who was 239 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: beloved by the media. He wasn't very available, didn't care 240 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: to spend a lot of time with the media. I mean, 241 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: that's a knock against him, But I want to steal 242 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: kind of a quote that Ken dropped on us. It 243 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: said impact on the game when talking about a rod 244 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: and but seely do not all these guys have an 245 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 4: impact on the game. My challenge is it feels like 246 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 4: when you get to the Hall of Fame as a player, 247 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: your kind of perspective changes, like you're in this super 248 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: elite group of players. But when you read off those 249 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 4: list of names of guys that are on the committee 250 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: and the guys that are trying to get elected, do 251 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: not all of them sound like Hall of Famers To me, 252 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: I'm personally not a numbers guy in terms of you 253 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: need to have x amount of hits or home runs 254 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: or innings pitched or wins or whatever the criteria is. 255 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: I like to look at it from a player's perspective. 256 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 4: If I play, and you can ask Todd, you can 257 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: ask me about guys that we played against that maybe 258 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: are currently still playing or just got done playing. You know, 259 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer when you see one, did they 260 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: dominate the era that they played in? Were they one 261 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 4: of the best players in that era, whether it was 262 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: for five, six, eight, ten, fifteen years. There's no doubt 263 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: in my mind when you talk about a guy like 264 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 4: Buster Posey, he doesn't have the statistical number and the accomplishments, 265 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: but was he one of the best players in the 266 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: or the best player for the six years that he 267 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: was on the field every single day? Without a doubt. 268 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: So I've always kind of been a little bit bigger 269 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: haul guy. I don't think it should be for everyone. 270 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 4: But if you go around a room and ask players, Hey, 271 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: you ask guys who played against Dale Murphy. Was he 272 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: the best player in the field almost every single time 273 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: he stepped on the field. Absolutely. Same goes for Don Mattingly, 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: same goes for Gary Sheffield. I think a lot of 275 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: these guys are very deserving to Todd's point two. I'm 276 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 4: a huge believer. I know, I know, you know all 277 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: the noise and speculation and all the things around Barry Bonds. 278 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: But when you talk about impact on the game, this 279 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: guy's been retired for how long and we're still talking 280 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: about this guy as the greatest player to ever play. 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 4: You know, maybe show Hayes kind of coming up on 282 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 4: that eventually, if his career continues to go the way 283 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: he's going. But you talk about the most dominant baseball 284 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: player of all time, it's Barry Bonds. It's a very 285 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: easy answer, much like you would get in the NBA 286 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: if you ask someone, it's Michael Jordan. You know. So 287 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: there's some people that can make an argument for Lebron 288 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: or Kobe and some other players. But if you're having 289 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: that argument a best player and it comes down to 290 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: three guys and he's not in the Hall of Fame, 291 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: I think we're doing the Hall of Fame injustice by 292 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: not having him in there.