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Speaker 1: welcome back, guys to another episode of The Break. I'm
Speaker 1: here with Nick and Dave. We are gonna be breaking
Speaker 1: down the Lions defense today. But to start the show,
Speaker 1: when I get an update on these injured guys that
Speaker 1: we're out, Yes, you're they kind of see what's going
Speaker 1: on there today. What's the update for Lyle Collins is
Speaker 1: still absent from practice. Connor Williams is too, But we
Speaker 1: knew that Jeff Heath is doing rehab. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna actually practice today. Amari Cooper was rehabbing and
Speaker 1: doing injured guy things. Didn't see him actually practicing, but
Speaker 1: he was inside with everybody else. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: that means for his participation level, but classic case of
Speaker 1: a guy who's trending toward getting ready. I'm tempted to
Speaker 1: think that that's just going to be the norm for
Speaker 1: him for the rest of the year. Michael Bennett's back
Speaker 1: from his excused absence whatever it was. Ah, yeah, all
Speaker 1: things considered. Oh, Zack Martin's back to all things considered.
Speaker 1: Not too shabby, too shabby. Jeff Heath what about CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin back? He's pctice. Yeah, he returned. It was his ankle,
Speaker 1: not as back, but he's back now. Before the show,
Speaker 1: I asked some people on Twitter to send me some questions,
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to send some more hit us.
Speaker 1: At Cowboys Break I saw one of them, which I
Speaker 1: honestly have not thought of this this way, But you know,
Speaker 1: we keep asking and wondering, why are the Cowboys having
Speaker 1: slow starts now? With having so many guys being out
Speaker 1: during practice time, you know, due to injuries and the
Speaker 1: lack of them being pressing and being able to participate.
Speaker 1: Could that be a reason why the Cowboys are having
Speaker 1: slow stars and maybe just takes them like a quarter
Speaker 1: to kind of get back on track. I would buy
Speaker 1: that if they were going three and out and punning
Speaker 1: right off the bat, which just happened maybe at once
Speaker 1: or twice, but for the most part, they're driving the ball,
Speaker 1: they're getting down there, they're getting in position of you know,
Speaker 1: feel goal or maybe red zone, and then something messes
Speaker 1: up early in the game, a drop pass or a
Speaker 1: penalty or missfield goal or drop pass or poor decision
Speaker 1: to make the field goal attempt, you know that early
Speaker 1: in the game, just from that from that yard line,
Speaker 1: from that yard line, I think there. I think somebody
Speaker 1: looked up to stat Maybe you may have heard this.
Speaker 1: It's like the first time someone's tried to field goal
Speaker 1: fifty five yards or more in the first drive of
Speaker 1: the game in like twelve years. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen a lot. I yeah, that reminds me of
Speaker 1: a stat I think our friend Bob Sturm had it something.
Speaker 1: They're like, only only four or like, only eight field
Speaker 1: goals have been attempted from that range that early in
Speaker 1: the game, like ever, and four of them are Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's decision. Yeah, early, I mean it's yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to paraphrase, but it's something like that. We believe
Speaker 1: in our guys, believe in Brett Maher. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know what, believing Chris Jones that he's going to get
Speaker 1: the ball down to the eight yard line, fair catch,
Speaker 1: and believe in the defense for stopping him, and then
Speaker 1: you'll get the ball in midfield and let's do it again.
Speaker 1: That's what I would believe in. But whatever, where are
Speaker 1: you getting that? Like, where would you get that information
Speaker 1: from that it's Garrett's decision. Out of those times, well,
Speaker 1: just how many field goals they're been And then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: if it says I guess, I mean the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett as the coach. I mean, so I'll try
Speaker 1: to find it. It was. It blew my mind about
Speaker 1: the injuries affecting it, just because I think that they
Speaker 1: they've actually moved the ball pretty well. They they just
Speaker 1: something's messing them up early in the game. They're not
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good thought, you know, because if
Speaker 1: we keep trying to find an answers, you know, the
Speaker 1: media keeps asking asking Jason Garrett. I mean they asked
Speaker 1: the players. No one really has an answer asked to
Speaker 1: why they're having these types of starts. I mean, the
Speaker 1: offense really hasn't been great. The defense got a couple
Speaker 1: of turnovers in the Philadelphia game, right, and then they
Speaker 1: were able to punch it in, but as far as
Speaker 1: taking the ball driving it. But I would argue with
Speaker 1: you that you're, yeah, like they're not going three and out.
Speaker 1: Like I'm thinking about the Packers game right now. They
Speaker 1: looked great right up until that ball bounced off a
Speaker 1: Mari's hands. They got to the thirty nine the other night,
Speaker 1: and then Cobb dropped the pass that I thought was
Speaker 1: a pretty big drop in the game, and that on
Speaker 1: that third down against UM in the first drive Vikings game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I found it. By the way Pro Football Reference, four
Speaker 1: field goals attempted of over fifty three yards in the
Speaker 1: first three minutes of an NFL game since ninety four.
Speaker 1: It's happened four times in the last what is that
Speaker 1: twenty five years? All last or Sunday Night was the
Speaker 1: only time it's happened from a distance longer than fifty
Speaker 1: four yards. Of those four times, two of them are
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, So it was the other kicker? Was it
Speaker 1: maher Or It doesn't say what year It doesn't. It
Speaker 1: just says it's happened time since ninety four. It doesn't
Speaker 1: say what years those happen. How do you know it's
Speaker 1: Jason Karrett because I assume two of them were tempted
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys during Garrett's ten years head coach. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to see who the kicker was
Speaker 1: ten years. That's amazing. But you know, it's a trust.
Speaker 1: It's a trust in the defense to stop them, which
Speaker 1: they didn't. It's the trust and the kicker to make
Speaker 1: it well. Another question, speaking of the defense. You know,
Speaker 1: we we've talked about the offense and the issues that
Speaker 1: they've had, but when you look at the defense, I
Speaker 1: see some people having concerns as to why is this
Speaker 1: defense not looking like they were looking last year. You know,
Speaker 1: you still have essentially somewhat of the same type of players.
Speaker 1: If anything, you've added talent on the Rocks. It's the
Speaker 1: same defense plus a couple of good players you'd help you.
Speaker 1: That's that's the baffling part about it. And you know,
Speaker 1: people pointed out it's you know, defensive consistency, especially in
Speaker 1: the NFL, it's hard to translate it from year to year.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are making a big deal of
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, I think the Cowboys win
Speaker 1: eight and two in games decided by a possession or
Speaker 1: last last year, and it's oz and three, like that
Speaker 1: type of stuff. Regression to the mean is a big
Speaker 1: thing in a league with this much parody, But it
Speaker 1: is still weird that a defense that is essentially the same,
Speaker 1: like Robert Quinn is the only major difference, has had
Speaker 1: so many lapses at like doing the basic stuff like tackling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't have a great answer, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: we did see it last year or two. When teams
Speaker 1: really focus on wanting to run the ball and move
Speaker 1: you out of the way, they can do it. And
Speaker 1: the Colts did it, the Rams did it, and then
Speaker 1: you know this year, the Packers have done it. The
Speaker 1: Vikings did it. So there are some teams that have
Speaker 1: the ability to run the ball at will and it's
Speaker 1: it's Cowboys obviously haven't won any of those games, and
Speaker 1: they really haven't been that close. I guess the Vikings
Speaker 1: game was closed. The Vikings game was close, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, you know, when you when you run
Speaker 1: the ball like they have, and the Cowboys tried to
Speaker 1: address it. They reached in the second round to take
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle that can't get on the field. That
Speaker 1: was a bad pick at this point. At this point,
Speaker 1: it has been a bad pick because he does not
Speaker 1: play and they need that position to play well. It's
Speaker 1: it's crazy that. I mean, that's nothing new. A guy
Speaker 1: drafted that high at a position where they're not stacked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't playing a role at all. And that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean he'll be a bust, but it's disappointing right now,
Speaker 1: but that they need him to play well, like that
Speaker 1: they need the position. That's the one thing. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: they drafted him, but they got six other guys. Well
Speaker 1: they don't though, Well, do you think they were even
Speaker 1: expecting to have to need him this year? I think
Speaker 1: they expect him to be ready to play. I think
Speaker 1: that's a factor when you draft the guy in the
Speaker 1: second round, like he is he going to come in
Speaker 1: and control? But you know, how do they make some
Speaker 1: decisions sometimes and it's like not necessarily for the year,
Speaker 1: but for the next year. True. Yeah, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, we're kind of I guess
Speaker 1: we're getting off the plot of the current team, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it it stinks, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: of them being like, this is the guy who can
Speaker 1: do what we need him to do, and we got
Speaker 1: to get him now, regardless of whether or not we're
Speaker 1: reaching or whatever, Like we need him in the future.
Speaker 1: He can do what we want him to do in
Speaker 1: this scheme, and we got to get him right now,
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't line up perfectly with our board. Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I think happened, And the fact that he
Speaker 1: can't even get a jersey on game day only seems
Speaker 1: to emphasize that. But I would bet that they're I
Speaker 1: don't know, I would hope that they're surprised that he
Speaker 1: can't even get into a uniform because he was drafted
Speaker 1: fifty eighth overall. Yeah, I mean, that's that shouldn't happen
Speaker 1: now real quick? On going back to Jeff Heath and
Speaker 1: most likely wouldn't play this weekend I would assume, right,
Speaker 1: or maybe you just never know until Yeah, it's hard
Speaker 1: to say. I leaned toward thinking maybe not. But with
Speaker 1: Darien Thompson, I know we don't get to see much
Speaker 1: of the practice, but based on the very little die
Speaker 1: you've seen and heard, how is this looking like as
Speaker 1: far as him and his participation. I like Thompson. I
Speaker 1: think I like Thompson better than Heath to play in
Speaker 1: these games out healthy or not. I think Thompson is
Speaker 1: a you know, he's playing for Heath, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's an active player, like he's having to play some
Speaker 1: strong safety now. He's always played free, but you see
Speaker 1: him in the backfield, you see him making some plays.
Speaker 1: I like him. I like him out there, and I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to miss a whole lot there
Speaker 1: and you miss someone special teams. But I don't think
Speaker 1: the jump from Heath to Thompson is a big, big loss. No,
Speaker 1: I mean it hasn't been to this point. I think
Speaker 1: Thompson's played really well. I heard a whisper. I guess
Speaker 1: this shouldn't be surprised. But keep an eye on Heath
Speaker 1: because if he's unavailable, that leaves you with essentially three
Speaker 1: safeties and only one real fallback option. It could be
Speaker 1: a scenario where they need Josh Jones to come up
Speaker 1: from the practice squad, maybe you know, hand special teams,
Speaker 1: all hands on deck type of situation. They brought him here.
Speaker 1: He's been here for what like a month. Former second
Speaker 1: round pick of Green Bay. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people have asked about him because he was I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the lofty draft choice. So that's something the
Speaker 1: Cowboys like to do. I don't know if that's going
Speaker 1: to happen, but if Heath really can't go, it's probably
Speaker 1: something they'll think about. All right, well, let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: welcome back, guys. Now, let's talk about some Lions defense
Speaker 1: and what they got going on over there. Dave take
Speaker 1: it away. Okay, here's my thing, I you know I do.
Speaker 1: I do the Draft show in the offseason. It's a
Speaker 1: pet project of mine. So I'm pretty familiar with the
Speaker 1: guys that come into the league. So first thing I
Speaker 1: do when I go down, you know, when I look
Speaker 1: at an opponent, I just I write their roster out.
Speaker 1: I look at who they got, and I'm sitting here,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, Damon Harrison remember, you know, remember
Speaker 1: him from the Giants. Trey Flowers, big money free agent
Speaker 1: from the from the Pats, a Shaan Robinson, big nasty
Speaker 1: nose tackle from Alabama, Jared Davis first round pick out
Speaker 1: of Florida, Gilani Tava, Dane Brugler's favorite player in last
Speaker 1: year's draft. I'm like, yeah, these guys are talented, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is good. And then you watch them
Speaker 1: play and you look at what they've done this year
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's uh, that sounds kind of familiar.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look as good on paper as it should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but okay, we're so hard on the Cowboys defense. They're
Speaker 1: still pretty good. Yeah, these guys aren't really Um, they're
Speaker 1: thirtieth in the league in total defense, twenty fourth in scoring,
Speaker 1: so they buckle down when they need to a little bit.
Speaker 1: Twenty fourth US. I mean they're thirtieth in defense, twenty
Speaker 1: eighth against the past, twenty sixth against the run, twenty
Speaker 1: fourth in scoring. Like so they're a little better at
Speaker 1: holding people out of the end zone than they are
Speaker 1: everywhere else. It's pretty terrible. They are defense terrible. They're
Speaker 1: not good. Um, they're ninth. They have nineteen sacks on
Speaker 1: the year. That's twenty six in the league. They don't
Speaker 1: get a lot of takeaways either. Um. Their best dude
Speaker 1: to take him the ball away, Quandre Diggs as a seahawk.
Speaker 1: Now he might have seen him the other night getting
Speaker 1: a takeaway. Is their best player probably Darius Slay cornerback.
Speaker 1: He's really good. Um, that's something to watch. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he'll travel with Amari Cooper. He's a really talented,
Speaker 1: confident press man corner. He's man to man a lot.
Speaker 1: He gets up on his guy, he bullies him. Um,
Speaker 1: which is impressive because like he's not he's not this
Speaker 1: huge dude, but but he's he's good at playing press technique. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trey Flowers is good and I don't he's
Speaker 1: got five sacks. I don't think that's terrible. Uh again,
Speaker 1: you know, going back to that Green Bay game, he
Speaker 1: should have had like two more that got waved off
Speaker 1: by flags. Um oh and Justin Coleman. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see what they do. He's a he's kind of a
Speaker 1: BADASSU They he's their slot corner. They got him out
Speaker 1: of Seattle. Uh. He's playing really well, but they traded
Speaker 1: Digs away, So I'm curious to see how much he
Speaker 1: plays outside versus inside. But he's he's having a really
Speaker 1: nice season. He's got ten pass breakups. Um playing really well.
Speaker 1: You know, going back to what you said about Sleigh
Speaker 1: moving and following Cooper, you know, I used to think
Speaker 1: that was kind of like a bad thing for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But I don't like it, Like, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: something that that the Lions should do, or really any
Speaker 1: team travel somebody. No, because I think Gallop is probably
Speaker 1: just as good. Gallop is probably better than a second corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so therefore I don't think he'd be better than Slagh.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just look at it like,
Speaker 1: I still Cooper can win. No, that's that's the classic.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you need a number two receiver
Speaker 1: who's good enough to make a team pay for doing
Speaker 1: that type of thing. And like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they will. That's fine with me though, Like
Speaker 1: I'll I like Michael Gallops chances against most number two corners.
Speaker 1: One thing, if you thought Slagh or Zavian Howard or
Speaker 1: whoever the corner was would shut down Cooper, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he can. I don't think so. Who would
Speaker 1: you say would be the toughest matchup here for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: like across the defense, across yeah defense versus Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1: I mean Snacks Snacks Snacks has given them fits for years.
Speaker 1: And he's still a good player. He's not, I mean,
Speaker 1: he has an dropped off drastically. I watched two games
Speaker 1: and I thought he looked good. Um, And that's one
Speaker 1: thing about Travis Frederick that you wonder about is the strength.
Speaker 1: You know, he's yeah, yeah, the recognition is fine. But
Speaker 1: they said with this, in with with the illness that
Speaker 1: he had last year, um, strength would be an issue
Speaker 1: for him. So and I think we've seen that at times,
Speaker 1: and they they're adding you know, Sophilo obviously that'll help
Speaker 1: with some strength. Yeah, but you know, Zach Martin's got
Speaker 1: a back injury, much like the much like the Giants.
Speaker 1: I think this is better. This is better than the Giants,
Speaker 1: I think, But like in terms of rushing the passer, okay,
Speaker 1: and you have Trey Flowers, um, but there's not there's
Speaker 1: not much else in the way of guys that are
Speaker 1: like getting a lot of push to the point that
Speaker 1: they use their Sam linebacker Devon Kannard a lot coming
Speaker 1: off the edge. So that's something tight ends should probably
Speaker 1: be watching for um Witten or Jarwin like I would,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be trying to add pressure a lot because
Speaker 1: they don't get a lot of push with just their
Speaker 1: front four nineteen sacks twenty sixth in the league. So
Speaker 1: I like Dak's odds to have a pretty clean pocket.
Speaker 1: The linebacker play like Jared Davis was a first round
Speaker 1: pick out of Florida. I remember liking him a decent
Speaker 1: amount and him and then, like I said, Gilani Tavai,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie. They don't. It doesn't seem like they're
Speaker 1: playing great. I was actually reading up on it from
Speaker 1: Detroit writers. Like, again, Davis is their big first round pick.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to kind of be the center of their defense.
Speaker 1: And they reduced his role in this loss to the
Speaker 1: Bears last week, like he played fewer snaps. They gave
Speaker 1: play calling duties to a rookie over him. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's probably not what you want in your first round pick.
Speaker 1: So he gets, he gets washed out of plays, blockers
Speaker 1: get to him, he gets you know, he gets picked
Speaker 1: up a lot and doesn't get move in the right
Speaker 1: direction fast enough to make a lot of tackles. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook killed them the same way. It looked a lot
Speaker 1: like watching the Cowboys game. Honestly, when they played the
Speaker 1: Vikings a month ago and they lost forty two to thirty,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins had all day. Play action worked really great.
Speaker 1: That's I got halfway through the tape against the Bears
Speaker 1: and I was like, why am I watching this? Like
Speaker 1: Mitch Drubisky sucks for lack of a better word, like
Speaker 1: I'm not getting a good indication of what they're capable of.
Speaker 1: Because they were playing great against the Bears. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a pretty good defense. And I was like,
Speaker 1: they're playing Trubisky, Dave, why don't you go watch him
Speaker 1: against a better quarterback? And I did, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: very good to your point, So I mentioned Justin Coleman,
Speaker 1: he's their slot guy. He can play outside. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't, they got a veteran corner by the name
Speaker 1: of Rashaan Melvin, and he is a liability. He can't
Speaker 1: You're gonna say he's good, No, he can't cover. He
Speaker 1: I mean, he was getting picked on. It didn't matter
Speaker 1: if it was theeln or digs. They put him on
Speaker 1: Kyle Rudolph a couple of times and it was it
Speaker 1: went how you might expect, just getting bullied off the ball.
Speaker 1: So fine, what number twenty nine, twenty nine in your programs?
Speaker 1: If if Darius Slay wants to travel with Cooper, find
Speaker 1: whoever twenty nine's got, and I like that matchup a lot.
Speaker 1: They they're they're susceptible over the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: That's what I wrote, because their linebackers don't cover well.
Speaker 1: Tavai is like a big, bulky mic guy, like he's
Speaker 1: he's good. I mean, he's a good player, but he
Speaker 1: coverages in his strong suit. And then Jared Davis just
Speaker 1: doesn't look super impressive. So whether that's Randall Cobb, whether
Speaker 1: you want to look I mean, I know we've kind
Speaker 1: of been talking down on it, but Jason Witten, I
Speaker 1: think he can get open against these guys that should
Speaker 1: be there the middle of the field and the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: that aren't Darius Slay. I feel good about that. It
Speaker 1: was twelve years ago, I believe. But two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven Head a lot fifteen catches in a game up
Speaker 1: there he really Detroit, Yeah, and the game winner in
Speaker 1: the final seconds of the game to win the NFC.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a big game. But a
Speaker 1: lot has changed in twelve years. But I do know
Speaker 1: that he had about fifteen catches that day. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about it a lot. Maybe we I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we talked about it Uncover four. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a fun series, like the games are usually
Speaker 1: really Yeah, Cowboys Detroit, like it came. It was a
Speaker 1: walk off field goal last year they beat there but
Speaker 1: in sixteen, but it was still a fun game. Dez
Speaker 1: had the trick passed to Witten. There it is on
Speaker 1: the screen. There you go that. I mean, the playoff
Speaker 1: game was an instant classic. The romo to Terrence and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence kind of showed up out of nowhere. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: these are just really yeah. This is the thirteen, this
Speaker 1: is the Megatron game, you know, three hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I think I wish they had to play in this
Speaker 1: game where um callin Johnson goes about ninety yards with
Speaker 1: the ball and this is all late in the game.
Speaker 1: This is early in the game. He had like a
Speaker 1: catch where he went like ninety yards and Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: caught him. Like I know, people think, wow, he's white safety.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna write he fetched Calvin Johnson, which is
Speaker 1: he's not known for being a track guy. But anybody
Speaker 1: on this team will tell you Jeff Heath is very
Speaker 1: very fast, very fast. Maybe not today was he's doing No, No,
Speaker 1: probably not today. He's got stitches in his knee. But
Speaker 1: I don't think of it as a rivalry. But like
Speaker 1: more often than not, it's very entertaining when these teams play.
Speaker 1: I think it'll I think this particular game will. Probably
Speaker 1: your age is helping you there because you're you're not
Speaker 1: old enough to go back to the early two thousand
Speaker 1: oh sure crap going on there. Of course, two thousand
Speaker 1: and the end the two thousand and one season, that
Speaker 1: was the year of nine to eleven. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: believe it was that game that got pushed back to
Speaker 1: the week I guess, or I think it was the
Speaker 1: Detroit game they got moved to the very end of
Speaker 1: the season. So they go in and they play that
Speaker 1: game and they're one in fifteen or one fourteen. I'm
Speaker 1: looking the subway and the Cowboys are five and ten
Speaker 1: and they go and play the last game of the
Speaker 1: Superdome season the Silverdome. Yeah, and it's terrible. They lost
Speaker 1: to the team. Score. Um, this I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do, Yes, you do. Twenty to fourteen. Oh damn,
Speaker 1: Typically I don't. This is bad radio. But like Nick
Speaker 1: has the this uncanny ability to like remember the score
Speaker 1: and the date. It was fifteen to ten, fifteen to ten. Well,
Speaker 1: I do know that Dave Campo did not come back.
Speaker 1: He had vertigo. He did that day. The next The
Speaker 1: next year, we played the Lions up there, and I
Speaker 1: can promise you the score was nine to seven. They
Speaker 1: lost that game. It was terrible. They boot him at
Speaker 1: Smith because he just broke the record, and they see it.
Speaker 1: The Lions fans thought it should have been Barry Sanders's record.
Speaker 1: And there's been some crappy games in this series, but
Speaker 1: lately it's been pretty good. Yeah, nine to seven, you're right, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean more often than not fifteen to ten. That
Speaker 1: bothers me. I should have got that. It's okay, we'll
Speaker 1: remember next time. Now, more often than not in in
Speaker 1: my experience, this has been a really entertaining series. I
Speaker 1: feel like it it won't It probably won't be this
Speaker 1: week because I mean, the Lions will probably have Driscoll.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's going to be a clunky performance.
Speaker 1: We don't trust the Cowboys to play for complete quarters
Speaker 1: so anyway, but there are plays to be made against
Speaker 1: this defense, mainly because they don't rush the passer well
Speaker 1: and I don't like the majority of their secondary. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it's here. It feels like it's dumming.
Speaker 1: Don't it sounds so cheery about it? Jeez, Dallas Cowboys, Well,
Speaker 1: I can't do its third annual Christmas at the Star
Speaker 1: President positioned by Albertson's and Tom Thumb. Then you saw
Speaker 1: the have you seen the Christmas tree out there? I
Speaker 1: mean it's alright, yeah, they put it up today. I
Speaker 1: think it's like how how tall would you say? It
Speaker 1: would be freaking twenty something feet? It's like at least
Speaker 1: twenty five feet tall. It gets like three stories tall.
Speaker 1: It ain't like forty I mean think. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: Bradley is seven seven. I'm thinking how many times would he? Well,
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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco dot com. Okay, thank you, Nick. So
Speaker 1: Dave talked about the possibility of Dak having a clean
Speaker 1: pocket and the Cowboys old line being able to kind
Speaker 1: of keep it clean for him. I see several people
Speaker 1: asking why has Dak not rent with the ball, guying
Speaker 1: outside of the pocket more and use his feet. Do
Speaker 1: you think that maybe in this game that could be
Speaker 1: a possibility where we can start seeing him run with
Speaker 1: the ball a little more. They need to if they
Speaker 1: play the percentages like they say they do. There's some
Speaker 1: stats out there that when he runs the ball three
Speaker 1: or four times a game. I think it's four times
Speaker 1: a game. They've only lost once, so I mean they
Speaker 1: I think that they do better when he's actually there
Speaker 1: a reason why they have kind of stopped from that. Eric, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there a reason why. You're fifteen, said, I just thought
Speaker 1: of Terry. Um. First of all, I want to throw
Speaker 1: a caveat out there. Dak used his feet like a
Speaker 1: mofo the other night. He bailed himself out of so
Speaker 1: many situations. Don't worry about it. He bailed himself out
Speaker 1: of so many situations. Now designed carries and runs absolutely Um.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me that you would
Speaker 1: lean so heavily on on read option and never have
Speaker 1: the quarterback keep the ball. Especially not only is he demonstrated,
Speaker 1: you know, athleticism and the ability to pick it up,
Speaker 1: but he's he's willing too. Like he I don't want
Speaker 1: to go as far as to say he looks for contact,
Speaker 1: but actually yeah, he kind of does. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's a big tough dude. He's not afraid of tacklers.
Speaker 1: And I know you don't want to get your quarterback hurt.
Speaker 1: But he can handle it a handful of times per game.
Speaker 1: And that's are we blaming him absolutely not? Well? I
Speaker 1: mean well, I mean mates, and if it's an RPO.
Speaker 1: If he has the option, then it's on him and
Speaker 1: maybe he's not seeing that look or maybe but that's
Speaker 1: the thing is like I think somebody, very tongue in cheek,
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, he doesn't want to he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to take those hits because he's like, if you know
Speaker 1: anything about Dak, do you buy that. I don't buy
Speaker 1: that at all. He's a competitor. I just wonder if
Speaker 1: there are if it's sort of his option or or
Speaker 1: are they not getting the looks? And I mean I
Speaker 1: can imagine clearly him saying that, like I'm not getting
Speaker 1: the looks, like do you do you want me to
Speaker 1: keep it on a defensive end that's staying home and
Speaker 1: and I you know, I'm getting tackled for minus two. No,
Speaker 1: And I haven't looked at it closely enough to know
Speaker 1: what the looks were. But there are ways too, There
Speaker 1: are ways to scheme that stuff. I mean, where has
Speaker 1: the quarterback drawin? We love that play? Yeah, we love
Speaker 1: that play and I don't remember the last time they
Speaker 1: ran it. It seems like a perfect call for the
Speaker 1: red zone, honestly, and it usually works when they do
Speaker 1: that in the red zone. It's the epitome of hidden
Speaker 1: yardage because Dak could finish a game with three carries
Speaker 1: for it doesn't even have to be like a forty
Speaker 1: two yarder like he did against Washington. He finished with
Speaker 1: three carries for nine yards and two of those three
Speaker 1: picked up You know, if you get nine yards and
Speaker 1: two of those carries are for eight so two carries
Speaker 1: of four yards, you pick up two different third and
Speaker 1: shorts and that is the difference between winning and losing sometimes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they need to do it more. I don't
Speaker 1: know why that was only the fourth time in his
Speaker 1: career he didn't carry the ball at all, and it
Speaker 1: probably just shouldn't happen. He's too useful as a runner. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not asking him to do a fifteen times a game,
Speaker 1: but it's very useful. Now, on a different topic, we
Speaker 1: know that Dyke is still looking for a contract, and
Speaker 1: we know that Amari Cooper is still looking for a contract.
Speaker 1: With what has been going on injury wise in regards
Speaker 1: to a Mari Cooper in his leg and his foot,
Speaker 1: Does this change anything as far as what you're thinking
Speaker 1: about his future here with the Cowboys. No, No, I
Speaker 1: canna do it in like six different octaves, that one,
Speaker 1: that one baritone. No, he's why because he's awesome. He's missed.
Speaker 1: He's your first round draft pick this year. He missed
Speaker 1: one game, right, and by doing that, when they did that,
Speaker 1: you knew that that they're gonna make this work. Remember
Speaker 1: keeping in mind that he himself and Mari has said
Speaker 1: that he has battled with this foot thing. I forget
Speaker 1: the name of the planet. Yes, he has battled with
Speaker 1: that through his career. Was not battling his toes. His
Speaker 1: toes are good. That's he barely practiced last week and
Speaker 1: came out and made like four of the most absurd
Speaker 1: plays of the season in one night. And it must,
Speaker 1: like I know, we talked about it at the time,
Speaker 1: he must have been in a ton of pain to
Speaker 1: leave that Jets game the way he did, because he's
Speaker 1: fought through so much stuff and it hasn't even seemed
Speaker 1: to bother him. I mean the Jets game, he played
Speaker 1: three snaps and sat down. But other than that has
Speaker 1: he just been a non factor. And like in I
Speaker 1: think he had like a forty maybe he had like
Speaker 1: forty yards against Washington, but he still caught a touchdown.
Speaker 1: He's been awesome all year. You know, while fighting through
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Don't know what's going on with a
Speaker 1: Dack contract. I can't give you that one. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit more going on with Cooper as far as
Speaker 1: his agents and the you probably heard this too, like
Speaker 1: the agency that is going on there, Like I think
Speaker 1: that they're splitting up and they're you know, his Israel
Speaker 1: agent is starting a different firm, and so this is
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happening there that it slows the process, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I don't think Cooper's in a
Speaker 1: big hurry. He's just not. But I think that one's
Speaker 1: going to happen. But I don't really know what's holding
Speaker 1: up the Dack thing. I mean, I think we kind
Speaker 1: of mean numbers. I mean, yeah, guaranteed. I think guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: I've said it on him before. I think the guaranteed
Speaker 1: money that is that Goff and Wentz have is way
Speaker 1: higher than DAK because of that's the money that they
Speaker 1: got when they when they were drafted. And so they
Speaker 1: put out a report over the weekend that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, no progress was made during the bye week,
Speaker 1: which means DAK is heading for the franchise tag. And
Speaker 1: I have heard nothing that suggests that that's true. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: if it gets to that point, that's what you would do.
Speaker 1: But I've i haven't heard anything that gives me the
Speaker 1: indication that, like, well, you know, talks are done. We're
Speaker 1: not like we're gonna have to tag him. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard that at all. Jerry Jones addressed it on the
Speaker 1: radio this week. He was like, the reporter that put
Speaker 1: that out doesn't know what he's talking about, because I'm
Speaker 1: the only person in the world that's privy to all
Speaker 1: those details. It's weird, how like, considering that they would
Speaker 1: have to franchise both of those guys or either one
Speaker 1: of those guys, I should say, and there's some wiggle
Speaker 1: room there because the transition tag is out there and
Speaker 1: franchise tag. Point being it's mid November and those guys
Speaker 1: are unsigned, and I'm not super worried about it. I'm
Speaker 1: really not, because, like they are playing like badasses, they
Speaker 1: both want to be here. But there is a trickle
Speaker 1: down effect and it might go to Byron Jones or
Speaker 1: sure everybody else. Of course, that you can't franchise because
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to hold it for these guys, and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, what's your what you can only franchise
Speaker 1: one right, what's your confidence percentage that Dak and Amari
Speaker 1: are going to get long term deals here? Nine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, no, less than like ninety eight percent. So
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the hold up is. I
Speaker 1: don't really know when it's going to happen. But Byron
Speaker 1: Jones being here next year, that's like forty eight for me.
Speaker 1: Does it change if the head coach changes as far
Speaker 1: as to be like long, oh, I need a new quarterback,
Speaker 1: I need a different quarterback or something like that. I
Speaker 1: know that's a that's a good question. It is a
Speaker 1: good question, but that won't be your head coach, Like
Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna make sure to get somebody that can work
Speaker 1: with that's dack line, which well everything Dak has shown
Speaker 1: through nine games, like if you can't work with him, yeah,
Speaker 1: which most of the people listening to this show don't
Speaker 1: like the current head coach. Can you imagine if you
Speaker 1: sit down with the guy and he says, you know,
Speaker 1: first thing I would do is I'd probably want to
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback and I would say thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: It's been This is a very impressive presentation that you
Speaker 1: gave us the doors that way. Okay, most of the
Speaker 1: people listening to this don't think the current coaching staff
Speaker 1: is getting the most out of Dak. Would you say?
Speaker 1: That's fair to say? Yeah? Yeah, so, and he's still
Speaker 1: playing like a beast, Like if he's got a few
Speaker 1: less interceptions or a few more wins, he's in the
Speaker 1: MVP conversation. So any coach you would hire should be
Speaker 1: able to work with him. I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: big of an ass. I don't know about that that
Speaker 1: statement you just made it. I kind of was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but okay, but when you say it again, the current
Speaker 1: staff is not getting the most out of Dak. I mean,
Speaker 1: I said, most of the people listening to the show
Speaker 1: think though, okay, and that's what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, a fourth round pick compared story pick, he's
Speaker 1: come in here, he's been the franchise quarterback for four years.
Speaker 1: I think they're getting a lot out of it. They're
Speaker 1: getting a ton out of him, I think. And actually,
Speaker 1: to be fair to what I just said, like, I
Speaker 1: think John Kittena has done wonders for Dak. I think
Speaker 1: he's been fantastic. I guess my point just being little
Speaker 1: things like the fact that he didn't have a carry
Speaker 1: in that game, or some of the play calling. It.
Speaker 1: I mean it, you know, thinking back to the New
Speaker 1: Orleans game, thinking back to the insistent on running on
Speaker 1: first and long situations all the time, I think I
Speaker 1: think he could even still be better. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: is my point fair. I just but I didn't want
Speaker 1: to throw out there that we don't think this staff
Speaker 1: is has done good job with him, because you know,
Speaker 1: now everybody was wrong just having maximized his abilities and
Speaker 1: his potential. You know, we did see we did see
Speaker 1: a growth when Kidnap came in here, and that translated
Speaker 1: to what Dak has been able to do so far.
Speaker 1: But I think, like Dave said, placing him in the
Speaker 1: right situation and not just him, when you talk about
Speaker 1: the talent in general in the offense and making sure
Speaker 1: you're calling plays that are suitable for your guys and
Speaker 1: trying to be more creative, you know, you keep talking
Speaker 1: about creativity and placing these guys in a better position
Speaker 1: rather than keep banging on and doing the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over. If if they were to hire a
Speaker 1: new coach and a candidate were to say like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to change quarterbacks like that, go away, get
Speaker 1: out of it. That's no go, move on, push on
Speaker 1: as what they say. And I don't think that would
Speaker 1: be this case for Cooper either. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: any coach that wants to coach the Cowboys you'll be
Speaker 1: just fine with. You're gonna have to deal with a
Speaker 1: lot more, most of it off the field, things that
Speaker 1: you have to just be okay with, you'll be fine
Speaker 1: with Cooper and dak as your pasure. We're really thinking
Speaker 1: we need a wide receiver, Like why would we want
Speaker 1: a guy who can play all three positions and does
Speaker 1: something insane twice at game. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what happens when he has healthy feet and legs and knees,
Speaker 1: because it's been battling something every game and it's you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know it. The Raiders are playing pretty well, so
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to completely call John Gruden an idiot,
Speaker 1: but I like, what about Amari Cooper makes you think like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't get it done with this guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened there that doubt well, he
Speaker 1: proved them wrong. He said that he wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure he wanted to prove that the Cowboys were right
Speaker 1: by now. He always like he's always really taken the
Speaker 1: high road about that, Like he never talks about proving
Speaker 1: people wrong. He's just like, I want to prove that
Speaker 1: they the Cowboys made a good game. Now the Raiders
Speaker 1: are going to be okay. They have a winning record,
Speaker 1: I believe, and keep getting five and four or five
Speaker 1: and four. They're alive in the AFC wild Card and
Speaker 1: they're gonna get picks. I mean the three this year,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna probably get more. I mean they still
Speaker 1: have one from the Mac trade. Yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 1: they'll have some. They appear to be in pretty good
Speaker 1: shape because I also got the third easiest schedule in
Speaker 1: the NFL for the rest of the year. Well, the
Speaker 1: AFC is if the Cowboys were in the AFC, the
Speaker 1: narrative would be so much different. Or I mean, like
Speaker 1: where the Jets are you mean, like in that division?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the Jets are in the Age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they lost to a bad Jets team. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I can't stack up the stack up the AFC in
Speaker 1: the NFC and tell me which field you'd rather be
Speaker 1: competing against I get it so well. Since we're in
Speaker 1: the coaching topic, let's go ahead and switch it to
Speaker 1: the defense side of things. People keep asking back and forth,
Speaker 1: Chris R. Shar Rot, Mary Nelly, what is the dynamic there?
Speaker 1: Why have we again? You can't compare one team from
Speaker 1: last year to this necessarly, but there's still a comparison
Speaker 1: there due to the fact of the same kind of
Speaker 1: group of people. How do you think that there has
Speaker 1: been a difference there between that relationship and who has
Speaker 1: a bigger voice in the room now this year? I
Speaker 1: don't think so, not really. I think that there's a
Speaker 1: good understanding of that. UM. I know this is the
Speaker 1: first year that Chris Richard has kind of taken over
Speaker 1: as the voice to the media. To you know that
Speaker 1: that's happened this year. This year with the it'll happen
Speaker 1: here in about thirty minutes when the coordinators talk, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a sign of how good their relationship is.
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli, He's he's been the DC in a variety
Speaker 1: of places forever. He's given more interviews than you could count.
Speaker 1: He was the head coach of a team and Troy
Speaker 1: Detroit Yeah sixteen, Yeah, he had to deal with that
Speaker 1: during an O and sixteen season. He knows that Chris
Speaker 1: Rochard wants to be a head coach and that you
Speaker 1: need that type of experience like he's having. Chris Rashard
Speaker 1: talked to the media as training like you need this
Speaker 1: if if you're going to take that step. I think
Speaker 1: it's a good sign of the friendly and you know,
Speaker 1: respectful nature of their relationship. I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: trauma there at all. I think, I mean, the defense
Speaker 1: is just so hard to figure out because their their
Speaker 1: stats suggest that they're they're one of the best against
Speaker 1: the run, against the past, not giving up a lot
Speaker 1: of points. But it hasn't been enough. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: enough to get up five and four records. But that's
Speaker 1: the funny thing, is like, and you know, we've had
Speaker 1: this conversation too, Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they're still not like horrendous, you know, Like, I mean
Speaker 1: you can watch the Lions, like the Cowboys aren't thirtieth
Speaker 1: in the league. They're not bad. But it's the nature
Speaker 1: of this thing that when you lose games, you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Roshard was the most popular man in Cowboy Nation.
Speaker 1: All of last year, like and and a lot of
Speaker 1: people still do of him, and I still think he's
Speaker 1: a good coach. But when things aren't going well, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: something must have changed. He sucks now, like he must
Speaker 1: him and Rod must hate each other or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: or yeah, you just look for reasons or it's just
Speaker 1: the nature of the NFL. I mean, Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: this is his second year, last year as a linebacker,
Speaker 1: and it was the first for Layton Vanders. They're going
Speaker 1: to get better. And Byron Jones first year as a
Speaker 1: corner makes All Pro second team. He's gonna get better.
Speaker 1: Cheeto is gonna get better that they got Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get better. And that's that's what hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: They're not bad. They're just not better than what they
Speaker 1: were last year. And you all the signs pointed that
Speaker 1: they would be and should be, but they're just not
Speaker 1: clearly better. They're just kind of but not your phone
Speaker 1: not even charging, it's just it's holding its charge. It's
Speaker 1: just not up to That's so great. I love that.
Speaker 1: That's what it is like when you, like you plug
Speaker 1: your phone in for fifteen minutes and you'd come back
Speaker 1: expecting it to be twenty thirty percent higher and you're like,
Speaker 1: what the hell, it only bumped up. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: that's sitting. Maybe had a backcourt and he stopped charging
Speaker 1: for like a second, and now you're down to thirteen percent.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, even when you compared to last year,
Speaker 1: they're they're not playing bad, but it's just not. The
Speaker 1: plays are not as explosive as they were, Like the
Speaker 1: expectation was elite. They are root. We're going to keep
Speaker 1: the phone analogy what this whole team is done. You
Speaker 1: know when it's crazy when when you have a charger
Speaker 1: that's like it's on, but it doesn't. Yeah, the mechanisms working, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it is charging if you hold it like this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what the team is. It's like we
Speaker 1: should you should do what podcasting? That's great, that's I
Speaker 1: love that, And now there's nothing to further it even more,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing more frustrating. Then when you're like, well,
Speaker 1: if I've been the charger this way, I get some
Speaker 1: juice and if I don't, then hate that. You're just
Speaker 1: it's the worst, Like what you're doing. You're like, I'm
Speaker 1: just charging with from like, well, maybe you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's November fifteenth and it's windy outside, so maybe they'll
Speaker 1: play better. But they're not Newton Blue Jersey saying Nate said,
Speaker 1: it's the blue jersey's fault that they lost the other night.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe. What do you say though, So you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, we don't wear blue with the crib. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe that a pro Bowl player blamed a loss
Speaker 1: on the jersey. Eight Speaking of Nate, they're coming up here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're coming up next hanging with the boys, so make
Speaker 1: sure to stay put and join them. They always have
Speaker 1: a fun time over there, so that's always a fun show. Now,
Speaker 1: that is all the time we have for today. Is
Speaker 1: there something else you want to say? They I just
Speaker 1: I love that analogy so much. Like the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: a faulty cell phone. That's exactly what they are. That's
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Given all the money that they make, you
Speaker 1: should be able to buy a good working charger. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for Nickiman, David Hellman, remember your sea.
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