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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. So, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: a little different this time. I'm gonna introduce everybody. We're

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Speaker 1: doing Spanish, but see we're gonna do it in Spanish.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna talk about Donnie Baker first, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go Usually the sequence of the Bear Grease Render

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Speaker 1: is introduced me Bull with chit chat, with small talk,

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Speaker 1: and and then we like fight off the deep desire

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Speaker 1: to talk about the thing we're all here to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But we're not going to do that today. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: dive right in. I do have a very This is

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Speaker 1: a great crew. This is this is an exciting crew

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Speaker 1: to have multiple everybody's all been here, but it's not

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Speaker 1: the standard crew. I've got to my left Brent Reeves

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Speaker 1: and in the building is whaling the Wonder Dog Whaling, Jennings,

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Speaker 1: Tree and Walker.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just got back from Kansas. He was treating Kansas coons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Whalon and Brent are here, doctor miss newkom

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Speaker 1: So great to have you. Good to be here, yes,

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Speaker 1: last Yeah, it's long story, but you're here.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Yes to your to your left, my neighbor, hero and

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Speaker 1: national Pastured Poultry Icon Terrell Spencer, also known as Spence,

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Speaker 1: my neighbor. Good to have your brother.

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Speaker 3: Can I just help for a second. It's pastured.

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Speaker 4: These are not spiritual ministry to the chickens.

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Speaker 3: They're not pastored.

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Speaker 1: They are not pastored poultry, past poultry. You know I have.

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Speaker 1: I have a former background in pastured poultry media.

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Speaker 5: Chicken feeds the World.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we made a film years ago about pastor poultry. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: American Pastured Poultry Producers. It's a mouthful, it's a mouthful.

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Speaker 1: Spence is also at one time was the National Rooster

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Speaker 1: Calling Champion of the a p p p A. It's

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Speaker 1: recently been the title has been stripped from him, given

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Speaker 1: to Yes. This is a little bit outside the rails

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Speaker 1: of what we're here to talk about today. That's TERRYL.

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Speaker 1: Spencer to TERRYL. Spencer's laft Man. It's like Stack. This

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Speaker 1: is like the Dream Team. This is like nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Magic, Johnson's Bird Keem Elijah Wan. We have

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Speaker 1: Joe Wilson with us.

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Speaker 6: I'm here, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I've got to introduce you, like if you're in this room,

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Speaker 1: like there's your life is much bigger than this, but

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Speaker 1: there's like one thing that's connected to you. Joe Wilson

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Speaker 1: of the World Championship Squirrel cookoff Man.

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Speaker 6: I also live at the Squirrel Dairy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you live at the Squirrel Dairy.

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Speaker 6: We got to talk about Donnie Baker.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got questions squirrel, mostly about technique.

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Speaker 6: Coming down the tree.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know what.

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Speaker 1: They say about Mammelian you can anything. Yep, there you

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Speaker 1: go to your laugh.

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Speaker 8: My friend, how can you follow that up?

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Speaker 1: James Brandenburg, Arkansas, Yeah, yeah, in Spanish head of Arkansas

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Speaker 1: for sake of clarity and simplicity, founder of the Black

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Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza, which isn't entirely true. But you have a

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Speaker 1: great team around you. We have a great team around

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Speaker 1: You're a part of the founding. I'm of the black.

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Speaker 8: We'll go with that part of the founding for sure.

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Speaker 1: No, James James has uh he's been on He was

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Speaker 1: on the Old Bear Honting magazine podcast. And Uh, I

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Speaker 1: like to talk at James. That's what James is like

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Speaker 1: a good face. He gives good James is like a

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't know it by looking at him. You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know by looking at this humble man. Uh No, I'm kidding, no,

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Speaker 1: but for real, James's high level business exec in the

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Speaker 1: India next week for real. Uh, great to have you,

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Speaker 1: thank you sir. But I was getting at why I

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Speaker 1: what a rabbit trail. People that are really good in

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Speaker 1: He's also a good talker.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes he's also.

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Speaker 1: A good talker.

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Speaker 1: And my name's Clay nukem.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 1: So Donnie Baker, we're gonna we're gonna do the order

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Speaker 6: My impression is as I sent Brent Reeves a message

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Speaker 6: the other day, telling this was your best work. Huh.

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Speaker 6: Everything leading up to this was fantastic, great history, amazing stories.

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Speaker 6: But this story I think went way deeper than a

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Speaker 6: I thought it was fantastic. You did a great job.

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Speaker 6: Donnie Baker could be my friend any day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's That's what. There's so many parts of

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Speaker 1: this story in the same way really that the listener did. Like,

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Speaker 1: this is not a story that I grew up with.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know Donnie. I knew very little about his

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Speaker 8: And they all had to be there to get him

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Speaker 8: there's way, way, way more to it.

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Speaker 8: And when he said that in the first episode, Clay

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Speaker 1: had committed an egregious wildlife crime, and at the end

440
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Speaker 1: of that everyone felt sympathy for the poacher. How do

441
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: you justify this?

442
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 6: I got you.

443
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: Do you hear what you're saying? I mean, like if

444
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: you were an alien from another planet and you looked

445
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: in my head and you looked at my life. I

446
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: had never had an outlaw stage like I've broken the law.

447
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: I never I had a guy tell me the other day.

448
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: He said he didn't know me, and he said, Clay,

449
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: you're fascinated with the poachers. Either you're an old poacher

450
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: or you were so not a poacher that you're peering

451
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: into this realm with like a lot of curiosity. And

452
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to paint myself like a saint, but

453
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean I never did stuff on purpose illegally ever,

454
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: even being exposed at a high level to hunting in

455
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: rural America when everybody around me was. I say that

456
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: to say, if you looked inside my an alien could

457
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: scan my head.

458
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 6: I'm kind of an alien, okay, And.

459
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Why so, how can we justify this because the only

460
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've got very little criticism for this public,

461
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, and how much criticism actually reaches you is

462
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate. Like we just have these platforms that

463
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: people can communicate. But I've had some people say you

464
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: were glamorizing poaching.

465
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Speaker 6: Let me say, I would like to say that it

466
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 6: was a human story, but for a listener, I think

467
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 6: we listened to it as a as Americans, and as

468
00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 6: Americans you've showcased it throughout your entire three season whatever.

469
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 6: How that outlaw, the frontiersman, the guy who's going to

470
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 6: take a risk, the chance, all of that. That's a

471
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 6: very American thing. I'm sure other countries have those kinds

472
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 6: of people, but as Americans, we like to see suffering

473
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 6: and learn from it. Whether it's in sports, the guy

474
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 6: that pushes the extra mile. You know, you look at

475
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 6: those marathon guys and maybe they're just struggling to get

476
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 6: over the line. We admire those people that struggle. I

477
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 6: will be the first one to say I don't believe

478
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: you find success without suffering. I think that if you

479
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 6: don't suffer as a small business person, you're probably not

480
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 6: going to have a successful business. It's real hard for

481
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 6: us to look at people who are born with wealth

482
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 6: and think that they earned something. We want to see

483
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 6: them suffer. It gives them some street cred, you know.

484
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 6: And so as an alien looking down at Clay, my

485
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 6: opinion would be that story taught us how to do

486
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 6: things right. We've listened to his whole spiel. We feel

487
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 6: like we know this guy. I don't know what he

488
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 6: looks like. When I first heard Donnie Baker, I was

489
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: thinking of the comedian with man Donnie something else.

490
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't have been awesome if that was Donnie.

491
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 6: I think Donnie probably looks like all of us, you know.

492
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 6: I think his day to day activities are like all

493
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 6: of us, and we learned that don't be like Donnie

494
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: in that one instance. But if you can recover from

495
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 6: sacrifice like Donnie did, that's a that's a high price

496
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: right there.

497
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: Well, if I understand the story right, if I was

498
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: listening to all the the legal issues part of it.

499
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: Thing he did was shoot that deer you u yeah,

500
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: zone in the wrong spot because it was during deer season.

501
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 7: He did with archery legal archery tackle.

502
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah, he had a right to hunt

503
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: on the base.

504
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, so it was just one spot, so I

505
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 7: mean that is just one.

506
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Well, and then and then illegal falsification of where he

507
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: killed it, which was big. So there's two major.

508
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: Correct But as far as the act of what he

509
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: did off shooting that deer, the only thing he did

510
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: wrong was he was in the wrong spot.

511
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 7: But he knew it.

512
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm just saying it wasn't like you talk

513
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: about intent and all that stuff. And he didn't do

514
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: it at night. He wasn't with a rifle on top

515
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: of the building.

516
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Like there's been a little misk, a little misunderstanding with

517
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: some people, and I've heard it enough times that it's

518
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: worth clarifying. People have heard me say Donnie didn't have intent,

519
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, yeah he did. He shot a

520
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: deer with his bow. He didn't just sling an air

521
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: into the woods and accidentally hit it. It would have

522
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: been better if I said pre med take it and

523
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I and I said, basically, I was saying intent matters,

524
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, but there's no, there's no, not even

525
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: a debate that premeditated intent matters with punishment. In the

526
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: murder one murder two. We know that's from our nineteen

527
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: nineties rap days, right, Misty, I thought you're gonna say

528
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: law and order, Well, law and order, but also following,

529
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, probably more law and order.

530
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: We got a lot of questions about Clay nukemb.

531
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 7: Now I'm not versed on the gates.

532
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: It explains the two.

533
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Murder one murder.

534
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 8: Too, Clay.

535
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 7: I thought it was.

536
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 8: I thought it was some of the criticism that was, like,

537
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 8: you're glorifying poaching and law breaking, and I don't. I

538
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 8: don't understand that point of view because there was nothing

539
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 8: that was glorified about out the illegal thing that Donnie did, right.

540
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like we were saying this is

541
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: cool exactly.

542
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 5: It.

543
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 8: I think we were invited as listeners to have empathy

544
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 8: for what he had gone through. We were also invited

545
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 8: to put ourselves in his shoes and think about times

546
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 8: when we had been tempted and how had we reacted.

547
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 8: And it could have been you know, whether you were

548
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 8: tempted to poach or tempted to you know, knock a

549
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 8: couple of strokes off your score on a certain golf hole,

550
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 8: or you know, whatever the case is going to be, right,

551
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 8: you're always presented with temptation, and you know the magnitude

552
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 8: of the sin, so to speak, or the transgression. Yeah,

553
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 8: probably kind of informs how you react and what you

554
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 8: do and things like that. But there was nothing glorifying

555
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 8: about the conversation at all. And and that's what you know,

556
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 8: I think. I think anybody who listens hopefully to this

557
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 8: render and had made the decision not to listen to

558
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 8: those two podcasts because it was glorifying poaching, yeah, I

559
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 8: would just I would just ask them to listen to

560
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 8: it from the standpoint of trying to learn something about

561
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 8: yourself and about humanity, almost like you're having a mirror

562
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 8: held up to yourself, because I think that's what you

563
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 8: really did with with these is you kind of held

564
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 8: a mirror up to all of us and said, give

565
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 8: yourself a look and and think about what you would

566
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 8: do in the situation, or remember that time in your

567
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 8: life when you were attempted, and did you did you

568
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 8: live up to what you what you wanted to do,

569
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 8: could you have done better? Are you doing better? I mean,

570
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 8: that's this is all stuff that I've kind of ye

571
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 8: taken away from it. So it really that that one

572
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 8: piece of criticism that I saw, I think that you're

573
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 8: talking about of you know, it is glorifying law breaking.

574
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 8: I just I don't think that was right.

575
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 6: I don't want to say too much because tax season

576
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 6: is just around the corner.

577
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 5: Behind it.

578
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 7: Now.

579
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I think what people would say, well, what what.

580
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: Is?

581
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: Well, there's kind of a philosophy, and it would be

582
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: clear is that you know, nobody knew Donnie Baker's name

583
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: before this and now they do, so that would be

584
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: glorifying a poacher. But the way, you know, I got

585
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: to give credit to my buddy Steve Vanella in some ways,

586
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: not directly for Donnie Baker. He didn't know anything about

587
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: it before it happened and whatnot. But but years ago

588
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I remember asking Steve about some controversial stuff, stuff that

589
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: I've done that actually made the air. And for instance,

590
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: in the Warner Glendale I brought up a little bit

591
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: about the border wall. We were hunting right on the

592
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: Mexican border. We were like looking at the border wall.

593
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: We were finding immigration, illegal illegal, evidence of illegals, all

594
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: just strown over the landscape. And I was like, hey,

595
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't talk about this, right And he was like,

596
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: why not? You talked about it we were down there hunting,

597
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: didn't you. And I was like, yeah, it's like all

598
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: we talked about, and he was like, talk about it.

599
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

600
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Several other times. I messaged Ranella one time and said, Hey,

601
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: is it okay if I play a clip of of

602
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: Alabama governor that was the lead racist in the world

603
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: for a while, George Wallace and his infamous speed each

604
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: about segregation forever, Like I put it in there, and

605
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: then I was like, holy cow, I'm broadcasting George Wallace's voice.

606
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm literally a message Renela and said can I put

607
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: that on there? And he was like, why wouldn't you?

608
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: It's part of the story. It's building, I mean, and

609
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: he obviously knew that it was gonna tear that down.

610
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: That gave me the confidence to stand in a story

611
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: like this and just be like, hey, this is just

612
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: the way it happened.

613
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 8: There's there's too much effort right now in our society

614
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 8: to cleanse and strip difficult conversations, difficult things from our

615
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 8: past or difficult things from today. We have to be

616
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 8: able to sit together and talk about whatever that shue

617
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 8: is some bad stuff and it can be whatever.

618
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 5: I mean.

619
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 8: You have to be able to be in a place

620
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 8: to compare and contrast, to think critically about what's going on.

621
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 8: We have to teach our kids how to do this.

622
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 6: Gott to enjoy liberty exactly.

623
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Joe.

624
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 6: You don't have liberty. You don't have freedom.

625
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 8: That's right, that's right.

626
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 6: Your liberty to showcase a story right or wrong, that's liberty, man.

627
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 7: That's what.

628
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's how we're sitting in this room.

629
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: That's really the philosophy of the guy who was like,

630
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have told this story, is like, that's a no,

631
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: no story and we don't need to talk about it.

632
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: And in his mind, as you know, and and and honestly,

633
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's some credence to that in the sense

634
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: of that's in the in the zeitgeist, it's in the

635
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: atmosphere because I picked it up, like, hey, this is risky.

636
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Nobody else is talking about stuff like this, but I

637
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: talk about it all the time when the MIC's not on.

638
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I talk about it? Now?

639
00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 7: You know?

640
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: And and I'm learning that those are stories that that

641
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: are usually really impacting and and and profitable if they're

642
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: told in the right way, you know.

643
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 8: And personally profitable, like internally profitable, because you.

644
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: Could be economically profitable.

645
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 8: Your censors over here.

646
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.

647
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

648
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 5: But also just like if you look at the law

649
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: as the mechanism for building morality, that that's not how

650
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: life works, right, it's community. Like the hardest thing he

651
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 5: was nothing. It was going and telling his dad. It

652
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: was telling all those folks that drove around that base

653
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 5: he lost his dream job. And hey, I went to

654
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: basic training, I went to be knock there. I spent

655
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 5: a good chunk of my military career at Fort leonard Wood.

656
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: Did you see that book?

657
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 5: No? But I knew that gas station that but yeah,

658
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, it's like he lost his dream job.

659
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 5: And if you feel like he kind of got like

660
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: maybe hosed on that situation like that, that's where like

661
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 5: the chemical defense training facility, they got like chemical weapon

662
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 5: precursors and not being able to stay out of places

663
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 5: you're not supposed to. The MP's had every right. I mean,

664
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: that's a that's a millet. It's Fort leonard Wood. It's

665
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 5: not hunting place leonard Wood. Yeah, it's it's not a

666
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: no no, and so they you know, but like with community,

667
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: when my kid, one of my kids was horsing around

668
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: on a four Wheeler and he went on the County

669
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: road last year or down on the street and he

670
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 5: got hit and it just about killed him. And you know,

671
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 5: he was fine. I mean, he was in a lot

672
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 5: of pain and he was really really bad hurt, paramedics,

673
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 5: police all that around him. And he lost it when

674
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: I walked up, because he was more scared of me

675
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 5: than anything going. And it's because he knew he'd elated

676
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: my trust in the first It wasn't anything like, you know,

677
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: I may never use my arm again or all that.

678
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: It was just I'm sorry, Like that was the first

679
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: and he was in kind of a life or death situation,

680
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: like the the community aspect, and and I'm outside of

681
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 5: the hunting community, but I have a one of my

682
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: young men is boldly like eagerly stepping. But that guy,

683
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: you know, he's in it, and so like outside of

684
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 5: the community, what makes your community stronger is talking about

685
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 5: this and realizing the shame that comes with it. The

686
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: the the the worst part is having to go and

687
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: say I did this, like I cheated?

688
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Did you hear when he said that he was in

689
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: the hospital after that broke leg and the nurse recognized

690
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: him as and the guy that had killed the huge deer,

691
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: but she thought he killed it. She didn't know he

692
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: killed it illegally. He's he's got a broke leg in

693
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: the emergency room, and he tells her, yeah, but I

694
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: killed it illegally.

695
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 5: And even that, like he felt that need.

696
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Like he almost brought it up in the voiceover, almost

697
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: wanted to go, hey, did y'all hear that?

698
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

699
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told the nerd, Like he could have just

700
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, it was awesome and been a hero.

701
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: That's what she presented it as, Hey, you're the guy

702
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: that killed a big buck.

703
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, but before you set that leg, I'm

704
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 5: actually a fraud. Yeah, you know. It's so there's something there,

705
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 5: like the one hundred and forty one dollars. I actually

706
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: think the way it worked out is more powerful than

707
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 5: while they took your guns in your truck. Yeah, it

708
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 5: seemed because of the human impact, because then you would

709
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: feel like, well, he's been through enough, but just that

710
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: having to go back losing his job in a poverty

711
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: stricken area. That's not like that's right, I'm poverty stricken.

712
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 5: But you know, like if that's a rural area, there's

713
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 5: not a lot of good jobs. I get a good job. Yeah,

714
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 5: so I think I don't think he got off easy.

715
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Okay, the the the white mast down in the room,

716
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: was the one hundred and fourteen dollars? Fine, any any

717
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: comments on that, Like, do y'all that that probably wouldn't

718
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: have happened today? I don't think.

719
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 8: I don't. I kind of disagree, really, because I thought

720
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 8: a lot about this over the last couple of days.

721
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 8: I think, I mean, after saying everything I've already said,

722
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 8: I kind of hesitate to say it this way, but

723
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 8: I think that's I don't think they knew exactly what

724
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 8: he'd done until he confessed, Okay, Yeah, and so that's

725
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 8: all they had.

726
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: Would you thought that if I hadn't said it?

727
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 8: It took me. I mean I've listened to that second

728
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 8: podcast three times and I only thought of this this Morning's.

729
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Why James is here. Thank you James. So those numbers.

730
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 8: You're checking the mail? I I think they they knew

731
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 8: that buck belonged. I mean, everybody knew that, Bucky, So

732
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 8: they knew that. We know you didn't kill that buck

733
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 8: over there. He can't figure out anything else. Maybe, And

734
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 8: I mean I'm putting words in these guys mouth, right,

735
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 8: so I don't know for sure, but I I honestly

736
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 8: you asked the question, would he have gotten a bigger fine,

737
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 8: not if they would have not, if they would have

738
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 8: offered him like, hey, you know you need to plead

739
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 8: guilty to this, and this is what the fine is

740
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 8: going to be.

741
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so if you think they'd have said, they

742
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: might have r guilty and we're gonna we're gonna find

743
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: you ten thousand dollars, like they would have known he

744
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it.

745
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 8: They would have known, they would have had more. I

746
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 8: think they would have had more on him.

747
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: They would have had to have had more on it.

748
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Well that I agree. Yeah, you're the law enforcement guy.

749
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree. And I say that from I'm

750
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: a standpoint that I don't. I haven't seen that case file.

751
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: But judging by everything that was said, and that's what

752
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: that's the story that we have.

753
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 7: To go with.

754
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: And knowing what I know about law enforcement and interviews

755
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: and people.

756
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: You said that the first time, the very first you

757
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: tell you, when I even just told you about the story, Brent.

758
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 7: Said, yeah, they didn't have him.

759
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not this I'm not saying anything toward

760
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: the investigators that they didn't do a good job.

761
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 7: Sometimes you don't have much.

762
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 8: Well, they had two weeks. They had been working on

763
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 8: it for like two weeks. Right, he had been gone

764
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 8: somewhere else, right, and then when he came back, they

765
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 8: wanted to talk to him. So I'm with Brent, like,

766
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 8: it's nothing against them.

767
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 7: Oh, it's just sometimes you the clues ain't there.

768
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 6: I know it's probably something more important going on. Yeah,

769
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 6: crimes against humans. Yeah, and that that could sound negative

770
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 6: to the outdoor world. But that same deer could have

771
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 6: tried crossing the road and got run over and no

772
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 6: one would have cared about it. Someone would have said,

773
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 6: do you see that big old deer dad on the

774
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 6: side road? Law enforcement has a lot to do now.

775
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 6: I say that with you asked if the one hundred

776
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 6: and fourteen dollars was significant. I don't think most of

777
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 6: us in the outdoors knows where that money goes. You know,

778
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 6: I know where it goes here in the state of Arkansas.

779
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: If you receive a fine that goes to the school

780
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 6: district in the county that you.

781
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Use while life finds the money goes directly and.

782
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 6: Which is a phenomenal system, and that system is put

783
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 6: into play so that way people don't think that the

784
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 6: game ORNs just out to meet a quota and to

785
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 6: get them. It's to put a human side to the

786
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: to the game order that he's protecting wildlife. I think

787
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 6: that's a huge deal. I wish we knew where fines

788
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 6: went to in all aspects of law and order.

789
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 7: But I just want to make sure.

790
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: I just want to to be clear when I say,

791
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: regardless of if they had him or not, I don't

792
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: personally think they did. But sometimes you have to go

793
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: with what you have to get a conviction, you know,

794
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: if when all things are come down and you know,

795
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: but you don't know as an investigator, when you know,

796
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: I know Clay did it. I know he did it,

797
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: but I can't prove that he did it. The rest

798
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: of that falls on Clay to either fess up and

799
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: cleanse his soul and try to do right by what

800
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: he did wrong. And that's what I like about this story,

801
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: because that guy did it and he didn't have to.

802
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: I really, I really don't think he did.

803
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: I said it, and I hesitated to bring the Missouri

804
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Department of Conservation into it, but in some ways I

805
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: felt like I owed it to them for sure. And

806
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: then I also think I owed it to the listener.

807
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: I reached out to those guys and they were fantastic.

808
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I just glowing praise for the Missouri Department

809
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: of Conservation. It just wasn't possible to talk to the

810
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: game wardens that did the case. These guys are still active,

811
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: still working, they're not retired, and it's just not in

812
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: their job description to talk to podcasters.

813
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 5: From another state.

814
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it like, I got it. I wanted

815
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: to talk to those guys. Yeah, for what I was doing,

816
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: that would have made the most sense to sit down

817
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: with someone and be like, dude, did you know Donnie

818
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: did it? And that's just not the way it worked.

819
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: I was contacted though, by a very high level official

820
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: in the I mean he called me on my cell phone.

821
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't know about the Burger Ease podcast.

822
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: He didn't know who I was.

823
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: For real.

824
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I was just a dude that he was calling that

825
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: had asked about this crime committed in two thousand and nine.

826
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: And he called me multiple times and talked to me

827
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: about Donnie and offered to be a guest on the

828
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: Beargrease and I it just didn't fit inside like this

829
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: guy actually like he he was not. He didn't know

830
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: about the case previously. I mean, you know, not everybody

831
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: knows every single poaching violations that's happened in their state

832
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: in the last thirty years. So he didn't know about it.

833
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: He learned about it by reading about it and by

834
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: talking to the guys that were part of it. And

835
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: so I just didn't feel like it would make a

836
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: whole lot of sense.

837
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 8: It would have, it would have changed the story. It

838
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 8: wouldn't have changed the nature of the story if you

839
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 8: if you had had.

840
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 5: Got a he just offered.

841
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: I just I just had to make an editorial decision

842
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: to not include it in anyway. I just give so

843
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: much credit to them, and I I hope they're not

844
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: I hope they're not upset with me.

845
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 5: I mean, they had like five guys. I mean, as

846
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: a as a layman here I did. I left depression

847
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: and with the impression they're very serious about deer because

848
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: they have five guys working at When my four wheeler

849
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 5: was stolen, I could barely get one county shirt. But

850
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: deer is a big deal in Missouri. Thought four wheeler

851
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 5: theft is not.

852
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: But you know, it's one of the It sounded like

853
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 6: Donnie's wife was. She's a She's a big part of

854
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 6: the lighter end of this episode and that struggle with cancer,

855
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 6: the willingness to go and try and alternate medicine, anything

856
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 6: to survive, which I'm a fan of that whole realm

857
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 6: as well. But uh, for her to come from a

858
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 6: stage four cancer, go and remission, come back and catch

859
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 6: it again. You know the people we didn't hear from

860
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 6: were those boys, And you think about the sacrifice leads

861
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 6: to success. Those boys are gonna be some tough kids.

862
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 6: You know. They've went through a whole bunch and they

863
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 6: probably idolized their dad. They watched him fail, and it's

864
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 6: super important that he succeeds to give those kids a crutch.

865
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 6: They obviously the mom was there and responsible for the

866
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 6: kids all the time while Donnie was out jacking around.

867
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 6: They lost their mom.

868
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 7: Uh.

869
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 6: It's it's an amazing story, man. It pulls at every

870
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 6: heart string that you could you could pull that. I

871
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 6: never knew that you were going to be like the

872
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 6: Oprah Winfrey of the outdoors.

873
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: Uh check under your chair.

874
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about how about the wedding dress and the

875
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: story that story that that was, and I'm talking about

876
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: where they tried out this dog they couldn't afford, and

877
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: she loved it so much that she said that the

878
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: money that I got saved up from my wedding dress, we'll.

879
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 7: Buy that dog. And they did. And man, that was that.

880
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: It hit me right in the old fields when I

881
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: was already getting them punched up pretty good.

882
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 7: But to me, that is an.

883
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: Absolute demonstration of pure love. That she was giving up

884
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: something that she had probably dreamed about as a little girl,

885
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: but something that no one was she going to get,

886
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: but she was going to share that with her husband.

887
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 7: Man, that was that was true.

888
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: And how that dog became this thread that their family

889
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: traveled all over and they brought their bulls. I mean

890
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: that was such a big part of their boys life.

891
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: That dog lived fifteen years, just died like last year.

892
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: I think you said her years ago.

893
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, just yeah, recently.

894
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: But that was something to always talk about, tangible things

895
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: that you can reach out and hold. And they could

896
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: pick up that dog that their mama had, that their

897
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: mama loved, that, the that their mama was the reason

898
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: that thing was in their their home.

899
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 7: That's gotta be a lot of connections.

900
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 6: This is This is one of those you know, we

901
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 6: all of us in the outdoors, we try to think

902
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 6: about how we could bridge a gap to get to

903
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 6: those who aren't in the outdoors, and out of all honesty,

904
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 6: it takes stories such as this to put kind of

905
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 6: the human side to the hunter.

906
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

907
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 6: And if you were going to share an episode of

908
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 6: bear Grease or a series of bear Grease to someone

909
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 6: who's outside of this broad circle, this would be the

910
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 6: one to share. And we need little pieces like this

911
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 6: to keep the big mission going.

912
00:51:50,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, how surprised were you? I looked

913
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: at the time stamps on this second episode and there

914
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: was twelve minutes left in a fifty six minute episode

915
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: before he started talking about Angela's cancer. Did it slip

916
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: up on you or was it foreshadowed enough? Because I'll

917
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: tell you going into it, I didn't know Donnie he

918
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: I think I knew that he was married and that

919
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: his wife had died, like I just somehow picked that

920
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: up from maybe maybe even Facebook, looking at his Facebook

921
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: or something, And so I didn't know that this was

922
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: going to come up like it wasn't like I came

923
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: in thinking we're going to talk about his wife. No.

924
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean I thought I was interviewing a guy about

925
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: killing the deer, and that's where it went. So I

926
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: was shocked. I mean, I'm sitting there just like, holy smokes.

927
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Is that the way it felt to you guys? I mean,

928
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: did you see that coming or no?

929
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 7: No, it looked like that. Yeah.

930
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 5: If I would have knew that was coming, that's where coming.

931
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 5: I was right there, just about to walk in the door.

932
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how the flowers before it's like, oh,

933
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: the prices are high. Yeah, that's an economy.

934
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 7: You're supposed to be able to talk about true things.

935
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: One the economy is actually pretty good.

936
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh.

937
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wondered how it because I didn't realize

938
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: when I look back at the timestamp, like it was

939
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: the last twelve minutes when it all when it all happened, I.

940
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: Knew it was coming. I was kind of surprised that

941
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: you hadn't when I actually because you told me how

942
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: long the podcast was. So I kind of had my

943
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 4: mind how And I thought, man, I think I'm almost

944
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: done with this thing, and I haven't heard I haven't

945
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: heard about his wife yet.

946
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

947
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was waiting for that part of the story.

948
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: So now did you know that was coming?

949
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 7: No?

950
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 8: I mean I thought you alluded to it in the

951
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 8: first episode that.

952
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: Oh I said he was a widower. Yeah, the first episode.

953
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: That's right, in the beginning, I said he was a widower,

954
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, the foreshadow

955
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: foreshadow man.

956
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a good storytelling though.

957
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, what was I going to say? The the

958
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I had something right on the tip

959
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: of my tongue and I got to thinking about it.

960
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: You ask him if he liked to eat squirrel? No,

961
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: he should come to the World Championship. You know, you

962
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: know who's who says he's probably gonna come. So the

963
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: black Bear Bonanza, Joe Wilson, Donnie Baker, Oh really.

964
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 7: Well we might.

965
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 6: We might need to get done sitting next Sprint Reeves

966
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 6: or something like that.

967
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 4: Judgency, let's not do that to Donny's so you can

968
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: wear one of thes and come to the other.

969
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 5: Squirrel.

970
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 7: Did you eat? Oh my gosh, you was all I

971
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 7: could hold.

972
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: Here's what I was gonna say. Here's what I was

973
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: going to say. The podcast just ends with with I

974
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: thought it was what I didn't what I didn't include

975
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: which I was a little bit torn, but but I

976
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: felt like from a I just felt like that story

977
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: ended the story. It was just like in kind of

978
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: people came to their own conclude, Like I didn't need

979
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: to sum it up with a v O of like

980
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: these are the conclude I usually would like. I usually

981
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: would be like, here's what we learned, here's there's you know,

982
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like that story told itself,

983
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: made his own gravy. But what I almost included was

984
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: about a two minute a minute section where he talked

985
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: about his life today and he has a really great

986
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: job and his family's doing well, and it's like things

987
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: are going going well for Donnie and and and uh

988
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: and he's actually, yeah, that's all.

989
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 7: That's all.

990
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad you included that in this because that was

991
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 2: one thing that I wondered. I wonder how he's doing now,

992
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: because I hope he's doing well, right, Yeah, And I

993
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: think that is a lot of closure for the folks

994
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: that are listening that, uh.

995
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 6: Because with that hope it gives somebody who did something wrong.

996
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, hope maybe maybe I can overcome it.

997
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, that I can overcome it.

998
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: Because he the dear thing is inconsequent Yeah, that's the

999
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: only reason. The only reason that is relevant is because

1000
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: we do an outdoor tem podcast. That's the you were

1001
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: there that all this all came about. I don't think

1002
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 2: it was coincidence. I don't think it was by chance.

1003
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: I think this story had needed to be told and

1004
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: the only thing that could light the fuse was the deer.

1005
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: Because the deer, to me, is is inconsequential to this story?

1006
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 7: Is anything.

1007
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: There's a guy there Instagram that said I've got a

1008
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: fever and the only thing that could cure it is

1009
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: more and that's Saturday night, Like yeah that When he

1010
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, I laughed. I don't know

1011
00:57:52,440 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: who it was. Good job Instagram person. Uh but.

1012
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 8: Back to black Beard bananza.

1013
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Back to the Black Bear bananza.

1014
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 8: No.

1015
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this backwards because I wanted us

1016
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: to talk about the Donniebacker episode before we finish off.

1017
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: There is there anything else? I mean, there's so much. Yeah,

1018
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: we could talk about well, we talked about intent, we

1019
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: talked about the fines. The whole fine thing is is

1020
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: important because that that would make if I didn't know

1021
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: this story and you told me a guy killed a

1022
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: big deer and got one hundred and fourteen dollars fine,

1023
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: I would be pounding the table saying injustice, and I

1024
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: believe that I just can't help but believe that today

1025
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: that would have been different.

1026
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 6: Might be.

1027
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 4: But also, I mean to their point, I think it's

1028
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 4: possible they didn't know that, like the egregious nature that he,

1029
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: you know, hauled it out of there.

1030
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah they did, Okay, Well, I mean I think, I mean, they.

1031
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: Knew something wasn't right.

1032
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 4: I think they knew he didn't kill it where he

1033
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 4: said he did. I don't think they knew he hauled

1034
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 4: it out. Do you see what I'm saying. I think

1035
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: that makes a little bit of a difference. True, Like

1036
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 4: I wondered if when they heard the whole story, if

1037
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 4: they were like, well, shoot, opportunity, we probably should have

1038
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 4: taken it, you know, Like I wondered if that if

1039
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 4: it would have been different.

1040
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: But they said, this is how we're going to respond.

1041
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 6: I don't know how you come up with what a

1042
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 6: proper fine is, because when I drive through the state

1043
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 6: of Missouri through a construction zone, there's a sign that

1044
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 6: says hit a roadwork or get a ten thousand dollars fine.

1045
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 5: Rush.

1046
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 6: I mean that kind of sounds cheap as well. Yeah, yeah,

1047
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: you know, so coming up with some sort of guideline

1048
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 6: on what you find somebody is we don't vote on that. Yeah,

1049
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 6: you know, it's not the people. I don't know who comes.

1050
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 6: The judicial system comes up with it, I guess, but

1051
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 6: it sounded love well.

1052
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: Today there's these poacher trophy fees, right, which are which

1053
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: just weren't that. I don't know when they started, but

1054
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago they certainly weren't as popular today. I

1055
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: would say probably every state has higher penalties for killing

1056
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: a bigger animal.

1057
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: Do you think that's to separate a guy who's hungry,

1058
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 6: who say, shot a deer, Yeah, because he needed food

1059
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 6: or to feed his family. He hits one hundred and

1060
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 6: fourteen dollars five. A guy that went out and shot

1061
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 6: a two hundred and four inch deer, he does well.

1062
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a response to the cultural

1063
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: frenzy and celebration of big animals, and we've valued big

1064
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: animals to such a degree. And I'm not saying it's wrong.

1065
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, and I think you could you

1066
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: could if we were standing before aliens who didn't live here.

1067
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: You can make a case that it's crazy, Yeah, but

1068
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: it's equivalent to cultural value because if Donnie Baker had

1069
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: killed he said it himself, I said it. If he'd

1070
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: killed one hundred and ten inch eight point like that,

1071
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be telling the story. We never would have

1072
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: known about it, and that wouldn't have been that big

1073
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: a deal because the deer was so big, and there's

1074
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: so much cultural value placed on antler size, and with

1075
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: what we've seen the craziness of what people will do

1076
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: to break the law to kill a big deer. I mean,

1077
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stories. Mister. You said

1078
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: something earlier that I want to touch on before we

1079
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: get to the Black Bear Bonanza on March ninth and

1080
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: bitten Ville, l Arkansas. Is you said that could Basically,

1081
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: you said that Donnie was different from like a standard

1082
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: poaching story, because part of me, if you give me criticism,

1083
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: I have thought about that criticism immensely before it probably

1084
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: ever popped into anyone's mind. I as I told this story,

1085
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I thought, could I go to any poacher in America

1086
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: and tell an appealing story about their life?

1087
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 6: Probably?

1088
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: Okay, well, but that's bad, Joe, I know, but it's

1089
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: the truth. You could well, but but that's where it's like, dude,

1090
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: am I just glorifying spinning a story? I did it

1091
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 1: with Louis Dell and Charlie. I mean, and again, they're

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: a great effect on all of us.

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Speaker 7: What's that not a great effect on all of us?

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01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't like that one. And and again I

1095
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: wasn't spinning the story. I was just telling it the

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01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: way I saw it, which was these guys I we

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: liked them, but there were also egregious poachers. I listened

1098
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: this week to a podcast that had a poacher on it,

1099
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: and uh, I was like, I couldn't help this guy.

1100
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: Like it made me realize how special Donnie was. I

1101
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: went to another podcast that had a guy that was

1102
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: telling a story and I was like, dude, there's no

1103
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: story there there. Yeah, there's no there there. There wasn't.

1104
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: It just made me feel confident that Donnie's story is

1105
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: pretty unique.

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01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 6: And you said, Donnie told his own story. You didn't

1107
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 6: have to coach him or anything. It wasn't like you

1108
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 6: were a defense attorney.

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: Folks to get the idea you said, there's no way

1110
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: you could help that guy. You need to explain that

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: you didn't go up there to help Donno, No, you

1112
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: went up there to let him tell he contacted you,

1113
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: yes about listening to us, and he wanted to he's

1114
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: here's a story.

1115
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it wasn't even like that. He just

1116
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: volunteered that story. Not he wasn't fishing for I think

1117
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: I honestly think the last thing on his that I

1118
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: was going to show up at his door, he just

1119
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: told me that he just gave he gave us a

1120
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: compliment on something we did, and he said, man, I

1121
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: identify I got in trouble years ago. And that's when

1122
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: I said, Hey.

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I want you to just put

1124
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: out there, that that you weren't trying to help him,

1125
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: you were just letting The.

1126
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Point of the whole story was that. I think Donnie's

1127
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: story is very unique. Yeah, you couldn't. You couldn't do

1128
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: that with.

1129
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 5: Most people's crimes don't eat at them like I mean

1130
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 5: that thing he reached out to you like that is

1131
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 5: a weird thing. It's because it was eating them up.

1132
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 7: Still.

1133
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there there's a there's there's cleansing and

1134
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 5: transparency and I think like maybe other people had forgiven him,

1135
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 5: but he still hadn't forgiven himself. Even hearing that telling

1136
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 5: that story, you can tell you that's still really a

1137
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 5: raw subject.

1138
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 8: There's a couple of points when when he and I

1139
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 8: don't remember what the questions were, but there were a

1140
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 8: couple of points. It's where he answered a question that

1141
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 8: you asked him, and I think he was coming to

1142
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 8: a realization on something. So he was definitely still processing.

1143
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: When I said it was ego, yeah, and he said,

1144
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I guess it was.

1145
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 5: He's like, I wanted to be everybody know I was

1146
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 5: a great I killed him because I wanted everybody who

1147
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 5: didn't think I was like a great white you know, most.

1148
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: People wouldn't admit that. No, I mean they we'd all

1149
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: know it, but they wouldn't have the guts to just

1150
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: like say that.

1151
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 5: You know.

1152
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 8: I think he's been thinking about it an awful long

1153
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 8: time to try to put sense to what he did

1154
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 8: and the outcomes from it. And and I can identify

1155
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 8: with that. I mean, there's things that I did when

1156
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 8: I was, you know, a teenager that I still think

1157
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 8: about and I'm like, what.

1158
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 5: Do you.

1159
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: Confession she'd a golf No, no, no, no, he killed

1160
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: the peregrine falcon with his driver on the button green

1161
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: a sparrow shot Randy Johnson.

1162
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 8: No, I I think that he's been wrestling with that

1163
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 8: stuff and and his had thought through a lot of

1164
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 8: it and had a lot of it figured out. But

1165
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 8: the few there was a few things there that you

1166
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 8: asked him that he you got him off, not to

1167
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 8: say off his game because that sounds bad. You made

1168
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 8: him think about something a little from a little different angle.

1169
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 8: And that's the point that that last thing that I

1170
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 8: wanted to say on the whole thing was that the

1171
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 8: reason why you can tell those stories about poachers or

1172
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 8: outlaws or you know, whatever it is, is because you

1173
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 8: don't bring it to us in a way of saying, hey,

1174
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 8: here's this cool guy. I listen to this cool story.

1175
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 8: You always bring it to us and you kind of

1176
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 8: walk us through different ways to think about it, different

1177
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 8: angles to think about it critically, and you leave it

1178
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 8: with us to decide how we feel about that particular story,

1179
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 8: you know. And I think that's a different way of

1180
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 8: doing it. So instead of you know, hey, Joe Smith,

1181
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 8: the Poacher's going to be on our podcast next week,

1182
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 8: you know you'd be sure and listen to it. Blah,

1183
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 8: blah blah. It's it's not told that way, and that's

1184
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 8: the refreshing part of what you do. And I'm not

1185
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 8: saying that so I can earn a spot back here

1186
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 8: for next week's episode to come back. I just think

1187
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 8: I'm I mean, I'm just trying to probably speak for

1188
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 8: those of us who are out there listening and appreciate

1189
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 8: the way that you do what you do, whether you're

1190
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 8: talking about going down the Mississippi River, you know, as

1191
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 8: Brent's cub pilot, or you know, telling somebody's difficult story.

1192
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 8: You know, I know it's pilot.

1193
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: All in the the Donnie Baker conversation with this statement,

1194
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: Donnie the I think the last thing that Donnie would

1195
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: want us all to think about him is that he

1196
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: is a saint even today. Like he didn't like there's

1197
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 1: a there's a version of the story and reason you

1198
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,919
Speaker 1: tell it and you and you make up this redemption

1199
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: story or not make it up. But but the but

1200
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: the end of it is like I'm different now, I'm

1201
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm so different. I would never do that again, you know,

1202
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: distance me from that. Donnie didn't really have that deep

1203
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: of clarity on the redemption side of it. In a

1204
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: way but when he told it. But when he told

1205
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: his story, we could see it. It's like, yeah, you're

1206
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: way different. And I say that to say, like, it's not.

1207
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: And there were parts of the interview that just weren't

1208
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: as relevant to keep on there like it's it's it's

1209
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,520
Speaker 1: not a fairy tale story of this, like clean transition

1210
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: from this bad guy to good guy.

1211
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 3: You know, I mean very if you're expecting that.

1212
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Donnie. Donnie would tell me, he said,

1213
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: Clay it, I wouldn't have been able to do this,

1214
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: maybe even like five years after this happened, he said,

1215
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: there was I was bitter. I was mad. I felt

1216
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: like they lied to me about my job.

1217
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:42,560
Speaker 5: You know.

1218
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: I was scrambling, like this is fifteen years later, after

1219
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff has happened in his life, after a

1220
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: long time of distillation that he's he's come to this conclusion.

1221
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: And the conclusion wasn't was not Clay I'm perfect today.

1222
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: I even tell told you, I said, he's had some

1223
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: what what I consider and somebody could debate me on it,

1224
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not even go into the details of it

1225
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 1: because I might punch them. Is what I would consider

1226
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: minor wildlife violations that could have happened to anybody that's

1227
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: happened to him, since I mean he's not an outdoor

1228
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: media He's not like he's not trying to. He's just

1229
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: a guy that just like loves hunting, very passionate, very

1230
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: skilled bowhunter. And I mean, Kyleie great story. Stuff happens,

1231
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: and so anyway, does that make sense?

1232
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 7: Is that okay? Yeah?

1233
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 5: And I think like for me, just kind of one

1234
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 5: of the parting things is this episode kind of shook me.

1235
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 5: It shook how I look at myself because you had

1236
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 5: a guy and he did this thing that just you know,

1237
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 5: looking back at it like that split season, you know,

1238
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 5: like he could have killed that deer many times, but

1239
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 5: then one day it was there and boom. And I

1240
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 5: look back at successes that I had in my life

1241
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 5: that I hold on to, and I'm like, you know,

1242
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 5: if that went a different way, like things that I'm

1243
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 5: proud of, you know, I'm like, I might not have

1244
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 5: done it that way. I could have done it like

1245
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 5: a dirtball and been a dirt ball like everybody else.

1246
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 5: And so I think one of the things that did

1247
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 5: for me is it really took my trust out of myself,

1248
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 5: like that I would always have that moral thing like

1249
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 5: you know, like that's not a given in any of

1250
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 5: our lives, Like you can't rest on your haunches that

1251
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 5: I'm a great guy like And it goes back to

1252
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 5: that phrase you started off with David and crouching at

1253
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 5: the door conscious and it's a warning. And I think

1254
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 5: that's why this is so powerful, because that you could

1255
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 5: be you could step into what he stepped at any

1256
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 5: time if you're not careful.

1257
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 4: I think about, like with your kids. One of the

1258
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 4: things we talked about when this first came out is

1259
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 4: you tell your kids don't go to the party, like

1260
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 4: don't be there, because you could say I'm not going

1261
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 4: to do this. But if you're where it's happening, you

1262
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 4: know you're you don't know in the right circumstances what

1263
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 4: you what you would do and all the regret that

1264
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 4: that will produce. So stay far away, stay stay in

1265
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 4: the stay in another building, and then you know, be

1266
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 4: a mile away from it. And because it's true, you

1267
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 4: don't And I think on the other on the this

1268
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 4: side of it, you know we're looking at this. It

1269
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 4: should produce humility for everybody, not just like you don't

1270
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 4: know what you would do, but also what you've done.

1271
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 3: You know who you you've We've all done stupid stuff.

1272
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 7: Yesterday.

1273
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: This has been a great, great conversation.

1274
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 8: Benville, Arkansas. Where is it that James at the Benton

1275
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 8: County Fairgrounds this year? So we're moving venues. We outgrew

1276
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 8: the Quail Barn, so we'll have two indoor settings. Our

1277
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 8: food trucks will still be outside, but our main show

1278
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 8: that people would be familiar with will be in one building.

1279
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 8: We've hired an event production company to help us with

1280
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 8: sound and video this year, so people will be able

1281
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 8: to see and hear what's going on much better good.

1282
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 8: So you know, we'll have you know, cooking demo and

1283
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 8: a deer butchering demo that you know, will have some

1284
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 8: video production to help out with so people can really

1285
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 8: see what's going on on that kind of stuff. And

1286
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 8: then of course we'll so.

1287
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: The the Black Bear Bonanza is the premiere premium bear

1288
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: hunting event in the nation.

1289
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 5: That's what it is. You're saying, it's a big deal,

1290
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 5: it is, And.

1291
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: And how much does it cost to get in?

1292
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 8: Like ten ten dollars for everybody thirteen and over, So

1293
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 8: twelve and hundred gets in free.

1294
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: Kids get in free.

1295
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 8: It's get in free.

1296
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: And Brent and I was about to say, Brent Nukleman,

1297
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: I br Brent Reeves and I will be there all day. Yep,

1298
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: just just hanging out and we're going to do a

1299
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: live bear grease render podcast there. There's going to be

1300
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: a the Arkansas bear biologists and other people from the

1301
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: Game and Fish are doing a presentation on Arkansas black bear.

1302
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 7: That's right.

1303
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of vendors there.

1304
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 7: Yep.

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: There's gonna be uh snakes there.

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 8: There will be snakes there. There's gonna be all kinds

1307
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 8: of stuff for kids to see and do and touch

1308
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,919
Speaker 8: and snakes.

1309
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: I was going to get to that nations Premiere olt

1310
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: Hooting contest. Let me say that again, the Nation's premiere

1311
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: ol hooting contest. One day we're gonna give away one

1312
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: day this year. One day we're going to give away

1313
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: a major prize.

1314
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 8: Now this year we're we're route, We're okay, So we're

1315
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 8: working on it. I doubt it's gonna happen this year,

1316
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 8: but we're working on it. We you know, we've talked

1317
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 8: about a particular kind of prize and there's a particular

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 8: uh kind of enterprise out there.

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: That could we be any more specific?

1320
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, but we all drove here today in trucks.

1321
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: I will give away Banjoe Newcomb to the winner of

1322
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,759
Speaker 1: the nineteen No, no, just know you won't.

1323
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 5: Brent.

1324
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 8: So, Brent's gonna MC the world famous Alhot contest that'll

1325
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 8: be in the middle part of the day.

1326
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 1: A little jealous.

1327
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 5: About that man? Where where would Clay place? Let me

1328
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 5: ask Brent, you're where would he play? Is he an elite?

1329
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 5: Is he?

1330
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 7: Oh? He's he's a He's a top tier out of tier.

1331
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reason that the reason that is because

1332
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 2: he's practiced. It's like anything, the more you practice, the

1333
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: better you get. Ten percent of the things that come

1334
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 2: out of this dude's head is an olt at any

1335
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: particular event, but.

1336
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 5: You don't get the real the qualit. The best olhats

1337
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 5: are in a basketball setting, and basketball, oh yeah, I'm

1338
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 5: sure on the hardwood that's where he's really at his own.

1339
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: Every time or Simon Spencer does a sweet move which

1340
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: happens all the time, which Simon Spencer is Spencer sun

1341
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: Well alhood as loud as I can, and Spence.

1342
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 7: Does his.

1343
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Opposing has no idea, what's happening.

1344
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: But we'll go to like real in north central Arkansas

1345
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 5: and do it and occasionally we get one back.

1346
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a joke any every How many games

1347
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: we had this year, Yeah, we had thirty games. I'm

1348
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: out hooted all one hundred times. Yeah, and then we

1349
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: go to some little four times five times per game.

1350
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 4: One of the mons asked me this week on our team,

1351
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 4: She said, can I put in a request for different animals?

1352
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 6: I was like, but you can put it in.

1353
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they can more.

1354
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 4: And we said, you know, I hope it doesn't embarrass y'all,

1355
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 4: you know when we show up to these things, and

1356
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: she said, oh no, it's not embarrassing, and with a

1357
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 4: totally straight place, she said, it was very surprising the

1358
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 4: first time, and we are.

1359
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: So pumped at the last game. At the last game,

1360
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: we were at the opposing team. We were at a

1361
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 1: stadium and there was a whole you know, one hundred

1362
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: and something people like, you know, sixty feet from us

1363
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: across the way. They never I never saw a parent

1364
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: get up, like stand up like they would just cloud

1365
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: like reasonable humans. I'm already fired up last time and

1366
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: Spence We're standing the entire game al hooting, yelling, high fiving.

1367
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 5: Gary is pumping. I went to Gary, I went Gary,

1368
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 5: hit him with the black panther.

1369
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: Call and he's like, man, you know the folks on

1370
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: the other side of the gym was like, what WoT.

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01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 5: You're not doing that the mermaids.

1372
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: But it's but it's not the alley, like are we

1373
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: playing the owl?

1374
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 7: Were playing the house.

1375
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: My dream is that one day when Shepperd Simeon like

1376
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: do something major, like everyone in the stadium will al

1377
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: hooting crow call my mom.

1378
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 3: I gotta tell this story and then we could do

1379
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: whatever we want.

1380
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 5: But going back to.

1381
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 4: From Jake, we were in a game a couple of

1382
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 4: weeks ago and it we are intense and shep was

1383
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 4: actually explaining to Simon.

1384
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 3: He's like, this is my grandma. Can you imagine the

1385
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 3: pressure that.

1386
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 4: Her watch asked a non conference, non important game, but

1387
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 4: her watch said are you okay? Because her heart rate

1388
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 4: was getting so out of control that they were like,

1389
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 4: whoa boy, what is going on with this?

1390
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 3: This is this is a yeah, this is this is

1391
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 3: his grandma.

1392
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 5: The best so is when we have we've got this

1393
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 5: rapidly urbanizing area with a lot of folks coming out

1394
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 5: of state in some school districts up told you allsway,

1395
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 5: and so we'll go there. And when we hit it there,

1396
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 5: the other team's players kind of like freezer. Yeah, they're

1397
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 5: not quite sure. It's just it's just a little discombobulating

1398
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 5: to be.

1399
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: In their life and here wildlife in the Dams James

1400
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: World Famous Alhoot.

1401
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 8: Famous Alhoot Contest at the Black Bourbonanza March ninth, Bent

1402
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 8: County Fairgrounds and Bentonville, Arkansas. It's from nine to five.

1403
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 8: We'd like people to buy tickets in advance. They buy

1404
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 8: tickets before February fifteenth, we're going to put him in

1405
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 8: a special drawing for a couple different rap prizes. They

1406
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 8: can go to www dot blackbear Bonanza dot com. It'll

1407
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 8: redirect them right to our website where they get the

1408
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 8: whole rundown on what's going on and they can buy

1409
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 8: their tickets. We also have added a little bit of

1410
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 8: camping this year. We got the option of the fair

1411
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 8: grounds have camping, nothing super fancy, so this is essentially

1412
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 8: gonna be primitive camping. We'll have Portajohn's on site. We're

1413
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 8: not gonna have there's some running water out there, and

1414
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 8: there's a few electric sites. But this is gonna be

1415
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 8: pretty basic. So don't don't come expecting like a total

1416
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 8: Woodstock festival HMP ground experience.

1417
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not you're familiar.

1418
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 5: With deal well, I don't know if you've with this

1419
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 5: mud we've had lately.

1420
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it could be well and and so I

1421
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 8: just you know, I don't want people to get too

1422
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 8: high of expectations. But we've had a request for that

1423
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 8: in the past, and so we've got that available this

1424
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 8: year as well.

1425
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 6: I kind of seen a sneak peek at one of

1426
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 6: the prizes.

1427
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the knife.

1428
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I say, you get your own owl.

1429
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: Now, I got to chances we could get a live

1430
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: bear there.

1431
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,480
Speaker 8: I mean, we need to talk to our bear biologist

1432
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 8: about that.

1433
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 5: We need a bear.

1434
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 6: Let that one they used to bring a bear to

1435
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 6: the Big but classic.

1436
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they sure did.

1437
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 5: Like a live bear.

1438
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, they used to have one down.

1439
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 5: That would be pretty cool. I'm in.

1440
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 6: So is there music or there will be?

1441
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 8: We're working on a little bit of music in the

1442
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 8: middle part of the day and then at the end

1443
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 8: of the day. And last year, Myron.

1444
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: The Arkansas bear biologist, incredible guy, fantastic banjo player. We

1445
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: played music. I'm not sure if we're going to play again,

1446
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be some music, trust me.

1447
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1448
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 8: So so we're working on a little bit of music.

1449
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 8: Our basic outline. The morning time will be all about

1450
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 8: our educational stuff, so kids come and see stuff and

1451
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 8: touch stuff. We're gonna have archery range. Umerax is bringing.

1452
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 8: They're gonna set up an air gun range for us,

1453
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 8: so kids can you know, get exposed to some of

1454
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. Of course, all the furs and

1455
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 8: game of fishes coming with their big fish tang So

1456
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 8: the goat year, I bet we'll have goats. Yeah, I

1457
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 8: don't know for sure that snake mountain pack goats. I'm

1458
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 8: pretty sure they'll be there. And so that's kind of

1459
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 8: the morning time is all that educational stuff. And then

1460
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 8: over the lunchtime or right around lunchtime, we'll have a

1461
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 8: little bit of music, and then we'll have the State

1462
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 8: of the Bears in Arkansas, and then we'll get into

1463
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 8: the render and and we'll do some of that stuff

1464
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 8: in the afternoon, and then of course drawing.

1465
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: That's great time.

1466
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 5: How many folks like, what are you shooting for?

1467
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 8: We had eight hundred and fifty people last year, and

1468
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 8: you know, we'd like we'd like to be in that

1469
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 8: range or maybe a thousand.

1470
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 7: You know what, do you know?

1471
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 8: Just transparently, we're trying to digest moving from one spot

1472
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 8: to another and kind of make sure we understand how

1473
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 8: traffic flows and and all that kind of stuff. I

1474
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 8: say that though, we're already ahead a schedule on ticket

1475
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 8: sales for this year, so you.

1476
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 6: Could fit a lot of people in a small space.

1477
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, there'll be room. I mean, we're do everything we

1478
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 8: can to entertain every single person who comes out.

1479
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 5: Sounds like as a as a non hunter like, yeah, sounds.

1480
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 6: I'll try to I'll try to promote it a little

1481
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 6: bit too, and get out there. I know there's a

1482
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 6: lot of people in my circle who want to come

1483
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 6: to see it.

1484
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, it's a lot of good man, it's good.

1485
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for coming and uh, thank you.

1486
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: There's no Donnie Baker part three, so moving on. But

1487
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's possible.

1488
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 7: It'd be great.

1489
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 6: One last thing, you go on that audible, get that

1490
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 6: long hunter. You know, I'm three listens into it. By

1491
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 6: the fourth or fifth, I'll know what I'll be an expert.

1492
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 6: The pard that got me was Daniel Benn was forty

1493
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 6: years old before he ate buffalo. Mm hmm, it was

1494
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 6: It was an odd deal. I thought that guy'd be

1495
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 6: eating buffalo every night.

1496
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you started eating buffalo, Brent, let's see, no

1497
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for listening to that audiobook. Yeah, I

1498
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta thank everybody for that bought it. A lot of

1499
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: people have bought it, a lot of people have supported

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01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,839
Speaker 1: supported what we're doing, and that's been awesome.

1501
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 7: It was.

1502
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was number one on Apple audiobooks like nationally,

1503
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: like not in like hunting.

1504
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 5: Books like that's a big deal.

1505
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like all audiobooks Short time Britney Spears. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1506
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: there was a time when.

1507
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that was unexpected. In the late nineties

1508
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 3: when I was.

1509
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: There, there was a chart that Misty screenshot that had

1510
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: me and Steve Vanella's name at number one in Britney

1511
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: Spears name it like number six, number nine.

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01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, was that was that like the second

1513
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 8: stage of you know, Clay and Missy's marriage goals is

1514
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 8: step one was too Yes, we got to put this.

1515
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 4: I felt like what Clay said on this podcast. Yeah,

1516
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 4: when he was like, I thought that. When I listened

1517
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 4: to it, I thought, wait, is Clay saying that the

1518
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 4: mission of our marriage is why do bad things happen

1519
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 4: to good people?

1520
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 8: Because we got married.

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01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: And that was a bad thing.

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01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 3: Like, that's what it sounded like.

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01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 5: You were.

1524
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 3: Ya, I probably was a good person. That story funny.

1525
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: It was just a random question that we had when

1526
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: we got married.

1527
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 4: We had a lot of funny stuff happened at the

1528
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 4: beginning of our marriage, and we were like, man, what

1529
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 4: bad things happen to good people? And it just kind

1530
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 4: of became the catch race for a while.

1531
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 5: And now he's whooping up on Britain spirit. Yeah that

1532
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 5: sounds that sounds terrible, but you know, in the in

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Speaker 5: the audiobooks,