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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Forgotten Seasons. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfuss.

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Speaker 2: I realized that I haven't done one of these little intros

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Speaker 2: these backs starting right now. Today we got a very

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Speaker 2: interesting episode. Tim Thomas was probably one of the most

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Speaker 2: the two thousands, we'd throw the ahead of their time

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Speaker 3: At the top of this list.

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Speaker 2: He was a six foot ten to three that could

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Speaker 2: go back to his high school days, he was the

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Speaker 2: number one player in the class of nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: If you remember, he was at the top of Kobe

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Speaker 2: He ended up going to Villanover for a year and

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we dive deep into two of Thomas's

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Speaker 2: Nets in the nineteen ninety seven draft, but was flipped

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Speaker 2: up playing his old Philadelphia teammates in an iconic two

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Speaker 2: him butting heads with Glenn Robinson in practice. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of gold in this episode. I hope you

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Speaker 2: guys enjoy it. Remember to rate and subscribe to Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: Forgotten Seasons with Tim Thomas begins right now. Welcome back

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Speaker 2: to Forgotten Seasons. Today we got Tim Thomas. Tim, it

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Speaker 2: looks like you're in a robe right now. It's snowing

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: How's life?

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Speaker 1: Life is good man. I'm in my soprano mode, you know,

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Speaker 1: so i gotta show my Poemageah. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 2: Everything's great. We're really looking forward to talking to you.

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Speaker 2: I would love to pitch it over to Jelani. You

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Speaker 2: just like we did last week. Man, who do we

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Speaker 4: So welcome Tim Thomas to the show. Welcome Tim, but

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Speaker 4: Kim before we even get in, I let Dylan is

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Speaker 4: If y'all, if y'all say it that he comes up

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Speaker 2: So let's let's start in your high school days. So

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Speaker 2: Was there one conversation or person that might dissuade you

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Speaker 1: I know, I know if I would have went to

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Speaker 2: Was, There did you have anybody that like told, YOU

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Speaker 2: this stuff that the media tried to paint about him

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Speaker 2: Understand like how big of a deal Was Alan iverson

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Speaker 4: said definitely the cross between hip, hop but also the

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00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 4: timing you know hip hop was you, Know i'm from

433
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i? Mean it started leaning. Off you,

434
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: know a lot of different artists were coming out from

435
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 4: a lot of different. Regions it wasn't Just New, york

436
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i. Mean it was The, south it

437
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: was The West, coast you know WHAT i. Mean so

438
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,239
Speaker 4: that hip hop was spreading nationwide and as well as.

439
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: Globally and then here Comes, ai you, know with the,

440
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 4: braids you, know wearing the baggy, clothes with the, chains you,

441
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 4: know in the, commercials having rappers in his. Commercials SO

442
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: i think it's everything Everything tim, said but just also

443
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 4: like the timing of. Everything you, know the league is

444
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 4: on the, rise hip hop is on the, rise and you,

445
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: Know Alan iverson is like the visual representation of everything

446
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 4: you know happening at the same. Time it's a different

447
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 4: country back then, too M.

448
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: H so you get traded The milwaukee like a year

449
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: and a half into your. Career and this is another

450
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: similarity that you guys. Have you both played With Allen,

451
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: iverson you both played For George carl. H so you

452
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: go From Larry brown To George Carl probably people would

453
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: think two old school. COACHES i don't know for a.

454
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: FACT i Know jelani has good things to say about.

455
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: Him here ARE a lot of people talk negatively About George.

456
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 2: Carl maybe he's a little bit too active On twitter these.

457
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: Days but what was what was like going into That

458
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: George carl offense, like because by the, numbers Like George

459
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: carl is one of the best offensive coaches of his.

460
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Generation what was your relationship like with? Him and what

461
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: were the similarities and differences going From Larry brown To George.

462
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: Carl it was night and. DAY i, mean they're Both carolina,

463
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: guys WHICH i don't understand why it was night and.

464
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: DAY i thought they would both be able to kind

465
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: of see the vision of you, know the new generation

466
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: that was. Coming but, uh, yeah it was night and.

467
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: Day you, know WHEN i actually got, TRADED i never

468
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: really wanted to be In. MILWAUKEE i was trying to

469
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: forget my agent to get me, traded you know that

470
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: that same day To. Indiana i'm, like if you're gonna trade,

471
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: me trade me To. Indiana But indiana had our young,

472
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: Fella Alan harrington that they really liked and another, Cat

473
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: Jonathan bender that you guys, know they had those two

474
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: guys waiting in the. Wings So indiana didn't want to

475
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: make that. Move so The milwaukee, THING i just thought

476
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: as though it, was it was definitely not enough basketballs.

477
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: There you Had Sam, Cassell Ray allen And Big. DOG

478
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: i knew instantly that was to either be six man

479
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: or playing a, four WHICH i didn't have a problem.

480
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: With BUT i Told GEORGE i would rather be the

481
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: sixth man because it gives me more flexibility to kind

482
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: of do do some things and still kind of establish

483
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: myself as a young. Player so he agreed to that.

484
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: Instantly he just told, me, said, LISTEN i traded for

485
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: you to come here and. PLAY i didn't trade trade

486
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: for you to come, here sit Behind Big dog and.

487
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Watch he, said you're gonna. Play he, said that's my.

488
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: Word and he, said when it's time for you to

489
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 1: receive your, Max i'm going to max you. Out and

490
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: those were the two promises he kept to. Me and you,

491
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: KNOW i went out every day and did my job

492
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: to the best of my ability within my, role you.

493
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: Know and you know he would he would always joke with,

494
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: me and you, know like almost every, year like midway

495
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: through it was other teams always interested in, me right

496
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: because they KNEW i could be a, starter you, know anywhere.

497
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: Else and he was, like, No i'm trying to build something.

498
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: HERE i want to keep this. Guy and he always tell,

499
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: me you, Know New york wants, you or you, know

500
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: such and such team wants you or. Whatever But i'm

501
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: not trading. YOU i love you, here we need. You

502
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: this is that and. That, so you, know me And

503
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: georgia relationship was. Great it was. Great you, know he

504
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: allowed me to grow and. Develop you, know he allowed

505
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: me to make a bunch of mistakes early. On and you,

506
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: know as far as him being an offensive minded, coach

507
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: we was that group of players that changed. That when

508
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: he was coaching In, seattle that was a defensive minded. Team.

509
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: First you, know you had The, glove you Had nate mcm,

510
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: yeah you had all those, guys debtless, shrimps you, know

511
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: all of those. Guys, yeah you, know those guys are

512
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: defensive players and they could score the. Basketball so with,

513
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: us it was just we were so. Talented. Man he

514
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: was just, like you, know it would Be dayzy'd be, like, listen,

515
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: man you guys win ten games in a, month we

516
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: give a team credit. Card go do what you want to.

517
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: Do we were the guys that, yeah, yeah we was

518
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: the guys, that, uh you, know just kind of changed

519
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: that that whole mindset with him being an offensive mining.

520
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: Coach, YEAH i MEAN i didn't have a problem With,

521
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: george and you KNOW i met him later on my. Career,

522
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 4: yeah he had a lot of. Transparency same thing with,

523
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: Him like he was telling, me LIKE i, COME i

524
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: was actually coming back and forth from THE G, league

525
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: and he told, me, like you, KNOW i don't know

526
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: what happened in your. Career you, know you're you're worth

527
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: works worth your weight in gold in the. League But

528
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 4: i'm gonna try to get you as much money AS i.

529
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Can you know this year that the team was over

530
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: the luxury. Tax so he was always straight shooter and

531
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: honest with, me you know WHAT i. Mean SO i

532
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 4: didn't have no problems with. Him but you, know in THE,

533
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 4: nba you can't get, everybody you know WHAT i. Mean

534
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: like at the end of the, Day, yeah, yeah you,

535
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 4: know every coach ain't gonna love Every you ain't gonna

536
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: love every coach you. Get every coach ain't gonna love

537
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: all of his. Players there's a lot of dynamics in

538
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: between agents and front eyes just so it's just a

539
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 4: whole thing to get. Into so like, Again i'm on

540
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: the same page With TIM i don't have a problem

541
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: With George. CAROL i agree with. You he says some

542
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 4: wild shit on social media, sometimes but you, know at

543
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: the end of the, DAY i feel like he's earned,

544
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: that you know WHAT i. Mean, so you, know that's his.

545
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: Voice he's always been, spoken you, know within the, media

546
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 4: within his time In milwaukee And, Seattle he's had a

547
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: big personality as a. Coach he wasn't one of those

548
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: quiet dudes that sat over there and just kind, of you,

549
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: know just did. Whatever he was. Outspoken so, yeah he

550
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: was always one hundred with. Me SO i ain't going

551
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: a problem With.

552
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: George. Yeah and we living in a new world now

553
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: is everything is opinion? Based, yea you, know SO i

554
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: mean he can't be mad at someone else's. Opinion.

555
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Uh one thing THAT i don't know if you, remember

556
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: maybe you. Do why did you wear two headbands in a?

557
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: Game and then is it true that THE nba like banded?

558
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Afterwards?

559
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah SO i was In, milwaukee, MAN i was In, Milwaukee. Wisconsin,

560
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: uh just trying TO i, mean cold little, board but

561
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: just trying to you, know keep myself fresh and and you,

562
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: know part of the The big three or The big. Four,

563
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: however you want to call, us you, know just trying

564
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: to be a little. DIFFERENT i was the one guy

565
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: that had the, braids you, know Like, AI i had the.

566
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Tattoos so INITIALLY i started off when two two, uh rubber, bands,

567
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Right SO i went from the rubber bands to the

568
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: to the, waistband the the the, ARM i put the

569
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: arm sleeves. ON i put two on and THEN i was,

570
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like you know, What i'm gonna just do the to

571
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: the two headbands and. UH i got away with that

572
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: for about three, games and then the, league yeah. Seriously

573
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: and then the league called and, said you can't weaar

574
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the two. HEADBANDS i, said, okay no. Problem so you,

575
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: know everybody was just weighing the one. Headband and then

576
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: it was a national televised game and here Comes ai

577
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: with the one headband with the three different colors in the,

578
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: headband AND i, said oh, wow isn't that. Interesting they stopped,

579
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: me and then they went and made the headbands with

580
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: the different colors the team colors in, it and obviously

581
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: he was the poster boy and they gave it To

582
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: ai And boom and then it just started, circulating you,

583
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: know the wrist bands that everything started becoming.

584
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: Turned into the risk. Bands we used to get the

585
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: memos about the rubber. Bands, hew you guys got to

586
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: stop wearing those rubber. Bands then that's when the risk.

587
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: Bands they started making the risk. Bands that's how.

588
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 5: Everything.

589
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: Look always say, this basketball players are by nature through,

590
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: offenses whatever else we got going. On you, know once

591
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: we figure something, out you know WHAT i, mean we'll

592
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: try to add, well we'll add something into. It you

593
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: know before When, chuck When chuck made it a, sleeve

594
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: then it became a. Sleeve you, know When Michael jordan wore,

595
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: whatever he wore the leg, sleeve you know WHAT i.

596
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: Mean then it, became you, know part of what THE nba.

597
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Brands you.

598
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: Know but at first it all starts as a player

599
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: just doing exactly What tim, said just trying to be

600
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: a little different at a little style to it stand

601
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: out a little.

602
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: Bit it's.

603
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: Entertainment at the end of the, day we do want

604
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: to stand. Out everybody wants to be a fan, favorite

605
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i. Mean you get Their joesy sold

606
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: in the, store in the arena. Store so, yeah it's.

607
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Funny it's interesting he said that BECAUSE i always paid

608
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: attention to how what to play From swish Whatever swish

609
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: Whenever swish was doing you know WHAT i, mean he

610
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 4: was on the early if it was a, headband you,

611
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: know you couldn't wear it upside down for a. Minute

612
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: it was a couple of brothers that flipped it and

613
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: were THE. Nba then it was, like, hey you guys

614
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: got to stop wearing THE nba logo upside. Down so

615
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: it's it's always interesting to watch how the league reacts.

616
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: Too when we tried to get ahead of you, Know

617
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: i'm plus, something no, nets.

618
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: They got the they banned the ninja head, bands remember

619
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: those the ones That Jimmy butler THE nba, like it's

620
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: definitely a player friendly, league but for whatever, reason like

621
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: the accessories are the one thing that they don't play around,

622
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: With like the you mentioned the Upside rondo where the

623
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: upside down head. Band they told them to get rid of. That,

624
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: yeah they're letting players wear whatever color shoes they want,

625
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: now but the. Accessories and around that time also there

626
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: was the remember like the Run Our Test Eddie, curry

627
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: those crazy headbands that were like on two sides.

628
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: And it was on the side of your.

629
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Head yeah it was super. Thick, yeah it was super

630
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: thick thin. Ones.

631
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah so continue On milwaukee two thousand and one into

632
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: a funny. Situation you end up playing your old team

633
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: in the conference finals and you're one shot. Away Glenn

634
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: robinson misses at the buzzer to put you into the.

635
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Finals what were your best memories of that series and

636
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: was it just like was it weird playing your old?

637
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: Team were you trying to stick it To Larry? Brown

638
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: what do you remember from that?

639
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Series, YEAH i mean it was definitely was, weird but

640
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: in the same, breath it was it was. Fun we

641
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: felt as though THE nba kind of got us a

642
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: little bit that. Year that, Year, yeah, yeah they Had

643
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: they had so many more free throw, calls uh than,

644
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: us well getting to the free throw line IN. Us

645
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: you Had Larry, BROWN i believe it was The coach

646
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: of the, year A i was the m V p

647
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: And Aaron aaron.

648
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: Mcke was the sixth, man the defensive and THE.

649
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: Kimba yeah. Exactly it was, like we got. It, yeah

650
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: we got to get these guys to THE Nba finals

651
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: against you, know Probably kobe And shaq and The lakers

652
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: because they were so dominant on The West. Coast but,

653
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: yeah we We we was definitely trying to win that.

654
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Series we had so many battles before, that just trying

655
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: to get over the, hump you, know whether it was

656
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: Battling indiana or a young T mac In orlando with

657
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: with you, Know Grant, hill you, know trying to get

658
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: himself you, know back. Together yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah and

659
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: then obviously That detroit team was you, know starting to

660
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: build and come. Around so, yeah we we felt as

661
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: though that was our. Year obviously we didn't get it

662
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: done that last. Shot it was funny because that was

663
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: probably the one time THAT i kind of looked At

664
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: george and it was, Like, GEORGE i, know that's big,

665
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: dog BUT i got you, know guys on me that can't.

666
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Guard you, know if it's a, SWITCH i got The

667
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: kimba guarding. Me so if he takes a step towards

668
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: coming at, Me i'm going right around. Him or the

669
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: other person Was Tyrone, hill you, know but we got

670
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: we got the shot that we wanted with a guy

671
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: that's normally you, know eighty eighty five on that block

672
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: against their you, know one of their better players Than Aaron.

673
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: Mckiith you, Know i'll take that shot any day of the,

674
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: week you, Know but again the player and me the.

675
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Competitor me OBVIOUSLY i would wanted the ball in that

676
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: in that, situation you, know but, hey it is what it.

677
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Is but, yeah that was that was a great. Series after,

678
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: Losing after losing that, SERIES i actually had my house

679
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: in In california at that time AND i JUST i

680
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: just stayed in uh In milwaukee until the series is.

681
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: Over THEN i started moving moving back around The East

682
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: coast and The west, coast you, know just just frustrated

683
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: and not being able to have the, opportunity you, know

684
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: to compete for a, championship you. Know and and and

685
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: in that same, year we actually swept The lakers that,

686
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: year so it would have been it'd have been. Interesting

687
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: we had we didn't have bigs that can control, shock

688
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: but we had guys that was mobile enough to double

689
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: and we obviously we could score the. Ball we was,

690
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: going you, know close to one hundred points. Again, Johnson,

691
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah Irvin, johnson, Myself Dot.

692
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 5: Williams William.

693
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else.

694
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 5: A lot of experience against, them dudes on.

695
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Them, yeah front.

696
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: Line just, Service well, solid ain't gonna, hurt you ain't

697
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: gonna worry about shooting the boot complaining about their or or.

698
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 5: Nothing, yeah mm.

699
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah we.

700
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: Don't have to talk about this either if you don't want.

701
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: To but The Ray allen thing that the comment that

702
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: he made about you after that year seem kind of messed,

703
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: up and we hear from other people like round is

704
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: like probably one of the most gifted players of his,

705
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: generation but supposed to be the leader of that.

706
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: Team uh was that just, LIKE i, mean at what?

707
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: Point what's the point because you were off the team

708
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: at that point, already and he kind of throws throws

709
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: a shot at, you like does?

710
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 3: That does that say? Anything like have you talked since?

711
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Then which which? Comment which was Like.

712
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: Tim thomas like you, know he could have been this,

713
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: Player and, uh we don't have to talk about it

714
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: if you don't want.

715
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: It. Oh, NO i mean me And, Ray me And

716
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: Ray is it's. COOL i, mean, honestly we had we

717
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: had our, situations but we're. Cool. NO i THINK i

718
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Think ray probably brung that up because the simple fact

719
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: that every, day damn, there every, day whether it was

720
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: shoot around or, whatever me And Glenn robinson was damning

721
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: coming to blows AND i was just a young scrappy,

722
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: yeah AND i was JUST i was seeing my peers

723
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: in other places doing their, thing And i'm, like you

724
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: know how it, Is it's like you start seeing that

725
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: and not necessarily being, jealous but it's, like, damn WHY

726
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: i can't have? That WHY i can't have with T,

727
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Mattas why can't have What vince? Got why can't be

728
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: In kobe? Shoes you. Know it's, like And i'm behind three,

729
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: great you, know basketball, players and it's like you want

730
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to break, out you know WHAT i. Mean it's like

731
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: you want your own, thing to showcase your. Thing AND

732
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: i felt, like and this is WHY i was so

733
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: hurt after The philly, trade BECAUSE i felt like me

734
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: And ai where they could have got it done with

735
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: any other player you add to that, situation you. Know,

736
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: so BUT i Think ray probably mentioned that because HOW

737
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: i was showcasing my talent each and every day in,

738
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: practice you, know and you know at that, time the

739
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: money guys are gonna play before the. Younger that's just

740
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: what it, was you. Know BUT i had to show

741
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: them WHAT i was capable of doing each and every

742
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: day for them to respect, me to add me to

743
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: that big, Three big four, group because you know how it,

744
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: Is it's like, oh he's a young. PLAYER i don't

745
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: believe he's gonna be, Consistent blase, Blas so certain situations

746
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: you might not get the. Ball so every DAY i

747
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: had to show, them like, LISTEN i. Belong all of

748
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: us are, talented we're all a. Group we're all part of,

749
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: this you, know this rock. Band it's not just you,

750
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: know one league guy here or. There we all have

751
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: to do our, part you, know for us to you,

752
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: know be able to. Succeed and you, KNOW i showed

753
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: that the one year we Played, indiana which was the

754
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: year right BEFORE i became a free, agent when you

755
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: KNOW i got maxed. Out those guys are. STRUGGLING i

756
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: mean we're Playing Reggie, miller, Uh Jalen, Roves Rick smith's

757
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: The Davis, boys, right And reggie And jalen is getting

758
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: forty at, night they averaging them there. Forty you, know

759
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: big dogs struggled that. Series, yeah, Yeah sam had trouble

760
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: with a Quicker Travis, best a more Experienced Chris. Mullen

761
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: AND i Believe Mark jackson was on that team as.

762
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: Well SO i was the guy that was killing the you,

763
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Know Sam perkins and The Davis boys and you, know

764
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: and all of that you, know but, right so what with.

765
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 5: Your skill set that matchup is just in your favor.

766
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: You, yeah, yeah, yeah but but yeah with with, that with,

767
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: that you, know being said With, ray, YEAH i just

768
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: take it from. THAT i don't. THINK i. DON'T i

769
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: don't take it from you, know anything, else because every

770
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: team and every INDIVIDUAL i played, against they, respect you,

771
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: know my, grind my hustle and WHAT i, brung you

772
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: know to the.

773
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: Table so you mentioned earlier like The arn Tell them's

774
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: of the world and The David falks of the. World

775
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: are those conversations that you're having with your agent, constantly

776
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: like how CAN i get and you're you said you're

777
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: thinking of, it, like you, know looking at all your

778
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: peers having. Opportunities are those conversations that you have with your.

779
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: Agents does your agent bring that up to? You like, yo,

780
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: Man LIKE i feel LIKE i shouldn't be coming off.

781
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: THAT i, KNOW i SAID i wanted to come off the,

782
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: bench BUT i know THAT i have the talent to

783
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: flourish somewhere. Else Or i'm always fascinating and stuff that

784
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: you usually don't hear because guys Like david Fa falk

785
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: And arn tell. HIM i assume we're really good at

786
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: keeping stuff behind closed doors unless they didn't want it

787
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: to be behind closed doors and they wanted to be

788
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: in the. Public but are those constant conversations that you,

789
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: guys as players have with your, agent are you facilitating?

790
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: Them are they facilitating them to? You, like how does

791
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: that kind of pulling string world? Work especially back in

792
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: that time.

793
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: When you, know with every, team right, once once you

794
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: go through your season and you know you may lose

795
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: in the, playoffs so don't make the playoffs, now and

796
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: THE gm is thinking about what moves or whatever they

797
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: have to make to better the. Team, right so every

798
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: year we will fall short or whatever with that four

799
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: that we, had that big four that we, had and

800
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: obviously it was talks, about you, know are we gonna

801
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Trade Big dog because we Think tim is, ready or you,

802
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: know we're gonna trade you, Know ray and try to

803
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: get this person that you know may do something a

804
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: little bit better than or, whatever, right or you, Know

805
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: Sam cassell is getting a little older, now you, know

806
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: let's trade. Him so you start hearing those, talks you,

807
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: know floating, around and then that's when you, go you,

808
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: know to your agent and, say all, right what's out

809
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: there what's. Available and you, KNOW i JUST i just

810
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: told you guys a little while, Ago George carr was

811
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: the head coach and THE, gm you, know so he would, yeah,

812
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: yeah so he was the head coach in THE. Gm

813
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: so that's why he would tell me, like, Hey, Tim

814
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: New york is calling for, you BUT i like, You

815
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: i'm not gonna let you.

816
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: Go it's a lot of a lot of that's a

817
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: lot of power to have and usually doesn't go.

818
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Well yeah, YEAH i, mean, hey you know there's some situations,

819
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: where you, know especially and With, milwaukee you, Know, Ray

820
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: ray got in trouble and that's how he ended up

821
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: getting getting traded with him And george bumping. Heads but

822
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: uh but, yeah so you know you start hearing those

823
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: those those conversations floating, around then you go to your.

824
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Agent but you got to remember early, on Arn tell

825
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: him was a Baseball he got into basketball Because sonny

826
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: The carol Left nike and brung him along With. Adidas

827
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: so myself will be uh, T, Mac jermaine, O'Neill Antoine.

828
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: Walker it was a bunch of us that we was

829
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: all those data, babies you, Know So arn't really he

830
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: wasn't really established in the league and had the power

831
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: like A David, fault Because fault obviously HAD mj and

832
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: you know some other. Guys but but, yeah you know

833
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: you got those you heard those. Conversations you heard you,

834
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Know george would tell me about different teams that wanted,

835
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: me and it was always exciting to me to be

836
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: able to go and you, know see what my career

837
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: would have been like IF i was able to go

838
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: to a place where you, know each and every night,

839
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: year you, know you're capable of getting twenty to twenty

840
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: five shots, up you. Know so that was always an interesting,

841
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: thing especially with the talent THAT i. HAD i, mean why,

842
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: Not but you, KNOW i Trusted george and you KNOW

843
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: i wanted to, win AND i had opportunity to go

844
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: and sign somewhere else and turned it down to come

845
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: back to The bucks to try to.

846
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: Win so, yeah you.

847
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: Got to put yourself in The Tim thomas. Position not

848
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: everybody can go today today agent and, say you, know

849
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: what's what's the what's the market looked?

850
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Like for? Me you know WHAT i, mean with the.

851
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: Best you can. Do if you got To ron tell

852
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: HIM i was fortunate enough to have ron as as

853
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: as an. Agent maybe he can have some influence on

854
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 4: the playing, time you know WHAT i. Mean to put

855
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: yourself in an, opportunity but you damn sure better do

856
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: something with, it you know when you get. It you,

857
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 4: Know i've been fortunate enough to, starter have a three year,

858
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: deal then been on non guarantees or one, year so you,

859
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 4: KNOW i look back on my, time you know WHEN i,

860
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: had you, know three years on my deal AND i

861
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: KNEW i was going to be. There you, know it's

862
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 4: a different vibe once they pull that once they put

863
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: that brug up underneath your, foot you on year to,

864
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: years you know WHAT i. Mean it creates a different

865
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: sensor urgency with you as a, player you know WHAT i.

866
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: Mean and if you, Know tim has always been cool,

867
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: headed ever SINCE i Met tim and knowing about, him

868
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: he's always been like, this you don't get too up to.

869
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: Down that's something we all know about him as players

870
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 4: and what we admire about. Him but if you don't

871
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: have that little levelheadedness or a veteran like them peaks and.

872
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: Valleys after you get out of the comfortability of, having you,

873
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: know being a starter and having a multi year, deal

874
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: that shit gets, stressful you know WHAT i, Mean and

875
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: you can't always go to your, agent you know WHAT i,

876
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: Mean LIKE i, said if you going to, him you

877
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 4: better be you, know your production better be on. Point

878
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 4: he can't just be, like you, know playing here and

879
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 4: there trying to crack the lineup and going to your agent, saying,

880
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: hey what's the market look like for? Me because you

881
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 4: don't have any you, know your value is. Suppressed people

882
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: know about you obviously because you're on the, roster but

883
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: you know your value is suppressed a little, bit like

884
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 4: if he's so, good why can't he crack the lineup

885
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: a little. More so it's just little things like.

886
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: That, yeah that was Early, yeah that was early on

887
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: for me WHEN i was stuck in that rookie, deal you,

888
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: know always trying to ask, like, okay you, know who's

889
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: who's looking for? Me who wants to you, know possibly

890
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: make the. Trade BUT i just knew That george wasn't

891
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: gonna give me up at at any moment long as

892
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: he was. THERE i, know he was never done, trade you,

893
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: know trade me in because he just he just had

894
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: that passion you, know about, me and and he showed.

895
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: It you, know he kept his, word and, uh you,

896
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: know he was an easy guy to.

897
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: Play for almost finish. HERE i want to talk about

898
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: The knicks real, quick and THEN i want to go

899
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: back to.

900
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: Au.

901
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: Uh so you end up getting traded The knicks in

902
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: two thousand and, four you're back in your you, know

903
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: The tristate, area and you know The knicks in the

904
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: two thousands were never. Good right right After, allen right After. Houston,

905
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: uh that era. Closed it seemed like The knicks had

906
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: all the tools to be. Good they had the, city

907
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: they had the, market they had A hall of famer

908
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: now running the, team who brought in Other hall of.

909
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: Famers they Got Stefan. Marbury what is your?

910
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: PERSPECTIVE i mean you you did work In New york

911
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: and it was probably great to be close to home

912
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: and putting up those, numbers getting that playing. Time but,

913
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: like why didn't think two Thousands knicks have any? Success

914
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: was it? Talent was it? Management was it too much

915
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: distractions In New? York you hear, about you know what

916
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: life was like as a player In New york and

917
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: maybe The temptations just a few blocks. Away whatever you, Want,

918
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: like why Didn't knicks have any? Success because the pieces were,

919
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: There it just seemed like for whatever, reason like chaos

920
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: and turmoil was always coming. Up what is your perspective

921
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: and why couldn't the next find any success in the two?

922
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Thousands, WELL i tell people this all the. Time you,

923
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: know that's the world's most famous, arena right and anytime

924
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: a team comes in and everybody's going to try to

925
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: put on their best. Performance so we was getting that

926
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: on a consistent, basis and we didn't understand, it you,

927
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: know myself And, stepan you, know Being New, York New jersey,

928
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: kids obviously was excited as hell to be back home to,

929
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: play you, know at the, garden to play with each

930
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: other growing, up you, know with each, other knowing each,

931
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: other families and all that kind of. Stuff but as

932
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: far as not being able to get it, DONE i

933
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: JUST i think we had some, pieces but not enough

934
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: pieces at that particular, time and we ran into again

935
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: just getting everybody's best effort coming, in. Right and THEN

936
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: i could tell you something that happened between rapper friends of.

937
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Ours you, Know stephan was a great friend With Fat

938
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: joe and you Know i'm good friends with fifty, cent

939
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and you, know when all that stuff was going, on

940
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: we kind of had some turmoil. There it didn't show

941
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: as much but you, know those that know understood that

942
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: me And steph was kind of you, know we had

943
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: our distance a little bit compared to when you go

944
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: back and watch the very first GAME i played with

945
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: The knicks was In milwaukee ON. Abc we was down

946
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: twelve or, whatever ended up coming back and there's a

947
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: picture of me And steph walking off the court, hugging you,

948
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: know and you, know me and stuff is cool now

949
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: obviously uh fifty and in Fact joe is. Cool but as,

950
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: players we never let that stuff, really you, know affect,

951
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: us you, know off the court like. That but on the,

952
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: court we we did have some you, know some things

953
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: where you, know he would you, know look me off

954
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: from time to, time or you, KNOW i were four,

955
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: shots you, know just to get a. Shot we had

956
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: an Older penny Hard, away you know at that, Time

957
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: Alan houston was still trying to get. Back we Had Kurt,

958
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: timas so we had some some some veteran. Guys but,

959
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: again it just you, know it was what it. WAS i,

960
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: mean we just couldn't win games, consistently and you, know

961
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: we went THROUGH i Think isaiah started coaching, us and

962
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: Then Lennie wilkins came, in you, know so we we

963
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: just had so much going. On he Is New. York.

964
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: Lenny oh. Man lenny was great man because he was

965
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: he was, like you, know playing for your. Uncle you,

966
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: know he'll look at you and tell, you, man you

967
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: look tired. TODAY i don't want you to do too

968
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: much or. Whatever or you, know he especially for. Me

969
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: he will always tell me he wanted to start off

970
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: the game by going through me, first and then a

971
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: lot of other guys that you, know get off and

972
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: stuff like. That But lenny was cool. Man he he

973
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: was definitely a player's. Coach he understood us and and

974
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: he just knew like when guys was, rolling he knew

975
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: how to go and approach other guys and tell him, like,

976
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: hey you Know penny shooting the. Ball, well this, week

977
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna play Through, penny you. Know and you had

978
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: to respect, it you, Know hall Of famer as a

979
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: coach and a, player you gotta respect. That but he

980
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: was he was. Great he was.

981
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: Great so going back to au, QUICKLY i WANT i

982
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: want you to explain what you're doing With Tim Thomas

983
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: elide and then also opening up the. CONVERSATION i, mean

984
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: we hear a lot like it's no secret that The

985
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: european international scene is kind of taking over the. GAME

986
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people point towards youth development in those

987
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: countries compared TO. Us if you KNOW au, basketball if

988
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: you've been AROUND au, basketball you know that traditionally it's not.

989
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: Organized you're playing ten games in one, weekend you don't really.

990
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: Practice and then over In europe you guys got like you.

991
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: Guys you got guys Like, Luca you got guys Like

992
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: jokic that are playing with grown men and pro clubs

993
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 2: from thirteen years. Old so what is the problem WITH au?

994
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Basketball how can THE us reverse the? Trend is it

995
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: kind of too far? GONE i, MEAN i think it's

996
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: not a bad thing that the international pool is kind

997
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: of taking. Over it's growing the. Game but what's the

998
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: problem WITH? Au and then what are you trying to

999
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: do with your program to actually teach kids how to

1000
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: play basketball and how to be, pros not just you,

1001
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: know how to put up forty shots in one.

1002
00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: Weekend, Yeah so my, PROGRAM i started my program in ninety,

1003
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: seven a, rookie my rookie year in ninety. Seven this

1004
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: upcoming summery twenty seven, years twenty eight, pros twenty McDonald's All.

1005
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Americans we sent about ten thousand kids off the, school

1006
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: so the getback is real when it comes to. That

1007
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: we started off As, adidas we was In nike eybl

1008
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: and now we Represent. Puma, OBVIOUSLY i put my soprano

1009
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: roll back all. Right as far as as far as,

1010
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: uh as far as youth, Basketball kobe has said this

1011
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: a while, back there's really no teaching when it comes

1012
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: TO aau basketball so, fast it's so, rapid it's watered

1013
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: down because there's a million. Teams everyone is trying to

1014
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: capitalize off the dollar of making you, know money off these,

1015
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: kids from the from the bad trainers to now the

1016
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: photographers that's floating. Around you, know every one is involved

1017
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: with making a dollar off off of the game and

1018
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: there's no. Teaching so with me being back in control

1019
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: of my, program the one thing that we're doing is

1020
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: actually training and practicing three times a week before the

1021
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: guys hit the road and play. Games and it's mandatory

1022
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: that you make at least two of those practices before

1023
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: you can even play that. Weekend SO i think the

1024
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: more the more we get involved with former guys that

1025
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: actually played the game and whatever you know city they

1026
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: may be in actually teaching and helping the. KIDS i

1027
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: think that's going to help our, game you, know tremendously

1028
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: because you, know, overseas like you, said those guys are

1029
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: training five six times a, DAY i mean a. Week

1030
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: they're playing one game you, know a, week and it's.

1031
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Showing you, know when you look at THE nba draft

1032
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: the last six seven, years there's More european you, know

1033
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: international guys you, know getting drafted in our own. Guys

1034
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: and then the other, thing the other element is WHICH i,

1035
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: hate is that when you look at college basketball or

1036
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: even now with high school, right and there's just no

1037
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: disrespect to anyone Because i'm now coaching high school basketball

1038
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: at For Rams. Catholic but when you look at like

1039
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: A Mount verdi right this, year they HAVE i believe

1040
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: eight or nine guys that are all d one, material,

1041
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Right so it's like you build these super teams to

1042
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: go win it, all which is, great which is, fine

1043
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: but no one's competing against each. Other how do you get? Better?

1044
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: Right and then even in, college, right you'll have a

1045
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: kid that's playing for A Dida's adida's circuit and a

1046
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: kid that's playing in The nike circuit that may be

1047
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: one or two in their, class and they never compete

1048
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: against each, other and then they'll go To michigan together

1049
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and try to win, together you. Know so it's like

1050
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: the competition aspect of it all is taken away from,

1051
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: it and now you can't really gauge where the kids

1052
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: really belong until they get to. College and then it's,

1053
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: like okay that one, kid instead of competing against the other,

1054
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: kid can now lean on that kid to help, him you,

1055
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: know through the, process you. Know and then one kid

1056
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: is going to have a great three four months and

1057
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: he's going to go. Pro and then after, that the

1058
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: next kid is going to have a you, know next you,

1059
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: know three four months and he's going to Go so,

1060
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: YEAH i, MEAN i definitely think we got to get

1061
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: back to teaching the, game those that know the, game

1062
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: teaching the, game not these YouTube trainers and guys that

1063
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: never played the, game you, know teaching the. YOUTH i

1064
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: think we gotta cut some of these. Programs it's just

1065
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: two watered. Down we got programs everywhere popping, up you,

1066
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: know every other. Week AND i, think OBVIOUSLY i think

1067
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: some of the shoe brands should cut back on giving

1068
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: the kids too much too. EARLY i do believe, in you,

1069
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: know having you, know the uniforms and the set of,

1070
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: sneakers things like. That but, yeah but in some cases

1071
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: it's a little bit too, much you, know and kids

1072
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: tend to feed off that and think that they already

1073
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: made it and they stopped working on you. Know, SO i,

1074
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of different things we could clean,

1075
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: up but if we don't clean it up in the

1076
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: sense of what they're doing, internationally we're always going to

1077
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: be behind the eight ball because they're catching, up, well

1078
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: they caught, up you.

1079
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: Know to add to what about the age? Thing what

1080
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: about the double hole to add to this? Quagmire what

1081
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: about the double hole? Back that can you, know what

1082
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 4: about the guy this you know he's playing that he's,

1083
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 4: fifteen but you know he's playing against thirteen year olds

1084
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: or you know however that's set, up you, know because

1085
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: every age and bracken and, tournament the age whatever requirement is,

1086
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: different you know WHAT i. Mean, so how do you

1087
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: feel about the double triple hole?

1088
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: Back you know WHAT i?

1089
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 4: Mean showing up and dudes is just kind of line

1090
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: up with a full beers like, us you know WHAT i.

1091
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: Mean then you got a regular how do you feel

1092
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: about that whole.

1093
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Dynamic it's it's it's killing the. Game it's. Terrible we

1094
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: have a we have a we have a reclass school

1095
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: here In jersey and these kids are basically you, know

1096
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: going there to try to get, better but they're learning

1097
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: from people that really never actually played the. Game the

1098
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: whole resume is a, lie you, know all of that

1099
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of. Stuff these parents is playing twelve thirteen thousand

1100
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: for these kids to go to, school to get no,

1101
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: education and it's just playing basketball all. Day and, then

1102
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: like you, said they're, older so now their whole thing

1103
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: is to get into a private school or A catholic

1104
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: school for so called better. Education and to further they're

1105
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: basketball you, know careers BETWEEN aau and the better high.

1106
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: Schools but when they get, there they go only play

1107
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: for a year or two years because they're Starting, yeah,

1108
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: yeah there's well here you can't. PLAY i think it's.

1109
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Nineteen so if you're starting freshman year at sixteen turning,

1110
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: seventeen it's like how many years you think you? Got you?

1111
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: Know SO i hate, it. Man and even in THE aau,

1112
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: world you, know if you're going to, reclass you're supposed

1113
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: to play, up not. Down you, know it's, like what

1114
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: are we doing? Here you got makes? Sense you be

1115
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: class your. Kid, yeah he's fifteen playing. Thirteen that don't

1116
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: make sense in the way should he, dominated should dominate?

1117
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: Loopholes AND i don't mind when people figure some shit

1118
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: out that you know WHAT i, mean that that is

1119
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: not against the rules or it's a rule that you

1120
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: know WHAT i, mean they haven't made or found out.

1121
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 4: Yet but there's like they're they're in a, way you

1122
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 4: know WHAT i, mean they're stopping development from from other

1123
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: younger players that you know WHAT i, mean aren't you,

1124
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: KNOW i, mean haven't even hit puberty yet versus somebody

1125
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: who's damn there ready to get a. Tattooed and then

1126
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: on top of, that IN u, sports all of this

1127
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: ain't gotten necessarily something to do a high level BASKETBALL.

1128
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: Iq this is none of that does a.

1129
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: Push somebody in the, ground get away with a couple of,

1130
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: calls get some layups and some, dunks you know WHAT i.

1131
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: Mean they're not running those sets or learning how. To

1132
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: they don't even attack gaps. ANYMORE i don't mean to

1133
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 4: get in the, chances but at all, no SO i

1134
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: know they don't read defenses like Bro, okay you are

1135
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: you looking at me to run his own? Play can

1136
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: you attack a gap SO i can tell you the

1137
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: right play the round so he can come and you

1138
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 4: got an easy spray to the corner when they don't

1139
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 4: know how to break pressure when it comes to the,

1140
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 4: middle they don't look, opposite you know WHAT i. Mean

1141
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: there's just some things and it's like it's exhausting almost

1142
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: as a coach WHEN i was, coaching like literally you

1143
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 4: have to literally tell him what to.

1144
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 5: Do throughout the whole entire. Game it's.

1145
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 4: Exhausted you have to be, careful you know WHAT i.

1146
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 4: Mean so you go over, Here, okay he gonna come over. Here,

1147
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: okay wait for the screen. Now, yet you know WHAT i,

1148
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: Mean that's why you see coaches down in stands and

1149
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 4: you know WHAT i, mean getting burnt out every day

1150
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: in youth sports because you like you have to like

1151
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 4: literally tell him what to do throughout the whole. Game

1152
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: that immense, talent athletic, talent got all the moves in the,

1153
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 4: world but basic level BASKETBALL iq patterns are like through

1154
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: the floor.

1155
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: LOVE i think it's WHAT i. Think it's WHAT i.

1156
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: Think it's What tim said. Earlier it's just there's so

1157
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: much people are seeing any. Opportunities youve got these companies

1158
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: Like overtime, too that are run by grown men and

1159
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: getting private equity money and their audience and the way

1160
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: they make money is to you, know make content for.

1161
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 3: Kids it's just it's. Weird and you MENTIONED au.

1162
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: PROGRAMS i, mean anybody now can make AN au program

1163
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: in any city and get fifteen kids to pay a

1164
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: thousand bucks to play for the.

1165
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: TEAM i think it's just. Weird and you, know.

1166
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: LIKE i, SAID i don't think it's A it's not

1167
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: necessarily like a horrible. Thing if the world continues to

1168
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: get better at, BASKETBALL i think it might just be

1169
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: like soccer in ten years where every, country you, know

1170
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: new countries winning The World cup or The olympics like

1171
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: every four. Years but it's, weird AND i think it

1172
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: is very important to have people like, you like, you

1173
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: turn off the, cameras lock the, gym get your ass

1174
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: in a.

1175
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 5: Shell.

1176
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: Drow, yeah, no it. Is it's important because AGAIN i

1177
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: truly believe we're definitely behind the eight. BALL i mean

1178
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: it's showing with the. Draft it's also shown with this whole.

1179
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: Portal now kids can leave and you, know not have

1180
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: to stay in a situation and try to figure it.

1181
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 1: Out it's, like if you struggle, That, utah what makes

1182
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: you think you're going to be better At miami because it's?

1183
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: Hotter like are you kidding? Me like you, know you're

1184
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: still gonna go there with those same, struggles you. Know

1185
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: so it's, like you, know and then THE nil, Thing,

1186
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: like OBVIOUSLY i truly believe the most talented kids should

1187
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: be able to get the nil. Deals but you got

1188
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: everyone now thinking that they're four, star five star athlete

1189
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: and they should get the same amount that you, know

1190
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: the four star five star athlete is. Getting it's, just you,

1191
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: know it's. Crazy but, AGAIN i truly believe if we

1192
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: don't get on top of it and kind of slow it,

1193
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: down we're gonna we're gonna continue to you, know be

1194
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: behind the eight ball with with other. Countries and it's.

1195
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: SHOWING i, mean The olympics is, showing you, know pro

1196
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: basketball right now showing.

1197
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 4: On Three we used to, dominate you know three on.

1198
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: Three now that's, international and you know it's showing in

1199
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: every form of.

1200
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: Basketball, yeah and we just got to get we really

1201
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: got to get more people that are basketball. People, yes content.

1202
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 3: Not content content creators or business.

1203
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: People and it's interesting because this is the only profession And,

1204
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: tim tell me if you Think i'm wrong Or i'm reaching.

1205
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 4: Here this is the only profession where people second guess the,

1206
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: expertise like the people who played it, right you know

1207
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 4: WHAT i.

1208
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 5: Mean, People oh, yeah they just counted one.

1209
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: Thousand years of, experience you, know doing the thing for

1210
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: somebody who was watching it on a video or who

1211
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: was dissecting. FILM i don't know no other field, where you,

1212
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 4: know aside from maybe music or something where the expertise

1213
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 4: don't really get their, credit like any former players to

1214
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 4: walk in and have a flourishing. Program you can make

1215
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: decent money doing, it you know WHAT i. Mean but

1216
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 4: it should go to the, people you know WHAT i,

1217
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: mean like from their. AREAS i agree With, tim it

1218
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: should be the players that you know who, careers whatever,

1219
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: happened but their. Areas they should have, clubs, teams. Experience

1220
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be just room for, everybody but there should

1221
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 4: really be an emphasis on people using you, know people

1222
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 4: who actually did it and they're in there in their

1223
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 4: local areas, too you. Know bring up the grassps. AREA

1224
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 4: i think that's will come up faster we'll close that

1225
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 4: got faster if we uplift our former, players you, know

1226
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 4: in their local areas to build up the.

1227
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: Grassroots, yeah and it DOESN'T i don't think it necessarily

1228
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: has to be all pro. Guys it could be guys

1229
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: that you know play you, KNOW d one and all that,

1230
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: stuff because anytime you go PLAY d one, basketball you

1231
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: got more experience than, anyone you, know in the. Neighborhood that's.

1232
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: Saying you, Know i'm an a you go, Too i'm a

1233
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: trainer on. This you. Know it's just it's just so watered.

1234
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: Down but, yeah you hit it on the, head so it.

1235
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: Is and then part of the problem too is the.

1236
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: Parents you, know the parents want to hear that their

1237
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: child is such and, such a he's this and, that

1238
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: rather than the. Truth no one wants to hear the.

1239
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: Truth you, know you're telling them the. Truth it's, like we

1240
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: don't like that. Guy he's given us a hard, time you.

1241
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 5: Know, so, yeah we'll be interesting to.

1242
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: See it'll be interesting to see how it plays, Out

1243
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: Tim Man, king we appreciate your.

1244
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 3: Time and, uh, yes, SIR i think it looks like

1245
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 3: you got like a little cocktail.

1246
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: Situation maybe an evening smoke with the robe on your,

1247
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: horizon SO i don't want to hold you FOR i.

1248
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: Think and NOW i GOT i got my. Son he

1249
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: had a snow, day So i'm gonna go up and

1250
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: see what the little guy got going. On and you

1251
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: know that's gonna be. It but, yeah man just gonna

1252
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of his.

1253
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: Day appreciate your, time really appreciate.

1254
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: It, yes Sir hu