Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcast.
Speaker 1: It is a big day.
Speaker 2: We're a good day, Jenna.
Speaker 1: We're here. We've made it. We've made it to Kevin's
Speaker 1: favorite episode of all time, Season five, Episode seven, Puppymaster.
Speaker 2: Historic, Iconic Important. You know there was before this episode
Speaker 2: and then after this episode.
Speaker 1: Okay, well this was aired on November twenty eight, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: and let's just get through the news because we have
Speaker 1: to talk about this.
Speaker 2: Royals my Lord was still number one.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow wow.
Speaker 2: But we have a new number one movie.
Speaker 1: Oh the Hunger Games Catching Fire.
Speaker 2: Which I think is the best Hunger Games movie.
Speaker 1: Agreed, it's seen it. I watched this movie all the time.
Speaker 1: It's a comfort for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, It's a really really good movie.
Speaker 1: You watch it all the time. I love this movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: including news this week, it was Thanksgiving, so it was
Speaker 1: quiet on the Glee front. There wasn't a lot. People
Speaker 1: were home celebrating with their families as you do on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: More importantly, this episode was directed by our friend Paul mccrane.
Speaker 1: It was written by Matt Hodgson, Our dear Friend on Paper,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of very there's an eclectic grouping
Speaker 1: of songs in this episode, as this episode is eclectic itself.
Speaker 2: Sure is. So we have Into the Groove performed by
Speaker 2: Pamela Lansbury.
Speaker 1: You're My Best Friend by Queen performed by Blaine in
Speaker 1: New direct.
Speaker 2: We've done a lot of Queen songs.
Speaker 1: Well, of course we have the Queen is the.
Speaker 2: Best, Nasty Rhythm Nation mashup, I Don't Wait to Talk
Speaker 2: About It by Jake Marley and Brie Cheek to Cheek.
Speaker 1: By Fred Astaire were performed by Sue and Will.
Speaker 2: And The Fox performed by New Directions and Pamela Lansberry. Okay,
Speaker 2: I remember this that this episode aired on Thanksgiving oh
Speaker 2: in the US, because I remember it was one of
Speaker 2: those times I would go back to Texas every Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and like, oh cool, I never get to see the
Speaker 2: show with my family, and it's like this is the
Speaker 2: episode we can all watch.
Speaker 1: Together, Like oh no, I don't think we watched this
Speaker 1: episode with my family because I said, don't watch it.
Speaker 1: Don't you Forget about Me by Simple Minds was supposed
Speaker 1: to be sung by Blaine Jake as a puppet and
Speaker 1: Becky as a puppet, but was ultimately cut for unknown reasons,
Speaker 1: but it was being used in Trio three episodes later instead,
Speaker 1: where Tina gets to be involved, which is very exciting
Speaker 1: because I love the.
Speaker 2: Song We Can't Stop by Miley Cyrus was originally reported
Speaker 2: to be sung instead of the Fox, but ended up
Speaker 2: being changed.
Speaker 1: Kevin, I did not know makes you feel?
Speaker 2: Is that real? Salt meat wound?
Speaker 1: One of the worst. That is Actually that hurts so bad. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's so funny. I didn't really that would have been great.
Speaker 1: This is the first episode of season five in which
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't sing.
Speaker 2: The scene where Blaine, Jake, and Becky aren't attention and
Speaker 2: Blaine suggests getting to know each other as a reference
Speaker 2: to the Breakfast Club, which is also referenced by no Wonder,
Speaker 2: I mean by them and the actual scene.
Speaker 1: Right and no Wonder we were supposed they were supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Don't you forget about me? There? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. This episode features Breeze last appearance in the series.
Speaker 1: That was so fast, but she's just like so unredeemable
Speaker 1: that like you can't redeem her. At this point, there's
Speaker 1: no turning back, it felt like that.
Speaker 2: I wondered if that was the case, because when they
Speaker 2: say goodbye in this episode, it felt like bye forever.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take on Me, which was featured in and Sue's
Speaker 2: eighty Slashback, went on to be covered in the season
Speaker 2: six episode Homecoming.
Speaker 1: Wow. The Blame puppet featured in the episode was auctioned
Speaker 1: off for three thousand dollars. Meanwhile, the Kurk puppet won
Speaker 1: for twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2: Let's not compare prices, you know, don't put the girls
Speaker 2: in gage close.
Speaker 1: It's close. It doesn't even matter. I hope it went
Speaker 1: to some good cause.
Speaker 2: So this episode, Blaine believes he has the best plan
Speaker 2: to win Nationals, but he doesn't take the Glee Club's
Speaker 2: criticism too well when the students accused him of being
Speaker 2: too controlling over New York. Kurt also runs into control
Speaker 2: issues when the band disagrees over the venue of their
Speaker 2: first official gig that Kirk booked. Meanwhile, Sue reveals the
Speaker 2: story behind her iconic tracksuit and gets in touch with
Speaker 2: her feminine side.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: A lot of control issues, and they're both controlling, and
Speaker 2: they're going to be married. We're going to have to
Speaker 2: work it out, Folks, gonna have to work it out.
Speaker 2: Blaine is in the choir room pulling a power grab
Speaker 2: and its like I know best, nobody else knows anything.
Speaker 2: We need to do this a cappella thing, no instruments,
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, get out of here.
Speaker 1: He goes and sulks in mister She's room. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: very upset.
Speaker 2: He's sad.
Speaker 1: Now I have a very distinct memory of this scene,
Speaker 1: chooting this scene, do you no? Okay? The night before
Speaker 1: was Jacob's twenty first birthday. Oh, and we took him out.
Speaker 2: What did we do?
Speaker 1: We're just a whole house and we didn't like get crazy,
Speaker 1: but we like had some drinks and we got him
Speaker 1: a cake that said the Man, the Myth, the Legend,
Speaker 1: and it was like a little Jacob artist from when
Speaker 1: he was like teeny tiny. And we had a We
Speaker 1: had a jolly old time and we showed up to
Speaker 1: the the next day and yes, I was hungover. Fun
Speaker 1: in fact, we all were. And Paul had switched the
Speaker 1: room around in the choir room, like you notice, we're
Speaker 1: at the drums and we're sitting on the ground and
Speaker 1: where you're behind the piano, and so it wasn't our
Speaker 1: usual walk in on Monday morning, go sit in the
Speaker 1: red seats. Everybody says their lines and paint the picture.
Speaker 1: And I was like, who is this person? Who does this? Director?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yes? And I remember being like, I don't
Speaker 1: like this. Why is our room all rearranged? It looked great,
Speaker 1: and I totally get it, and I probably would have
Speaker 1: done the same thing, but like I definitely was like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? What is he doing? He's messing with
Speaker 1: the system.
Speaker 2: I will say I as we're getting into these later episodes,
Speaker 2: a lot of things that I questioned at the time,
Speaker 2: learning that I was wrong, Like things like that, like
Speaker 2: when we would be like why are they moving to
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that is a professional who's coming into
Speaker 2: season five of a show when they're trying to just
Speaker 2: not make it seem stale or flat and switch up
Speaker 2: a little bit like how can we make still make
Speaker 2: this exciting and new?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I think for us it felt like a personal
Speaker 2: offense to our house and rearranging our furniture.
Speaker 1: How dare they like walking into your bedroom and somebody
Speaker 1: switched around like the yeah, the whole yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's not our bedroom and it's
Speaker 2: not our home and they were doing the right thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that happened several times in this episode for me.
Speaker 1: Hmm, okay, yeah, okay. Well, Blaine calls Kurt and he's like,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, this's happened. And I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: help and I'm just trying to do the right thing
Speaker 1: and be a leader. And Kurt's like, well, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be a pup a master and and that
Speaker 1: was awkward, although I love the way that was shot,
Speaker 1: definitely struck a chord in Blaine. And then Blaine went
Speaker 1: and he made a puppet of Kurt.
Speaker 2: It feels like Blaine is really working through some things
Speaker 2: of this episode psychologically, very much so.
Speaker 1: And and and then I guess to add to the
Speaker 1: puppets of the inspo of the puppets, there's a gas
Speaker 1: leak in this episode throughout that is going to affect
Speaker 1: all the storylines in McKinley High. And this gas leak
Speaker 1: is happening in the back corner of the choir room
Speaker 1: where we never use, so weird, and Blaine's going to
Speaker 1: be the one to have the first hallucination, if you will.
Speaker 2: I started to happen. I go, this is how it happens. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm doing this again.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like a dentist and vitamin D and like we're all.
Speaker 1: You know what. Look. I have to say it's been
Speaker 1: a tough couple of weeks for us in this time.
Speaker 1: The writers were really just grasping at some strange straws
Speaker 1: during this time and rightfully saying you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: I think we have to give everybody a little bit
Speaker 1: of grace that, like, this was hard and we had
Speaker 1: to rearrange the entire series. We just needed one of
Speaker 1: those episodes where we could have an excuse to do
Speaker 1: some really fun numbers and have them not really make
Speaker 1: sense at all.
Speaker 2: And I feel like doing a puppet episode is a
Speaker 2: rite of passage where a lot of shows who are
Speaker 2: not musicals do a musical episode. Because we were musical,
Speaker 2: the only thing we could do was a puppet episode.
Speaker 1: And I will say the Puppets were fun to have
Speaker 1: be made into, you know, like just to see the puppets.
Speaker 1: I remember that whole episode, like watching the puppets and
Speaker 1: then hair department having to like put these you know,
Speaker 1: put wigs on our characters to make us them look
Speaker 1: like us, and then our wardrobe had to match, and
Speaker 1: it was just like I was like, I this is
Speaker 1: really fun to be made into a puppet. I wish
Speaker 1: we could have kept the puppets.
Speaker 2: I know, no, they're too expensive.
Speaker 1: I meant a fan that had some of the puppets.
Speaker 2: A lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I think because I've talked extensively publicly about my feelings
Speaker 2: about this episode, yes, I think a lot of that
Speaker 2: had to do with, most likely some undercurrents of misplaced grieving.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and I think, yes, obviously the show was different.
Speaker 2: We were doing like these big spectacle things, things that
Speaker 2: we wouldn't normally do, and I took it just like
Speaker 2: someone coming in and rearranging the furniture. I think I
Speaker 2: was taking a little too seriously and a little too
Speaker 2: personally that it felt like the quality of the show
Speaker 2: at that time to me, like it was suffering.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: But I think all of that was just a punching
Speaker 2: bag for probably unprocessed emotions.
Speaker 1: Going again, we're giving everybody grace here, so you included Kevin.
Speaker 2: And I watching it, I was like, this episode is
Speaker 2: not nearly I mean, maybe my bar is also really
Speaker 2: low coming into this. But this episode is not nearly
Speaker 2: as like terrible, terribly offensive as I thought it was
Speaker 2: in my head. Agree, and it's like, no, we were
Speaker 2: just making this fun show. Yeah, it's not that serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the gas leak is a little far fresh,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 2: Whatever, it's not like we haven't done it before exactly,
Speaker 2: and we got.
Speaker 1: Some really good numbers, so we Blaine does You're My
Speaker 1: Best Friend by Queen Love this song. Blaine Darren did
Speaker 1: great in this number. It's very charming and very cute.
Speaker 1: After watching it, it's also really funny to have done
Speaker 1: the puppets and all the voices and like watching him
Speaker 1: shoot this like it felt crazy is he at the time?
Speaker 1: But like watching you're like this is adorable.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how we did the voices with
Speaker 2: the puppets, like how that worked?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do you remember doing that?
Speaker 1: Vaguely? I remember being there when he was shooting that scene, right,
Speaker 1: and we did the video as he was shooting it.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes. I think we were hiding behind like some
Speaker 2: of those speakers and things like the products, and we
Speaker 2: were next to the puppeteers and actually doing the voices
Speaker 2: in real time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a pre recorder.
Speaker 2: Which is really that was fun. That was like a
Speaker 2: fun thing to get to switch up and do that
Speaker 2: number is really great too, how it was shot and
Speaker 2: having so.
Speaker 1: Precious like you you're watching Sesame Street like a real
Speaker 1: music video. It was really cute. I really liked it.
Speaker 1: I thought he was great. For some reason, I conflated
Speaker 1: this number with don't stop me Now.
Speaker 2: I get that, yeah, you know, but.
Speaker 1: Again, maybe there's a guest leak in my house. And
Speaker 1: then Blaine is really kind of flying off the handles
Speaker 1: here throughout this whole episode, We're going to see more
Speaker 1: of that. But like he's just he's feeling I think
Speaker 1: at the root of this, Blaine is feeling underappreciated and underheard,
Speaker 1: and that's really the truth, and he's feeling hurt.
Speaker 2: It's a similar thing to like what Rachel Barry has done,
Speaker 2: is when they feel the most insecure, they get the loudest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Also, his ability to just make these very high level puppets.
Speaker 1: At the speed and which he did them is.
Speaker 2: And that the expertise is baffling. That is the craziest
Speaker 2: part of the episode. Honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point because he.
Speaker 2: Was pulling these out and then having like really strange
Speaker 2: conversations like the one with Tina, the one with Kurt,
Speaker 2: like these are really weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really weird. Well, so the one with Tina
Speaker 1: is funny because it's towards the end of the episode
Speaker 1: where he's kind of coming back into his own body
Speaker 1: and Tina kind of just shares with him that like
Speaker 1: he actually does deserve and he has earned his place
Speaker 1: to take some sumbrle of leadership, even though he apologizes
Speaker 1: to all of us for acting so kind of out
Speaker 1: of character, and we all, you know, decided and New
Speaker 1: Directions took a vote and decided that Blaine was going
Speaker 1: to get a solo. It's in sectionals wherever he wants
Speaker 1: to do the a cappella or whatever. I was laughing
Speaker 1: at that number because that scene because I remember, I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking, like a bad behavior gets rewarded, and there
Speaker 1: it is Blaine acting out and he gets a soul.
Speaker 1: There it is again. But he does apologize on the way,
Speaker 1: and he sends the puppets to New York and he
Speaker 1: makes all of us puppets and we do what what
Speaker 1: the Fox say, which we'll we'll get there. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Can't give it away too early. Okay, Okay, let's go Jake, because.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to Jake. Jake's fall from
Speaker 2: Grace is hard and.
Speaker 1: Fast, and it's all in this episode.
Speaker 2: But like he was mean last episode, he's mean this episode.
Speaker 2: And he's like apparently slept with every single cheerleader and
Speaker 2: breathe the cheerios. Yeah, it's so strange. He's a resident choreographer.
Speaker 2: It's like they're also making him work.
Speaker 1: He's acting out, he's acting a little angry. He's probably
Speaker 1: feeling like the aftermath of doing something wrong and probably
Speaker 1: feeling guilt and taking it out in the wrong or
Speaker 1: expressing himself.
Speaker 2: There's a lot, I mean, there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: this episode. It's everyone is expressing themselves incorrectly and lessons
Speaker 2: learned the thing we do get from this.
Speaker 1: Though, Oh gosh, that's okay.
Speaker 2: So he has a run in with Blaine, right, and
Speaker 2: Blaine and here talking about like the situation in the
Speaker 2: glee club, and he's like Blaine tells Jake, by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on in there in the
Speaker 2: choir room, but go sit in the back corner. Jake
Speaker 2: comes into the choir room and it's all fired up,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I'm not helping you. You all suck
Speaker 2: a dancing, especially you Tina. Why why and which I loved,
Speaker 2: And he has one of the greatest numbers in Glee
Speaker 2: her history, Like I knew around.
Speaker 1: I remembered it, and of course you like remember it
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, that was a big number for him.
Speaker 1: He's talked about it on the show before, like you know,
Speaker 1: he does nasty rhythmnation, but like to re visit that
Speaker 1: and relive it and to watch him do that, I
Speaker 1: didn't I even I appreciate that number so much, and
Speaker 1: I don't even think I appreciated as much as it
Speaker 1: deserves for sure.
Speaker 2: And also Paul mccrane, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It looks incredible. He looks incredible, he is dancing. Everybody
Speaker 1: looks incredible. It is so good. It is actually now
Speaker 1: i'm as I rewatched this. Hands down, one of the
Speaker 1: best numbers we've ever done on Glake.
Speaker 2: I mean, the level of cleanliness with the dancers has
Speaker 2: never been seen on Glee before. Honestly, it was.
Speaker 1: The black and white, the blackician.
Speaker 2: The editing, like everybody was like really going in on
Speaker 2: this number, and I couldn't believe it was in this episode.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. Yeah, I know exactly, and I was like,
Speaker 1: thank goodness with this number was in this episode. Really,
Speaker 1: this episode is just weird in general, but like really
Speaker 1: lifted this episode up to another level.
Speaker 2: I also didn't realize that I in my head it
Speaker 2: was just Rhythm Nation because I remember the black and
Speaker 2: white and like the Rhythm Nation set. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: it was Nasty and Rhythmation because he started going into
Speaker 2: Nasty and I'm like, wait, what is this the same?
Speaker 2: And then it goes into it and we're by the
Speaker 2: chain link fence and they're singing and it's.
Speaker 1: For some reason I don't remember shooting this.
Speaker 2: I do because that's what I remember. The only real
Speaker 2: part of this song we saw was that they were
Speaker 2: shooting that like all afternoon, Well, where were the back lot?
Speaker 1: How was the back lot? That's I thought we were
Speaker 1: on location. I was like, why don't I remember going there?
Speaker 2: No, So it was when you're on a back lot
Speaker 2: and you have all like the facades of New York.
Speaker 2: It was on New York Street, the where Rhythm Nation
Speaker 2: was shot. The black and white sack was inside of
Speaker 2: one of those fake buildings.
Speaker 1: God, and then we.
Speaker 2: Shot the chain link fence somewhere close by, like the
Speaker 2: backside of the blue sky on Paramount, right, So on
Speaker 2: the Paramount there is a gigantic, huge, fake blue sky
Speaker 2: and a water tank that is also a parking lot
Speaker 2: that they can use to you know, stimulate I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: stimulate the sea.
Speaker 1: And it's like the end of Truman Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on the backside of that is the back lot,
Speaker 2: which is all the fake New York stuff and that's.
Speaker 1: What it was.
Speaker 2: Just it was so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Sheer perfection. I truly like embedded in my mind. It's
Speaker 1: so impeccable. It's so impeccable from every every department, every talent, like.
Speaker 2: Shocking, oh so good. It was so they would like
Speaker 2: match cut back to the choir room and he's doing
Speaker 2: the same thing, and like the cheerios were unbelievable and
Speaker 2: those were not those were new cheerios.
Speaker 1: I don't know them, yes, no, we don't know them.
Speaker 2: And they were phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Jacob is so stupid, he's so good. Austin
Speaker 2: was walking by as I was watching it. He walked
Speaker 2: by once and saw the puppets. He's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: this episode. He kept walking and then you walk by
Speaker 2: again at the beginning of Nasty Rhythm Nation and just
Speaker 2: stood there like, oh my god. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is insane. He had never seen it and it
Speaker 2: was I mean, it's a real music video.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, for sure, it's it's the beast music
Speaker 1: video we've done on this.
Speaker 2: And I'd love to talk to Paul mccrane about that,
Speaker 2: because you know, more often than not directors coming to
Speaker 2: the show without having knowledge or experienced shooting musical numbers.
Speaker 2: This did not look like somebody who did not know
Speaker 2: how to shoot musical numbers, Like this was done at
Speaker 2: such a high level that this person understood it should.
Speaker 1: Have been like Paris Barclay. Yes, you know, this person
Speaker 1: knew how to he understood to dance right well. And
Speaker 1: then Jake actually ends up apologizing to Marley at the end,
Speaker 1: and uh, there was the pregnancy scare, which was was
Speaker 1: a scare, so thankfully Brie is not pregnant, and but
Speaker 1: he does apologize to Marley and says he misses her
Speaker 1: every day and he look and from his performance it
Speaker 1: seemed genuine to me that Jake was actually learning the
Speaker 1: ror of his ways. But Marley was like, too late,
Speaker 1: too little, too late, No, thank you, gotta go.
Speaker 2: So that's a song we should have done on Glee.
Speaker 1: Too little, too late.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also at McKinley, we have Sue and I. As much
Speaker 2: as a tyrant as Sue has been over the years,
Speaker 2: and as much as it reminds me of Trump being
Speaker 2: in power, Sue in a position of power, I do
Speaker 2: enjoy this storyline a bit because it does seem like
Speaker 2: she is trying, and you know when it gets to
Speaker 2: like Sue showing her softer side, and you have this
Speaker 2: thing where she's having the meeting with the superintendent and
Speaker 2: the superintendent has to go get drinks and mistakes her
Speaker 2: for a man. She gets really upset and she calls
Speaker 2: in the reserves. She talks to Becky, she talks to Will,
Speaker 2: she talks to Unique about how to embrace her femininity,
Speaker 2: and we get to see some really beautiful work from
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: The scene with Unique is hilarious, and this number with
Speaker 2: Will is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So cool again another musical video.
Speaker 2: Gigantic meat cool number.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: This is when people are saying, we don't know how
Speaker 2: you guys shot this show. I do not know how Paul.
Speaker 2: And then you have like the set design, the builders,
Speaker 2: like how are they doing all of this in one episode?
Speaker 2: It's a big episode for him, gigantic.
Speaker 1: Now we also have to talk about the the joy
Speaker 1: of seeing Sue back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the history.
Speaker 1: With the hair. Everybody else is just it's it's great.
Speaker 1: I loved the time jump. I loved her hair and
Speaker 1: then her just coming out into modern day sho syla. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was too good, very very good. The musical number
Speaker 1: that they do her and will do cheek to cheek
Speaker 1: is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Also black and white, but different, different.
Speaker 1: I love watching I always like watching them do musical
Speaker 1: numbers together.
Speaker 2: I do too, And like their voices fit the style
Speaker 2: of music so well.
Speaker 1: Yes, very much. And and Matt in like anything fred
Speaker 1: Astaire drugs. Yeah, Territory is like that's I think he's
Speaker 1: just so classical looking when he performs, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get him, get him dancing, get him in a
Speaker 2: tuts you know, totally.
Speaker 1: SU's going to get a makeover for Unique and then
Speaker 1: she's going to do the instruction with the school board
Speaker 1: she does get approved to be principle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did like the I love a moment
Speaker 2: like this in a show of figgins popping up and
Speaker 2: be like, gotcha, there's actually a gas leak and she's
Speaker 2: irresponsible and this has been affecting the whole school sort
Speaker 2: of you know, summarizing what happened in the episode. And
Speaker 2: then she's like, no, actually, I knew you wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to fix it because you're incompetent. And I fixed it,
Speaker 2: And you have a little flashback of her and there
Speaker 2: at nighttime. Also, this is the second time she's been
Speaker 2: at the school late at night, because the first time
Speaker 2: she confiscates Blaine's Kurt puppet takes it from him, and
Speaker 2: then Blaine is in there late at night stealing it back,
Speaker 2: and she's also there again and says maybe my favorite
Speaker 2: line in the entire episode. But she gets approved, and
Speaker 2: her outfit also.
Speaker 1: Is so wild.
Speaker 2: It's really I was like, what is I don't happening here?
Speaker 2: But she gets, you know, unanimously approved, and then she
Speaker 2: asks the superintendent out for drinks and he turns her down,
Speaker 2: and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: I always find it that I feel bad I shouldn't
Speaker 1: feel bad for Sue because she's so evil sometimes, but
Speaker 1: she's so undeniably good that you have to feel bad
Speaker 1: for her because she is human, Like Jane makes her
Speaker 1: so human that you're like, oh fine, I get it.
Speaker 1: When a woman of my stature needs to makeup, he
Speaker 1: shearings up all her best guys. But unfortunately Porcelain this attitude.
Speaker 1: Myself is in New York, so God must pad with
Speaker 1: this mistake. I turned to you, Jesus Christ. It's actually insane.
Speaker 2: I do like all the references. One of my favorite
Speaker 2: running jokes in this episode is how everybody keeps just
Speaker 2: popping over to New York every week.
Speaker 1: Well, right, so Kurt wants Blaine to come see Pamela
Speaker 1: Lansbury's debut performance at the club Callbacks, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I know you were just here, but like come, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Blaine can't go.
Speaker 2: Because he got caught stealing that puppet and he's in attention.
Speaker 2: I'll speaking the detention scene.
Speaker 1: I really loved, very very funny. What a weird group
Speaker 1: of misfits in the Yeah, but it was really it's
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, Yeah, I really really.
Speaker 2: Liked it, and I wish there was like a little
Speaker 2: bit more of that. Because this episode had such big
Speaker 2: set pieces in musical numbers, it was nice to sort
Speaker 2: of in the simplicity of like whatever that was, and
Speaker 2: it felt really grounded and real. And also Lauren Potter
Speaker 2: was on one this episode.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, the line she had like back to back episodes,
Speaker 1: just on one, she's she's it's coming up too, Like
Speaker 1: there's more like we're not getting rid of her just
Speaker 1: yet Blaine, So yeah, Blaine also doesn't make it too
Speaker 1: Kurt's debut, but nobody shows up to their performance.
Speaker 2: Did you have in your life, like whether it's in
Speaker 2: high school or college, because you went to college for
Speaker 2: musical theater, like situations like this, like were you faced
Speaker 2: with like, oh, there was a performance, nobody shows up,
Speaker 2: Like it's embarrassing, or like oh god, I can't believe
Speaker 2: we have to perform there because that's not cool, that's
Speaker 2: noting we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't really work like that. Everything was so
Speaker 1: insular in college that like students showed up, you had
Speaker 1: friends who showed up. Students showed up. We weren't really
Speaker 1: performing in outside venues except for the York Theater, which
Speaker 1: was like affiliated with it. But like people showed up
Speaker 1: like it wasn't. It wasn't really like that, And we
Speaker 1: also weren't like I don't know, maybe I just didn't
Speaker 1: create a cover band that like right, you know, was
Speaker 1: trying to do open mic nights. Yeah, that was not
Speaker 1: definitely you know what I mean, Like I wasn't her
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it wasn't. That wasn't really the case
Speaker 1: in musical theater schools because everything was so insular and
Speaker 1: everybody just like showing up whether they wanted to like
Speaker 1: hate on it or love it.
Speaker 2: So was there anybody in your school started a band?
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure, like you're already doing so much work,
Speaker 2: Like you guys were doing a billion shows a year, Like,
Speaker 2: how are you also doing a band? Right?
Speaker 1: I guess it's the people who were really not getting
Speaker 1: to utilize their like instruments for like things like like
Speaker 1: that you wanted to do music in stature or something
Speaker 1: like that, But now we were so busy, and musical
Speaker 1: theater was like such a focus that like we couldn't
Speaker 1: focus on anything else. I couldn't possibly do something more,
Speaker 1: you know, so serious. Everything was so serious kind of
Speaker 1: like nyata. But again, yeah, they have more time because
Speaker 1: time isn't real and that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's pissed off because they don't want to
Speaker 2: perform at the musical theater bar and like that's embarrassing,
Speaker 2: we can't do it. And I got to say Adam
Speaker 2: Lambert coming through with just being so reasonable and understanding
Speaker 2: and giving Kurt the space to figure out his leadership
Speaker 2: skills or lack thereof.
Speaker 1: Mmmmm. And they do do this great Madonna number. It
Speaker 1: happened so fast and I was like, whoa right?
Speaker 2: And I remember like, oh, this is the start of
Speaker 2: shoving Demi in the back, like not giving her something.
Speaker 2: She's playing an instrument, she's in the back, Like she
Speaker 2: needs to be out.
Speaker 1: There with everybody doing those rips, giving the song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we're not getting enough Demi, like you
Speaker 2: have Jammy Levado, the best voices of the generation on
Speaker 2: the show, use her.
Speaker 1: Greed or like don't just get get her out of there? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Do we know how much longer she's on because I
Speaker 2: feel like that wouldn't have lasted long.
Speaker 1: It doesn't last super long. She's off pretty soon because
Speaker 1: she's busy. And it's like if you're using her greate,
Speaker 1: if you're not She's got to go. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So they do the performance and luckily there's one The
Speaker 2: one man there shows somebody who runs the Williamsburg Music Hall,
Speaker 2: which is like a really cool the exact venue they
Speaker 2: want to be in. So like it all worked out.
Speaker 1: It works out, you know.
Speaker 2: Sam the producer was making the point of the fact
Speaker 2: that there is a piece of media that there is
Speaker 2: a band with Adam Lambert, Demilavado, Crisical for Anaya, Rivera
Speaker 2: and Leah is truly a dream and I feel like
Speaker 2: there's so much potential there. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: do it or explore it enough, but with all of
Speaker 2: them in a band, it's really and I don't think
Speaker 2: I think you have Demi back there like in the background,
Speaker 2: because you're like making it have to be a real
Speaker 2: band with like the live instruments and all that. I say,
Speaker 2: just like you didn't need all that. Go the way
Speaker 2: of like Abba, give no rules.
Speaker 1: Let them sing to a track, you know, open up
Speaker 1: her mouth, open that trap, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: let her blow because like she's hands down one of
Speaker 1: the best vocalists we've ever.
Speaker 2: You have so many incredible singers and a band together.
Speaker 2: What Leah, get them singing together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted more vocals.
Speaker 2: It's because the vocals we got were incredible.
Speaker 1: Obviously they were great, but like we could do more, put.
Speaker 2: Them all on every song. I don't know, I understand stand,
Speaker 2: like putting two of.
Speaker 1: Them on a song, agreed, get it, get it out there.
Speaker 2: Also, how do they just have all this money to
Speaker 2: be doing things? They have new outfits. Kurtson's a voucher.
Speaker 1: This is like Kevin, This is like when one section
Speaker 1: was couldn't afford the US for RDY, but we have
Speaker 1: massive Lady Gaga sets and costumes. It doesn't exist. It
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, only sus keeping track of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: Will wanted six hundred dollars for national costumes, but like
Speaker 1: we just did Katie Gaga with a full tar and
Speaker 1: rope when with the wheelchair attached, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I like so points out the expensive piece of that
Speaker 2: is the big like air bag attached to my wheelchair.
Speaker 2: But it was like, I'm sorry, what about every set
Speaker 2: piece in that or roar? They're the fake shrubs, the
Speaker 2: full plants.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's talk about what's the fox say? Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: the thing I remember the most about what the fox
Speaker 1: say is that you had to do those dingingings. No
Speaker 1: wonder you hated to do that number. That is the
Speaker 1: most annoying thing. I remember. Also the plants inside.
Speaker 2: Yes, you love a indoor plant.
Speaker 1: I've changed my ways. I've grown up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But at this time, in this year, up until this year,
Speaker 1: we've learned. Everybody learned that day on set there are
Speaker 1: all these plants on indoor plants on the stage to
Speaker 1: create the atmosphere. I hate plants inside. I hated them.
Speaker 1: I think there's bugs, there's dirt everywhere. It makes a mess.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't see the purpose of like the good
Speaker 1: oysgen and things that they do for you. And I
Speaker 1: didn't like a plant inside my house at the time.
Speaker 1: Changed my ways, but everybody was like very floored by
Speaker 1: this thing that like Jenna doesn't like.
Speaker 2: Plants, like hatred.
Speaker 1: I was so mad and we had to kneel behind them,
Speaker 1: and I was like dirty, like get out of what about?
Speaker 2: During the what about roar, we had plants.
Speaker 1: Not real plants I see, are real plants that they
Speaker 1: brought in from like a nursery or something. And it
Speaker 1: was a weird number. I'm not gonna lie like it
Speaker 1: was weird and after a much the whole episode, like
Speaker 1: the gas leak was weird, but the numbers weren't. And
Speaker 1: so this was a very It was a slight departure, and.
Speaker 2: It was like a reverse of what should have been happening.
Speaker 1: Right, because we had really nation in this episode, right,
Speaker 1: and then you have what the Fox are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like everyone's internal thoughts are exquisite, high taste,
Speaker 2: high production value.
Speaker 1: And there's us with puppets and duck noses ding ding
Speaker 1: ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: It's so weird.
Speaker 1: I you hated at this number.
Speaker 2: I didn't hate it as much as I thought I
Speaker 2: would watching it, and time and time again, I think
Speaker 2: Ryan is correct or some of the things the numbers
Speaker 2: and choices I was doubting at the time as a child.
Speaker 2: I'm watching now and I'm like, I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do get it, and like, why it's not so
Speaker 2: out of left field that we did this number?
Speaker 1: Not at all? It was also very popular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our turnaround was really quick, Like if a
Speaker 2: song became really popular, we could put it in the
Speaker 2: episode and it would be on the air in three weeks.
Speaker 2: That's so pretty quick. And so I think I think
Speaker 2: I was just like going through it.
Speaker 1: I think that again makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was fully projecting onto one. Also
Speaker 2: like I didn't like that song. It was like when
Speaker 2: we had to do Friday but who, Like I don't really,
Speaker 2: but it was like I don't. It feels so stupid
Speaker 2: to have to commit your time and energy to doing
Speaker 2: such like a stupid song. Yeah, I get it, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's also like that's the job, that's the gig, right,
Speaker 2: Like this is what we're doing. Not everybody gets to
Speaker 2: do the songs that we love all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also like the writers have a purpose for doing
Speaker 2: this and like just do it. Stop being a little
Speaker 2: we're not the writers. Yeah, And I was shocked by
Speaker 2: how like I thought it was funny. I thought it
Speaker 2: made sense. I do think Leah giving belting during what
Speaker 2: the Fox Say is so insane. I was like, this
Speaker 2: song is doesn't deserve this good vocal.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a little crazy, but let's do it. Let's
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it like we've done Turkey Lurky, like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, change changed woman.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Like if you and I are down for that,
Speaker 2: this isn't that far off. In a number of ways.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't I've been reformed. I think my
Speaker 2: mental breakdown and like me looking into the camera several
Speaker 2: times during this episode, because it felt like we were
Speaker 2: on a like I honestly felt like we had lost
Speaker 2: the plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I get it, and.
Speaker 2: Like what is the show? I don't recognize it anymore?
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. I don't think that's what
Speaker 2: was happening, right, I think I lost the plot and
Speaker 2: I couldn't recognize what we were doing anymore. I think
Speaker 2: that was just a me that's all right, and we
Speaker 2: were all just losing our minds a bit.
Speaker 1: And so I I think makes sense though why we
Speaker 1: have such weird, odd memories of this episode. And you
Speaker 1: could have just been having some emotional turmoil during this
Speaker 1: episode as well, that you know, producted onto what the
Speaker 1: the thing was? Like me with moving out? You know
Speaker 1: I was wrong?
Speaker 2: What is the next episode? Christmas?
Speaker 1: Previously anarchy?
Speaker 2: And so these were the this was the.
Speaker 1: Stretch where we borned.
Speaker 2: I really was like not nice, like the angry Kevin.
Speaker 2: This remember this is like Kevin two point zero as
Speaker 2: you guys would call me. Yes, I am I started
Speaker 2: to like speak up and speak out and was just
Speaker 2: I think I think it was misguided, you know. I
Speaker 2: think it was the long days. We were tired. I
Speaker 2: was really I remember the feeling of how tired I
Speaker 2: was frustrated. I was so frustrated.
Speaker 1: This was a I'm looking now ahead a little bit
Speaker 1: into the plot of previously on her Christmas, and I
Speaker 1: now remember where we were and we weren't well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just needed a break. I think
Speaker 2: maybe I just I don't think I had anything to
Speaker 2: do with the show, to be honest, I think maybe
Speaker 2: I was just there was a.
Speaker 1: Haze in front of our eyes at this point. I
Speaker 1: remember shooting like Mary's boy Child and doing like the
Speaker 1: Nativity scene and being like, where are we? We're in the.
Speaker 2: Twilight zone, isn't it. I just didn't expect this necessarily,
Speaker 2: Like it's so obvious of why, Like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: lose my mind the whole show until now, Like we
Speaker 2: had no shit.
Speaker 1: You can't be in a you can't be in like
Speaker 1: a spiral and like see the logical side of things, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's just not the way it goes, so like
Speaker 1: we can't be grieving and also know what's coming out
Speaker 1: of what's going to be on the other shode.
Speaker 2: You only have so much capacity, and like our capacity
Speaker 2: was fully taken showing up to do the job fintion
Speaker 2: hours and yeah shows all our energy.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 2: And so in hindsight it was like, oh, I wish
Speaker 2: you know. Unfortunately, Yeah, we have been through this several
Speaker 2: times now, and it's like you get better at recognizing
Speaker 2: what you need to deal with these things, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that we've seen the light and that
Speaker 1: we were able to understand this on a different level
Speaker 1: this time around.
Speaker 2: I think that's what happened, right, I think that's.
Speaker 1: Absolutely what happened. Then, is one and ten percent one happened?
Speaker 2: Because this episode is not that crazy?
Speaker 1: No it's not. And there's some really good talent and
Speaker 1: like performances.
Speaker 2: A lot of great musical it's not that bad. No, sorry, Ryan,
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 1: Yep, we were wrong. Uh, let's create the performances into
Speaker 1: the groove A Hey You're my best friend, A nasty red,
Speaker 1: the Nation A plus plus the high as it can go,
Speaker 1: cheek to cheek, A he the Fox, B I love this.
Speaker 1: That's not so bad. Okay, that's that's a very good average.
Speaker 1: It's an average. Let's do some tarty takes, so Auchi's Honestly,
Speaker 1: I have to say, like Sue says a lot of
Speaker 1: offensive things in this episode. So does Becky. But also
Speaker 1: Sue being mistaken for a dude in this episode, or
Speaker 1: like being one of the guys is a little bit
Speaker 1: also announce you for her and Brie.
Speaker 2: Brie in general.
Speaker 1: M No, wonder she's gone.
Speaker 2: I felt that through the screen. Damn, Jenna, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: Best dance move, are you kidding me? N yes, like
Speaker 2: honorable mention to Matt Morrison, of course, but Jacob Jacob
Speaker 2: and the entire dance team.
Speaker 1: Tears in my eyes. It's so good.
Speaker 2: There's this part of Rhythm Nation. They're on one of
Speaker 2: the I don't know what do you call it, like
Speaker 2: one of the levels, and they're in a straight line
Speaker 2: and then they go against the walls and they break
Speaker 2: out into a diagonal in quick succession, and it is
Speaker 2: so clear, it is beautiful. I gasped.
Speaker 1: I was like, I actually have teers in my eyes
Speaker 1: thinking about that number. I have to watch.
Speaker 2: It was so good.
Speaker 1: One of the best songs we'll ever during the series.
Speaker 1: The best performances, best song, Nasty Perms by prop.
Speaker 2: Oh, all the puppets, I mean, all those puppeteers are
Speaker 2: so talented. The people who made the puppets, I know
Speaker 2: they were so to be talented. It's such a gift
Speaker 2: and like a thing you don't get to be exposed
Speaker 2: to that often, like the behind the scenes of and
Speaker 2: to work with those people. That was really special.
Speaker 1: Yes, it really was. It was very cool. I wish
Speaker 1: we'd appreciated it more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry to anyone if you were there working and
Speaker 2: we weren't that nice or excited about it.
Speaker 1: You never know with us at that point.
Speaker 2: I I'm sure I was not at my finest. I
Speaker 2: know I was not, so shoot crap shoot Yeah. Best line,
Speaker 2: my favorite line of the entire episode when Blaine gets
Speaker 2: caught stealing the puppet again and Blaine goes, hey, current puppet,
Speaker 2: and so he goes, this is contraband. And if I
Speaker 2: catch you with your hand up the butt of anything
Speaker 2: that isn't human, you're in a world of trouble.
Speaker 1: But like brilliant.
Speaker 2: But if you did catch it, I don't anyway, it's brilliant. Also,
Speaker 2: that's sorry. That doesn't happen when he gets caught sneaking
Speaker 2: in right, that happens the first time he gets caught
Speaker 2: with the yeah.
Speaker 1: Performance MVP, I mean a singular performance shake up for
Speaker 1: rhythmation to an honorable mention. And I think Darren overall
Speaker 1: this this episode, he's you know, he's got a lot
Speaker 1: going on and has a full arc yeah with a
Speaker 1: puppet Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think you couldn't have picked a better person
Speaker 2: to have this stuff with the puppets than Darren. That
Speaker 2: is the exact person, my person, that's right, because he
Speaker 2: loved it. He was so happy doing it and like godspeed,
Speaker 2: he was the absolute right person. He was the perfect
Speaker 2: person for it. Okay, so before we go shit, we
Speaker 2: found on TikTok jen Nah, there was a trend going
Speaker 2: on on TikTok. I don't know if you saw it
Speaker 2: or you would have, like it was a lot of
Speaker 2: animals like filming this dog and be like dogs are stupid.
Speaker 2: I don't think people should have dogs anymore. And the
Speaker 2: camera would flip around and it would look like an
Speaker 2: accident and it'd be a cat on the other side
Speaker 2: of it, looking like it was filming the video.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, like okay, or dogs.
Speaker 2: Being like ugh, cats are so annoying. People should not
Speaker 2: own cats anymore. It's flip around the camera, flip around
Speaker 2: to be a dog, like, oh right, I got caught.
Speaker 2: So this one is by hopeless and forty five on TikTok.
Speaker 2: It says guys reading books is so outdated, we should
Speaker 2: just get rid of it. And then the care of
Speaker 2: camera fhlps around and it's a picture of it, like,
Speaker 2: oh shit. I was hesitant to put this one in there,
Speaker 2: but I think it's so funny. And obviously she can read.
Speaker 1: I cannot that I believe that this is shell. This
Speaker 1: lives on, like even though it's been debunked, and like
Speaker 1: everybody knows, like she can read, and she's like played
Speaker 1: into it as well. Like the fact that it still
Speaker 1: lives on is insane.
Speaker 2: And that's why I what I did for the record.
Speaker 2: I was hesitant to even.
Speaker 1: I hear you, But I think that's because I don't
Speaker 1: want to apperpetuate this. No, no, no, I don't think
Speaker 1: you are. I had a friend text me last night
Speaker 1: about it. Well, it's funny because I went on, is
Speaker 1: it making a research evering in? And they had asked
Speaker 1: about like some you know, tabloids and things, and like
Speaker 1: I talked about the lea, I can't read the kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and it was just so funny. It's such
Speaker 1: a funny thing. Everybody laughs at it now because we
Speaker 1: know it's not true and it's actually ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But I hope people know it's not true.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's still living on. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's ridiculous. Okay, Well that is the episode.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I didn't hate it. We did it.
Speaker 1: We did it, We did it, you got through it.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked, Jenna, I am shocked.
Speaker 1: I am shocked too. I'm actually sucked too. I was
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 2: Now. What I am scared about is previously on there
Speaker 2: at Christmas.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going in with eyes wide open. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going in knowing that this is a satire.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going in knowing that we were
Speaker 1: kind of losing our minds at this point, and I
Speaker 1: feel like we might. It's not that it's going to
Speaker 1: be not be wild and wildly inappropriate, because I remember
Speaker 1: it being wildly inappropriate, but the episode itself maybe not
Speaker 1: as as a whole as bad, but there were definitely
Speaker 1: wildly inappropriate moments and I was like, why are we
Speaker 1: shooting this?
Speaker 2: And speaking of satire, I think part of my spiral
Speaker 2: whatever was happening at the time, I thought the show
Speaker 2: was taking itself too seriously, and I have said that
Speaker 2: for years, like season five and six, we forgot we
Speaker 2: were satire and we started taking ourselves too seriously. I
Speaker 2: think that was wrong. I think I was taking it
Speaker 2: too seriously and I was forgetting that we were a
Speaker 2: satire and unable to recognize the satirical nature of some
Speaker 2: of what's going on.
Speaker 1: Fair enough.
Speaker 2: So I think that's on me M, and did not
Speaker 2: think I'd be having these oprah aha moments. But here
Speaker 2: we are. M. That's what it feels like, a revelation, Jenna,
Speaker 2: everything is.
Speaker 1: True for me. That okay, public Master, we did it.
Speaker 2: We did next Yes, everyone buckle up next week previously
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