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Speaker 1: Coll Zone Media. On February twenty seventh, twenty twelve, three

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Speaker 1: A dozen similar rallies organized by the same group that

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Speaker 1: national news with headlines like Occupy protesters clash with police

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Speaker 1: What's missing from the articles, though, is that the event

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Speaker 1: while he may have been speaking on behalf of something

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Speaker 1: at poorly attended rallies, she was a key player in

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Speaker 1: an international terrorist plot to disrupt South Africa's first post

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Speaker 1: apartheid elections. I'm Molly Conger, and this is weird.

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Speaker 2: Little guys, we have to talk about white genocide.

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Speaker 1: I'd really rather not, but that's just the way things are.

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Speaker 1: The most important thing you need to know about white

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Speaker 1: It's not just not happening. It isn't really a thing

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Speaker 1: that can happen. The white race is not dying out.

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Speaker 1: White people are not subject to a targeted campaign of

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Speaker 1: is an intense fear of a loss of white dominance.

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Speaker 1: For years now, on the homepage of The Daily Stormer,

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Speaker 1: It's an actual countdown clock to the moment the United

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Speaker 1: States will hit a demographic tipping point when the white

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Speaker 1: So mark your calendars. I guess they fear what they

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Speaker 1: It was David Lane, a member of the neo Nazi

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Speaker 1: encapsulates the fear, his fourteen words, we must secure the

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Speaker 1: David Lane wrote those words from his cell in federal prison.

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Speaker 1: That's the same fear. It originates in the same place,

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Speaker 1: They are being replaced. Their cultural hegemony is at risk.

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Speaker 1: When immigrants bring their languages, customs, and religions with them

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Speaker 1: And the example that bubbles to the surface more often

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Speaker 1: The very idea of the farm murders as some discrete

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Speaker 1: As a nation, South Africa has a higher rate of

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Speaker 1: In a country with nearly twenty thousand murders annually, there

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Speaker 1: The genocide myth is an iteration of long standing white

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Speaker 3: human rights violation at a minimum is happening for all

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Speaker 1: He made an almost identical post a week later, on

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Speaker 1: The egregious action he's referring to is the Expropriation Act

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Speaker 1: reacting to the text of that bill. He's reacting to

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Speaker 4: As president, I have asked Secretary of State Sect Bompao

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Speaker 4: to closely study the South African land and farm seizures and.

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Speaker 3: Expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. South African

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Speaker 3: government is now seizing land from white farmers at Tucker

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Speaker 1: The tweet was posted at ten thirty eight pm, less

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Speaker 5: We've got a holicit investigation for you tonight. The President

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Speaker 5: of South Africa, Siro Ramaposa, has begun and you may

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Speaker 5: have seen this in the press, seizing land from his

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Speaker 1: The majority of South Africans want to see land reform.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what Donald Trump has to do with

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Speaker 5: How do you have do?

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Speaker 7: South Africa is our land. South Africa belongs to all

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Speaker 1: Ramaposa has signed into law the Expropriation Act, which does

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Speaker 3: four to enable the Government of South Africa to seize

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Speaker 3: ethnic minority africaners agricultural property without compensation.

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Speaker 1: Putting aside the commentary about race, the Act says nothing

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Speaker 1: at all about race or ethnicity. The without compensation language

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Speaker 1: has been the focus of much of the negative coverage

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Speaker 1: of this act. I'm not an expert on South African politics,

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Speaker 1: or constitutional law in any country, or really even the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of eminent domain. But I did read

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Speaker 1: the Expropriation Act, and I'm not sure Trump did. It's

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Speaker 1: fifty two pages long, but each page is printed once

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Speaker 1: in English, followed by the same page in Afrikaans, so

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Speaker 1: I guess that makes it a twenty six page law.

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Speaker 1: Chapter five of the Act is called Compensation for expropriation,

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Speaker 1: and it discusses in detail how compensation is calculated and paid.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of boring bits about interest and mortgages

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Speaker 1: and taxes, but I want to talk about Chapter five,

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Speaker 1: Section twelve, and then skip on down to sub section three,

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Speaker 1: which begins it may be just and equitable for nil

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Speaker 1: compensation to be paid where land is expropriated in the

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Speaker 1: public interest, having regard to all the relevant circumstances, including

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Speaker 1: and the four conditions laid out there. For scenarios where

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Speaker 1: it may be appropriate to offer a landowner no compensation

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Speaker 1: are things like when the land is entirely unused because

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Speaker 1: the landowner's main purpose is not to develop the land

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Speaker 1: or use it to generate income, but instead to benefit

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Speaker 1: from appreciation of its market value. Or if the land

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Speaker 1: is currently owned by an organ of the state and

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Speaker 1: they're not using that land for its core functions and

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Speaker 1: they are unlikely to require it in the future, if

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Speaker 1: the owner has abandoned the land by failing to exercise

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Speaker 1: control over it despite being reasonably capable of doing so,

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Speaker 1: or if the present value of the land is less

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Speaker 1: than the amount of direct state subsidy in the acquisition

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Speaker 1: or improvement of the land. The furor being whipped up

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Speaker 1: about the law makes it sound like the South African

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Speaker 1: government has written a law that says white families will

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Speaker 1: be driven from their homes and stripped of all their possessions,

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Speaker 1: But the law says nothing at all about targeting any

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Speaker 1: particular group for expropriation, and the conditions under which someone

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Speaker 1: might be offered anything less than equitable compensation would necessarily

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Speaker 1: exclude land that anyone actually lived or worked on. The

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Speaker 1: goal of land reform at its core is to address

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Speaker 1: the wrongs of apartheid. The Native's Land Act of nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirteen prevented black people from buying land, setting aside just

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Speaker 1: seven percent of the country's land for use by black

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Speaker 1: South Africans. A later amendment expanded that to thirteen percent,

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Speaker 1: but the law itself wasn't repealed until nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 1: A land audit conducted by the South African government in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen reported that seventy two percent of all privately

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Speaker 1: owned agricultural land in South Africa was owned by white people,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that white people make up about seven

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Speaker 1: percent of the South African population. I couldn't actually find

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Speaker 1: any specific information about how much of that land had

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Speaker 1: changed hands over the years, but in a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: article in the African Journal on Conflict Resolution, doctor Adeoya

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Speaker 1: Achinola wrote, farm owners or farmers, are predominantly made up

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Speaker 1: of the white group, who in most cases inn inherited

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Speaker 1: the farms from their families. A prevailing narrative is that

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Speaker 1: in most cases these lands and farms had been forcifully

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Speaker 1: taken from black South Africans during colonialism and apartheid. It

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Speaker 1: may be said, therefore, that few white farmers had genuinely

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Speaker 1: bought the lands, particularly in opposed apartheid South Africa. This

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Speaker 1: isn't a wrong of the distant past. In nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: when apartheid was finally ended, the South African National Congress

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Speaker 1: announced an ambitious plan to return at least thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of the stolen land by twenty fourteen. By twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: though only an estimated ten percent of land had been

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Speaker 1: returned to indigenous people. The policies of the current government

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Speaker 1: won't lead to terrifying scenes of black soldiers forcing pretty

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Speaker 1: white mothers off their land at gunpoint, although that certainly

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Speaker 1: the image conjured in the white supremacist imagination. It's a slow,

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Speaker 1: boring process, involving petitions and judicial review. It's not a revolution,

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Speaker 1: but it is an important step in the ongoing process

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Speaker 1: of undoing apartheid. The President of the United States, it seems,

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Speaker 1: does not feel that way. His executive order not only

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Speaker 1: ends all foreign aid to South Africa, but it allows

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Speaker 1: quote africaners in South Africa who are victims of unjust

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Speaker 1: racial discrimination to be admitted and resettled in the United

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Speaker 1: States as refugees. So not only is he saying that

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Speaker 1: white South Africans are politically persecuted to such an extent

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Speaker 1: that they are refugees deserving special treatment, they are essentially

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Speaker 1: the only refugees in the world worthy of assistance by

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Speaker 1: the US government. Because he ordered an end to refugee

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Speaker 1: resettlement programs on his first day in office last month,

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Speaker 1: it probably doesn't help that the president is heavily influenced

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Speaker 1: by Elon Musk, a man with a long history of

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Speaker 1: spreading propaganda about white genocide in South Africa. In twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, he replied to a tweet from an account

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Speaker 1: called end Wokeness, writing, they are actually killing white farmers

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Speaker 1: every day. It's not just a threat. Musk was born

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Speaker 1: in South Africa under apartheid, and he emigrated to Canada

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine to avoid compulsory military service. The

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Speaker 1: South Africa, he knew, was one under apartheid, and in

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Speaker 1: addition to his frenetic posting about white genocide conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 1: He's also accused the South African government of having quote

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Speaker 1: hearings with the Independent Communications Authority in South Africa. His

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Speaker 1: plan to launch Starlink service in South Africa hit a roadblock.

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Speaker 1: The country requires life operating a national network or selling

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Speaker 1: internet services nationwide to be at least thirty percent black owned,

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Speaker 1: a requirement must claims is simply not possible. Trump has

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Speaker 1: yet to nominate a pick for South African Ambassador, but

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Speaker 1: the current front runner is rumored to be Breitbart Editor

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Speaker 1: in chief Joel Pollock. I considered cutting a clip from

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Speaker 1: an interview Pollock gave a South African TV news program

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Speaker 1: the other day, but the man has all the charisma

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Speaker 1: of a wet rag. But the idea of the Breitbart

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Speaker 1: editor becoming the South African Ambassador did remind me of

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Speaker 1: another video. Back in twenty eighteen, amidst all that ongoing

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Speaker 1: public interest in Australian tabloid coverage of anti white violence

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Speaker 1: in South Africa, Breitbart News held a town hall event

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. The topic of the event was something else,

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Speaker 1: big tech and speech. But during the Q and A

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Speaker 1: session and Coulter came out strong in support of white

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Speaker 1: genocide conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 8: But I mean, we are seeing a genocide, they are,

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Speaker 8: and if we're going to take any refugees, it seems

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Speaker 8: to me it ought to be, particularly these white farmers

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Speaker 8: who are being chosen and killed in really horrible ways.

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Speaker 8: And you can find it by doing a Google search.

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Speaker 8: But you can find these web pages. It's not They're

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Speaker 8: not just going in and shooting them point blank. They're

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Speaker 8: really disgusting and boiling people's death, just really sick, sick tortures.

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Speaker 1: Her answer was in response to a question from an

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Speaker 1: unnamed audience member, just a random guy at a town hall,

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Speaker 1: but I recognize that voice.

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Speaker 6: This question is for miss Culter.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think the mainstream media has been is

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Speaker 3: on the genocide of white farmers in South Africa? And

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Speaker 3: why does social media center post about the issue, And

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Speaker 3: how can we draw attention to these wild.

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Speaker 8: I am so glad you asked that question.

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Speaker 1: That's Patrick Casey back in twenty eighteen. He was the

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Speaker 1: leader of the white supremacist group Identity Europa. The person

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Speaker 1: injecting white genocide talking points into this Breitbart event in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen was the head of a white supremacist organization,

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Speaker 1: and not just any white supremacist organization. Identity Europa was

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Speaker 1: a primary organizer of the United the Right rally in

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Speaker 1: Charlottesville in twenty seventeen. It was Identity Europa members who

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Speaker 1: started the chance of you will Not Replace Us as

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Speaker 1: they marched through the University of Virginia with their torches.

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Speaker 1: But remarkably, Ann Coulter took the ball and ran with it,

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Speaker 1: and she demonstrated that she was deeply immersed in this

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Speaker 1: same racist worldview. She had these talking points ready to go,

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Speaker 1: and you might be asking at this point, Mollie, what

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Speaker 1: does any of this have to do with a few

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Speaker 1: dozen skinheads getting pelted with rocks and Sacramento in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: Those rallies against white genocide back in twenty twelve were

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Speaker 1: poorly attended and barely reported on. The idea behind this

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Speaker 1: organizing strategy was pretty similar to the twenty seventeen March

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Speaker 1: against Sharia rallies I talked about a few episodes ago,

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Speaker 1: a nationwide series of public protests designed to give the

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Speaker 1: appearance of widespread public support for a pretty unpopular racist idea.

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Speaker 1: But when Act for America pulled that stunt in twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: They were able to attract some mainstream Republican attendees, and

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Speaker 1: more importantly, they had access to the legitimizing force of

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Speaker 1: the right wing media ecosystem. Act for America issued their

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Speaker 1: press releases directly to Breitbart, and their CEO was able

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Speaker 1: to publish her own write ups on the events on

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Speaker 1: their site. They didn't have to wait for the idea

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Speaker 1: to make its way through the human centipede of right

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Speaker 1: wing media, slowly laundering fascist ideas through intermediaries and conning

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Speaker 1: journalists into picking it up. The group that put on

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Speaker 1: those rallies against white genocide in twenty twelve didn't have

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Speaker 1: that kind of access. The South Africa Project was very

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Speaker 1: obviously a front for the Aryan Nations Chapter in Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: They were having trouble forcing their way into the conversation

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Speaker 1: and attracting any normal people to their events, But the

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Speaker 1: very same idea, presented in almost exactly the same way

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Speaker 1: by a man in a suit, made its way directly

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Speaker 1: into the White House just a few years later. The

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Speaker 1: message hadn't changed, the motivation behind it remains the same.

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Speaker 1: The myth of the South African Farm murder exists to

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Speaker 1: stoke white anxiety. For African internationalists, it's a desire to

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Speaker 1: return to apartheid. For the American audience they sell it to,

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Speaker 1: it's a longing to roll back civil rights and integration.

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Speaker 1: It may be dressed up as foreign policy, but it's

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Speaker 1: no different from the message on those flyers printed out

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Speaker 1: by Aryan Nations members. It just took the right messenger

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Speaker 1: to get on Tucker Carlson for the President to hear it.

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Speaker 1: I did set out to just write a story about

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Speaker 1: those rallies and the people involved in them, but current

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Speaker 1: events keep getting in my way. I never really know

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Speaker 1: where a story is going to take me until I

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Speaker 1: have forty or fifty browser tabs open and a dozen

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Speaker 1: pages of notes that don't really make any sense. But

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Speaker 1: this one took a hard right turn. Early on, I

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Speaker 1: thought for sure that the star of the story of

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Speaker 1: these white genocide rallies would be Billy Roper. It seemed

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Speaker 1: like such an interesting coincidence that in both of these

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Speaker 1: tales of fake grassroots rallies for racist causes, there's Billy

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Speaker 1: stepping up to the plate to hold an event in Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: But when I started probing a little deeper into the

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Speaker 1: woman behind the South Africa Project. I made an alarming discovery.

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Speaker 1: Before Monica Stone moved to a small town in Louisiana

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Speaker 1: to marry an American clansman, she lived in South Africa,

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Speaker 1: and she had a different name. And it's a name

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Speaker 1: that I found in some very strange places, like the

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Speaker 1: memoir of a British Man seeking redemption for his years

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Speaker 1: in a violent fascist movement, or deep within the text

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Speaker 1: of the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission report. But

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Speaker 1: you'll have to wait until next week to hear an

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Speaker 1: almost unbelievable tale of international gun smuggling, bombings and shootouts

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Speaker 1: that failed to prevent the end of apartheid. Weird Little

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